Fuck this post just reminded me I forgot to play an event in a game and it’s over now fuuuuuuuuuck

>>744621128
That's just a sign the game isn't fun though

>>744621128
They are either trolls or are high af
You see all the time in League of Legends ranked play

>>744621317
I’d argue going off-meta just requires higher game knowledge and effort to be effective (since you are effectively doing all the theory-crafting and building yourself) but casuals think they should just be able to play at the too level with whatever random shit without any thought behind making it useful.
No one gets angry about an off-meta strategy that actually works, if anything it tends to dominate like the odd time when a wonky deck makes it into a Magic tournament

>>744621128
thats the problem with solved games
they all end up boring to play

>>744621570
I think the problem is that there's little room for experimentation because if going off-meta doesn't work out your teammates get mad at you, if there are any, and playing in more casual settings isn't a good enough test to see if it's viable when people are tryharding. Rarely someone may find something off-meta that is so good the developers nerf it specifically so that people are stuck with the usual meta instead which essentially strips people of their creativity-derived fun and makes it limited.
OP's image is a reference to MOBAs though and MOBAs are actual atrocious garbage so it's whatever

>>744621752
I mostly play RTS but there are loads of times when off-meta strats work if you have strong game knowledge and can take advantage of the situation.

>>744621128
>Every single summon user in dark souls.

>>744621914
I can't really imagine a lot of use cases where the off-meta in an RTS is fun and I've played a fair share of singleplayer vs AI games in a bunch of them myself, I think it's the most fun when the opponent has no idea how to deal with the off-meta because he's only been dealing with the meta up until that point, the genuine confusion when they're trying to stick to routine but it doesn't work out

>>744621128
Sounds like it's a bad game. TF2 even post-nerfs is a perfectly acceptable playground for dogshit and useless equips. Just getting 1 single Bison kill for the entire match is enjoyable.

>>744621343
Why would anyone play that?

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>>744621128
>rage and cry in chat as soon as they lose
that's what metafags do

>>744621128
He's literally me! Also, you will unironically get it when you're older.

>>744625798
/thread

>>744625798
An underlevelled retard trying to group into what seems to be an endgame area is pretty retarded yeah

there's a middle ground between a metafag tranny and a scrub nigga
and that's where the actual (true) fun is

The problem with meta is that you're robbing part of the experience. Yeah no shit most off meta sucks. You've become so neurotic about performance that you're afraid of actually playing the game.

>>744621128
The dude playing for fun is having fun while the two metafags are just seething

>>744628681
nane ONE game where this is true

>>744628251
I'm 40 and I'll literally try to dumpster people in competitive games
I just like winning ;)

Meta is only a thing in competitive games that are poorly designed and or have rpg mechanics.
In fighting games that are well designed meta dosent matter until your top 300 in the world tournament level play.
I play dhalism one of the worst characters in the game and reliably beat top tiers.

>>744621128
It's because they're just hypocrites who just want easy wins at the end of the day. You can bet they smurf too. These types of people shouldn't even be playing multiplayer games

>>744629154
you already lost the competitive game of creating a loving family though

So long as your game is actually compelling and not theme park garbage you'll rarely run into this issue even with datamining which has always existed to all of the fake nostalgia fags skulking around

>>744629154
I don't believe you even for a second. Some things just change regardless of one's personality type.

>>744621128
>I want to play multiplayer games like a single player game
Why not just play single player games then?

>>744621128
>2006
>world of warcrap
>im playing a mage, level 60
>literally wearing full ironweave, because there's no fucking spelldamage gear at this point in time
>(before any of you niggers say otherwise, the later patches of '06 added a lot of spelldamage cloth gear, but we didnt have that shit beforehand)
>im doing UBRS (that leeroy jenkins dungeon) with a bunch of fags
>the tank dies because the healer has no mana, fag didnt believe in buying mana potions
>i literally tank a bunch of adds, as a mage, wearing my high-ish armor cloth gear set
>that, along with having plenty of potions, and abusing Blink, allows me to keep these shits busy long enough for us to finish off the boss
doing unintended shit is the mark of a true gamer, only a robotic autist with 0 personality would argue against it

>>744629513
This is the real answer

>>744629595
To bad classic wow is solved down to the electron now. Mmos will never have this sense of self discovery anymore since they're datamined and solved day 1

The main issue is that the casual elitist fucking sucks. They have a power fantasy of showing up the metafag with their original donut builds, but 999 times out of a thousand it's just them getting dumpstered before getting so bootyblasted they make images like >>744625798

It's genuinely exhausting.

