he's blue for an amazing reason
Reina thread now
>>744664914Losers' bracket is that way, kid.
>they yassified dr doom in his preorder outfit
Are there fighting games that manage to balance melee and range?
>>744664901>>744664912I was NOT under that impression, but then again I only started playing fighting games competitively like a decade ago so I'll take your word for itStill, having dabbled with lots of PS1/2 era 3D games I have to say most of them just look and play like 2D games, just with an added (and often useless) sidestep button. How come they never really made their own thing?I would wager the 3D environment lands itself well to more realistic, or at least grounded games. I always thought Buriki One or the K1 games were going in the right direction, being basically UFC games but playing like a fighting game>>744665225>esoteric cumbersome controls>a large part of the game design is only having 3 buttonsanon...
>>744665150
>>744664914I don't like that shade of blue
So imma ask a noob question. In dbfz I always start an air combo off from a ground combo by doing light, medium sweep, stand medium jump and start air combo. I was doing this same method in the Tokon beta and it worked but I wanted to know should I be doing that or going for the crouching launcher?I hope I made sense
>>744665150>dr chud MD
KAIZEN BURITZ
Do any of you guys wanna be my friends? I don’t have anyone to play Tokon with
>>744665968there are different ways to get them airborn and some are character specific, but general magic series like you describe is how its done. truly optimal root will require the game to know for sure since they eventually fall out and damage scaling can be issues and there will be avoiding the wall break in many stages, etc. but gneerally hit confirm into 5M, 2M, 2H jump combo part will be how you do it. but know that youll likely be blockstringing into high low mixup on an ex move or stuff like spiderman overhead.
>>744666649iron man looks cracked in that dev vs go1 match. like flight combo stuff. his spiderman was crazy too.
>>744665613You have to remember that games like Guilty Gear, Arcana Hearts, and Melty Blood did exist on ps1 and ps2, but they were sprite based games competing with the likes of Tekken, SoulCal and DoA with 3D graphics, and those 2D games had the stigma of looking old to normies. Street Fighter 4 and MvC 3 did a lot for 2D games.Also people who played fighting games mainly played on console. It's wasn't like now where you can boot up fightcade on a toaster and play older games like Jojo or Vsav or 3S and chat with others who liked your niche game.
>>744666649HulkCHADS!!!
Let me tell you, let me tell you; micro dashes in Blazblue is the most cancerous shit imaginable. Prove me wrong
>>744666876I am not sure how that relates to the points the argument but I don't disagree
Sakurai was right
>>744667481Micro dashes are easier if you think of them as special input like 22x or 236x/qcf. Also sometimes you can do inputs like 2366x to make it easier. I do think that moves like Naoto 6C that ONLY exist to punish you for holding forward is mean however.
>>744667994He's correctTards with "le execution" obsession are the sameThey are the equivalent of the retards screeching that APM is good for RTS games
Why is Korra the only fighter who uses real zuffa boxing instead of corny ass yee-yee kung foo bullshit? Is it cause she's black-coded instead of a ching chong rice picker?
Despite being one of Goku’s strongest forms, blue feels very weak both presentation wise (always jobs) and in games he’s still good, but SSJ Goku or Goku End in BT3 and Sparking Zero? Better, a lot better. That’s because Blue Goku has no aura, he always jobs.
>>744667481some are just brutal. some are lenient. its really annoying that a lot of characters arent good unless you amster them. hazama, etc. and even then hazama not amazing in cf.
>>744666649ghost rider has multiple command grabs, built in high/mid/low mixups from fullscreen range, and the only actual instant overhead in the game which people were already finding all kinds of fucked up active tag setups for, he's not honest
>>744668291what about red goku
>>744665153They're equally obnoxious in MvC3
>>744668291They chose a bad shade of blue, it's ugly, I don't like looking at it
>>744667994>Because you're a dev that makes you right He's wrong and doesn't understand fighting games or the market. Sure he played them at a time but he's never made a fighting game and he made sure Smash was anti fighting game from the very beginning and always told journalist in interviews that he's game isn't a fighting game. BUT ITS THE SMASH DEV IT COUNTS!!!!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH
sorry, but dragon ball does not work as a trad fighting game.
>>744665924SSB looked pretty ugly until DBS Broly started using a better shade of blue
how big are the mai nerfs in reality? is she still top tier? all the vids i've watched from pros think she's much worse now
>>744669309It clearly does.
>>744665153Why don't you try playing one before making up imaginary stereotypes in your head?
>>744670268She kinda just lost her autopilot shit imo, she can't do wakeup SA1 into robbing the entire game and she lost one route into SA1 too which is good, but she's still got the same insane tools
>>744669643It’s still ugly. Blue is just a shitty hair look in anime for me
>>744667481what the hell is a microdash
How hyped are we?
>>744667994Smash has combos though.
>>744670613maybe if you don't care about dragon ball. dragon ball works for rpgs and arena fighters with a huge, unbalanced roster
>>744669280>no argumentof course he wanted to break free from fgs cause he knew they were doomed.nowadays "fighting game" just means street fighter clone with quirks but back then any fist fighting game would be called so.>>744671305try that shit when you're on hyrule with 4 players and items.
Will Phoenix cyclops have flight?
>>744671497>dragon ball works for rpgsYeah not really. The only decent one was fusions and that's for the novelty of a monster tamer where you can fuse your favorite DB characters into a lot of different fusions.
Hes buying Looney tunes for an amazing reason!
>>744664914Top of da mornin I'm the blue gentleman
>>744672150Hey how's it goin?
>>744672057You didn’t like legacy of Goku?
>>744672217Thanks for agreeing to be boiled!
>>744672217he is green for an amazing reason
>>744672468YOU BET SHOOG! Y'all come back now ya heya!
>>744666649>lab monsters onlydanger is just a zoner, really not that hard
>>744667481I think that trophy belongs to delaying buttons. Especially if it's variable delay based on height
>>744672759>just a zoneryou can stop at her zoning but her setplay should have some neat implicationsher medium drill also seems like an incredibly good tag-out move
>she's deadFUCK YOU CAPCOM
APPLE FRIENDS :)
STOOOOOORM COMES ON CAAALMLYYYSTOOOOOOOOOORM COMES ON SUDDENLYYYYY
>>744668368>and even then hazama not amazing in cf.no one is once the top five show up
>>744667994this is like saying there is no strategy in like a hero shooter because you can cc people to death. it's willingly removing the events that happen before it.
>>744673923no, it's like saying there's LESS strategy as a result, which is true.
>>744671305Yet even while being comboed, the victim has the potential to slip out of the air juggle by moving sideways. Far more dynamic than any other fighter becoming a one-player game as soon as a combo starts.
>>744671102>Blue is just a shitty hair look in anime for meAnd that's WRONG
>>744674151Smash 64 has some of the longest combos in the franchise with the least amount of mechanics to escape them.
She's low tier for an amazing reason
>>744665150Doom after Reed Richards buck breaks him
>>744667994smash the intended casual way and smash competitive can easily co-exist but sakurai refuses to admit he was wrong ever about anything.
>>744666649there are no honest characters in this game at all. this chart was made by a retard
>>744666768Iron Man has really cool combos and he is fun to play, but he doesn't actually feel that strong despite looking cool. He's not very good at opening people up, I think your best bet is to try to bait a 2H when flying into someone, but that isn't that strong. He is well rounded and good at any range which is nice, but in terms of strength I think he is, at best, very reliant on having another character with him who will give the opponent a reason to not just down back.
>>744674062The opposite is true, however. Adding that element to a game that would otherwise be purely about whoever shoots first/aims best adds a layer of strategy that goes beyond just human execution/reactions.
>>744674718His assist mix seems better than anybody else's solo mix, and he can fly out of his fucking DP. Assist dependency also doesn't seem like much of a weakness in this game with permanent teammates and all the ways people are already abusing assemble gauge.
