buffslop

tedium

>>744620270
tranny game.

>>744620270
You're in for a long as CRPG
The gameplay is ass
The story has some good payoffs
The characters range from complete dogshit to pretty cool
The soundtrack is awesome but not varied enough for a game of that length

Just don't play on harder than Core.

>>744620658
RT doesn't have trannies, therefore I must conclude that Pathfinder is woke but not Owlcat

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>>744620270
Do you like pic related? Either the writing, style, or maybe just the aesthetic? If so you'll love Owlcat's products.

What's in it? Good ruleset, decent mechanics, mediocre fun, voice acting best described as a "mixed bag", uninspired quirky cartoon graphics, bad characters, terrible balance, and unironically, without hyperbole some of the worst writing you will ever encounter in any medium.

I'm not kidding on the last one, there's fan fiction written by teenagers that has better writing than this game. Also extreme wokeism, the first two main characters you meet are a black woman, a lesbian Orc, and the lesbian Orcs MtF transsexual "lesbian" lover. Also, not content with one tranny, there's a second tranny that you can ask for a sex change potion.
It's not even just the wokeism that makes it shit either, there are actually games with woke politics out there that are very competently written, but this is absolutely not one of them.

More or less just what >>744620658 said

>>744620270
A frankly not very good game that still somehow mogs every other CRPG.

>>744620270
cucking

>>744620270
Personally I didn't like it, the story starts quickly with high stakes that feel unearned, there's no good build up to hook you into its narrative, world or characters.
The gameplay is very shallow and superficial, you can't interact with anything around you, everything is a setdressing, I tried to mess around and climb on a roof and i couldn't even do that, can't even walk below it as when you click the character stops at invisible walls.
Combat is a slog, its boring and repetitive, the game lacks enemy variety to keep encounters fresh, the dungeons are designed in a very mundane and one dimensional way, so exploring them is just boring, its worse than Skyrim dungeons and thats not a high bar.
I found its rpg systems archaic and convoluted for no good reason, there's a lot of reading required you may spend a single gaming session just in menus, but the end result is barely different, suffice to say its quantity over quality, you get a feeling they throw mud at a wall to see what sticks.
Quest design is just mediocre, the music is forgettable and i dropped the game at act 4 because I was just not enjoying it at all and i had to use my time in a better way.
I'll also note that its still buggy as fuck despite many patches and shitton of DLCs.

Play it only if you want to see the Pathfinder tabletop, otherwise, imho its just not a good use of your time, if you care about that at all. I'd say its massively overrated but its not, the game scored accurately, its just that some fans oversell it. I caved in and i was disappointed but they made me buy it. I'd rate it 4/10

>>744620376
fpbp

>>744620270
Getting so sick of the terrible companions you just start doing solo runs for the extra exp.

>>744620270
ultra wokeslop

>>744620270
The best CRPG combat you've ever played with the worst companions and dialog you've ever read

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>>744620270
WOKELESS MOD
DOWNLOAD THE WOKELESS MOD NOW
THIS IS MANDATORY TO FIX THE GAME: https://rpghq.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2191

Then find ToyBox mod and the good Arueshalae portraits from Nexus Mods. Also mandatory.

After that, the game is pretty great. Just ignore the crusade builder crap that was tacked on and roleplay all you want. Also what >>744620839 said.

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>>744623115
>the good Arueshalae
This one.

>>744622461
>Getting so sick of the terrible companions
Ember, Camilla, Arueshalae and Regill are mandatory for any run I do that's not Swarm. Maybe the teifling kid and Doran just because I like finding severed heads in my bag.

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>>744622738
>best CRPG combat
Not even remotely close. It doesn't even fucking feel like playing PF 1e on tabletop. Either you smash your autoattack party into a fuckfest of generic enemies, or you spam 100 buffs before fighting a boss with disgusting number and ability bloat. The build autism is really the actual best part of the game, especially the branching mythic paths.

>>744621910
>the story starts quickly with high stakes that feel unearned, there's no good build up to hook you into its narrative, world or characters.
Every WRPG starts like that.

>inb4 Mass Effect
Not real RPGs, just 3rd person shooters with dialogue choices. Plus those games are dick and the only good things about them are Chicken Wife and Lizard Bro. Point still stands.

>>744623276
>Either you smash your autoattack party into a fuckfest of generic enemies, or you spam 100 buffs
Wait people actually try to play cRPGs like this? I just set everything to minimum difficutly and gib enemies with a single swing. I'm here for the roleplay not to get annoyed

>>744623276
The beat CRPG gameplay is Underrail. The best CRPG overall is Arcanum.

>>744623370
>Every WRPG starts like that.

Ask me how I know you've never played any WRPGs other than TES and Biowareslop

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>BG3roons immediately swarm the thread
I have BG3 fatigue

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>>744623618
No one has mentioned bg3 in this entire thread
>>744623224
That looks nothing like the game's artstyle, pic related is superior

>>744623618
I have bot fatigue.

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>>744623685
>That looks nothing like the game's artstyle
And for most portraits, that's a good thing, since most of the art is shit.
>pic related is superior
Actually that's not bad at all. Nice.

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>>744623612
>Pathfinder
>Rogue Trader
>BG2
>for what's worth, BG3
>Shadowrun
Was gonna do Frostpunk but that's a survival game not a roleplaying game.

Name another WRPG. We're not talking Suikoden or Growlanser or something. Can't even recall another WRPG that's not just a 3rd person shooter pretending to be a WRPG.

If you even begin to type "Disco Ely--" I'm gonna rape my laptop to fuck your bitchness out of my computer...

>>744620270
Buffslop
Reloadslop

And a game that is too long for its own good. The story isn't interesting enough to justify the 300 hour slog.

>>744624143
...Colony Ship?

