>>744583526
How about good marketing?

Making games is fun. I make games because I enjoy the process.
If someone else likes my games, thats cool too. I havent made a cent, I've made negative money by hosting a download server. I have my dayjob for making money.
t. been making freeware since 2005.

>>744583724
>marketing
>99.99% gamers use adblockers

>>744583782
I meant youtube marketing?

>>744583526
You make games for your inner drive to create, not to get rich and famous.

>>744583526
I got Sir we have an orc problem and am pretty disappointed in how short and lacking in content it is.

>>744583782
They pay streamers to shill their shit.

>>744583782
Marketing in the modern day doesn't mean buying an ad, it means paying a streamer to promote it or playing the algorithm to go viral.

His game is a pixelshit edgy narrative JRPG, btw

>>744583782
Dumbass its called viral marketing, you see it all the time here if you're not retarded

>>744583526
>Screencap xitter thread from a random quote tweet of a literal fucking who
Dogshit board and dogshit moderation. All of you are worthless niggers.

>>744583526
the fact that you can make a game you would enjoy won't make your game a good product
pushing a product involves many other things besides game making, and your game won't be succesful as a product unless you are aware of all of them and plan for them

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Just get lucky lmao

>>744583923
iirc they have to show/mention if the content is sponsored and they can't just shill any product especially vtubers who have image.
>>744584050
I actually like to believe only small or none amount of them are paid shills, and most of them are genuine opinions. If a game is good, people do like to talk about it. I do know Anons like to call everyone here paid shill.

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>>744584318
Grim.

>>744584024
>pixelshit edgy narrative JRPG
This is half the library of RPGMaker games and /v/ loves that shit.

Wait is this a fucking Creeper World like? Kino

>>744583526
His 5 games look the same.

You don't do indie games to try to make money. You make them out of passion. That's how gems come out. If it were actually profitable, the storefront would be even shittier than it already is.

>>744583526
word of mouth/streamer marketing and and chinese localization are the two things you need

>>744583773
based ludite dev
plug your shit so we can review bomb it

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>>744583773
>Making games is fun. I make games because I enjoy the process.
>>744584746
>You don't do indie games to try to make money. You make them out of passion. That's how gems come out.
Why do people push this retarded boomer advice nonsense? Do you really think someone who make games for 10 years should purely make them for passion and just live an unspoken obligation bohemian lifestyle? No one wants to be a fucking poorfag for the rest of their lives, and having more money would allow you to take even more creative risks or furthering your ambitions on making great games. Imagine if you told this to every single doujin/indie Japanese company that they shouldn't bother making money and instead just make random 2D games for their rest of lives. This is the type of shit you find on Reddit and other gamedev related channels where every crab in a bucket repeat the same dogshit advice.

>>744584947
Nothing Ive made is on steam. Back before greenlight you needed a publisher to get through the red tape. Self hosting has always been an option, its still an option even today now that greenlight has been retired.
At most youll find my name in the credits of my friend's games because I like to lend a hand here and there.

>>744585120
I'm speaking as a consumer. If indie games were an actual true profitable endeavor for a very small team, the store would be even more flooded with cashgrabs than it is.

Either you have a medium sized indie team with a decent publisher making very astute calculations or you are a single dev that is making a living some other way (or living off parents) and making vidya as a hobby.

That's seriously the answer. You are not expected to profit. If that's your goal, you are foolish to even attempt it.

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>>744585120
He does have a point though, game development, indie game development especially isn't a fullproof guarantee and most successes are partially due to luck. If you go into game development with the mindset of purely profiting off of it, you're going to end up devastated and end up quitting if your game ends up flopping. It's not a bad thing to want to make games for profit but if you're not having fun making them it's going to be harder for you in the long run.

>>744585120
>>744585410
>>744585391
You're supposed to do it on the side from your job as a Chartered Accountant, Investment Banker, Influencer, or Onlyfans model

>>744585120
Youre reading words that arent in the posts youre responding to.
What theyre saying is that banking your livelihood on indie dev is a horrendous gamble. You should only do dev if you actually enjoy it, but you should also have your finances squared away by having an actual job. Its the same sort of advice as not planning your future off of playing the lottery.
Passion is what keeps the hobby entertaining. Money is what turns it into a job, and you should have a job that is little more consistent than gambling. Only an established developer or studio can treat it with a return on every product released and even they can make flops

>>744583782
Not on social media.

How come most developers are like, I have a 3 day window during launch to make it big, otherwise it's a flop?
Does shilling no longer work? Going on reddit and other sides to market your game? If it's truly good, people should eventually notice even years after launch.

>>744585563
Hot period for steam algorithm to pick it up. Otherwise youre muscling your way into a crowded space with hundreds of other noname devs doing the same thing as well as big devs masquerading as "indie"
The real strategy is to know your demographic and shill as hard as you can to them specifically, the general public is way too broad. You want to find your diehard fans ASAP and let them share within their niche circles.

>>744583526
>Please fellow indies, make smaller games faster.
>Make more low quality small games that don't need to be made to flood the already oversaturated market even more
genius

>>744585120
>Wageslave likes drawing on the side because it's his passion, maybe makes a few comissions here and there but can't sustain himself on them
>This is expected
>Group of wageslave friends form a band because they think it's fun. Burn money touring and never make it back. Throw their shit on Spotify and Bandcamp where it gets drowned out by lower effort slop, appreciate the 66 listens they get
>This is expected
>Wageslave spends his spare time designing a game heavily inspired by his favorite vidya, the kind of game that never gets made anymore
>NOOOOOOO WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T MAKE A COMFORTABLE LIVING OFF OF THIS ALONE?
Brother... What the fuck are you doing?

>>744583526
You need to shill the fuck out of yourself. Like shamelessly. I've seen solo devs shill so hard that I've seen their small little game across most social media platforms and they made a buck. Stop being scared to shill.

>>744585280
would you stop being tsun-tsun and shill your own shit already?

>>744583802
If everyone uses adblockers then why do ads still work

>>744584389
>iirc they have to show/mention if the content is sponsored and they can't just shill any product especially vtubers who have image.
Only if there's a direct transaction. That's why the major game publishers often send journalists halfway across the world with all expenses paid rather than just emailing them a press packet, and also why they regularly receive exclusive merchandise that is never made available for purchase.