>>744674763How does that make the game more complex than who shoots first/aims better? It literally just makes it easier to aim and rewards you more for shooting first.
>>744672057Play Attack of the Saiyans
>>744674986>he can fly out of his fucking DPDPs are only for anti-airing and it's probably still minus as fuck
>>744675350They're also for sniping high attacks (like every character in this game's good buttons), and like I said before there's a hundred ways to cover yourself with assist, and flight allows you even more freedom in that regard.
>>744667994This is why severe damage scaling is a good thing, you can have your autistic 50 hit combo if you want, but its only going to end up dealing slightly more damage than a 10 hit combo.
>>744671102nah, go fuck yourself then die faggot
>>744665150oh yeah that things coming out soon isnt it? has the looks of a kusoge but I'd be down to try it>70 bucks>tag fighteraylmao they thought
>>744675191The same way I can see you first and shoot first and still miss or still die, I can throw my CC first and miss it or not utilize it well (bad timing, poor choice of actions while it's up, etc). Adding that element to the mix simply creates another layer of strategy and gameplay nuance. It's very simple really. Adding CC doesn't just make an FPS better or worse by nature, but it does potentially make it more complex. There are too many other variables to consider to make blanket statements about this.
>>744672310Not really. It was pretty bad for an action rpg even for the gba
>>7446723102 and 3 are good, one is a bad game in every metric
My porridge is just right
>>744666649Penis Parker ranking place is at the top of my cock>>744667994He was right, as usual
>>744675558Your players aren't stupid, nobody does the "big flashy combos" except retarded tourists like Maximilliam, everyone always do the most optimal, the most damage. Everyone when picking a character types on youtube "x character most optimal combos"Iron Man's biggest meterless no assist combo takes almost 48% and is repetitive as hell. Do you think people will do gigantic flashy stuff instead of just doing that?
>>744673373>no level 1 reversalThat was brutal. Now unless she have level 2 you can just harass and force a burnout on her. This is bottom tier shit, only Gief, Dhalsim, and DJ have non-invincible level 1
>>744677474sfg says this isn't a big nerf btw LOL
>>744677474she still has OD DP, it's a Dee-Jay/Elena type deal
>>744675781SNKbros...
*Ribbit Ribbit*
>>744675781People will look at this and still say Tokon will flop and be dead within a month.
>>744667481Fucking this. what make them sucks is the fact that the characters that have to do it have command normals on 6A/B/C and keep getting that fucking command normal instead of the regular normal attack
>>744676785It's better than your favorite fighting game, dumb fag
raped genre
In all seriousness, who in this thread truly plays and is actually good at fighting games?
>>744680972define actually good
>>744680972i play but i am not good
>>744680972>is actually good
>>744680972Me
>>744680972sure as shit isn't me
>>744680972I play a lot
>>744680972Games I am good at in my career: Street Fighter 4Blazblue CP through CFGuiltyGear Rev2Marvel vs Capcom 2Game I literally was a pro at and in the 0.1%er bracket:Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3fyi: many of the players who got known during 09er/SF4/MvC3 and basically became pros in later games were my close friends on Xbox360 who I played with every single day during the 09er days
Can I please get a straight answer: does Tokon have mix beside strike/throw and does it require assists?
RED LOTUS
>>744682287>does Tokon have mix beside strike/throwYes.>does it require assistsDepends on the character but a lot of the trickier mix will probably be locked behind active tag. Wolverine has a standing overhead he can combo off of without an assist for example but it's probably not going to be one of the strong mix up tools in the game.
>>744682287it does have mix and it does require assists. people were initially saying it had no mix but on the last day of the beta people found some really cracked thing you could do where you basically did a move as your point character, active tagged in and switched to them and basically used your point character as the assist for mix
>>744682287There's stuff that can be fuzzied or reacted to, like command grabs or overhead specials, or you can put someone in an extreme amount of blockstun and do a jumping high/empty jump lowI think the grimiest mix is gonna come whenever you hit combo limit, people can't tech, so you can use that to setup just about anything you want, and it doesn't cost any resourcesYou can use assists, but I think Danger and Goblin will have the most fucked up ones since they'll high/low from hoverdash/glider
>>744683210>everybody acting like active tag bullshit is fresh techMvCI died for this...
>>744684913how the FUCK did mvci become the blueprint for all tagslop anyways?I thought you retards didnt like it.suddenly a dogshit mechanic like active tag is everywhere.
>tokon sales extremely highso you niggas was only pretending to dislike tokon
>>744685516you can tokon deez nuts bitch
>>744685291I liked infinite a lot, every criticism it got was rightly deserved, but the game itself was fun and I think it did the low floor, high ceiling design better than any of these other modern games. If people were actually gameplay first that game would get the love it deserves, and say what you want about active tag, but it fits right in those games, and it none of the secondaries have made it feel as good as it did in mvci
>>744685854infinite is a ridiculously good fighter but it definitely deserved the hate it got
>>744685291Wasn't it fighterZ that got everyone into active tag, idk I never played fighterZ
will i enjoy tokon if i love strive but hate dbfz? Problem with that game is that everybody played the fucking same, 10 gokus and vegetas and combos were way too long, also too much of a sausage fest
>>744665150>the mask of a bisexual nigger from atlantakek
>>744686006It's more like strive than dbz so probably, hard to say how long combos will be at this point though
>>744686006probably not unless you're a marvel autist, tokon is even more homogenized than dbfz and it feels most similar to that game to play
>>744686006I doubt it.
>>744684913>>744685291the active tag in tokon is the version in bbtag that is actually good (call assist, tag to your assist) instead of the absolutely retarded mvci version where you can just cancel any move you do on hit/block into a +100 rushing tackle from your other characterit means you need to actually know what you're doing to make gapless pressure instead of mashing, it leads to more interesting applications (like the endless sandwich pressure in bbtag) and it means the game still has assists instead of removing them because it makes neutral too complicated for newcomers (the explicit reason mvci removed assists)
>>744686006>>744686113> tokon is even more homogenized than dbfzonly in the sense that every character has a projectile and an anti air special, but the blazblue style "unique character thing" button alone makes the characters play way more distinct then in dbz, the amount of moves per character is way higher on average, and because autocombos suck in this game and there's no superdash the way you play neutral is way more character specific (besides mashing assists lole)
i hope they won't ever remove the limit to call assist only during the active frames of a move in combos no matter how hard the marvelfags cry about it
>>744686217because of how tags work in this game (like an active tag if the character does nothing instead of an assist first) you can also do active tag into yourelf by tagging, doing a move right after, and you'll still do it as the new character tags in
>>744686478I hope they tone down the amount of assists you can spam once both players have a full team. shit stops being fun at moment imo.
>>744686478I unironically like the limitation on itIt makes things more intentional, you can't yolo assist to get pressure/combos, you have to actively think about what you're doing
>>744685516Game is already dead retard.
>>744686568feel like people are going to realize pretty quick that mashing out all 3 is kind of a stupid idea because the other guy can just thread the needle and then counter call assists
>>744686662>you have to actively think about what you're doingAs opposed to assists in marvel where a bad call means a character is fucking dead?
>>744686309Every character has projectile, lariat, set up and anti-air specials just like gbvs. The anti-air game is also reduced to interacting with 2H/DP because fuck nuance, and without super dash to justify it, too. The unique button is a great addition though, makes me wish bbtag was more of a mix of all their good game mechanics like this is trying to be. Now give me back rapids and one more burst
>>744686745damn, even worse then invincible vs
CotW won
>>744686745>44 24hour peak How? You can't even launch the beta anymore
>>744686745oh no no no no don't look tokonsisters
>2 days until Tokon
>>744687106It won the biggest loser contest
>>744682535PENIS KING
Ozai players should buck break all Sokka players.
Would sol badguy be good friends with captain america?
>>744687961what sokka players?
