vania thread
>>744621242i bought it but never launched it
eignog is harder than every souls boss combined
>>744621242yes, good game
It sucks that the battle memories mode automatically kicks you back to the place where you select the next fight, with your health and healing restored. It'd be nice to be able to do more than one back to back without resetting.
Could (you) fix her, anon?
>>744621242
>>744622978The whole game has some weird decisions like that. They really should made some QoL changes to make stuff less tedious(like no item to TP you back to a root node, and having to travel back to the pavilion to teleport somewhere else)
>>744623645I hope so
I got close, but Eigong filtered me.
>>744624248How long did you spend? Took me 5ish hours across several weeks but it was worth it.
>>744624248Use the game mechanics that are given to you.
>>744621242I love the game but yet when i think about it objectively its so fucking weak. I guess smooth af movement, good visuals and outstanding story telling really carries hard.>only 2 good songs>only 1 good boss (maybe 2)>0 explorations in a vania, game is a straight line>0 sequence skips, 0 cool shortcuts to compliment exploration (there is no exploration)
>>744623645bald
>>744625290I was also sad about the lack of breakable walls/hidden areasbut the hub getting gradually pimped out was nice
>>744623645>>744621242WHY ARE THEY BALD
I got stalled for weeks on the dreamy BBW. Then I got stalled on the incest twins.
>>744626064the twin fight was only annoying because of the big fuckers one move, I beat them without ever getting the hang of it
>>744626064Then the last boss is going to push your fucking shit in
>>744621242We should normalize brother/sister relationships again.
>>744627112>againAndey and Leyley allready did that though
>>744626064What do you think about getting stalled on some old cat?
>>744626684Yes. I'm sure it will.
>>744625290I treat the game as being more like Sekiro than any actual Metroidvania.
Why is lady Etheral so fucking fat? Seems like shes even fatter then Ji and Eigong despite appearing sooner
This is a man.
>>744628572Stress eating due to excessive guilt.
>>744621242I just beat the old rat robot boss. I put it down for a while because I am sick of boss fights where they have multiple health bars and get stronger after you beat them up for a while.
>>744628960Probably not the game for you then. Every boss after him has multiple phases. Except mini bosses.
>>744629024Great. More lazy, formulaic design. It starts to feel like Elden Slop after a while.
>>744629053People are too good at games nowadays anon. Most people can beat a 1 phase boss on their first try without even getting lucky. It was a necessary step forward for the genre unfortunately
>>744621242Give that girl a snoot
>>744628618Would suck his dick and swallow his load.
>>744632446You mean the Immortality Nectar?
>>744627231Is Eigong the only time an older woman has been the final boss in a video game?
>>744634413The Boss?
>100% entire game because I'm liking it so much>final boss is harder than everyone else combined>don't get to see the ending:(is it just me or are her animations so choppy that it adds fake difficulty to the fight?
>>744621242Twice, once building around Water Flow and once around Qi Blast. I'll do a third run with Full Control eventually, but I like to be in the right mindset to fully appreciate the game before I start it again.
>>744621962>>744624248>>744634961Don't try to cheese her or run away. Cheese strategies are possible, but the most consistent path to victory is just to learn to counter each of her moves as intended. If you see red, dodge or counter. If you see white, parry. If you see green, jump and kick. The rest will follow.No idea about her animations, you may be having game performance issues.
>>744634961it feels that way at first blush because she's so fast, and her talisman grab attack does have a bullshit hurt box. Your best bet is to not flee and focus on learning all the parries (especially the unbinded ones).
>>744625290>Eigong>Lady Ethereal>Ji>Jiequan>incest twins>centaurThat's six good bosses.>Ji's theme>Lady Ethereal's theme>end credits songThat's at least three good songs.The game is pretty linear but you can fight the early bosses in varying orders, as well as the last two before Eigong, and a lot of the areas are reachable early.The anon who compared it to Sekiro is right, you're mostly going through a linear story but it's not 100% a straight line.
Why did one of the boss backgrounds look like an increasingly nasty vulva?
>I'll never play nine sols for the first time ever again
>>744636387It's the back of her skull getting split open to show her brain
>game shows you a spot where you can walk into an opaque wall to discover a "secret" early on>"I know where this is going, goodbye 100% without a guide">actually only present like 3 other times and very obviously >100% el naturaleBased game
>>744636668Why did it start as a fold instead of smooth before it started opening then?
>>744623645Were they just having a drug-addled orgy for 500 years straight?
What was your favorite style of jades and talismans? I stuck to the full control one with enemy-pausing on talisman hit (mandatory for that), multitarget talisman application, and slash-to-heal for temp damage. Only had to change it at the final boss even though in retrospect it was extremely vulnerable.
>>744636926I think they were coming out of cryo once a decade or so for a drug-addled orgy
>>744636926It's worse than that, she pulled them out to party with her while knowing they would die shortly because of it. Presumably this means she was doing it to them in a cycle, killing multitudes.
>>744636959My first playthrough I was dogshit with talismans so while I didn't use the one that automatically detonates I had the jade that puts your qi into boosting charge attacks and several related ones. Eigong pushed my shit in to the point I needed to learn how Full Control worked and my second playthrough I used that to absolutely carve through the game.
>>744625935good list but would put fat bitch to A
>>744636959I used Breather Jade and Swift Blade Jade. Very good at tearing through bosses.
>>744636823that's the starting incision
Is red candle working on anything atm?
>>744637319Yes, but odds are good it's another weird indie horror game and not Ten Sols
>>744636926I don't think so? Almost everyone is asleep, except the dusk guardians doing shifts and Eigong working on ze jab. IIRC the rest only awake cause Yi fucked with the village ceremony.
>>744637143MOOOODSS
Yiff in hell furfags.
>>744637436>t. shennong
>>744637127The Qi Blade Jade (3-cost that makes your last slash super strong by spending charges) is the icing on the cake for that. You just slash and slash and slash and the boss dies. Water talisman occasionally to execute their internal damage.
>>744637143damn, i never noticed
>>744637436I don't think I need to tell you what the alternative to having an animal protagonist in your metroidvania is.
9/10 gameWould be 10/10 if you could spare Goumang
>>744635293Her attacks feel fucking bizarre. Ive died 20 times in a row without even getting through half her health bar
>>744639035Eigong is a fight where you do not set the tempo. She punishes overaggression and later phases will punish bad habits, but if you understand what she's doing and maintain proper spacing everything can be reacted or follows a very consistent pattern.
>>744639035For me, never attacking and just parrying worked.I ended up deleting her entire hp bar in 1 talisman
>>744638981Schizo bitch got what's coming to her.*rips your claw feet out*
>>744639035For me it's the downward fencing thrust that hits you at her head height
>>744638981Sexmang
>>744639204im starting to get the hang of it, it just feels counter intuitive to not constantly go balls deep like i did with the other bosses
>>744639734People rightfully compare her a lot to Isshin but he was a capstone. If you'd gotten to him, you had learned everything you needed to beat him - you just need to execute. Eigong is the inverse. The playstyle that Eigong teaches you is one that will absolutely dismantle every other boss if you replay the game, but it's one that no other boss pushes you to master. It's one of the best fights in any of the hundreds of games I've played but fucking hell if I didn't very nearly drop the game over her. Keep at it.
>>744639365its so hard to tell which ones shes gonna do, especially that move
>>7446212422 hard 4 me
>>744639626>pic2 months later
>>744639869If you're talking about the different slashing projectile patterns, she always alternates.
Why is every scientist Solarion a god tier fighter? Is Yi the Dexter of his species since he's ridiculously tiny?
>>744639962That's wuxia for you. Scientific knowledge = spiritual knowledge = martial prowess.
>>744639839yeah its pretty fun, getting to phase 2 consistently now. im just getting the timings down for the chained counter jade and itll be p easy soon.