>>744623883
That portrait was made here by some anon back in the beta, though to this day I still haven't found the original post

>>744620270
great game, woke is definitely there tho, biggest real flaw is that the game is too damn long

>>744626093
The biggest gameplay problems are the crusade stuff and hidden time limits.
Even if you like the crusade stuff you have to start from scratch 3/4 of the way through because the game sabotaging all your shit while you're in the abyss.
And I don't know where Owlcat's obsession with hidden timers started but there's so much shit in the background running checks on what exact day it is, where you might burn days just changing your prepared spells due to a misclick or something else innocent.

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>>744623115
Oooh, that my for the mod anon, didn't know it existed.

One question tho, I used a custom portrait that I found online and out it in the game files. I believe that if I use mods to change companion portraits, then I will lose my own custom portrait since the mod changes the paths, right? I would prefer it if I could keep my own custom portrait and the changed ones for the companions at the same time

>>744621507
To be fair, in a fantasy setting where shit like shapes hitting exists, etc. One could argue that a potion that turns people into the opposite gender, isn't so far reached.

That being said, is there any point in the story where I can have selah and the two lesbians killed? Without being forced into an evil mythic path? I'm still very new to this

>>744623482
>I'm here for the roleplay
Then you picked the worst series available for it with the most stifling and character-breaking mandatory choices. You'd get better roleplay out of a F2P MMO or MMO trial than this shit, but most people don't consider those options because they're here for the thing you seem surprised people want.

The point of a Pathfinder game is projecting your builds. If you want to play Pathfinder to roleplay, find a tabletop group, because the only video games that exist for it have modified Paizo APs with factually downgraded stories and weird faggoty characters that tend to be universally reviled.

>>744620270
I need sex with ember

>>744620270
You should probably install the buff mod, otherwise you spend like 3 hours buffing with each party member before every semi-big fight. And some of these buffs don't last long enough, by the time you are finished, the older buffs may be gone already.

The mod fixes that by allowing you to select specific buff and combines them into one button

>>744626669
That mod doesn't touch your PC's portrait

>>744624143
2 of those games are the same shitty wokenigger company, surely you are smarter than a gorilla

>BG2
Eh, maybe not
If you can't understand why looking at a sequel that is a direct continuation of a previous game (that ends with you discovering divine heritage no less) like this and complaining that it starts too bombastically is utterly stupid, I'm not sure what to tell you, what you have is an IQ problem.

>Name another WRPG
You mean that don't immediately give you either world-ending stakes or a "chosen one" spiel in the first hour? Sure thing, here you go, here's 12:
Baldur's Gate 1
Neverwinter Nights
Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide + Hordes of the Underdark
Neverwinter Nights 2 + Mask of the Betrayer
Divinity: Original Sin (not that there are really any good characters anyway)
Nehrim
Enderal
Expeditions: Viking
Expeditions: Rome
Planescape: Torment
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic: 2

These are just what I've played and off the top of my head.

>>744623482
To some people, build autism, strategizing and being challenged is fun.

>>744621507
>wokeism
You talk like a fucking moron, you know nobody will take your opinions seriously.

>>744624143
Baldur's Gate 2 is a direct sequel and thus the stakes are tied to the previous games. You are intended to import your character and continue. This is as silly as claiming that the stakes feel unnecessarily high at the start of Wizardry 8 because you failed to play Wizardry 6, import into Wizardry 7, and then import into Wizardry 8. Skill issue.
Baldur's Gate 3 never feels like the stakes are high. The entire beginning of the game, you are detached from everything as you wander around a refugee crisis. The part of "high stakes that feel unearned" is actually having something at stake. As far as you know, for the entire first chapter of the game, you have nothing to gain or lose. You're just some fucking faggot retard fighting goblins to save refugees while otherworldly voices whisper at you threatening to kill you. If you think the constant threat of death is "high stakes" in an RPG, then you probably consider every platformer with holes and game with a hunger bar "high stakes".

So yeah, it seems like you've never played any WRPGs.

>Name another WRPG
Try Ultima, which is the cornerstone of RPGs to begin with and has half a dozen good games under it's belt. If this wasn't your go-to, then you are absolutely out of your element here. Or are you asking specifically for CRPGs like Icewind Dale, which doesn't fit your narrative at all, like the rest of the infinity engine games? Temple of Elemental Evil was even re-released not too long ago yet you just pretend that doesn't exist. But why would you be discussing CRPGs specifically when most people would first stop at Arcanum or Fallout?

>>744626862
I am pretty sure you can get the Orc Dyke killed at multiple points, and I know for a fact you can kill Seelah yourself, there's at least one decision on some quest where if you try to do a thing she sides against you and goes hostile, there's probably more but I didn't take her everywhere due to how bland she is.

I am not sure about the troon, I haven't seen any options that would make xir hostile.

>>744620270
a game that's overall worse than kingmaker
the first one stumbles into quite a few of the same pitfalls as the sequel, but pace and theming is simply superior
most importantly: kingmaker has a total of 3 based manlet companions harrim haters gtfo you don't know what comedy is while wotr has 1 based manlet and 1 cringe manlet maybe even 2 if you count staunton, which makes the second game objectively quantifiably worse

>>744627692
You can prefer the setting, stakes, and tone of Kingmaker, but Wrath is objectively an improvement in almost every area.

>pace ... is simply superior
>Kingmaker
You cannot be serious. Skipping 6 months because you finished that chapter's main quest is standard for that game, KM has notoriously awful pacing.

Also Regill is worth the entire KM cast alone, the companions in that game suck hard and their personal quests and dialogues are comically front- or back-loaded. Camcam and Wendu are great, Woljif can be a bro, amd Seelah is massively overhated by underage culture warriors.

>>744627981
Garbage taste

>>744627981
Based actual player.
If Owlcat ever made a third game with Wrath's depth but KM's lower stakes and more adventuring tone it would be godlike.

>>744628047
Amazing contribution.

