If shmups (shoot and ups) are such a high skill genre, why does nobody play them? Shouldn't the Dark Souls crowd fly to it like moths to lite?
>>744662156This video is what speedrunning would be in the good timeline
cuz memoslop
>>744663001to be fair, memorization is a big part of any singleplayer game once you try to get in 1cc territory. If I would want to play through Sekiro or Ninja Gaiden or any other character action game without dying once I'd have to memorize enemy attack patterns as well or whatever other bullshit there is in the game that can instakill my character. It's just that since shmups are mostly an arcade genre and they usually have some kind of scoring system a shitty player is going to understand that they haven't actually beaten the game because they credit fed their way to the end.
because schmups are either extremely hard or just memorizing where the safe spots aremost people who have 1cc'd touhou games woulnd't get past level 3 in Ikaruga where things actively shoot at you
why do people act like memorizing a 15-20 minute game is some big deal?
>>744664148an achievement is "worth more" if you are the only one who has it
>>744662156Because shmups are boring
>>744663830>streaming is a really super difficult technique guyslmao
All modern games can learn from shmups. The longer a game is, the lower its quality. You cannot have a 40 hour long game that is perfect, concessions must be made, and once you see all the downtime and padding there is no going back. There is something grotesque and unnatural about a game that is mostly filler. When games started focusing on "content" and story they became shit.
>>7446621561. souls is popular and shmups are not, therefore beating the former gives you more social credit (in terms of larping as a gamer) than the latter2. im fairly sure that large swaths of the souls crowd will not touch something that isnt an action rpg which lets you fall back on grinding and meta builds to circumvent the base difficulty, they just enjoy larping as hardcore gamers
>>744664991I see you are not a hardcore gamer that can appreciate epics like Skyrim.
hi
>>744664991Which eceleb told you that?
>>744663665>character action gameWith names like that, the genre deserves to be dead
>>744665120Okaeri :3
>>744662156Memorization is *not* a skill, it just trivializes whatever has it. Imagine some schizo homeless man told you "In [game] MEMORIZE WHAT i'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU" and he blurts out a shit ton of inputs and you just type them in. You'd watch your character effortlessly blaze past content without understanding why. Perfect information should not trivialize a game but it completely does in some genres more than others.Take fighting games or PvP for instance, eventually, much sooner rather than later, opponents begin to have perfect knowledge of the game, the game gets much harder and increasingly nontrivial. You have to know what the opponent is like, which you find out because they're an extension of the playerbase of the current ELO. There's shit tons of weird lateral considerations like that in caveman slop like streetfighter to more stuffy games like EVE Online. There's a lot of "maybe" and "if" and everything that is even slightly sub-optimal, just "smells bad" and is disproportionately punished for being smelly.Dark Souls is basically a diet offline MMO. I think it's audience just likes stuff like gearing and PvP and challenge runs. it's a recreational game where you do co-op and maybe theorycraft about the lore. They're not gonna memorize anything unless they're being a roll-slut or parryfagging the entire time, which to my knowledge only sekiro lets you parry all the moves.No one plays shmups because the answer to every game is roughly similar: Have foresight about the RNG maybe save some bombs or lives or power-ups for [that one section], if the reaction is too strict then memorize it. It's fun, but then people who want to do stuff like that end up playing Metal Slug instead.
>shmups are total trash and everyone who plays them is a loser guys>now if you'll excuse me I'm going to spend the next 6 months slogging through persona 4 again for 20 minutes a day because that's all I can stand and fill the rest of my time fantasizing about suicide in 4chan threads
>>744665904Basically my point is that shmups don't offer stuff in gameplay that someone cannot get form any other genre with similar tradeoffs, like boomer shooters, Cod Zombies, Dead by Daylight, etc. it's just [another genre] despite the recent up-trend in coverage.
>>744666164>the recent up-trend in coverageYou mean the schizo spamming general threads and talking to themselves?
>>744666164That's also my complaint about many "puzzle" games where you just solve it and can't play it anymore. They want the solving part to be fun, but the answers are usually the same thing with tweaked numbers. It all blends together, which is why I think the hardcore crowd is gradually becoming more rogue-influenced.
>>744666164>any other genreWhat other genres test spatial awareness in an autoscroller
>>744664148it takes 1000+ hours to 2-ALL mid level Cave game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16yD84DZJto
Notice how when onitroon is here the eceleb shitposting goes way up
>>744666852I have not mentioned a single eceleb. Would you like me to dump that reco doujin where she fucks a beetle and get my posts chain deleted to prove it?
>>744667091>get another falseflagger bannedi'd love that
>>744667091>that reco doujin where she fucks a beetleGo on
>>744667091Don't spoiler it either coward
Are we shmupping? Got to the final boss in Dragon Saber on the pc engine last night, but I choked. Feels bad because it takes 35 minutes to get there, what a long game.
ha
Gooning to Pink Sweets right now
>>744668624Just labbing gunbird 2, not sure how far this is gunna go, but hopefully pretty far.
>>744668624Played a bit of Murasaki earlier today, weird game with a really good OST. No idea why the game doesn't have a way to move at half speed though.
>>744670190i'm gunna bash your head in faggot
>>744662156Because they are too abstract. When you play a soulsborne, you're put in control of a hulky guy who takes up a quarter of the screen. His animations have a sense of weight, the enemies are clearly visible and look threatening, giving you a visceral power fantasy.In shmups, especially the modern danmakus that put much more emphasis on bullet patterns that look like calculus plots in motion, you're pretty much a dot avoiding other dots, because everything is so tiny and moves so snappily there is no convincing illusion of a conflict.
>>744670360Even if you're just pretending, no one is going to want to use these threads if people act like stupid retards in them because they think it's "funny." Contain your autism for a change.
>>744670902Stop larping for a change.
>>744670902stop pretending to be me for a change
Happy Raystorm day, shmiggers! Only 2 of us are going to play Raystorm
>>744670360You won't do shit
>>744671452too busy playing caveslop and some shitty indie games
>>744672181Die troon
>>74467224290% of the people here aren't good enough to play this and I'm not dropping everything to play dadshit on a whim, maybe you should post about it yourself if you care so much bucko
>>744673064YOSHI NO
Why do people confuse bullet hells with shmups all the time?
>>744664148Memorization is a big part but its not the entire picture. I could explain to you how to 1cc Radiant Silvergun in detail but I'm still inconsistent with my clears because the game requires a great deal of focus and execution.
>>744664148Even if you know the route perfectly (you don't), you still need to execute it. Modern games are full of input buffers, magnetic collisions and other bullshit that's meant to trick you you're better at video games than you actually are, so it's understandable you would not take this factor into consideration.
what's the hardest game you cleared https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=77795
How do I get a 1CC in Job Market (Rev 2026)?
>>744674864God mode I guess, I am still a beginner
>>744674864Got a job after college (difficulty 51)
>>744675173just bomb
>>744674864DoDonPachi but it should probably be lower on this list, and I don't see why Pork and Ibara are above Ketsui unless you're playing with zero understanding of the systems which hand you lives. Ibara you could make a good argument for since its bullet visibility is pretty bad but Pork absolutely isn't above Ketsui
I love the idea of shmups and such, especially after binging hours of mork vids, but I still can hardly get myself to play them for more than 5 minutes. I think I'll just be a tertiary that LARPs like I actually play them.
>>744676379you and me lil bro
>>744674864>only two 37 and one 36I guess I'm okay.
>>744674864Why no note for Progear? Did they forget that the USA version has no checkpoints? This is a HUGE difference.
Don't die. I'm practice Melee RN. I might play 5 more minutes of the ZeroRanger demo today! Isn't that exciting?
I prefer playing US and console ports because I didn't grow up in Japanese arcades and some of the ports like the Toaplan ones for Genesis are good, and sometimes the international versions are rebalanced revisions
How do I go about learning a Psikyo game in regards to the first X stages having a randomized order? Do I just save state and practice one specific order of stages as a run? Or do I just keep playing them in shuffled order during full run practice until I get sorta familiar with them all on different stages of rank?
>>744681664Play more RPGs. I heard Diablofag 2-ALL'd Gunbird 2 the other day.
>>744681664Bro just play the game.Save state grinding is a mind virus. Nothing against it inherently, but it shouldn't make you forget how the game is actually designed to be played.
>>744681829Thanks! I should reach out to him.
>>744674864RayStorm, incidentally.
