>>744644591
>arch

That's like using windows xp and asking 'mommy. why does my machine have stds now'

>>744644591
Windows is best for vidya since everything works.

>AUR
98% of arch users don't even use the AUR. The 2% are split between the users that knows what the AUR is and read the PKGBUILD before installing, then there are a few retards (OP would be one of them since he doesn't know what it is) that would install them without realising it is unvetted user content.

>just one more update
>that'll fix it
Software was a mistake

I am amazed niggers didn't exploit it earlier, AUR was always no-man's land

>>744644591
RTFM.

>>744644992
Nobody uses troonux, that's why.

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>Literally unused, unmaintained, unwanted packages get infected (temporarily)
>Brainless OP think it affects people
Those packages are literally THAT old, you can get their ownership if you want. Well or used to be like that but iirc they disabled it now.
>>744644992
AUR is good for actually maintained stuff like gimqv and Brave. The actual problem is that tourists don't know the current situation.

>>744644906
>read the PKGBUILD
No one does that

>>744644591
Only troons install Arch. Working men and people who want no OS related headaches are installing either Fedora or Mint

>>744644591
>AUR
You don't have to use that.

>>744644591
oh no, my orphans

>>744644906
there's apps I want to use that only exist on the AUR
what the fuck else am I supposed to do

>>744645182
>t. corpo shill
Well at least he didn't say Ubuntu. Could've been worse.

>>744645225
Install windows or install/compile manually

>>744645238
>T. Corpo shill
Kinda redundant to defend Arch like this, when Arch is rocking SystemD. I guess if someone wants a TinkerOS like Arch, he should rather install Artix instead

>yay
>npm
>pip
>cargo
yep, it's gaming time

>>744645298
>install/compile manually
how the fuck do you do that?

>>744645332
Fedora is straight run by Redhat while Arch is just Arch with SystemD. Also SystemD hate is stupid, it's actually something that's good. Especially after Grub fuckery.
>Artix
People say that shits itself very often

>>744645332
What's so tinker-heavy about Arch anyway? I understand CachyOS is doing things in my stead, but everything I had to look up to configure myself so far has applied to other distros as well.

>>744645569
Arch is much more barebones than CachyOS.

>>744645498
Systemd starts to ask for your passport soon

>>744645496
Stick to Windows or a Mac. If you can't find that information on your own then there is no confidence you can use Arch properly.

>>744645225
>read the PKGBUILD before installing

>>744645498
>Fedora is straight run by Redhat
And this is why it never had any ridiculous security breaches like Arch has. I know that, and Im fine having with a big zaddy who gets paid to deliver me clean packages. If things get too glowy, I can always jump ship.
>SystemD hate is stupid
No its not if you are a Linux purist. SystemD is antithetical to Linux philosophy because it gave a backdoor and a way for glowies to control the linux eco system
>>744645569
CachyOS is a flavor of Arch. That means its Arch, but its distribution comes with pre installed stuff in it, so that you wont have to lift your finger. Arch starts barebones, and you are free to install whatever you want it in it. To be fair, the new Arch installation wizard and CachyOS did bring lots of retards to Arch ecosystem.
Fun fact, the hackers have tried to attack lots of CachyOS related packages in the first atomic AUR attack, because they assumed CachyOS users are Archtards who dont know their shit, and just install scripts randomly

>>744645635
I'm not burger. Also that's literally just a field for extra information. You can keep it empty.

>>744645831
*Im fine with having

>>744645831
>it never had any ridiculous security breaches like Arch has
What security breaches? It's literally just AUR and just unmaintained packages. You can build stuff yourself if you want, which is the only way on Fedora btw.
>it gave a backdoor and a way for glowies to control the linux eco system
You should take off your tinfoil hat in this heat.

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>>744645569
This is how freshly installed arch looks like

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>>744644591
stop.downloading.random.ass.software.from.random.ass.users...period.