>>744639962Not exactlyFuxi just goes Hulk smash mode while Nuwa spams projectilesLady E's fight takes place in essentially her imagination so she can do whateverYanlao violates OSHA complianceGoumang has her Jiangshi soldier fight for her as she isn't a trained warriorOnly Jiequan, Ji and Eigong actually know how to fight
I actually just beat eigong yesterday... But it wasn't true ending eigong, because I forgot to finish the apemen questline beforehand, I've finished it now but I can't be bothered to try for the actual boss (and also get the other cheevos i'm missing, like the one about beating some guy while using a robot)The most annoying of the fight for me was the very fast jump attack (not the red orb one) because I never get to unbound parry it.As well as the random flames that ended up killing me more often than I'd like due to being full of red health damage most of the time>>744625290>>0 explorations in a vania, game is a straight lineI actually, unironically see this as a good thing, I hate getting lost in vanias yes i know this means the genre is not for me
>>744636959I loved Water Flow personally, though in retrospect there's no reason not to use Full Control against Lady Ethereal since you deflect a lot of hits and she always gives you time to charge a full blast once the talisman is applied.
>>744639035Learn defense, then mix in offense once you have it down. Her attacks are varied but they're consistent and you will be given time to react to each one. Her up-close combos in particular have very telegraphed patterns to them, so much so that even my below average reaction time had it down to an instinct by the time I won (and was able to remember most of it right away when I replayed a year later).
>>744634961 here, you guys motivated me. I finally won and am now watching credits. I used the water talisman style to take advantage of small gaps, the super triple slash to take advantage of big gaps, made sure I had the porcupine parry and parry stability, and went to town. I had given up over a week ago. Kino game.
Also, are there multiple endings based on difficulty, or based on that one multiple choice question where I chose to save the apemen? I know I had every area at 100% at least but it's Normal mode.
>>744642154only 2 endings as far as I know, one where you did everything, and one where you didn'tin the former, eigong has 3 phases instead of 2
>>744642370Oh nice, got it in one go then. Thanks anon.I think my major breakthrough was deciding to be satisfied with non-perfect parries for when the 1st phase fencing attacks could be coming, the 2nd phase upward slashes after countering her talisman rush, and the full screen slash spam in phase 3. I just parried in a schizo paranoia way when it was possible for her to use those and recovered the temp damage other ways.
>>744621242How hard is this compared to Sekiro? SS Ishin took me like 10 attempts max for comparison
>>744632446We know, Lear.
>>744621242Sex with lady ethereal, her boss is still the worst soley because this bitch keeps teleporting and wasting time with her clone bullshit
>>744625935Jiequan in C is absurdFight ends too early but you only feel that way because of how fucking pumped it gets you.
>>744642684Would say sekiro is harder, parry timing is much more forgiving and even if you parry imperfectly you only take temp damage, and there are 3 different types of parrying for 3 different types of attacks
>>744621242my biggest gripe with the game was the soulslike runback death system they felt like they had to add to the game because every "hard" game does it these days. It completely ruins the general exploration and platforming segments. It just punishes you even more if you're already struggling with the game which is the opposite of good game design. It just makes the best way to level to find a mob near a respawn point and farm it until you spend your skillpoints and then go explore. If it wasn't for that it would probably have been my goty.
>>744642684I should actually start that. I decided I wanted to play parry games and bought both together during the summer sale.
>>744635293Wait, there's a CHEESE!? Did I waste 14 hours of my life to beat all three phases of her when I could've done it much quicker?!
>>744625935The miniboss who bounces you into the spikes he made himself is better than some of the real bosses, fuck you
>>744642021gratz anon!
>>744642963Maybe on hard bell modo thingy. I found sekiro to be a smooth sailing the entire game and even the final boss was a sub one hour affair.
>>744621242Yeah, although eigong in particular highlights how unimportant positioning is in parry centralized combat systems, you basically sit in place and jump the entire fight
>>744643107You played through a difficult parrying game and you are going to finish it like one anon
>>744643192I think a lot of discussion about games difficulty is biased by what the people think of as difficult.For example, your "even the final boss was a sub one hour thing." Maybe absurdly hard for many.I think about this a lot when I think certain games are pretty easy, and people respond by saying "you really beat X in one try?"And I answer no, and they seem to think I'm lying about finding it easy.
>>744621242I beat the easy ending boss but I just can't clutch a hard ending victory. She's too fucking fast and hits too hard.
Did anyone ever upload a copy of this art book of the game from Kemoket?
>>744628618A remarkable amount of semen has been dispensed because of Ji.
>>744643327I barely used parry the entire game. The "Eureka" moment was Yanlao. I used ghostly dash to dodge his claw thing. But then I tried to use parry instead, and it actually worked! Since then I could parry full-body and giant floating weapon attacks on the first try. Parrying normal-sized weapon attacks still suck ass. You have to blindly guess on the timing, then after getting hit ten times narrow it down, then memorize it. No thanks, I can't be bothered with this shit, I can survive by dodging and tanking hits.
I love the game but don't really get the complaints about Eigong. She's really not THAT hard since all the moves are either easy to read or follow a static order every time.It's not bullshit like demon of hatred or promised consort>>744643434The third phase is easier than the second thoughShe just spams the aerial line move which is easy to avoid and guarantees damage since she stands still for a long time after it.Just jump -> parry -> parry - use double jump to avoid the red line. Then beat her ass.
>>744643414I'm always pretty confident in learning the game systems like parry timings or doing combo executions.So usually for action games it's a small amount of time to get the reflexes going and the rest of the boss encounters are about guessing what the game designer expects you to do.If you don't get gotcha'd by a one hit kill, for me it's usually a matter of 30-90min to grind a very hard boss down. Most of the downtime comes from repeating early phases or running back from spawn.
>>744636621god I want another game in the same universe so goddamn much (sequel/prequel)didn't they tease something with an ARG not too long ago?also post nine sols images that would make for great wallpapers (or are official wallpapers).
>>744643953Sure. That's fine. I agree with you, and in this game the consequences of dying are so minor that mitigates the difficulty a lot in my.mind.But I think a lot of people would say 90 minutes of grind is extremely hard. And a lot of this is just a personality trait in how you interpret difficult.
>>744640557Lel, I've recently finished Disco Elysium and here you are posting this gem.>>744644039I am honestly content with not having another game. Not everything needs to have a sequel, prequel, sidequel and several dozen comics.
>>744629053Elden ring only has 3 bosses with a second health bar though. And they're all an endgame final boss which makes sense for them to have multiple phases.
Loved Nine Sols to bits but I couldn't get myself to finish Silksong even though I finished Hollow Knight back then.
>>744644082Oh yes I agree that anything that requires that amount of time to get down should be labeled as difficult no matter what. I thought the conversation was more about the discrepancy between someone taking an hour to beat and a boss and someone taking 8.I don't know what's the average supposed to be across the entire userbase and now I'm kinda curious. Usually when I see a forum post about someone that wall'd by a boss for X amount of hours I always take it as an outlier but I frankly don't know if it's closer to the average.
>>744644131that's fair enoughstill, i think it'd be a good way of expanding on the world view/lore, and when i said prequel/sequel, it would obviously not be featuring yi as the main characterit's just that the combat and parries and the talisman system (full control my love) felt so good and smooth that i'm craving for more
I got filtered by the robot centaur boss
>>744644247Ah, yeah, my point was a more general one of how people perceive a game as difficult. But that's fine.I do think 8 hours is an outlier. You get a certain bias online of people angry enough to go get angry about online about it. While, most of the bosses here are learnable. Even me, who said that the Sleepy BBW took weeks, that was like 2 or 3 hours total.
>Chink misery pornNo thanks
>>744621242Looks like some furfag shit
>>744635293>>744639035>>744639734>>744639839This entire boss design """philosphy""" is pure cancer and you are slavebrain cuck faggots for playing along with this gay, shallow, memory game cancer
>>744644780I kinda regret not picking the game up before because I thought it was furfaggotry and the fan art dumpers in the thread do not help but I think it's more similar to disney anthro from the 90s in the end.
