This is just the only RTS you ever need.
>>744637563Half complete, including a bunch of features that showed great promise but no one ever took to their true potential?
>>744637563I only need brood war and wc3 though
>>744637563>remake never everaaaaaaaaaa
>>744637765install ts-launcher and vinifera and bam there you go
>>744637563I never understood the timeline of both CNC timelines. Was the timeline where the soviets win the normal CNC timeline with Kane and if the americans win its Red Alert 2 and onwards?
>>744637563TibSun with shaders looks really good.
>>744637908don't worry about it
>>744637951>it glows now!Just because it's oversaturated doesn't mean it looks better. That look washes out the original art style too much.
>>744637908Every single Red Alert game is a "what if" scenario and they don't tie together. Even if they did, due to time machine shit it's impossible to actually draw a cohesive timeline of any kind.There's always been rumors that the timelines were planned to be merged and fleshed out more before EA involvement but since it never actually happened in any game that's just idle speculation.
We didn't know how good we had it, with live FMV executions (televised) and all.
>>744637908Just assume they're all separate universes, and the inconsistencies generally stop. Then you just get different oddities where the "true ending" to each game sometimes requires events to happen from the opposing factions campaign...but that can't really happen without them actually winning as well. CnC3 probably does this best where you play as Nod and GDI at different points in the same campaign to make the inconsistencies less obvious. The Scrin campaign also works (mostly) thanks to the Scrin only appearing long enough to notice humanity is still alive on the planet, and these monkeys are more dangerous than expected before they leave and promptly never get mentioned again in the series. A shame, I would've liked to see a follow up to the Scrin as an actual military invasion happened and not just a mining conglomerate and it's personal security forces dropping in.
>>744638060>There's always been rumors that the timelines were planned to be mergedWasn't that obvious with Kane being in Red Alert 1 and if the Soviets win, it's subtly nudging that the events of CNC 1 happen after that?
>>744638130>CnC3
>>744638078To this day I don't know how the fuck they managed to get Michael Biehn and James Earl Jones for this game.
>>744637998Sims 3 is another game where you can farm literal tiberium and become a millionaire overnight.
>>744637765Demake will just ruin the sovl post apocalyptic feel
>>744638274Eh, the C&C remakes are pretty much the gold standards for remakes imo.
Tangentally related: is Tempest Rising any fun? Lack of FMVs aside?
>>744638156Quiet you, CnC3 was the last good CnC game before EA decided to turn the IP into mobile game trash. Kane's Wrath is legit one of the best expansions in the series and offered a lot to the game that it needed. Subfactions, Risk style campaign mode, new campaigns and skirmish maps. It was practically everything the base game was missing.4 is the one you should be disassociating with.
>>744638320From what I've seen it's competent but lacks any kind of character.
>>744638141Not necessarily. It might imply that the Soviets winning is a bad end for the original timeline.
>>744638326There was a small moment where CnC could have been a milscifi giant like Halo at its peak. Then it passed.
>>744638141RA1 is where it all beginsIf allies win -> more Red AlertIf soviets win -> C&C timelineAlso Kane is the biblical Caine, not some lame ayyy
>>744638320Okay, getting better, but yeah the game feels like a Command and Conquer game with the serial numbers filed off. GDI replace with GDF, Tempest Dynasty is a little bit of Nod and the Soviets thrown together. The pseudo-alien faction comes from below instead of from space, and all the super weapons and super units feel like they were balanced for some kind of competitive multiplayer instead of being cool as shit just for the fun of it. The most interesting thing is the campaign has side objectives that give you resources you can spend (and change later) for campaign specific upgrades that let you specialize or upgrade your units. So going out of your way to do the side objectives can extend the length of a mission, potentially increasing its difficulty, but you get long term rewards that can make the campaign very replayable.
>>744638046I'll take the glowy tiberium even if it 'subdues' the original artstyle.
>>744638357It's bizarre that every woman in the game wears a mask.What, they can't model female faces?
>>744637563tib sun is probably one of the most overrated games ever >muh athmosphere ok, what else? this is the final mission, look how empty the map is
>>744638581>It's bizarre that every woman in the game wears a mask.That's good actually.
>>744637563Its not a very good C&C RTS though. It ran like shit at the time and people hated that terrain deforming would prevent you from rebuilding your base. At the time most people just played the campaign through once and went back to Red Alert 1 (then later 2, then Generals) for multiplayer.
>>744638587If you left the game running half the map would be overrun by the veinholes. Modern RTS can't even do that.
>>744638959gimmickif you ignite a tree in Generals, all nearby trees also will be set on fire, the fire does damage I haven't seen any RTS games doing that either
>>744639072Factorio?
>>744637563As much as I love TibSun, I genuinely think RA2 is better and more fun.
>>744639072That's kinda sad, you're just saying that RTS have been getting worse and worse.
>>744638587
>>744637563Based, just finished the GDI campaign + Firestorm. Pure kino>>744639072>if you ignite a tree in Generals, all nearby trees also will be set on fire, the fire does damage TS does the same thing
>>744639153this applies for all games
It's crazy how broken the pre-Firestorm NOD artillery was.Homing artillery shells.
>>744637908RA2 just isn't canon in the Tiberium Timeline, it's a soft retcon. Kane and Nod is shown in RA1 so we know the Brotherhood has been working from the shadows for decades, they just weren't successful that time.
all this cnc talk and nobody has posted best girl, lisette
>>744639464It wouldn't just be Nod existing in the RA universe, but the tiberium itself needs to be present as well, which it isn't for RA1 and beyond. No amount of time travel shenanigans is going to make it so the green space rock doesn't land in the Mediterranean and radically alter human history and technological advancement. That's not even getting into the alien involvement either.
>>744639440and they put them fucking EVERYWHERE in the campaign, always on top of cliffs that you have to walk all the way around to scaleit's also crazy how fucking shit the pre-Firestorm GDI disruptor tank was.yeah let's make the tank with the giant friendly-fire laser THE SLOWEST FUCKING THING EVER which will always put it at the back of your army killing your own dudes accidentally. at least it became ultra-fast in Firestorm.
for me it's pic
>>744637563Would be completely true if it had art at the technical quality of Red Alert 2.
>>744639072>if you don't watch where your units are path-finding you can flatten entire battalions without noticingImagine needing that level of positioning in a spess game like Sins. End up bumping off your capitals because they got unceremoniously kamikaze'd by a horde of cheap frigates.
>>744639440IIRC it also one shot infantry with splash damage.
>>744637563The performance on modern systems is atrocious.>>744637805>viniferaFirst time hearing it>project extending the Tiberian Sun engineIsn't that much descriptive, but maybe it could remedy the slowdowns? I was waiting for OpenRA to pick up the winning baton, and waiting, and waiting... My only solution was dgVoodoo wrapper and coping with sluggish gameplay. Never finished even one side's campaign.
>>744639662no game like this will ever be made again
>>744638959>>744639072>>744639153This is due to the gookclickers and devs thinking they should cater to them.
>>744637563Tiberian sun was my favorite RTS of all time but got usurped by Dust Front.
>>744637951Looks blurry, you don't need post processing, it's pretty glowy as is.
>muh small mapsStop playing in HD you stupid niggers
Scratch that, this is just the only RTS you ever need.
>>744638587I've beaten this before years ago but I had no idea how few resources you had and how many NOD bases were there, including one right next to you. That looks like bullshit from this angle.
>>744637563I love Tiberian Sun but I can't play just one RTS for the rest of my life. Give me variety.