>>744681664It depends on the game, but you eithera) reset the cab so they aren't random, if possibleb) learn the stages at max "rank" because the max rank strategy is applicable to their nerfed formsHaving a specific outline for when the stages appear is irrelevant outside scoring and in the second loop they are the same regardless of when they appear.
>boot up thprac>pick whatever stage i want to practice>select max rankit feels good to be a touhou player
>>744683730>needs to do that>when the average 2hu is easier than the arcade equivalents>AND has a practice mode alreadyDude....
>>744683834so where's your thprac equivalent?
>>744683893Mame savestates? Are you retarded?
>>744683893Save states?>but what if I want more more/less resourcesDip switches/service mode?>b-but I need to practice at a rank that I can't even reach by playing with states?
>>744683916>>744684001Not the same at all. Don't make me laugh.
>>744683916>>744684001so it doesn't exist...
>>744684154You can do what you need with states. If you are practicing something that you can't even possibly reach in normal gameplay, there's no point.
I like time lock for survival practice.
>>744684313Are you aware emulators had cheat codes in decades, right?
Where's the emulator feature for uncapping counterstop, bug fixes, and replay fixes?
>>744684597Arcade games are unplaytested kusoge so that's typically unnecessary
>>744684597Arcadefags don't play the game. They have enough trouble loading the game at all.
>playing arcade shmups
>PLEASE PLEASE PLAY ATTENTION TO TOUHOU, I HAVE NOTHING INTERESTING TO SAY ABOUT THE GAMES BECAUSE THEY ARE SOULLESS GARBAGE I BARELY EVEN PLAY BUT YOU HAVE TO VALIDATE ME BECAUSE IVE BEEN JERKING IT TO FUTA WRIGGLE FOR TWENTY YEARS
>>744662156Shoot *and* Ups? Where does the 'm' come from, journo?
Uh-oh touhoufag melty>needs external tools to fix the game
>>744684967>FUTA WRIGGLEwhere? post it
Anyway, go play R-Type
>>744662156Look, I beat all the three Dark Souls games, as well as Elden Ring and Sekiro. I'm halfway through my Bloodborne playthrough (so far it's the easiest one) and the only reason I haven't beaten Demon's Souls yet is because I keep picking up other games from by backlog instead of just getting on with it.I absolutely suck at shumps. The closest I got to beating one without unlimited continues is Touhou 7, and that's supposed to be the easiest one.
>>744685031who has the highest futanari score? we'll never know...
>>744662156I like bullet hells but not shmups
>>744685387The guy that played the actual scoring modehttps://youtu.be/jLUs1CRdXYc
>>744685559hi big fan of your videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwviRZ1Kjc
>>744685654For me, it's this video.https://youtu.be/e9QBnHvlDiA?list=LL
counterstop or you didn't beat it
>>744684961>arcade shmupsAs opposed to what, RPG shmups, roguelike shmups, or perhaps RTS shmups?
>>744685715Reminds me of this
>>744685654SAY DIE JEW
>>744685990He's a touhou fan, which have been relabeled as "undertale-likes"
>>744685992This guy would probably try to dodge Tengoku stage 5 boss spread unironically.
>>744686103>still struggling with this stupid shit
>>744686236Feel free to record yourself dodging that specifically
>>744685715For me, it's https://youtu.be/3GkwTRq5Skc
>>744686425>watch this>the reason they couldn't get into arcade games is because they were insecure about their masculinity and couldn't handle being humbledAre shitters just eggs?
>>744686091Are you also subtweeting ZeroRanger rn?
prove you're deep:recommend more boomerslop like blade buster or zanac
>>744687281Only poseurs like compile
>>744685654thanks, this reminded me instant brain exists and I still need to return to it
>>744687281Is lunar loonies boomerslop enough for you
>>744687281check this out nigga
>>744687570Woah is this some kind of.... hidden gem
>>744687603
>>744687428>>744687559>>744687570shit...
>>744687281Some peak boomer unc-core would be Star Force. Also worth playing Scramble. People have recommended Juno First in the past but I haven't played it.
>>744687728doesn't pass
>>744686723This is a compelling theory!
>>744687754I have both played and deeply enjoyed starforce and now that you mention it will likely just play that next.
>>744687570>Can't move verticallyDo euroshmup devs really?
Sneed em ups
KINOOOOOOhttps://litter.catbox.moe/kzg2jt6noznvttoz.mp4
>>744690312You 1cc'd?
>>744692002yeah i 1cc'd your mom in bed last night
>>744692102And I beat my pb with yours
I love jerking off to porn of futanari Touhou characters with giant penises and other off-model proportions (namely huge breasts even though they're all, in-fact, flat) fucking each other, listening to Touhou covers of meme songs like We Are Charlie Kirk, posting fumo memes on xitter, and participating in group Touhou ERP sessions with transexuals and their 12 year old friends they are grooming. Should I play the official Touhou games? I played Raiden back in the day but nowadays games don't have to munch quarters from you anymore with simple gameplay and unfair difficulty spikes like that so I don't quite see the point.
>>744692520idk
stream doko?
>>744694001https://www.twitch.tv/gurugameboy
Mushi Futari 1.5 360 version I still can't figure out where I need to be to consistently clear Stage 3. I spent an hour doing retries today and it feels like I hit a wall. I've got the first half down, but after the mid boss things really turn.When I first started playing I spammed a lot of auto shots to clear the screen and keep moving fast. But it seems like laser is so adept at wiping the screen that's what I should be using once it's upgraded?I might post some gameplay if anyone could help my routing. I keep getting fucked by the slugs and if I move to kill the slugs then I get wiped by a praying mantis. It's impossible to be in the right spot and Im guessing people are cheesing it by being halfway up the screen or some silly shit I'm not doing.and do NOT post a fucking youtube video as a reply I don't have any desire to learn from watching.
Bruh if you ain't trying to learn this shit ain't my problem
Year 13 of playing shmups. I died in Futari Original stage 3 for the 20000th time.
>>744694005Where's the master ninja gameplay?
you niggers are insufferable give me a minute ill post some gameplay
didn't ask
>>744685080
This thread sucks.
>>744694472kek
>>744694005>GrifterThis word is more flanderized and diluted than incel at this point. It went from someone who has no beliefs and will say anything for money to person me no likey.
>>744694598it is true though
>>744694626>he's gonna pivot to fighting game content or somethingThis vid is the /thread on all fighting game discussion until further notice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-9mZNdJP1k&pp=ygUddGhlIHRyYWdlZHkgb2YgZmlnaHRpbmcgZ2FtZXM%3D
>>744694626Is it? Because I'd disagree with most of his input. Dodonpachi and Esp Ra De are extremely shitty games and some of CAVEs worst output, sinking over 100 hours into Danmaku Unlimited is retarded, and character action games are for morons unironically nostalgic for gen 6. Mark plays tekken, and if you've ever played fighting games and been active in that community, you'd know tekken players are either severely retarded or seaniggers, and Mark accurately reflects how the average tekken player behaves. Everything he does seems very transparently authentic and typical to me.
>>744665354
>>744662156Because they're a high skill genre. What the fuck kind of question is that?
>>744694626He disagrees with Iconoclast on Ninja Gaiden 4. Stop posting rettarded shit.
shut the fuck up niggers
>>744695072Yes ma'am
Yeah, I'm something of a shmup enthusiast. So much so that I dreamed about playing shmups last night and how my one friend I told about Electric Underground also got into shmups and he was already better than me.
omfg i can NOT get past stage 3 i just dont get it
>>744694626>legitemate member of the hardcore gaming communityLmaoHe no streams he no good. Simple as.
>>744695408>He no streams he no good. Simple as.he streamed his ddp 2-all thoughever
Just got a 670 million no miss no bomb Ketsui Ura 2-all. I streamed it to my 2 Discord buddies, you can ask them.
>>744695572I believe you.
What does it take for a shmup to break you?
>>744695481Spliced? Pre recorded?
why don't kids play shmups in their school talent shows?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUM6j0uKenU
>>744695628Does ZeroRanger also suffer from a terminal case of tonal whiplash like the dev's other game Void Stranger? I'm not trans/ finnish enough to fuck with lolsorandom slathered all over my grimdark. Pick a lane and stick with it.
