>I shouldn’t have to put in any effort of face any challenge in the game because thats for tryhards!>also I still want to win and beat people online Explain this mentality.
Winning is funI want to have funtryharding isn't funI dont want to not have funlosing isn't funi don't want to lose.
>>744578921>I'm mentally ill
>>744578840Entitlement from the biggest losers
>>744578921and your type are always the dogshit weak-link that make every game 5x harder
>losing isn't funLosing can be fun, the thing is it shouldn't happen too often and there shouldn't be some idiot trolling or yelling like a moron.
toxicfags > compfagsdwibesides, compfags are very toxic themselves, but in their own whiny, hallway monitor kind of way.
>>744578921>doesn’t want to lose>can only beat bad playersSkil based matchmaking solves this>BUT I don’t want to KNOW I’m bad!Most games have a noob handicap character or strategy to play, but that requires learning the basic meta at least
>>744578840>Implying Rather bad than mad :^)
toxicfags>kekeke im gonna build turrets underground, after all, if valve didn't want people to do this why'd they put it in the gamecompfags>WAAAAAH THIS WEAPON DOES 1 POINT OF DAMAGE TOO MUCH, I'M GONNA MAKE A 2 HOUR YOUTUBE ESE ABOUT IT
Some things just don't change.
>he plays "competitively" with childrens toys
>>744578921play offline against bots, kiddo.
It's easily solvable by separating ranked and unranked (free to join and leave mid session).
>>744578840There's a subset of gamers that just want to get home from work and relax, while not feeling left out from the gaming scene, these typically are also dads and will actively make every game shit since they want games to have low mechanical depth and progression systems that consist of 30 minutes of dailies. Devs should not listen to them and communities should make fun of them.
>>744578921if you want you win, you tryhard. simple as
>>744579176>Skil based matchmaking solves thisYea I agree no idea why people are seething so hard at my post, this problem was solved years ago when devs realized this is how players felt.
Paradise is 24/7 2fort on one of the pre-Hat Simulator builds.
>>744578921This also explains how /v/ approaches women
>>744578840there's a healthy balance between enjoying competition and being forced to invest unreasonable time and effort to be able to play a game without getting permakilledoverwatch quickplay is an example of this
>>744579890Unranked just means you face the top tier players who want to pubstomp and practice by clowning on youRanked means you face people who are your rank (aka other shitters)
>>744579176The problem isn't SBMM-it's TABMM(Tel Aviv-Based Match Making) instead of trying to match people of equal skill they rig MM to optimise engagement and playtime. CoD and OW are notorious for this
>>744578840>I shouldn’t have to put in any effort of face any challenge in the game because thats for tryhards!>also I still want to win and beat people onlineThis is why I love games with 1v1 ranked matchmaking because I can just instant surrender the next match every time I win one, and keep my rating artificially low to farm noobs. It's like playing vs AI, except there's more variety and it's more fun because I'm probably ruining the day of a kid who just started playing.
>>744581032This is only relevant for midranks If you drop your rank enough you can see some wild shitSame at the top ranks
>>744581085>If you drop your rank enough you can see some wild shitSmurfs, 12 year olds, biological women, literally handicapped people, trolls, 50 year olds, /v/tard screeching about everyone else, VGH the beauty of Bronze
>>744578840Because games that only carter to tryhards don't last.
>>744581052I unironically do this in RTS games mostly because I can do wonky shit with noobs.I had a 2h AoE2 game against a guy who was utterly mortified and giga-walled so I started to RP with him in chat while moving my army around to destroy a building or kill some units before retreating.
>>744581281Name 1 game that caters to scrubs which lasted.
I want to play with other people who haven't been researching the game online all day, because they make it not fun.
>>744578840I want to face other people of my skill level, simple as.
>>744579618Bait, but why does this perspective even exist on this board? This is fundamentally a section of the website to discuss video games. Why are you disparaging video games, while also being here?
>>744581395Try going back in time 20 years
>>744581378League of LegendsFortnite
>>744578840>I like winning and at the same time dislike making an effortThis is the mentality most people you will ever meet IRL haveAre you new on planet Earth?
>>744581378>>744581585Overwatch 1Marvel Rivals
>>744578840"competitive" players outside of the top ranks are usually really badthe type to immediately blame something or someone else instead of going into a game with a growth mindset
>>744581603When the boomers were making fun of millenials and participation trophies we should have listenedEntitled children masquerading as adults have ruined everything, personal responsibility is dead and yout failures are everyone else's fault but yours
>>744581378Marvel RivalsStreet Fighter 6
>>744581695participation trophies started around gen z and beyond thomillennials have been complaining about participation trophies for a good while now lol
>>744581791classic millenial blaming others for his retarded generation of thin skinned faggots
>>744581695or stop showing up to a casual game of monopoly with all of your "strats" like a massive asshole.
