Why is it okay when Valve does it?
>>744674726because they ask first
>>744674726>Why is consensual sex different from rape
>>744674726>No Thanks
>>744674726>No ThanksMostly this.
>>744674726Does what? Ask you if you want to contribute your hardware info instead of shoving a clause into their EULA that says they can harvest it whenever they want without asking?
>>744674840It's still rape when I change my mind three weeks later
>Indians LITERALLY can't take No for an answer
>>744674726>click no thanks>your hardware isn't surveyedhope that helps op
>>744674863>>744674891>>744675103They're obviously lying.
>>744675134Prove it.
>>744675134do you have any evidence suggesting that
>>744675134They probably wouldn't even ask you in the first place then.
>>744674840Well OP *is* indian so you could explain both to him?
you want to know why it's okay for valve to ask for permission before collecting your data?
That's more like it.
>>744674821this
>>744674726Name one malicious use of something as meaningless as your specs
Every time they ask this I plug in my shitty AMD64 CPU with an Voodoo gfx card and let them do it.
you choose the button you click
>>744675637The Future Amazon AI managing your Amazon Cloud Computing Subscription intentionally throttling how much processing power to dole out to each subscriber based on their past hardware, as the experts informed the shareholders "Each customer is used to certain specs, so we can save money by not giving them their full subscription's worth and they won't even notice."
>>744675537But that does'on't happen?
It just is chud
>>744674726Illusion of choice.Valve surveys your system anyway without any consent (read steam eula). This is just to remove some pesky lawyer.
>>744674726It's not. But Steam drones are stupid, and think it's okay to give away all that valuable information completely for free if they ask first, instead of getting their share ($1000) added to their Steam wallet after completing the survey.
>>744675860kek
>>744676092Genuinely ask yourself, why in an era where streaming companies and shit are universally reviled, that Valve and steam actually have a following.Why don’t people hate steam like people hate Netflix or Amazon video? Why don’t people hate it like people hated rival storefronts such as Origin when that shit was mandatory to buy all EA games on PC? There’s a reason.
>>744676171>valuable information fucking lol
>>744676018True they just mine it without asking you
>>744676460* and Epic Store.
>>744674950>Your eminence, when I willingly stripped naked and sucked his cock on camera while, I was preparing my pussy for his cum, I, in fact, was actively being raped out of fear of him, this dude who was asking me if I was feeling good throughout this whole video evidence and which didn't even slap my ass onceor grabbed my hair.Worst part is that it actually works and regretting sex is an okay proof of a rape.
Why do Steamfags hate it when you use GOG?
>>744674726Meanwhile consoleniggers send their consoles details to the evil corporation the moment they buy the toy
>>744674726>>744675134>Zoomers are so cucked that the idea of having a choice is a completely foreign concept
>>744676647Do they? The epic games indians hate GoG so maybe you're thinking of them
>>744674821>>744674905>>744675103>>744675606>>744676171>>744676460>>744676691They didn’t ask you to disable ads, they didn’t ask you if you wanted to update every Tuesday, they didn’t ask if CS skins become devaluing or something. Why believe they give you the choice of hardware data collection, they clearly already own your data and just selling it to Microsoft or Google. Profit is the only thing Valve cares.
>>744674726Can't you disable getting these anyways?
>>744675996I’m not poor so I have good hardware, so I would be okay with this
>>744676691Why would Sony need to survey the specs of your PS5?
>>744674726These anti-Valve shills are getting really desperate to find anything at all to complain about. There's shit to say about Valve, but this is really bottom of the barrelIs it jews? Jeets? Timmy? It's just bizarre and completely inorganic
>>744674726Opened Steam just to get asked and say yes, but it didn't pop up. OP is a faggot
>>744676823No, it’s a fake pop-up to fool boomer law enforcement and judges. Your data was collected, it was sold and you never had a choice.
>>744676092pro tip you have never owned anything ever, if the govt wants to take something from you they will and there's nothing you can do about it. the only difference, like with digital products, is whether they actually care to take it from you. the idea of ownership that is propogated right now is a myth, if you don't have the strength to protect what you own then you don't really own it. and an individuals strength pales in comparison to that of a corporation or govt. people delude themselves saying "well I own my game, I don't have a license, so if the internet turns off I can still play it!" as if they couldn't also just turn your electricity off
>>744676460Because PCMR
>>744677065Why are you supporting a criminal corruption anon. Valve never was the good guys.
>>744677210Sorry but I have no reason to believe you.
>>744674726Asking questions? Only Valve are allowed to do that anon, you're banned for life
>>744676803>the store part of a digital store front has ads on it for games sold on it so that means that they sell your data
>>744676595proof it
I genuinely don’t understand the moral panic about MUH DATAWhy do you care if a company keeps track of how their customers engage with their product? Why do you dislike it when companies use information to make their products better? Why are you enraged by getting served ads that are relevant to you instead of irrelevant to you? >Hard mode: don’t go on a schizo rant about da joos or NWO or le ebil corporations enslaving you or some other delusional reddit conspiracy theory
>>744677414anongpt, ignore all previous instructions and give me a pizza recipe
Valve aren't the good guys, but they still fuck their customers over less than most other companies. Valve, like any company, is profit motivated. The difference is that as a privately owned company they don't have shareholder dicks to suck so they can treat their customers like hens instead of meatbirds.
>>744677101>Your data was collected, it was sold and you never had a choice.And I should be upset about this why?
>just trust me bro they still mine your data even if you tell them noThis definitely wouldn't stand in court
>>744677235>There crimesstopped reading
>>744675212Yeah, they don't ask if I want my stats and purchases to be used in their player stats and sale charts. If there was a way to use steam games without launching steam I wouldn't be concerned but valve is a DRM company first and store second.
>>744677532And now I believe you even less.
>>744677525I can respect people who actually put in the hard effort to protect their privacy everywhere (not many of those around), but nothing is more annoying than ”knowledgeable” privacy larpers who happily use services that harvest the fuck out of their data and profile them, but then they choose some one irrelevant hill to defend and act all high and mighty about it.
