Why are crpgs so boring and complicated?
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Graphics also look like shit too
Not every game is for everyone, faggotsama. You're free to play something you enjoy, like Madden 26 or whatever.
>>744610974>>744611046I like Dark Souls 1
>>744610945>just click where you want to move>use number keys to select the respective skill>this filters nogaemz millennials, zoomers, and gen alpha simultaneouslyAnd how!
>>744611085So go play it instead of shitting out a worthless opinion.
Because it tries to sell you an illusion that you 'le can do anything zomg!!11!', but it shatters on the first attempt to do things not how developer intended. Quality games (like JRPGs) establish the boundaries in the beginning, and don't try to pretend there's more to it.
>>744610945Because turn based combat is gay and an obsoleted technical limitation of a hardware that has so little bits it doesn't even exist (pen and paper)
because they are made by autistic people who hyperfocus on shit that doesn't matter while ignoring stuff that does
>>744611751this is the kind of person that would call roguelikes luck-based.
>>744611751Fallout Tactics had a real time combat option instead of turn based.
>>744610945>I personally don't like cRPGsOkay
>>744610945Because they're ultimately shallow despite all the complexity
>>744612314Is Skyrim complex? Is Doom complex? Is Grim Dawn complex? Is Stalker 2 complex? Name me literally any game and I'll make the argument that it's shallow therefore boring.
>>744610945They're not complicated, they are just stunted and have too much text for what its worth it.No one is that invested in your magical realm to care about the lore and humongous dialog with every npc 30 minutes into the game.
>>744610945Classic Fallout would have been better if the amount of action points isn't tied by Agility. You pretty much want a character with 9-10 AG everytime.
>>744610945>complicatedIt just assumes that the player is not sub 80iq. Therefore they are not popular anymore
>>744610945Follow my tier list.Games in S should be played, each one is different.Games in A are great follow up if you liked S games Then finally B games which are worth it if you become a fan of the genre.The rest you ignore because they are not worth the time investment.
>>744615173>WitcherIgnore this retard
>>744615173>Morrowind>anything but Mehstopped reading after that
>>744610945I played new vegas today and scored a 35:1 payout in Roulette fair and square bet all in on 0...and the fucking game crashed on me
>>744610993fallout 1 and 2 look better than your fucking mom
>>744610945fallout is unironically the most approachable and casual old school crpg zoomers can play.
>>744610993F2 has better graphic than 90% of pixel shit and mobile games zoomgroids play nowadays.
>>744610945Just playing dating sim with rpg elements as an secondary mechanic
>>744615173>genre defining games like BG1 and Diablo 1 in the same tier as Might and Magic 9What a fucking retard.
>>744611613The term JRPG is an oxymoron. You are always given a predetermined character, story and party. Player input is minimal besides which attack you want to do next or which girl you want to romance. No role playing games simple as
>>744616723You're the retard, genre defining means shit when both of these games are surpassed by their sequels. This is a tier list, not IGN legacy hall of fame list.
>>744616843>ttrpg>you're given a predetermined character with a backstory written in the spreadsheetno roleplaying
>>744615173imagine rating ME2 two tiers higher than DAO, what an absolute nigger list
>>744617581Mass Effect is its own special thing, DAO is just another fantasy Crpg but worse than its peers.
>>744610945they've always been an absolutely terrible genre. there is a good reason they constantly die and have to be reborn only for everyone to realize they're terrible again.
>>744617816Mass effect is star wars knockoff and worse than kotor games, it barely qualifies as rpg. >just another fantasy Crpgand yet you put a the most type of generic fantasy like bg3 so high
>>744618253Mass Effect is heavily inspired by Star Trek thoughbeit. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>744610945Fallout 1 is pretty fun since you play a single character. But the problem is that it's not systems driven.Try Underrail instead.
>>744612790Zanzibar.
>>744618392its a copy of all generic sci fi tropes and its still garbage rpg and in no way better than DAO you retard
>>744618542You're right about DAO, but you compared ME to Star Wars which shows profound retardation on your part. You can just apologize and move on. They had Marina Sirtis voice Lady Benezia, and Michael Dorn voice a character in ME2. The human spaceship patrolling the galaxy and uncovering mysteries was the Star Trek inspiration. Other than being sci fi in space, it has nothing to do with Star Wars. Star Wars was a romantic story that cared nothing for the realism and explanation of it's universe.
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>>744610945They rely on the novelty of their settings and writing more than people realize, so if you never played them when they were fresh and you've only gotten a sense of them from how their innovations have trickled up into collective gamer consciousness, it can be hard to piece together what the big deal was ex postfacto. The original Fallouts are a hard sell if you're not in it for the world and atmosphere, because gameplay-wise they're not very good. They're systems for telling stories.
>>744611751>turn based combat>technical limitationWe have had this argument a trillion times before and you continue parroting lies. Why?