>>744581695My mother is like this and she's 60
>>744581859>butthurt zoomer or worse still crying about millennialsretardation... retardation never changes
>>744578840>I shouldn’t have to put in any effort of face any challenge in the game because thats for tryhards!>also I still want to win and beat people onlineadd:>I come from a culture that has zero issues with cheating, in fact it praises people for getting ahead no matter how they do itAnd that's why I don't play any server that allows people from Asia (minus Japan) or South America to connect.
>>744582004>No u!Millenial literally only has one response, you're all souless zoggolems
>>744578921When you win the game is over and there is no more fun.If you're just playing to win the normal way that's fine, it's when you start being a sweaty meta-faggot that it becomes mental illness and destructive to the game.When meta-sweats start to infest a game they push out the rest of the playerbase who are just trying to play the way they want instead of some cookie-cutter meta build, which would marginalize the playerbase into all playing identically, which isn't fun at all. Additionally, the Fun-Players eventually quit the game because they are tired of losing to meta-sweats, which then causes the games playerbase to dwindle. Eventually all that is left is the meta-sweats who then also quit because they are mentally ill faggots who just wanted to stomp some casuals, so when they are met with nothing but people playing the way they do, they realize it's not fun to play against, so they quit too, inevitably leading to the game of the multiplayer scene for that game, if not the game entirely.Bottom line, Sweaty Meta Gamers are Parasites that kill games and should be hunted down and driven out.
>>744582065>buzzword retort>admits to itlol retard
>>744581695>Entitled children masquerading as adults have ruined everythingso boomers?
>>744582096All cope from a shitter btw. Kill yourself or go back to /tv/ and watch movies or something because videogames are not for you
>>744582096thank you>NOOOOO! YOU HAVE TO PLAY IT RIGHT! ABOOBOOOBOOOOOO
>>744579176>Skil based matchmaking solves thisNo it doesn't. In order to give him games where he can't lose the MM system would have to be giving other people games where they can't win. If you're not going to secretly match people against bots there is no way to solve the conundrum of retards who want to play online but never want to loseThis is the primary complaint against SBMM by grifting content creators, giving them fair matches causes them to lose which makes them look worse on streams and videos. These people only want to play games where they get to beat up new players
>>744581651At least Plat level demolishes casual players in comp gamesMost casual gamers, even the good ones, would be placed Silver~Gold at best
>>744582206I didn't read past cope. Sorry to ruin your day.
I've hit the top 2% ladder of every game I've bothered to spend more than a few dozen hours in.Metagaming is fun. Playing against competent people is fun. Improving your skills is fun.
>>744581281That game doesnt even cater to hardcore players its just fucking bad.>but the marketers saidRetard
>>744578840>>also I still want to win and beat people onlineno one actually says thiseveryone who plays for fun doesn't care about winningthey're more annoyed by the fact that you start crying or being a douche when faced with themyou just think they're asking for a free pass to win because that's what you're obsessed with
>>744578840Honestly if you still play competitive multiplayer games in the big '26 you're a fucking moron.
>>744578840>just play the game good>"fucking sweaty tryhard!"
>>744578840Having fun > Winning
>>744578840I will never understand this ass backwards mindset that the people who just wanna chill and enjoy their game of choice are somehow the issue, and not the degenerate tryhards that play the game for 25 hours a day and boil it down to the absolute most optimal strategy / meta / gimmick to win 100% of the time. Compfags have always been a plague upon gaming, and I'm tired of pretending they aren't. They ruin every game they get their grubby little hands on.
>>744582701If you’re just enjoying the game why do you care about winning or other people being good or not?
>>744583309>if you're just trying to play a casual game of pool with your friends, why to you care that i walked in and hit you in the face with a que? Dude, it's the "optimal strategy!"
>>744583309I don't want to lose every single match for all eternity because I'm not running the meta like everyone else. I just want to chill and relax without being punished with a kick to my throat for not sweating my balls off like everyone else does every match, forever. It's not fun.And then you'll just say git gud or something, completely oblivious to how retarded you sound, yada yada, this is why games need a separation between casuals and tryhards.
>>744578840people who want to play cozy games but aren't honest with themselves
>>744583784Tryhards will also infest "cosy games".