>>744621128
Metafags are a cancer and people who play for fun are based.

>"just having fun bro fucking metafags"
>look inside
>he just copied some trannytuber "dude LE FUNNY" build where he cherrypicked the few times he did well for le epic moments montage

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I'll never get enough of how genuinely furious the OG image makes people. No, 99 times out of 100 the wizard is not some bold innovator with an interesting new idea, he's an idiot who decided of his own free will to step into a ranked competitive environment with zero interest in treating it as a competitive environment and not respect anyone else's time.

Ranked team matchmaking is not the place for your super cool new idea that you haven't labbed as much as you made up on the spot just now because you're bored.

>>744621128
>>744632042
not my problem. it's a game, you're supposed to have fun

>>744625798
>The raped, image

Moba and "competitive" team games are for 12 year old fortnite zoomers now.
If a game doesn't encourage personal skill expression it might as well be called a prison.

>>744629121
Rust

>devs make new content with metafag builds in mind further killing any build diversity and making said content impossible or unfun unless you follow a build guide
I hate what gaming has become.

>>744621128
The wizard has a point tho.

>>744632042
If the guy was put into your match by the ranked matchmaking, them yeah it's his place. If he is playing with you it means he has a ranked close to yours, which means he reached that ranked playing his goofy build, which means he is capable of winning with it at that level of play.

>>744632042
>No, 99 times out of 100 the wizard is not some bold innovator with an interesting new idea, he's an idiot who decided of his own free will to step into a ranked competitive environment with zero interest in treating it as a competitive environment and not respect anyone else's time.

>Ranked team matchmaking is not the place for your super cool new idea that you haven't labbed as much as you made up on the spot just now because you're bored.
It actually sounds like you are the furious one here.

>>744629704
>>744621128
Seethe more OP

>>744621128
>Playing ESO 7-8 years ago
>Go into the DLC PVP zone to grab the PvE and skill leveling content
>With my half-assed PvE Sustain tank build that's nice for Solo Dungeon Play
>Run into a pair of actual PVP built dudes
>Manage to hold out for a full five minutes
Still proud of that, despite the loss.

>>744632758
This. Insane that people so braindead they even think to cope about this aspect of it. Meta usually changes by skill level, too. A fuckhead glued to a guide doesn't even learn the meta, really.

This is why the separation of comp and casual players was a good thing. Comp play should be gatekept behind things like finding a team and using irc to organize with self hosted scrim servers. The main game mode should always be casual public servers to keep casuals where they belong. The default being ranked has ruined video games

>>744621128
Matchmaking and forcing longform 20-40 minute autism matches just isn't fun and doesn't respect your time or enjoyment.
>>744621570
Literally everyone gets mad at at off-meta strategies and starts being uncooperative or outright feeding before you can even succeed, because to most people it represents more wasted time.
>>744632042
The thing that makes or breaks team games is mostly communication and cooperation, so being an uncommunicative, uncooperative fuck is more likely to drag people down.
The wizard will ascend, the people who waste time shitting on him will descend.

>>744633981
Matchmaking ruined this.
Matchmaking would just dump tryhards who aren't playing ranked into casual matches anyway and encourage a general air of distrust and derision.
Games need dedicated servers and a browser with no matchmaking slop.

Me personally I like to do WACKY!!! builds and play (throw) until I get to the lowest MMR possible then I get to shitstomp n00btards, gamerdads, and kids. It's so much fun. Everyone on my team malds on my way down, then the other team malds once I'm there. If you're bad at games you're not human. You're fodder for my next frag movie. LMFAO!

Games with a "meta" are unfun piece of crap and seeing how you seethe about people playing the game like it's not a full time job make me relieve at the fact these games act as containment for your kind

>>744621914
>I mostly play RTS
stopped reading here
your opinion does not matter in this conversation

>>744629646
>classic wow is solved down to the electron now
except that it's not, and you're the exact type of faggot that OP is complaining about

>>744633992
>Literally everyone gets mad

Incorrect. It's literally just you and your retarded metafag friends. No one else cares.

>>744621128
if you are too stupid to understand meta, then maybe videogames are too much for you.

A game is a finite set of rules made by a human, you should be able to reverse engineer its rules and make them your bitch.

If you can't, better go read books or watch movies.

>>744634604
I understand that the meta is not reading posts, but you are actually agreeing with me.

>>744632042
Being unable to play off meta makes you a complete scrub that has no place in ranked. That's the real issue, you don't actually know how to play anymore. Only thing you're owed is a performance that matches the skill level.