>>744585120
>doujin/indie Japanese company
The people who rarely ever break even and have an unspoken agreement to never profit from their work because doing so would be copyright infringement? Those guys?
I get what you're saying, but there's a difference between making something for profit (normal) and expecting something you made to profit (retarded). If you're indie and you haven't done extensive networking and viral marketing, you've already lost desu; if you don't want to deal with all that garbage and just want to make games for fun then there's no harm in that.

>>744584393
>~10% of games make it
Honestly more than I thought

>>744585563
idk, if you have a genuinely good game its going to do well regardless
ive never seen one of those indies that devs cry about not doing well be any good
its always some completely derivative rpgmaker slop

>>744585974
That chart doesn't separate them by positive/negative reviews though. I'm sure the real % is even lower.

>>744585120
It's perfect advice. You should not be trying to make it in the Vidya sphere for cash. You should do it if you have an actual vision and ambition
If you just want cash get a job nigger

>>744585927
You said it best

>>744585974
I dunno what you consider "making it", I doubt an indie dev can live off his 10 review game that he took 8 years to make

>>744585927
>The people who rarely ever break even and have an unspoken agreement to never profit from their work because doing so would be copyright infringement? Those guys?
"Doujin" is literally the Japanese word for indie and they make money even with copyright infringement material. How many times I've seen Dragon Quest or character lewds on DLSite with a price attached to them?

>>744585927
>if you don't want to deal with all that garbage and just want to make games for fun then there's no harm in that.
And it's because of these people that indie games are good. Sometimes those kinds of guys happen to get really successful by a combination of skill and a lot of luck (Balatro guy, Vampire Survivors guy) but that was just the cherry on top of their expectations. Both of them are smart enough that they didn't expect it.

And the AA industry is non existent and AAA developers are more dogshit than ever, so these passionate people are nearly single handedly carrying gaming nowadays. God bless them.

Speaking of, Sovereign Tower comes out in a few days. Looking forward to trying it out.

>>744583526
The game is a cheap flash game tier tower defense game, looks fun.

>>744586030
Naive

>>744586264
If you like a flash style tower defense with fluid dynamics, I recommend Creeper World 3 or 4

>>744586293
Name 3 legitimately good games that are unknown tier
They don't exist

>>744585120
>gamedev as an indie is a hobby
>you can make money with your hobby, but it's still a hobby
>you are supposed to enjoy your hobby, because the "making money" part isn't guaranteed
>get a fucking real job if you aren't planning to jump off a bridge after your passion project sells 23 copies
It's that simple.

>>744586320
Not that anon, I once did a playthrough of Creeper World 1-4 and Particle Fleet so I finally get the story. It's so weird and depressing. But mostly weird.

>>744586407
What is the fucking point? You'll just say "all shit" or "I never heard of this so it must be bad cause I love circular reasoning"

>>744586471
It's just an endless circle of the universe getting fucked, right?
How'd you like Particle Fleet? Apparently people don't like it much but I honestly ended up preferring it over CW. Made me realize I don't actually care about the tower aspect or manually building out a power grid, all I want is to slowly push forward through creeper

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>>744586407
>

>>744583724
>marketing
>indie
If you don't hire bigass indie publishers (which costs an arm) your marketing just gonna get drowned by bigger marketings

>shitty game gets lucky/gets streamer attention and makes money
>dev proceeds to badly quote that shitty sonic meme
>some other dev whines because his indieslop didn't make as much money
When did the indie scene become the same greedy collection of cunts as AAA?
Worse is now actual steam releases like Honcho are taking a page from porn games and doing their early access period via patreon subscription, so now there's precedent for early access games to be a monthly subscription fee leading up to the steam release, or an even worse future where the final release is still locked behind a subscription paywall.

>>744586407
If it's unknown by definition we won't have heard about it.
Fear & hunger before it exploded comes to mind. Makes you wonder how many games like this exist and just aren't noticed.

>>744584024
game looks very generic too

>>744586854
Oh and among us too. It was literally unknown before some big streamer played it

I enjoy how apparently millions of motherfuckers think that indie is "just luck" when in reality it's
>actually having at least a tiny bit of a portfolio together with experience and reputation that will assure at LEAST a double digit number of people will buy your first "proper" game and do word of mouth "marketing" for you instead of banking it all on your first game ever that is also apparently your "dream game" masterpiece
>or alternatively, having the sense to take advantage of popular trends at the right moment with a game that's 7/10 at the very minimum

>>744583526
It adds a fun aspect of unpredictability and keeps the industry fresh.

>>744586914
>double digit number
#wow

>>744583526
Just make an actually enjoyable game. Someone somewhere will play it, and if they enjoyed it, they'll mention it towards their friends or even outright recommend it.
It doesn't have to to be super revolutionary or high quality, it just has to have an enjoyable gameplay loop or story.

>>744585120
100% agreed, the people who claim that creative projects should done on their spare time also complain when projects like Oddity take too long.

they put low effort into their craft and cant relate. they think that mspaint scribbles are equivalent to full length projects that are tough to commit to and complete

Steam shoves games your friends played and reviewed in your face, even if it's femboy feline fuckbuddies or something. If people aren't seeing your game, it's because your first buyers didn't like it enough to give it a good review.

>>744585120
>everything needs to be a hustle, man, if something isn't making you money you need to stop doing it!

>>744587087
Making games for profit is the root cause of every problem with video games.

>>744586914
that grinding shit doesn't work, the real key to making games quick is to reuse assets

>>744586571
Particle Fleet was okay, but definitely didn't like it more than CW. Especially the last couple of missions with long range sniper turrets were annoying as hell.
You could try the "new" game, Creeper World IXE. I haven't played it yet, but it looks like a combination of CW2 and Particle Fleet, where you control ships again.

Also it's not quite an endless cycle, just a really long one. It's not groundhog day, but civilizations emerging and getting destroyed one after another because the particle is deconstructing everything to gather information over billions of years to summon some artifact that gives god mode. To be honest most of the important part of the story is almost entirely contained in CW3. The rest give you some lore and background info on previous civilizations.

>>744586407
Schmidley's Last Stand
Bingus and the Restraining Order
Interior Semantics 64

Ill preemptively take my apology from you, and you can try to do better, ok?

>>744587209
I played IXE actually, it's also fun but the chemical mixing is kinda pointless and then annoying when you do need it a couple of times in the story

>>744583526
Just make good games.
Avoid the oversaturated genres and just make good, interesting, fresh games.

