Was it ever explained how Fallout 4 has some of the worst designed weapons and armor in all of gaming?
>>744614130What's the problem rajeesh? Scared of a little loo?
>>744614130Because Fallout 4 was the actual first sign that Bethesda lost their mandate of heaven.
>>744614130To push you towards using Power armor 24/7
>>744614130Bethesda competent concept artist died, and the other one had a rather different vision about Fallout
>>744614130My favorite detail is the stupid little cable thing running from the back to the collar that very clearly goes from nowhere, feeding into the back of the collar to accomplish nothing. Why is it there? What purpose could it possibly have?
>>744614130concept art wasn't great but the 3d modelers still fucked it up and made it 100 times worseyeah it's supposed to be cheap disposable armor but it still didn't have to look like thatalso why the fuck are there pipe guns fucking everywhere when there's hundreds of millions of proper guns
>>744614130Adam died and Bethesda did a soft-reboot to the franchise with F4. Fuck them.By the way, If I had to guess, I would say the toilet armor was an attempt of creating some sort of "stormtrooper armor".
That wanted to minimize the clipping if player used parts from different armor sets.
>>744615364This is almost certainly the real reason, which doesn’t change the fact that they executed it so fucking badly. Armor hardly looks or feels lime proper armor if it’s just some disjointed random plates on each limb, it looks more like it belongs in crappy cosplay threads.
>>744615364if they're too lazy to program in different offsets for different outfits, they just shouldn't do layered armor in the first placesmall game studio btw
>>744614130Actual game artist here. Even done work for Todd/Bethesda. The real reason: At the time, Bethesda was obsessed with avoiding clipping at all costs. All armors had to fit over all outfits, or the outfit had to have special flags to disallow armor over it. This meant all armor was made to look bulky from the get-go, and on top of that a system was put in place to scale up areas of of the armor (based on rigging weights) to make it even more bulky so that absolutely no clipping ever happened and made for a "bad screenshot".
>>744614130Fallout 4 is the start of nu fallout slop that looked like the jetsons that includes 76 and the tv show. It's not fallout its toddout
>>744614130toilet man!
>>744614130Simple >Mods will fix it>Pay for our Creation Club creations
>>744615654Which seems like fucked-up priorities, because you’d imagine that cool armor with some occassional small clipping would be received more favorably than armors from shitty cosplay conventions.
>>744615685Yeah, F3 can be many things but at least the artistic direction and post apocalyptic feeling was there, it was oppressive and harsh. Capital Wasteland was great and The Pitt had the best to offer when it came to recreating that sensation of dying world, there's nothing like that in F4.
people who say synth arrmor and weapons look like shit on people are fucking retards, of course they look like shit on people it's mass produced synth armor made to be bolted onto robots and then lost forever moments later hen a superman uses the synth for a backscratcher, it has no aesthetic or defensive value other than the fact that the institute can shit out thousands of these armor sets and then immediately lose them without actually losing anything valuable. same with the insitutue laser rifle, it's a shitty stripped down laser rifle with no ergonomics because synths don't need ergonomics or even sights.
>>744615116The concept art screams retro sci-fi. The tight fit and the colour of the different materials on the harness and the kneeguards are a welcome contrast and really make the whole thing pop. It looks very purpose built. The actual 3d model meekly whimpers "nuh yea". It just looks like shit.
>>744615116Its still a retarded in a different way. Armor is supposed to cover the chest at its most basic, weakest version. Having just the shoulder pads and wrists makes me thing the modellers fucked up and thought a sketch showing just the peripheral parts must have been the light armor version.
>>744616257almost everything you see around these days is mass produced retard, that doesn't mean it has to look like shit>>744615116the armor looks like dogshit in the concept art as well
>>744614130Their orignal Concept artist diedSomething similar happened to game freak when their programmer died and they didn't know wtf they doing.A surprising amount of AAA studios only really have like 1 or 2 useful people in a department and everyone else is just dead weight
modular armor felt like something that was thought up early in development and too much work was put into it to take out, because I genuinely thought most of Fallout 4's armor design was pretty good when it came to "normal" stuff like Kellogg's outfit. same thing pipe guns getting way too much attention and focus when they're realistically never used by the player period. as for other bad gun designs gunfags would complain regardless
>>744615116>why the fuck are there pipe guns fucking everywhere when there's hundreds of millions of proper gunsAccording to Bethesda's fucking stupid lore, pre-nuke USA economy and resource was so shit leaving people to make their own fucking Luty's at home.The dogshit pipe weapons by their own admission are designs over 200 years old and somehow became standardized.