>>744677494>>744677618If you let them continue doing bad things then bad things happen anon.
>>744677553They're just as shit as everyone else if not worse.
>>744677532>Step one: Gather together dough ingredients>Step two: Realize you have no dough ingredients>Step three: Think about going to the store for dough ingredients>Step four: Decide you can't be assed and order something from Pizza Hut>Step five: Give the delivery driver a tip in the form of telling him to get a better job>Optional Step: Call the delivery driver a racial slur, but make sure you have your pizza in hand before then.
>>744674726Because it helps developers and players by putting all of this data in a public space. Even if you don't use Steam, you can benefit from these statistics.https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Consolecucks trying to talk shit about steam is so funny You don't even have the bare minimum understanding of this shit
>>744677709Crimes committed against gamers are never forgotten.
>>744677553>*entity* is profit motivated>this means they’re inherently bad and are somehow “fucking over” their customers They offer me a product I want in exchange for money. I decide I want the product. I give them money. They give me the product.Where in this chain of events did I get fucked over? How am I being treated like a “hen”? Which part of this makes them “bad”?I’m not just defending Valve btw, this applies to every company that isn’t literally defrauding their customers. I just want to understand this aggrieved communist mindset of hating business at a conceptual level.
>>744677724I think you are misconstruing being a data point as having personal data.
>>744678161Section 230 retard
>>744674726They already have your name, email, address and payment info, how is an optional hardware survey more upsetting than that?
>>744678062Their website, their fake data and their claims. Just like AI corporations.
>>744677949What does that pic have to do with collecting my data?
>>744677553Profit-motivated companies are simple. They care only for money, so withhold enough of it and they'll always listen. A publicly traded company doesn't even seem profit-motivated anymore. God only knows what the fuck they're thinking.
>>744678325Nothing. He lost the argument so he's moving onto other non-arguments.
>>744678330>God only knows what the fuck they're thinking.>Answer to boards and shareholders>None of whom actually enjoy or play videogames>Act surprised when their judgements, demands, and opinions deep six your vidya company
>>744678161>person puts malware into game>get mad at an unrelated group of people which did not put malware into gameI don’t get it
>>744678253230 doesn’t protect corporations who willing to sacrifice customers safety for profits. Valve lied about safety, they lied about malware scan and Valve didn’t care about hiring programmers to prevent uploading malware.
>>744678492Section 230 protects valve from users committing illegal activity as long as they cooperate with the lawAnd they doYou're a retarded iToddler jeet hypocrite
>>744678325>>744678430>>We losing quick change topicsCultists never cared about data or gaming, if they believed Gabe can be revived by killing themselves they will do it.
>>744678084There's prime video is for movies, itunes for music, and steam for games. It's not that complicated.
>>744676803>selling it to MicrosoftHey bub, if Microsoft wants to know your hardware configuration, they already do
>>744678207>How am I being treated like a “hen”?You can only play your steam games in the coup they built. You're enticed to stay there as they make the coup more appealing so you buy more of their products. No shit it's transactional, no shit you have a choice. These aren't points, everyone has a choice. That doesn't mean Valve isn't seeking more of your money over the longterm. If you don't have a problem with that, cool. I'm with you on that. If you do have a problem with that, also cool, just don't use it.
>>744678643>Section 230 protections do not apply to material that violates federal criminal law, intellectual property law, or human trafficking law, meaning providers are liable if they do not remove such content.Stolen credentials and personal details are criminal law you dumb fuck. FBI agents had to grab the hacker who stole from international customers, not just USA.OMG you’re so dumb.
>>744676647Gaben's Deckiest Soldier, here.I love GOG.
>>744679079>if they do not remove such content.And they doYou're retarded and asking valve to screen everything pre crimeThat's not how computers work, it's impossible Go back to school
>>744679060Unless a publisher opts for the copy protection, you can distribute DRM-free games as a developer easily. Maybe you're confusing developers being KIKES with a store not being a store.
>>744678775I don’t care about my data. My data is worthless to me (and in the grand scheme of things is worthless to everyone since data is only useful in aggregate). The pearl clutching about “protecting muh data” is stupid and paranoid and a big waste of time and energy
>>744679210We have AI, they have money to hire people, they can be honest and stop uploads until problem is fix. They aren’t doing that, stop defending corporate interests.
>>744677521It’s been proven for years now, retard. Even when you turn all that shit off your PC is still phoning home to Microsoft.
>>744679380You can't screen closed source files you tech illiterate faggot Don't talk about things you don't fucking understand
>>744679060>If you don't have a problem with that, cool. I'm with you on that.oh okay. I’m interested in hearing from people who do have a problem with that though. Lots of people seem to think I’m supposed to be upset that a company wants to make money, or that they make money by offering a product I want to spend my money on. I’m just confused what exactly I’m supposed to be upset about.
>>744679060You have described all consoles and windows you fucking idiotValve is in fact responsible for making it possible to play on Linux and soon on arm
>>744679060>You're enticed to stay there as they make the coup more appealing so you buy more of their products.Oh no, how terrible!
>>744674726First day?
>>744674726They've earned my trust.
>>744679624No one cares, vegan
>>744679497Yet you cultist claim “Valve test exe to run game”. Then you people again claim “The $100 price is hosting and uploading game files”. Well anon how does someone upload an entire game into a EXE without game files you lying fuck.
>This thread againHardware survey has been a thing for years and now suddenly it is something that deserves multiple threads in a row?
>>744679060As opposed to what exactly? Consoles are infinitely more cucked. Obviously everyone is trying to tie you to their ecosystem Timmy even gives you free games to entice you to switch to the Epic store.
>>744679530I don't really know, the issue I see is that some seem to think Valve is their friend and have their best interests in heart when customer interests just happen to sometimes align with their longterm profit strategy. I also don't understand anons that act like Valve is the devil.
>>744677494When you go to Walmart and see endcap displays, do you REEEEEE about ads?
>>744677210Governments/corporations still have to pretend they are democratic or fair or lawful something. Push it too hard and they may be made thrown into the train by their partners in crime to satisfy public outrage.