>>744586407
I'll bite
Full Quiet
Syzygy
I wanna say The Desolate Hope as well but you might dismiss this one since Cawthon got popular later on

>>744587291
95% of indie developers are only capable of creating platformers and "roguelike" card games. Some of the more advanced indie devs can also make walking simulators, but that's it.

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>>744583526
This is what his game looks like

>>744587529
>Sonny but bad

>>744583724
>>744583782
This one in particular popped off because the devs were very active on xitter and engaging with the greater gaming community

Seriously, if you are a game dev pick a side between troons and chuds and get very active in their communities on the socials, once you start getting a good amount of reactions you can start shilling. You don't have to participate in culture war shit but you do have to acknowledge you can't win everyone over so you have to pick a side to grift off.

>>744587616
Thanks for the advice anon. I'm a hopeful solo dev looking to make money with my game so this nugget is actually helpful. Now what side are you on so I can specifically grift off of you?

>>744585120
But isn’t that literally every creative endeavor ever?
>starving artist
is a stereotype for a reason. Artists generally dont deicide create as some capitalistic opportunity, and when they do it’s always soulless shite

>>744587190
>Making games for profit is the root cause of every problem with video games.
Okay, so no need to make any sequels or great reboots. Super Metroid shouldn't exist. Tekken 3 shouldn't exist. Metal Gear Solid shouldn't exist.

>>744586407
>Fretless - The Wrath of Riffson
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>Ambidextro
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>Wheelchair Wizards
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>Reentry - A Space Flight Simulator
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>Great God Grove
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>South Scrimshaw
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low plays despite the fact it's free.
>Wordless
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Low sales.
>Magicube
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Laughably low sales.
>Eigengrau
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Laughably low sales.
>Conbunn Cardboard
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Laughably low sales. If this game were made by a /v/irgin, he'd have probably managed to shill it here kek
>Crossroad OS
Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Laughably low sales. First time I heard of it just now, and I've been playing Desktop Explorer, which was probably inspired on this. That game from years later already has over 4 times the reviews this has in a mere month.

These were ones I used Steam search to find. Let me tell you about recent games I enjoyed that are unknown tier.
>Slitterhead
>Stories from Sol: The Gun-Dog
>KARMA: The Dark World
>The Warrior
>Wander Stars
>MotionRec
Holy fuck, this one is truly ridiculous. One of the best puzzle platformers ever and it hasn't even cracked 410 reviews.
>Minos
>Chainstaff
>Mystery of the Malign

So, yeah. There you have it. And the scary part? These are just the ones I know of.

The cream does not rise to the top. There is no meritocracy here. Everything I said in >>744584746 and >>744585391 and >>744586223 is correct.

>>744588147
Yes.

If you make art for the sake of 'success' then you're not an artist, you're the same as an AI generation machine.
btw my first work went viral causing everything after to be popular if that matters

>>744588057
Chud

Make the titties big and do not body type 1/2

>>744588167
>Crossroad OS
Holy fuck this dev must be absolutely seething about Desktop Explorer, I imagine

>>744583526
Never heard of it, clearly this algorithm isn't to blame.

>>744588275
Yeah, damn. Like I said, I only found out about it now. And I spent months waiting for Desktop Explorer. When I could have just tried this out in the meantime. Life ain't fair.

>>744588167
None of these are good.
"Which games are good?" you may ask. Well, the games that I personally enjoy.
So none of these count.
Sorry, but I don't make the rules.

>>744587431
>Full Quiet
Actually looks cool I'll try it out tomorrow
>Syzygy
Ehhhh
>Desolate Hope
Legitimately a bad game scott be damned

>>744583526
>I think I should just give up at this point
yes, if you haven't even made 30k/year then honestly you're wasting your time

How is that any different than literally any other business?

>>744588093
>But isn’t that literally every creative endeavor ever?
Maybe 2 or 3 centuries ago but even then every great artist had wealthy patrons paying them to do some great work. The ones who say this cope with alcohol or drugs.
>Artists generally dont deicide create as some capitalistic opportunity, and when they do it’s always soulless shite
This is leftist academia nonsense point of view. Scott Cawthon fully milked FNAF for years because he knows if he couldn't keep up making break out hits then that's the most he could do, and generally people liked his later works more to this day.

>>744587291
Problem with being TOO fresh is that buyers dont have a frame of a reference and avoid it because its unfamiliar territory. Lots of people want rehashes of existing products because they desire "game X, but more of it" even if no new ideas get introduced to be wholly standalone
This fate befell one of my friends games, even with a demo people bounced off of it. Only people the game clicked with became fans, but at least he broke 50 reviews.

>>744588715
Scott started milking it when it got successful. He got surprised by the deserved and pure happenstance success of FNAF 1. Before that, he was making other passion projecs that sold like shit. And he was doing it as a hobby, on the side. You have proved common knowledge on this subject right once again.

>>744588802
>Lots of people want rehashes of existing products because they desire "game X, but more of it" even if no new ideas get introduced to be wholly standalone
Yes, the indie devs. They don't know anything else but the stupid 5 games they played in their lifetime.

>>744586157
That chart has the top 2 brackets being above 100 reviews. Not enough to live off of but you really shouldn't be trying to live off indie devving
>>744588167
Most of those literal who tier by steals own metrics. Got some good recs out of it though MotionRec looks sweet

>>744588167
Every single one of the games you've listed "made it".

>>744583526
Imagine trying to go up against skilltree idleslop by making a game that demands attention more often than every few minutes
The game is rigged from the start

>>744588802
>Lots of people want rehashes of existing products because they desire "game X, but more of it"
kek i played necesse on the weekend and I swear it was legitimately the devs just ripping off every top selling indie game in every genre but poorly

>>744588957
lmao no

Alright, how about Never Second in Rome? Very fun game, developer already said on steam it's his last game.