>>744641048>>744641136>we'll never get a remake/remaster of Earth 2150, because nobody cares this game existsSadge
>>744639440Playing the GDI campaign and seeing one of those motherfuckers in a narrow passage put the fear of God in me. And the one reasonable counter, air units, are shit and AA shots across the half of the fucking map. And even in Firestorm it's still very strong.
>>744641568Holy fukken' SOVL.
>>744641765I loved TA, but it was horribly unbalanced.ARM units were OP and the CORE fucking sucked. The expansions and downloadable .ufo files made it even worse, because ARM got the fast repair bots and in response CORE got... a gigantic, slow and expensive mech that maybe caused a little damage before ARM ran rings around it.
>>744642063I'd say having cute anime girls in NOD was retarded, but Renegade straight up gave them their own counterpart to the GDI Commando and it was a hot Japanese chick.
tibsun was the worst C&C game after C&C4
>>744642329Renegade was such a 2000s FPS story>The evil chick turns good in the end and leaves with the commando protagIt was cool raiding the ruins of the Temple of NOD directly after the final GDI mission from the original game though. Even if it retcons the fuck out of Kane being Ion Cannoned.
>>744642748The protagonist also has some pretty good zingers.>Congratulations, gentlemen. We now officially rank as a nuclear threat.
>>744642748fun singleplayer and one of the best multiplayer modes ever>that obelisk charge up sound as a gdi soldier
>>744637563Remaster never everThough honestly, the only thing I really want is for the resolution to be uprated to match Tib Dawn/RA1 Remaster's.
>>744643046I recently found an Unreal Tournament '99 mod that adds vehicles for Capture the Flag, and it ALMOST feels like Renegade's multiplayer. Shame it doesn't add buildings with objectives though.
>>744642401Heresy. C&C4 is not an actual C&C game.Though yeah I'll admit that it feels kind of unfinished when compared next to RA2 and all the mechanics it adds. Infantry are basically useless which is a shame as I think their designs in Tib Sun beat what came before or after (which is why Kane's Wrath deciding to replace militants with them was neat AF.)
>>744642080Sometimes it's better to stay remembered.
>>744642748>>744643046My one regret is genre melding FPS never really caught on.
>>744639072That is something Westwood directly lifted from Total Annihilation, even though it really doesn't make sense that your super-gundams that fight by throwing relativistic projectiles at each other in that game are getting singed by a little wildfire.
>>744643363What was that?
>>744638469I'm of the belief a good chunk of Halo was directly inspired by C&C during its stage as an RTS before going into shooter mode. Tell me this isn't the Renegade stealth tank, or that the Grizzly isn't the Mammoth Mod. 2509, or that the ODSTs aren't the next generation drop pod troopers.That's not a dig on Halo btw, I think the implied continuity makes it even cooler.
>>744643408battlefield 2 was kinda like that with fps, capture points, vehicles and a commander overseeing things but the tiberium universe is miles more interesting than the sandbox
rate my duel map I spent all weekend on it(to be fair the vast majority of that time was figuring out the map making tool)
>>744643707oh the megamap doesn't have the spawns listedthey're near the refineries in top right and bottom left
>>744643420Don't remind me of Homeworld 3.It is so obvious it was written by a woman.>yes, there is a Galaxy-spanning war, and people are dying, and I am supposed to be responsible for them, but what about MY problems?All the protagonist needed was a fucking therapy dog, she was so emotionally unstable.
>>744643707Looks fun.The map is just begging to bunker up in the bottom right corner and Maginot Line the living fuck out of that bridge.
>>744643420>0:06 MOM SAID ITS MY TURN TO MOTHER THE SHIP
>>744638235Now that's something I didn't knew.Maybe it's time to get Sims 3?
>>744644032But only with the sex mods.
>>744644065I dunno, everyone in that game looks like an Oblivion character
>>744643936>bunker up in the bottom right corner and Maginot Line the living fuck out of that bridge.You are thinking of fun in an RTS game and maybe even a match that lasts more than 15 minutes, a major mistake. You're supposed to sweat your ass off from the first second to secure as many of those tiberium fields as you can to get your econ going ASAP and rush the enemy.I love TS but it suffers from the same issues pretty much every other RTS game has when played online: tall play is impossible, only wide is viable. Loud compfag sweaties are very loud which also made RTS devs listen to them thinking they were the majority, and now most modern RTS do all they can to avoid you building a defensive line and "dragging" out the game more than 20 minutes. Which is why RTS keep flopping and 95% of the players just want to play SP: the vast majority want to play tall, not a wide sweatfest.This is actually a problem across the entire strategy genre as a whole: Stellaris for example has the same issue where tall is not viable (it was viable during a small window years ago but thankfully PDX's great designers saved us from fun), and sure enough 99% of the community plays singleplayer where they can do tall.
>>744644479That's why my most cherished memories of online RTS play were casual 3v3 with my buddies against the CPU in Starcraft 1.Oh, the shenanigans we got up to.
>>744637908>I never understood the timeline of both CNC timelines.Allied/GDI is the canon timeline in every game, except C&C3 where you play two sides of the same story.Timeline is:- RA1 (1950s): Einstein invents the time machine, goes back in time, kills hitler. Stalin launches WW2 instead.- C&C (1990s): United Nations creates a black ops team from looted soviet tech, to protect the worlds status quo. They botch Desert Storm which gets televised (thanks to Nod), to save face they get officially ratified as the United Nations Global Defense Initiative. Tiberium asteroid lands, GDI tries managing the situation, Nod releases harvesting tech and becomes a superpower overnight, but eventually loses. Kane gets ion cannoned.- TS (2030s): Tiberium is everywhere except the polar regions. GDI tries evacuating people into those areas. Kane is alive, reunifies Nod and tries launching world-altering missiles, gets stopped by Michael Biehn.- Firestorm (follows TS): Cabal uprising. GDI gets the Tacitus and uses the info in it to create sonic weapons to block the spread of Tiberium.- C&C3 (2050s): Nod tricks GDI to ion cannon a liquid T deposit, baiting the Scrin harvesting team, who Kane wants to build their towers which are really stargates.- C&C3 KW (2030-50s): explains what happened between TS and C&C3 and a bit after.for Red Alert 2+:- Continuum (2050s?, cancelled Westwood C&C MMO): Nod finds a WW2 chronosphere. They reactivate it and send back in time Udo Kier, one of their psychic acolites.- RA2 (1970s): Yuri influenced the USSR to go on war, while he tries building psychic dominators to take over the planet.- YR (follows RA2): Yuri wins, allies use a time machine to go back to the middle of RA2 to make sure Yuri loses.- RA3 (present day): decades after RA2, USSR is about to collapse, so they use a time machine to kill Einstein. The world becomes looney tunes, Tim Curry has to escape capitalism by going into space.
>>744638502Nah, word of god was that RA1 leads to C&C1 and that the good guy endings are always canon. Kane is in RA1 to tie things together and make it obvious that it is the same story. Outside the game bibles, and the developers intending it to be a prequel, the only subtle nod to this I remember is RA1 Counterstrike. It has the ant missions where the faction you play as is proto-GDI (they have almost all of the GDI units but in their RA1 incarnation).RA2 is an alternate timeline created by Yuri. But the game where this was supposed to be shown got cancelled when EA in their infinite wisdom killed Westwood. So RA2 is stuck being an alternate universe.Also keep in mind that RA2 was not made by the core Westwood team to begin with, but the one that would go on to become EA LA, which explains why it is so wacky compared to RA1, C&C and TS.
SPAAAACE
>>744638587Man I remember using the amphibious transports and hovercraft to move down the right side, and take over the bottom right base via the power plants. Westwoods games had so well made maps, you could either play them straight or have 2-3 alternate tricky ways to complete them.