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>>744632042
I feel like anyone going into a Ranked match not knowing what to do is just asking to get raped and gaped, but the issue I feel is that even in Unranked you'll have situations where someone may want to try a new build or experiment and they still get yelled at for not following the meta during a casual match. How the fuck are you supposed to get proper comprehension of what you're buying if you just flowchart everything someone else gives you? How can new builds be formed by anyone but the top echelon when everyone's expected to be running the top's builds? I certainly agree this shouldn't be done in Ranked unless the player has actually tried the build out and found it effective before in prior matches but OP's image implies anyone trying anything ranked or not is throwing on purpose

>>744634636
And in the real world, meta is just some youtuber making a tier list and people shouting at something placed in B tier.

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>>744621128
I don't have it but the one image that shows
>Le wacky gamer
>stoned zone
>hard-core
>normal
Btfos this shit every time. Do not play mp games that don't have server browsers. Mmo bosses/raids are often stat/ gear checks and if you're doing wacky builds on purpose it's because you're bored and want a challenge and are already so good that it wouldn't matter half the time or a scrub trying to get by with minimal gear. Either way it's fun and a lesson in showing where your skill gaps can be
>yeah I can do ToB in torva with a scythe but if you ask me to try anything else other than BiS I will literally not be able to adjust and piss and shit myself and throw worse than someone actively trying
If you play league/smite/dota/etc you shouldn't be classified as human as you are not a sentient being and i hope that you get someone that throws on purpose with no wacky build every game to actively spite you.

Meta fags are almost unanimously addicts who have lost any sense of humanity looking for their next hit trying to run shit as fast as possible. Not saying there isn't a time and place for it but next to cheaters ruining lobbies you are the next worse thing

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The off-meta is in most cases just a cope. Self-sabotage so you can pull the card "You're a tryhard" or "I play for fun" and pretend that you don't care, when in fact if you didn't care you wouldn't be seething about it. Just another example of not earnestly engaging with the game.

That being said, meta usually doesn't fall from the heavens as a given, but it's instead discovered by people that are willing to theorycraft, experiment and iterate. Dogmatic metadrones are somehow even more pathetic in how they treat it as gospel failing to understand this. You will never have true mastery if you outsource the thinking and understanding.

>>744635342
It's one of the clearest double-edged swords there are. Most people are shit at identifying what off meta picks are bad and good. Especially those people who never delve into the off meta territory.

>>744635342
this. you're supposed to watch youtube guides and read the wiki and copy whatever is the most popular meta. that's what playing a game is all about

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>>744621128
>>744625798
there is a very easy solution to that but faggots aren't ready to accept it

>>744629361
If you were actually there you'd know that the existence of gamefags didn't automatically turn every single person that plays a video game into a minmax sweat which by contrast today is the default state for all player even the most casual.

>>744635496
Every game that has Matchmaking + Server Browser inevitably has 99% of the population in Matchmaking.
For example, every MOBA.

>>744635572
i think that's because 99% of MOBA players are retarded (low estimate)

> Devs put in FOMO to boost MAU
> Players respond to artificial urgency with optimisation
> Devs balance the game around new optimisation
> Players respond by optimising even harder
> Devs balance the game around new optimisation
> Player respond by optimising even harder
> You que for your first dungeon as a newbie tank
> You make basic mistakes and have less than perfectly optimised trash pulls
> Everyone chimps out at you for "not knowing how to play the game"

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>>744621128
>casual, just playing “for fun”
>PVE
>make "fire build"
>napalm does shit damage against enemies
>napalm blinds the shit out of teammates
>focus on blinding and disorienting teammates
>still somehow get the most kills and highest score
Huh?

>co-worker wants to play too
>easily gets headaches and dizzy from gayming
>have other co-worker make a nuke build for maximum screen shaking
>blind the shit out of him with fire
>make his screen constantly shake with nukes going off

>>744635765
>Player has learned the meta
>Player encounters guy that has an old build further optimized through trial and error
>Player doesn't actually know what to do with guy's build
>Player burst out in anger because that's the only way he knows how to react to his own ignorance
>Make a thread on 4chan about off meta picks
Many such cases

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Nobody cares if you run off meta on your own time or in QP
People get mad if you run off meta in ranked because all things else being equal, you alone are the reason why their number is going down. Most multiplayer games are not gracious enough that you can tough out a 4v5.
>but I'm good enough to carry my weight!
Sure you are.