>>744686006why are you gay
I hope they bring my boy back in Twi Lumina.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJvYmsaYyE
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXVG-swpb74OUR GUY HAS SPOKEN!! COTW IS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>744686889>Every character has projectile, lariat, set up and anti-air specialsbut the way they work is way different, just comparing the 3 characters I was playing seriously in the beta (starlord/blade/magik)>gunshots that cancel into preloaded element gun to keep out vs gunshots that cancel into kunai resource to go in/start combo vs fireball that interacts with preset portals>grenade that hits anti air angles and interacts with element gun vs standing/rushing ground slash with head invuln that gets buffed when you landed kunai vs actual DP that rises into the air>low slide to end combos vs rush slash to start combos with kunai/kunai buff vs mostly stationary multi slash that starts combos for free but needs portal to not be extremely unsafe>command jump vs boomerang vs fire pillarthey felt very distinct in a way every other character having the same beam at different angles, the same rushing tackle with different frame data, and the same spam ki blast at different amounts on the same button didn't. seems weird to try and minimize it
>>744666649Ghost rider has a giant whip move into high low mixup and a command grab he's not honest lol
>>744689261>Ghost rider has a giant whipI read this as ghost ride the whip, goddamnit.
>no one talking about Yasmine in SF6 playing a like a literal Under Night in Birth character So Capcom nerfed Mai just so they could introduce an even better more busted more broken character that doesn't even play like she's from SF6? This is marketing
>>744689908ah yes yasmine can reverse beat
Can they just drop the Carnage character guide already?
I think UNI is due for another charge character.
>>744666649Just call me Gorilla Grodd since my team is Hulk/Champion/Magik/Magneto. At least it would be if I was going to support this at launch, Sony ain't getting my money anytime soon.
>>744666649Hulk has no command grab in this game he's Honest Mids Bruce and if you get hit it's your fault.
>>744686745Anon this is like the fourth time you've made this joke.
>>744690564MY NEUCH SO CLEAN
>>744664914TWO HUNDRED GOKUS
>>744690616I'm just throw my arm forward and if you get hit it's your fault. The fact that he has Armored Hugo Claps that reach over halfscreen is fucked up.
the only wolverine player I ran into had 10f rollback, do we know how armor works in tokon? do you just tank 1 hit so it loses to most projectiles or is it infinite
>>744690682>spoileryeah that's his strongest move imothe unblockable is a meme
>>744690616Why is Hulk dressed like that? Like what is this game taking cues from current ongoings or is it building it's own universe?
>>744690759Isn't that just Hulk in space
>>744690759Hulk got sent to the Savage Lands in this Univere instead of Planet Hulk happening.>>744690801
>>744688981He's right about how COTW just feels like shit at base level and SNK isn't cool anymore
>>744680972Do I play? Yes. Am I good? HA! I don't sink in nearly as much time as I should to truly be a threat to anybody except absolute novices. I do get a lot of joy out of playing them though; fighting games are just fun.
>>744689908Yasmine is considered good as of this moment?
>>744680972I'm either average or the worst player ever. It depends on the day.
>>744680972I'm bad and I've been playing for 20 years
kill all tranime players
Who's the most braindead character I can play in any fighting game?
>>744691167https://x.com/Kayne_Seys/status/2084485604264341869
Kyoshibros...
>>744691725ryu sf6
anyone here play divekick zuko in avatar? i've been learning him the last few days and the toph match seems absolutely miserable, any advice?
>>744691725It's Wyler.
>>744691725Petshop
>>744692062Isn't the point of multiple supports to choose the one better suited for the matchup? At least that's how I do it. I always pick Ran and Shaw against Toph.
>>744691832>she's got all the mix!>Throw, throw, throw, throwI can't tell if people are joking or not these days
>>744667994This is why 1 frame links are a good thing. You had to pick between committing to something low damage or fumbling going for broke. Even execution gawds like Mago fucked up combos at times because it was so strict.
>>744691832literally the best mix in this clip is the strike/throw after the overheadbecause the projectile forces blockstun, you can just delay tech when the projectile hits because you're guarenteed to be in blockstunthe empty command jump > throw only works if they parry, she's literally -2the crossup/same side can only be done after the projectile is blocked, can't be a true blockstring otherwise crossup protection kicks in, and I think you can react to the animation, there also might be specials that beat both options or OSes
>>744675781Strive with the big banga boost
>>744665150>those lipsArcsys senior artists really are genuine cucks.
>>744693013>>744665150it looked better in art form
>>744690842Huh, I can't tell if that's better or worse, the savage lands as far as I know the place doesn't have a society, Hulk would basically be out 24/7 there instead of turning back into Banner
>>744679559AAAAAAA HUDUBUUBUUBBLUB
>>744691725Mai in BBCF.
>>744691725Eddy in Tekken 3
>>744690590>arcsissies are on such ridiculous damage control for tokon they monitor every post about the gameSad
>>744691725Sasquatch in Vampire Savior, easiest character is also top 2.
>>744665150GAWD
>>744668121execution is a valid skill and there are entire genres focused on it like rhythm gamesexecution of combos has nothing to do with combo length or number of interactions per round
>>744665153sfii
>>744666417I don't want people to know I use 4chan
serious question but when anime game defenders tell me>getting corner raped for 30+ sections actually has a lot of decision making for the defenderwhat in the actual fuck are they talking about? I don't play these games
>>744667481664
>>744695681They're just lying don't entertain anime players
>>744695681there's a lot more places to escape then you realized, because you're new + badhope this helps
>Thought I'd stick to Kyoshi>Decide to queue as Ozai again>Run 11 games of an Ozai+Zhao mirrorFuck they're both so fun.
i've been playing a lot of es recently she is so much fun
>>744691832i think fighting games where you only get cool mix (not necessarily good) by spending meter are the most boring games imaginable
>>744695681anime games usually have real defensive mechanics unlike street fighter where you just guess
>>744696159I mean besides burst, what gets you out of infinite hitstun
>>744696281if we use blazblue as an example, you have instant blocking, barrier, IBB, burst or OD, guard cancels. we have ways to play the game on defense and change the opponents frame data/position we are not just holding down back.
>>744696432blazblue also has rolls to change up wake up timings, and ol faithful anime 2A mash
>>744696159>>744696432>>744696559wow, so I guess when your opponent finally lands a hit, what happens, nothing I guess haha. He just lands a jab and you got back to good ol neuch :)
>>7446757812xko is losing to Avatar. End of service when?
>>744696691what is this post even trying to say
>>744695681they're probably referring to all of the unique game-specific defensive mechanics that most scrubs never bother learning
>>744696432you forgot chicken blocking to make things safe via land canceling the blockstun too
>>744675781AWT platinum?
>>7446967272xko is boring as shit, the shilling was incredibly forced, reminded me of all the "it's like open world!!" bullshit during Marvel Infinite. To this day that game's shills still pretend the only reason people didn't like it is because muh graphics. The game was fucking boring. 2xko is fucking boring. It's really that simple.
>>744675781wow no melee?
non sequiter here, but I think the reason why people didn't like Squeenix Avengers is because its a good beat em up. Historically nobody likes those>nah it was the live servcie shit and awful storythen why does Destiny and its clones do well? The game is ironically in its best state now, where you have all the shit unlocked.
>>744688584I thought sol didn't have friends?
>wanna play new alex>prowler stance is cool>can DDT shotos through their hadokens>have to open and play SF6its not fair
>>744671305Barely. Combos in Smash games after Brawl are so heavily curated that they might as well not even exist. Worse, they're not even very expressive, which is what makes platform fighter combos interesting. There's basically three flavors of combo:>bread-and-butter low % combos that optimally do 40-60%>kill confirm "combos", which are almost always 2 hits and aren't very consistent>bullshit that slipped through the cracks, like DK's cargo uthrow uair (again, a 2-hit kill confirm), Peach's float cancel bullshit, Luigi's 0-to-death bullshit, ROB's gyro Z-drop bullshit
Current rumor going around is Arcsys and bandai are working together again on a shonen jump fighting game for 2029. This is not related to arcsys government funded fighting game which is believed to be Blazblue Strive. So expect more slop I guess
>>744664914Uhm, excuse me? His hair is actually cyan, not blue.