>>744621962I had more trouble with demon of hatred
>>744636926Where can I sign in?
>>744621242i have. was good.>>744644364isn't that the first boss?
>>744625290>only 2 good songs bait
>>744628618HOT TWINK ALERT
>>744644210Gotta say the same. I beat the final boss with the curse but I couldn't beat the stupid fucking crustacean dream pillar requirement for the special ending.
>>744644210Same. There's nothing really with it per se but I had absolutely no desire to finish it, compared to Nine sols which I actually beat twice almost back to back
>>744644210Nine Sols pacing and difficulty curve is a bit wonky at times but it feels like a masterclass next to Silksong
>>744625290the story has no right to be this good in vania gameall red candles games are outstanding in either story or setting
>>744642684Isshin was somewhere between 40 and 50 tries for me but I also didn't engage with the whole tool system or the buff itemsMost of Nine Sols was pretty easy but the final boss took me a few months because I seethed so hard I deleted my save file and had to cool down for a while before coming back to beat the game again.
>>744644964>isn't that the first boss?I don't know, I beat the bird lady and explored a fair bit before I met him
>>744644210Same thing occured to me. I put it on hold and the problem now is that there's always another game I need to finish that's more attractive than playing silksong past midpoint. Over bloated.
>>744646027Nigga just parry, he's the tutorial boss.
Why did Yi never fuck this?
Because you touch yourself at night.
>>744647935There were machines to build, woman!
>>744621242Yea
TinyLittleSmallTeensyItty-bittyBite-sizedSpeckishshort
>>744648087I love my weird ape son whose brain I wouldn't have thought twice about eating prior to the adventure. It's interesting that they never discuss the fact that felines are obligate carnivores though. Cats are forced to eat meat (which is a difference from dogs as pets), which is core to the setting but not mentioned or used as an easy excuse by any deluded characters for doing it the least ethical way possible. It's like they've all already agreed it's wrong and their discourse doesn't contain excuses anymore.
I dropped nine sols a year ago cause eigong kicked my ass so i made a new save to get the true endingI feel its bullshit that i coudnt save the map data robot or the merchant but it was fineGonna play the other save file to see the bad ending another timeAlso you guys made me believe yi's sister was the secret boss with how many "why did she do it?" threadsShame we coudnt save her or that they didnt show the flshback of her raping yiSexo with lady ethereal and her gf and with shuanshuan>>744644171Did kinda the same with silksong since i spend a full weekend exploring and i still miss things and final lace was raping me but end up finishing it 2 days agoGonna wait for the dlc to replay it
Media and game """journalists""" refusing to cover this game because it's from a Taiwanese developer was absolutely maddening.Penglai is ChinaTianhuo is an allegory for communism on the mainland. New Kunlun is Taiwan. The chinese can go fuck themselves. GOTY of 2024
>>744628618Do you guys think he used to to go with his child form and seduced little boys?
>>744648801>and with shuanshuanSir that’s a child
Sequel when?
>>744650803Shota sex right after a nice hot bath (so there's more sweat)
>>744637436you lost the war a long, long time ago
>>744639839>The playstyle that Eigong teaches you is one that will absolutely dismantle every other boss if you replay the game, but it's one that no other boss pushes you to master.Frankly people keep repeating this but I never got it.The playstyle that every boss teaches you is the precise timings of their specific attack animations that you need to memorise. Playing one boss does not make you much better at other bosses or enemies, except for the general skill you pick up in judging your own parries and its windup and cooldown timing etc. I beat true eigong, decided to replay the game the very next day, and died like five times when I got to the first boss again because I forgot the timing of the parries on his fuckhueg attack animations.9S(us) is a rythm game that's all about memorisation, you mostly don't just magically get better at other enemies by mastering the timings of one specific one.
>>744625935Felt like Ji's boss could've been S tier if they had more time with him.
>>744650815What sequel? Everyone who matters(Solarians) is dead.
>>744637032giwtwm
>>744651356Kuafu
>>744643107I don't think there's actual cheese, that or maybe I'm clueless. But the "easy strategies" I know of for beating Eigong mostly come down to>lol if you just parry her you will defeat her fast!>just parry more! if you unbound/charge parry every attack you can then kill her in one talisman!And other shit that boils down to "get good". I'm not aware of any strategies that actually let you finish the fight without being able to parry properly and genuinely outskill her.Maybe the closest thing to a cheese strategy might be "parry the attacks you can and run away from those you aren't sure about" but that is tedious, and unironically the longer the battle takes the more time there is for you to slip up and get fucked, so as you keep attempting her you will probably learn her patterns anyway and start parrying more shit properly so you just naturally pick up more damage faster.
Something ive wondered... since taoism is literally a Solarian religion. And the Solarians visited earth in the past. Is Taoism literally a Solarian religion that humans on Earth learnt from them? Does the game imply that Taoism and Oriental civilization come from space?
Before the thread dies I want to say that the big reveal that the 'machine' that the apemen worship as a passage to God is actually a brain remover2000k and then you see the processing of the human remains in such a brutally clean and efficient method was one of the best reveals I've seen in a video game. I especially love reveals that show a deeply held religion is just another means of manipulating the masses. < plot spoiler for after the first twenty minutes of the game
>>744648525I don't remember the details but is there any indication that the meat they eat is unethical? Do they eat apemen or something?Cultivating meat for consumption at industrial scales is something we literally do IRL, and most of the ethical concerns come from the need to maximise profit and our relatively low technology level. A civilisation like solarians could easily have genetically engineered meatbag "animals" that are barely sentient and can be bred, raised and processed entirely in fully automated facilities.Again if there's something in the game indicating otherwise, I don't remember it, and assuming there's not then I'm guessing it's just something boring like that with no particular ethical concerns. The solarians are not inherently evil, the councils is just unscrupulous, harvesting Apemen brains was only done due to a genuine need for it; surely the species would have already solved an easy food supply a long time ago.
>>744652001The way the.. well, production lines, run imply that in some way those cadavers are being turned into meat products for consumption. Not to mention the gardens were overrun and borderline unusable.
>>744650672>New Kunlun is Taiwan.So Taiwan is an enclave where all the rich and elite got to bribe their way for a chance to be saved from certain death, leaving the masses behind to die, while they harness their species' ancient eldritch diety for superluminal travel in order to harvest the adrenochrome from an entire planet of sapients?Somehow I don't think that's the metaphor the devs intended
>>744651849MateThe human race as we know it will exist only because of solarians
>>744651682He's sick like the rest.
>>744652101>Not to mention the gardens were overrun and borderline unusable.I mean everyone was asleep and it's not like there were a lot of mouths to feed. The only solarians awake were the Sols that got woken up by Yi's alarm and Nuwa's party sols that likely had their own supplies anyway (it's not like they'd have been making alcohol and drugs from apemen)
>>744651872I expected it, but not as immediately obvious as it was (more like a "you find out at the bottom that they are killed there" kind of deal). You already know at that point that Yi and Eigong are from some more advanced civilization that's clearly nearby, yet the apemen are kept in isolated and primitive state. It's mentioned that no apeman comes back or communicates after the ceremony. And what are hyper advanced aliens going to do, integrate literal cavemen and celebrate them? It was very sketchy.
>>744621242Really great game, I only wish it was longer and harder.
>>744652001Yes, they eat apemen. If you need it directly stated after playing the game you might have a brain problem, but regardless it's mentioned when shuanshuan looks up recipes and cooks them meals, one of them is a recipe needing an organ of an apeman. Yi and fatty say to each other they can hardly imagine eating something like that *now*, indicating they would have in the past.