>>744695572based
>>744695824because it requires more than just memorization and you need years of grinding + natural talent for a kid to be "decent" at his age (assuming you are talking about scoring and not just a basic 1cc). also you could potentially fuck up your run at any moment depending on what shmup you are playing
>>744695824They're too long for a talent show and most of the "hard" games are cancelslop, which don't look impressive at all unless you're doing something like Aki no miss no bomb.
>>744696360You could do a 3 minute caravan stage
The question is: can a shoot 'em up be easy but still fun?The version of Espgaluda 2 for Switch/PS4 has a beginner mode that's so easy you can 1CC on your first try without even knowing the game's mechanics. And the game just isn't fun that way. Espgaluda 2 is an example of a shoot 'em up that has nothing to offer if you remove the insane difficulty.On the other hand, we have games like Deathsmiles and the recent Truxton/Tatsujin Extreme, which are easy but still a lot of fun.What's the difference between these examples?I don't know.All I know is that there are examples of easy and fun shoot 'em ups. But many of the classic shoot 'em ups can't survive without high difficulty.
>>744696685level of minimum required engagement
the nonplayers complaining that the genre is just memo should just play RNG-based ones like touhouhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEHqFuy_9jY
>>744695017>He disagreesI don't give two shits about what 'he' thinks about Ninja Gaiden.
>>744696542most people don't have the attention span for a single boss lol
>>744695017>>744697056Just a reminder that his criticism of NJ4 was completely torn apart by a player who is much more rational and logical than he is:https://youtu.be/LJkQgiy9gNA?si=vy5gG_TgDuXr75oJ
>>744696902what do they mean by books
>>744697146SSSSSSSSSSSSSUCK TO TARGET
>>744697164book deez nuts
>>744697164NTA, It's the name given to the section in EoSD Stage 4 where a bunch of green books show up at the top of the screen, it's one of the more notorious parts of that game
>>744662787How so?>can't speed the game up>only time saves are bossesDogshit.
>>744696902That's the same guy that 1cc'd Futari Ultra in 3 weeks with the worst shottype in the game btw.
>>744665572term that's been around for 20 years, fake fan alert
>>744696902nice try, cactus
>mention you like shmups>>i love touhou!! fumo XD>>the only one i played is *rougelite*>>i love ikaruga, its like a heckin puzzle game!rape and kill everyone who ever lived
>i play mushikisama futari>what?
>>744698415Mushikisama Futari. It's only the 2nd hardest rated video game in the world behind Geometry Dash.
>Maxing in runescape >Rolling credits in Minecraft.>Danmaku 1cc clearWith every achievement, I ascend
>>744694069>Mushi Futari 1.5 360 version I still can't figure out where I need to be to consistently clear Stage 3I don't really remember how to play this mode at all but i feel like you can pretty much flail through it with Ab Palm if you understand enemy behavior? So give me like 20 minutes and i'll go record the stage and upload it. As long as you are aggressive and bait the rolly polies I can't imagine it'd be very troublesome.
>>744700251:| fuck off
>>744662156>hits self Retard
>>744700251I already figured it out, thanks!
>>744700251Why would I watch your trash when I specifically said no Youtube videos. Retard.
>>744700390Too late, got it on the first try.https://streamable.com/2c1zvvAnd yeah as I remembered the key is to just bait the rolly. Kinda messed up on the final sequence but it was something I could just dodge through.
>>744700251Thanks I'm curious to see how much auto shot is used. RecoA of course.
>>744700486>he doesnt resort to self-harm after failing in video gamesyou are not a real gamer
>>744700614Tranny alert!
>>744700614wtf is dragonboy really that good? Im using Reco and the screen is never that clear even when I know where to shoot.
>>744700818In 1.5, yeah, he's the one to play imo
>>744700818Yes. And I'm tired of getting called "tranny" when all I'm doing is helping people. These threads wouldn't be so cancer if anyone else would post gameplay on the video game board. Especially you niggers pretending to be me. Burn in hell, all of you.
>>744700986how many cocks in your mouth rn
>>744701038Just mine.
>>744700986>>744700936normal or abnormal
>>744701171ab
>>744701038Zero. And I will not tolerate being called a faggot in these threads any more. I have been nothing but a positive influence in these threads and all of my contributions have only helped others. Yet all I have given in return is lies and defamation. I find that very disrespectful and all of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
>>744701171normal
>>744701324This.
>>744701278I assume this is you playing a character and not being serious.
>>744701413Someone's going on the google doc.
>>744700986>These threads wouldn't be so cancer if anyone else would post gameplay on the video game board.here you go
>>744695851>no repliesThat bad, huh?
>>744701524InterestingI've only ever seen this spell speedkilled
>>744700614You look like that IRL
>>744701451When's that coming out anyway? OnimaiGOD has been teasing it for like half a year now.
>>744701862I've been slowly working on it for months and it's all coming together. I have dirt on every single streamer and shitposter here in the past 6 months. All of you know what you've done, and you WILL be sorry.
I'm completely shit and shumps. I can only complete arcade versions of Cave games thanks to credit feed.I'm glad thprac (touhou practice mode) was created. It lets you play every game with infinite lives. Finally I can 1CC the games and can actually see the good endings, and beat the extra stages. I'm no longer a secondary fan who never beat the games.
>>744701998Do you have an ETA? Like, are you just collecting the next month of my posts or are you taking a year to keep on re-organizing and archive diving?
Can I be in the doc, too?
>>744702183you're already in it, andre
>>744701998>I have dirt on every single streamer and shitposter here in the past 6 months.not really possible as I left the community nearly a decade ago and recently came back
I guess we should stream even more to piss off lilcocky
>>744702729>type out a wall of falseflagging in response to any gameplay being posted>heh guys we should stream that will show him!!>uhhhhhh not me though, you do it
Can we get a preview of the doc? Like a teaser?
>>744701998Mork on the list?
>>744702820I don't understand why you think that's me. As I said, I've only discussed shmups here until now. If everyone were like me and only talked about video games on the video game board, none of this would be happening. Now I know why /v/ is dying when retards like you infest these threads.
Feel like we should have more streams for how often the idea gets brought up, are you guys just shy?
>>744702982>are you guys just shy?yes, the thoughts of people watching me play touhou is embarrassing to me
>>744702982The biggest advocates for gameplay first vidya don't play them. Curious.
>>744703387>.<
>>744703387i dont think it's possible to stream eosd cause the game crashes if you try and alt tab or I would
>>744686425I can't hate trans people more than by listening to 30 seconds of this videoI know everything I need to know about this person from them talking for 30 seconds, their narcissism, retardation, the voice, the whole trans ideology as a whole, and how I need to avoid every trans people I ever see or interact with foreverThank you for making me angry so quickly
>>744704980Sounds like you
>>744705071Okay
>decide to sleep early to avoid lacking sleep from this work week>my body refuses to sleep for more than 5 hours>end up waking up 3 hours early before work, not enough to play or do anything I want to doI hate it
>>744687281BATSUGUN
Go play Mars Matrix.
>>744707321suck my dick
>Try learning a Psikyo game>First loop>First 4 stages are randomized>You play the remaining stages in a standard successionOkay, no big deal. Seems kinda fun and unique>Each stage has a different difficulty depending on the randomized order it gets that creditOkay. That's annoying, but not a deal breaker>You have to manage a dynamic rank system ON TOP of the randomized order of difficulty for each stage>Then if you do that you have to learn entirely new routes for the second loop of the gameAUTISMI'm not learning like 4-5 different permutations of each route depending on the humidity and air pressure that afternoon. What other dev should I look into now that I'm escaping from CAVE and Troonhou shit? Should I take the Taito pill and grind Darius clears?
>saphhireIsnt that a casual bishoujoge, why is he taking it so seriously? Besides, this looks like one of the demostrations events, like a AQDG deal. That guys an idiot.
>>744707434It was already explained to you how to go about this, and the method you were given applies to the old games which are the only ones where these complaints are even a thing. (and those arent the ones you should play, btw, pre-SH2 psikyo is pretty shitty)
>>744707434Toaplan
>>744707434Shut bitch /ourguy/ likes Psikyo.
>m
>>744707458OUT OUT OUT STREAM PIGGY
>>744707502>/ourguy/I don't care about your retarded ecelebs.
>>744707501>trying out Toaplan games>it's literally just lawn mowing left and right over>infinitely more fun than every CAVE, Touhou, Raizing, etc.Why is this?
>>744662156>shoot and upsThis is your reminder: zoomers are fucking retarded.