>>744616257Earth to retard.The developers can make anything, so why would you make it unappealing? I don't give a fuck that it would make sense that they're ugly, why not just make it good? Baka retard.
>>744615116This actually looks a lot cooler than the in game version, maybe it's cause of the knee pads and boots
>>744619048Ever since I started using mods those things bother me more and more. The thing that bothers me most is the rust coating. It makes them way uglier than they have to be, and if guns are deteriorating that much then why is everything else in such good shape?They could've at least put in some signs of wasteland repairs, like the fallout 3 hunting rifle with hose clamps holding it together
Concept artists and model designers thought the quirky retrofuturistic 50s aesthetic they swore by (for whatever reason) had to be uniformly applied to every single asset in the game. Hence everything from the buildings to the weapons and armour is an unsightly chrome tube painted in matte colours.
>>744614130One of bethesda's top concept artists Adam Adamowicz died, they allegedly used his earlier work on 3 as a reference but I'm convinced Pely didn't use it in any meaningful way and relied more on Ray, Ilya and John's concepts.
>>744614218Kek
>muffled shaun intensifies
>>744614130Bethesda has some of the worst artists in vidya
>>744622890Holy shit lmao
>>744614130did you see some of the people that got laid off? multiple had the russian commie axe/sickle tattoo
>>744614130I don't believe this
>>744614241Oriental wisdom strikes Truth laid bareFallen sun and rising moonstarHope rattles
>>744614218Toilet armor just keeps getting funnier.
Really Todd?
>>744614130>Was it ever explained how Fallout 4 has some of the worst designed weapons and armor in all of gaming?Did you ever play New Vegas? Do you remember asking Mr.House why he hated the Brotherhood of Steel? He called them "tech fetishist", but the greater connotation of his gripe was they were tribals: they hoard technology, weapons, and instead of nation building they cloister themselves in a very strict, orthodox, traditionalist, "ethic" way of life. Despite appearances, mentally; they're still ooga boogas who'll never amount to anything. Bethesda is on that same page with Fallout. They don't actually get any of the themes, the stories, they have no interest in plot or cross-faction interactions. It's all just "dataset consumption"; they build theme parks where the player consumes references. It's why everybody is still covered in shit, living in scrap houses they won't sweep the skeletons out of, why the roads and infrastructure go unused, why there's endless supplies of raiders EVERYWHERE, why EVERY STATE needs supermutants, it's just all poorly connected references with no substance.
>>744614348I do not care for power armor
>>744621254yeah, it's just a sign that the company is too big and nobody has the full picture of what's being made. People just throw shit in that seems valid from their small perception. That's a lot of why the writing is so weird, all the writing was done in preproduction when the staff barely had any idea of what the finished game would be like. For example why there's so much weird writing that seems to assume a Skyrim-like level of civilization (like the Railroad, or the idea that there is a criminal underworld with gangsters) when there are actually almost no settlements and not enough civilization for crime to mean anything
>>744616257it's rare to see someone who knows what they're talking about in a F4 thread, but here it is
>>744614130Adam Adamowicz was seemingly the only one capable of artistry at Bethesda.And he died.
>>744614130>me on the way to the womens bathroom
>>744619048American's making pipe weapons never made sense to me in fictional settings as a means of survival. You fuckers have guns everywhere, what did the USA go around an hoover them all up in the pre-war world?
>>744614130>sits as a toilet in diamond city women's bathroom
>>744626692>leaves wearing the bathroom
>>744614130I like it more than the static head and chest only slots 3 and new vwgas had. I much prefer 4 having many armor slots and proper weapon customization
>>744626804>nukes try to fall in america>gets shot in the air, exploding>americans shoot the explosion for inconveniencing them
>>744615685Yeah what the fuck is this, the original fallout games had normal modern guns like the p90 and m4
>>744614130I liked the pipe guns