Sometimes I do kinda wish that this game had a little bit more in terms of its series but the fact that its likely a one-and-done is respectable enough.Although sometimes I do wish that there was some more crossover artwork, I wouldn't mind seeing Yi with more catlike characters like pic related. The species probably could've done well with firearms.
>>744652237Obviously it was going to happen, but the way it was revealed followed by the further display of how it all is implemented blew my mind.
>>744634961Eigong has notoriously awful hitboxes and janky animations, yes. Everything about her fight gives off the impression of some unbalanced superboss from an expansion mod.
>>744652375>if you need it directly stated after playing the gameSpecifically like two years after playing the game, I probably remembered these details better when I was actually playing it.>one of them is a recipe needing an organ of an apemanOh yeah I remember that now.Though that said it's kinda weird that this would be part of an old artifact recipe book since apemen presumably only started being processed once New Kunlun arrived and most of the Solarians were promptly put into hibernation, I wouldn't have expected this temporary arrangement to filter down into the local culture like that.
>>744644919Because bosses that aren't human are shit in Sekiro. It's just not fun to fight them. And DoH is standing at the top of this list.
>>744621242Of course playing in story mode [/spoiler
>>744642021Yi's idle animation where he's just autistically staring at the ground in front of him is so comedically perfect in this frame while Eigong is fucking dying right there
>>744651872>big reveal Isn't ut obvious as soon as you leave the apemen enclosure?
>>744652625>isn't it obvious after it's revealedYes that's what a reveal means
>>744652686How is that a big reveal of its obvious since the start of the game?
>>744628618Featherless and biped, yes.
>>744621962Radahn definitely kicked my ass for longer but she's up there.
The only room for sequels I could see this game having is:- An alternative project was launched from somewhere else on old Kunlun- Solarians have revived due to mysteriously being regenerated after death on Kunlun, as another undiscovered facet of their nightmarish biological affliction/symbiosis (along with new horrors beyond imagining again)- slop about the new apeman civilization which no one wants
Reminder that heckin science could actually deal with magic cancer
>>744652965Magic cancer was actually science cancer though. After that, magic coping began.
Now that I'm done, I realize that I constantly forgot about the bow. Is it normal to just completely ignore that item?
>>744651872How you feel about the reveal that Solarians were artificially uplifted by someone from housecats. Tianhuo virus is what uplifts them. It's not stated, but I assume Eigong's experiments activated some fail-safe mechanism in it which turned it deadly (that's why they couldn't figure out how it spreads, it activated with a p2p signal, not via air)?
>>744653493bow only becomes relevant if you use specific fully-upgraded talisman which allows you to recharge it mid-battle
>>744621962harder than every other nine sols boss in the game combined for sure, at least
>>744624248people will say not to use hedgehog because it does so little damage but you'll be parrying so much that it will make a significant dent in the boss over time
>>744625290the exploration is good at the beginning but yes once you get to Jiequan it does suck that you have to do everything else in the same order
>>744652941Penglai prequel, after Nu Kunlun launch.
>>744637143>it's her hair tails and not spread legsI also thought it was a pussy
>>744647935uh that's his sis
>>744653638Not as strongly as I did for the initial reveal of the ape man processor.
>>744628618Counterpoint: Jies aren't faggots, so whatever they fuck is defacto female.
>>744654151It is spread legs, and what you think are ears are actually her tits being pulled upwards by those black lines.
>>744653638Wasn't the reveal that housecats came from them? I don't think it implied that another being uplifted the Solarians into what they are.
>>744653493Yes, it's supposedly a crowd control weapon except it's limited-use so using it in crowds just blows all the charges unless you have the fully upgraded talisman as the other anon said.9S has excellent core gameplay but there's some small things here and there which are clearly imperfect game design and show that the game didn't have infinite time to sit in development.
>>744653638What? No, It's the housecats that come from Solarians after removing the gene that gets Tianhuo'd. That's what Eigong's notes in the side lab were about. Everything Tianhuo - the genesis and the mutations come from Eigong's playing god and not knowing where to stop
>>744654407Counter counter point; I want to have gay sex with Ji
>>744654415>>744655402The reveal is:Housecat + Tianhuo = SolarianSolarians do not exist without Tianhuo virus. So you got it opposite, housecats come first, Solarians later.
>>744621242man this game was so fucking fun. i always loved parrying and I played this game literally right after Sekiro, the water bending animations when you hit a clean parry just scratched my itch really well, and having that one talisman equipped where you can explode 5 at once after a full charge gave full dopamine. was just a great game overall
>>744655435Tianhuo appeared in the Origin Era and was explicitly stated to be a byproduct of Eigong's research into Fusang and immortality.Solarians were perfectly fine before
>>744656764That's before reveal. Solarians didn't even know about Tianhuo before self-destruction was activated.
>>744656949It's in the same area, man. Eigong says It herself in the log.>After ten years of unrelenting research, we have finally made a critical breakthrough in the synthesis between solarian cells and the Roots' regeneration cells.>This is our first step towards immortality, and a victory for science.>This research may even become a turning point and encourage people to embrace science and technology.>It may be our greatest accomplishment since Lear passed away. >All test subjects have developed symptoms of rejection and are dying one after the other.>The cause is a hitherto unknown virus that was accidentally synthesized during the gene editing process. It has been codenamed "Tianhuo".>The virus is contagious, but we have neither isolated it, nor found its transmission vectors.
I think the whole plotline of Tianhuo being a wacky magical virus that's impossible to contain is kind of hamfisted.The game expects us to believe that>Solarians existed fine before>then they got infected with Tianhuo>Eigong actually found the responsible genetic data, but removing the Tiahuo gene makes them into cats>they are super advanced hyper technological science wizards with live gene editing turning cats into birds, but they somehow cannot figure out how to remove the known virus sequence in a way that restores Solarians as they were before the infection (i.e. not housecats)The explanation of the Tianhuo being the reason Solarians exist and the die-off being some kind of failsafe makes a lot more sense, but it's directly against what the game states. The explanation that Tianhuo is not a physical thing but is just some metaphysical "fuck you" from the Tao and/or Fusang seems to be what the game is going for, but it also kind of contradicts the very fact that Eigong WAS able to isolate it (and turn the solarians into housecats), and the way it's very specifically called a "virus" at all times and not just more generally a disease or affliction or something.
>>744657205Again, that's BEFORE the housecat reveal.>nor found its transmission vectorsDid you not find it strange? This is an advanced society, they should know all about virus transmission. "virus that was accidentally synthesized" is also sus, viruses don't get spontaneously 'synthesized'. Before that I assumed that Eigong used viral gene-editing method, but it seems like that's not the case.Anyway, what's your alternative explanation for housecats? "housecats that come from Solarians after removing the gene that gets Tianhuo'd" - your 'explanation' does not make a lick of sense. How does removal of Tianhuo necessitates (alive and well) housecats? Your 'argument' that Tianhuo damages genes - damaged genes result in death, not in housecats.
>>744651221If you play the prior bosses correctly by air kicking and using unbounded counters you will be somewhat prepared for Eigong.The problem is that no prior bosses require being adept at these mechanics, they can also be dealt with only dashing, regular parries and tanking damage when things get too difficult. This is the playstyle that most players will fall into and therefore they will be left woefully unprepared for Eigong.
beat the second last boss but rage quit before trying the last boss and dropped the game for months, did i really miss out on a kino fight?
>>744658985yes you did
>>744658870I disagree. Airkicking Eigong's talisman is absolutely crucial but it is also absolutely not crucial in any other boss and also many bosses don't even have kickable attacks at all. The only time I clearly remember using a kick is against Ethereal's red dash, I had not made a habit of using it previously and it was absolutely not difficult to incorporate it there (and then proceed to ignore it again for the subsequent bosses that don't require it).UCs are nice and optimal for stacking internal damage, but many bosses have few and rare red attacks, and all being adept at UC does is let you speedrun the boss properly where going UC-less requires a dash instead. Most of the time the dashes are easy to pull off and it really doesn't make any kind of major difference for the boss's difficulty whether you choose to UC or dash.Overall neither of those things are a gamechanger for most bosses, again, unless you're speedrunning. As far as ease of victory, far and away the most important skill is being able to normal parry the boss's normal attacks, which is about 60% knowledge of your own parry timings (obtained throughout playing the entire game, mostly before Eigong just going by total time spent) and 40% knowledge of the boss's attack timings - obtained by fighting that specific boss and defending those specific attacks, and not obtainable by fighting any other boss or enemy.