>>744697624i hope this is true so we can delay blazblue strive even more
>>744696953AWT's tournament tier. Basically CEO is gold tier or you can say it like tier 2 while tournaments like EVO is obviously tier 1 or platinum. So it's like CEO isn't that big like EVO (according to arcsys?) so having that consistent big entrants and a big entrant boost on that tournament is pretty cool.
>>744674496True. I didn't realize that all my fun memories of playing Melee casually with friends were false ones implanted by big 20XX.
>>744697624>2029>Arcsys has 7+ fighting games>Other fg devs still can't make multiple fighting games anymore because everyone keeps choosing Arcsys
>>744695681fuzzy gaurdfuzzy jumpfuzzy throwfuzzy abaremost anime games have instant block or meter blockthen if there is some parry or super defendor reversalregular mashregular throwbackdashburstyour super win buttoncharacter specific get of jail free cardetc.
>>744697624>2029ai will beat em to it
>>744693094Maybe it's just the 3D "guys" who have to insert aspects of their bulls into everything.
>>744698014maybe you should learn 3D so you can make your ideal bull
>>744697843Bamco and Capcom deciding to kill their other fg IPs like Soul Calibur and Darkstalkers will never not be a dumb idea.
>>744693013>>744698014Your obsession with cuckoldry is disturbing what is wrong with you? Do you look at male Greek statues with lips like that and think of cuckoldry and niggers as well? Jesus Christ.
>>744697843I mean look at Nen Impact. I'd choose Arc Sys too if that's the other option. Fumbled not one but TWO games with a high and low budget.
>>744698435I play DFN sometimes purely because it looks nice. Playing comp against other humans is a joke because>>744697859none of this shit matters cus eventually one of you is getting labbed on.
>>744691832that doesn’t seem particularly too strong. in the end what makes a character good is still solid normals and fireballs.
Mai Natsume is gonna be Strive's 2nd guest fighter
>>744698275Get this fucking MUTIE out of my thread!!!!
manifesting tekken 6 on steam with matchmaking
bloody roar collection on steam with rollback
>>744698574>Mai, Bridget, and Testament in the same gameAdd Amane Nishiki too for the most extreme meltdown.
>>74469862920 players right now55 24-hour peak1773 all time peak 4 months ago
>>744698629Your wish is granted.it's the PSP version like they did with the console release
>>744698829the janky psp version of darkstalkers is unironically my favorite. Wish more fightans had a chaos tower mode
>>744698829>spoilergee thanks for reminding me they actually did thatthey need to nuke japan again
>>744699130Reminder that Ace Combat has given players actually decent ports of their old PS2 classic games for preordering (fuck off it should just be a normal option what the fuck bamco) so it's not like the old technology is fucking lost or something.
>>744691725Majority of Guilty Gear Strive roster.
>>744699130You can't blame all of Japan for bamco's retardation. Arcsys does shit right by people who are fans of their old games despite being smaller than fucking snk
>>744695681guilty gear has 0frame proximity throws so if you are ever less than +1 in any situation you can be thrown.instant block makes pretty much all pressure reset tools neutral to negative and reduces pushback. if your jumpin gets ib'd you are instantly in a throw mixup.on top of this, you have pushblock, an alpha counter, a fully invincible burst, a parry and possibly several reversal options.
>>744699443It genuinely takes more brainpower to play about 2 thirds of strive's cast than to play Mai in either BB or sf6
>>744699032psp ports were very souful
What's the deal with Kyoshi's counter? It fires off even if she doesn't counter anything and she can combo off of it, so what's the point of countering? Or am I stupid and it's just an armored move?
>>744697843SNK could have had 2+ flourishing FG franchises if they weren't remedial, DOGSHIT devs who keeps saddling each franchise they have with mediocre entries no-one wants to play.
>>744699760Do you mean 6C or the C followup to her 236X?
>>744698275You have a better explanation for why Arcsys made him African?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijKN3P58a8this character is in the same game as boring as shit hulk
>>744700063It sucks Hulk's so boring in Tokon because I loved The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction as a kid.
p-p-p-p-p-p-p-post mains!
>>744700202
>>744700202no one who has this many "mains" actually plays any fighting games
>>744700198Hulk been boring since damn like 15 years anon. Marvel for some reason defaulted to sissy Professor Hulk shit and made him le angry smart chungus doing yoga.
>>744700408do you have the mvc3 clip of the guy pausing mid match
i've been having fun playing Joe in cotw. i like the somewhat slow pace of neutral, but i think the damage is too high. You can do combos that do like 400 round start on a game where characters have 1000 health, and they're very easy so even scrubs like me or the people i play against can do them consistently
>>744700427better than some ranked boar who just picks top tiers to land W's. Winning is a scam
>>744700493Kusoru dunking on America? Yeah
>>744699272idc about flight sims bruh
>>744698528>none of this shit matters cus eventually one of you is getting labbed onyou might genuinely be fucking retarded
>>744699272>Old games stuck as pre order bonusDon't care about AC8 but fuck me I don't wanna pay $90 just to play ACZero. Really hope ACZero doesn't have denuvo and gets cracked day one but I think they're also gonna put it on a 20 year old fucking game with no multiplayer
>>744701079>spoilerI got bad news, anon...it's PS5 preorder exclusive, I'm pretty sure. Like how the Xbox version for AC7 was the only way to get AC6.
>>744701253Its also on Xbox anon. I know because I pre-ordered. Its not PS5 exclusive bonus but I dont know if its on PC too.
>>744701079Reminder it's not even a seperate game, it's a fucking DLC lmao. Alright back to fighting games.
>>744701414Oh, then that's good. I thought the retarded platform exclusive shit was retarded as fuck. Now if only those retards would figure out that letting people actually purchase the games outside of preordering then we could get somewhere.
>>744697843That's because ArcSys is talented. Their games are so beautiful you can tell it's an ArcSys game just by looking at it, even if artstyles are different.
>>744700584>fchimp unironically trying to get the match counted as a loss for agejoe because he paused in the middle of a super that's about to kill him
>>744664914What fighting games are worth playing in the big ‘26?
>>744699835My explanation is that he doesn't look African you nigger obsessed dumbass. Half the damn Greco-Roman statues have big and full lips like that, the damn handsome Squidward drawing has lips like that because it's based on Greco-Roman roman statue faces. what went wrong with you to see full lips and immediately think of blacks?
>>744701714Whatever you enjoy playing. More games have playable online with workable playerbases than ever.
>>744700408It's funny because MVC3 was a shitty casual MVC2 and now it's hailed as the peak of the genre when it was all loops and vergil.MVC2, MSH, MVC are way better, even children of the atom is better than UMVC3/3Congrats to Tokon for taking the dogshit marvel game crown, going to get even shittier.
>>744700427Was SF6 your first fighting game?
>>744664914Da ba dee da ba diDa ba dee da ba diDa ba dee da ba di
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijKN3P58a8
>>744702136>>744700063My Panties Are Soaked!
>>744701929no one even mentioned sf6 until you did, sperg
>>744702136grim , pure dogshit
>>744702136awesome, pure badassery
>>744702136this is literally the coolest character in the game. holy fuck he looks fun
>>744702391You don’t even play fighting games
>>744702274
>>744702621Good thing Tokon is literally made for retards that don't play fighting games. Hey are you guys jeets? bots?