>>744664991based faggot
>>744707489>and the method you were given applies to the old games>"It only applies to the old games">Check Strikers 1999 (their like 2nd to last title)>It's still and thing and the stage select has like 4 different rank dials you have to set to manage all the different damn permutations you have to memo throughWhy would I want to do this shit and memorize routes on top of routes on top of routes?
>>744707523You just reminded that ESA is going on.
>>744707575Because you are terrible at shmups and haven't made it past the first loop yet, I'd imagine
>>744707630>It's still and thingNo it fucking isn't, just reset the game retard
>>744707696why did you let the 3x3 thread die
>>744707817what 3x3 thread? its not even worth scrolling through the shitty catalogue on this board any more so how would I even know?
>>744707863useless nigger
>>744707696Then tell me what fucking version and permutations of the stages I'm going to have to learn to get the damn Strikers 1999 clear or whatever game I should play that has the shit the least. I don't want to get clipped and lose a run because the rank weatherman decided to throw and entirely new pattern at me at some increasing bullet speed that I've never seen before.
>>744707696when's the google doc coming out
>>744707923He didn't respond when I asked earlier so I'm guessing never.
What's your favorite shoot and up?
>>744662156The mastery loop sucks ass. In souls you just play the game and get better. For shmups you have to abuse continues or save states just to practice the mater stages. If you wanted to make a concession you'd make them slightly easier and longer and add some sort of real continue system. Then add some 2deep4u story and voila. Radiant Silvergun had the right idea but it's too complex to be approachable enough
Ranking is the worst part of any shmup and why I can't take Mark or other shmup creator seriously, they think arcade designs, made to kick out someone out of a cabinet as much as possible is inherently superiorThe credit feeding/ranking system/yakuza enemies were the worst part of the genre and it shouldn't be promoted, arcade games being so good doesn't imply that the bad things about them are good, and this is where they always fail when shilling the genreAnd this is why Battle Garegga is the worst shmup out there
No one cares about your ecelebs
>>744708107Currently DDP, Crimzon Clover and R-Type, I tried 95% of shmups out there but I'm not an expert at the genre so my taste will probably change slightly
>>744707434Crimzon Clover?
>>744707920>Then tell me what fucking version and permutations of the stages I'm going to have to learn to get the damn Strikers 1999 clear or whatever game I should play that has the shit the least.The stage order in psikyo games is always the same on cabinet reset for every game released for the SH2. You would only want to deviate from default stage order for scoring optimization, or edge cases like wanting a different stage order for Sonia in Dragon Blaze since she's kinda not good on the default stage 3. Not relevant to you. And most clears you'll find online will follow the default stage order. Rank is largely irrelevant because all your bombs are frontloaded onto your first life, so the only time you would rank down is if you were intentionally milking power up spawns which isn't relevant to what you're doing. The bullet speed doesn't get faster, it gets slower, and that's a problem because you don't sight dodge in psikyo games. It means the timing for dodging changes, so you're more likely to slam into bullets. But this doesn't really matter for the first loop, especially in strikers, where dying just makes the entire stage really, really easy and free. You're not going to 2-all a psikyo game any time soon if you can't figure this shit out so don't even worry about it, nothing you have ever played will be remotely similar to a psikyo 2nd loop. Just play the damn game. Or don't.
>>744708238blame the falseflagger
Got into the final stage twice tonight. So far, I feel pretty good 1-ALL'ing.
Ive been playing one shmup for a while now. What's a game with a big fat laser?
>>744708762Be specific
>>744708762imperishable night
>>744708460Gradius Gaiden right? The 1-ALL's been on my mind, and I might figure out a route with Vic Viper. I like how the four ships are balanced, you can kind of get away with using any.
>>744694626>2023Kek seething Re4 demaketranny detected
I think I'm just gonna skip the arcade stick LARP and use my keyboard because it's the objectively superior peripheral.
Are the Ray games really as hard as that difficulty list says they are? I can understand Rayforce because I heard it has big dad hitboxes, lots of memo, you don't get any extends, and it's like a 35 minute run. What about Storm and Crisis? They have that early 3D Naomi-ish look I love a lot.
>>744709092Rayforce is the easy (relative) one, Raystorm is pretty hard and all the bullshit in force cranked to 11, Raystorm is kusoge. The "hard" part is that you have a straight shot, and you have to play aggressive due to the lock on mechanic constantly forcing you to get up to the middle of the screen. So you are going to have to get comfortable with both those realities, which players typically aren't.
>>744709313>Raystorm is kusoge*crisis
>>744709459Yeah, Crisis is like Halley's Comet / Halley Wars but shitty.
>>744709459What's kusoge about 'Crisis? It looks like it has a lot of soul, especially with the whole VR/computer/tech theme and how it ties back into the first game at the end. What's preventing it from become a kamige?
>>744709579nta but it's just average at best imo. Best thing about it is that holding against the bottom of the screen makes the lock-on reticle go downward. Big game-changer there. The Halley's Comet-esque "Don't let enemies escape" thing is cool but something about the game feels "off."
>>744708960I've been playing it for 4 days now and I decided to put my time into grinding Gaiden. I'm playing as Lord British since I like ripple laser a lot more than any laser types. I'm also surprised Jade Knight has a peashooter even when you have the circle laser upgrade. They removed that from Salamander III in order to balance it I guess.>>744709092They are hard because you get no extends besides Rayforce; only get 2 score extends. Raystorm is only difficult up until stage 5. Raycrisis is short and you can pick any map once you done all of them.
PAN's guides actually ended up hurting me more than helping me, he seems to rush through games quickly really taking consistency into account and in a certain stage he said to ignore some enemies while focusing only on other enemies and I realized that was the wrong way to do that stageIn the end it is much more efficient to learn those games by yourself without someone telling you stuff that might be wrong or not, it's better to check gameplay footage with no commentary to see what people do differently too but any kind of guide or commentary seems pretty useless
Played Touhou Lensed Night Sky and holy fuck it was the most retarded kusoge I've ever played. The final boss was so unbelievably retarded that it looped back around to being hilarious
>>744709970not really taking consistency into account*
>>744663830how common are safespots in touhou. i know of the cirno eosd easy one of course? also there are many enemies which shoot at you in touhou
GUYS. I just played 5 more minutes of the ZeroRanger demo!Are you proud of me?
>>744709083stick's more funcontroller's more comfyall keyboard has is a hypothetical like 5% advantage
>>744710475Not that many, I remember SA has a lot. Most of them aren't worth the trouble.
>>744701998what? im confused. are you going to make a doc showing the search histories of every anon that called you a fag or something?
>>744709970I tend to watch what he does while looking at average replays to see where to squeeze in some extra room for looser play. His DOJ guide for instance uses A-S, but Shotia's appeal is her bombs, which the route doesn't really account for as it's closer to Exy's route, except it's not Exy that's being played. I think he at least does a good job at explaining how patterns work and the best ways of dodging them, but it's best to make your own routes based on what you consider doable.
>>744664148There's this clip of a tv show I'll never care to know the name of but the clip itself is pretty kino. It shows a highschool girl confronting the cool about what they're doing after highschool and they all say stuff like "I got accepted into Harvard" "Stanford" "I got a 6 figure job right off the bat". The girl has a melt down because she spent the entirety of her highschool life trying to be a model A student and not going to parties or socializing, only to discover the people who did party/socialize are just as smart as she is and succeeding without trying as hard as her. Point is, these people who speedrun and play shmups for billions of hours have their entire worlds revolve around this small niche thing they do instead of trying the bigger picture that is life. To them 15-20 minutes of memorization is a huge deal but to someone who plays in a band or someone who cooks or someone who works in a submarine, this is regular business.tldr they're closet retards who need validation on how stupid they are.
>>744662156Because none of my favourite big boy streamer plays itAlso what's the point of beating a hard game when i can't brag it online
>>744710702The only SA safespots that I use are for Orin, and Okuu if those even count. I honestly don't know how you're supposed to dodge that one Okuu card without the safespot, it's easy to set up and you still have to dodge horizontally so maybe it's intentional. Satori I think has a useful one too but I don't know it.
>>744662156Don't ever compare you babby bulletslop to a literal goty art piece ever again
>>744711087I'm pretty sure every boss has at least one except maybe Koishi. ReimuA has a pretty notorious one for Satori.
>>744711156The only thing I don't really like about SA is the powerbomb system, but it takes a bit more thought than it does in MoF and in execution it's okay. ReimuA sort of encourages a playstyle with less bomb usage than the usual game. Even the safespots I am fine with. SA is definitely among the best games in the series.