>>744588957
Erm it didn't sell 10 gorgillion copies so it FAILED

>>744588957
Clueless

>>744589027
>developer already said on steam it's his last game.
Sad! I loved Legionary's Life

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This wouldn't have been a problem if there is a popular platform to talk about unknown games and give them the spotlight they deserve. Backlogged fucking sucks because most of them try to be like letterboxd, xitter is only interested to be like Instagram thanks to that kike Nikita Bier, and this place just screencap xitter posts for ragebait and it's full of 3rd worlders posting porn or trying to be contrarian.
>Inb4 "anon, what about the daily hidden gems thread?"
That hidden gems thread had potential but here's the thing: No one actually fucking talks about the games and why we should play them. Just arbitrary rules like "only post games with less than 100 reviews" and then people do that and no one talks about them. I have never seen an example from that thread that managed to spawn it's own threads here on /v/.
>>744588884
>Before that, he was making other passion projecs that sold like shit. And he was doing it as a hobby, on the side
Scott has admitted several times that he wanted to make money from his games and he was extremely depressed being poor. He was going to quit game development for good if FNAF 1 flopped.

>>744588957
Some of the first games he mentioned might have made it. 80% of the ones on the bottom didn't.

Unless you think barely making all the money you spent on the game back counts.

>>744589027
Anything above 100 means you effectively made it out of the white noise sea of trash. Most anons at AGDG would be estatic for anything above 100. Above 500 is realistically as good as you can expect without lotto winning luck or an actual insane project

>>744589128
>if there is a popular platform to talk about unknown games and give them the spotlight they deserve
Nigga there's ten thousand games a year

>>744587616
>very active on xitter
their twitter and instagram had no fucking traction whatsoever
the tiktoks on the other hand fucking blew up

the game is really unique too, a shame it fucking sucks past the first few levels but eh, the concept is fun and neat

>>744586407
Siralim Ultimate
The Void Rains Upon Her Heart
Super Puzzled Cat

>>744589174
Anon, follow the chain of replies.

I was replying to a retard that said that if your game is good, it would do well.

Now, I suppose "well" is a relative term, but I sure as fuck didn't interpret it as "You barely make the money you spent on it back"

>>744583526
Its easier than ever to be successful indie dev, just self promo your game to twitch streamers who play random shit from steam and post clips on tiktok/shorts/reels.

>>744584318
>>744584393
How many of these "games" are just the soundtrack or artbook DLCs that every game has now?

>>744589128
>Trying to generate discussion about a game by definition almost no one has played
You need to shill the game to force discussion so people actually play it. People just spamming lists miss the point

>>744589128
>>744589345
The point of those threads is to find cool games you can play. Asking for discussion is a bit much when only 2 anons max will have played it by the time the thread is made.

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2694020/Starbreed/

This came out recently, I saw zero discussion anywhere but it seems like it sold tons of copies.

How did they pull it off? Porn and a publisher?

>>744589287
>Now, I suppose "well" is a relative term, but I sure as fuck didn't interpret it as "You barely make the money you spent on it back"
Agree to disagree. I don't (and you either judging by your post) expect you to actually make money off of deving. If you got your vision out of the white noise then that should be considered a success. Maybe your next game will do better now that you are an established dev too

>>744589438
>like it sold tons of copies
>102 reviews
Come on now

>>744589264
>Siralim
>Unknown
(You)

>>744589530
102 reviews is a ton of copies for an indie game.
You have inflated expectations if you think most of these 1-5 man teams sell more than 1000-2000 copies.

Also porn game review to purchase is totally different if you read dev discords, regular is 1:10 porn is like 1:50

>>744583526
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2725350/Granser__Act_1/

>I put my blood, sweat and tears into my games

yea you're not entitled to fucking shit, who cares your shitty game looks fucking ugly and gay, literally make it better or move on.

>>744589198
Yes that is also a problem, but curators and finding out gems should be easily done when 100s of thousands of people check out games anyway.
>>744589345
People could post WEBMs and a text review, at the very least. That kind of thread has now became a joke too.
>>744589430
>The point of those threads is to find cool games you can play.
So far it's done a terrible job to convince anyone to play them. Is there even a single anon ITT that was convinced by the daily hidden gems thread to buy a game, like it enough to review it?

>ctrl+f "my game"
>zero hits
it's truly over

If I made a game and even one guy boughtered it and said he had fun that'd be cool. I'd only make shit if I found it fun to do so and put my expectations in the earth's core.

>>744589614
>but curators and finding out gems
That already happens you fucking retard, that's how indie games get traction. Do you have any idea how much 10k games is?

>>744589582
I've never seen anyone post about it here and nobody I chatted with has ever heard of it either.
But maybe this is the wrong board

>>744589264
>Siralim Ultimate
Retard
>The Void Rains Upon Her Heart
Slightly less retarded but still over 1k reviews is NOT unknown tier
>Super Puzzled Cat
In my wishlist as an anon shilled it in an old thread

>>744589619
my game made me enough money that I was able to quit my real job and work on a sequel and updates/fixes for the original.
Although that's cheating because I live in a baltic state and I'm relatively frugal.

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jesus christ this place is clueless

>>744589027
>how about Never Second in Rome?
615 reviews at 13 euros in just over 2 months.
he made it and then some

>>744589287
>You barely make the money you spent on it back
personal finances (rent, food, gas) are the biggest cost in indie game development

>>744589619
>>744589726
Holy shit either post your games you attention whores or fuck off.

>>744589659
now imagine your expectation is that you must get enough sales to earn as much as at least a low paying job, preferably you want to strike it rich

>>744589687
I have made and participated in siralim threads. I picked up the series becaus of someone here. I really fucking wish they would add an auto explore feature if they are going to go full ToME

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>>744583526
Don't treat the steam community like this, you lock someone's thread before they can even respond is a bitch move, no wonder nobody shilled his shitty game.

>>744583526
You should be an indie dev because you like making games and want to make your ideal game. If your primary goal is just to make money then you should do something else.

>>744589753
People think if it's less than AAA numbers it doesn't count. 99% of AGDG would be estatic with most of the numbers posted in this thread
People REALLY need to temper expectations

>>744589726
nice, good for you anon
I'm honestly not sad, my game was never meant to be a big hit

>>744589769
Well, maybe someone else can find it now
I wasn't aware there were such strict criteria

>>744589843
>>744587529

looks like RPG maker game, if non of the soul.

>>744584318
i haven't looked at steam for a game to buy since 2008. steam's store has always been anus. you find out about games literally anywhere else.

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>>744589337
stop asking questions.

>>744587087
The only way you can agree with him is if you're retarded and don't understand what people are saying. There's nothing wrong with wanting to profit from your game but if you get into indie dev with the sole purpose of making money then you're an idiot. If your single goal is to make money then there are much, MUCH better ways to do that and you should be doing that instead.

