>Talk to friends who played retail wow and are currently playing OSRS>They have like 8000 hours clocked into OSRS at this point>they haven't played classic>Trying explain to them why I don't like retail and prefer classic wow>All the while they are trying convince me to play OSRS>Sarcastically suggested that they should allow new players to skip the combat skill grind and give them easy access to good gear so I can experience current content immediately>"that would ruin the game">as I watch them them play I suggest more retail wow like changes to OSRS>They laugh and say thats even worseI think I got my point across to them but I also think I've cracked the code. I think someone once called it convenience misery, all the qol changes and constant resets, every expansion(now season) has taken away more from wow then it added, you don't build your character up anymore before you can take on some new content, death is punishless, travel is trivial. Theres nothing to really overcome, you just log in to do mythics as if the game were a solo que live service game.I think classic + (if it exists) needs to take a page out of OSRS's book and allow you to constantly build up your character.
OSRS players are bots. No saving their destroyed minds
retail players are not human
>>744576518Runescape and WoW are not the same game, retard. What ruins Runescape doesn't necessarily ruin another MMO.
>>744576518WoW in general is cancer.It taught me that MMO addicts are literal narcs.I was actually there, hyped as fuck for WoW when I saw the pre-release trailers on the WC3's bonus disc, back in the early 2000s.Then the game came out. 2 week free trial was all you got as a poorfag. I roamed around for a few hours. Realized that the worlds was DEAD and STATIC, none of that cool shit shown in trailers, no world interaction whatsoever. Just skinnerbox traps after another.I just let the trial rot in the background the next two weeks, and then deleted the game.I still laugh whenever some scam email claims that my Blizzard account has been "Hacked".
Wish they would just tell us what their Classis + is going to look like so I can decide to drop it.
>>744576518Ah yes, nothing like spending irl years to grind firemaking from 48 to 49.
>>744576838it's only fun if you're raiding with friends, everything else is boring af and designed to waste as much of your time as possible
Runescape is the most boring pile of shit I can imagine and I fucking hate that like 4 of my friends play it for 6+ hours a day
generals belong on /vg/
>>744576570>>744577168>>744577395I can't lie I do wonder why they are so hooked on it, you have to pay a subscription to play it and it looks like a step down from many other choices, they tell me they treat it like an idle game but they need to click on something every 10 minutes to avoid bot D/C's or whatever. They bought Tablets and everything to play the game on the go and all that its a bizarre obsession.
>>744576838It is incredibly boring yes. It's nice to see that being called out for once.
>>744577847I dunno mate maybe try actually playing the game, osrs mogs wow
>>744577259everything is fun with friends. raids are glorified gacha pulls. the art direction is great and the game feels good to play, but a monthly sub to support the loser faggots and dykes that make up blizzard nowadays to experience that bot infested mess is a scam
>>744577847If you play runescape there is always something to do.
>>744576518Explain why you prefer classic wow. Your average classic wow player fucking hates classic wow so much they just pay bots or other people to play it for them.
>>744576518>OSRSStopped reading there. Don't care about autism victims who think grinding to 99 is all the matters. Same mental illness as parse players.
>>744578597I like the feeling of progression and accomplishment in doing things, even unlocking flight paths feels rewarding in classic. I also don't really like rotations, I think they are a farce made to complicate a simple matter, it should take 12 keys to simply attack and I don't like spreading my actual utility to the far corners of my keyboard because of it.
>classic plus>OMG WE NEED NEW ZONES AND NEW CLASSES AND NEW RACES ANDmeanwhile, I just want to see the unfinished / underutilized content in vanilla fleshed out and finished, instead of just copypasting a bunch of retail shit into vanilla and calling it a day (read: SoD)
>>744576518i like osrs but only for skilling, it feels good to make my character more capable in specific elements to the fantasy i want to play out
>>744576518You are all retarded trannies
>>744578657Most people don’t go for 99 though
>>744576518wow players are niggers but i must admit, i don't know the secret to making classic + outside making more 1-60 zones, raids, dungeons ,races and classes but someone keeping it all contained to 1-60
>>744577168It takes about 40-55 hours depending on how autistic you are to max out firemaking. 48 to 49 probably takes 10 minutes or so
>>744576838Correct, and it's why I despise classicfags. There are things WoW does well, but the world is not one of them unless all you give a shit about is size.
Come home
>>744580794Only if they ever make SF the default ruleset (never).