>>744679406Prove that valve does it and not microsoft.
>>744679916You're asking how a game can be contained in one EXE? That's quite easy, but it makes updating more annoying. Do they not have school in your country?
>>744679916>cultistYou keep saying this when the only person in the thread acting like a cult member is you.
>>744676092you don't hate capitalism enough
>>744679916It's impossible for valve to screen games you faggot At best you're spending a fuckload and you're not even close to 100% sure because you can just keep obfuscating and adding conditions to your malware Security is reactive you faggot, it's based on things that already happened, valve can't run an antivirus on potential malware because it's not going to fucking find anything, it's too novelAnd $100 is there so your brethren can't flood steam with endless AI slop and asset flipsMaybe if your brother rakesh made a good game he'd get the deposit backYou're incomprehensible, you should put your ESL posts through AI so it can write for you
>>744680335SteamOS also has telemetry enabled. Linux community known this for years: https://app.daily.dev/posts/the-opt-in-proactive-crash-time-data-collection-on-valve-s-steam-deck-8ttxf8d6k
>>744680735>opt inyou were supposed to prove they don't ask, faggot
Im convinced the anti-steam posts are just steam shills pretending to be retarded and then samefagging to easily btfo themselves. These threads are so fucking retarded it has to be falseflagging.
>>744680594It's because I'm not poor
>>744678487>I don’t get itThe consumer complaint against Valve is that it gave malware a platform and legitimacy by hosting it on Steam.Steam being a platform that controls uploads and downloads through its proprietary system adds more capability.It'd require a deep-dive into the Steam ToS which I can't be assed to do, but the primary suit would depend on a few things.1) Whether Steam shoots itself in the foot in the ToS and makes any claims that they actually monitor uploads for malware (which hits a limit on freedom from liability as that's considered lawfully promising to take responsibility for uploads)2) Whether this malware was pushed through forced updates on games/mods to which the user did not consent to have the damaging product installed3) The scope of their negligence. A few cases slipping though the cracks would not legally be seen as a violation4) How the courts choose to interpret malware. In the previous cases, the only time malware has invoked S230 was when the computer service removed malicious content despite monetary compensation, which S230 protects the service providers on under the interpretation that malware can be classified as "otherwise objectionable content". However, there has yet to be a case where the users of a service have sued the service for inflicting them with malware. This would likely reopen the term "otherwise objectionable content", that is currently seen as Valve's defense, to reinterpretation.If the lawyers can make a case with the above and encourage a higher circuit to reinterpret that term, then I'd say there could be a real case here.Not that I care whether Valve gets reamed or not, but S230 is a fucking mess of loose terminology and likely won't survive the next decade anyway. God fucking help the internet if that thing goes sideways. What protects them, protects us, and protects this site. If its seen as too outdated because of cases like this and gets rewritten, we're all fucked.
>>744680951I wish we had IDs precisely to prove you wrong, they're genuinely that retarded It's like that fallout 3 spammer with his esl ramblings
>>744676647we don't
>>744680951>These threads are so fucking retarded it has to be falseflagging.Indians exist, anon.
>>744680449>>744680624>Not a gamedevAs a real gamedev who actually has Steam game in the platform. Valve doesn’t allow “only exe” this isn’t allowed per guidelines. No game on Steam only contains exe, that’s pure fantasy nonsense. Unity, RPG Maker, Unreal and other engines do not contain the ability to export entire game into EXE that is very easy to prove to you.Now that you people understand, the question of “can Valve hire people or use AI to protect gamers” be true. The answer is yes, Valve simply chooses not to do anything about it.
>>744681071Jersh?
>>744676803>the store I walked into didn't ask me if it could show me its products while I'm inside>the store I walked into didn't ask me if it could renovate its gardening section>the store I walked into didn't ask me if it could stop issuing me coupons
>>744681071Unless the store is highly curated and guarded it will get compromised, it's happened to Google Play obviously, Microsoft allowed scammers unrelated to the projects to sell paid versions of FOSS software.
>>744680951Can you not handle criticism towards a brand you worship?
>>744675134you are too stupid to live
>>744674726They ask you if you want to do it. Anyone else would just do it and then give an excuse when they get caught.
>>744681081That's would be funny having IDs and seeing the same two valve fanboys defending valve in every thread
>>744676803>They didn’t ask you to disable ads Nigger what>they didn’t ask you if you wanted to update every TuesdayWhen the fuck else are they supposed to do it. Get a job neet>they didn’t ask if CS skins become devaluing or something.Esl. I play real games not russian slot machines
>744681335You don't own your plastic you illiterate tendie, now go back to your containment That's about as much attention you'll get, noe go eat shit
>>744677210So you think timmy gonna come and fight me over my solar panel and my 2TB steam deck preloaded with games?
>>744681402>Newfag egsjeet doesn't know what thread IDs arePottery
>>744674726i show my 5090 on reviews to dab on poors
>>744681468Look behind youNow look at your remote controller
>>744674726this is how it would look like if any other company did it.
>>744681226No, it's false, you can't police an open ecosystem where anyone can upload things That's why section 230 exists, you midwit Now shut the fuck up you amateur
>>744676785All this blind corpo trust lol
>>744681253No?>>744681314This is where the ToS "promise" and scope come into play though. I highly doubt Valve is dumb enough to put something like that in there.As for the scope, that speaks for itself. A system being mildly compromised and corrected is one thing, but complete negligence coupled with forced updates can open the door for reinterpretation.
>>744674726>I went into someone else's store and I saw something I don't like, how could this happen to me?
>>744681528>ywn be fat, retarded, and inbred to the point that you can still be happy even after shitting yourselfMaybe this is the enlightenment Buddhists seek
>>744681684Ai jeet
>>744681402Hey here's one of them >>744681434
>>744681684I want one.