>>744621242Why did my dumb ass keep hoping this girl would turn out to be alive or "alive" in some way, right up until the end?
>>744644039>another gameIt's finished, had a satisfying conclusion, and doesn't need to be rehashed.
>>744659420You are not alone
>>744659398I mostly always used air-parry instead of normal parry (not only it's multidirectional, it works for both kinds of attacks). And air-combos instead of land combos (land combos leave you stunned for a while after a third slash, leaving you unable to parry or do anything, really. Not only that, but air-combos seemingly do more DPS).
>>744659420I was confused after a first call, but after a second call it becomes pretty obvious that she's a goner.
>>744650803>"you cant have sex with the cute child with oversized clothes thats always showing his nipples" says anon while posting said child in bed unnaware he is showing his nipple to usGo away
Was the game supposed to have a different tone earlier in development? I always thought it was odd how violent and cruel the game is early on, with the apemen getting ritually sacrificed with the plant their bodies are being processed in being the first area, all the way up to Yi torturing the bird lady. It felt like it was going an angle of Yi walking down the path of Asura or some shit, but then the game cools off immensely.
>>744660784Chinks are just like that.
>>744621242I actually haven't. I got filtered by the first boss lmao
>>744660784>but then the game cools off immensely.I never really got that feeling, especially when there's some body horror shit later in the game with the mutations like with Chien and that one boss begging Yi to kill him.
I don't want a sequel but I do want another game in the same kind of setting with similar mechanics. This game did sekiro style mechanics very well.
>>744652761are you retarded? a reveal is a reveal regardless of what point in the story it occurs
didn't Heng rape jiequan and broke his family statue when he was young?
>>744661436>another game in the same kind of settingRain World is basically the same setting as Nine Sols, only with Buddhism instead of Taoism. The "goal" of the host species was simultaneously similar and opposite of Nine Sol's: instead of pursuing immortality they pursued to end their individual reincarnation cycle. They were just as destructive in their pursuit, tho.
>>744662112I'm very familiar with Rainworld. Great game, hate playing it.
>>744638981Wdym, Yi spared here though?
>>744660156*a gooner
>>744660297Anon boy nipples aren't erotic
>>744663027Cutting off your legs, mind controlling you then leaving you just there on your bleeding stumps doesnt count
>>744663027>>744663745>goumang ryona correction...
>>744621242How do I gather the will to finish this game? Once I got 80% through Ji's area I then got distracted and then dropped the game for a year and a half. I've tried to pick it up again a couple times recently but the problem is I've forgotten all the parry and dodge timings so I'm getting wrecked by regular enemies and I just don't have the patience to relearn everything like I did at the beginning of the game.
>>744664216>I just don't have the patienceeither restart or get some patience. i recommend putting Tik Toks on the corner of the screen to ensure your zoomie dopamine receptors aren't fried
>>744664216You might honestly need to just bite the bullet and start over, a year and a half is quite a bit of muscle memory lost.
>>744657785If you want a scientific explanation, what Tianhuo infects is not just Solarians, but the unseen Fusang connection all Solarians share that gives them magic powers (and also consciousness).
>The prequel comic that follows Lear>The ARG that explores humans finding Solarian artifacts and ruinsDo you think we're getting a prequel game or some sort of sequel? It seems like too much effort is put into the world-building just for nothing to come of it.
>>744664610Actually that makes sense yeah
>>744664892Actually I think all that stuff implies the opposite, if they were planning on a prequel/sequel they would be saving all their ideas for that.
>being a xenoarcheologist and exploring the ruins of Penglai
>>744621242I tried, but just couldn't get into it. Which is a shame, because the game is gorgeous and it looks like I'd theoretically have a lot of fun with it. But I think I got burnt out on Simon Says-style gameplay after Elden Ring (see the color, press the button), and Nine Sols's gameplay just felt too passive and reactive to me. Also, I wanted a Metroidvania with branching paths and exploration, and Nine Sols unfortunately isn't that. It's a 2D Sekiro, and by all accounts great at that, but it's kind of a bait and switch to call it a Metroidvania.
So as a general rule, are the Solarians so comically vile because they're cats, or because they follow bugman morality?
>>744665532bugman morality, absolutely.
>>744659420For the first half of the game I thought she was a Rogue AI pretending to be someone that Yi knows.
>>744660784Yi starts full of anger, then he cools off as he figures out how doomed everything is and gets desperate to salvage anything.
>>744661758Are you? A "big reveal" is something that the narrative builds up to, not the very first thing it shows you.
>>744643107Cheesing her takes more skill than beating her legit, that's why I didn't advise you to do it. You can focus entirely into stacking internal damage on her and detonating it with Full Control or you can make a charged strike build and just chew through her health, but both are harder to execute than doing the fight normally.
>>744665532The most cat-like Solarian (the fat, lazy one) is also the least moraly reprehensible, so their wickedness comes from their bugman philosophy. Solarians are destined to become our pets to repent for their bugman ways.
Seriously what was her fucking problem? (Aside from lack of human dick obviously)
>>744671895Then it's not cheese. Cheese means some way to bypass an intended part or mechanic, normally trivialising it. "Cheese" that's harder not only doesn't trivialise it or make it easier but it's also not bypassing anything, if you're just using intended combat mechanics for boss combat in the intended way.
>>744644210I've beaten Silksong but I don't really enjoy its combat much. Feels like it has the same issue Elden Ring has where there's no medium difficulty way to play, only baby easy mode where you use overpowered equipment to win or autistic speedrunner hard mode where you have to perfectly execute everything. I'd rather have games like Nine Sols, Lies of P, or Bloodborne where you're expected to just keep up reasonably good performance for a fight that won't let you skip through it. The choice of either playing near-perfectly, switching to easy mode, or giving up is boring.And somehow my favorite boss in Silksong was the true final boss even though the people who say the game isn't too hard call her RNG bullshit, so who knows where the true skill issue is here.
>>744672439Not enough Yicking.
>>744672439>that slight boob jiggle in her sprite Thank you taiwan
>>744627112Incest is wrong.
>>744644864There are ways to go max skill and beat the bosses without playing around their intended design, I just advised playing the intended way because that's the most consistent method to win for someone who hasn't beaten the bosses yet. Having actual intended counters that the game teaches you prior to the fight instead of expecting you to just bash your head against the wall and try every single possible variable until something works is called game design, you insecure faggot. If you want to brute force a boss without learning anything just to prove you don't have to follow the rules, be my guest, but accept that it's your fault you have to spend 2-3 times as long on the fight as someone who doesn't have your particular flavor of retardation.
>>744658870What do you mean correctly? If Eigong's talisman didn't have such a horrible hitbox, you could've just dashed through her like you could through every other enemy, and you don't need to unbounded either, and all her red attacks are easily dodgeable.
We are calling pattern recognition a memory game now?
>>744673427It's a rhythm game.
>>744671895>focus entirely into stacking internal damage on her and detonating it with Full ControlHedgehog is just a normal tactic, no? There's literally no time to attack her normally, I can manage only 1-2 hits here and there.
>>744673687Reject hedgehog, embrace reciprocation.
>>744673845You can have both>>744672621It's opposite for me. I prefer Silksong to Nine Sols. In Silksong you feel like you gained a real skill. When I defeated Phantom, I felt like I'm a dancer. Meanwhile when I defeated Eigong, I felt like a monkey who presses button when the light blinks. No real skill, just rote memorization. Maybe fans of rhythm games would like Nine Sols, but music is kinda desynced from battle, so maybe not.