>>744620270
Lots of cuckoldry

>>744627981
skipping time in two week stretches for rank ups and then catching after the main quest is indeed bad, but between pre-drezen acts and the excusrsion into abyss, i'll fucking take it
also kingdom mismanagement > bootleg homm, but that's harder to gauge due to PLEASE NEUTER THIS MECHANIC INTO NOTHINGNESS options

>the companions in that game suck hard
as i said, the density of based manlets is my main metric
and as far as everybody else is concerned, i am way more willing to tolerate funny retards than traitors and lunatics, with wotr it's always feast or famine, leaning towards famine
>Camcam and Wendu are great
understandable, have an awful day

>>744628325
The entire game is about redemption and forgiveness, and questioning what exactly good and evil is, no shit you're meant to give the misguided mortal retard a chance to fix himself.

>>744628540
Wendu is one of the better written companions in crpgs, and I've been playing them since before most of this board were born. Daeren has some great moments too while we're at it.

>>744628719
>Wendu is one of the better written companions in crpgs
She's just a poorly done Viconia clone lmao

>>744628416
Is there a non cuck option in the entire game? I know none of the hetero ones are exempt and I'm not on that faggot shit so idk about the rest.

>>744628719
>no bro you don't get it wendy is so good once you see that specific route in her questline {X} hours later
the mantra of rpg players

into the woodchipper wendog goes, but daeran falls under the based retard category, he can stay
that's what i mean by "feast or famine" btw, first three characters i am always glad to pick (banter-wise), but then the last two slots might as well be free
while in kingmaker i only had to tolerate linzi, and even then her greatest crime was the printing press incident

>>744621453
Paizo is pretty fucking woke. Most tabletop RPG publishers are. You got a weird spectrum since about 2010 where games are slightly left of center to full on rainbow haired SJW retarded and a smattering of shit with more edge than a sackful of razor blades to the point of hilarity.

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>>744629332
>quippy faggot that can't stop telling you how much he wants to have gay sex with you
No thanks

>>744629459
>Used demon cumrag
Come the fuck on bro.

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>>744629879
That has nothing to do with cuckoldry. Purified and revirginized btw

>>744629954
Nah

>>744620270
>Sell a power fantasy
>Story is about power fantasy
>Buff the monsters so much that your build feels like ass unless you're minmaxxing.
Rogue trader is significantly feel more power fantasy than pathfinder games since you can punch above weight AND the game also let you break it as much as you can with reasonable effort(lack of prebuffing bullshit really helps.) If paizo had any brain they should shit on 1E purist and make 2E pathfinder CRPG so newcomers don't see 1 million laundry list of buffing and rightfully fucked off afterwards. And keep it 4 man party, owlcat games proved that 6 man party doesn't fucking work on the ruleset without buffing everyone sky high.

>>744629954
I actually really liked her non romance path on the Angel route. Just being a pure celestial paragon that even other angels look up to. Also denying Nocticula constantly and watching her lose her fucking mind over it.

>>744629604
considering the ABSOLUTE STATE of "romance" """discussion""" in carpig threads, you better make sure you ain't throwing any rocks out of your own glass house over there
and amusingly enough, literal zesty nigga is way more boring than metrosexual quippy faggot, so clearly there is more to being a smarmy homo

>>744630141
None of the girls are faggots, because they're girls, nor do they spend 90% of their dialogue quipping, so don't worry about the glass house

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>>744629989
Yah
>>744630078
What? None of those things happen, none of the angels mention her, neither does Nocticula outside of one time (where she's mocking her, not seething)

>>744630389
The angel path has several specific dialogue options when people bring up allowing a demon in your party isn't very angel of you. Even avoiding her romance you can stand up for her with path options essentially saying you can read alignment and see the light inside her. She's always super thankful, and you can see it means a lot for a angel incarnation to recognize that.

>>744630510
>The angel path has several specific dialogue options when people bring up allowing a demon in your party isn't very angel of you
No it doesn't, the only piece of reactivity involving Arueshalae and the Angel path is the one you mentioned about seeing her soul, when Galfrey throws her meltie. And Galfrey complaining about her happens regardless of your path

>>744630574
I just finished this playthrough man. You get 2-3 in act 3, like a ton in act 4 including the Nocticula one you mentioned, and at least two in act 5. You might even get one in Drezen siege, but I left her in the jail.

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Im gonna turn arue in a melee unit, what weapon should I give her?
I went for starknives last time but im doing angel instead of azata so the good knives are unavailable without cheating them in and i kinda dont want to do that

>>744629954
Arue owes me a whole book's worth of sex positions including leathery wings and pointy tails and horns

>>744630207
>wilfully ignoring the epic debates over which romanceable girl has the greatest bodycount (both literal and figurative) according to random banter
hey man, if you do not have the brain damage to engage with all that, then good for you
but then it's weird to focus on homo romance you did not take you didn't right? or on how the companions are terribly one-note with their comments
and if you didn't like him, alright, just one more point for kingmaker then

>>744623115
I kinda wanna try it just for seelie but having to install it with fucking .bats is a little worrying

>>744630776
Horsefucker cav unit.

>>744630776
Are you using the reclass mod or just wasting 8 levels for no reason?

>>744630875
companions start at lvl 1, so im still technically paying tax, but i can remedy that with toybox fuckery anyway

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>>744630672
And I have played angel multiple times. You're mistaking generic dialogue you get regardless of your mythic path with angel exclusive dialogue. Pic related is no exaggeration all angel gets, and you don't have to take my word for it, go and check the mythic path reactivity guide made by the dataminer Ranadiel on Reddit

>>744620658
More like ntr

>>744630927
She could be a cool crit charger with any of the fat reach weapons.

>>744631070
>crit charger
you mean mounted or just spear infantry?
I kinda like the idea of the latter actually

>>744630776
I specced her into elven cure blades and gave her Second Chance, she was my scaled fist dex/cha main tank so the bonuses to hit on every miss helped offset the crane wing defensive penalties. Curve blades being 2handed means you get 1.5x dex to damage from mythic finesse and the 2handed bonuses on mythic power attack She also gets great mileage out of the Cloak of Sweet Lies like this.
I think she ended up Dirge Bard 11/Mutation Warrior 6/Scaled Fist 2/Demonslayer 1 and she was untouchable on Core.