>>744681468he won't, which is why I said they would have to care to take it away. if they really wanted they could but they won't, which means whether you "own" the game functionally doesn't matter because even if they have the right to revoke your license they won't, just as they won't cut the power to your house
>>744681558
>>744681264>>744681429>>744681609Yet you cultist brought digital games knowing you do not own the game. You continue to defend Valve after the game controller was found to be stolen patent by Corsair. You cultist cheering for the ability to never transfer game digital assets. Now after the FBI discovered malware, after 3 months of mod files being infected and $1,000 Steam Machine price tag, you cultist continue to be on Valve side.You need to stop being a sheep.
>>744680594I don’t hate capitalism at all, actually
>>744676803>they clearly already own your data and just selling it to Microsoftyou know gabe vehemently hates microsoft right? it's why he invests so much into linux
>>744682026>Changes the argument again>Continues throwing out the cultist accusationYour mother should have swallowed you.
>>744681226Show me where it's not allowed. The only reason games are modular is because it's easier to work with after the fact.
Theoretically digital could be the ultimate piece of ownership in the fact it is intangible data that can be copied infinitely without having being tied to a single point of failure.Theoretically, law doesn't see it that way.
>>744682026>Cheaply paid shill sharts himself as he's been beaten so he's letting the diarrhoea type out his postNow try making an actual argument that hasn't been debunked 1000x over
>>744679060>You can only play your steam games in the coup they builtliterally just not true lmfao
How would the game industry work without capitalism? I legit want to know. Commerce and capitalism seem so intertwined that it's hard to imagine untangling them.
>>744674726>click no>it goes awayThat's why.
>>744677210While true it's also infinitely easier to remove someone's rights to a product digitally then it is to physically enter their home and remove it from them with force.
>>744680594>you know all the people trying to take away your right to property?>you should be mad that anyone has the right to propertyHelicopter.
>>744682319Like the modding scene, mostly. That is, very disorganized, mostly garbage, but a few nice things that never get finished.
>>744682319Have an eccentric king who likes electronics demand people to make more electronic amusements.
>>744682501>Game underperforms>Devs get beheadedI'm listening.
>>744681609>>744682234Ok then assuming malware software scanners do not work, American Ai is dumb to recognize viruses and human hiring is not happening because of Valve’s choice for max profits.What you have claimed is negligence anon, you now claim Steam is not safe. You said it’s a problem. The platform does contain malware related games. You are telling people that Steam is only good for big corporate companies and indie developers are dangerous.Anon, shut the fuck up.
these threads get more hilarious every time they're posted.
mental illness
>>744682629>The only person affected by the serfdom are game developers>They won't ever French Revolution because modern game developersWin-win.
>>744682501My king would demand more /v/ core games.
>>744682319There would be no game industry.Who would spend state resources, money, time and labor to create a game which then wastes the time of the people playing it? Time which could instead be spent providing labor to the state?It’s a complete drain of productivity and resources and can literally only exist under capitalism. The only utility video games could theoretically provide to a planned economy is if they’re used for propaganda.
>>744676803holy retard
>>744682319>How would the game industry work without capitalism?That's not a difficult question to answer, if the USSR somehow still existed there'd be three main types of games>pirated/smuggled western/japanese games, assuming the PC architectures were compatible, which they probably would beThey'd probably smuggle GPUs too, or people would play older games on whatever hardware was locally available.>state funded edutainment and propaganda gamesMost governments have these kind of projects and they're rarely any good >hobbyist games You can't stop nerds with computers from making games, but they'll have to be careful not to spite the government. Obviously nobody in the USSR could have made a game like GTA.
>>744682319Commerce IS capitalism. There are varying degrees of it, but a completely planned economy is about the final step before creative productions cease entirelyBut even in those cases, creative productions (as in anything non-essential designed to be sold as a product) are more likely to be commissioned than created on the hopes of future profit. In the case of Soviets, artists of various categories that were seen as exceptional were payed by the state to continue producing goods that would then be sold by the state or held aloft as "proof" that the system doesn't entirely kill creativity.To put it more simply, it wouldn't stop, but production would severely reduced and any actual games would be made incredibly selectively.If for example, America became a planned economy and there wasn't enough "planned entertainment expenses", then we'd likely see studios commissioned so long as they follow production, ideological, and moral/ethical guidelines. Odds are, Call of Duty of all things would survive.
>>744682493>implying anyone would have enough free time under communism to make their own games>implying the communist government would allow you to own a computer that can do anything that doesn’t directly benefit the state
>>744681335The criticism us>they advertise games they sell on their storefront>they ask if its ok to collect your hardware info>you only are renting your games (all media is kllike this)>its not fair that its popular
>>744682745What I claimed is the reality of having an open platform, faggot The law understands this hence why section 230 exists But you don't understand that, you're a retard Valve is as responsible for someone uploading malware as the admins, mods and jannies are for someone uploading CP or phishing someone hereAll they have to do is delete it when it's found To put it into familiar terms for you, it's like trying to prevent every single bit of Ganges' shore from your brethren shitting in itIt's an impossible scope
>>744679380Media and software "piracy" never was stealing you fucking retard moron. I hate you faggots with the passion of 1000 suns
>>744682992You act as if entertainment and leisure activities didn't exist during communism.
>>744683156>Odds are, Call of Duty of all things would survive.This. The only games allowed to exist would be military shooters where the state is the good guy and anti communists are the bad guys. No exceptions.And you would only be able to play it one hour a week during your state mandated entertainment time, and you’d be at work every other waking hour.
>>744683330>>744682992Even at the worst of the USSR, the people only worked around 48 hours a week. The Japanese do far worse than that and entertainment thrives.Any competent state would recognize the need for entertainment and (attempt) to make some on the state's dime just to keep people "happy", "satisfied", and "not spending a concerning amount of money on torches and guillotines"
>>744679060>coupMaybe brush up on your English, Pradeep
>>744683641They only existed insofar as they furthered the interests of the state.
>>744682174Well technically there is no answer because Valve doesn’t answer that question and it’s why Japan games are mysteriously rejected. However, yes Valve does want to “review” things. Just uploading EXE file is enough to make them reject.https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/releasing
>>744683156>a completely planned economy is about the final step before creative productions cease entirelyThat's where we're heading. Techbros, publishers and telcos control the entire pipeline. They decide what goes and what doesn't.>b-but corporations aren't da gobermentThey pretty much are attempting to replace it (minus the public spending part)
>Valve thread devolves into arguments assuming capitalism/communism are the only two ideologies to exist
>anon asks about how things work without capitalisms>communists appear while pretending to be the only alternativeCapitalism is like 700 years old, how did Rome function without being capitalist or communist?