>>744641942I played through it once as a kid and i hated it simply because it had a timer
>>744639072>if you ignite a tree in Generals, all nearby trees also will be set on fire, the fire does damage>>744643417>That is something Westwood directly lifted from Total AnnihilationRed Alert 1 already had "trees catching fire", it's just that you had to actively shoot them and they didn't spread from one to another. It also allowed you to open up extra paths in the campaign.Also you could set buildings on fire and the fire did small damage over time. Only like a few pixels only, but it was an active game logic, and if you did not repair a critically damaged building, it would just get destroyed on its own due to the flames.I don't remember how much of that did TS bring over, I think it definitely had the buildings being damaged over time from flames.and god damn the tiberium flora in Firestorm looked crazy atmospheric.
>>744637563That's not BAR...
>>744645260You are damn right it isn't.
>>744638502The allied campaign has a news report mid campaign mentioning the formation of a global defence initiative to ensure wars like the one you're fighting don't happen again. The GDI are formed in both campaigns.
>>744637563The vibes of Tiberian Sun are superb, all the more shame for what they did with Tiberium Wars, the latter honestly felt like a prequel.
>>744637563>concrete>artillery>firestorm wallno thanks, i don't want never ending turtling. atmosphere, movies and music are pure kino though.>>744637908original idea was that allied ra1 was canon in tiberium universe, with no other wars following until tiberian dawn. soviet campaign is only partially canonical, but it was meant to show kane is indeed alive in this universe. while ra2 is quite standalone and kane's presence was silenty abandoned to not confuse new players, they actually still worked with the idea of connecting the universes - yuri was supposed to be kane's experiment that was send back in time when gdi and nod were fighting in area 51 during firestorm crisis - see cut content for CNC3: incursion (future tiberium wars).
>>744637563I don't find it that fun to play if I'm being completely honest with you. Great aesthetics though.
>>744645473Yeah, C&C 3 felt like it should have been before TS>Oh yeah, those advanced mechs we all had? We went back to tanks>Yeah the world is still fucked but it's also fine for the most part? People still merrily live in Europe despite it being ground zero somehow. Places nowhere near the Tiber river are redzones though.It's all over the place.
>>744637563Tiberium lore tidbit, Scrin as a faction actually made its first appearance in Tiberian sun, They were observing earth long before tiberium wars, which is when they attacked.
be honest, is this and its expansion worth playing?
>>744645947Yes.
>>744645785yes, but most of these can be explained. mechs were too expensive to produce, tacitus' information allowed countermeasures to some ecological problems and helped to create sonic disruptors to combat some tiberium land infestation. but TW was obviously sla soft reboot of the franchise with modern graphics.
>>744639874>>project extending the Tiberian Sun engine>Isn't that much descriptive, but maybe it could remedy the slowdowns?It's mainly a modding thing that enables mods like Dawn of the Tiberium Age that play completely different than base TS. It can add features build tabs and better rally points to the base game though. The slowdowns are usually caused by poor rendering, cnc-ddraw fixes this by adjusting the tick rate. If the slowdown is from unit pathing then there's no fix. OpenRA is never going to be a faithful recreation I'm afraid, it's trying to be its own thing.
>>744637563You are correct, my dearest friend.
>>744641568Twisted Insurrection looks so good, shame it will never be finished
>>744645864wasn't kane a scrin or their agent? i haven't played c&c3 in a long time so i could be wrong
>>744645864So what was their role in the original CNC3 pitch? Were they going to make an appearance, or were they something that was being saved for an expansion?
>>744637563starcraft and even dawn mogs the shit out of this
>>744645785>>744646041Kane's Wrath amends that the mechs are still used, they've just been relegated to the Talons because tanks are still good in the blue zones that Kane takes the fight into. In the yellow and red zones, you still encounter Titans and Wolverines.
>>744643420>webmwhat the fuck is this shit
Tib Sun is... furry...?
>>744643936>>744644479the whole reason I made the map is to address as many flaws in the game as possible.There's so much that can be solved through mapping.Veins damage all vehicles except harvesters so allow exclusive infantry lanes, ice sinks tanks and walkers so only allows light vehicles and lighter, one-way repairable bridges create opt-in choke pointsnot to mention capturable buildings I littered throughout the map and a micro base full of buildings in the corners accessible only by carryall+APC+engineer or drill APC+engineer to shake up late gamethe sad truth is there just aren't many good maps for these gamesSO much can be solved with good mapping
>>744643707Man I love the lighting in Tiberian Sun. I think it looks good. I dunno if it's something you'd include but I like it when maps have limited blue tib or gems near the starting point so you can get going quicker
>>744643707Do the old buildings render the same in game? They look so out of place without being affected by lighting, but idk if it's just in editor.And top left helipad is placed on top of treesLooks cool but contested blue tiberium field next to base for the cost of 1 engineer is too much of a threat to ignore. You'll have to keep an eye on that and all the fighting is going to happen there if any of the 2 people decides to harvest it.
>>744646760Night + light sources is very simple but effective.
>>744646749>allow exclusive infantry lanesWhoa, you found a way to make infantry useful in Tib Sun.
>>744646041>>744646634By that logic GDI wouldn't have produced mechs in the first place, obviously the existence of TS implies they figured out a way to make mechs make sense and then TW comes in and has to be the "well actually" guy, they are just retarded ad hoc justifications. Using the Tacitus to make countermeasures against tiberium does make sense, but tiberium was supposed to be more like a mutating floral virus type shit, not actual crystals that those retarded developers transformed it into in TW, in an actual C&C3 GDI would be fighting against mutated wildlife and plants to land by land sterilize tiberium in addition to Nod.
>>744645947Yes, very but the campaign for the base game is bugged due to EA "fixing" a imbalance caused with multiplayer. You receive less resources per drop off which fucks up the balance of the singleplayer missions that still operate under the assumption you're getting the original amount. So a lot of missions can be stupidly hard as you'll be resource starved trying to keep up with the AI that has infinite resources and will always have specific timings for their attacks. A fan patch fixes that, but otherwise it's still a fun campaign that highlights the strengths of all 3 factions and their playstyles. Kane's Wrath ramps it to 11 and brings back the cyberpunk dystopian look of Tiberian Sun, down to making a lot of the units look as close to their Tibsun equivalents (the Hand of Nod gets to be a literal hand again) and the campaigns are still great. You can get both pretty cheap nowadays and it's got a lot of mod support.
>>744646853They make sense because the terrain you fight in Tib Sun is so tiberium-saturated that in many places they function as natural tank traps. The only tanks in those games are Mammoths limited to a few missions that were implied to had been abandoned in their bases because they physically couldn't leave them and Ticks which were made with the ability to dig to solve the same problem. The Tick itself shows that tanks weren't rendered ineffective in general, they just couldn't be brought to bear.
>>744646550>wasn't kane a scrin or their agent?No, that was never planned or part of the lore. The Scrin were always antagonists to everyone, even Kane and Nod, they just want to steal Scrin tech. The Tacitus device that is introduced in TibSun, that Kane uses to learn how to lure the Scrin, is from an alien race the Scrin destroyed
>>744646853CnC3 still has the mechs for both GDI and Nod, with GDI naturally getting Juggernauts as one of their big ground artillery units that can flatten bases by themselves and stop some Nod attacks with the help of sniper support. Kane's Wrath brought back the rest of them, and Steel Talons as a faction is fun, but you go all in as the mechanized subfaction to the point that GDI's big weakness to air becomes even bigger. Still, Titans and Wolverines mulch any equivalent unit both from other factions and from mirror match ups.
>>744637563By Kane I would blow up some GDI scum right now.
Why did they remove Slavik in CnC3?