>>744635765
GW2 is literally unplayable when it comes to dungeon content because of this

>>744636210
Some people get mad at off meta because they don't know if it's good or bad. That's actually the whole dynamic. Worst are the people who sabotage because they're too afraid to see which way it goes.

>>744636210
Games shouldn't even allow you to queue up "ranked" unless you have a full premade

>>744636335
I don't fully get the tap out immediately personally, but if it's halfway through the game and the brewer has achieved nothing but feed the enemy I don't see any reason to not surrender.

>>744636503
Anon, you only get matched with teammates if you choose not to queue as a full premade.

>>744636210
off meta is a completely valid strategy because most metafags are just following a youtube guide and dont know how to fight it

>>744636565
That's valid.

>>744636623
Especially if you're premade and building a strat that has nothing to do with meta.

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>>744621128
i do this but im way better then my team mates, if I played normal I would just carry them and thats not fair for my opponents. The whole point is to stay in a mmr bracket where I can do ramdomno shit and still win 50% of my games. If I just played meta every game I would boost my mmr to a level where I can only win by playing meta. Who would want that? Someone obsessed with a number to justify 'time played' instead of having a good time. If you only play to win tthen you only have fun 50% of the time!

>>744621914
off meta only works in rts because your opponent has no idea what he is up against and then he never sees you again.

>>744632758
"if someone is ranked the same as you that means they can do anything and not be throwing" is not a sensible conclusion to make

>>744633992
The wizard is the one chimping out at any attempt at communication because someone asked him to consider the team and change his strategy. If the wizard started out saying he was going to do something unconventional and asked for support, that might be different, but that's rarely how it is, it's some rando doing some bullshit and predictably dumpstering because they're forcing it.

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>>744636623
I always see these posts but I don't think this is even true regardless of game.
If it's assfaggots, unless you're getting completely knowledge checked by going against a character you've never seen before, you likely have at the bare minimum an idea of what they do and what to look for (Don't get hit by the skillshot, stay out of AoE circle, watch for ult that does some bullshit). There's nothing you can really do that would catch someone way off guard to the point where they don't know how to deal with it.
In fighting games, you can find the scrub button and hope your opponent can't adapt in time, like spamming a plus on block but sidesteppable move in Tekken, but that shit doesn't fly once you reach the ranks where lateral movement comes into play.
In card games, most major games have enough powercreep that you have to be an exceptionally skilled deck builder to not get fucking mowed down by whatever is top dog in MTG or Yugioh, where both games are now extremely explosive while still being reactive and flexible. Best you can do is punk someone in Bo1 when you both win the coinflip and they brick and don't draw into answers.

Beyond that, who's watching even youtube guides anymore other than complete newcomers who don't understand the basic mechanics yet or looking up quick combo guides?

I don't mind games telling me how to play. I enjoy overcoming challenges.
What I DO mind however is games telling me how I should FEEL when playing. Don't try to guilt trip me for shooting enemies, it's fucking fiction. I'll do what I want.

>>744636810
You really can't lump all off meta together like that.

>>744632042
huh, it's almost like ranked matchmaking in team-based competitive games is a recipe for disaster and should be avoided at all cost be people with high IQ?
oh, you are still playing games with this shit? sorry to break it to you, but you are simply a retard. but not any retarded: you are so retarded that you are unable to grasp it. you are like a little pig waltzing into the slaughter machine
>oink oink why did the pig in front of me squeal so loud? can't he just be silent like me???

>>744635089
>OP's image implies anyone trying anything ranked or not is throwing on purpose
Is it implying that? It's showing someone instantly freaking out the second someone asks him to change his strategy when it's clearly losing the game for his entire team. that's an entire genre of guy. if someone sees this and feels attacked for ever going off-meta I feel like that's saying something about them.

>>744636974
>who's watching even youtube guides anymore
literally fucking everyone

>>744636974
There's genuine cheese in MOBAs like there's in RTS. It's attempted rarely enough that seems like you're not familiar with this. You don't need a normal laning phase.

>>744621128
There is a difference between playing what's fun and playing what's meta. Usually meta tends to be incredibly rigid and stale, while the game might have tons of fun options in-between that don't sacrifice any integrity besides not being the "Top" option. This is why most metafags also get clowned on, because it's almost a religious following of specific trends solely due to them being meta. I tend to study or otherwise know what's meta, but my entire gameplan doesn't revolve around playing what's meta 24/7.

>>744637027
>https://youtu.be/F8CJezPcCuc

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>>744629595
damn bro ur telling me a mage...could kite mobs...in classic wow? NO WAY BRO!!!! what an off-meta class mechanic! only a god gamer could have pulled something like that off

>>744637084
In all of the above I listed a guide won't help you once you know what your character/deck does.