>>744580794Perhaps the gayest tranny shit ever invented
>>744578597Not him, but the biggest thing is that classic is an actual mmo. The world is filled with people you interact with, and by interaction I don't mean just talking to people, I mean all kinds of interaction. Run into a gathering node at the same time as someone else? Interaction. Going for a quest mob at the same time as someone else? Interaction. WPvP? Interaction. You run into all sorts of conflict in the world, which can be resolved cooperatively or competitively. This makes the world feel alive, as you're not simply interacting with the game but also with other players. An important part here, however, is the size of the server. The larger the server, the more this effect is diminished. When the people you run into are always complete strangers, you start to naturally treat them differently, as if they were bots essentially. It's very important that you repeatedly run into the same people in order for connections to form, and this is only possible if the server is small enough. These connections are what form a community. Server communities were much more common back in vanilla. The server I played on in classic was fairly moderately sized and managed to form an actual community, but I imagine the megaservers were less successful when it came to that. SoD had no community to speak of in my experience.Much of the inconveniences in classic help with this task. Having to manually look for people to a dungeon, having to run there yourself, etc are inconveniences that work as a glue. You can't just votekick someone and have another dude teleport in, for example. In addition, the very act of having to talk even a bit to create and join groups work as a form of an ice breaker, making it easier to create social connections. Almost at the character limit so I'll stop here even though there's a bunch more I could say about just this particular topic. And I didn't even go into actual gameplay elements I like about classic.
>>744576518classic sucks it's filled with giga losers who failed at original vanilla so now they play "classic" with butchered weirdo tier patches and minor retail implementations and all act like they're good players while every single one of them RMT, get boosted, bot, and take "meta to the max" on 20+ year old garbage content while uploading to shitty websites trying to show off the best dps.osrs sucks also
Classic+ will be a resounding piece of shit.It will be an amalgamation of Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, and Cata rather than a true continuation of the Vanilla ethos and philosophy. You can see this pretty clearly on the Classic+ survey website. People literally desire Mythic+ in Classic+. They want the removal of 40-man raids. They want Arenas.Modern cattle simply will not allow a good MMO to be produced. The people 20-30 years ago who made the early MMOs great were like 95% affluent white men.
>>744581092Other people don't make game worlds feel alive. Reactivity makes game worlds feel alive.
>>744579952I wouldn't mind implementing underused ideas, as well.Take Gilneas - unique aesthetics, thousands of unique assets, its own musical pieces, great landscape - and all of it used for a short instance.Classic+ could take places like that and polish them into fully-fleshed out zones. Imagine Gilneas or Kul-Tiras as alternative human starting areas with their own stories.
>>744581282& it will be filled with rampant RMT, rampant botting, and rampant losers boosting other losers just like retail and classic.and god forbid if all the losers pull some side hustle like in SoD with paying for 10 accounts and setting up a warlock "summoning" service so people don't have to god forbid play the actual game and travel around the world.
>>744579593Feeling accomplished because you ran to the flight master is brain damageYou've accomplished nothing
>>744581659ok make it to every flight master while staying lvl 1 see if you can do it
>>744581435>waste a bunch of time on another 0-10 zone you see once then leave while you spend 99% of your playtime at capBrilliant idea retard
>>744576838it was proto friend slop
>>744581559Yeah, exactly. The modern playerbase is just completely irredeemable.You'll probably find more of the old player base on actual choice private servers that are free than anything you have to pay Blizzard to access.
>>744581764Who said it would have to be 0-10, you cretin? Gilneas is large enough to easily be 0-20 + you'd have Gilneas City itself. Use the sewers as an extra dungeon. Be creative.
>>744581732This is literally like trying to flex cookie clicker, you understand that right?You can corpse run anywhere in the map very easily, it just takes time. Theres no accomplishment in wasting 15 hours corpse running, any retard (read as classic player) can do that, they just dont because people have better things to do than corpse run vanilla wow
>>744581764This is why EQ > WoWI always liked how EQ made the vanilla game all interconnected with content so high lvls constantly intermingled with low lvls which gave higher lvl players a natural incentive to buff lower lvl players and act like guardians as they pass through or hunt for monsters roaming that were their own level.
>>744581801Yep it was turtle WoW and blizzard knew it was a massive threat to whatever pile of garbage they plan to shit out so they shut them down, can't have popular servers with good ideas and actual GM enforcement exist while nu blizzard is still around.