>>744646853as I said, TW is a soft reboot. autistic arguments will lead us nowhere. it was 7 years between firestorm and TW during time of impressive and pivotal technological jump from sprites to full 3d model graphics, plus EA acquisition of westwood, and many original ideas were abandoned.
>>744647129Too based for a bad game.
>>744647178Kane's Wrath feels like an actual direct sequel to TS, which makes the fact it leads into TW only more confusing.
>>744646021more video girls should be in tactical tube tops
the greatest tragedy in post-Westwood C&C is how EA never actually allowed any development time Red Alert 3 spent the most time in production and it was 18 months, you can see how many corners were cut just by the unit pathing
>>744647246no. it is literally an attempt to bridge the gap for old fans. Rio Insurrection feels a bit like happening right after TS, but I guess modding all vehicles and units would be too demanding.
>>744637563Which of the C&C games are worth playing anons? I always wanted to try out the series so should I start with one or something else?
>>744647401And it works well for being a sequel to Tiberium Sun, but it still doesn't slot neatly before Tiberium Wars.One of the issues I heard is that EA was operating under the assumption Tiberium Dawn happened in 2020 for some reason due to a mistake in documentation so the lore was crunched to make sense under that lens when they wrote Tiberium Wars and only realized the mistake after the game was ready to ship because lol no dev time.
>>744647494All of them but 4 and the other crappy spinoff games made for mobile devices.
>>744646825>Whoa, you found a wayit's in the gameit's intentional designit's baffling nobody the fuck has ever made maps built around all the unique tiberium elementsveins make infantry lanes, tiberium makes infantry killing lanes... just an OUNCE of creativity in making a map and you can have a really interesting strategic scenario
>>744647494Start from first one and end at Kane's Wrath
>>744646961Just only update to 1.01 it's 1.05+ that fucks the economy
>>744646651I honestly miss the mutant faction. Baiting the tiberium dogs to attack enemies was great. Kills from tiberium create more mutants
>>744646792>Looks cool but contested blue tiberium field next to base for the cost of 1 engineer is too much of a threat to ignore.you missed the two cyborg commandos guarding the field, they'll delete a harvester in seconds and require attention to deal with. You can't nigger them to death with air units either because of the AA obelisks.also the image extracted into the megamap is pretty much 1:1 what it looks like in-game. The old buildings just look bad. They're meant to be destroyed to make way for the tiberium field otherwise I wouldn't include them.Honestly the mapping tools (WAE) are really good now. There's still a bit of a learning curve and there's fuck-all in the way of actual tutorials so you have to really sit down and work with it but overall I think it's really fun, and because Tiberian Sun is so unique in its design there's just so many possibilities for cool maps.
>>744647985>I honestly miss the mutant faction?C&C ended with Firestorm
>>744648214Forgotten are a non-playable faction in tiberium sun and firestorm
>>744648214It ended with Generals nigga.Nah but I don't think we should let the forbidden 4th entry taint the post-Westwood mainline games, they were still pretty good for how much EA was absolutely ripping into the developers.
>>744648214The original c&c MK1 mammoth tank is exclusively used by the mutant faction in tib sun.
>>744648319>>744648272Point -> .You're head -> o
>>744648386>you're head
>>744637563sometimes when i get to work in the morning i play this in my office for like an hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zaNq647Crg
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>>744637805i use the CnC launcher for TS and RA2 and it's pretty nice
>>744648436https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IB79iNCeb0
>>744648446>i was only pretending to be retarded
>>744648483Were you pretending to be retarded when you didn't understand my simple point that Firestorm is where C&C ended or you just are?
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>>744645785it's like you didn't play the game I swear>>Oh yeah, those advanced mechs we all had? We went back to tanksIntel database explains this. Nod became too good at blowing up the mechs legs, so they went back to tanks. This is even something you can do in-game, with the nod/gdi commando being able insta kill Juggernauts, Avatars, Tripods, and in KW Titans as well.>>Yeah the world is still fucked but it's also fine for the most part?Firestorm ends with GDI unlocking a lot of info from the Tacitus about Tiberium. This allowed them to create ways of controlling Tiberium. In one of the campaign missions, Nod fights in a city, and one of the objectives is to "spread tiberium" which in practice means destroying the sonic walls around a very small tiberium patch, allowing it to grow to a full size field.Weather effects were also planned into the game but got cut because the game was rushed. Ion storms turned from theaterwide effects to a Scrin weapon.One thing I missed was the ability for terrain to morph and deform from extended attacks, but that would've been far harder to do with the games engine (I mean Populous The Beginning had it but that one had very basic 3d graphics).
>>744648884>One thing I missed was the ability for terrain to morph and deform from extended attacks, but that would've been far harder to do with the games engineIs there terrain deformation from building though? Or was that in Generals? Like if there's a small hill you can build on it and it will be flattened. I guess it would have been pretty unbalanced since even now it's hard to find spots to build on
>>744648884That could had been neat since it would had been able to be back-ported into Renegade, since they all function off the W3 engine.
>>744648482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy0g1na1k0c
>>744648050you missed the two cyborg commandos guarding the field, they'll delete a harvester in seconds and require attention to deal with. You can't nigger them to death with air units either because of the AA obelisks.Oh I did, forgot what the obelisks were too. > The old buildings just look bad. They're meant to be destroyed to make way for the tiberium field otherwise I wouldn't include them.There's white lamp in bottom right, but it looks inactive. They would look better if the ambient lighting was also white. Or with no light but then you can't have them next to tiberium.
>>744648482>>744649367https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPTsD_Y8LXM
Tiberian Sun was the absolute peak of RTS aesthetics and athmosphere, nothing else comes close. The screenshots ITT still look great to this day.
>>744646550Depends.- In C&C3 Kane tricks the Scrin into invading (fun fact: it wasn't an invasion force, just a small harvesting team. The invasion force would be a lot bigger.), so they can build their tower which is a stargate, Kane wants this tower completed at all costs. Scrin data logs show that they are VERY interested in learning more about Kane for some reason not elaborated on.- The game we never mention extrapolated on this by Kane wanting to use the stargate in the tower to go home. Someone once mentioned (I'm not sure if this was in the game) that he is in fact an alien, and everything he did, guiding humanity from antiquity, was a means to an end so he can escape this prison Earth.- Renegade had him as the biblical Cain (Renegade even had Abel's crypt in a temple).- TS mentions that Kane didn't acquire the Tacitus, he made it.- Firestorms ending shows that Cabal had a bunch of clone tanks with many Kanes inside, whatever this implies was never expanded upon.So... you have to draw your own conclusion. He can be anything from either a scrin agent, alien prisoner, a living biblical figure, a dude who keeps getting cloned as to make it appear that he never ages, a crazy terrorist nut, or the messiah himself.
>>744644632So, what causes the Middle Eastern fuckfest if the Soviets aren't an enemy of the west in the Tiberium timeline?
>>744649474i don't think RA2 has an equivalent to lone trooper but it's easily my favorite TS song up there with pharotek, heroism and scouting
>>744649610>Scouting You have good tastes, my friend.
>>744649509>or the messiah himself.well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97vwd6kFqBs
>>744646853TS uses mechs because the terrain was so fucked that tanks had issues. Nod reacted by learning to C4 their legs, which made the mechs phased out, except by the Steel Talons who use old school tech.C&C3 has a lot of the planet cleaned since after Firestorm they decoded parts of the tacitus and learned that they can use powerful sonics to either prevent Tiberium growth (shown in the C&C3 Nod campaign), or to shatter tiberium outright (their Sonic Emitter weapon was originally intended for controlling Tiberium, says so in the intel database, I think).That plus advancement in tank tech meant they could go back to more economical tanks instead of more expensive/powerful mechs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_1bKBitnKg
anyone else get mechwarrior vibes from tiberian sun especially the soundtrack?