Fuck metafags AND fuck casualfags
Actually fuck anyone who plays video games, period

>>744635765
>guy has played game for 10,000 hours
>gets matched with a guy whos played for 10 seconds

theres your problem

>>744621570
>but casuals think they should just be able to play at the too level with whatever random shit without any thought behind making it useful.
And now you're starting to realize why all pvp games are being dumbed down or turned into autoplay.

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>>744637282
Trvthspacelaser. Fuck videogames. We only post on /v/ to plap and goon.

>>744621570
>No one gets angry about an off-meta strategy that actually works
If only that was the case

>>744625798
Left is clearly about MOBAs while right is trying to make it about MMOs. The analogy doesn't work the same for both genres.

>>744629646
Unironically something AI could fix once devs put a bit of skull sweat in.
Can't easily map out a giant-ass world and every dungeon in it with tacticool precision and drop every new player who hasn't yet grinded out every immunity item to its foes, etc when shit gets recreated and mixed up with every server reset.

>>744637058
If you are familiar with the meta of this conversation, it is implying that. People generally should complain about underperformance rather than off-meta

>playing off meta in a single player game for a challenge
>go online and explain that I'm doing a challenge run where I don't use x but I'm stuck at some part and has anyone tried using y there?
>every reply is people asking why I don't use x or telling me there's no reason to ever use y because x is better
even better is that some people will get angry and say things like "dude why are you asking for advice if you won't listen to the answer" while completely ignoring the fact that you're trying to win with an off meta strategy.

>>744637721
I find going off-meta is a bigger problem in MMOs, and it correctly points out how oppressive meta can be in MMOs.

>>744636328
GW2's problem is that a good player with a good build is 20x more useful than a bad player with a bad build.

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i'm feeding but it's fun for me so it's okay

>>744637795
thats retarded and something devs could theoretically do long before ai. hell, retail wow already tried doing randomized dungeons and they sucked ass

the average player is better than ever at wow. look at retail, every single dungeon is completely solved in a matter of days. by week 2 of an expansion if you dont know the layout and route of every brand new dungeon you are already behind. in classic the meta is even easier

>>744637331
XIV does it right.
WoW does not.

XIV does it right because the 10k guy who duty roulettes sees Sastasha and "One or more party members are new to this duty." He already knows the score and adjusts his attitude right then and there.

WoW does it wrong because the 10 seconds guy is thrown into Timewalking grindfest (likely because that's the only dungeon finder option that had reasonable que time even as a tank) and is suddenly told to keep up.

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>I played a Mainstream Monoculture Online and got booted for freethink!
shocking

>>744635572
>Every marshmallow test where the marshmallow is presented ends with 99% of the population eating the marshmallow instead of waiting for a second one
Just don't offer matchmaking, it is literally that easy. The average person has the willpower and spine of the cheese strings that they are likely currently eating by the handful.

>>744621128
>you must follow the meta that applies to the top 1% of the competitive playerbase!!
>what do you mean I'm in the same rank as you when you're playing meme shit and I'm tryharding????
>ELO HELLL AIEEEEE

>>744621128
Uh, you didn't beat the game chud, don't you know the intended tools the devs gave you to play it with are easy mode?

>>744629121
dota

this reminds me of when i played ragnarok online and some people swore up and down that battle priest was good

>>744632758
>>744633614
retards.
let me explain because this is something you dont know until you suffer it.
there is a thing that exists at certain levels of skill or difficulty in some games called "the great filter" among many other names.
the easy example to turn to is WoW, which has managed to rigorously document this behavior across the entire world, at ever level of based and subhuman.

Unskilled fucks who cannot pull off their bullshit tend to congregate around a certain "zone" of difficulty where they cannot or REFUSE to improve from, and where their lack of skill/build holds them back.

Anyone who is actually trying to LEARN and IMPROVE is actively held back and dragged down by these retarded fucks, and they are considered universally to be a great plague upon the experience.
That said, Wow had it the worst because of RaiderIO, which tracked your performance and meant that a bunch of retarded subhuman fucks dicking around in your raids and mythics would tank your performance and get you labeled as a useless subhuman like them.
Most games fortunately do not have that.

>>744625798
why is a level 2 guy trying to group with level 35s, dipshit just wants to get carried

>>744638051
no, the guy who has played for 10 seconds is thrown into the timewalking grindfest if they want to level fast.

in wow you have two options:
>level slower via questing and learn a bit about using your abilities piece by piece as they unlock
>level fast and not know your abilities as well
either way, after you get to a point you should be going through and sitting in front of a training dummy figuring out an effective rotation and learning to use your abilities properly while consulting other sources of info.