>>744646042
>It's literally just AUR
Fedora's repositories (like RPM) are always clean, and nobody uses COPR because there is no need. On the other hand, I had to go to AUR in Arch to install Mullvad and Deadbeef because they are not in Pacman or flatpak.
People use unmaintained packages from AUR. I remember one of the most used unmaintained AUR package, was a package that allows you to use a VR headset. That got pwned in the 1st AUR attack.
>take off your tinfoil hat
No I wont. SystemD's transparency will be put to the test pretty soon. If nothing happens, then I might reconsider.

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>i use arch btw

>>744645623
>>744645831
>>744646158
Yes, I understand raw Arch is raw, but is it all THAT different under arch-install? After having to sort out a broken Mint install (and failing miserably to do so), I've noticed defaults on fresh installed DE and such aren't nearly as different as I was expecting.

>>744646450
Yes, the arch-install bundles are also much more bare than something like CachyOS or Mint.

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What should I get if I want a system that just works for all my vidya without systemd?

>>744646423
That guy still alive?

>>744646423
This can't be real. Fuck you.

>>744646450
>but is it all THAT different under arch-install?
It kinda isnt since it suggests stuff that you are going to do and install, but you dont get to do your optimization properly. For example, the arch-install kinda sucks at allocating space for the OS on my ssd, so I had to do it manually.

>>744646530
console

>>744646607
But I also need normgroid things on it like taxes and work

for me, it's slackware.

>>744646450
The script archinstall? It only provides meta packages for DEs that are like just placebo packages with shit tons of dependencies. Like KDE meta packages takes everything KDE. Calamares installer is better in a sense as you can pick what you specifically want. I don't even get why Arch didn't just do that instead. However for a base installation archinstall is perfect (and insanely easier than manual) and adding stuff post installation is piss easy, it's what I've done.

>mom cancel my meetings pacman broke again

>>744645225
im hoping developers notice the popularity of the Arch based CachyOS and start building software releases for Arch

>>744647412
timeshift

>>744644591
>Be linux
>Install random shit
>Get malware
>Be wang blows prebuild
>Come with malware
>Install more malware under auto updates lol
Yeah man totally the same

Is Sabayon still persona non grata? For years it was hated because it was arch but without the retardation.

>>744644591
That sounds really scary, unless you know how Linux works.

>>744645569
You have to read a manual instead of following a GUI. Shocker, I know.

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>>744644774
>everything works

>>744646530
>Just works
>Without systemD
Pick one
You should cut your teeth on a regular distro to understand the quirks of not using systemd

>>744646530
Windows.

>>744646686
No it isn't. Nobody that old posts on /v/.

>>744648224
I already have an arch installation which works completely fine as my main driver and I also set up Artix on a work laptop, and aside from some minor nitpick it also works fine
I just wondered if there was a retard proof option without systemd so that I wouldn't have to waste time tardwrangling it

>>744648141
>can't play consoleslop
who cares

>>744644591
Linux was always about security through obscurity. Nobody made malware for it because nobody used it. The moment Microsoft fucks up so bad people try an alternative, the "lol Windows how many viruses you got lmao" faggots aren't so smug anymore. It's like the weak comedy rival character that only avoids getting his ass beat because the hero doesn't notice he exists.

>>744649797
That sounds compelling, unless you know how software works on Linux.

>>744649797
Based retard.
How is linux "security through obscurity" when the majority of servers use it.
The weakest link in the chain is always the user, normalfags will catch malware no matter the OS.

>>744650064
This lmao
If anything Linux has the juiciest targets out there, unattended machines that are responsible for running the world's infrastructure

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why troonix keep getting Ls lately?

>>744645225
unironically compile it yourself from developer's code repository of choice
t. Mint chad

>>744650064
>>744650131
So how are servers getting attacked regularly if Linux is supposedly making them so secure?

>install some turboautist linux distro that Respects Your Freedoms
>get viruses
well that's weird, I thought Linux COULDN'T get viruses. I guess people just used to not bother trying to infect those 3 guys running some kinda Linux.

>>744650343
how do you do that?

>>744650225
Nobody cares about AI code. This is a non-issue.