>>744673687Hedgehog is, but you can go even further beyond with Reciprocation and Qi Swipe to stack massive internal damage and transfer it to Eigong. This is extremely dangerous, of course, hence why it is not a good idea for a beginner.
>>744674195I will say that Silksong's early bosses are better balanced and Phantom is one of my favorites. It's some of the other bosses like Karmelita that I feel go too far in the direction of asking you to just memorize 500 things and perform them all perfectly nonstop. And that's not even mentioning Pinstress, whose only purpose as far as I can tell is to be annoying.>inb4 use clawlineYeah, that's the first thing I tried, the bitch kept hovering out of its path. Terrible fight.
>>744674862>KarmelitaI just spammed her with Wanderer Crest until she died. Didn't even take that much tries. Act 3 bosses were surprisingly easy for me.
>>744673687Hedgehog is absolutely pathetic, it does like 3 internal damage per parry or something negligible. Eigong has like 6k HP depending on phase.Unbound Counters deal something like 200 internal damage each if you have all the perks for them (no jade required).
>>744675879Unbound Counters is something you already always do for Eigong, no?
>>744676662Yes, the point is the hedgehog jade is more or less useless
>>744676662You can do it to parry most of her attacks instead of only red ones.
>>744672439too high on her horse and slightly spiteful due to yi's fame
>>744676753Only makes sense for Divine Hand Jade, and only for very specific attacks. I tried to do that, but it's a gimmick. I pull this off like once or twice per attempt.
There are too many anons that apparently reached Eigong and didn't crossed the finish line.You can do it, anon! It might be a hard battle that will take hours of trying, but you can definitely do it! And the satisfaction of the hard earned victory will be worth it i promise.Phase 1 and phase 2 are pretty similar, in phase 2 she introduces some new moves, but they are all very close im premise, she will start with an initial tell and will finish with one of two possible finishers. In fact in my opinion P2 is easier than P1, because her new moves are easier to deal with than the only mixup that she uses on P1.Phase 3 is a whole other beast, what i recommend is to try getting into a point where you can reliably reach P3 with a healthy amount of heals, than you can beat it without having to really master the phase. Also save all of your arrow charges for this phase too!
>>744621242This was my GOTY for 2024 but the unskippable dialogue/cutscenes are a real drag on replay
>>744624248many such cases
>>744677939I only defeated her once for True Ending. I couldn't do it ever again, despite hours of attempts to repeat my feat.
>>744648497
>>744678134You can install the cutscene-skipping mod. I used it to skip obnoxious cutscene before Eigong's fight. Take note that mod API thing disables achievements and splash screens, you have to manually re-enable them in the settings.
>>744621242on gamepass yea. i did buy it again on steam just dont got the time
>>744659420we all did
>>744672439professional jealousy
>>744676785No, Nine Sols was not as good.
Finally beat true ending eggnog. Her phase 3 was sometimes pure bullshit where she chained 10 anime moves in a row but I spammed the bitch with arrows and might have gotten lucky with the moveset rng. Pretty well made fight though overall, I am absolute dogshit at these parry games so im surprised i actually did it lol
>>744621242Yes, cheated on the twins bossfight though, it fucking sucks
>>744621242I'm not autistic enough for difficulty-slop.The game is an artistic masterpiece, but I just dont enjoy getting my balls repeatedly smashed with a hammer.
>>744660784seeing uncle chubby again and reconciling chilled him out
>>744683975What was difficult about twins? It only took me like 5 attempts. I remember the runback more than the actual fight
>>744684206really the boss order was perfect for a redemption arc
I feel bad for people who didn't go for the true ending, since the default ending is so......lackluster. Probably not helped by the game's razor thin budget given the stuff they had to cut off to make ends meet.
>>744677137>very specific attacksNo, it's a lot of attacks. Divine Hand is fair, but you really should use it.
>>744682824Oh yeah, I forgot to mention when talking about cheese tactics that using Qi Blast and cloud piercer arrows can legitimately just turn off some of Eigong's strongest attacks. That's probably the closest to a legit cheese you could do without having to be better at the game than a normal victory would require.
>>744686264I didnt even realize internal damage was a mechanic until this fight. Am I fucking retarded?
>>744621962can't comment since i resort to cheese or bullshit fuckery in soulslikes or sekiro if it comes down to it (demon of hatred), eigong i had to man the fuck up and kill legitimately
>>744684075Normally I wouldn't condone easy mode but if you really aren't going to play on normal difficulty at all, the option is there.
>>744637120i can agree she's S tier if Eigong has a tier above
>>744686420It wasn't relevant in the rest of the game since nothing else was on her level to the point where it was better to just parry everything than to plink away at their health with attacks.
>>744642894>Fight ends too earlyHe was originally going to have a third phase but it got cut.
>>744643725>>744644919>>744686490I genuinely don't get why Demon of Hatred is considered extremely difficult or bullshit. It's no pushover, it's definitely one of Sekiro's harder bosses, but apart from some fire chip damage it's not at all unfair. You just focus on dodging and closing distance until you can hit his leg, deflect his stomps, bring the red umbrella if you can't get out of the way of something, and all his big fuck-off moves have reliable counters. Usually just running and jumping out of the attack's path then grappling if a target shows up will keep you perfectly safe.
>>744625935>Lady Ethereal in SBASEDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7xUEEpHrZ4
>>744686898i was just ready to get to Isshin at that point and didn't want to fight a non-human faggot
>>744686417That's what I did. I don't know why I couldn't get my head around the Unbound counter, but I'm glad I had that out whenever she does the sword waves.
>>744686914Not that anon but I agree. Lady Ethereal's gameplay, visuals, story, and music all combine into one of the best and hardest fights in the game, and she's the only one who comes close to matching Eigong for my number one spot. The fact that she plays totally differently from most other bosses with her clones and air attacks, but still manages to be one of the most intense fights period, only makes her more memorable and therefore even better.
>>744686771What was his third phase going to be? Fuckin Toguro 100% of 100% bullshit?
>>744687161I focused on deflection and used Water Flow to get constant talisman blasts instead on my first playthrough so I was surprised to find out how powerful the sand regen+arrow spam combo is on my second run. If you ever replay, I recommend learning to unbounded counter, because it takes fights like Eigong and Jiequan from great to amazing. The trick is to remember that the parry frames are actually rather long once you let go of the button, so you're basically charging up a brief shield instead of trying to make it frame-perfect. You can hold it for longer than it seems like before releasing if you pressed too early, too.
>>744686898He works differently than the other bosses of the game, he is more of a Dark Souls boss than a Sekiro one. He's also incredibly tank because if you fight him like a Dark Souls boss you will not be raping his posture like you do against other bosses.
>>744687264No idea, the dev interview didn't go much into it. Eigong wasn't going to be the last boss either originally.
i skipped through all dialogue, did this game have a good story
>>744687951Yes but you don't deserve to enjoy it.
>>744688125The BOOOOOOOOHHHHHH TAIIIIIohhHOOOHOhhOHOOO chingchong noises repulse me>My favorite minibosses were Xitian, Jiquan, Wutian and Xiguang broooo I love wuxia!11
>>744688646pipe down you buckbroken filtered retard
>>744688646Brownest post I've read all day
>>744621242No it's too boring
>>744688646>Play Chink game>Complain about Chink naming conventions
>>744688646Thanks for validating my assessment.
>>744687951>>744688646>I am genuinely illiterate, tell me what the story I refused to read wasDisconnect your internet. You'd just refuse to read my post anyway.
>>744688646I came into it worried it would be incomprehensibly dense with Chinese references and it was actually extremely clearly communicated compared to most asian games, and stylish in a way everyone can appreciate. You're insane.