>>744702621playing a random game for 30 minutes and then saying you have a "main" is not fighting games
is Tokon even a tag fighter? I was watching a stream for a little while and the guy was starting and ending sets playing only as Spider Man
>>744702754still more than most of the posters here
>>744700427stfu bitch post your main
>>744702801It is once you learn it, if you don't tag you're extremely weaker compared to someone who is
>>744702801It's a tag game with a shared life bar so you never NEED to tag. They made a big point about it being possible to play like you're 1 character with 3 assists instead of a team of 4.
Why won't Arc System make another One Piece game?
>>744702801People don't know how to play yet. You need to be constantly abusing active tag.
>>744702885one piece is close to the ending a.k.a. close to flopping since no one will be satisfied with it so it's pointless
>>744702885Because no one asked them or is willing to pay them to idiot.
>>744702754You don’t play fighting games
>>744701793I don't think that's a better explanation but to each his own. Have fun fighting some mentally ill 3D artist's cosplaying bull instead of the actual Marvel Doctor Doom.
>>744702136is loki's le japanese anime design trope in this game just that he's handsome? that's it?
>>744703294>but to each his own>here's my homoerotic fantasy though
>>744703465he's chuunibiyo, pleb
>>744665131Did you know in GGStrive every single character has to ask Goku what to do every time you press a button.The entire game is built around Goku from fighterz
>>744703602you dont know what chuuni is
>>744703659Based Goku. All Strive players are all Goku mains.
>>744703294Please seek help so we don't have to see your unwanted and unprompted fag fantasies regarding nigs. Maybe look up white women and men with full lips so your mind doesn't default to blacks when you see them.>>744703465It's that he's a "pretty boy" like ky and venom while still actually being cool unlike any other version of him introduced since the MCU movies rolled out.
>>744695681this pressure sequence isnt real
>>744695681Just throw out a raw super during their recovery frames.
>>744668121Combo inflation happened partly because of lower execution retard. You will never get this genre. You are not a secret 200 IQ mastermind that doesn't win finals only because of that damn pesky execution.
>>744695681it means hold up back in the corner
>>744704223I literally won EVO though, but considering your retarded reply, even if I doxxed myself, you would say it doesn't count because my game was made past 2012 or whenever you were slightly good at fighting games before becoming a retarded tranny boomer.
>>744667994Yeah, but nobody making fighting games can come up something better.
>>744666649>GoblinThrow bomb and jump on glider for easy overheads. If they start 2Hing you throw in some 8H on the glider to whiff punish them.
>>744667994i mean its not like smash has strategy especially when the intended playstyle is items and stage hazards
>>744704332>address the point?>nah I'll make bold claims that I will never proveYou are retarded. You conflated average combo length of a game with its execution requirement. Killer Instinct has higher execution requirement than Super Turbo according to you.
>>744679869Tokon is the beginner friendly Tag game that 2XKO tried to sell itself as.Obviously there is a lot of mix by virtue of being a tag fighter but it's not Marlinpie creating characters no one besides himself and other Mahvelheads want to play against.
I agree with what other anon's said and that 2XKO (awful name) is just a weird interpretation of LoL as a fighter. I mean LoL is a weird brand in that its the fortnite of mobas, with literal stolen characters for over half the cast with wildly different abilities tones and stories. Like conceptually it makes sense they only got the humanoid "dude with weapon" characters to make it easier for themselves, but its just so... anime-fied? LoL doesn't play like an anime and I don't think the show really presents itself as one either. Being a tag game sorta makes sense since LoL is team based but I dunno. Its like too slow and too wacky at the same time.
>>744705094They developed it for themselves and that's itThey had no one in mind
>>744702136loki is +r testament with feints?
>>744690616Ah yes, the "I'm so damn good at fighting games" character.
https://x.com/YvngXemnas/status/2084804202920919514 lmfao deadpool is way too ensouled for this game
>>744705449>the mishima volcanokek
Tokon looks very much like Granblue Vs but for an IP I know/care about, aka kinda restrictive and casual-minded but fun to play in short bursts and very pretty. IIRC they have the same director so it tracks. I kinda hated GBVS but I expected more of it but Tokon has set its bar more clearly.>>744705449They really didn't hold back at all when they did the "found a guidebook to the FGC" gimmick huh. I think the pelvic thrust launch might be more of a Voldo thing than a Darun Mister thing but the random cuts definitely feels like an intentional Skullomania reference.
>>744705167Based Mahvel players swindling Riot for years just to make a game they'd enjoy playing instead of something that actually appeals to League players.
>>744704948As I said, never EVER hire western fighting game pros to make your fighting game. Outside of a couple, its almost always a game that they'll enjoy ALONE. Riot was scammed, they wanted a Rising Thunder / Grubble VS and got this
what the fuck is yasmine's themehow are SF6 players even real
>>744706185Was there other western fighting game pros making Avatar aside of Mike Z though?
>>744706240sf6 is the most played fighting game its the most populartherefore ITS THE BEST
>>744688981oh he's just angry that sylvie isn't on the roster that's all amirite snkfags
>>744706434Arent they the Thems fighting herd guys? The only fighting games I know that western pros worked on are Skullgirls, Power Rangers BftG, Avatar, 2XKO, and I believe Killer Instinct. Theres also MVCI where Capcom hired Combofiend and you know what happened there. I hate that barring Avatar and KI, all of them are tag fighters, like you can clearly see they just want to make tag fighters
>>744706857Sony Smash, too
>>744706240https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXV3J6pQ8AE
>>744706915I don't fight enough marissas to even notice what her theme is
>>744706240we use the jukeboxhttps://youtu.be/of06gmX4L1c
>>744706915>willingly shopping for ryobikek what a bitch
>>744706240The only sf6 theme that's stood out to me has been Jamie's desu.
>>744707012So modern SF has some good tracks
>>744707015are you a dewalt man or a milwaukee soldier
>>744707183i think dewalt is enough for a random civ, but i'd probs go mil if i was in the trade
>>744706240Seriously, does anyone know what happened with this game's OST? Is it actually AI sloppa or something? Shit's remarkably bad
>>744666649>Loki>dishonestAs he should be.
>>744707264street fighter doesn't need to spend money on music, its already the best fighting game
>>744707183Milwaukee tends to last better in the long run(also that's all contractors buy and as a union tradesman I refuse to bring my own power tools).
for me it'shttps://youtu.be/vDFYmqoA6VA?si=fFCOsTv3TlmiRpVr&t=206
>>744706650
>>744706857maybe a couple but it doesn't seem like it, the TFH devs mostly all got fired before TGG bought Maxent and I haven't seen any of them talking about Avatar, it's probably mostly the Diesel Legacy team which is where they got MikeZ too. I bet the engine dev Beta ended up working there because he was the guy that did all the crossplay stuff, which was extremely impressive for a shoestring budget indie back when Sony was being difficult about crossplay even for AAA games and he was one of the people that wasn't fired in the initial sacking wave. They'd be retarded to let him go if they could avoid it. iirc a couple of the animators that joined TFH after the initial also didn't get fired, so probably got moved to Diesel Legacy after TFH development ended and unless they quit would have been acquired by TGG as well. Aside from that, and maybe Nappy who was still around until the end of TFH DLC, everyone else would have had to be re-hired by TGG and I haven't heard anything about that.
>>744707264They explained it here:https://www.streetfighter.com/6/column/detail/sound01it's sad because world tour has some nice songs
>>744664914He's blue because he doesnt want you to post porn or gore on him
>>744707396
>>744707128>modern>10 years agolol, but there are some sf6 tracks I like. It's none of the character themes (except the outsourced ones) the cool tracks are all just buried in WT or someplace where you'd never hear themhttps://youtu.be/QZd1FiNPuoshttps://youtu.be/kBtdZ19cea4https://youtu.be/zvMi4-ik8xkhttps://youtu.be/iQMqgITh31o
I can't decide if I should buy Tokon. On one hand, I'm sick of SF6. On the other hand, watching combos that last ten years isn't fun either. I'm leaning towards no desu.