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>>744650225
>AI is a tool, feel free to use it to your benefit, but you produce slop I'll call you a fucking retard in open mailing list for everyone to see
vs
>saar AI is the future, you have to poop one billion lines of AI code right into kernel

>>744650225
Because 95% of FOSStards are also retarded techbros.

>>744650413
The alternatives are simply worse, not even microshit uses windows for their cloud.

The shrimple fact is that Linux doesn't get popular because people don't want to worry about linux

They just want everything to be ready out of the box without having to deal with anything else

>>744650441
Find source repo, github page for example, and read instructions there. If it's something written in compiled language, usually you have to git clone or download the code and run the build script in something like cmake, and have all dependencies installed.

>>744650413
Because it's open source
It's easier to both attack it and defend it
And it's way easier to defend than attack
Linux security is way ahead of windows evolutionarily speaking

>>744650431
>thought Linux COULDN'T get viruses.
Why did you think Linux wouldn't be able to get viruses? That said if you only stick with native packages you are very unlikely to get one. The AUR is the Linux equivalent of going to some forum and downloading random files.

>>744650585
weird point considering you don't even need to install a single driver on linux
well, one if you're running nvidia

>>744650431
This isn't viruses retard, this is directly installing and running malicious code on your machine
AUR is still to blame, their system is simply too high trust for the modern age

>>744650950
Are you going to pretend like you don't need to mess around with certain things on linux every now and then?

>>744651023
Are you going to pretend that isn't also the case with Windows and MacOS?

>>744651023
mess around with what?
can you give me a single example?
i hope you don't come up with retard bait like "u-uhhh install software" and shit

>>744645225
your aur wrapper will show you the PKGBUILD change diff everytime you update

>>744644591
Arch was always a joke, cachytranny os is the new meme
Just use a normal distro for fuck sake, stik to mint or something if you dont wanna tinker or deal that much with the os

>>744648378
>Shockwave
>Old
I remember bitching about having to install shockwave on everything because microjew (now macrojew) wanted everyone to use their fancy super flash

>>744651439
>confusing slackware with shockwave
lmao child

>>744651408
>stik to mint or something if you dont wanna tinker or deal that much with the os
If you're trying to avoid LE TINKERING then you're just switching to Linux performatively.

>>744650506
companies are lazy as fuck lately what gives

>>744651642
Using troonix outside backend and servers are peak performative computing.

>>744651749
Shitty "no u". You can't pretend you want full control over your system then be a picky whiny nigger about not wanting to get your hands the slightest bit dirty. fuck sake, AI chatbots are the biggest cheat code that linux noobs could ever ask for

>>744651879
>Spoiler
This. I'm legitimately retarded but got a perfect Linux setup by just going "google how do thing?!"

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I've been on arch for 18 years, but I'm starting to get tired of this shit.
I'm considering moving to greener pastures.

>>744650441
it's literally what happens with AUR PKGBUILDs, are you dense? Better use an easier distribution like Ubuntu kek

>>744651879
i used Gemini trying to troubleshoot something on Linux and it fucked up and didn't tell me it fucked up then started hallucinating and telling me to do the exact same shit i had already done that didn't fucking work after going in circles for two fucking hours

>>744652094
AI may have caused the hardware hellscape we live in now, but that's one silver lining of it - it's rendered unhelpful surly Linux forums totally obsolete. It's especially a good resource to have now with the rise of atypical schizo distros like Artix, where doing anything significantly off the beaten path is like pulling goddamn teeth due to the lack of systemd. I was actually on Artix for a few months recently but switched back to EndeavourOS last week, though I'm still keeping my Artix partition ready to go back into, in case systemd age verification faggotry really can't be goosed easily when the time comes

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>bro systemd is the devil you have to use a distro without it
>it's all mobile or no name shit by indians
amazing

>>744651698
Modern politics is rootless and Jewish, so all policy favours moneyed interests which leads to corporate oligarchy, debt and inflation. CEOs are judged on their performance at increasing either profits or share value. The product doesn't have to work, it's purpose is to generate profit. This can be done by either adding value and charging more or by cutting costs. CEOs see ai as the magic bullet to solving their largest cost center (payroll). Remember, the product doesn't have to work, it's just a macguffin.