Are the "Battle Memories" fights different from the main game? I feel like I should not be jobbing to early bosses after beating Eigong and having full upgrades, but here I am.
>>744689702Same fights, just damage/health beefed up to compensate for you being fully decked out. Eigong just had more HP last I looked at the chart of differences though, but that doesn't make the fight any harder since you already know her attacks inside out by the time you beat the game.
>>744688802>>744688876>>744688919>>744688921>>744689426>>744689525Eat shit boingers, I turn my 8 inch BWC into a Qi sword and fuck your mother calm with it
>>744689525Yeah, I think I remember an anon talking about them intentionally writing the game such that it'd be satisfying to western narrative standards or somethign
>>744689837I see. I hate the Lady Ethereal fight so much.
>>744691034It was fun for me because I lost a lot, and then the last part finally clicked, and I won, and then I won the next time I tried it. One of those pure pattern recognition fights. I guess a lot of the game is that.
>>744621242I have beaten my dick to Jiequan.
>>744621242got to the last boss, died twice, realized i enjoyed the exploration way more than grinding fights, and just dropped the game there. i enjoyed it but do not plan to ever finish it
>>744665370I think going into Nine Sols expecting a metroidvania really ruined it for me. The thing I like most about the genre is the exploration, it's why Silksong isn't really my favourite indie metroidvania despite having better combat than most cause the exploration sucks.
>>744691273I think that's fair. I don't even call it a Metroidvania. It's a boss rush.
>>744691627it's neither a metroidvania or a boss rush
>>744692008Okay. Give me a genre.
>>744692042It's a solslike
>>744672439Messiah complex that was likely exacerbated by periodic centuries fellating her ego in cryo VR and making her apeman workers worship her
>>744692042unironically best way to describe it is just calling it a 2d sekiro-like
>>744691627I think I would enjoy it if I went in with better expectations cause it's not like I don't enjoy combat focused games. I loved Furi for example.
>>744691627it's not a boss rush either. it has levels, it's just linear, you are just moving forward rather than trying to figure out where to go which is why i don't see it as a metroidvania
>>744689893You just bragged about not being able to read. You're either Indian or an iPad baby, which is basically the same thing. You are brown in every way that matters.
>>744623645You literally cannot she's dying of super AIDS and has like a month to live.
>>744642684I'd say it's on par with Sekiro until the final (true form) boss which is Melania/PMC Radahn tier.
>>744637436based
>replay the game>can't skip any of the story stuffNo wonder hardly anyone speedruns this.
>>744642684>SS IsshinI actually think Isshin (Shura ending) is harder than Sword Saint, beat him on the first try and went to NG+ for the Shura ending and Isshin legit took me dozens of tries, dunno i found his fire bullshit way more annoying than the Sword Saint version.
>>744621962Nine Sols becomes exponentially easier the more you play and the more you realize that fights aren't about reaction or adaptation or battlefield awareness, but are instead about memorizing attacks and rehearsing them until you succeed. A lot of people end up thinking Eigong is only beatable by demigods with korean cybernetic implants wired from their eyes to their fingers, but in truth once you establish a pattern "I see this move, I know when and how I should dodge for the next 3 seconds of this fight based on the pattern", it becomes far easier.
>>744642684Wtf Isshin was a high-ranking Schutzstaffel officer?
>>744696193I have a gut feeling 9S wouldn't be accepted on GDQ/ESA because Taiwan
>>744621242>rejects transhumanism>diesWhat could she have meant by this?
>>744654407>Jies aren't faggotsThere's a reason the playerbase constantly draws Jiequan simping for Yi.
>>744653493Yes. Unless you make it to the upgraded normal talisman. It actually makes the bow really fucking good.
>>744696601>embrace transhumanism>die as wellThe only Sol who lived was the one who embraced a hearty meal
Loving relationship with Yi (and his sister)
>>744697190I mean he's probably going to die too. Every single Solarian is infected.
>>744696562They've already played Chinese games on the stream before. Why not Taiwan?
>>744621962Not really, because unlike God Radahn, she has a clear, surefire way of beating.Once you know what her moves look like, you can react and counter each one of them every time.She is the kind of boss you don't beat through just getting lucky once, but once you beat her, you can probably do it again, and again, right away. Meanwhile Radahn is just fucking cheap with his insane tracking, unblockable and unparriable moves that combo you to death if you're unlucky.
>>744696601She most likely transcended life and lived immortally after death like Lear
>>744696504I like thinking of Nine Sols as a semi randomized rhythm game where instead of having to beat one single established music track, you have to beat 3 second long mini rhythm games thrown at you (somewhat) randomly. And it's fun as fuck.
>>744659420I figured out that she was already gone by how Yi reacted when Kuafu mentioned her.But the twist at the end about the messages being 500 years old, and the last one being her saying goodbye, meaning that she died soon after the departure, since the messages are just a couple of days away from each other at most still got me and I even teared up a bit.
>>744696504Yeah, as someone who's beaten Eigong twice and enjoys doing it, Malenia is much more bullshit.>stands around idling and smacks you if you try to hit her in phase 1>heals if you block her>sometimes just decides to parry you instead of getting staggered>can ignore stance breaks>attacks fast enough to hit you multiple times during a heavy weapon recovery animation>sometimes does her long-distance attacks at point blank range because fuck you>recovers almost instantly even from her giant murder moves>one attack followup can be fast or delayed and there's no indication which is coming>Waterfowl Dance exists>clone attack existsMessmer is better. Hell, Consort Radahn's first phase is better now that the cross slash got patched.
>>744621242I need to go back to it, I played many hours and stopped to play Silksong and KCD2 and then when i finished those games i lost interest in coming back to Nine Sols, Its a decent game for all i remember, but i wasn't so hooked with it as much as /v/tards were.
>>744691273How does silksong possibly have bad exploration?
Alright on my Battle Memories fight I just beat her with unbound counter jade combinations, and I can see why some might call it "cheese", even though it's really just a pretty hard, faster kill (I learned the fight all over again practically). That was way more fun honestly. I used speedy slashes jade to build my own internal damage and the powered up 3rd slash to spend charges without slowing much, then the obvious Divine Hand and Reciprocation to rapidly unbound counter and build her internal damage. My Qi style was water and it's just used to safely confirm her internal damage. Really fucking fun.
I don't think this game has no exploration, just different exploration. You're searching for secrets and shortcuts (ropes and such) the whole time, why isn't that exploring?
>>744700998For me there's just not much to find. No real secret areas, hardly any puzzles. Most of the game is centered around the pavilion and shopkeepers there too.
>>744700896Oh and the game-changer in this strat was speeding up the prep time on Unbounds by using the last parry as the start of the held button press. I didn't even know you could do that until a few tries in.
Don't worry about me, just waiting for your thread to pass by and minding my own business
>>744698395On the other hand you can just make a build that tanks every Radahn hit easily and trivializes the fight. You can't do that with Eigong. You HAVE to learn the fight.
>>744621962>eignog is harder than every souls boss combined
>>744700998It's fairly linear compared to some metroidvanias but also people overestimate the degree to which the genre has actual exploration/density as opposed to just one correct corridor with the rest walled off by "attack you don't have yet - blue flavor"
>>744621242does nine sols even count as a vania? its practically a linear level select game like megaman, just with a hallway in the middle instead of a level select screen.
If Metroid Fusion counts, so does Nine Sols.
>>744706047>if Metroid Fusion counts...should we tell him?
>>744702893Yeah, that's Elden Ring's difficulty post-Leyndell in a nutshell. Either you have to perform well beyond what's reasonable to win or you can just break the game over your knee and not learn the fight at all. Makes me sad because Fromsoft was on quite a run of games with well-balanced boss stats before.
>>744621242nope
>>744707106>Perform well beyond what's reasonableWhatever counts as 'reasonable' varies from person to person.