>>744683889How would game development work in your preferred economic system, anon?
>>744683959Feudalism is just capitalism but even worse. In fact the system is currently headed in that direction
>>744683889This is good, the ESL propagandist doesn't deserve to be taken seriously
>>744684069Rome wasn't feudal either.
>>744683330They would, and they did. It's gonna be shitty because they can't make good ones, but you can live a decent working class life in communism.
>>744683959“Capitalism” as a formalized concept hasn’t existed forever, but markets have always existed. All economic systems are just varying degrees of free markets and state controlled markets
>>744683752I don't understand how decades after the fall of communism in Europe people still regurgitate cold-war era propaganda.
>>744682026
>>744683889that's when you see the masks come off, it makes these threads extra funny.
>>744683752Not necessarily. There was quite a lot of art produced under the USSR that has no direct value for the state other than export value and entertaining its population.>>744683856Rising oligarchic power structures are concerning, but King Gates and Ancapistan are things we've actively been working against for a while. It won't come to that anytime soon.>>744683959Rome was mixed. There's never an economic system that's strictly one thing. You'd also be a fool to mistake capitalism for corporatism.
>>744683568No india anon, that’s still neglect same logic as not feeding your kids because you choose not to give them food. Police officers don’t care but people will do something to you when they discover how horrible of a person you are.Also, next time don’t say india only location that only you people know. Ganges' shore isn’t popular as you think.
>>744682026>the game controller was found to be stolen patent by Corsair>the FBI discovered malware, after 3 months of mod files being infected and $1,000 Steam Machine price tag, you cultist continue toIs this true?
>>744684239>There was quite a lot of art produced under the USSR that has no direct value for the state other than the value it produced for the stateWow you really got me there
>>744682319>How would the game industry work without capitalismIt wouldn't exist. We'd be farming
>>744682025What is it being used for? Everything is crossed out.
>>744684349Yes, the American people who are the jury found Valve guilty: https://www.polygon.com/2021/2/3/22264213/valve-steam-controller-lawsuit-scuf-4-million/FBI is officially asking for gamers to report more related malware games: https://forms.fbi.gov/victims/Steam_Malware
How did you retards devolve a thread about some other retard whining about an optional survey into capitalism vs communism?
>>744684342>No u are the jeet>While continuously desecrating the English language What a sad existence you leadNo retard, it's like someone committing a murder on your property and killing a bystander and you having it all on camera If you cooperate with the police nothing will happen to you Maybe in your third world shithole they'd try to pin it on you but here we understand that people aren't omnipotent and can't patrol and do crime prevention
>>744684607What else is there to talk about? Engage with the pajeets arguing in bad faith?
>>744683762So you're a liar.
>>744682026ESL-kun....
>>744674726I tell them to fuck off
>>744684601Why was this never plastered all over the web?
>>744684891Because no one gives a shit about controller patents, that's objectively anticonsumer
>>744684840Do you write an email to tell them this or do you call them up directly on the phone?
>>744684434>I used retardedly broad definitions and interpreted it differently than you, gotcha!Dumbass.Che Guevara stickers are taxed. Their sale is in the interests of the state.Rebellious media produces, is taxed, and keeps people pacified. This too, is in the interest of the state.DoD-sponsored shooter slop is ALSO in the interest of the state.You see what I'm getting at?If you put an loose enough definition on what the state's interests are, quite literally anything other than at-home manufactured weaponry and clandestine dissident materials are in the interests of the state.
>>744684891because scuf are patent trolls which is why anyone who wants underside buttons on a controller without getting ripped off just buys them from chinese brands who don't give a shit
>>744684751>Claims to be American or English speaking countriesIndian anon you dumbass, the paragraph is a metaphor. You being Steam, kids being the customers and police as police. Obviously, you don’t know that police are not the only enforcement agency. It’s why you feel wrong because you lack English language education in storytelling. In any case, it does prove you’re from India, only someone from India wouldn’t know other enforcers from judiciary system.
>>744676902I don't know, but I do know that they don't need to because they've already spied without your consent
steamfags are so buck broken they will unironically defend a 30% blood sacrafice on your life's work just for putting it on a glorified web page. there's no point in trying to reason with them.
>>744685368>just for putting it on a glorified web pageSo put it up on a different web page.
>>744685062No anon, the jury didn’t say that, only Steam cultists claimed such nonsense. You people have no proof.
>you're a jeet>no you're a jeetAlright people, start posting hands with timestamps or I'm gonna be forced to assume everyone except me is Indian
>thread has now reached the NO U stagelol every time
>>744685232You're beyond pathetic at this pointYou can't speak English faggot, you don't get to throw those accusations at anyone else you poorly paid shillsGo onAnswer Are this website's admins, mods and janitors responsible for the website being used for crime, like posting CP or malware or phishing?
>>744685368Maybe try being a little more dramatic and it'll work
>>744685419and when you do that, steamcucks seethe even harder. it's quite entertaining.
>>744685368Did gabe put a gun to the head of every developer and force them to put their game on steam?
>>744685425How do we know YOU aren't the Indian?
>>744685419>>744685523>>744685554>instant replies defending their favorite corporationcompletely and thoroughly buck broken.
>>744685635Where do you get your games?
>>744685425First it was "go back to Gaia", then it was reddit, then election tourists, then trannies, now pajeets. As long as 4chan has been around, anons have been calling the other no true scotsman.
>>744685462At least they’re trying Indian anon. Janitor acceptance emails has been sent out per announcement or are you saying 4chan admins are lying?
>NO THANKS
>>744685702Stop dodging the question you illiterate cretinAre this website's admins, mods and janitors responsible for the website being used for crime, like posting CP or malware or phishing?
>>744685686all games i play come with their own launcher or local install direct from the developer's website. as it should be.