>>744707560just blow your money bro
>>744707505
>>744707560play only kami 6 until you die
>>744707560>the struggle of a capcomfag
>>744707526>modern>10 years agonta but the way game releases work now ends up generating this kind of confusion of terms. If you grew up in the 90s Capcom was pumping out games every few months, the game before the current one would be a part of the same era, even 2 or 3 games ago would probably still be in the same era. It's weird now because SFV was just one game ago, it's recent in that sense, even if it's been a decade and doesn't even feel like the same era anymore.
>>744707591I played the beta. The game seemed almost too simple, and I play fucking dix. >>744707629Fug...>>744707632I just want a decent fighting game with a large playerbase. I tried Tekken 8 and it felt so fucking clunky that I stopped after 66.6 hours.
>>744707560>On one hand, I'm sick of SF6Avatar, CotW, Strive, Granblue, BlazBlue, KoF, Tekken 8, fightcade...
>try to backdash out of an overhead attack after blocking standing up>really hard, can get clipped>try to backdash out of crouching block>easyExplain this anamoly
>>7447075600 reason to decide before the game is even out. This genre is cursed bro. Even if the beta was fine you never know what dumb shit is going to be in the release.
>>744707802ew
>>744707560I liked the game but I want to see day 1 if it's raped or anything so I'm waiting for now
>>744707763Just blow your money bro, the fuck are you being a dramaqueen about this shit for?
>>744707802I already played a lot of Strive. I wasn't a big fan though Zato was fun for a while. Granblue is dead, Blazblue is dead, Kof is super dead, Cotw is sorta dead, I am currently playing avatar, and I'd rather not go back to fightcade. Tekken 8 is a joke.
>>744707843that's a good point anon. I'll wait.>>744707910Agreed.>>744708169I'm not being a dramaqueen. I'm just thinking. I don't give af about any of the pre-order bonus bullshit so it really doesn't matter.
>>744666649TRASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LISTEveryone in braindead gorilla is HONEST MID TIER and also add blade, spiderman, carnage, and doomLoki ghost rider goblin and danger should be dishonest scumMAgs, storm, iron man penny parker should be lab only Dead poll either honest mid tier or dishonest
>>744707396MK1 is on PS+ and on Gamepass too(thats how i played it). Overall I dont get why more publishers dont take GP/PS+ deals for fightans since thats best genre to put into these gay subscriptions. You eliminate barrier of pay to play and FGs have lots of DLCs and microtransactions so when someone will stay playing they will give you money. Its perfect genre to put into these,im not suprised at all that MK1 has so many players.
>>744708735starlord can be dishonest scum for the switch up elemental weapons
>>744706185buktooth is a cvs2 legend and game director of avatar. the game is great.your issue may be with players that competed in marvel 3 and guilty gear. both have VERY particular tastes that don't fit with larger audiences.
>>744707526the subway battle theme is legit good as well
>Tokon has no reviews>Tokon has no Metacritic>Tokon has no reviews>Tokon has no Metacritic>Tokon has no reviews>Tokon has no MetacriticNo reviews and the game is a day away, something aint right
>>744709174Arcsys don't have paid reviewers?
>>744709251sony published, they'd be the ones paying
>>744709251nigga this is Sony
>>744709251Arc doesnt but Sony has, which is strange, embargo should be lifted now.
tokon will last 1 evo then fall off
I don't buy Tokon until it's on $50 sale and has Thor in it. If neither of these conditions are ever filled together I don't give a fuck.
Betting on 85 metacritic
>>744709174Sony is aware of the games bad impression and td reviewer not to release their reviews until release day afternoon after everyone has already bought the game
90. Extreme I know.
What's new with Soul Calibur?
>>744709403you can get it for that price if you know the right placesthor is inevitable
81
>>744709431Its a modern fighting game. If its lower than 80 on meta then its a MASSIVE piece of fucking feces in software form that barely works. Fighting games can have zero content,issues with networking and performance,dont do anything new than any other fg did,glitches and more and jurnos be like "9/10". Its fucking weird how this genre gets so much leeway lmao.
>>744709576>If its lower than 80 on meta then its a MASSIVE piece of fucking feces in software form that barely works.Well, if the PC port is the same as the beta, that would qualify
>>744709493still dead
Sad niggas predicting metacritic score
Journos would never throw the lefty arcsys under the bus since strive is the ultimate lgbt slop.90 metacritic
>>744709576>Its fucking weird how this genre gets so much leeway lmao.I assume no journalist wants to make the mistake of giving a 4/10 to a game that ends up being beloved by the FGC unless it has legit technical issues, that's an easy recipe for drama. But they don't want to actually research anything about fighting games other than the bare minimum. Giving high scores to everything solves all problems.
>>744709605Yeah and PC version will get 85+ on meta anyways. As I said its geniuenly retarded how fighting games are rated by gaming media. Insanely bare microscoping minimum to get 80+ lol.
>>744667994I used to play "realistic SF" with a friend. Only realistic characters, only realistic moves.That meant no jumping. You could do l.p shoryuken, but no fireballs of any kind.I remember those times as some of the best fights ever.And bushido blade of course.
>>744709576I think Tokon is the modern fighting game with the most content on release>5 entire stories which look high quality too>in-game character guides (no idea what they're about but the option was there)>all the minigames and the lobbiesI think it's fine for a casual
>>744709403>>744709506oh, Thor is inevitable alright. prepare to have your MVC-centric expectations subverted.
>>744709748I'm hoping that one of the modes is like a Chaos Tower/Rogulike type bullshit. pie in the sky but a man can dream
>>744709802Not there yet but I can see them adding oneThey did that in Granblue where you also had to fight mickey mouse boss versions of the characters which was funny. Even though that mode was something you played once and that's it
Literally all the villain characters except Dr Doom look fun and innovative. Does Doom even have Doombots in his moveset ?
>>744709748SF6 easily clears that anon even at release it did. I remember being suprised how fucking long world tour was.
>>744680972I was good at some point. Maybe regional level.But that was a long time ago. I'm almost 42, dont play regularly anymore, and when I do, I tend to struggle with execution.
>>744709861>Does Doom even have Doombots in his moveset?Just in his cinematic superThey even change with the skin
>>744709842wait thats real?I was kinda of hoping GBVS would have something like that since its an RPG but I thought it just had a dogshit story.
>>744709780Nah they won’t do it.Even Cosmic Invasion bailed out on the real Thor by giving us Beta Ray Bill.Plus, Thor will be part of the new Avengers movie this year as the central hero character.I’m fully expecting ArcSys to give us a gigachad anime Thor version
>>744709954https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hint1tsct7QIt does but it's just ok
>>744710019I can't find the image exactly but I remember seeing an image in a Tokon trailer of a mode where there was like little hexagons on a grid. I'm hoping its a dungeon crawler mode with modifiers and progression.
>>744709780>holder of least selling comic run in marvels history>movie was dogshit bombYeah nigga you're just a braindead coomer fem Thor aint getting in unless ASW is retarded.
>>744709982ain't no way ArcSys would choose Beta Ray Bill over Jane Foster Thor. lol>>744710143we'll see, vappa.
>>744680972Back in 2024, I reached Platinum rank with Manon in SF6. Since then, I dropped fighting games to play more chill games and read books.Now getting back because of Tokon
>>744709954>but I thought it just had a dogshit story.The dogshit story is also a fully featured RPG. It also has a fall guys mode, lobby minigames, Rising released with a ton of characters, cosmetics. I think it is one of the most complete modern fighting games, all it's missing is arcade mode endings.