>>744711528I think it's very fun for a 1cc but mid for long-term play. Survival is kinda boring since everyone skips the only hard attack in it and Lunatic scoring is retarded.Cool Extra though.
>>744686425>the world's prettiest gamerStopped watchingFucking clown
I like all shmups.
>>744712029>:(
>>744686425Please tell me this is satire.Lengthy, elaborate satire.
>>744712029There's way too many of them. I don't think it's even possible to have played all shmpus
>>744709970Watching replays should be an aid to optimize routing or see how people do things you get stuck at. Don't just try to be somebody else
>>744708151just play novice mode ayy lm ao
>>744696685Sure. Difficulty and fun aren't in a direct proportion, but the games have to sit in a range that's neither too easy or too hard, as both of those things will affect the fun factor negatively.Too easy, and it will feel boring unless you go out of your way to add some arbitrary challenges (which is fine imo, but it shows the vanilla gameplay is trivial)Too hard, and it will feel like you just stay walled forever or won't be able to do anything consistently unless you played the game for a year every day.
bumpo
>>744662156>If shmups (shoot and ups)SHoot'eM-UPS
>>744707434It's time to dive into THATRandom noname devs posting their first game on %platform% with "shmup" tag.
>>744698316i love touhou!! fumo XD
more Blue Revolver Hyperhttps://www.twitch.tv/autumnanon
>>744720254increase your audio
After watching a few replays, the DOJ 1-ALL seems to have a lot more room for silly moves than I thought, but all the grinding I did will certainly help.
>>744721172ok
>>744662156Because they're not high skill, they're just highly autistic. Nobody in their right mind likes making tiny little jerking motions and flicks for hours on end. You're already moving in 2d but that's not casual enough so you only need to pay attention to a single direction and you have multiple lives to play around with, but even that's not casual enough so you also have static enemy patterns that even a downie can mindlessly bruteforce through. There's no skill in this genre, only repetition.
>>744721421>everything that can be practiced is mindless and doesn't take skillEvery competitive sport on the planet in absolute shambles. Perfect information games like chess having a complete mental breakdown.
I could see the genre coming back zoomers like simple skill based games like Geometry Dash and Friday Night Funkin all it takes is one game with the right trendy aesthetic that blows up
>>744721790So the idea I have (but will never do) is to make an easier game around a Hard mode 2hu in difficulty but with extra cheat options (no continues though) and a great harder mode with a fun scoring system and something that can become a meme like scenes from a separate side mode maybe a VN of some sort, but on top of everything it would have mod support like Danmakufu for extra levels, bosses and whatnot, easily available through Steam Workshop. This is what I imagine would be the most popularity-bait shmup. And it should be one loop only with 50 minutes to 1 hour of playtime so it doesn't feel too short for the casual who does take the easy route but the limit for many expert players
>>744662156Well you touched on two things. They aren't any more high skill than any other genre can be and dark souls fans don't actually enjoy being challenged by difficulty outside the little bubble they made for themselves
>>744721790>I could see the genre coming back zoomers like simple skill based gamesnot happening since shmups isn't a simple genre and it requires way more effort (and skill) compared to any other gamesjust take a look at the nonplayers in this thread complaining that it is memo when that is just the starting line for most arcade shmups
>>744662156Is lilshmuppy anon here? I was playing Samurai Aces and trying to replicate the final boss' armored form point-blank from https://youtu.be/NG1RmpRvSOs?si=iQquK3MqNln6f7PZ&t=513 (8:33) but I could only manage it with autofire on in MAME. Did you use autofire too or am I just not good enough at mashing shoot?
>>744722568I think the short hyper dense format actually works better for the modern low attention span audience you just have to package it in a way it attracts people who like shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C44zVd0YwLc
I beat this game Supercharged Robot Vulkaiser on hard difficulty and feel pretty accomplished. I'm not a shmup player typically but this was the hardest game I ever beat. I probably put 60 hours into a 25 minute game What should I play next?
>>744662156boring autoscroller but its the entire game
>>744723928>boringjust admit you got filtered by one of the highest IQ genre
gameplay obesity
>>744708846I want a game where I have a huge, throbbing pewpew lazer beam. Like CC double break but even BIGGER
>>744707434>What other dev should I look into now that I'm escaping from CAVE and Troonhou shitUnfortunately those are the only good ones. All other shmups are shit. When people talk about how great shmups are, they're pretty much only talking about Cave and games for high autismos
>>744721545My mistake. Yeah, keep playing shmups instead of soccer. Will totally get you laid. Can't wait for you to post your 1cc and have 4 middle-aged basedboys tell you how proud they are of you
>>744722838I did use autofire. If you're not going to do that you need to bomb there.
>>744722838I can only do it by cheating, yes. Actually I never played the game at all, I saw a video of someone doing it.
What I wana know is who is the one bumping this overnight
>>744728376I am at the point where I wish I could just Save State on Xeni and get my 1cc over with. It's not even the difficulty it's doing the whole thing in 1 shot and nerves creeping in as you go farther. it's so unforgiving.
>>744728435Well, 1CC is a self-imposed challenge only popularized by zoomers and ecelebs fairly recently. There is no expectation from the devs of doing it in 1 shot.
I want to buy some fun new shoot 'em up.Which one of those should I prioritize?>Crimzon Clover World EXplosion>Eschatos>Game Tengoku CruisinMix Special>Devil Engine>Rolling Gunner>Trouble Witches Origin - Episode1 Daughters of Amalgam ->Cotton Reboot>Batsugun>GunveinAll look pretty cool, though I'd prefer if the game wasn't super rapey, hardest game I 1cc'd was probably Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu.
>>744728593bullshit. It's very doable I'm only playing original. I did it before with no save states and no help.
>>744728662Good for you, zoom zoom. Don't forget to tell your favorite eceleb in the comments for a couple likes.
>>744728376>I can only do it by cheating, yesAutofire isn't cheating. In fact autofire existing is why they replaced this with melee strikes and technical bonuses so we don't get dumb dadshit like this any more.>>744728652Eschatos
>>744728986RELEASETHEGOOGLEDOC
>>744728986>Eschatosany reason for that?
WHEN WILL MORK UPLOAD HIS STAR FOX REVIEW!!?? EVERYONE IS DYING TO KNOW HIS THOUGHTS!!!
Work over... Time for DDP... Finally some fun...>>744720254Damn I missed it, this was earlier than usual!
>>744729075I'm trans. Not sure if that matters.
>>744728953I feel bad for people that don't have an internal drive to do something. This whole show and tell mentality brought about my social media is really turning people into little kids.
>>744728593japanese players were recording their runs on vhs tapes in the 90s
>>744728652Opinion from someone who plays shooters casually:>Crimzon Clover World EXplosionIt's fun. It looks like it was made by just one guy, which is impressive given the final result. But it strikes me more as cave game, just a more modern version. If you love cave games, you might want to play this one.>EschatosThe music is fun, but it's essentially a scoring game. It's one of my favorite games to play when I'm drunk and want to spend about 20 minutes on a fast-paced, energetic game.>Game Tengoku CruisinMix SpecialThis game is like an acid trip. It's cool if you like weird stuff, but the gameplay won't be everyone's taste. One weird thing is that in the extras, there are comments from the characters about old games, and they're extremely rude, openly saying that the game covers or posters were total garbage, lol.>Trouble Witches Origin - Episode1 Daughters of AmalgamAnother game focused on scoring, milking bosses, and so on. You have to really enjoy this aspect to have fun with the game.>Cotton RebootRecommended if you like Cotton. The game itself is kind of easy (both the original and the reboot are included in this version), because you can use the bubble, which is basically a shield that can withstand several shots and will carry you all the way to the end of the game. The original version is more like a traditional shooter, while the reboot is heavily focused on scoring and milking the bosses.>BatsugunIt's a good game from Toaplan, although it's dated in several ways. Aside from Level 4 and its boss, the game is relatively easy. You can clear it in 1cc relatively quickly if you use the auto-fire and the woman's pink ship.Note: I'm not sure if "milking" is the right word for when you keep the boss alive for several minutes while trying out different techniques to earn points
>>744729075Nice technical game with good scoring and a good spread of modes from beginner to super player not dissimilar to mushi so it's something you'll keep going back to. Very clearly split up into waves and a scoring system that encourages you to do them optimally so you'll learn a lot.
what's the equivalent of this in shmups?