TIBERIUM IS SPICE
>>744650058https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOmX6HmGp0U
>>744650107god westwood made such amazing games>c&c>dune>nox>legend of kyrandia
>>744650301https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvpGBi5pMnM
>>744646853>but tiberium was supposed to be more like a mutating floral virus type shit,No, Tiberium was always supposed to be a towering killer crystal. It was inspired by the b-movie The Monolith Monsters, which have an alien crystal that suck up moisture to grow to immense size, then tumble down, break to tiny bits, and repeat the cycle - if a human was contaminated, the monoliths would suck up all the moisture from them, turning the human into a salt statue. Westwood was really heavy into b-movies and took a lot of inspiration from them.In C&C and TS it just sucks up all minerals from the earth. You harvest it because refined tiberium basically has everything that was in the earth, making it the best mining tool, making refined tiberium worth more than gold.How it works is that it also mutates life. Trees get mutated into blossom trees, and have tiberium in their spores, which then spread with the wind and mutate more stuff. The tiberium fields themselves are NOT the spores belched up by the blossom trees however, but the roots of the blossom tree that grows small pods on it that will grow the crystals. This is shown in an in-game cinematic.The short version is that tiberium is a scrin mining tool. It sucks up all natural resources of a planet making it easy to harvest, plus it breaks down and kills all native life. It's also extremely volatile, when it reaches critical mass it explodes spectacularly, signaling the Scrin that it's time to harvest. This is what Kane mimicked in the C&C3 campaign to trick the Scrin to Earth, who were then surprised to see humans still alive.>in an actual C&C3 GDI would be fighting against mutated wildlife and plants to land by land sterilize tiberium in addition to Nod.Nah, they did that in TS, which ends with them learning how to fight Tiberium. Then they spend 20 years cleaning up the planet.
>>744649509>just a small harvesting team.I'm still mad that we never got a proper conclusion to the Scrin storyline. The Foreman had the best intel officer since she went against her directive and their superior officer just to save the Foreman.
>>744650426https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhGxNn6_Qo
>>744650426Man, I need to replay this.
>>744649509according to (outdated) cnc bible,tacitus was originally made by mars civilization called hyksos (oy vey, irl those were semites who invaded old kingdom egypt)https://www.moddb.com/downloads/command-conquer-bible
>>744646961>Yes, very but the campaign for the base game is bugged due to EA "fixing" a imbalance caused with multiplayer.This is false. The only campaign bug the patches introduced is that one Nod mission where you have to build a turret an optional parameter, but you start with a crane which was patched to be unable to built turrets for balance reasons.However you can still build an MCV, and use that to built a turret. So it's possible. The mission just doesn't tell you about doing this.>You receive less resources per drop off which fucks up the balance of the singleplayer missionsfalse, all the eco changes were for Kane's Wrath, not C&C3.what the C&C3 patch changed was making all harvesters harvest at the same speed, which was a bugfix.>So a lot of missions can be stupidly hardfalse, all the missions are all really fucking easy, except the commando ones which can be challenging (fuck Operation Stiletto).like people say the Croatia GDI mission is hard but the map is littered with money crates and you can sell walls for a ton of money, use predators to clean the upper right base, take it over with apc engineers, now you can build buildings and you can basically take over the entire map... without touching the GDI MCV convoy at all. It's one of the easiest maps but people claim it's "hard", because they are retards.
>>744649558>what is brotherhood of nodanon, I...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErrGTqxzT2c>show this>give c&c 4
>>744647178>TW is a soft rebootIt was done by huge fans of the game but on a shoestring budget in a rushed development timeline because EA was afraid of Starcraft 2 stealing their thunder (which ended up coming out years later).It was an okay game considering the circumstances.>>744647246KW was even more rushed (worse, it was outsourced) and broke a ton of things like graphic effects from TS and was released with a metric fuckton of bugs that took 20 years for fan patches to fix.I mean I love the game but if you played it from day one you'd be aware of how bad it was initially.>which makes the fact it leads into TW only more confusing.KW campaign takes place in 3 acts:1. between TS -> TW (with you dealing with different splinter factions to unify Nod),2. during TS (it explain a bunch of stuff that was glossed over in that game), and3. after TW (when you activate the marked of kane to reclaim the Tacitus)
>>744647985One multi tactic I remember from the TS days was running your initial infantry force into blue tib fields near the opponents base, so they'd have to deal with the spawned visceroids (which were so insanely strong in TS).
>>744637563TibDawn and TibSun are just so perfectSame with RA 1-2Incredible run of gamesI even like RA3 though not C&C3 so much.
>>744649558>So, what causes the Middle Eastern fuckfest if the Soviets aren't an enemy of the west in the Tiberium timeline?In the Tiberium timeline it's Nod who is arming the muslims (never mind the fact that Nod also has military bases and their own temples in Egypt). The middle eastern fuckfest happened because they dropped a certain country in a region where muslims have lived for 1500+ years by then, and then proceeded to genocide the native muslims. Soviets just armed the muslims because the certain country they opposed was armed by the Americans: standard civil war fare.
>>744650301
>>744651601Oh yeah, the problem of Germany being really sick of a certain demographic cramping up their lebensraum hadn't been really solved in RA1, so it's probably that following the war said group of people were given a less extreme ultimatum to go back to that place in the desert they keep singing praises about and never return and the Allies will fund the effort.
>>744651226For me, the worst part of the TW are the cutscenes. They are in HD, have a lot of famous actors, and at the same time feel very cheap and sterile.They really couldn't afford better sets and costumes? C&C1 looked better than this.
>>744650301kyrandia had some fucking banger music and background art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjx9lcF2AXc
KANE LIVES IN DEATHPEACE THROUGH POWER
>>744652161I played the third game at a cousin's house back in the day, had no idea what I was supposed to be doing and just messed around doing random shit, good memories.
>>744646749>SO much can be solved with good mappingtrvke. Reminds me how most of Empire at War mods also fail to rework the weaker ground maps
>>744638141Well Kane was directing the fmvs.
>>744653926RTS lives and dies on map designthe ten thousand eastern europeans who throw themselves into constant 16 player matches on featureless maps that end up being actual RNG notwithstanding
>>744641942It's mostly because the map expands as you complete each objective.But yes it's complete bullshit. You lose so many guys attacking the first base. Victory doesn't feel like executing a superior strategy. It's just losing 3 times until you memorize exactly where your orca bombers need to go.Jesus christ why are the throwback Mammoths so worthless?
>>744637563>grab as many units as possible and attack move them in enemy's base direction to winSorry, I prefer thinking man's strategy games.Generals was the best C&C
>>744650587>ywn have a cutie-patootie Mothership AI waifu who will disobey her programming and rebel against directives in order to save your lifeit's not fair /v/ros.....;_;
>>744646196It looks good until you try to play it and you learn that half the units are redundant and the other half you can't tell apart from each other.So it's the perfect C&C game.
>>744643529It's more like they all draw from the same sources; Aliens, Starship Troopers, Robocop.
KANE LIVES!
>>744647494RA2
>>744637563I want to like TibSun because I think the aesthetic and units are so cool, but I just don't like the gameplay compared to other C&C entries (especially RA2)One of my biggest gripse is needing to concrete the floor of your base or else you get completely fucked up by the drill APCs, it's like they took the monotonous activity that no one liked called "building walls" and decided to make it so you have to now also pave your entire base tile by tile one at a time or have a massive disadvantage whilst fighting nodThere are more things that bug me, but the annoying part is that there's no one big issue I can point to and go "that one thing ruins the game", it's just a lot of little annoyances that all add up to make me look back at it with criticism
>>744637563cnc isnt very good. i like infantry and vehicles are just vastly superior in 90% of the games.