>>744617501Might and Magic 9 is a broken, unfinished piece of shit. BG1 and Diablo are classics that are still fun to play today. You're a fucking zoomer retard that didn't finish or play 90% of the games in your list. Kill yourself.
>>744615173>Me2 in godtier>BG3 in godtierHoly shit, that’s an impressively awful take. Is this bait? Please never share your opinion on anything ever again.
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>>744610945I don't mind fallout but I really cannot stand the RTWP RPGs. Every combat encounter is just 100 things happening at once and you dying before theres time to even process what happened.
>>744619042i compare it to kotor because both games were made by the same company and bioware took inspirations in their game design, I played both one after another recently and the similarities were uncanny, sadly they completely stripped any rpg elements like map explorations, deep character builds, plentiful party interactions and interjections, dialogue choices and replaced it with barbones interactions, colored two word dialogue wheel for retards and shitty clunky cover shooter gameplay.
>>744610945I tried to play Fallout 1 after loving Fallout 3 but I dropped it after 2 hours. Absolute slog.Inb4>zoomerI'm a 94.
>>744616843this kind of autism is exactly why wrpgs have so many problems. "but the roleplaying" they say, but then look at games they consider "real rpgs." for example I played pillars of eternity deadfire and wanted to rp as a pirate. I was able to find a pirate hat to wear, and I could get a ship and plunder other ships in the worst minigame ever, but none of the dialogue options presented to me let me introduce myself as a pirate or say anything pirate-y. keep in mind this is a game with actual pirates in it. if I wanted to be a pirate in baldur's gate or something I would be completely out of luck. all of the "real roleplaying" in wrpgs is just pretending your character is something while only like 10% of it is actually reflected in the game. wrpg fans will say "but 10% is better than 0" while ignoring all of the compromises that had to be made with every other system in the game to make it happen.
>>744615173Powerful list
>>744619768>I'm 94.Just die already
>>744610945Your brain is fried from all the dopamine fiending; it's too late for you.
>>744610945I loved Fallout 3/4/NV so I tried Fallout 1/2 last year and loved both of them although they were definitely outdated and flawed in some areas.
>>744619768You should have tried playing it for 4 hours instead of 2. The game opens up once you get some armor and a decent gun. You should have plundered vault 15 for those.
>>744619732We're not talking about game design retard-kun. You are right about that. We're talking about how Mass Effect is explicitly inspired and similar to Star Trek, and not Star Wars.
>>744619771>all of the "real roleplaying" in wrpgs is just pretending your character is something while only like 10% of it is actually reflected in the game. wrpg fans will say "but 10% is better than 0" while ignoring all of the compromises that had to be made with every other system in the game to make it happen.You need to play better WRPGs.
>>744615173> d2 lower than baldurs gayYou need castration.
>>744615173Kotor 1 is mediocreBG3 is highly overrated overrated and the fact that you have it above BG2 makes you a special kind of retarded
>>744620040It shouldn't even be on the list, it's not an RPG.
>>744615173Finally an accurate ranking of Arcanum
You aren't putting effort into learning and playing CRPGs. So go back to ball and gun games.
>>744615173Gothic is just poorman's Morrowind
>>744610974FPBPshit thread
>>744616147I replayed it and I had like 35% Small Guns, but 8 Perception, so I still had like 80%+ accuracy with the starting 10mm Pistol. I never knew it was THAT generous.Then just throw lit flares in the dark.
>>744619965name one where I can be a pirate with a hat and a ship and a pet parrot
>>744618253As the other anon said its more like Star Trek, but that is a movie and not a videogame, name one action rpg that is better at what Mass Effect does. Mass Effect has third person shooter gameplay, its a space game and has a great cast, this is already more inspired and interesting that Dragon Age, the most overrated franchise in RPGs, has only one game that is good, and even that good game has terrible mmo-light combat system, stripped all the depth from Baldurs Gate 2 and has worse story and cinematics than Mass Effect trilogy all while have generic world, generic side quests and shallow interactive systems compared to Elder Scrolls (Sandbox/World) Witcher 3 (Side Quests/Narrative Direction) and Baldur's Gate 3 (Interactive gameplay systems)BG3 being high has nothing to do with its world, Dungeons and Dragons has always been generic because its the vanilla RPG world and theme, but BG3 has great gameplay and level design and its very reactive which earns its spot up there, its continuation Divinity Original Sin 2 sits below it for those who wants something similar because there's nothing else that scratches the itch, by the way both are overall better than Dragon Age!You're free to disagree, I'm not forcing you, make a tier list and put DAO as the best, maybe some retard will get scammed and follow you, then maybe he will curse you to oblivion xD
>>744616147Kotor is still easier
>play random jrpg like pursona>lets me play the role of a student to perfection, choose how to spend the schedule at my own leisure, can even choose to fail socials or sleep all day, true roleplaying>crpg like PoE>can't even be a piratewelp
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