>>744589592
Anon, the point is that it'a the other anon that said that if your game is good it automatically does well that has over inflated expectations. Not us.

>>744589614
>So far it's done a terrible job to convince anyone to play them.
Wrong, I have played many games out of them.

>>744588167
Look thanks for the big list and I'll be looking at each and every one of htese, and I know Mystery of the Malign to be a great game.
Minos is incredibly shit. It's one of the most brainless games I've played and it genuienely pains me to say so because it has a great concept but the actual game is you repeating the same trap layout over and over again until disarmers are introduced, then you fuck around with the reorder plates which are utter dogshit and never work the way you want them to and you just give up and make the same trap layout anyways and abuse ballistas.
One of the stupidest parts of the game is the fact that boulders are so cool and yet like 90% of the enemies are immune to them so even if you go out of your way to reorder immune enemies you still end up with a conga line where the boulder will still break apart because lmao immunity.
The secret trap concept was great though.

>>744589753
>615 reviews at 13 euros in just over 2 months.
>he made it and then some
Hey, retard. Go to that game's steam forum. The dev said the game sold poorly and he can no longer spend time developing games.

You're the one who is fucking clueless.

>>744589430
The pitch for why someone should be interesting in a game should be the post that shills it.
Posts that are just links is not productive.
A dedicated thread can be made for a specific thread if discussion becomes more than 2 anons talking back and forth, but the ball has to be placed before it can be rolled.

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>>744589762
>post your games
anonymous board
anonymous opinions
anonymous game

>>744590331
>He was an idiot and had unrealistic expectations
That's his fault. The game did sell well for an unprovel indie dev. That would be like if I threw a fit my business didn't make a hundred million in my first year

>>744590361
Completely agree. I stopped going to the threads since they would just be list/link spam not not explaining why I should give a shit. Shill the game to generate some discussion you retards

>>744590331
>The dev said the game sold poorly
Not possible with the current review count, unless he was begging hundreds of people to review the game or bought reviews.
Link the forum post.

>>744590390
NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>744590437
The point is that it's not sustainable, retard.

>>744590331
he made approx $100k net. just because he's a retard with money doesn't mean his game didn't make it

>>744590539
We once again get back to the "you shouldn't be deving full time as a non established developer" retard. And honestly I don't believe him 600 reviews in that timeframe he should have made a decent chunk unless he is paying a bunch of people

>>744588167
>>744590298
Also The Warrior, Wander Stars, MotionRec and Chainstaff look cool as hell and I bought them so thanks.
Still fucking hated Minos.

>>744583865
Was it short enough to return after you finished it?

>>744590521
>N-n-not possible
Clueless

I'm on my phone, but the thread is on the third page of the steam forums, it's called "One thing I miss from ALL not found in NSR"

The actual term he uses is that he can't stay afloat as a game developer.

Turns out you don't know what you're talking about. And now you learned.

>>744590508
I still do frequent them, there are still people who make an attempt to shill and appealing screenshots, gifs, and webms can still foster interest

>>744589753
if you go with 1% of users reviewing, that's about 800,000€ in revenue, which will be more like 200,000€ after taxes, if you want to be generous
If he worked on for longer than 3 years, that's a pretty poor return, I can see why he would need to get a job

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>I'm owed success because I spend a lot of time on my game

>>744590803
>65% tax
What the fuck is going on in Europe

>>744590803
>60k a year
>Poor return when the guy is his own boss and works on his own schedule
Dudes living the dream. Also your math is fucked

>>744590803
Maybe he can join Majestic 12.

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>>744590803
>If he worked on for longer than 3 years, that's a pretty poor return,
He made more money than the median earner in Germany in about 4 years.

>>744590753
Nah, it's 4-6 hours long, but there really isn't much to it.

>>744591030
Retard

>>744591136
???

>>744590629
>$100k for a game he probably started working on in 2020, after A Legionary's Life
>this mean he made it and must just be bad with money
Are you a child?

>>744590803
>If he worked on for longer than 3 years
apparently 6 years
one would question fucking how but who knows

>>744590779
>Pic related
This guy has to just be setting cash on fire if he's a solo developer. Plenty of proof in this thread he should be making decent money but the German autism is showing

>>744591030
I'm not sure when he started working on that game, but his other similar game was released in 2019, so yeah

>>744590753
I 100%'d it in ~5 hours. Unless you cheat in resources I don't think you can finish it in under 2, because you're expected to attempt levels a lot until you can get enough resources for your turrets to get strong enough(it's an incremental game if you're familiar with that genre).
As for what's there, 12 levels, 4 tools(missiles, nukes, airstrikes and a freeze ray), 7 turrets(gunners, flamethrowers, mortars, slow gas grenade launchers, laser turrets, cannons and tesla coils).
If you've played the demo you're missing out on at the most like four levels, 3 turrets(lasers, tesla and the grenade launcher) and the freeze ray(which I've never used in the full game).

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>All the replies ITT
Okay so what should indie devs do? Make short but potentially profitable projects and then invest their money on some kind of dividend ETFs so they can get a monthly paycheck to keep working on their dream game forever?

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>>744591279
4chan is doing the thing where it won't let me upload a photo from PC. Very nice gookmoot enjoy this mobile screenshot

>>744591323
They should work on deving as a hobby while having a job until it shows to be financially viable. Like 99.9% if artists

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>>744589204
>german zoomers who don't know how to record their screens without using phones are making more money than everyone in this thread
huh

>>744591217
can you read? I said his game made it, not him. $100k pure profit is a success, but if he bet his life on his first game probably thinking he'll make $1M or he'll be set for life he's, as I said, a retard with money, sorry

>>744591217
100k is an extremely low estimate fyi. More realistically it's like 800k

>>744591279
>>744591325
Or maybe he's right and you've done your calculations wrong

>>744591435
800k is gross, but yeah it's a low estimate, it should be 200k net.

>>744591323
I would say, the best way to go about it would be to interchange big projects with small one. For example start working on your dream game or whatever or a big project you have but then, when you hit a feature mechanic implement it in a separate game. Do short sprints making a simple game with said mechanic earn more money, playtest that feature and implement the feedback and changes into your actual big game. use the money earned to keep going for another couple of months and then repeat when you want another big mechanic.