>>744651879
I kid you not, AI chatbot utterly failed something so simple as to recommend me a decent option to pass files from PC to a phone by wifi. I literally came up with running python3 -m http.server on PC side, until a fren recommended me Warpinator which was already pre-installed on my Mint machine for fucks's sake

>>744652728
It absolutely did NOT. With bf16 mistral small 2409 and q4 deepseek v3, they did NOT catch that I needed to add myself to the render and video groups to use my V620s on a headless debian install. Maybe it's changed, but my mother, with access to my bf16 gemma 4 31b (for vision) and iq4xs glm 5.2 gave up trying to daily drive ubuntu 24.04 after a few days.

>>744644591
This wouldn't have happened if you were using Fedora.

>>744644591
>AUR
you have only yourself to blame

>>744645225
>there's apps I want to use that only exist on the AUR
they only exist as glorified build scripts? no actual source?

>>744655006
i don't know how to build stuff
i could figure it out but i am autistic and OCD and if i don't know the exact steps to do something and how exactly it works my brain shuts down and I can't do anything because of overwhelming anxiety and frantic overthinking until i burn myself out and give up without doing anything

>>744654049
AUR is to blame for their retarded practices, they were just caught off guard by Linux growing pains and the system being too high trust
Force people to fork orphans, introduce a trusted system for developers, don't let anyone download untrusted packages without forcing them to wait 20 seconds reading

>>744655498
>wait 20 seconds
ftfy. yes, do as I say!

>>744655276
then lie down and die, is that the answer you want?

>>744644774
Yours is a very stupid post. The only reason not to run SteamOS for gaming at this point, is if you have Nvidia hardware. But once support is established for it, there's little excuse.

>>744644591
>have windows pc
>go to the website with the virus installer program
>install the program
>run it, get warnings about viruses and how to spot them
>download virus
>install it
>pc gaming is a joke

this is what the windows equivalent is to this hit piece. stupid

>>744655558
How about I meet you halfway
Waiting is default
But you can type in yes do as I say, the catch is that it's only specified in the man pages so retards can't just ignore the warnings and need to know you can do that in the first place

>>744655980
Consoles keep winning baby.

>>744656172
>Have console
>Get enslaved by a corporation you've sworn your fealty to for a bit of convenience

>>744656172
Consoles can't do 95% of the things people want to do, so they are disqualified from this particular topic

>>744655980
>troonix users bragged it never gets a virus
>"NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT"
tranny behaviour lol

>>744656354
>use console for vidya
>use your phone for everything else
That's what 95% of people do. Desktop computers are deprecated technology. You just can't figure it out because you don't have a house or a family.

>>744657242
But they don't
Otherwise steam wouldn't be competing against the entire console market

>>744657242
>nigger steal your phone
>lose your entire life

>>744657242
wrong, /v/ is my family

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>>744644906
tpbp

>>744645132
Haven't there been times where malicious code gets found because some guy notices a 2ms delay or some shit? Those kind of people probably read it.

>>744644591
>He fell the Linux meme
Kek

>>744648141
>Halo H1B

>>744657242
Can't make video games on console, can't create software on a phone

>>744659829
MOOOOOOM CANCEL MY MEETINGS

>>744644591
Works on my machine. Just don't be a retard.

>>744644591
>Arch
Fuckers deserve it after saying they will comply with adding age verification to systems at the admin level. This is what will happen more and more when there is more precious data to steal. This is what happens when people feel they have a reason to fight and destroy people that are obviously evil.
>Captcha is Arch's logo
Heh, its a sign.

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Still true.

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>>744661075

>>744644591
Don't install from the AUR unless you know what you're doing retard. Those are user submitted packages.

>>744656768
>yes! something emboldening my us versus them indoctrinated personality! i knew i would find comfort one day.