>>744729267YWNBJ.
>>744729374>A run so perfect no one can ever beat itThis probablyhttps://youtu.be/0W3kMUM_tKY
How much should I care about input lag? I don't want to turn off vsync
>>744729267Little history lesson for you zoomie: Americans weren't doing this for shmups in the 90s. In fact we barely had shmups in arcades at all.
>>744729463>spliced slop>literally who birdlol good one onitroon
>>744729317>(both the original and the reboot are included in this version)x68k version isn't really the original. Arcade Cotton has some different stages and bosses, while also giving way less extends. It's still ez though.
>>744663001I literally said this few threads back and the schizos got so mad about they went on quoting every post I made about there's not actual skill in these games for like 3 hours lmaoBelieve it or not, if shmups had a bigger audience. In an alternate dimension where shmups get as big as Elden Ring for some odd fucking reason I can assume you that all the normalfags could easily 1cc 90% of these games the same way they no damage run souls games. The things is... autist will discredit anything normalfag do. So if say a normalfag twitch streamer fuck 1cc Mushihime Original Mode on mode stream. And a lot of them do it. All the autist will say "well that's not le real difficulty" rather than congratulating them the same you autist fucks congratulate any scrubfag that will post their 1cc on social media right now in this niche as fuck communitytldr standards have to go up the moment normalfag can do it aka MOVE THE GOALPOST!!
>>744729595>he thinks godhand runs are splicedHoly cope
>>744729789forgot your avatar tranny
>>744674142>Completely ignores hazards having small hitboxes, deathbombs, enemies having large hitboxes.
>>744729772>So if say a normalfag twitch streamer fuck 1cc Mushihime Original ModeName 1 time this happened, it's always slop like r-type
>>744711018I can hear the film reel turning
PAN deconstructed shmups by showing you can beat literally everything in few weeks by savestating every 10 seconds and copying replays frame by frame
>>744663665I have never had the desire to try and no-hit any sort of game beyond action games in the vein of Devil May Cry, specifically the bossfights in them.There isn't a single game where I've had the desire to play a hardcore run except those in which it's a core design principle of the game.
>>744729902What do you think we're doing here son. Shitposting and parroting ecelebs. Get with the program.
Those are my favorite shmups, what else should I play if I like those? Don't recommend me any mainline Touhou, that one was the only one I liked
>>744730040>sonma'am you're like 15
>>744730035Why is it every time there's an embarassing casual they bring up "character action" games? Is this the most casual genre of games?
>>744730134Post dangun feveron 1cc
character action games make the tranny here seethe. i love character action games. everyone should play character action games. should i stream a character action game?
Uh oh cag schizo melty
>>744730275Yes
>>744730275>should i stream a character action game?Yea
>>744730227Sure it's the 6th result on youtube
>>744730385holy shit it's jaymers
>>744730179There is enjoyment to be had that doesn't involve squeezing blood from a stone, anon. Repent your sinful ways and depart from speedtranny autism.
>>744730134>Don't recommend me any mainline Touhou, that one was the only one I likedyour taste is shit
>>744730606Who is that and why should I care about what they have to say? I'm not reading all that
>>744730653This, I only care about MY ecelebs who started playing 2 years ago
>>744730501Tranny is an insult used by casuals because they suck too bad to call anyone a casual. I've noticed this become more prominent as normalfags became more numerous on /v/.
>>744731130ok? stop being a tranny then
>>744731130This, even if we do have some tranny here, people will say "yeah I don't care about speedrunning because it's a t ranny autistic hobby" while they play video games 10 hours a day, the reality is that they don't think they can do it so they downplay the achievements of others
>>744731573This thread has no achievements to speak of except mine, so I'm the only non tranny here :)
>>744731665oh yeah? what is it mr superplayer
>>744731821>>744675446
>>744664148/v/eddit wants to play a single game and use the skills obtained there to sightread everything else, and when a game doesn't let them do that (i.e. it is actually difficult and different from the others) they dismiss it as a "memorizer". /v/eddit also loathes the idea of having to put effort into something even though mastery in any video game genre is tied to rigorous practice, muscle memory, and pattern recognition. They do this for other hobbies too, by attributing practice to talent. Anything but actually sitting down and learning a game/craft.
>>744731903i kneel...
Game Tengoku is a fucking dick lol XD What a twit of a game. Why does it take so much to kill even basic enemies? Everything is so tanky and bullets fly out so fast. Is this another Psikyo like memory hole game?
>>744729374Whatever happened to the input swapping ban?
what a worthless thread
>>744662156Because it's better to play something else high skill like fighters, at least those games you can make money off of. And they aren't so boring.
>>744732292no one cares about what their tranny mods think
>at least those games you can make money off ofbrownest post of the year award
>>744732248>Everything is so tanky and bullets fly out so fast. You need to set the fire rate properly.>Is this another Psikyo like memory hole game?It's somehow worse. Psikyo would never put something like Tengoku s5 in their games.
I don't get why you guys talk so often about what is a worthwhile hobby and what isn't and which game is a real achievement and which game isn't and blablabla, it's like I'm watching women argue with one anotherWhat about just playing what you enjoy and not putting down others for enjoying something else than you? That's the real white man spirit right there
>>744732478>Psikyo would never put something like Tengoku s5 in their games.Bro are you unironically retarded
>>744730473our hero
https://youtu.be/pLgIVamXYSAAnon has been crying about this for 2 weeks now
>>744731130it's sharty posters.
>>744730385m-mork sama????
I'm 6857 hours into Mushihimesama Futari. I've only gotten through stage 3 once, but I think it was just a dream.
>>744732671The boss is the least of your issues, third attack aside
>>744732770>took 45 mins to stitch that togetheryikes lol
Deltarune Undertale
>>744732983are great shmups
>>744732923I'm flattered you think I'd go to such lengths for a shitpost
>>744732770>check mine>some random 1cc with under 100 viewsBuy an ad faggot tranny
you guys are so submissive. getting on your knees for some other player and being groomed to play certain games because others say it's the one with "skill play" is how you end up will these overly obsessed eceleb drama loving dickriding fucks lmao
>>744732806I dont remember posting this?
>>744732671>This boss presents a pretty hefty wall that most will want to bomb through. However, the section right before this is designed to make you use up all your bombs!Sounds like they are right? >shitposter confirms they didn't play the game, only googled a random video, didn't even read the desc
reminder
>>744734208I'm not trans enough to know what this is
>dark souls crowdfromfags don't play anything other than fromslop...
My controller broke over the weekend so I had to put down the shmups for a few days. But I got a new m30 so I can get back on the Phelios grind.Namco System 2 seems like a seriously based board. Phelios, Ordyne (gotta try this one), Dragon Saber, Burning Force, Legend of Valkyrie. These are some heavy hitters. (There's also Assault but I don't know if I really like that one).
Are there any woke shmups, or does the genre natural self-selects those people out?
>>744734881The genre is largely kept alive by those people https://youtu.be/QlbA7Hhbg7wNo one cares if your shmup has a gay nigger in it, because obviously that would not affect good gameplay. /v/ shills bog all the time and he's a literal bluesky user.
Don't forget this exists!https://heahy.com/c/shmvpBut no one seems to be here today...
>>744734807i got my first 2 1ccs with keyboard and arrow keys. I was really surprised to find out so many people were playing with controller. I figured it would be less precise but it actually feels better when you get used to it.I like to bind my shots to lb+rb and bomb to A
>>744735267>/v/ shillsyou shill*
>>744735445Why no use IRC?>But muh images and avatarWhy no use Discord
>>744736152I like the mix of IRC and some modern features myself.
>>744736152The admin doesn't actually play shmups, as you can see in that server. He just wants to keep tabs on people who do.
>>744736152X has a chat feature now. I wonder if that will take off like discord/telegram did.
>>744735445reminder
>>744736519>@shmupg Literally projecting
>>744732671GameTengoku is kusoge and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
Thinking about getting back into CC Arcade mode. I've beaten the game before up to the final secret boss but never could kill him on 1 continue. What's holding me back is all the lock on spamming I remember in that game. There's no way around it is there?