>>744631215
Yeah like one of the crit weapons for melee charges. I don't like mounted builds as a rule since managing them and the animal bugs out all the fucking time.

>>744631474
>Scaled Fist
Mmm

>>744631474
I thought crane wing didnt work unless you had the offhand free

>>744630968
>Digging through the entire reactivity log for each good path.
You're right and I have no idea why I have such vivid memories of that. I'm sorry.

>>744631543
It's not supposed to, but it's a bug that has existed since Kingmaker.

>>744631684
So does it always work then or is it only for 2 handers?

>>744631724
You can even sword and board with it, it's a broken feat.

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>>744631563
I humbly accept your apology

>>744631869
>>744631724
They already fixed it

>>744623115
while I hate the shoehorned nigger, why did the dark elves get hit too. They did nothing. Justice for my boys

Arue should be dorkier

>>744620270
Reddit writing

>>744632127
Probably because the actual dark elves are drow, as in, pitch black skin with white hair

>>744620376
This, the entire game revolves arou d giving your team buffs and either dountering or removing your enemie's buffs

>>744621910
>the story starts quickly with high stakes that feel unearned, there's no good build up
There's 20 hours before you get mythic powers and the game actually starts, if anything there's way too much buildup
>The gameplay is very shallow and superficial, you can't interact with anything around you, everything is a setdressing, I tried to mess around and climb on a roof and i couldn't even do that
It's an RPG not a fucking imsim
>the dungeons are designed in a very mundane and one dimensional way, so exploring them is just boring, its worse than Skyrim dungeons
Replay skyrim because every skyrim dungeon is a single winding path with no branches that opens up into a room sometimes.
Not reading the rest of your post since it's retarded

>>744627504
It's 2026, no one goes for that lame shit anymore

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>>744620270
I'm an absolute casual. Suggest me a thematically appropriate class that works on normal, please.

>>744620270
Long game with fun and a terrible combat system.

>>744634612
anything. seriously, people overthink their class decision when on normal and under literally anything will work. even shit like a summoning-focused class because summons are still useable on that difficulty. if you REALLY want to think about it go for a cavalier since mounted combat exists but only one companions kinda uses it.

>>744620270
I find it interesting many people who didn't like KM somehow ended up liking WotR despite it effectively being more of the same. Was it overly demonized timers?

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Canon KC is
>Aasimar
>Female
>Bard
>Chaotic Good
>Azata
>Romance Arue
>Ascension ending
>Impregnated with twins

>>744634690
>people say monster tactician sucks
>get all the teamwork feats that apply to your 10+ summoned creatures
>going aeon upgrades them to cause dispel and damage demons
>get yourself a fauchard and score crits from behind, causing attacks of opportunity for everyone
it's a meat grinder

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>>744634612
get some lads, get them falcions or fauchards, take power attack, combat reflexes, improved critical, and outflank, gz you won the game until Core.
BONUS ROUND: Do above, then take an arcane caster with selective spell and grease, then stinking cloud and communal delay poison with corrupter, gz you beat the game up until Unfair.

>>744620270
Owlcat performing olympian feats to uplift the pathfinder setting and ruleset. If you can get over the woke shit (which is mostly in the early game) and the terrible rule set the game us a decent rpg. Still, the pathfinder IP heavily fucks over this game.

>>744635650
problem with owlcat games is no one else does what they do so people who enjoy it are stuck with them and their quirks, like the management mini-game obsession.

>>744635702
I dont dislike the management stuff per se. I just think so far they have been undercooked so far. RT proved that it the IP holder forcing the woke shit in and Owlcat is decently competent at companion writting.

>>744634612
>casual
BATTLE ORACLE
ANGEL

or

DC CASTER
AZATA

>>744620270
Kingmaker was better

I never see any character sheets whenever I see these threads.

>>744637376
it itched a particular fantasy better

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>>744620270
self discovery

>>744630776
if you don't mind using toybox than dual wielding slayer or shifter (fiendflesh)

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>>744620270
>Sexiest character in the game
>not even a owlcat ooc

>>744623370
>Every WRPG starts like that.
kingmaker wasn't like that. you take over some shithole that is meant to become a puppet state and it becomes a nice place over the course of years.

>>744638517
But Cam Cam is an OC.

>>744638424
I could do slayer I guess, my main guy is already a claw user

>>744634776
a typical delusional tranny comment

>>744634776
is arue futa?

>>744639723
yes

The only attractive female companion in the game is a asexual reddit chungus scientist.

>>744640070
The amount of correction she wouldve needed is ungodly

>>744620376
I will never understand this complaint. If you need to buff for anything besides maybe boss fights you built your party wrong.

Can you somehow give the mc a do-over in model? It is so fucking ugly, are there mods with character models? Also can i go towards lich without being a big piece of shit or do i need to commit to it if i want the full power

>>744641736
You have to be a bitch to go full lich

>>744620270
A downgrade plot-wise and companions-wise over Kingmaker.

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How's Eldritch Archer in this game? In Kingmaker he was pretty strong, basically a wizard combined with a ranger, and you could do a full attack as a ranger, then throw a fireball as well on the same turn.

>>744640410
Perfect example of how to tell people you play on the lowest difficulty without directly saying it.

>>744620270
>ignore polshitter opinions
>ignore waifushitter opinions
A very fucking good time. Play the game without paying attention to their dogshit opinions

>>744623618
This is what a persecution complex looks like

Any anons have some advice for picking a race/class for Kingmaker for a first time player? I'm just going to go with the normal difficulty as I don't know about Pathfinder's systems overall. I've been thinking of doing it before WotR as the latter has a more epic scale of events and Kingmaker coming first. I have all the DLC for Kingmaker as far as I know. I'm most interested in playing
>Elf
>Aasimar
>Half Elf
>Human
from a a RP standpoint for first char. Classes there are a ton of options and some it seems you can only pick later with certain stats (Arcane Trickster, Eldritch Knight, Duelist, Aldori Swordlord - which is odd considering I thought Aldori focus was on dueling swords etc), but aside from some of those I was thinking maybe one of the
>Alchemist
>Druid
>Inquisitor
>Magus
>Paladin
>Ranger
>Rogue
>Sorcerer
>Fighter (specifically Aldori Defender?)
classes, not sure if basic or one of the variants in most cases. I like the idea of the Magus (and many of its variants) , Eldritch Knight, Aldori Swordlord but some of those seem to come later. I thought maybe starting as Aldori Defender may be an "easy" starting playthrough?