>>744639316
That's a lot of words to just show off how hard you missed the point.

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I usually play off meta depending on which character/ build i find fun and always find a way to make it work.
This does not include troll builds like faggots as OP pretend to express as common.
The funny part is that i experienced many cases of my builds/ picks becoming meta cause i often choose simplicity over quality. So one can focus better on positioning, awareness and not being interupted as much when things do not go your way.
This usually enrages theory meta authists cause they made their perfectly calculated spreadsheets with the perfect scenarios in mind. Or the sheeple normies that blindly follow the meta and do not even understand why its meta other than guide/ youtuber said so.

>>744639606
you mean YOU missed the point, put out a DIFFERENT point, and then I corrected your retarded asses on the point you MISSED.

try again, loser

>>744639714
No, you just missed the point. That's the reason you highlighted that aspect of it. Go back to the drawing board on this one.

>>744625798
How do we stop faggots from data mining games code to make it into a "solved game"?

>>744639780
guns.
you get the capcops making housecalls.

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I've been in enough of these threads to know that 9 times out of 10 the so called off meta players just want to clown on inexperienced players and then post themselves on the back for beating a scrub. They fold like paper when they see someone who knows how the game works.

>>744639775
oooof you are too stupid to read, got it
dont worry someone less retarded will understand :)

>>744636581
that is what I am talking about.
If a game has 5v5 ranked, then only full pre-made 5 people teams should be allowed.
None of this solo or duo queue nonsense.
No autofill matchmaker.
You get 5 people together through friend groups, forums or chatrooms or you don't queue up

>>744621128
PirateSoftware belongs strangled and hung.

>>744639951
I read it. You missed the point.
I'll help you understand it better. You went in with a garbage off meta argument against a really ironclad meta argument. It just sucked and showed how fucking stupid you are. Complete troll build you tried to pass off as viable.

>>744640042
Now now, no lying.
You TRIED to read it.
And obviously failed.
coping and seething is a no-no.
try hooked on phonics or something

>>744640069
You failed. Your response just sucked. Nothing more to it.

>>744640108
>kid doesnt know what I even referenced there
always funny when I find a new retard/newfag filter

>>744639780
The concept of data mining in the image is retarded, what difference would it make if the game had been out for 5 years and the formulas were known by experimentation? Fish wizard still sucks the same

>>744640137
Now you're trying a conventional strat but it doesn't make up for the gaffe. You need to just reset.

>>744640187
>STILL doesnt get it

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If you sweat in normals, you're a faggot.
If you don't sweat in ranked, you're a faggot.
If you sweat in party games (Pokemon, Fortnite, Mario Party, etc), you're a faggot.
If you cry about sweats in competitive games (Street Fighter, Counter Strike, DOTA2, etc) you're a faggot.

Each side has their lanes, if they stick to them, they're cool.

>>744640252
Pokemon, party game? How

What would a game made specifically for metagamers look like?

>>744640327
Party game in this context meaning it's heavily RNG based and just meant to be goofy fun, not that it is played by a literal party

You already need to be good at the game to make off meta work.
Quickplay is also a blessing because then you can grind one character style to your hearts content and you'll cycle through so many different opponents and characters that you can see what works and doesn't.
Next you show up in ranked with your newfound knowledge and you'll eventually get a scrub in the other team having a meltdown because they've never seen that strategy or character work well before since they only grind ranked.

Obviously only works if you're NEETing with infinite free time.

>>744640375
tic tac toe

>>744640393
Same as rest jrpg

>>744640393
Nta but how is pokemon heavily RNG based? I'm assuming you're referring to competitive pokemon.

>>744640450
>You already need to be good at the game to make off meta work.
Not really. Meta isn't magic. For example, in some MMOs, yeah definitely. You're a dunce if you don't start from following meta.
In other games, you are braindead if you can't make off meta work.