That's not what's actually happening though and you know it
>>744583516SBMM is good if you want to try off-meta because they'll match you with someone worse than you so you won't get demolishedAnti-SBMM is cope and the reason /v/ hates SBMM so much is because this board is a tranny-tier hugbox
>>744583948Most retarded post ITT. SBMM doesn't work because you have ultra sweaty faggots intentionally throwing games so that they can stomp newfags over and over. A really good example of this is Dead by Daylight, as a lot of it's content creators have been shown doing this exact thing as Survivors so that they can record themselves bullying fresh install Killer players.
>>744584053>SBMM "doesn't work" because sometimes a small percentage of people will go to great lengths to get matches against newfags>Instead we should continue with the system where everyone gets to stomp newfags whenever they like with no effort
>>744584380>Hmm this current system doesn't work because people are able to stomp newfags>Let's use a different system that still allows people to stomp newfagsThe mindset of people that think compfags aren't a problem, everyone. Take it in, witness the purest form of retardation.
>>744584587>We cannot accept a system where even one migrant suffers!
>>744584782Just like how we can't dare make the heckin wholesome tryhards fuck off from even one multiplayer game, right? /v/, never failing to prove that they're the most braindead board, even moreso than /s4s/.
>>744584869Which system are you suggesting achieves that
>>744578840Undiagnosed, but pretty sure: Give a game with a playstyle that is juggling five hundred things a second and I will put in every effort I can to make sure our team wins. These are unfortunately rare these days so I dont play much multiplayer.
>try new game>bots the first few matches>ok this game seems fun>5 matches later>sweats right off the bat playing like they're on crack>3 more matches same shit>abandon gameEvery single time.You even get a few "noobs" same as you but they really are sweats with new accounts, flying, running, or gunning all over you like their life depends on it. Friend, we both have like 30 minutes in this game and I still don't know what I'm doing here, how in the bloody hell are you a sweat already?
>>744578921>Winning is funtryhard mentality
>>744585223You want skill based matchmaking. The answer to literally every complaint by people like you is skill based matchmaking.
>>744585268I don't necessarily need to win to have fun, but I don't really want to be stomped into the dirt by someone who is playing for mean-spirited reasons.Sweaties will pretend not to understand any of this.
>>744578840>playing for fun is toxic>>744578921I can relate when playing multiplayer vidya, dunno why the other anons are seething at your post as if they never experienced this.
>>744578840Generally everyone finds both winning and moment to moment gameplay fun. People who like comp still find both fun, but they like winning more than moment to moment gameplay. People who play casually still find both fun, but they like moment to moment gameplay more than winning.
>>744581503"I came here to laugh at you" probably
>>744582419Nah, my brother plays it and it's just fucking sweaty>but /v/ shitpostedRetard.
>>744585223Anon that's just how it works for any multiplayer game.You're only going to get a significant population of brand-new players with zero information at the launch of the game. Jumping in later will always be a struggle.
>>744583857TRVTHNVKE
people are way more toxic in ranked and thats not fun
>>744578921Just play a single player game, if you're playing online against real people you should expect that you have to try.
>feeds the enemy
>>744581281Tryhards aren't the reason this game is dying, it's just bad.Both Tarkov and Hunt still have decent player numbers even though they're especially miserable to play, just like all extraction shooters.
>>744578840lookIf I beat you, you're a noob and you suckIf you beat me, you're a tryhard with no life, and I will question your ability to find a romantic partnersimple as
>>744578840i play for fun but i don't play with anyone else.i believe more games should be made for me.
>>744580689I pay to win
>>744578840Games SHOULD be balanced around intermediate players who usually play on their own (or with friends but with the assumption those friends are trash).Competitive players can and often play fan formats with ban lists. If something is broken in that environment, comp players can ban it.Meanwhile the regular players sre just shit out of luck in terms of balancing. If something is egregiously broken in a regular setting, those regular players have no options to deal with it besides hope the enemy is kind enough to not use it themselves.Inversely, some times you get something in comp that’s broken, but perfectly fine in regular play if not underwhelming. Like the Caber in TF2, which got nerfed hard because you could get cheeky Medic kills with it and Sticky Jumper. That being much harder to do in regular matches since most servers are 12-16 players for both teams and there being no class limits either.
>>744578840>passive aggressive mentally ill nigger who wants to win everytime but hates putting any actual effort into the game he plays 10 hours a dayor>retarded metaslave who takes the joy out of everything since he can't play something without optimizing and raping the fun out of it.I can't decide which one is worse.
what is tryharding anywayI hardly ever played multiplayer games before, and never to the point where I was like really good or anything, but I have played Splatoon a lot of the past two years and I can get a decent streak going sometimes and sometimes I feel extra locked in. Though I still lose a lotAm I a tryhard now?