Also, any suggestions for
>Kingmaker Mods
I see there's a huge fucking portrait mod on Nexus which looks worthwhle given I was looking at the default ones and they literally just seem like other character portraits from the game (ie the dashing swashbuckler character seems to be the leader of that Varnhold's Lot DLC campaign). Any others worthwhile? or things I should know going into it?

>>744644372
Race depends on your class. As far as class goes I'd go for something charisma based since you're going to be a governor of a region.
So Paladin/Sorcerer/The cha based Magus subclass.

Haven't played Kingmaker in ages, if bubble buffs exists for it get that.

>>744645525
>As far as class goes I'd go for something charisma based since you're going to be a governor of a region.
This doesn't have to be a hard rule, though. Inquisitor has the Acolyte background which inverts Charisma and Wisdom for social check purposes, for example.

Eh, my most fun run was a female elf wich I was able to do a full BaB character, still casting nine, with the lich path. got second chance as a weapon and just went to town If I didnt want to cast too much. Hard dfficulty, fuck unfair.

Doing OP shenanigans like a sort of Golgari/asphodel commander was plenty fun,

>ctrl+f
>"woke"
>15 matches
This normalfag word needs to be wordfiltered already.

>>744647581
It's a 2016 word and using it 10 years later is like calling something gnarly in 2003.

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>>744639723
Nope, succubi can turn into men but she stopped being a succubus altogether, including the loss of her shapeshifting powers, he's just a larping tranny projecting his headcanon onto her. Oh and her banter with Nenio talking about the possible race of your children is male only, btw

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>>744642310
Probably fine, though for whatever reason people just don't seem to harp on about Magus like they did for Kingmaker.

>>744644372
I always like Aasimar Scaled Fist Monk, it's a CHA class so good for governance and the monk's unarmed idle animations will have him doing aerobics during throne room scenes which is always pretty funny. It's very strong and flexible for a martial too.

>>744642374
Some of them like to pretend that you don't need to prebuff on Core

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>>744638517
>>744652414
slop

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>>744652652
Yes

>>744638240
posted it again award

>>744652825
SLOP.

>>744653248
Shut the fuck up Sosiel it's just Numerian art

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>>744623115
Thank god the no fag mod is a seperate download. I dont want be locked into male romances if I play a female char.

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>>744620270
>what am I in for?

>>744620270
Pathfinder has no gameplay. As long as you make a good character by avoiding the trap options in character creation, you just attack move through the level after applying buffs. It’s so boring.

>>744654232
not reading all that russian bro

>>744654476
Thats hebrew my dude

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Wh40RT has so much cooler art and atmosphere, its not even close

>>744643931
A rare voice of reason.

>>744654231
>if I play a female char
You're already a fag troon, might as well embrace it.

>>744620270
Shadowrun dragonfall is a million times better and no one talks about that, drop that shit and go with it instead

>>744654756
>no one talks about that
Because it's dogshit, also buy an ad.

>>744620270
Balls hurt gay 3

>>744621507
Name one example of bad writing, tranny.

>>744654756
The shadow run games have no romances and you play weaklings who job to corporations and have no agency. Who would want to play garbage like that? WotR makes the PC powerful.

>>744654818
I would call you an owlcat employee, but you didn't reply with a 15 thousand words essay

>>744654941
Go watch Dragon Ball, Jose

>>744620270
Look up a build guide if you plan on playing anything above easy

>>744654639
The mythic paths is way better than whatever the alignment system is called in 40K though

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>>744654756
The gameplay is slow, boring and has no visceral feedback, and character building isn't anything special either

Now that we know Owlcat will be developing BG4, do you plan to play it?

>>744656004
All they said is that they would, not that they're actually doing it

>>744638517
Sexiest character in the game is Minagho

>>744642374
Nothing below unfair requires constant buffing

>>744657034
Everything above easy requires constant buffing.

>>744657171
No

>>744655408
>muh mythics
it has its moments but its takes place in generic fantasy world with marvel tier story, companions arent good either.

>>744657034
you didn't play the game

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>>744620270
Bugs.

>try magic deceiver azata
>it eclipses even merged casters bullshit wise and can absolutely annihilate any encounter
jesus fuck

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>>744620270
Great game but i would never recommend it because of bugs and because the engine runs like shit.

>>744659678
Magic deceiver is just great in general
Most fun caster in any crpg imo

>>744660371
ugly slop

>2 of 3 romanceable females are crazy bpd chicks
>the other is a succubus

who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>is that a... le dretch??
>the weakest demon out there??
>weaker than a boar??
>better give it 32AC DR 12/- and a +17 to saves
>and a screen wide cc

>>744634776
reminds me of that piece where Baphomet rapes the female aasimar KC

>>744645525
Ahh, if you're playing another sort of class is there a way to make up for it? I know the one Magus has native Sorc powers instead of Wizard powers, but even Aldori Defender seems to have Persuasion as a one of its core traits or whatever so I thought maybe that would work for the social stuff which of course I plan to focus on too. It does seem odd to have a lot of the game's management kingdom elements hobbled unless you play a Cha based class?

I don't see anything labeled bubble buffssFor mods (at least on Nexus, anywhere else worth checking out?) I see the highest ratings are for
>Bag of Tricks
which seems to be a lot of little tweaks and possibly cheats/hacks
>Respecialization
apparently the base game has no respec feature
>Portrait pack
I'm definitely getting at least the "Tier 1, best quality" versions since there are few portraits by default that aren't just other chars in the story!
>Mods to add new races/classes
Not sure if these are worth it but probably won't bother to start as there is enough of both etc.