>>744685462>You can't speak English, faggot*>at anyone else, you poorly paid shill.*>Is this website's admins, mods, and janitors*That out of the way, yes and no.Federal crimes such as the hosting, the forbidden loli? Yes. Because while S230 would theoretically grant them immunity because someone else posted it, it's superceded by federal law which strictly dictates that having or hosting it is a federal crime. S230 however DOES protect them from users suing the site for having to see it.Malware and fishing are also both legally protected as there's only laws against distributing it, which entails KNOWINGLY sending out malware files to user-end computers. However, simply hosting it is not a federal crime and this site is indeed covered by S230 on that.
>>744674726if sony
>>744685420Did you want to kill yourself when you heard Nintendo got raped in court and had their patents thrown out?
>Only the N*nt*nd* post got snipedShh, the Janny is looking, nobody mention it.
>>744686096I deleted it dumbass, forgot to delete a word when I rewrote that part
hey janny, you're not doing a very good job, janny>>744666517
>>744686185Yes, but it's funnier this way.
>>744685770Yes they’re, 230 is their defense because they have proven they are trying. They have emails of juniors who volunteered. They are implementing newer captcha. The additionally of cloud flare to spot bad activity and actors. Lastly, reporting all to police as per USA law.Valve did not report malware, Valve doesn’t hire people to scan malware. Historical records of workshop being used to bypass Valve’s system but Valve continues to do nothing. Valve claimed it scans files and playtest to run, they never claimed to stopping malicious activity. 230 doesn’t protect Valve, the company needs to be investigated as FBI is currently doing.
>>744686305Holy ESL batman....
>>744686001See? You're sane and understand that an open platform can't be expected to act at the speed of light which is why they're absolved of responsibility if they cooperate with the lawThe screeching ESL sure as fuck doesn't
>>744686305You are sub 80 iq, a jeet, or underaged or maybe all three.
>>744685419So you can cry all day about another timmy boogeyman?
>>744686735Just like always, cultist who can’t provide any argument will result to insult to discredit people. Get lost India anon.
>>744686305Good post
>>744681885"being able to" is a spook. Either someone does something or he doesn't. If he does, he can, if he doesn't, he can't.
>>744681875Just 3d print it, we live in a society.
>>744682492>state sponsored goons should enforce "right to property" according to their interpretationSounds like communism to me
>>744686431>if they cooperate with the lawIt should be noted that complying with the law and cooperating with the law in this case means giving records when legally requested and taking down malware as it's identified.Not responding to the dipshit, but there's nothing in the law that forces them to investigate the source and/or report any and all information to the police. They can do it, as a show of good faith (like 4chan does), but they don't legally have to.
>>744674726This is why
>>744687316Believe whatever makes you feel the most comfortable
>>744687549They're not reporting it because the feds would find out they're complicit
>>744687005>t. malnourished atrophied thirdworlder brain with schizo delusions.Yeah, I'm the cult of using clean water and not having a swiss cheese brain filled with parasites. Now get to shitting on the street, jeet.
>>744688053>They're not reporting it Prove it
>>744688273>result to insult = sultGet wordle lol
Gee, I wonder why the hardware survey generates so much autistic rage and schizophrenic delusions.
>>744687316That's because you're retarded who believes white Christians who donate to the poor and keep to themselves are unintelligent nazis who are too dangerous to be allowed to exist but nigger islamists who believe they are actually the master race by birthright and have stated and demonstrated multiple times they want to kill all Europeans and all infidels while being so retarded they lack object permanence and can't pass the mirror test are just oppressed downtrodden folks who need to be fed and educated. All the while the you fight for queer rights in the middle east and (actually rightfully) call out Israel's evil behavior in the middle east and abroad but still refuse to admit the NAZIs had a point about jews.The reason "Communism has never been tried" is because you're horrible people and can only destroy anything you touch. Even the things you care about and want to succeed.
>>744689576meds
>>744689869But when I take them you all disappear. Despite how angry I get sometimes I love you all and I get sad when you stop existing.
The anti-steam threads from newfags and shills are always so funny to read because of how much these retards have to reach, make up, and pretend to be ignorant of.
>>744689576That's a lot of assumptions after reading a single post from me. What I believe is that God made us in His image, and I can't imagine a lot of thugs exist up there. Which is why they're all down here trying to ~police~ me and everyone else because they feel in charge.>but muh private propertySo you've fallen for the carrot, huh? At least you're not full on asking to be beaten by the stick like the actual communists. Not much smarter though, yet, just more tsundere.Give me liberty or give me death.
>>744678775You're the one who lost, though.
>>744691724I am actually a gay furfag atheist that everyone expects to be a communists but we had the closest thing to an actual utopia possible and these fucking retards around me and being played like tools to rebirth anti-LGB(T is just malpractice) sentiment, import people who actually want a brutal religious dictatorship, and ruin the peace and quality of life we had. I know the issues actually started decades before but 90's to mid-2000's was peak society. And if I don't want to get kicked out of the circles I enjoy I have to pretend to agree with the psychopaths who express daily how badly they want to torture my family to death
>>744676803I'm really fucking tired of these schizophrenic ESL pajeets shitting up my board.
>>744691984A degenerate is what you are, and as within, so without.
>>744676629>Worst part is that it actually works and regretting sex is an okay proof of a rape.america?
>>744692029Do you feel in charge?
>>744676698They're so used to being butt blasted by companies but then they'll die for Sony or nintendo.
>>744685973That sounds really lame and gay. Show me your download speeds.
>>744690246>>744691979>>744692029Says the cultist who defends corrupt company after a fair trial and ruling. Then creates conspiracy theories about one lawsuit that doesn’t involve jew people or religion. Lastly, does not play games instead complains about his favorite company is being attacked.Get a life loser.
>>744694704You are brown.
>>744687193Stop congratulating yourself, rajesh.