>>744674862man what Karmelita was one of my favorites. I don't remember it being that heavy on memorization/precision either but then again I was a parryfag with witch + cross stitch
I always dislike parrying, but 100% completing Nine Sols convinced me to never play parry game again. Absolutely miserable experience, only boss I had fun with are first two phases of Lady Ethereal, and even then the third phase kinda ruined the rhythm.
>>744710442Karmelita pushes your dick inside out if you don't keep enough pressure on her. It's the same issue people have with Lost Lace, who teleports like a spastic if you are too far away. A lot of people's issues with inconsistency or "memorization" are actually failures to understand each boss' tempo.
>>744621962The biggest skill check with her is that she will try to force you airborne with several moves that basically make parrying a death trap around 1/4th of the time. You basically have to dodge a bunch of the moves that force you to be airborne or take a red move to the face that you just can't counter (you could also use the talisman that drops you to the ground too I guess)If you never figure that out the entire fight becomes incredibly hard but once you get it down you'll understand what moves to dodge, when to go for that jumping counter on her and when to dodge out of the way of several airborne attacks. >>744698919All games based around parry are rhythm games.
>>744710653That part about LL is definitely true. I remember being really confused by what anons were saying here at the time about the teleporting being a big issue, since most of her patterns can actually be dodged by staying still and jumping. Really the only time you're forced to move on the ground is for the void blobs phase 2 onwards, otherwise just let her do her own thing and get hits whenever her counter stance expires.
>>744711021As I recall you can also parry her counterattack if you're a nut. Your attack speed increases during an opponent's flurry if you're clanking with every attack and that lets you get a longer string on her at the end.
>>744711063I did that a few times but I'm just not good enough to get every parry (also didn't know about the speed up thing). Instead since I played using witch crest I'd intentionally trigger counters and pop my nuke since that was the longest window she'd be stationary for. Ironically it felt a lot like using fully charged talismans on Eigong
>>744711205I used wanderer for the most part but when I replay for the DLC I plan to experiment more.
>>744710653>Karmelita pushes your dick inside out if you don't keep enough pressure on herThat's maybe why I defeated her so quickly, I was very aggressive with her, even tanking hits. Her health run out before mine.
>>744621962I literally just beat her. Im so bad at parry games but this was actually really enjoyable, here i post my fight from phase 2 on just for funhttps://streamable.com/3syptv
>>744710653I did what seemed like the logical thing and tried to play defensively to learn her moves. Apparently this was a bad idea because she just turned into a living blender for the entire battle. Also why the fuck do I have to fight basic enemies before the fight every time.
>>744712016Yeah, she punishes retreating and trying to maintain distance and is much easier to deal with if you keep close. It's a fun motif for a dancer but also like you said it's unintuitive if you're a player who plays it safe. As for the fodder, I dunno. I get that sometimes bosses having attrition waves is part of the fight itself but combined with how slow getting through the dream shit is already it was definitely a slog.
>>744712168Gauntlets were hell during Act 1 and early Act 2. Once you have Injector Band + Multibinder + enough Mask fragments, everything becomes much easier, tho.
>>744660784Yi is a small little ball of anger at the start, it all makes perfect sense for the setting and his character development arc
H-he's fast!
>>744621242i want to play 9sols but i have no idea on where to go and what to do. i dropped it cause of that
>>744715480I had to look up where to go multiple times because I didnt rly pay attention to what the characters were saying. Its a bit tedious until about halfway thru when you get get some upgrades and the combat clicks and then its rly fun
>>744715480Read the dialogue nigga.
>>744696354The fire bullshit is just "lol use the umbrella"
>>744688646cancer killing the site
>>744644919Demon of Hatred is less "difficult" than it is just really long so it's more of a test of endurance.If it had half the HP, it'd be easy enough.
>>744628317Sekiro is actually quite non-linear as soon as you reach Ashina Castle the first time. You can go to Mt Kongo early or beat that one ghost miniboss with some confetti to take alternative routes
>>744642684I'd say the main game is much easier than Sekiro, but the final boss is about on par with Sword Saint
>>744660784I mean, the game still keeps being kinda ruthless with the whole Jiequan torturing you, an immortal solarian being kept alive in a dungeon for eternity, everything about Lady Ethereal etc.The whole game in combination with Shuanshuan is about Yi learning to grow and to let go, seeing that there is something worth preserving over just burning everything down
>>744711513Nice job anon. You really have her second phase down to a science.
>>744715480Sounds like decision paralysis, just pick a direction and explore as far as you can go. If it's the wrong one you still probably got some items, cash and xp, got information on the map screen so you know where things are for the future, and unlocked root nodes.
>>744715480"Where to go" is extremely trivial. Not comparable to Rain World, where you can get completely and utterly lost despite the map pages and known destination.
Ye
>>744687407>You can hold it for longer than it seems like before releasing if you pressed too early, too.And you can also release earlier than you think to get a really fast UC, for me learning the limits of that timing was the most impactful. For example when she does her disappearing move in phase 2 that ends in either a talisman grab or a red downward stab from above, you can spot whether her animation blurs horizontally or vertically, and if you see the vertical blur (i.e. she's jumping up to do the red downstab) you have just enough time to charge an UC. You have to release the parry button a bit early and the animation will finish and it autofires the parry, whereas if you wait until you see the charge animation clearly finished and react to that by releasing, it'll be too late. Getting the muscle memory for a minimum-charge UC is super helpful and actually makes parrying those attacks really consistent, whereas if you don't know how to do it you basically have to dash out of the way because there's no other way to defend against them.
>>744627112>It's still upI mean technically nothing is showing, but it's pretty obvious what they're doing
>>744698919Ye, basically. I think of it like studying for an exam on a subject you don't care enough about to actually understand. You just memorize the answers and then fire them out when the teacher asks questions.>>744699961Don't talk to me of your fromslop unless you have a very good reason to. This tangential semi-relation is not a good reason.
>>744652965Science created the cancer via pursuit of immortality.
>>744657785What's removed is the generic marker for Fusang, not Tianhuo
>>744723816I reported it yesterday when it just got posted and nothing happened. I guess it didn't cross the thresholds for jannies to even look at it.
>>744686914>yes please I want a foid screaming in my ear for 3 minutes 8 secondsStatements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>Cute, stylized animal designs>Grim plot with a fair amount of blood and goreWhy is this so appealing?
>>744689893Actual indian post lmfao
>>744661878Heng would have been born yet, and would be on the other side of the planet.
>>744702251Thanks for the infinite money
>>744723816"Technically nothing is showing" means nothing is showing, retard. An image doesn't become explicit just because it implies something explicit. The rules are not "it has to be child-friendly" or whatever
Everytime...
I wish the game didn't have grindable XP and money or the soulslike corpse run mechanic for them.The game's pacing is very story-driven and the fact that character progression is grinding-driven just doesn't feel right. Yes obviously you don't have to grind at any point, but the fact that you can feels weird, and if you die a lot you might end up having to grind for money for example. It just doesn't fit with the game's pacing.And the corpse run just makes the early game a lot harder when you're already trying to learn the parries and dying a lot from it, so now upgrades and perks just become a lot rarer until you naturally get gud, and then you basically stop dying so it becomes nearly irrelevant except for rare cases where you really fuck up twice in a row. Except for bosses where it turns into a mandatory "go pick up the flower" at the start of every single attempt after the runback, which is also boring as shit and adds nothing whatsoever to the gameplay, except for frustration if you fuck up getting the flower one time out of 20 attempts and lose 5000 Jin as a result.
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>>744700163It didn't hold /v/'s hand
>>744724654Strong contrasts are fun.My favorite archetype to play as is, coincidentally, the assertive manlet, like Yi. In games with character creation I always make my character look short and young and generally not very threatening, and then I make him as dangerous and dominant as I can, because I like the contrast between the appearance of weakness and the reality of danger.
>>744725224Twasn't upset, just surprised.
>>744621242No.