>>744648871
Ah, I'll keep that in mind, I hadn't considered a Monk for an early playthrough.

>>744660496
Literally the only thing holding him back is his weak chapter 1 performance but by the gods does he grow into a god later
And even in chapter 1 the fused spells can annihilate all hardest encounters by completely cucking strong superbosses like that one summoned demon
Even the subclasses are great, i think living deity is insane in particular because of the auto-empower on lighting spells from wind revelation working with fused spells

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Alright it's been sitting in my library for a while and I finished Rogue Trader last week.
I played two campaigns of the pf2e TTRPG so I know the basics. I'm confident I can build functional characters, but I'm no optimization god.

What difficulty do I play on? From a quick glance, Core states it acts like how pf2e normally does, just with a few more enemies. Do that and maybe enable character retraining?

>>744621910
Its better about its start than kingmaker for sure.
In wotr you are brought into the city against your will, fall straight down into a hole, become a chosen one twice before you leave the hole, and then have no chance of fighting your way out of the city. With the city having the stakes of "If we blow up the world is covered in demons" and then while you are in the city you become the chosen one up to 4 more times, and that shits weird isn't it? And then you fight off the big bad in the city and get oromoted before you can leave.
You find out more of the hook by the middle of chapter 3.

>>744638643
Kingmaker starts with you being an adventurer and taking a job and getting told at the job briefing that you are going to be king of a place because the questgiver says so and because you hate the gnome whos bullying you.
Its worse than wotr in terms of forced unearned power.

>>744660695
>he's not going to pretend succubi are not popular

>>744661049
Casters generally struggle very early on unless they have a pet desu
Yeah all the subclasses are super cool, you can really tell owlcat ahd a lot of fun with the class and just tons of ideas

It took me like 12 attempts to make a decent sorcerer gish build. I mean its more dragon disciple than sorcerer at this point but at least it progresses 3 bloodlines and casts and uses a big weapon properly.

>>744662147
Wouldnt sorc 16 and dd 4 be best if you care about bloodlines and casting? Dd stops giving you much past that level

>>744662418
I used air elemental bloodline with bloodline ascemsion to make my electricity ignore immunity and turn all attacks electric, copper dragon bloodline to level all the way through dragon disciple, and mythic second bloodline abyss for extra strength abilities that levels on any bloodline class. Then took all 10 levels of dragon disciple for balanced stats before going back to sorcerer for more spells.

>>744661546
>you are going to be king of a place because the questgiver says so and because you hate the gnome whos bullying you
you very obviously didn't pay attention

>>744661546
the only problem with kingmaker is how the country who actually holds the territory is just a-okay with the pc declaring it a separate kingdom partwya through the game
that is absurd and nonsense and no country ever gives up territory for nothing willingly, not even territory that they arent using. you should have to fight them tooth and fucking nail in an immense war for independence

>>744663392
Did they have an actual claim on that part of the stolen lands? Also the country which experiences some kind of magical catastrophe every other week is probably not that appealing.

>>744627320
>planescape torment
i mean
the game absolutely is a 'chosen one' gimmick with world-ending stakes, it just doesnt TELL you that until the last 10% of the game, so does that really count?

>>744663517
they claim it insofar they say its theirs but thats how literally every single other country claims other land too. they do have a token presence in it prior to the PC getting there

>>744663192
>player: well we're all here
>amiri: why are we here
>aldori: youre going on an expedition into the bad woods and the reward is your own kingdom
>player: well I don't want to be king can I get something else
>aldori: youre a greedy sonofabitch your own kingdom isnt enough fine we'll throw a banquet on your coronation
>*every companion says they dont want to be king*
>tutio or whatever his fucking name is: I gnomeman will obviously be leader and king
>lindsey: well nobody wants you to be king make player the leader they're a natural!
>player: but I don't want to be king
>*castle gets attacked*
>tutio: player is a traitor
>*did literally nothing wrong*
>aldori: well whoever kills the staglord is king so figure it out.

>>744663749
the whole premise of the game is built on the 'do this task for us and we'll give you governship over this area'. it makes no sense to make a character who DOESNT want to rule

>>744663749
Again, you didn't play the game, the entire point is getting your own BARONY (not a kingdom). That's why all the adventurers are there (that includes you) Jamandi essentially wants her own puppet to give her an edge against the Surtovas, and you are picked as leader because she comes to the conclusion that you and Tartuccion stood out among the rest, everything is properly explained, play the game

>>744663839
Yeah but the issue is nobody knowing what the quest or reward is before they fucking show up and having no option to bow out. I get that its top secret that they want you to basically steal the lamd as a power play, but if everybody was established to be a superbadass who went there knowing the reward was land and a title, instead of giving the player the roleplay option to not want to be king (because the tabletop version was designed with only one player in the party getting the title), then it would actually be part of the set-up. If I want to play a reluctant hero the plot shouldn't start with "you're going to quit adventuring and be king because I want to make a powerplay and I'm obviously blatantly openly using you as a pawn" it should give a better reason for the player charactef to desire that outcome in universe rather than player outside of the game knowing what the title of the game is.

>>744663897
Anon It's the first 5 minutes of the game, I've had this argument before. The barbarian chick straight up asks "why the fuck are we here, the notice asked for great warriors and said nothing else"

why the fuck can't i romance nenio

How good is the court poet for a caster heavy party? Planning to run MC, Daeran, Ember and Nenio at the same time which means all of them should benefit from it, and i will probably reclass Arue into it.

>play a game called kingmaker
>nooooooooooooooooooooo I don't wanna be a king!!!!
why do autists like this guy play video games? Go, play the tabletop game, that's where you get all the freedom you like

>>744664359
I like the reluctant hero trope and have no ability to roleplay a character with griffith level ambition.

>>744664316
Took 1000 fox dicks back home for "research", then decided it wasn't wirthwhile for her book so she forgot all about them.