>>744583472not part of the game. you lose because he's better
>>744581791Participation trophies were being handed out in the 80’s. The “my child is too precious and perfect to have any flaw and the world must bend backwards for my screeching untrained retard” mentality came from the flood of therapy and self help nonsense flowing from proponents of a totally organic cultural revolution in the 60’s.
>>744586996>for mean-spirited reasons.You mean because they also think winning is fun?
>>744578840That's what single player games are for
>>744578840Jealousy combined with inability. It's why they still shit on fighting games, its why fortnite and overwatch is/were popular. It's why casuals in the Smash bros community still hate super smash bros. melee even to this day. It's why all series get nerfed for the casual minority which is now the majority.Casuals are jealous bitter people who look at others who work for their skill, and see it as a problem rather than an accomplishment. Casuals are also easy to pander to because you can make the lowest common denominator game, shit it out onto a plate and they'll consume because its simple. Complexity is the enemy.
>>744591034People bad at video games don't want to admit they are bad at video games so they made an insult for people better than them at video games
>>744586996Why do you assume they're being mean-spirited? They could not enjoy holding back and intentionally handicapping their play the same way you don't enjoy getting curbstomped by them playing with no holds barred, they aren't necessarily out to ruin your day in particular
Its not the comps fault the devs cant balance for shit.>>744584053>>744584587Dead by daylight is actually the biggest example of not compshittery but entitled scrubs larping as casuals.To use the fishook analogyDbd players demand you to use fishook while they use hammer, if you dare use hammer they spaz out and death threat you. If you somehow beat them with fish hook they cry how busted wizard is and demand devs nerf wizard. If they win they relentlessly mock you to the point of dehumanization.
>>744578840me on the right
>>744581503He's not disparging videogames, he's diparging pekple who treat them as anything other than pointless entertainment. Same way people make fun of "film manjors" endlessly sucking their own cock about media literacy and the hidden deconstruction of modern society or hidden deep rape allegories in the latest capeshit, they're going to laugh at TTVFAZ3RE4PERXxX420X69 telling them about his move god skills and the ttk (measured in microseconds) of the new meta gun in battlefield 6.
>really liked early rainbow six siege>game becomes borderline unplayable as a casual since autists spend 18 hours a day memorizing pixel perfect peepholes to kill you across the map
>>744578840I see the entire universe as something that exists just to feed my ego, and that includes video games. I want to be handed victories on a silver platter- no, a gold one- while still maintaining the illusion of challenge.
I will take a lobby full of sweatlords over a lobby full of fresh installs any day of the week. Ironically I find tryhard lobbies much more chill to be in.TF2 as an example I can play scout and not have to immediately swap off to deal with a sentry, my team will make distractions for me on spy, when I have uber my pocket will hold w, I don't have to check my back every 0.5s on heavy, when I drop a tele at spawn someone else will upgrade it for me, I never have to ask my team to swap off 4 snipers, I never have to beg a pyro to extinguish me, etc etc.Hell if I'm just having a bad day it's nice not to have to sweat my ass off if I want to keep my team from being spawncamped and if I'm doing well I'll get some good duels in against the top player on the enemy team. When both teams have a base level of competence steamrolls and stalemates are much less common.I do not get this mentality many players have of intentionally using dogshit loadouts, afk congaing in spawn all round, and refusing to improve or be a team player ever. Many of them clearly hate losing by how butthurt they get when they get dominated by a veteran but when you ask them why they're using the liberty launcher and bison they get offended. It's not like there's a shortage of casual servers either if your diet consists of crayons and glue why are you on upward and not 2fort? Better yet why play a team fps at all if you hate your teammates and you hate deathmatching? I genuinely believe the average gamer nowadays is mentally challenged how many people seemingly can't read, lack basic problem solving skills, and have the situational awareness and pattern recognition of a brick. Trying to melee a heavy as scout did not work the last 10 times why do you keep doing it?
>>744578840This thread is proof that people complaing about "tryhards" are not only dogshit at the game but expect others to pretend with them that they are not, like some kind of troon
>>744578840/v/ is full of people who can't stand people who are both worse and better in comparison, as contradicting as it sounds.
>>744579157>hallway monitor kind of wayI saw a guy on a practice server for Assetto Corsa threaten to kick a guy from the server just because he spun out. Telling him it was his first "warning". In a fucking practice server. How are people this cringe?
>>744587226What usually happens is one guy who thinks he's god's gift to gaming cause no life tells everyone what to do the whole match, and anytime they lose he freaks out on everyone, then when people say they are just trying to play a video game he comes here are starts this thread.
>>744597116>having a bad dayYou don't know what a bad day is if this is the shit that gets to you. This is some I've never left the basement nonsense.