>>744581857honestly if someone can play cookie clicker for 10k hours straight that's more impressive than anything you can do in WoW
>>744581843>actually it will be a zone you leave after 10 hours not 2Do you have genuine brain damage? The point is the content has no lifespan either way
>>744576518I'm done, man. WoW has been a whirlwind of dogshit expansions and design decisions and version carve outs.And Blizzard is aggressively shutting down private servers again.This IP is so fucking unhinged and bipolar that I can't keep dealing with it. It's cancerous and needs to die.
>>744582010Very impressive to lobotomize yourself
>>744578258>everything is fun with friends>raids are glorified gacha pullsme>have two or three friends addicted to wow classic>all seperate guilds, no interaction with eachother>they routinely talk about how they hate guild leadership and everybody they end up paired with in raids>regularly turn down offers to get together in favor of a scheduled raid>they have not played another game for several years nowi miss playing video games with my friends
>>744582020You're right, let's make another 15h raid that 5% of the playerbase will ever touch.
>>744582234Yes, raids have a much longer lifespan than questslop>5%Anyone not raiding is legitimately not playing the game and shouldn't be considered
>>744578258>everything is fun with friends.No.
>>744582546Thanks for proving you're a complete moron.
>>744581732I sort of did that in order to create the longest flight path possible.
>>744576518OSRS is escapist daycare for people with profound mental health issues who need to be permanently distracted from reality by a skinner box that periodically increments a number
>>744582082true true true
>>744582684flightpathGAWD...i kneel
>>744582010OSRS confirmed more challenging than WoW?
>>744578258WoW’s combat hasn’t felt good in years. None of the abilities have any weight and rotations are full of dogshit filler abilities to make sure you’re always pressing something. The combat ironically felt better when you had only a few buttons to press
>>744577847it's just nostalgia that degenerated into mental illness
I think Ion summarized it well enough in some random interview I saw:MMOs were the most fun in the early internet era when at most you had something like thottbot or could ask in a forum/wait for a printed magazine when you had problems with something.Nowadays everyone is online 24/7, everyone has damage logs and millions of guides how to min-max every tiny single thing regarding your character or world. There is no more mystery. There are are no surprises. Everything has been figured out even before it has officially been released.Situations like attacks on crossroads or Southshore/TM were organic, you can't recreate that, even with instanced or non-instanced events by blizzard.I've never played any of the private servers, only vanilla so I can't speak about how the people there experienced WoW and if it has been as "magical" for them.I think ultimately there is no going back and no grand idea is going to bring the old times back so the only option is to simply let go.
>>744584364true. I was talking exclusively about classic. retail is such a piece of shit it's actually unbelievable; they even managed to completely ruin the art, too
>>744576518>Video title: IS CLASSIC + RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER?!?!?!>Video content: So, uh, there's absolutely zero news, zero new hints regarding a possible classic +, but, uh, anyway, I decided to make another video about it because, uh, those make a lot of clicks, so, uh, here is, uh, once again what I would WANT from a Classic+, which, uh I've already talked about at, uh, length in my last 7 videos because, uh, once again, uh, there's nothing else to talk about because Blizzard has never announced such a thing, but, uh, I guess I could talk about season of discovery again or something, uh, that should let me pad the video's runtime a little more
>>744586184Ion is a retard and a lot of those issues are very specific to just WoW and FFXIV which also happen to be the most retard tier mmorpgs filled with mentally ill low value men (aka trannys) and losers.
>>744576518Yes, retail WoW is basically an ARPG at this point. You can easily play it in bite sized sessions. The world itself has no meaning, when it should be the main character. In OSRS the world is very important, you don't just sit in a main city waiting to find players for some dungeon/raid/bg etc.However there is one major issue in making Classic+ like OSRS. There's nothing to do except kill things in WoW. That would mean a total overhaul of professions to become like OSRS, and you have to be able to learn them all. Also that would mean reworking a lot of the zones, because another good point about OSRS is that you can be a skiller in OSRS. Hard to mine thorium or something on a low level character, then there's mount speeds etc and about a million other thingsIt's a big fucking ask, and best we can hope for is something like Turtle honestly. But it's going to be shit because we've been spoiled by Classic+ private servers, and Blizzard can't deliver anything comparable, which is why they're taking down all the private WoW servers
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OP is brown for shilling wow classic but ignoring that I can say they ruined OSRS long ago and it's unbelievable that it just gains players.The oldschool runescape fan is no longer the target audience and doesn't exist in OSRS.