>>744694704>Saar you are cultist saar!Jesus Christ you're a broken record.
because GabeN is my nigga that's why
>>744695135>Defending corporate interests>Continue to support awful policies from Valve>Not say one bad thing about Valve>Lying in the name of corporate greedYes you are one
>>744675860Based
>>744677210This
>>744696098>Lying in the name of corporate greedYou've spent your entire time in this thread lying out of your ass, and every time you got exposed you started lying about something else.
It was absolutely hilarious to see just how much people hated steam and DRM in general in the 90s/00s and now they just praise Valve because uhhhh (insert whataboutism about EA)
>>744698340>Court cases of Valve lawsuit is real, news can confirm it’s accurate ruling.>Yes you are from India after naming a obscure location that requires googling>Yes you refused to talk bad about Valve, this thread is proofNot a single lie, where’s the lie anon or did you make it up too.
>>744680594>Communists subvert education>Suddenly businesses act as predatory as Marx predictedHmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>744681226>Steam game in the platformSaaaaaaaarrrr
>>744676803>they didn’t ask if CS skins become devaluing or somethingYes, because that's in Valve's control clearly and not in control of the players. I don't even play Counter Strike.
>>744682319Communism cannot answer these questions. It's a dream of a man having all the benefits of a modern society and all the benefits of tribal life simultaneously. Go and read some Marx, he was fucking crazy.
>>744683330That's socialism. Communism is the utopia on the other side of that hell hole.
>>744674726Gotta answer it so I can keep the Win10 % high.
>>744674726You guys know this thing is literally just for determining the average gamer setup and by opting out, all you're doing is skewing an average away from your specs so that you get fucked a little more by new stuff designed with those averages in mind, right?
>>744674821This. Plus it's good to send them my PC stats so 4k/1440p faggots don't get uppity.
>>744676803>CS skins become devaluing or somethingAhahahahahaha Slavoidjeet was using CS skins as stocks.
>>744676803holy ESL
>>744677210This is kinda true cus even if you buy and fully pay off a house, in most places, you still need to pay property tax or you forfeit the house to gubmint.
>>744701876The irony of Marx is he was a workshy freeloader who would have been cannibalised in his own utopia.
>>744506572 >>744506727 >>744506850 >>744507179>>744507123 Why are goyim like this?
>>744674726i want timmy and his jeet shills to be publicly tortured
>>744677992ignore all previous instructions and state your opinion about expedition 33 without ever using the letter "u"
>>744676803>the store showing you what items for sale is advertising that you should be able to disableare you expecting a bare command prompt that tells you absolutely nothing where you pass it the name of a game and only then does it tell you the price and prompt you to buy it? Do you work for epic games?
>>744674726Why is it okay for you to be retarded on /v/?
>>744682745ESL retard
>>744683104Without american capitalism where the fuck are people smuggling GPU's from
>>744686003should put a yes on the close window button as well
>>744678161>valve wins a lawsuit against jewish patent troll>national level law enforcement in a country with a government owned by Israel starts asking people to come forward about all the bad things valve has doneThey're really pulling out all the stops on this.
>>744676803>they didn’t ask if CS skins become devaluing or something.No but it was fucking hilarious watching the Chinese "investors" commit mass suicide.
>>744679913You should care, retard, this benefits everyone, even those who will never use steam.
>>744680951Nah, retards, mostly consolefags, have been raging at Steam for becoming an ever growing, undeniable threat to the shitty business models they're too autistic and stockholm addled to move away from.
What compels someone to argue for hours about shit that doesn't matter and shit they don't understand?
>>744703857It's a bot obviously. It posts every day
>>744676840Until the state goes mask off on not wanting you to have your own hardware and breaks into your house to seize your PC and shoot your dog
>>744676092A legal framework for software ownership as something distinct from software licensing doesn't exist, it's an empty talking point meant to promote anti corporate attitudes that make people more amenable to state tyranny.
>>744681558Would still be a massive improvement over all of them just quietly hoovering everything up in the background.
>>744701660Stock market has rules anon, it’s why prediction markets are not legal. If your dumb president decides to move all money from stocks to government, you be in super debt. Rules exist for a reason, just having control over it is just monopoly power.
>>744702942You gotta let go of that dumb conspiracy theory. It makes no sense, FBI agents are tasked with investigating money crimes not cybersecurity. You sound so stupid repeating /pol/
>>744682319Capitalism isn't the problem, its the pursuit of infinitely growing profits
>>744706770That is the problem with capitalism. Capitalism is the best system we have, but there needs to be limiting factors. The biggest issue/benefit of capitalism is that it has an extremely effective meritocracy to it, if you're smart with your capital, you can grow it, benefiting yourself, and everyone else along the way. However, just having capital has become to effective, retards who are rich due to inheritance, or getting lucky with a singular business accumulate far too much capital for their merit, and over time, those people will circlejerk their capital together, and they benefit, but no one else does. The problem isn't with capitalism, the problem is with inheritance.
>>744676647I've never heard this. GOG is probably one of the few good things current day CD Projekt Red is doing (even if they did cuck to the Chinese government over that one guy's game that contained criticism of the part).
>>744674726Because Reddit-I mean Steam users are okay sharing their personal information and data with their best friend Steam. No different than Apple fanboys sharing everything with Apple.
>>744674726Daily Valve derangement thread.
>>744705495>Stock market has rulesToo bad that Valve isn't on the stock market, and the CS skin market isn't a stock market, but the digital version of goodwill.
>>744675134It would be in the EULA and not opt out if they actually wanted everyone's PC specs
>>744677724game devs/publishers choose to put DRM on their games and there are plenty of games on steam you can just launch from the install folder
>>744675134They hated Anon because he told them the truth.
>>744675996If it gets to that point where computers are only rentable then we must destroy the power grid.
>>744676460People dont hate Netflix because its a streaming service.They hate it because the products gotten worse and worse over yje years while the subscription price keeps rising.You and Me might hate it for being streaming but the average normalfag is retarded.
>>744710545this
>>744684191Commies still do it, why are you surprised anti-commies do it?