I hope Tokon become the biggest fighter for the next few years. Capcom has gotten too comfortable in their success and it shows. There's no reason this "huge update" included jack shit for content. No new stages, no costumes, no colors, no challenger screens, 4 characters per year. Just arrogant behavior and they need to be knocked down a peg or two expeditiously
>>744710798Seriously doubt it, the tag stuff is radioactive to normies, and also the anime styleIt can be 2° or 3° place though
>>744710778>The dogshit story is also a fully featured RPGthe hell, no its not.
how do all the different gokus even work wouldn't that get really confusing. are they visually distinct enough to not blur together?
>>744710798me too, anon.
Has anyone checked on 2xko? he's been oddly silent and no sign of that generic white woman he promised
>>744710838It was more of an RPG in the first game but it still has more than the usual cinematic story mode. You equip items, earn levels, fight unique bosses, it's an actual RPG.
>>744710798>included jack shit for content.Yeah it would be nice if->no costumes, no colors, no challenger screensOh nevermind you're just a little consumer piggy
>>744697843is that cat ok?
>>744711030whaat? Are we talking about the fighting game? Cus the current version doesn't have that and I'm, actually fucking mad. I would like even a shitty version of what you're talking about.
>>744710798This is exactly what we should be hoping for. Fighting games need competition otherwise they get lazy. They should try and win over players from other games.I bet Capcom hates Tokon with a burning passion because people will now forget MvC. So I hope this makes SF6 better.Similarly, with VF Crossroads releasing next year, hoping that TK8 gets better
>>744710798The FGC has double standards for Capcom, at most we get an SFV vs DBFZ situation where Tokon overtakes it for a year or so before SF gets back on top. I still remember James Chen's "If SFV dies, the FGC dies" comment being the common sentiment, pros trying their hardest to gaslight casuals and get people buying a legit unfinished game for the good of the FGC. On the other hand, I remember a literal who with almost no followers tweeting something like:>if people don't buy CotW we will be telling all game companies we don't want fighting games with strong defensive mechanics, we need to save the genre!Not exactly what he said, but all the usual personalities like Sajam, Diaphone, Broski and such started to shit on the guy and called it an example of how pathetic and delusional SNK fans are, bringing an spotlight to a literal who for easy content, and then parodying the tweet when talking about Nen Impact.
>>744711117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNEJcyuR6wThis is the first game. I admit I only played a bit of the new one and I know it was simplified, but I think it's still an RPG.
>>744711342>pros trying their hardest to gaslight casualsThis is just another Tuesday for them, western pros were desperately trying to gas up 2xko because they genuinely thought they could get sweet riot esport salary
>>744711380the new one has a story mode and thats it. MAYBE you level up in it or some shit but its linear and retarded. This is the kind of mode i'd kill for in any upcoming fighter
Did you guys end up seeing the hub world for Tokon? It's way more fleshed out than Dragon Ball FighterZ. There's the main hub world, and separate hub worlds of all the universes the characters in game are from that you can visit by teleporting to, with a ton of fighting cabinets in each. They're all fucking huge. It's huge.
>>744711158>I bet Capcom hates Tokon with a burning passionNakayama and the rest of the fighting games division maybe, but I assume Capcom in general is too busy with RE and MH to care about one of their dead licensed franchises that only brought them headaches. Because even before Infinite flopped, didn't they have issues with the Marvel license which made them unable to keep supporting UMvC3?
>>744665153Street Fighter (original)
>>744710798SF6 is too big in Japan and that's all Capcom cares about and Japan is too cucked of a society to think a company is taking advantage of them which is why they all defended and paid for the Capcom Cup PPV. There's zero chance a Marvel game will end up being super popular in Japan so it won't get dethroned in Capcom's eyes.
>>744710798Goodluck undoing 4 years of vtumor brainwashing Capcom did in Japan. That country plays nothing but SF6 now
>>744711463GBVSR director. Even though, Tokon's has way more details and feels more flashed out.
>>744711463I hope they go all in on single player content, which they’ll have to if they want to keep the casual audience entertained. Injustice did it too.
>>744711571Yeah but if Tokon dethrones SF6 to become the top fighting game in America, Capcom will definitely be rattled
>>744664914Anyone here care about the fact Dan Fornace stopped being a faggot and let players turn off all the slop PM mechanics he added do you can turn Rivals 2 back into Rivals 1?I haven't tried it yet, but Rivals 2 was a shit sequel for not building on what was perfect about 1 and adfing shields and ledges, rrmovibg drift di and whifflag and jump after up special
>>744712642Sir, this is a fighting game thread.
>>744688981Who is this homosexual
Why is Mai wearing a "MILK" t-shirt
>always being a Blanka guy>get accused of tierwhoreing nowIt ain't easy being green.
Just watched the melty blood twi lumina stream with subtitles on and... holy fuck man it's bad, you could feel how desperate the game's battle designer is, It's hard to believe it wasn't satire.
>>744713251That reminds me, wasn't french bread announced they have a new battle designer? Is this the guy?
>>744691167She's fine. She's slimy comboslop in a game that's already filled to the brim with annoying neutral skipping comboslop. I struggle against her because she's so fast and I cannot tell what is even punishable.
>>744702136He looks really fun.
>>744713339No, Kamone has been around since Re:Act or around that time. He got hired because Narita or someone at FB discovered Kamone running a website cataloging all of Sion's infinites in OG Melty Blood in the early 2000s.>>744713251We have to be fair, he's advertising the game to a bunch of unironic gachatards at FGO's 11th anniversary convention.
>>744713251>abandon Type LuminaYeah, I hope Twi-Lumina fucking bombs hard and ends up being a massive failure.
Oh and it probably won't be any better at TGS because we also have to remember that for all the pros that Japan has produced for fighting games, it's also filled with a significant number of super casuals who're afraid to get into fighting games as any other place.
>>744713251obviously he was only showing off the Act mode stylish equivalent and the real game isn't anything like thatobviouslyplease
>>744710798>I hope Tokon become the biggest fighter for the next few years.I don't think Tokon is very good, but even if I loved it I don't see what difference that would make to Capcom. It's a niche genre. There was never any real renaissance.
thank god for tokon
>>744714102Act Mode IS the autocombo mode, plus there seems to be new normals which hopefully means the combo system in the game isn't literally built around autocombos outside of the autocombo control scheme.
Every piece of artwork in Avatar costs 500 coins while I only made ~1500 coins in almost 10 hours of playing. Damn, they really expect me to play this game for hundreds of hours haha~ of course I'm not gonna do that haha~
Bros...
>>744714837They snuck that shit in one of the patches, too, they used to be 100 each.
>Tokon out tomorrowFFFFFUUARRK I WANT IT NOW
>>744715178loved this game
>>744715824It's just 18 hours left kalm
>>744713450I think it's a self-fulfilling cycle>1. Developer makes a difficult game>2. Player complains>3. Developer gets afraid of losing money, makes the game easier>4. Player gets dumber>5. Developer gets tired of appealing to literal retards>6. repeatOnly way to fix it is if the entire industry suddenly decides to go on an entire year releasing games only an adult with a functioning brain could play.>>744714102It's not about the Act mode, although I do find it kinda redundant, it's about the gauntlet (drive impact) thing, Act Cadenza already gave a lesson on how to make a good Melty Blood game, it's intuitive, simple and fast and every character is unique... and then Kamone decided to never do it ever again. Why? What's with all this meter bullshit? It's in every game he's made in the past few years, sure, the guy pretty much invented this meter tug-of-war thing but it's a design that only works if you're a giant game made by a giant company, Melty doesn't have any kind of appeal to the lowest common denominator, why does he keep throwing it's growing community under the bus for a bunch of drooling retards? He uses the internet and always interacts with the fans, he knows Current Code was designed so well it's longevity might as well have reached immortality levels (quite fitting for the story of tsukihime), it gets more and more players each year it pretty much surpassed type lumina, yet he refuses to act accordingly.