>>744650950
Why does Linux bake every single driver into its kernel anyway? Seems extremely bloated and wasteful when most computers will only need a small percentage of them for normal operation.

>>744650441
Aren't you using arch linux? You should know how to install programs the unix way

>>744644591
>LE CONSOLE OVERLORDS WOULD NEVER RELEASE A PRODUCT THAT SELF DESTRUCTS!!!
Splatter your nigger brains everywhere honestly

Why don't they just make a separate repository for malware infested apps?

joke stolen from /g/

>>744662673
nonfree is already a thing in most distros

>>744653579
>an /e/ operating system
u wot

>>744661895
for generic kernels, which most of use, yes. the disk footprint does gets larger. but only what your system actually uses gets loaded so memory usage is pretty low
besides, it's not an absurd disk usage, and if you're really hurting for space you can always compile your own custom kernel

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>Bro just use linux
>Ok
>You have to install the goomoggle and the TSKR, FGHG and RVEA too
>Oh and don't forget to pass everything through 87878 and GWERT
>Go through all that and it still doesn't work
>Ahahaha omg he didnt use the KRUGH?!
Yea I can see why people tell linuxfags to fuck off

>has to make up baby speak to make a "point"
do wintoddlers really?

>>744661075
In the end they were both wrong
People don't want to put up with installing an os through cli but they also don't want to be babysat by stable release sluggishness

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>>744664565
you have zero idea of what you're talking about, parrot
try developing your own opinion based on experience instead of memes

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>>744664565
>I can’t read, I’m brown!
Personal issue, not really the concern of literate whites.

>>744655967
my favorite movement shooter Titanfall 2 doesnt work on Linux, "the only reason" is such a fucking cope

>>744645118
Still can't believe this was written by a woman. She must've been mega-raped as a child.

>>744666702
She must've liked it as well. You don't turn out this fucking based without some pleasure.

>>744644591
lmao Arch doesn't work either way anyway
You can install the most vanilla out of the box minimal version and there's still going to be something that doesn't work and will require you an evening worth of troubleshooting

>>744644591
>AUR
In other news, OP goes to a gay bar; is surprised to contract AIDS.

>>744666829
Anon, one of the ways of dealing with such trauma is convincing yourself you liked it. The fact she constantly rewrote the same events into her works means she was reworking her trauma.

>>744644992
it's been tried many times before and it's only in the news because linux is taking off. the scale of it is what's really new. in any case, don't use orphaned obscure build scripts like a retard and you'll never have a problem.

>>744646450
archinstall has mostly eliminated the need for arch forks but there's still some wonky defaults, at least for the last time i used it.
>no avahi/mdns configured for discovering network printers but it seems to install CUPS now at least
>no userland oom manager (to be fair you won't notice this until you start messing with slop)
and i think there's more

>>744644591
I know that steam os is based on arch, but i heard that the immutable nature of steam os makes it impossible to install aur packages.

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>>744644591
>bleeding edge unvetted packages
>on arch
>meanwhile i'm on mint and update like once a month or two

>>744664565
That's why immutable distros like BAZZite are made for retards like you and me.

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why dont malware exist anymore on windows?
you used to get viruses just by browsing internet in 2010
no you cant get one unless you disable windows defender and press .exe file with malware

>>744670620
it's not impossible, it requires workarounds
not like it matters, you're not going to install them if you don't use a command that specifically pulls from it

>>744672512
did you miss the handful of windows defender zero days just this year?

>>744672512
because the internet has been centralised
you're not going on random websites and malicious sites get raped in the SEO

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>>744667763
You aren't ready for the truth. It would blackpill you about women for life.

>>744672512
because modern virus are not funny haha pikachu popup, the user should never know they have a virus. Either making your pc a botnet, some info stealer or even 3 letter agency backdoor, no matter what it is, modern virus will never show signs they exist

>>744672948
even if you browse random porn sites with popups you cant get malware on windows

>>744673445
>or even 3 letter agency backdoor
Those are already there from the start, this is fact.