>>744590940
>implying completely fucked self-employment tax is an EU only thing
They don't like it when you aren't wage slaving for them

>>744591325
damn, poor guy can't survive on 800k in the gaming industry (lol)

>>744591323
I can tell you what they shouldn't do
Don't make market researched slop or shitty art projects imagining you are guaranteed success to work from home as a replacement for having a job
Definitely don't try to stake it all on a single project you don't even enjoy that takes you 8 years

The best thing is probably to participate in game jams, because you'll have feedback on which ideas are actually worth pursuing
Or just make something autistic that you know you yourself will enjoy and if it is any good, it will find an audience

>>744591323
Make a good game?

You're not owed money just for sitting down at a PC and failing to make anything of value lmao. Imagine if the world worked like that..

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>This dev that makes lo-fi historical RPGs must be burning money on yachts. I could never be wrong.

>>744591494
>200
Retard
800*.7*.7(I'm guessing euros pay 30% income tax I have no idea) is just shy of 400k

>>744585120
>Why do people push this retarded boomer advice nonsense? Do you really think someone who make games for 10 years should purely make them for passion and just live an unspoken obligation bohemian lifestyle?

Unfortunately there's a je ne sais quoi that only comes from true passion. Fun games are made by people that want to make games solely because that's what they want to do. Bad games are made by people that just make games because "it's a job" or "this wage will cover my mortgage" or some other soulless reason. If the past 15 years haven't taught you that then I don't know what will.

>>744591323
Make a novel game that (you) would actually play if it wasn't your own brainchild
Nobody wants to play your derivative clone or read your shitty VN

>>744591323
You've been told the answer a thousand times. You just don't like it.

Indie development is a hobby, not an actual job nor a substitute for one. If you get really lucky and are good at it, you can turn it into a job, but that's after you treated is a hobby while you wageslaved or leeched.

>>744591513
I have a business in 'murica and I pay the same level of income tax as anyone else. I ask again what the FUCK is going on in euroland

>>744591594
euros pay VAT, self-employed people have to pay social contribution and income tax is more like 45% at the higher end
also, 5-10% refund rate

>>744587157
>he doesn't play videogames professionaly
>he plays them for fun
ME AND MY STREAMFRIENDS ARE LMAOING @ UR LYF RN AS MYCHAT DONATES TO LMAO WITH ME

>>744591413
Ah yes, the good old
>if it sells [this much], it doesn't matter what it cost to make it, that means the game made it
I can see why /v/tards are constantly confused how AAA games can fail despite selling over a million copies

>>744591448
I doubt it. I have seen how the average person spends money the second they get a paycheck

>>744591728
VAT is just sales tax we have that too kikes just call it something else. Even still 45% is fucking nuts

>>744591741
so you can't read and are just talking with yourself. might as well open up a notepad and simulate a conversation where you "win" at this point

>>744591741
>Have dumb management policies (insane 400 million dollar budgets)
>Actually it makes sense modern games can't make money
It's almost always shit spending practices anon. Whether it's on a billion HR whores or getting too much food delivery

>>744589264
>The Void Rains Upon Her Heart
God bless the creepy autist who made this and keeps updating it.

>>744591910
Not him, but I believe actual devs over you speculating

>>744592078
Dev who's game is somewhere in that ballpark and most anons here are right. Dude should be seeing anywhere from half a million to a million take home. If he's spending so much he's calling it quits he is either incredibly entitled or has a very high standard of living if ~100k a year isn't enough for him. In which case enjoy being a wagie

>>744590298
>>744590714
I really like Minos, but I acknowledge that the game falls apart by level 16 or so. Still, that's perfectly fine, you can just enjoy finishing level 20 with its first (not-actually)final boss and moving on. I don't think it's a game-busting flaw. It's still excellent for the first 4 to 10 hours, and you can absolutely just mess around, learn the tools of trade and win with a big combination of traps and not just abuse the piercing ballistas which are the OP answer.

>MotionRec
Enjoy, bro, genuinely a masterpiece

>>744592257
I believe devs on steam forums over anons claiming they're devs

>>744583526
The real issue is that countries are absolutely fucking over self-employed people in countries like Germany.
You can make $200,000 gross for your first game, get all of your money stolen by the insanely high taxes and mandatory insurance based on your volatile income, then when your second game flops, you're shit out of luck.
The state ran off with your money and now you can't pay for anything.

Germany offers NOTHING to self-employed people.

>>744592345
Fair enough.
Just to be clear there is nothing wrong with having a high standard of living. It's just retarded to expect every single one of your solo dev projects to make several million dollars

>>744592257
Revenue isn't what you take home

this isn't even their first hit either
the other game they made in a short amount of time also made like $180k

>>744592460
With his sales he would be getting around half a million take home over here. If taxes are that bad in euroland it sounds more like living in Europe is the problem than game deving

>>744591393
Zooms love filming screens, they think it add authenticity. Every electronic music producer just films FPV videos of them headbanging at their desk with their DAW on screen. Zooms also love holding non-handheld microphones, like lavaliers and large diaphragm condensers

>>744592395
>You can make $200,000 gross for your first game, get all of your money stolen by the insanely high taxes and mandatory insurance based on your volatile income, then when your second game flops, you're shit out of luck.
Move to a decent country where the money is cheap then? I wouldn't trust Germnay anyway since it's an incompetent and ineffective bureaucratic country that wants to kill off whites and keep being kikeslaves forever.

>>744592589
Can you run your numbers by me? Because I don't see how you get to half a million based on 615 reviews
Any time I've seen Steam dev internal statistics posted in screenshots, it's has been around 1% of people leaving reviews

>>744585120
Jeetcoded post. Anyone replying earnestly is actively contributing towards the decline of /v/, and are no better than a jeet themselves.

People will blame
>the algorithm
for why their games failed and then sweep under the rug that their games that failed are all miscolored mixel platformers and walking simulators.

>>744592625
They might actually be too retarded and lazy to record screens properly
The second one is just emulation large channels that started faking authenticity by looking like they are down to earth and small despite having large production teams and raking in millions. It's all about the image

>>744592758
Anywhere between half a percent and 1.5 percent review:sales. It isn't exact and he very well could have been begging his discord for reviews tonoad the numbers but considering his prior game has over 2k reviews I find it more likely he just got used to a higher standard of living and is spending cash hand over fist. That kind of cash is unironcially enough to move and retire

>>744585120
>Do you really think someone who make games for 10 years should purely make them for passion and just live an unspoken obligation bohemian lifestyle?
Who are you talking to? Who are you quoting? Did you click the wrong thread or are you just illiterate?