>>744735474keyboard is more precise
>>744736812Not exactly the best design I've seen, but it's fun to play every once in a while. Wouldn't want to grind this too much
>>744735474I used to use keyboard because I had nothing else as a broke college student. But controllers are just what I'm comfortable with and using the shitty laptop keyboard I had at the time started to hurt my fingers lol. For some reason mapping things to the shoulder throws off my movement slightly when trying to coordinate, and the weird one or two-frame offset can sometimes kill me.I got a stick as a present from my sister years ago but even after replacing the parts with actual seimitsu or whatever I never found it to feel good. The rare time I've actually played on a candy cab was a good experience though.
>>744737150Time Attack in that game is surprisingly deep and fun, so I recommend trying it.
>>744737151I've debated getting a leverless and seeing how that works. My main genres are rpg, shmups and fighters so it works great for 2/3
>>744737220Only played it like once or twice, idk what you do exactly. Mostly been doing normal mode practice, if you want to call it like that. Well, I did learn stage 1 to 4, the invaders in 5 and most of stage 6 for now. Maybe it's already enough for 1cc
>>744727592Thanks, good to know what's possible and what's not
>what if we took game genre.....and added LE PARRY!!!!!!!!!!!reddit is a raped website
>>744737574>clicking a certain button to avoid it instead of dodging
>>744662156>Dark Souls>high skill
>>744737497Something to keep in mind is that the hitboxes in this game are.... really bad. So something might work if you just move over a little. Sometimes they're deceptively not where they should be, and sometimes they are overlapping, and you really need to be right on them to make the quick kill work efficiently, so it's worth experimenting a bit.
>>744737675now THAT is a nice lazer. Gameu?
>>744738149Dingdongwhatchy 2
>>744738149DDP DOJ
>>744738149Anon really now
>>744738241oh wow this is THAT game? I thought this was a jrpg
>>744738357Why are you like this
how do we solve the nonplayer poser problem?
>>744738475isn't this a good thing? that means the game isn't easy
>>744738475By clearing DOJ
>>744738539I already did WL in the 2024 threads, with the worst shot type at that.Not clearing it again for at least a few years.
how do we fix this genre?
>>744738953more slowdown.
>>744739037CAVE made DFK for freaks like you. If the game isn't hitting single digit FPS you aren't playing it properly.
>>744665904>>744666164You're delusional or baiting if unironically claim that any shmup can be beaten by just knowing the right inputs
>>744739124is there a link for that with Xenia like the mushi port?
>>744738475what sales of DOJ
>>744697543He's saying he prefers score attack instead of time attack
>>744738953To get normies into these games, devs must make their games easier and wrap it up with a more tasteful genre. Some examples:Undertale: It's a story-rich RPG with great characters and awesome music. The boss battles are bite-sized bullet hells.Vampire Survivors: It inverted the genre by making it brain dead easy and added number go up and gambling mechanics.Enter the Gungeon: Add rougelike mechanics, randomly generated rooms, and a shit ton of guns and bullets to choose from.2D platformers learned this long ago with metroidvanias. Innovate or die.
>>744739418maybe just let it die
>>744739418>Innovate or die.Making a game easier is not innovating. In the very documentary that screenshot is taken from the devs state that trends come and go, and it's okay if shmups aren't popular, because some day they will be again. It's more important to keep the flame going with new challenges and new ways to have fun. Look at undertale, all of the clones of this game are terrible, there isn't going to be undertale-likes 20 years from now.
Why should I care about normies or anyone else being into my genre? I have enough games to play until I die, so what's the point of caring for more people to be into my hobby? Is it narcissism? "Please be interested in what I'm doing please we need more players so they can see my 1ccs!"
>>744739643>Making a game easier is not innovating.That is a necessary modification if you want wider or even mass appeal for these games. Getting raped ad nauseam in stage 3 isn't going to bring in millions in sales in the big 26.
>>744740102>so what's the point of caring for more people to be into my hobby?I just want to groom new cuties into playing touhou...
>>744740102Based post, anon. I think what you need to understand though is that most gamers only care about popularity, they only want to play games to feel like they're "a part of something". See posts like the ones from this moron >>744739418>>744740143This is why you see so many games now become super popular for like 3 weeks, the "next big thing", and then dropped and completely forgotten.
>>744740459Difficulty doesn't correlate with game quality but game popularity retention correlates with quality. You can make easier shmups or games with shmup elements with lasting popularity.
>>744740598>but game popularity retention correlates with quality.You literally proved the point I was making about you in my post...
>>744740143>wider or even mass appeal for these games.Why is that desirable? Are normalfags going to pay $20 for a braindead shmup? No, they'll pay a $1. If it has pretty and expensive artwork.
Just 12cced metal slug am I allowed to post here now?
Nope
>>744741361Welcome babe
>>744741230>Are normalfags going to pay $20 for a braindead shmup?Obviously not. It needs to be combined with an actually novel idea, at least for most people. Vampire Survivors is a dumbed down Robotron and it's a massive hit. Undertale a turn-based RPG with a shmup minigame bolted onto it. These games are extremely easy and present new or seemingly new implementations of shmup gameplay. Anything that wants to succeed will have to innovate in a similar fashion. Simply taking current horizontal and vertical shooters and tuning down the difficulty will satisfy noone.
Thoughts of on birdcage?https://youtu.be/HJRBIuKqr7Q?si=tT89s_a1kAPQc-lD
>>744742057I love it even though I never played it
>>744741915>Vampire Survivors is a dumbed down RobotronIt plays nothing like robotron. It's just the progression tree zoomers are so obsessed with, combined with an idle game housing.>shmup minigameAlmost none of the patterns work like shmups and are closer to warioware.
>>744742098So you're a fan
>>744742057Really repetitive and unfun patterns, the worst final boss I have ever seen.
I am playing some olde shmups right now and why the fuck those nigger devs make enemy bullets almost the same colour as yours. This is retarded, I don't see it coming
>>744663001>left screen showing a 1CC >right screen showing the game and me constantly pausing to make sure I'm at the right position at the right timeSo this should work 100% of the time, right?
>>744742287dishonest gameplay design = difficulty
So if DDP Resurrection on steam is only DFK, are the DDPDOJ and DDP games only on mame?
I need a big budget shmup with ace combat/armored core like story and dialogue
>>744742410they're on switch I think
>>744742115>It plays nothing like robotronEvery topdown "twinstick" shooter where you kite shit to stay alive is a Robotron clone.>Almost none of the patterns work like shmups and are closer to warioware.This is the opposite of true as most defensive patterns are you dodging projectiles of some sort. If you find it too easy to consider a shmup you might have worms in your brain. I have no clue why you'd even draw the comparison to warioware unless you really wanted to discuss it here. Maybe some other time.
>>744739418>if we want to make shmups popular, we just need to turn them into braindead slop instead!then they wouldnt be shmups anywhere you stupid nigger.
shmups are defined by the arcade structure not by dodging bullets
>>744742715Tyrian 2000 isn't a shmup. Noted.
>>744742647Doesn't sound like you're a rationally thinking person worth responding to
>>744742383ah I see I see,
>>744742692[x] Shoot[x] Them (enemy or enemies)[x] Up (many more bullets than usual)Leave this thread since you don't understand the genre
>>744742936You can admit you're out of counterarguments without being a petty bitch about it. Take your HRT or whatever they feed you to keep you sedated.
>>744742795video game genres are all bullshit. I'm sure you already knew that, how many times have you seen a game advertised as "adventure" or "action", fucking useless. this game is evidence that even very specific genres like "shoot-em-ups" are actually a hodgepodge of different types of games. the problem is that genres are defined by some surface level aspect, such as "an autoscroller where you control a character and shoot waves of enemies", not ever considering the core intentions of the game design, which could be "memorizing patterns, shooting and dodging in a 2d plane" or "idk watching all the explosions while wildly flailing around and then you get to buy some wacky new gun with the money you collected"this game has more in common with those old "desktop destroyer" stress relief "games" than with other "shmups
>>744743025So true I guess shmups are popular now because you shoot them up in call of duty. Thank you for your input you worthless subhuman
>>744742852I love that website so much, but I wish there was a way to use that font and those colors in an easier way
>>744743093Well you're the first person I've ever seen that has been able to twist themselves into a bunch to argue that Tyrian isn't a shmup. I do wonder if you keep that opinion outside of this one thread or if are you doing the limbo just to avoid a total humiliation.
>>744742490Ace Combat or Armored core would be the perfect games for you.
>>744662156All the cool shmups are brutally difficult while the beginner friendly ones are boring.Nobody has the time or autism to spend hundreds of hours on a single 30 minutes game
>>744742490Ace Combat has more in common with shmups than "air combat simulation".