>Daisuke's Vision>Mori's Vision>Kamone's Vision>Mike Z's Vision>Harada's Vision>Murray's Vision>Nakayama's VisionThese visions ALL must die
>>744664914blueper saiyan is such a jobber cuck formcontinuing dbz was a mistake
>>744716451Pachi too
>>744716451>Mike Z's Visionhe already course corrected, he's fine
how can I figure out how to beat pressure strings in Strive?I keep getting raped by giovanas and Slayers because I don't know when I can press buttons and when I can't
>>744716995Go into training mode, pick the character yourself, set the dummy to press a button when there's a gap and then do whatever pressure sequence you were struggling with.
>>744716456What am I looking at here?
>>744717380Goku
>>744717242alright, is there a way to convert stuff from replays into the training mode or do I have to just figure it out manually?I guess learning more characters isn't a bad way to learn anyway
As homogenized as Tokon might be SF6 is about as bad. There's more to a fighting game than depth anyway. The real problem is that Tokon just looks like an over-busy clusterfuck the way DBFZ does.
>>744717417You have to figure it out manually, but it's just Giovanna and Slayer so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Maybe if were Zato you'd have a hard time. Unfortunately not many fighting games have replay takeover even though they all should.
>Don't like SF6>Don't like Tokon>Don't like CotW (not that anyone plays it anyway)Man.
>>744716451kuk
>>744664914BABABABABABABABA
>>744717742Avatar
High level Tokon is going to be a nightmare.
>>744720248Low level is going to be worse.
Blazblue Tag is my favorite fighting game, will I enjoy Tokon
Why is Sony holding all the Tokon reviews?
>>744721129pretty self explanatory after the beta, I think
>>744720248And people said Tokon was slow. Looks good to me.
>>744721210It is slow. Which is good. Except for combo length.
>>744693094the classic outfits for iron man and cap are cool but mohawk storm has always been ugly and spiderman's suit is barely indistinguishable from his base outfit.
>>744716995>GioShe's like -4 on everything so as long as she can still cancel good luck taking your turn, her stagger pressure is extremely goodLearn what her specials look like, most Gio scrubs will end with the dog kick or delaying the dog kick and it makes it easy to take your turn back here6P the spiral arrow in neutral>SlayerHis fS (standing punch with 2 hits) is +4, his 6H (lunging kick) is +3 if you crouched, but he can't move so he's susceptible to FDHis big thing is he's gonna do Dandy Step, which is a pseudo-rekka that you're forced to engage with He has a high/low option, with the high being reactable and a slow jumping move that's extremely plusSo the mindgame is you can counterhit the startup of the high/low with a 2K and block or even throw the jumping move. But he can risk it with Pilebunker, which will counterhit anything, at the risk of being punishable with a cS starter if it's blocked. Logic would say they'd do it when they have 50 meter to back themselves up with an RC, but Slayer players do not operate on thatAlso if he does it from cS and you didn't FD, he can cross you up
>>744721020This except I will not be enjoying Tokon. The beta was fun but EAC is too much of a deal breaker for me.
>>744693094Is Roman Emperor Doom from a comic somewhere? Never seen it before.
>>744702136oh nohe's hot
>>744693094I think arcsys just made the design up, maybe based on picrel idk, could be some ultimate universe design or something that I don't know of
>>744720248I don't really get the practicality of these feints to be quite honest, I guess they're just command dashes?
>>744723009basically forces you to check him with safe attacks all the timethe air ones are pretty good, you try to 2H him, hes gone, you whiffed, you die
>>744720248Looks like standard ArcSys junk to me. Did people really expect something else?
>>744664914THAT NIGGA IS BLUE LIKE CANDY
>>744723072Can't you just cover your whiff with an assist?
>>744667994He's right about traditional fightersFunnily enough he solved the things that make combos annoying with melee, then went full retard and made brawl
>>744720248is it absolutely necessary that loki does this?
>>744723610Yes.
>>744723610Loki is canonically zesty as fuckHe turned himself into a mare and got himself pregnant
Play garouden breakblow: fist or twist
>>744667994he always was right and it's being proven now in the sf6 era
>>744675781>Avatar almost matching Tekken, above strive, and almost 2x 2xkoDamn it feels good to be an avatard
>>744716058I never played re:ACT or AC, how different is it from AACC
>>744667994All other things equal it's obviously true; just compare one of the better versions of SF2 to SF6.
>>744685951FighterZ was traditional tag ala MvC
BUILT for BIG GAMMA COCK!!
>>744667994combos can be interesting if they're difficult and resource intensive to the point there's a real risk going for itbut what usually happens is corner carry into looping oki
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>>744723610This character has a woman version, yes he absolutely needs to be doing this, it would be a disservice if he didnt.
>>744723009Some of the feints leave him airborne so he can trick you into doing something while he punishes that with an airdash normal going in.
When you think about it Blazblue and Melty Blood's initial versions are both dogshit and I highly doubt any of you would play BBCT and vanilla Melty in 2026 if they didn't exist. You would call them modern games, especially Blazblue, which was prioritizing the casual audience originally.Rather than stomping on Twilumina we need to congratulate Kamone for listening to the playerbase and trying something new.Reminder BBCT -> BBCS -> BBCS2-> BBCSEX -> finally *Rachel voice* "CLONE FANTASIMA"It took Mori 5 version of the fucking game before we got peak. 5 versions. UNI arcade -> UNIEL arcade -> UNISTIt took Kamone half the time to find his version of *Rachel voice* "CLONE FANTASIMA" however the game has went to shit since UNIST. I don't think UNI2 is that bad, it just doesn't have anything refreshing. It's like we're playing a community edition of UNIST with unofficial sloppy changes made by fansSo personality I believe Twilumina will be better than Type Lumina by miles but it'll just feels like UNIEL which was... alright I guess. The next Lumina game will hit *Rachel voice* CLONE FANTASIMA Gold
why is strive so popular with zoomers and despised by everyone older than 30?
>>744726296It's shit
TROUBLEEEEE
>>744726334sf6 and t8 are way worse
>>744726296for me, it's the HUD and the wall breaks. they're too different from what i prefer as a 30 year old vet. that stuff is probably easier to acclimate to if Strive is one of the introductory fighting games of your youth.
>>744726296cuz the combo videos are less interesting
>>744726296Fighting games are such a significant time investment that any deviation will piss off the existing playerbase.
>>744726502I like the game and the wallbreaks (even though the animation is too long), but the HUD is definitely lacking and one of the weakest points of the game
>>744726296its funny because i got few zoomer friends to try strive and then xrd and r+ and said strive is clunky and music is ass but liked xrd because it had stylish mode and more free movement and they had more fun mashing in that
>>744717467>>744721534thanks anonsit's a pain that I can't lab against dlc charactersalso struggling a bit punishing with P/K and converting it into something, gotta practice
>>744726401Okay. And?
>>744716995>how can I figure out how to beat pressure strings in Strive?you hold down back and do shield when you see enemy hit animation is about to hit you it aint rocket science nigga strive has billion crossup and fuzzy protection built in it the only times you gonna get hit because you allowed it to happen
>>744727574>struggling a bit punishing with P/K and converting it into somethingNow that combos are shorter, you're pretty much limited to 2/5P>6P>Special and 2/5K>2D
>>744727275i might be more tolerant of wallbreaks if the animation wasn't so long.
>>744727639they don't get the same hate
My brother is coming into town in a few days, and is bringing his gaming laptop (yea i know) with tekken 8, as I used to assblast him in tekken 5dr. In the old days I'd go to tekken zaibatsu and look up the feng wei top 10 thread, and find a quick little combo that isn't too hard. Now TZ is fuckin dead. Where do i go for a feng wei quickstart guide?
>>744728407I can't speak for Tekken because I don't care, but every Street Fighter thread is about shitting on SF6. You can go look at /sfg/ right now. It's nothing but shitting on SF6.
>>744728635capcom only cares about casual opinions
>>744726034>game franchises refine themselves as time goes on if they dont wildly pivot with each iteration Your point?