>>744583526
Working on average 2 years per game for a decade and getting almost nothing for it is trash, but they have a point that releasing shorter games that are fun is much more financially viable.

>>744592828
>>744588167
>>744591325

>am I getting raped in taxes and cost of living?
>No it's the devving that's the problem!

>>744592828
this
if your game doesn't sell it's because it's not fun
there's no algorithm, there no trick, video games are not instagram videos or drawn art. they are a product and if the product is bad nobody will buy it.
it's that simple

>>744586407
I like Sephiria. It has 2k reviews on Steam and I've heard nobody talk about it. Of course you'll just say >action rogue-like and we'll both move on with our day.

>>744592914
>releasing shorter games that are fun is much more financially viable.
This also worked great for the games industry in general before corporate money was pumped into it at full force

man that nigga making money

>>744592905
You are an even bigger illiterate because the OP used an x screencap where a developer complains he made games for 10 years and didn't make as much money as the guys who made the Orc game in 4 months. Pay attention.

>I'm supposed to believe that European devs make 60% of the non-Japanese indie games worth a shit despite the fact they get fucked over in profits and despite the fact American indie devs complain about the same things and also have to work multiple jobs and treat game development as a hobby

So, either mutts as a whole suck or (You) in particular have done your calculations poorly and are underestimating the costs of game development and the cut Steam takes. I'm gonna go with the latter here.

>>744592395
Man i just ran the numbers for england and its grim

Anything over £125k is 45% with no personal allowance (anything under you don't have to pay taxes on 12.5k of your total earnings)

So that £200k has already become £110k and then national insurance contributions for self employed earning over 50k is an additional 8%

So in total, your take home for earning £200k is in fact, £94k

Absolutely fucked innit

>>744593016
Ugh! The non-Whites are here...

>>744583526
Comparison is the thief of joy.

>>744593310
That's why you're supposed to use a tax counselor to write off as much stuff as possible

>>744592589
>>744592758
A gamedev here.
100 reviews is like 35.000$ with that price after Steam cut.
So 600 reviews is 210.000$ max, but income tax can take like 30% off that depending where you are located.
So if you spend 3 years making it you might not have enough money to make another one.

>>744593424
>to write off as much stuff as possible
Write off what nigga, solodevs don't have real expenses.

>>744583526
It's really funny how 99% of the time whenever i see an indie dev complaining about low sales, i check their game and it looks like complete shit

maybe its just me, but i think there might be a pattern here

>>744583526
>Look up Pugware
>Games all look like 'edgy castlevania-inspired' Newgrounds games from 2006
>Has 5 games in the franchise where each one plays entirely differently, one is a top-down soulslike shooter, another is a timing based JRPG.

>>744593483
>the only expenses are buying materials
Be an angry faggot for no reason then, I don't care

>>744593514
Sovl

>>744593562
what materials nigga? you mean textures? everyone is using the royalty free ones

>>744593514
>Has 5 games in the franchise where each one plays entirely differently, one is a top-down soulslike shooter, another is a timing based JRPG
That's fucking based, leaving aside how shit the games are

>>744593168
Vast majority of our devs are west coast fags who have to worry about 5k a month rent. Also most of our indie devs aren't indied and have seed money anyways

>>744593168
>either mutts as a whole suck
yes, aside from concernedape he's cool but yes
>anon can't into math
probably also yes

>>744593480
>but income tax can take like 30% off that depending where you are located.
That's why, depending on country, you need to incorporate and become the sole employee of the company releasing the game so you pay less tax overall.

>>744593616
>he doesn't even fucking know what greentext means
Good christ, anon. Tax counselors always worth the money if you're looking at 45% tax like you said. I'm out, you're way too angry over a scenario you made up in your head

>>744593480
He probably spent more like 6 going by when he stopped working on the previous game

>>744593645
Right, so it all goes back to the same thing we've been saying from the start. Indie game development is a hobby and no amount of skill can assure you a sustainable life with that "job". IF you get lucky and pull a Balatro, you can turn it into a job at that point, although I believe even the Balatro dev himself is still wageslaving as well.

>>744593645
>Vast majority of our devs are west coast fags who have to worry about 5k a month rent.
just moooooooooooooooooooooooove.

>>744593616
Read the sentence again retard. Even shit like housing can be deducted from taxes if you kike around enough. And with your euros getting raped at over 60% you should be jewing your government every chance you get

>>744593424
For a home based business that's absolutely nothing under britbong laws

You can only claim utilities like heat and power but only for the room your business is based in, the .gov example is if your house has 4 rooms you can claim 1/4 of your utilities bill back and that's it

>>744593796
Completely agree. I have been arguing the entire time under the premise of expect low wages if you want it to be your full time job or do it as a hobby and be glad when people experience your game

>>744593796
Didn't that game also start out as a gamejam game?
Staking everything on making indie gamedev your job replacement is just asking to get fucked up

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3722330/Shift_At_Midnight/

Another Australian (cambodian) dev became a millionaire over night

If you haven't made a friendslop game right now then you're retarded and will never escape the rat race.

>>744593862
Good thing he's German and not Br*tish

>>744593916
>survivor bias

I don't know what kind of madman actually plays random indie games. I already have hundreds of games I wanna get through, I only have time for the cream of the crop

>>744594179
That's fine
Anything is better than only playing the latest talked-about AAA slop they shit out every 6 week or so

>>744588167
>>744589027
the fuck, if your game has over 1k reviews you don't have "low sales" as indie dev. do you also think that youtubers need to have pewdiepie viewership to make a living and they are not getting 5-6 figures for single sponsor spot?

>>744594179
t. has hundreds of hours in the Assassins's Creed franchise

>>744592963
>muh meritocracy
Clueless (probably american) retard

>>744594254
>>744591325

>>744583782
>>744583802
Advertisers did this to themselves, less people would use ad block if ads restrained themselves to just being banners at the side of a webpage, instead of interrupting your browsing or video, or acting like they want to hijack your device.