>>744730179>Is this the most casual genre of games?Perhaps
>>744743376except all the people that do
>>744743340But they are basically shmup movie gameI need the gamplay of arcade shmups with the presentation of ACs games
@grok how much of this thread is written by you
>>744743158Call of Duty isn't a shmup retard because there's no exaggerated amount of bullets.
>>744743494>gamplay of arcade shmups with the presentation of ACs gamesHow many cutscenes do you want to shove into your 30 minute game exactly? Go play After Burner Climax or Ace Combat and shut you mouf.
What is the dark souls of shmups?
>>744696685A couple of shmup youtubers made a 5-hour Cave tier list some months ago (it's easy to find, pretty much first thing that pops up besides Mork when you look up 'cave shmup tier list') and they kinda shat on Deathsmiles for having boring stages, so clearly it has its limits of appeal to autistic shmupheads
>>744743504I can confirm that 95% of posts made by @lilshmuppy were written by me.
Focus Shotia I'm detecting a fleet of enemy ships coming from the left... fuck, Hibachi will pay for this
>>744743619No cutscenes but give me cool b grade boss dialogues Devil blade did this
>>744743312>its a shmup... because it just IS okayPills
Shmups = Cuphead, Touhous, Partially Megaman, Partially Undertale.Not shmups = Call of Duty, Fortnite, DoomThis is basic biology even normies can tell the difference. This thread is full of autists that think spending 100 hours memorizing patterns is a valuable use of time (that time could have been used to earn a truly useful skill like cooking or gardening btw)
>>744743512So do you think that Gradius or Kyukyoku Tiger aren't shmups because they dont exaggerate the number of bullets on screen? Stupid faggot
>>744743494They very rarely give you anything for the actual RP of the shmup 'situation'. Every game is You piloting the most badass ship to ever exist that can singlehandedly dodge and destroy entire armies with it's laser. It's you against the world and you often find yourself in a final level that is factories that produce factories that produce weapons and missiles and they are all aimed at you. Then you proceed past the final boss and find the TRUE final boss that is the angel of death come to destroy you and still you overcome. The actual RP of the genre is fantastic and just a few voice lines or a CG screen would make a world of difference for the few people that care.
Someone should make a ntr shmup
>>744743846>CupheadNot a shmup>megamanNot a shmup>undertaleyou literally cant shoot in it retard. It's not a shmup eitherJust kill yourself
>>744743868so marvel movies but somehow even lamer and gayernot your best aislop onitroon
>>744743852>Gradius or Kyukyoku TigerI don't know what your niche chinkslop aspergers games are because no one cares about them.
>>744743675ddp 2nd loop 1cc
>>744743982Then get out of the shmup thread, faggot
>>744743974whatever makes you the angriest is the direction this genre needs to go.
Good shmups are about shooting, not dodging. This is why the most praised shmups are typically aggressive. Once you realize how the sausage is made you'll get it, and it's also why it's crucial to have good highly interactive stage design and scoring systems.
>>744743852anon doesn't know the word danmaku lol
>>744743780It's a shmup because it looks and plays like a traditional shmup when you aren't reading level text or accessing the shop. As far as shmup derivatives go the only differences are there to make it a home shmup in contrast to an arcade shmup. That means more levels, shops and upgrade paths, text. Frills that don't change the underlying gameplay at all but would be impossible to fit in a 5-30 minute arcade loop.
>>744743868you're supposed to play these games hundreds of times voice lines would get annoying after like third time (see SDOJ)
I really hate how Undertale and Deltarune have extremely lame and cringe bullet hell design despite TOUHOU being the one of the main inspirations. I hate how it doesn't feel like actually danmaku and that it's too fucking easy to dodge.I get that Toby wants the game to be accessible but I'm fundamentally against games design where "anyone" can experience the story.I think the pacifist routes in UTDR would be way more rewarding if it took real effort to clear and to make leveling up genuinely tempting.I'm also tired of how every fangame uses UTDR style bullet patterns when there could've been an opportunity to have bosses inspired by Toubou, DoDonPachi, Ikaruga, and more. The problem is UTDR fans DON'T PLAY OTHER GAMES and it PISSES ME OFF. Toby Fox's game design philosophy was inspired by HUNDREDS of games while UTDR fangames are inspired by....Undertale and Deltarune only....Basically, you should play NOISZ because it's good as it's own thing and it's not only inspired by Undertale.
>>744744107Hard disagree. >Just a couple more shots!Hard hard HARD disagree.I'm asking for a single illustration to be on screen 2 seconds (press start to skip) that shows your tiny little ship flying into the massive spread of enemies as you start a new level. I want my sexy female handler to say something like, "I can't believe it... He's still alive?!" or something similar once per level as you progress towards harder and harder stages.
>>744744082The point of playing Tyrian is buying the new random bullshit in the shop then flaying your mouse around while you aimlessly drift through the 5000th copypaste slop level with undodgeable bullets you need infinity shields to get through. It has nothing to do with the actual point of shmup gameplay and it never will. That's why all of it's retarded fans praise it for the fact you don't actually have to engage with the shmup part when you play it (there is none)
>>744744163this is somehow more homosexual than every deltatroon post on /v/ which means some retarded eceleb said this
>>744744163Maybe Touhou should've been a good game? They aren't very good shmups for people into them while Undertale/Deltarune are clearly designed to be played by everybody as they have light RPG and shmup elements. Toby's main inspiration was clearly the music which is easily the best part of Touhou and UT/DR.
>>744744315>it's not a shmup if you're not dying constantly to 1cc the 30 minute loopPills.
>>744744451>they aren't very good shmups for people into themno player alert
>>744744539>it's a shmup even though everyone who plays it hate shmups, the actual core of the gameplay experience is a RPG, and you don't have to engage with the shmup gameplay at all Pills
>>744744569Sorry you had to hear it from me, anon.
>>744744107Add them in this stylehttps://youtu.be/OQsuZc9RuWo?si=xJwRRKuQsliD6jZ_You don't have to make long dialogue either just simple one liner that doesn't break the flow of the gameplay
Despite taking surface level inspiration from Touhou, Toby has failed even the most basic fundamentals of good bullet hell game design. Players just don't notice the friction because most encounters are easy and repetitive, the health bar makes the game incredibly forgiving, and boss fights usually pivot away from the bullet hell style into some gimmick or minigame.A lot of people fighting the knight will have their complaints dismissed with "get good" "skill issue". But they are saying the same things I said the first time I fought the little froggies in the ruins. It's not the casuals fault for not noticing the 30fps framerate and terrible hitboxes until the game really put pressure on them.
>>744744820>encounters are easy and repetitive, the health bar makes the game incredibly forgiving>30fps framerate and terrible hitboxesand that's why it doesn't matter. The shmup minigame is there to facilitate gameplay that isn't just clicking menus like Wizardry or a QTE like Mario RPG. In this sense it works very well as it's not trying to be a fully fledged danmaku game.
>>744745112>it's MEANT to be shit
>>744745207>go play Deus Ex>WTF WHY CAN'T I SEE THE BULLETS AND DODGE SHIT GAMEWhat you sound like.
>>744745270Deus Ex is an immersive sim where you have multiple options and there's a requirement for gameplay systems to not be a clean solution.Undertale is just a JRPG but with shitty time wasters in every battle
>>744745709>JRPG but with shitty time wasters in every battleThe game would be much worse if battles were just dialog options and taking hits. Hell something like Mario RPG QTEs to block damage would get boring extremely quickly; there are games that already do gameplay like that better. In this sense the mini-shmup sections are easily the best part of the game aside from the music as it stops it from being a bog standard JPRG aka a shitty time waster.
Wait to make a new thread so the undertale and touhou niggers have time to get bored and move on
>>744744820Toby had to hire the Zeroranger dev to design the bullet patterns in the latest DeltaTroon
>>744729317>One weird thing is that in the extras, there are comments from the characters about old games, and they're extremely rude, openly saying that the game covers or posters were total garbage, lol.Based as fuck
New thread doko...
>>744747161It's like the ultimate secondary game, it's full of stuff to attract poseurs like that
Deltatroon must be a great game if it makes Onitroon seethe and samefag this hard.
I wanted to talk about a shmup that released on steam today but I guess that will have to wait
Deltatroon mustroon be a greatroon gametroon if it makestroon Onitroon seethroon and samefagroon this hardtroom