>>744652046>Oh yeah, the problem of Germany being really sick of a certain demographic cramping up their lebensraum hadn't been really solved in RA1,Red Alert still had a world war against Stalin, who was not particularly iffy about killing civilians either (both in real life and in the game - first soviet mission in RA1 is to eliminate a civilian village of dissenters if you remember). So it's safe to say that Europe was just as bad if not worse as it was after WW2; and certain demographic would have emigrated from the war the same way.Additionally soviets are using V2 rocket launchers so they may have relocated german rocket scientists too, or spied on their works (german rocket clubs happened way back in the Weimar era, if I recall right).>so it's probably that following the war said group of people were given a less extreme ultimatum to go back to that place in the desert they keep singing praises about and never return and the Allies will fund the effort.No, certain country happened because the land belonged to the UK and the US told them to give the land to their masters. In both RA1 and our time, UK and all European major powers were exhausted and had little say in the matter. The US took their place as the global superpower, and we know who lobbies the US to do their bidding. So it's safe to say that certain country happened the exact same way in RA1 as it did in real life (except that they did not start hunting down Nazi war criminals around the globe).Nazi Germany wanted to send them to Madagascar by the way, not the middle east.
>>744655112it's a classic for a reason
>>744654862>Jesus christ why are the throwback Mammoths so worthless?Probably because they are 40 years old by that point and still use cannons instead of sonic tanks and railguns.>Victory doesn't feel like executing a superior strategy. It's just losing 3 times until you memorize exactly where your orca bombers need to go.Well yeah, strategy in real life also means knowing where you bombers need to go.That's why you have to SCOUT THE MAP no matter what.
>>744643707Looks neat over all but Tiberium Veins don't have a proper texture on snowy maps, there is a reason they aren't used on official ones.
>>744655112implementing a third faction seems great on paper but they fumbled it so fucking hard
>>744655578this sounds more like a specific trauma with dickass people you played against exploiting your lack of attractiveness than an actual constructed criticism against the actual game as a whole
>>744655658i sometimes wonder what the world would look like today if the nazis won, jews got sent to madagascar and we had no communismus, germany and japan would probably be the only superpowers since uk, france, ussr and china would get squashedare there any rts games like that? we already have red alert for the opposite and while i enjoyed conquering the world for glorious marxism-leninism i sometimes crave the autism and ordnung of the nazis
>>744655112I prefer these factions.
>>744656181Yes, I'm sure Nazi Germany and Japan would have just been best buds with the US if not for those dastardly Euros.
>>744656181I don't know if there are any RTS games but Wolfenstein New Order is about nazis winning while you have amnesia.I recall some old movie about an alternate timeline where the nazis won the western front, but they were still fighting on the soviet front in the.. 60s or 70s? And were begging the US to help them defeat godless communism. I think the plot was the resistance trying to turn the US against them by leaking the papers on the camps.
>>744656559That's Fatherland and both the movie and the novel are pretty interesting read.
>>744641048>>744639662these are basically the same game with wz being 100x better. they're boring tho. TA is way more fun.
>>744637563No, I need more.
Oh good, an RTS thread. Anyone here played this?https://store.steampowered.com/app/1839950/Terminator_Dark_Fate__Defiance/I just finished Terminator: Resistance and I'm in desperate need of more Terminator games.
>>744654974>Kane managed to escape through the Threshold tower so his goals are now at the galactic scale>But has barely anything to work with at this level>Encounters the Foreman in the Ichor hub who has the Overlord breathing down his neck for insubordination>Will probably end up getting sent as the tip of the vanguard in the coming invasion.>If he doesn't get sent to Reaper-17 for experimentation>Kane convinces him to get out of dodge together with what remains of his mining fleet>In exchange Kane will tell him all there is to know about getting it on with AI's
>>744657825why would anyone play that
>>744657697>That's Fatherland and both the movie and the novel are pretty interesting read.I didn't knew the name, only that I caught it on TV decades ago and me and my dad brought it up often. Thanks, I'll watch it.
>>744650591I remember playing this as a kid who knew nothing about Dune and getting jump scared by sandworms eating my units and half my base.
>>744657825I played a bit of it and it was pretty cool. It's more RTT than RTS though, as you deploy selected squads of units and there's no basebuilding. There's a lot of unit management going on, each unit has a limited ammo count, infantry can pick up different weapons and mount empty vehicles if you have a soldier who can drive it, vehicles have part specific damage where damaged wheels would make it slower and suchlike. Long range weapons like missile launchers are actually long range and not a stone throw away. I need to get back to it eventually.
I remember looking forward to Generals 2 before they made it F2P and before it got axed. Why did the AA industry have to die?
>>744649742>Nod reacted by learning to C4 their legsThis was such a retarded argument. Guess what else gets fucked if you slap a few kg of C4 on it? Just about anything.
>>744656181Unfortunately for us Europeans the krauts had no realistic chances of winning the moment they declared war on the soviets while still engaged in a war with the allies. It was a braindead move on their part.
>>744642748>now want a tiberian sun renegade
>>744660694C&C3 almost got its own FPS called simply Tiberium but it got axed.
>>744660857Well yeah, as much as I like Westwood, their last attempt at an FPS game didn't do so well and EA wasn't happy about that.
it's all connected
>>744658906So it's more Man of War than CnC. Got it.
>>744655112I like that the UN has inadvertently been given a common design-language simply through people associating it with Starship Troopers. If only the real thing was as cool.
I think the Global Conquest mode in KW was an interesting concept and they should have expanded on it.
Nah you need Warcraft 3 for custom games.Fuark man 90s and 00s was such a golden age for RTS>CnC>Warcraft 3>Starcraft Brood Wat>Rise of Nations>Stronghold>Age of Empires
mad they killed the tiberium universe
>>744664753The big difference is that I'd sooner trust the UNSC or the GDI than I would the UN to actually keep the peace. Those fuckers barely do anything and still fuck it up.
>>744665837Forever War is probably a more accurate account of what the UN would actually do with funky sci-fi technology.
>>744665450I had fun with the Zerospace opening season for their galactic war mode.It has this starmap of systems which you fight over by doing individual RTS maps for the alliance you're with. Because it's in beta the most fleshed out way is coop missions against AI, but the idea is that you're going to be able to do other matches like 1v1 and survival maps that will all play into the war.There's early/placeholder stuff for building up planets and pirates attacking systems that you have to deal with.40 bucks might be a bit steep right now depending on if coop missions is your thing, but it's worth checking out if you haven't.
>>744637563I like Tiberian sun, but there are many RTS I like much better. It's not even the best C&C.
>you're broke because you spent $1000 buying shoes from the black market. Why do you even need shoes?
>>744638326Should I play CnC 3 and RA3? I remember the general sentiment being they weren't as good as the earlier games?
>>744637563For me it's RA2. It might be my top favorite game of all time.
>>744667221C&C3 and the expansion are great, RA3 is trash, took the sillyness too far and the 3D models look nothing like they did in RA2.
>>744667221I personally like CnC3 more than RA3. I liked its campaigns and general gameplay more even if a lot of the units have special abilities with a whole fucking list of different hotkeys you have to remember for them, meanwhile RA3 standardized the special ability keys since they gave literally every unit a special ability of some sort. Also that and the RA3 campaign has a slot for a co-op partner to play with in nearly every single mission, and if you don't have a partner some missions can get harder because you should never trust the AI to do anything actually helpful for you. Likewise RA3 simplified the economy side of things even further where each refinery gets exactly 1 collector that is on auto-pilot to and from the ore field on a little treadmill by itself. It's almost insulting how simplified it was.Either way, I just like the Tiberian Sun universe over the campiness of Red Alert, but it's hard to beat Tim Curry.https://youtu.be/NOmX6HmGp0U?si=5I7VTQVRBHLGp6WQ
>>744667221I'd say they're worth a go. They're worse than the predecessors but it is a high bar to clear.