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>>744594271
Naw
The only fucked up thing is War Thunder, I play it almost every day with a friend

>>744593839
>Even shit like housing can be deducted from taxes if you kike around enough.
not in germany, you need a dedicated room just for work, which i guess you can lie about, but idk how strict they are

there's this thing called "Homeofficepauschale" which is a flat tax break rate at 6€ per day of work up to 1,260€ per year which seems much easier to apply for though

>>744594179
You're not living until you buy a handful of random indie games to play on the weekend

>>744593480
>210.000$ max
And people are claiming this means failure? I assumed when people said indie devs make no money, they meant like the average dev makes less than $1k for five years of work. Are there seriously people getting upset about ONLY making fucking $200k off their game?

>>744594371
MotionRec >>>>> Open world Souls

>>744594501
Already put it on my wishlist from when you mentioned it earlier :)

>>744594501
retarded comparison since they are not even close to being similar games

>>744594407
I eat a small meals at regular intervals and drink water for most of the day. At night when I game I will indulge myself with a can of diet coke. That is the "me time" and I try to make it worthwhile. When I am done for the night I will masturbate into that empty diet coke can and then send it to recycling.

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>>744583526
Infested Planet was better

>>744594529
Then why do you think it's so maddening to play random indie games? Gotta dig around for the gold. You're essentially doing that by even listening to me.

Right now, I'm playing Parkside - Decayed Soul Manipulation. It rules. It's Cruelty Squad but good.

>>744594384
>which seems much easier to apply for
And that is why you get a professional to handle that shit

>>744594642
That's not the same as grabbing a random game off the 50 that release every day

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>>744583526
When you think about it life's success also depend on winning the algorithm game.

>>744594626
Particle Fleet > Infested Planet but still very good taste

>>744594574
>then send it to recycling.
you shouldn't do that. it could get on some random innocent bystander at the recycling center

>>744594501
>le heckin 2d game is way better than an open world souls game
this is just being a safe edgy contrarian on this shitty board. I can't take most retards here seriously.

>>744594329
>>744591325
developer himself claiming "there are not financial means" to work on something and his game actually not making any money are two extremely different things. microsoft fired bunch of studios because there weren't financial means to sustain those studios either. according to MS.

isn't this literally just creeperworld
and I mean that in a good way

>>744594853
>A game I thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish is better than a game I got bored of and dropped within 10 hours because it immediately started recycling his content and there were still 100+ hours of game to go
Yup.

I make a lot of mods/campaigns for several games as old as 20 years ago. I'm always working on some new project. Friends and family ask why I'm not doing it for a living, creating my own game, or joining some dev studio, and the reality is, I don't want to. Sure, I hate my job. But at least I get an escape by creating my own shit. If I joined gamedev, I'd more than likely making shit I didn't want to make for fuckers I don't like. As for my own game, well, I'm not a programmer. I do a lot of scripting in a lot of the games I work on, and I could probably learn it, or use some of the node based shit in some of the engines, but I'd rather just do what I currently do.

I don't want my passion being destroyed by being obligated to use it for someone elses benefit, even if it paid the bills. I rather just go to my current job, pound it out, then come home and forget about it when I'm designing some environment. I don't want to ever hate game development.

My dream would be to have a patreon and release certain mods/new campaigns for the older games I work on for years to come. Constant content.

>>744594384
You don't get 1,260€ back, you're just taxed as though you've made 1,260€ less.
Big difference. So if you've worked at home for 210 days, you may just see 200€.

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>>744593916
Didn't this fag get a 10-minute spot during the Steam Next Fest stream or something? I specifically remember him talking about all the youtubers he wanted to play his game more than he talked about the game itself.

Pic related, from the ad

>>744594471
people in 1st world countries can only live off 200k for 4-6 months, Rajesh

>>744583526
because its either that or working for DEIdev123 and having to listen to shanquina, tyrone (they/them) and karen all day, then get laid off when title ships (if it ships)

>>744594954
Sovl

>>744594847
Oh g-d just the thought of it gives me a stiffy.

>>744595017
>people in 1st world countries can only live off 200k for 4-6 months
... in Beverly Hills? Where the fuck do you live nigga

>>744595017
what a faggot

>>744594471
are games made in a single day at no cost in your world?

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>>744583526
>when your success depends entirely on winning the algorithm game?
gachas have better odds at signing game publishing deals

>>744595017
>10 minute spot
So he's either sucking dick (literal or metaphorical) or paying people. Got it that makes sense

>>744595105
meant for >>744595025

>>744594713
When you eliminate porn games, gachaslop, AIslop, obvious asset flips and obvious soulless cash ins, it's like a game every day on average. You simply pick the ones from those that look interesting.

>>744595105
A place were diversity is celebrated but you need to lived in walled off bubbles of whites among the diverse masses. Those walls don't guard themselves. That shit costs money but atleast you can signal on twitter that you live in california

>>744583526
>why would anyone be an indie dev?
>success depends?
these are two entirely seperate abstracts. If your reason for making games is success, you should unironically get the easiest and most mindless job available.
You should only make something because you can't discover what you're searching for within your self expression, this goes for games too.

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>>744594574
>I will masturbate into that empty diet coke can
Damn dude, your dick fits in there?

First. Are you making a game just to make money or are you making it because you are passionate about your vision and want to create something for you? Those can overlap at times, but most of the time it wont.
Second, are you sure you made a good game? Making 5 garbage games, does not mean you should make the same money like the last 5 GTA games combined.

If at the end you can't make a quality game, nor a game with wide appeal, at least learn how to market it well.

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>>744595325
>he doesn't drink cans by opening them with a can opener

>>744595285
So yes is what I'm gathering. I would kill myself and or others if I lived in those shit holes. If trees don't out umber people 100 to 1 in my county I am just angry all day long
t. Tried the cityfag meme

>>744593310
This is why you start a company before you release your game. The company can only be taxed 25% on profits of over £250k, and will be taxed less under that threshold (down to the minimum of 19%). Then you pay yourself a wage while working on your next game, instead of trying to take home the full sum. You can also offset some of the profits in various ways (i.e. start paying yourself as soon as possible). Although the chances of being successful enough with your first game to even worry about it is probably pretty slim.

I don't know about Germany, probably still just fucked.

>>744595325
he's practising for the billionaire parties for when he eventually gets rich

>>744594954
I wish I had your resilience man. It's tough. I did the same for a while until bills started stacking. Hate to say it but I feel like the magic of creating for myself is gone.
All I see when I work on my game is how much it would sell, how to build "organic" interest etc etc. I'm getting jaded and I'm losing my way, but I have responsibilities I can't escape from. I just hope I can rekindle the pure joy of creating for myself in the future.