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>>744664316
Deliberately to troll you, because devs knew you would want to. Her whole character is a dunk on RPG turbo nerds and min-maxers.

>>744664513
>Her whole character is a dunk on RPG turbo nerds and min-maxers
You wish she was, she's just the lead writer's waifu and someone she finds genuinely hilarious, she isn't "dunking" on anything

>>744620270
The main story is great
The romances are great if you don't mind being the girl/guys first sex

the game play is shit and youll be so OP by act 5 that you wont want to finish the remaining for 30 hours of the game.
You get insanely busted spells at the 9th level that delete every enemy even bosses in one turn even on the highest difficulties.

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>Daeran's wildest dreams are about fucking Galfrey, his own cousin
Ourguy

>>744664674
>you don't mind being the girl/guys first sex
you don't mind *not* being the girl/guys first sex

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>>744654756
Shadowrun games are actually a very lightweight introduction into CRPGs that are often overlooked.

>>744620270
I can't get passed the awful models and writing to play the game for more than an hour. Why is owlcat so fucking bad at everything?

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>>744652825
BEGONE, THOTT

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>>744664868
This is how you actually write a redeemed succubus and she's actually a virgin.

>>744664724
They’re pretty distant cousins no?
Pretty sure it’s more of a power thing than an incest thing

>>744664774
For games like this the only way to find a virgin waifu in the game is to make one and have her get corrupted by sluts and mansluts.

when is that weeb game coming out that's published by owlshart
that one actually looks interesting

>>744665001
>yet another PST larper who didn't actually play the game

>>744620270
Some bullshit about angels and demons. And it's gay.

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>>744665076
Shadow of the Road? They also published Rue Valley, a Disco Elysium wannabe.

>>744665305
yeah the shadow one

>>744620270
reddit companions, dogshit story, imbalanced monsters, glacial pacing

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>>744665076
>>744665305
That reminds me. Another IP I'd like Owlcat to take a crack at.

>>744626862
>>744627661
Aeon allows you to forcefully correct her, undoing her transformation and turning her back into a man. She kills herself by jumping off a cliff later.

>>744665086
FFG is a chaste virgin. She satiates herself by debate and emotions and only agrees to kiss TNO because he's immortal.
Arue is a cartoonishly evil sex manic who gets a slap on the wristband decides she's better off being an kawaii anime girl instead.

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>>744665763
All you know from Grace is that she wasn't raped by her baatezu slavers, at no point is she ever stated to be a virgin, she also never killed an innocent so she has nothing to redeem herself for. You, like most of the so called PSTfags that cry about Arueshalae, didn't play the game, you just pretend you did because it's the epic boomer CRPG and you think it gives you street cred to pretend you did

>>744664868
Blondes are so much better.

>>744665270
He does sas they’re distant cousins
If galfrey was just some hot older woman entirely unrelated to him he’d be just as horny

>>744666008
Annah is also a virgin btw

>>744666226
>also
Nice sneak, but yes, Annah is a virgin and kissless too, irrelevant to what we're talking about though

>>744665681
That sounds wayyyy too based for owlcat to actually implement, considering they are a bunch of faggots

>>744667319
i am convinced that somewhere deep in owlcat is a handful of ultra-chuds holding the line and sneaking shit like this in their games when the supervisors arent looking

>>744667319
He's lying, Aeon doesn't do anything to Anevia, she does die in the Aeon ending but the game still uses female pronouns, and the death has nothing to do with the Aeon itself, just a side-effect of closing the Worldwound

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My favorite dream game is
>JRPG character and artstyle
>CRPG story branching and gameplay

>>744668146
Play in Baldurs Gate 2 with dungeon meshi portrait pack.

>>744664774
Quite honestly this is excusable in Arue's case. She tells a lot about what being a demon is, basically zero self awareness and being a slave to their instincts, and she seemingly spent more time just outright ruining and mangling people before Desna gave her self awareness.

>>744667403
Then contrary to what others are saying, sounds like you get to kill her to me
So I'm happy, who cares

>>744669634
You don't kill her, she just dies on her own while your character is busy not existing

>>744667319
>>744667396
Anevia dies as a man because in a world without the worldwound they'd have never met Irabeth and thus drank the gender bender potion. This was alluded to in an earlier conversation when Anevia admits that without meeting Irabeth they'd have died in a ditch somewhere a long time ago.

>>744669937
>as a man
the ending still uses female pronouns

>>744669986
because its the same character, they don't physically transition without Irabeth selling her family sword for a gender bender potion.

>>744669986
That's obviously for convenience and storytelling, but it's the same NPC you've known all along.
Do you really expect Owlcat to edit a portrait for one ending slide? That's what mods are for.

Why did they have to make arue some weird crippled ranger subclass?
I get that a high charisma sorc or bard would be a bit strong maybe but surely there were other options

>>744670732
She's a ranger in the AP and it ties into her being a spy for the Crusaders.

>>744620270
Overhyped, dated, wall of text, ass

>>744670732
Her subclass is actually decently strong as a targeting system, giving her a fairly unique niche within the party. But i just reclass her to a bard because thematically she is absolutely one.

>>744670859
>actually decently strong as a targeting system
or you could just grab a demonslayer and get the exact same thing without needing to rely on instant enemy so much

Bwos drimos death curse bugged out swarm clone number 3 so I think I have to redo arena.

>>744620270
Slop

>>744670814
No she isn't, she's a succubus master spy with 3 ranks on trickster

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>>744620270
>play as fem KC
>romance daeran
It felt so gay experiencing hetero romance from females perspective

>>744669414
Noooooooo a sucubus not being a virgin is woke propaganda made by jews!

How cool for a lack of a better term is legend? Angel and Gold Dragon both had some very hype moments.

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>>744672254
Kino

Seelah is bro tier

>>744672334
Neat.
I always forget how weird Regill looks…

>>744672424
She's just kinda boring and with suboptimal feats. I would rather have Regill in my party.

