Japan is just better at RPGs.
>>744666446Wish there was more games with jap aesthetics but western gameplay.The wizardy game looked great but it's gacha
>>744666446Except for the role playing part
>>744666446Nah. Expedition 33 invalidated the entire Japanese videogame industry.
>>744666941when wrpgfags talk about roleplaying they are barely talking about the game anymore and just self-insert crap. the roleplaying in a video game is characters having roles determined by their stats, not your feelings on what the role should be.
>>744668453WRPGs are just the western version of Japanese porn visual novels
>>744668564what an insult to VNs. VNs have real choices and routes.
>>744668453>the roleplaying in a video game is characters having roles determined by their statsSo FPS games where you can be a heavy gunner with a lot of HP but low speed, or choose to be a sniper with the opposite, etc. is an RPG?
>>744666446play Monochrome Echoes
>>744669243if the character has stats and progression tied to those stats, yes.
>>744668453You just described 90% of video games, dummy. Is command and conquer an RPG because you choose a faction to fill a ROLE? No, it isn't and you're retarded.
>>744667658This.Old and busted: JRPGsNew hotness: FRPGs
>>744666446they're very skilled at lifting western rpg concepts and slapping pedophile bait on it
>>744669957wtf, I love japanese rpgs now!
when are we getting anime dnd game like dungeon meshi?
>>744669628funny how faggots like you always come out of the woodwork pretending like you never seen a character stat sheet before. it's obvious what i mean by a character's stats being the main focus of RPGs. it's not obvious what most people mean by "roleplaying" as so far it isn't concerned with a stat sheet. is it a mental state? if anything it's that form of "roleplaying" that applies to 90% of games. you can "roleplay" as mario.
>>744666941Well, if you compare it to games like Crusader Kings or Dominions or A Legionary's Life then yeah. But the so-called WRPGs (I'm using RPG/WRPG/MMORPG/etc without spelling them out to refer to "games-typically-referred-to-as-x" and "role-playing game" to refer to a game that is serious about supporting role-play) as a genre are fundamentally opposed to the notion of playing in-character, starting from their most fundamental core mechanics like levels and loot: if a character with a lifetime of experience is mechanically incentivized to start hunting dangerous wildlife in order to earn "experience" then you've basically forfeited any right to call the game "a role-playing game". Basically all mechanics are like that, and the plot also tends to be twisted to serve mechanical tropes rather than facilitate actually realistic in-character choices (say, player character always gets their own hands dirty, even when the game clearly depicts a culture in which the social expectation is for elites to command from the rear, not to lead from the front: basically the only reasonable in-character choice is ruled out by fiat).It's more like "character-building" or "role-construction" game, which gives the player agency to craft a character and playthrough to their own image, including the "class fantasy", but also what love interest they (the player, not the character - LIs are almost always playersexual, and extremely few games even notice that it's *weird* that a dwarf is attracted to big tiddy goth chick, absolutely NOT about putting the player in their character's shoes) want to pursue, or what kind of ending they want to see (the player can feel secure that all options the game presents as "paths" lead to the kind of finale you would narratively expect, rather than making the player weigh things like the plan's chance of success or personal risk). And yes, the so-called JRPGs tend to be awful on that count. But this isn't roleplaying.
>>744669628>to fill a ROLE?i had a friend like this who argued every single game could be a "role playing game" since you're always taking the "role" of the chartacterthis was also a discussion we had in grade 5
WRPGs are just bad simulations of tabletop games. JRPGs fully embrace the video game format and are much more experimental in their combat systems, lightyears ahead in storytelling and presentation, and aren't tied down by the generic D&D settings. WRPGs are video game adaptations of pen and paper, while JRPGs are video games to their core.
>>744666446Japan is in general better at video games than the West and they always have been.
>>744670683>JRPGs fully embrace the video game formatJRPGS are literal anime slop shows with a phone game mixed in, they have the "video game format" of a DVD interactive menu
>>744670906>anime slopOpinion disregarded. Fuck off, tourist.
>>744670512>you're always taking the "role" of the chartacterthis is the source of the confusion. you either see roleplaying as an actual feature of the game irrespective of the player, or you see roleplaying as a mental activity of the player that the game may facilitate by being immersive. the problem with the latter is that it isn't a genre distinction.>>744670906>anime slopanime website
>>744670683>4 niggas in a row>menu based combat >no branching paths>teenagers killing god for the 10,000th time *YAWN*
>>744671226Explain in your own words why anything you listed is bad.
>>744670512If you think about a game like Tetris then it does make sense: it does have the twist of making the player act out the role of succession of different characters, but when you're controlling an I-block for example, it is in nature of I-blocks to complete a Tetris, and if the player imagines themselves as a virtuous (rather than vicious) I-block then they will do just that. Ditto for something like an Eastern front wargame: depending on the game you might be assuming the role of Zhukov/Stalin/Stavka/spirit of the nation of the USSR, but each particular game tends to be quite explicit about the players' role, and they genuinely put you in the shoes of the titular character: trying to win the World War. But there are exceptions: as I noted in a previous post, it's pretty much a trope within RPGs for example that the player leads from the front, but they tend to depict fantasy early modern societies (with some contemporary sensibilities) in which it would be expected of high aristocracy to command from the rear, and so they rule out the only plausible way to act out the role you're given, completely unlike games like Tetris that support this playstyle just fine.
>>744671226Kino alert
>>744669797Fuck you I’m watching that movie when I get home now.
>>744671307If you've played one a single time you have played them all. I used to play lots of jrpgs in the snes/ps1 days. Then I realized the only difference between them was the name. That was 30 years ago.
>>744666923From what I played it honestly wasn’t terrible. Granted I didn’t get super far due to my phone always getting hot as fuck while running it and was too lazy to start over on the steam release so idk how intrusive the monetization gets in the later game.
>>744671597So you're basing your opinion on 30-year-old memories of a genre you haven't engaged with in just as long?
>>744671226>4 niggas in a row>menu based combatThis is not a flaw and isn't even worth complaining about. This is like complaining about a platformer having jumping.>>744671597Killing God is the modern stereotype. Back in the 90s the generic JRPG final boss was a demon king.
Is this...an East vs West thread? Oh yes, yes it is! My favourite threads on all of 4channel! There's nothing quite like watching people make sweeping generalisations about games and genres they don't play or engage with outside of cultural osmosis or make extremely reductive arguments!
>>744671809I played persona 5 and it was 4 niggas in a row, menu based combat and teenagers killing god. Lmao. Just like final fantasy 1-15. Just like suikoden. Etc. The stereotype exists for a reason. Cope.
>>744672083>implying any game you engage with via a menu is the same
>>744666446the best rpgs are torment, gothic, and deus exI don't care about cherrychinkshit so I only associate their rpgs with final fantasy and other garbage like that where you just slide the popup windows for living
>>744670906lul
>>744672081>yes I do think this conversation is being held in good faith and I am making a change
>>744672353>the best rpgs are torment, gothic, and deus exoverrated dogshit