>>744660130
>WindowsH1B

>just stay on stable two versions behind
>only install critical security patches after analyzing the source code yourself
>let the nerds fight it out and only upgrade to the next version when you're three versions behind
It's that simple. Being on the bleeding edge is stupid unless you're a hobbyist.

>>744645496
you read the instructions that tell you how to do that, and then you do that and it actually works because it's not Windows

>>744644591
>use an external package repo not maintained by the distribution and containing a ton of user generated packages that can be orphaned and adopted with little oversight
>it may contain malicious software
It's no different than downloading software off the internet.
If it's a community repo, you should be checking the packages before you install them.

>>744645496
>pull source from github
>follow basic instructions on that github page
It's usually that simple.
>git clone github.com/that_shit_you_want.git
>cd that_shit_you_want
>mkdir build
>cd build
>cmake ..
>make -j (total CPU cores)
and maybe, if it's a really fancy repo
>make install

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>>744674803
>cmake ..
cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ..
also you can cmake --build .

>touch loli
>touch: cannot touch 'loli': Permission denied
>sudo touch loli

>>744676986
>I/O error

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>>744644591
Gentoo does not have this issue

AUR is simply too naive and they're paying the price
All they need to do is fix package adoption and establish a trust system

>>744676785
Linuxfags are always a laugh and a half

>>744664565
lmao this fag didnt read the manual on the krugh...

>>744644591
Linux is fine as long as you are not using GNU as coreutils, GNU comes with cp installed.

>>744644591
reminder that the latest wave of linux malware is entirely funded by bill gates
consumer linux used to be safe for decades when it was niche, most malware tried to either target the server side or directly exploit the kernel because that's where the money was, but now that linux pcs are gaining steam gates is paying hyper competent north korean hackers and indians who jeet in deliberately unsafe packages to focus on making it unusable for the little guy while not hurting his server and ai businesses because of course azure runs on linux

>>744655276
that is just you being lazy.
you have learned to hide behind autism and OCD as an excuse for helplessness
it is a mental illness far more sinister than either of the two excuses you gave, because you actively work to hide its true nature.

>>744680908
>korean hackers and indians
I can understand the indians since those not born here are scummy scammers, but where do the koreans go into this

>>744681625
koreans act on impulse just like the izzat farming indian infiltrators

>>744681625
north korea unironically has some of the strongest and most motivated hackers in the world, ready to work for any amount of dollars because the country's currency is convertible solely into toilet paper which then combos into instant execution for the crime of defacing money

>>744645225
Iv started compiling things myself from source. its a bit of a learning curve but its worth it considering the fucking risk of installing things from other people that arent checked or verified by any kind of standards.

Give some examples of some software that is only on the AUR.

>>744644591
>AUR
I have like 3 packages from there and I always check the PKGBUILDS because sometimes the maintainers just write them wrong.

Nothing burger thread made by wintard.

>>744644591
>archaic linux
It was well over before even beginning.

>>744645225
flatpak

>>744644591
>AUR
lol, you were asking for it, just stick, stick with the official packages

>>744644591
>AUR
is that the sound archfags make when they find out they installed malware? KEK

>>744682557
>AURR... gentoochads... i apologize... AUURR...

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>>744680705
Don't worry, they're rewriting cp in rust so it's safe now.

>>744682720
rusty cp... in MY coreutils? what the fuck gabe newell

>>744650506
>FUCK AISLOP AISLOP IS BAD FUCK AI STOP KILLING WINDOWS WITH AI!!!!
>Linux adds in aislop
>actually AI is completely fine because [Mental retardation]

>>744682680
kek

>>744682995
AI linter doesn't produce slop though.

>>744674590
>arch
>working
this is the funniest thread on /v/

>>744644774
Yeah 7 is good.

>>744655967
Games with kernel level anti cheat won’t work either. I don’t care about multi player games, but some people do.

>>744657242
lol, such a zoomer iPad kid post

>>744684269
>kernel level anti cheat
Dont call it this, call it what it actually is: Spyware. The reason that it doesnt work on linux is because the linux kernel will not let such insanely invasive spyware work, and the windows NT kernel will.