>>744621128
>you made an off meta build through sweat and tears (it works)
good job
>you jumbled up some faggotry at 3am because you were drunk and high (it doesn't work)
you are a nigger

simple as

I dunno how assfaggots got this way, the most hyped moments of DOTA Allstars and DOTA 2 came from at the time off-meta shit like Chen+Pudge or Carry Io

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>>744621128
This image reminds me of one time over ten years ago(might have been over 15 years) when my brother was playing League of Legends, and I happened to be watching the game over his shoulder.
He was playing ranked and was running Poppy. His strategy at the time was stacking some item which generated gold every few seconds, and gave some survivability boosts, maybe max health or regen.
Anyway, the important thing was that the item stacked with itself, which seemed like an oversight, but it worked. Many people didn't do this though, and he got into argument with an opponent.
>Them: What the hell, why are you stacking that?
>Him: It works.
>Them: You should be building another thing instead!
>Him: I will, after early game.
>Them: Well... Did you hear that item is getting patched?
>Him: Yeah.
>Them: What will you do then?
>Him: Build something else?
>Them: Hah, NOOB!
My brother actually had pretty good win/loss ratio, so his weird strategies did work. But to this day, that final line lives rent free in my head.

>>744640841
It is funny when it is the enemy seething about your weird ass build. Happens all the time in Deadlock.

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Meta build on bad character > Bad build on meta character

>>744621128
lvl 35 incel killing a lvl 2 kinda ruins any point this is trying to make, maybe lvl 35 fishing rod wizard would rape him.

I don't know which I hate more in the Havoc trench in Darktide, people who bring their shit off meta build that does nothing or people who bring meta and manage to make it not work

>>744641010
the point is that this image is about assfaggots, a game where the enemy snowballs if you feed him by dying over and over again to him

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>zoomies ITT actually and unironically believe that OP's pic is about MMOs instead of MOBAs
I can't tell if the world is healing from this dogshit genre for dogshit people, or if gaming as a whole is just dying

>>744641268
playing deadlock rn

>>744641268
They’re just playing dumb because the fisherman hurting his team negates the counterpoints they’re trying to make

>>744621914
>RTS
you're a 40000iq chad in a thread for pleb games. It doesn't apply.

>>744621914
that only works because it's 1v1 and you aren't dragged down by bad teammates like OP

>>744641268
>zoomers out of nowhere
I miss the times where we treated the -oomer posters as the newfags they were

>>744628674
>>744639427
He obviously meant that the low-level guy noticed there is no demand for his build at later levels; therefore, he must reroll.

>>744625798
I get the point that meta elitists are toxic autists that create a boring, stale endgame, but once a superior build has been discovered, you can't expect people to want to team up with suboptimal enchant sorcs when they can just keep looking for hammerdins. I realized that as a kid back in the 2000s when I was playing MMOs. It's basic human nature to be competitive in social situations e.g. online games.

So this guy is right too:
>>744629704
Casual elitists are also toxic and retarded. You can't expect everyone to pick suboptimal builds when a simple google can point you to a superior build, so you might as well respect it or reroll for extra survivability, DPS, etc.

But how would you fix this problem?

>>744632042
Nothing in the OP image indicates the situation is taking place in a ranked environment. In my experience, it is far more common for sweats to appear in casual environments and get absolutely rectal-ravaged the moment something does not go exactly the way it is "supposed" to go based on guides.

>>744635496
It will never happen because the four players you mentioned are addicted to being angry online and they actually like losing most of the time as long as there's a chance, like the rat in that one experiment. The actual problem is they all have shit taste in games and they're are where they deserve to be.

>>744639780
If your game can be solved by automatic or manual data mining it's a very simple game imo. Like, mobile-tier game.

>>744641463
The fisherman should be fishing instead of trying to fucking raid with the fishing pole. That's how you end up with your entire inventory in the red and you're too broke to fix it like when I was a 6 year old 20 years ago playing WoW.

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>>744628681
/thread
The most fun teammates I've had know the game inside and out but can still be surprised, and they adapt to the less skilled players because they care about having a good game, not an easy game. Thanks l4d2 for teaching me.

>>744621570
Eh I know a guy at my Gundam TCG locals who throws a fit or drops out of tournaments entirely if his opponent beats him with off-meta shit. I played him at store championships (like a mini regionals) with a Gundam X deck that is very much not meta and he got fucking pissed that he lost to it. There are people in any game that get so focused on the meta they just shit themselves if they see anything outside of it.

>>744637194
no mage could kite shit back then
the mage aoe farming meta didnt occur until near the end of vanilla

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>>744621128
just play single player with whatever the fuck you want without feeling inferior or inadequate.

>>744625798
Based.

>>744621128
tbf what's the point of putting useless items in a game to begin with? if your gear or weapons are not properly balanced, that's not a player issue, that's a dev issue.