>>744643046Do you play RenegadeX? I've tried to get into it multiple times but I always feel like I'm not even playing the game correctly lol
>>744667221CnC3 is perfectly fine. It fiddles with the lore/setting a bit to turn back some of what made Tiberian Sun so cool and the cutscenes often miss that little something but it brings plenty of of its own cool things. Play through each of the campaigns at least once, and pay attention when you get back to the main menu after that.Note that they fucked campaign balance for harvester income because it's mixed with multiplayer so make sure you get a fix or play on a reasonable difficulty.
>>744666846Different anon, I do like the co-op idea that zerospace has, I'm just not shelling out money for early access games right now. So it makes me a bit sad they launched early access because who knows what the player base will look like by 1.0. Also the campaign seemed, alright, but I wasn't sold. I like the iron red themed faction though aesthetically.
>>744667626Wrong link, whoops.https://youtu.be/niZpcdp2v34?si=KZU7vSdNc7SxyaIb
>>744646961is it playable on easy at least?
>>744667945Anything is playable on easy, anon.
>>744647585>>744646749You're a real nigga, anon
>>744667945Just get a disc image and only patch it to 1.02 max. Easy as.
>>744667945I beat it unpatched on hard, outside of some specific missions it wasn't that difficult, but at times AI seemed to just bug out and almost completely stop the offensive.
>>744646749Pretty coolBut how playtested is it?Reminds me of starcraft being balanced around the map pool instead of trying to continuously patch the game and units balance.
>>744668196>at times AI seemed to just bug out and almost completely stop the offensive.This is my biggest gripe, in the black hand mission whenever I got to the temple it was FLOODED with units the AI never sent to fight
>>7446383264 wasn't even a C&C game, it was some korean arena slop that was rebranded for the west
>>744668421Oddly, I must've had the different problem, where the AI would never stop sending units at me in that mission every 30 seconds to a full minute. Had to act fast and rush down (well, as fast as a mammoth tank can go anyway) to destroy their vehicle depots and just let a bunch of machine gun towers and bunkered snipers cover the infantry side of things.
>>744667852Well, the perspective is that SC2 coop is still very popular if you look at the RTS space, but in contrast to that this is actually alive and will have the seasonal galactic war stuff on top. I picked it up at the start and there were some really obvious and obnoxious issues, but they moved fast to eliminate all of the stuff really causing friction. If it had stayed like it was at the start I wouldn't even be recommending it to anyone but I'm quite optimistic with how they went about it. That coop can be done with AI I think will help too. I actually only played with AI, even if it's not the best at brutal.
What killed the RTS genre? It used to be a colossus.
>>744667871I knew what this was before I even opened itI was not disappointed
>>744638574>unga bunga shiny thing good
>>744637563RA2 perfected it, I couldn't stomach the jank in TS.
>>744637563All the games are connected and exist on the same time line. There are no continuity errors.Welcome back Commander
>>744650058>>744650107>>744650426>>744650591This game was a such system hog at the time.
BIG BEAUTIFUL FIRESTORM WALL IT'S GONNA KEEP THE ILLEGAL MUTANTS OUT OF THE COUNTRYAND IT'S KANE THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT BELIEVE ME
>>744670030Redmond man bad
>>744670030I love how useless everything in TS is. It's like the devs really looked at this shit and thought "Yeah this will definitely be viable and not a huge waste of credits and power."Always focus on cheesing with Titanspam or artilleryspam. There's no reason to do anything else.
>>744647585I like your designs anon, is the map posted anywhere? I'm not a huge RTS-head but even I notice how maps in DOW got less interesting and creative over time >>744654768>RTS lives and dies on map designtrue of all games especially anything multiplayer. It doesn't matter how robust your systems design is, if the play space is abysmal
>>744672163heard you talking shit like I wouldn't find out
>>744668675There were several factors, the biggest one probably being EA shitting the bed with CnC several times in a row and then Blizzard pushing out the Starcraft 2 with insane production value and some skill of remaining old guard devs, nobody in business would dare to challenge that. After that, the whole genre kind of faded into obscurity.
>>744670030Anon. Why is the FS wall on the wrong side of the forward outpost? Why is it towards the main base and not towards the Nod base?
>>744668675It was only a colossus compared to other genres at the time, in the 2000s console and casual gaming steadily grew more popular and RTS did not have a place in that ecosystem. Looking at 2006-2007 the relatively middling success of Tib Wars on 360 (a million copies in a month; enormous for an RTS) vs the smash hit popularity of Halo 3, Gears of War and CoD4 made it very obvious to devs where the future was for gaming.
>>744637563>This is just the only RTS you ever need.It is one of my favorites but if you want a complete list of RTS games that you'd need, here.
>>744638078Tenkyuu Chimata lives!!!!Pierce through with shami tail!!!
>>744668675Nothing killed it. Other genres are simply more popular. I'd wager more people play RTS now than ever just because there are waaay more people playing games.
>>744668675Too much work to develop for when other genres were easier to make with bigger returns, but the ones still remaining in the scene made the mistake of chasing the PVP crowd when all the latter cared about was Starcraft1/2. RTS is primarily a single player experience first genre and developers were ignorant of this reality at the time.
>That Vietnam mod for TibSun
>>744665685It lives on in spirit in Girls Frontline
>>744674952Despite everything it still baffled me somewhat how things still went to the level of Concord and Marathon recently when these lessons about audience and appeal have been around for so long now.There's still the continued blight of executives making careless decisions while the corporate system shovels them cash, but if you look at the dev side it was a lot of blind faith there as well, no actual understanding of a reasonable audience. Fascinating really.
>>744677093It's a running joke that western developers just don't understand the concept of "target audience" when Japan figured that out literally decades ago. It's not even just the publishers being the issue, this is true for all western developers regardless of size. The funny thing is I feel like the western industry better understood this concept in the 90s and 00s, but completely lost their IQs and forgot about it during the 10s when suits started to get involved and began running everything like a "proper business". I just can't understand how this is such a difficult concept to understand, it's not even just NA that doesn't get it, western EU also for some reason is retarded about this.
>>744674952>RTS is primarily a single player experience first genreOnly schizos with persecution complexes believe this. Multiplayer has always been the heart and soul of RTS and the only thing that matters about it. PVP's the only reason people care about these games at all.
>>744678341this
>>744674351>No War3What the FUCK nigga?
>>744678482Warcraft 3 sucks
>>744676785nah it's better than your favorite RTS lmao
>>744674952wouldnt be an rts thread without a sim city larper pretending to know shit about the genre
>>744678341The orignal c&c was about building cool bases, get fucked ESL actions per minute tranny
>>744678341>>744678479>Multiplayer has always been the heart and soul of RTS and the only thing that matters about it.Starcraft and AoE2 have skewed your retarded heads towards a belief that has no basis in reality, and before you mention Warcraft 3, that shit wasn't played for the actual official multiplayer, but for the custom maps which was more moba shit than RTS. All three of these games have a STRONG campaign mode.Every single NEW RTS that has tried to come out with a PVP focus has ALWAYS failed without exception, in fact the first one that was successful after more than a decade of drought was They Are Billions that had no fucking PVP mode whatsoever. Anyone thinking PVP is what makes an RTS are delusional coping morons.