>>744672529
She’s a paladin with high charisma and probably a mount
She mogs the gnome hard

>>744672529
>level 1 character
>suboptimal feats

>>744672609
You can give Regill a raptor and you literally can't get more based than this.

>>744672680
Yes, she already has 2 shitty feats.

>>744620270
woke slop

Has anyone actually made a gnome or halfling knight commander?
The mental image alone is absurd

>>744620376
Really this. So many fucking buffs and I LIKE BUFFS.
You know it's bad when there's a mod specifically for setting partywide buffs to a button.

Besides that I really prefer the 5/6 niggas in a group as opposed to BG3's 4. Also the camp dialogues are actually more fleshed out in WotR. I loved stopping and watching the party banter.

Regill best asshole.

>>744672847
Why not? Give him an animal companion. Nobody is going to mess with someone riding a hyppogriff even if he's a gnome.

>>744672960
The amount of party banter on rest is genuinely impressive, i have like 500 hours in the game but i don't think i have heard everything.

>>744672960
>You know it's bad when there's a mod specifically for setting partywide buffs to a button.
Many games have mods made for and by retards too inept to play the game, doesn’t mean thery're in any way necessary.

>>744672424
lol no, she's Shaniqua tier
Looks like a female black version of Erling Haaland

>>744673203
...But we like Erling Haaland.

>>744657171
constant is the key word. you will need minimal buffs for the harder trash encounters on core. also, it's much more forgiving than kingmakers equivalent. if you genuinely complain about wotr on core you probably just suck.

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>>744672334
It's time to play kino again

I want to make a CC mage: no damage at all, just illusions and mindfucking people over
can someone give me a rough draft of a build?

>>744669414
Arue basically virginifies herself because her whole thing is rebirth. Her align changes to chaotic good and she grows her hymen back.

Almost the samething with Wenduag since she has loving sex with you for the first time her in life. Not the same as raping Lann or being raped by Hosilla.

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>>744673860
You already have two of those, camelia and ember. Just play a witch or shaman.

>>744673860
Just do the same thing every caster does, pick spell penetration, spell focus, etc. The mythic equivalents, and that one mythic abilitiy that makes illusions stronger, find all the gear that increase the DC of illusions spells and equip it

>>744674265
She realistically can't do that because of her wings so they just got rid of them for that animation

>>744673860
Don't because as soon as you get Weird the game is broken. It's too tempting not to use it and it just wipes every single encounter in on the first turn.

In fact, kill Nenio immediately so she doesn't get it either.

>>744674554
Dream world, nigga. Ain't gotta explain shit.

Does galfrey get any cute scenes in the masks dlc

>>744664316
She actually offers to fuck you in one of her experiments in act 4. You pull down your pants and she starts to draw your penis in her encyclopedia and then forgets about actually having the sex right after.

Not joking this actually happens.

>>744673860
Magic Deceiver. There's no other CC caster as strong as him.
Any archetype is good, living deity is the best but chronomancer is also awesome because you straight up double your resources per rest.
Since Deceiver has no metamagic, you don't need metamagic feats. Since Deceiver has no need for spell penetration (early on you fuse spells with no spell resistance check, later you add religion bonus to spell penetration and it's a massive MASSIVE boost), either, you have a huge freedom with your feats. I would take the ambushing spells one (forgot the exact name, -2dc on flat footed enemies) and max out several caster schools - enchantment and transmutation in particular.

Why Deceiver exactly? Well, you can fuse spells and execute both effects at once. And as long as the "carrier" (first spell) hits the enemy, the enemy gets subjected to a second effect too, even if theoretically they shouldn't work on them. This means slow + hold person turns into mass hold monster - a level 9 spell at third level. Remember gargoyles? Use a no-spell resistance carrier with blind as payload and cuck their sky high AC. Undeads are annoying? Turn them into dogs since it also dumps their charisma they use for their health. Some enemy is swimming in buffs? Combine dispel and arcana theft, and now you have all these buffs instead. It can make himself pseudo-Weird and custom tailor it for the weakest enemy saves. On first level you can do aoe stun with no spell resistance. You wiil never want to play another caster.
Oh, and they sacrifice nothing in terms of damage either because they can fuse chain lighting with disintegrate or any other effect.

Since they are level 6 casters technically, you just need two abundant spell mythic feats. They are great elemental barrage users too because they can fuse two elemental spell types, this includes sonic damage which is barely resisted by anything.

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I just started a playthrough. I want to go Devil path. What am I in for?

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Has anyone tried the Wokeless Wrath mod? I don't enjoy the idea of executing .bat files to install it

>>744678193
Unfinished content that would have been better off being cut entirely

>>744678193
Disappointment.
Does too little, takes too long to get to and the way you achieve it is narratively stupid.

>>744678193
Uh..pretty sure that's not a good thing for a first playthrough. I think it has less content than others and it requires taking other mythic paths first and then doing very specific things, very carefully.

>>744676785
You gon' get raped

>>744678193
trooning out

>>744674554
yes she can. just wrap the wings around her or lay on her wings' elbows come on it's 4 armed people logistics. I hate when wings are only props and not actual limbs.

>>744678396
It works just fine, as long as you're not on windows 11

>>744678193
playing as another mythic path for 90% of the game and when you finally get to be a devil you barely have any content

>>744664868
>>744664931
>>744665001
>>744665086
>>744665763
I finally finished this last month and was hugely disappointed at how little content this succ got. She was barely a party character at all, more like an NPC that you could get to tag along with you.

>>744680863
There's a reason why 90% of the fanart is of Annah, you spend a good chunk of the game with her, Morte and Dak'kon, the rest of the party feels like an afterthought

>>744680863
The concept of a virgin succubus who forgoes physical pleasures for cerebral ones is an amazing concept and fit the world of Torment like a glove, but FFG has very little depth beyond that.
I forgive it though because for 1999 she was massively ahead of her time.

>>744681089
>virgin succubus
Post proof that Grace is a virgin, I'm still waiting

>>744675636
taking notes
thanks anon

>>744674981
Oh thank god