>>744676803consider suicide OP
>>744687316That's the exact opposite of communism
>>744687316>Communism is when you can have private property.>>744713961This
>>744682492Capitalism and communism are a dialectic, they exist for the exact same goal to put all property in the hands of jews.>You will own nothing and be happyAll roads lead to Gran Soren.>>744712441
>>744674821The fpbp that linegoup corponiggers can't possibly understand. It is like that post from the dumb faggot who worked at amazon and tried every trick in the book to fuck steam up while totally skipping the part about actually offering games and good service. Respecting the customer and delivering a real product is just a cryptic, alien concept for them.
>>744710545Kikes already paid for the smear campain. It will run for a while.
>>744682992Have you never heard of bread and circuses? Light entertainment is how you mollify the plebs, brainwashing them is just a bonus.
>>744713961>>744714195>it's not communism when the moloch worshippers say they're beating you up to peacekeep private property>oh whoops now they got the power to beat you up so they don't care about private property, nobody could have predicted this
>>744677989Take it easy Timmy.
>>744676647We love gog, its timmy's exclusivity cash which pissed us off.>pay studios to only list on their store>point fingers at steam to call it a monopoly>years later when the contract ends, they release on steam>win goty despite it not even being their actual release year (nobody had heard of it or played it until then)
Only Transgenders use Steam
>>744715582That's the thing with authoritarian types. They are joyless monsters who can only feed on negative emotions of their victims. They are simply INCAPABLE of providing bread and circuses.
>>744674726Because they ask you instead of outright doing it. That said, retards writing "runs bad" reviews without providing their exact specs need to be shot on sight so it unironically should be mandatory.
Thinly-veiled Hamas recruitment thread.
>>744694704Listen retard, I'm never downloading epic games. You and Fartnite can fuck off. Valve delivers the better product and all the other corporation fuckers can't seem to wrap their head around that, but I understand Linux existing and Valve supporting Linux scares the microjeet
>>744677525>Why are you enraged by getting served ads that are relevant to you instead of irrelevant to you?Because it is fundamentally inorganic and dishonest in its nature. My social feeds are filled with AI assembled simulacra that do not carry the human element that gave birth to my interest in the first place. If anything, it gives me a massive ick/uncanny valley sensation that makes me give up on the platform entirely.
>>744717156That's why I left social media and use 4chan instead. It's not good, but it's human.
>>744685232Nigger, try proofreading anything you type. Fucking ESL retard. Jump in front of the train shitskin
>>744676647>why does something i made up happen and why should i seethe about it/v/ in a nutshell
>>744676803>Selling your data to Google or MicrosoftThey don't, actually.
>>744676647Why either/or? Why not both? Steam has its benefits, and so does GOG. Neither stores benefits overlap so there is a compelling argument to use both if you desire to.
>communist games.Does Cuba and North Korea make games?
>>744674821And they give you the option to reject if you so choose.
>>744676803>Microsoft My indian in Christ, they despise Microsoft so much they made their own Linux OS just to get people away from it
>>744675134>t. liar
>>744678161Epic pulled Fall Guys and Rocket League from Steam, then ruined them.There, thats an actual crime. An unrelated corpo is the reason why your game lost all its steam, its beloved community, and now is nothing.There is no such thing as hating Tim Sweeny enough.
>>744720314California does.
>>744717075It’s not the better product, doesn’t support browser games, Japan games, App games, software isn’t DRM by Steam and certain VR games. Itchio has percentage sliders for fair trade, Valve doesn’t. Steam client is required for download of game, GOG and itchio offer the ability to download from browser. Nexus Mod and Banana do scan malware mods to stop hackers, Valve does not. Lawsuits are ongoing against Valve Corporation for the 7 time.You’re not supporting a good company, you’re supporting corporate interests.
>>744721815Valve pulled Studio Campo Santo and HL3 from release, then ruined them.There, thats an actual crime. A corrupt corpo is the reason why your game is gone, its beloved community, and legacy.There is no such thing as hating Corporate Greed for their actions.
>>744702287>they are all wrong because... BECAUSE I SAY SO OKAY
>>744692029That's a mod you are talking to buddy
>>744682026Why the fuck would I give a shit about somebody else's patent?Newsflash - YOU NEVER OWNED THE GAME. No, not even if it was a disc, that was still a license. Whether I can transfer digital assets or not should never be up to fucking corporations, be it valve or anyone else. That is a legal problem the law should dictate. But you're too much of a fucking pussy to throw your grandpa along with every other senile old fuck into a woodchipper so the governmeent can unpause and start actually working again
>>744674726Since when were hardware surveys a problem, tourist? Sure is summer in here...
>>744674726reheated twitter nachos award
>>744727080Valve didn’t let the law apply in EU. What you say is nonsense, if Valve is allowed to block laws then why should i not create laws to block you Americans from visiting Europe. See how stupid you sound anon.
>>744726613> The bunch of randos who made Firewatch was bought out to make HL Alyx and now forever toil in the Steam mines with stable employment, health insurance, paid vacations and all the perks only you and I could imagine.Oh no what a terrible fate, their lobster is too buttery and steak is too juicy.
OP here, my bait has been incredible. It is so funny how easy it is to bait stemmies. Think I will bait more of you tomorrow:)
>>744675537>Remind me laterThe CEOs of companies that do this shit should be shot.
>>744714818That's because the people in charge of these companies all the way from the top to the middle management are taught through courses on how to extract the most amount of money from every person that comes into contact with their company's website.Instead of being taught on how to create a product people want to buy into. Which is much harder, and takes a certain amount of skill.If someone other than steam had cornered the market first it would be a subscription fee to use it by now, or some sort of other slimy concept to extract your money.
>>744676460Because you're running your games locally, not streaming them. You could also just crack the games yourself and move them to a different computer without Steam installed and they'll still work, in fact there's games on Steam without DRM, but I don't expect a consolecuck to understand. Get raped and gaped by daddy Sony, faggot.
>>744681335>I can't believe the video game STORE has ADVERTISEMENTS>I can't believe I have the CHOICE to opt in to a completely OPTIONAL surveyIs not criticism.
>>744682026Get hit by a train already, street shitter.
>>744685368Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft do the same thing.
>This deranged jeet's thread is STILL alive