>meta build is crit based
>its random crits only
>there are very few ways to get crit chance up

I ignore that gay ass shit and go for whatever has the best sustainable DPS

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>>744621128
Both of their ideas of a power fantasy are completely different and contrary, cooperation is always difficult if the goals are fundamentally opposed
>Competitive players (spike) would prefer to win in an even battle with the skills they practiced rather than a "dishonorable" one where they get an advantage from an unconventional strategy
>Creative players (johnny) would rather lose in their own way than winning by copying others

>>744629230
>Meta is only a thing in competitive games that are poorly designed and or have rpg mechanics.
nigga there are 'people' who's telling me that im playing rimworld wrong
fucking rimworld

>>744649253
>NOOO YOUR STOCKPILE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 50X40 WITH MARBLE FLOORS

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD SOME SANDBAGS AND TURRETS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LONG ELABORATE KILL TUNNEL

I've heard it all

But additionally playing any storyteller other than randy sucks balls and cassandra enjoyers are plebs

>>744649106
well, i feel called out on the myr retreiver.
had a 100 card myr/arc-bound artifact only deck back in 2008.
not once did i get a combo going, and every win was cranial plating turning a 1/1 into a 10/1.
never did i get an arcbound infinite +1/+1 combo going, never a myr retriever/solder jar combo, and not even once did i manage to get power conduit arc bound overseer combo.

>>744649471
anon...
you're throwing high-value things into the water to destroy them, right?
you're killing low-value pawns purposefully, right?
you're using refrigerator-door bug, right?
you're building beds-nightstands crosses, right?

>>744632042
There is nothing wrong with theory-crafting and testing, but that requires a lot of time and effort, not to mention deep game knowledge so not something any casual will bother with.

>>744632185
Have fun losing then

>>744649832
>playing cOmPeTItiVe
lol
lmao

>>744649604
>killing low value pawns

Sub-optimal, organ harvesting and slavery is where its at

>>744625798
it's crazy how right is literally how multiplayer gaming works. it's just minmaxing spreadsheet simulations now. who plays this trash?

>>744636810
No plenty of times you just get punished because the off meta is just straight bad
Sometimes it works even if it's bad, but good players can counter cheese.

However there are always new metas being made and this is from people theorycrafting

>>744650007
organ-harvesting and slavery still increase colony value also pawn deaths are better for event triggering

>>744638668
This is true, that some metas apply for the too tier but are counterproductive for mid and low ranks.
For example Eldar always dominate the top ranks of Warhammer 40k despite them being really hard for most newer players and not a good choice.

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>dudes what's the tier list for X
>Tierlist? I can't choose something without it
>Bro that's at least a S+ tier

>>744648328
If you play single player games, you ARE inferior, and you should never forget that.

>>744642210
I play big team games like BAR all the time
One player dropping or being weak is often not even a huge deal.

>>744639780
I only play single player games so I just don’t look at discussions online until long after I’ve beaten them.

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>>744647346
>play Yugioh
>play Crystal Beast deck (zero meta relevance, I play for FUN)
>go against whatever metaslop of the month this fat greasy fuck is playing
>everytime he makes a play that goes through, acts very smug and has that anime smirk on his face
>everytime he makes a play that I stop dead in its tracks, or I destroy one of his monsters, he rolls his eyes and sighs
>mfw I win the best out of 3
>he doesn't say a word and angrily puts his deck back together
I hate these loser faggots so much. I had to stop going to locals because these autistic fags still living with their mom that don't pay bills can somehow afford the latest set-of-3 meta cards that are like $120 each

>>744650209
Colony value matters little when the AI is easy to exploit, and raiders are lootboxes for weapons, armour and sometimes drugs

>>744648627
>meta is steady damage
>build crit while stacking crit damage modifiers on top of it
>drop cooldowns and stack more modifiers instead
>streak someone down out of nowhere before they can react
>nooo you cant do that you need to do predictable damage so i can react on it
>faggots copy your build and pretend it was always meta

>>744650645
yugioh is funny because even with the expensive meta shit you still have to know what you're doing they rarely play themselves but also yeah some random bullshit from 2008 will just meme you if you don't know shit and are just flowcharting whatever the current bullshit is since all you know is meta v meta shit

>>744651548
>even with the expensive meta shit you still have to know what you're doing
is there any other TCG as complex as Yugioh? It feels very hard to really "master"

>>744651715
With how the other TCGs run their official formats where the only playable cards are the newest set formats or whatever probably not? I think they have unofficial formats that make everything legal though and thats probably got the same type of complexity that YGO has with bringing some nonsense from 2002 into a modern deck for some bullshit ruling nonsense so maybe? I think MTG has a format like that.