>>744668675league of lolegends
>>744678889warcraft 3 is a pretty fun gaem
>>744637563Unfortunate garbage where it mattered most. The skirmish AI was dogshit and you could never play with super weapons against the AI cause they would just spam rush nukes all over you.
>>744679976skill issue
Hey trooper, wanna see EVA's huge pair of plugs?
>tfw I never knew about the Tiberium timeline until recently>only played the OG, RA2 and RA3So, what's the best way to star with Tiberium? Any nifty modern port?
>>744678889It definitely has its flawed but it's pretty great game overall. Definitely worth playing through the campaign at least once.
>>744680272Start with C&C1: Tiberian Dawn remastered, then Tiberian Sun, then preferably you stop here and go check out the cool mods for Tiberian Sun, but if for some reason you find Tiberium Wars appealing then go for it I guess. Anything after that doesn't exist, don't stain your mind with shit that should be left in the abyss.
>>744680530to add to this. If you do play the third tiberium game, get the patch the unfucks the economy for singleplayer. Unlike in the previous games where the economy was fixed for the campaign, no matter the balance changes, the devs forgot to explicitly set the campaign balance so a latter multiplayer patch making the economy worse was applied to the singleplayer campaign making it absolutely awful to play.
>>744647494CnC / RA1 - Good, the remasters are surprisingly faithful considering that EA made themTiberian Sun / RA2 - Arguably the best games in the seriesCnC3 / RA3 / Generals - A downgrade from the previous games but still pretty goodCnC4 - Holds the #2 position on the list of the worst-rated Steam games of all time
>>744637951Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad.
>>744679287>Warcraft 3, that shit wasn't played for the actual official multiplayer, but for the custom mapsYou mean the custom games that are mostly PvP? Yeah I agree, PvP was very important to Warcraft 3. If you couldn't play vs other people custom maps wouldn't have been so popular.
>>744679287persecution complex
>>744637669who are you quoting
>>744668675I can only speak for myself but I stopped playing RTS because few new games were being made and the ones that did lacked a fun campaign, cool characters, amazing music and immersive atmosphere. I ended up playing MMOs and CRPGs instead. There have been attempts at RTS revival over the years but they unironically lack soul.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcY5s5FwZhMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrbN2y5r-vUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUj05zld8T0
>>744680847You mean the custom maps which don't play like an RTS? The custom maps that spawned mobas in the first place and all other genres which aren't RTS? Fucking illiterate retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS1Fx-Tz8pMC&C Renegade, take... 3?
>>744644937lel
>>744647494Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 2, Generals.Any further back is like playing with rocks and pinecones. Everything after Generals is a mockery of a crude imitation.
>>744655112why the star of david?
>>744665837That's because retards push for national sovereignty instead of going all-in to take over and run the goddamn UN like western nations have the power to do.
>>744681383It doesn't matter how the custom games played, you're moving the goalposts and I could not care less where you're putting them.Are you not crying about PvP in RTS games being the lifeblood of the games? Did you not try to use the mainly PvP custom game scene in WC3 to say people don't care about PvP? The answer to both these questions is yes. MOBAs literally wouldn't exist if Warcraft was a campaign only singleplayer game kek.
>>744668675Same reason IQs have dropped sharply.
>>744655578This guy builds his walls one at a time for $200 each
>>744681439We need a Nod FPS campaign where you do Nod things, like supporting a local priestess looking to scheme and plot her way to being Abbess while fighting the GDI oppressors in the name of Kane.
>>744682057I'm not moving any goalposts you illiterate nigger, on the very post you quoted I said that people played custom maps BECAUSE they didn't play like an RTS. What you are saying is that people enjoy RTS PVP because they enjoy custom maps from the game that play like OTHER genre of games. You are basically saying that people like playing League of Legends because it's a PVP RTS with your argument you retard.
>>744680530>>744680709I see thanks. Funny enough I got wind of the Tiberium games thanks to Frank Klepacki Tiberium Sons concerts.
>>744656181That's an entire genre of turn-based strategy games.
>>744682991>What you are saying is that people enjoy RTS PVP because they enjoy custom maps from the game that play like OTHER genre of gamesNo, that's not even close to what I said and if you're to continue being disingenuous I'm just going to ignore you kek.I was pretty explicit in my previous posts but I'll repeat myself one more time. RTS games only stayed alive due to PvP players. RTS games are mainly played due to PvP. WC3 is a PvP focused game. WC3 custom games are PvP focused. WC3 custom games would not exist as they did/do if it was a PvE only game. It doesn't matter if they played moba or hide and seek or autobattlers in the custom games.
>>744643046I am so severely addicted to Renegade, I play it, one of the W3D mods, or Renegade X, for several hours each day. There's no other game that scratches that itch for me>>744667686Just hop into a populated server and give it a try. Just watch other players and copy what they do; as long as you aren't trying to command or giving vehicles to the enemy team nobody's gonna give you shit.
>>744684053>It doesn't matter if they played moba or hide and seek or autobattlers in the custom games.>It doesn't matter if they didn't actually play actual RTS PVP gameplay as long as it was made in an RTS game.WAOW, truly an excellent and compelling argument saar, for multiplayer just have them play something which isn't RTS PVP gameplay in an RTS game. So basically you mean we should leave the RTS gameplay part to single player and multiplayer can instead be whatever the fuck else that isn't RTS gameplay? Glad we agree that people don't actually buy RTS for RTS PVP.
>>744641048>>744657708i bought the trilogy cause I was told it's the closest from warzone 2100 but i am not digging the first game at all (i barely played), nothing was hooking me or showed promise whether it's gameplay (clunky), story (confusing, i couldnt tell if those message were from me or somebody was talking to me) or tbe weird and cheap interface. does it game better or are the sequels much better?
>>744639874Dude... OpenRA guys was talking about TS engine being months away from working, 12 years ago (it was october/november 2014). We are still awaiting. Even the Remaster graphics hasn't been implemented yet, if only in a TD beta they released more than a year ago, and C&C Remastered has been released 6 years ago.
>>744685330My fault for thinking a disingenuous kike would start acting like a real human.
this all reminds me of metal fatigue. Anyone remembers? I wish they make a remake or a new one of that
>>744685556Don't worry, all they have to do is remember that we are in the age of AI and they will start to shit out features like crazy. I'm not even joking, someone will just give in sooner or later, fable level AI just needs to become cheaper.
>>744637563Infantry reportin'I'm on it!Loud and clear...>Nod flame tank burns your entire platoon in a single strike because Westwood couldn't balance for shitUnit lost
>>744685963me watching an immolator completely rape t1 infantry in dawn of war
>>744685963RTS games are better when they're unbalanced
>>744686093They buffed the Sisters, right? How good are they now?
>>744637563https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa4-xmDFecE&list=PLWh6NCsYRKjNFrnWZMWivfMp3ZTj6r7wp&index=1>Never getting more of this because pidors had to chimp out instead of acting like civilized humans
>>744641762Shit balance unfortunately, it was obvious the americans were still very much butthurt about 9/11. Ironically the GLA were still the most fun to play as.
>>744686278I have no idea. I pirated it because I'm not paying money for a demaster AND they unlisted the original game. Very, very happy I didn't pay for it as I think balance patches are usually gay as fuck and the DoWDE patch notes is proof. It's fun but not fun enough to buy so I can play MP.
Bump
>>744685512only the 'moon project' is playable the others are buggy garbage, do not touch those.
lisette hanley (autumn reeser) feet... that is all
>>744637563Only as nostalgiabait. When you scratch the surface a bit you'll notice how fucking wack off everything balance is.>lmao orca bombers
