How do I get into SMT. I can emulate but I'm not going to bother with HV cracks to play V.
Buy VV on steam, it comes with all the DLC iirc, if not just creampie it, play SJ and 4 duology on emu, skip everything else.
>>744679646>I'm not going to bother with HV cracks to play V.SMTVV got a demo bypass long before it got an HV.The same goes for Metaphor. P3P and the Raidou 1 remaster.
>>744679889>P3RFtfm.Also>How do I get into SMT.Play SMT3, SMT4, SMT4A and then SMT5V.If you're fine with older JRPGs, there's the PS1 version of SMT1, the SNES version of If... and soon enough the PS1 version of SMT2 will be translated too (https://github.com/Roman215/smt2-psx-translation/releases/latest).
>>744679646Just pirate the Nocturne Remaster.It has a genuine crack, not HV.
I just fought Mot and he was kind of a pushover. I only even had one demon with Ziodyne and was just passing turns to him and Daisoujou after getting buffs up. He only did the beast eye into beast eye meme to me once, but even with that he would need to do like 3 megidolaons in a row to even kill one demon with max rakukaja up. Did they change his behavior in the HD remaster or did I just get lucky?
>>744679874It doesn't come with "all" the DLC because they added two new demons and you can pay to make Mitamas spawn more often. I pirated the DLC but got blocked by an update; pretty sure you can fix it by just downloading the files from CsRinRu instead of using the creamapi software.
>>744681176I must have just bought it without caring then. I know I did the cs download and creampie for time stranger, which has denuvo so that method probably works anywhere.
>>744681347I think the main issue is that CreamAPI also gets you a DLC item that got delisted, so if the game updates, it will get confused because you have it/don't have it. I'd just save myself the trouble and go straight to csrinru.
>>744679646smt fans are faggots now damn. just emu nocturne on the ps2 or sj on ds and then play whatever if you like those the series is mostly good to great. if you're a persona faggot then stick to smt4/4a/VV and maybe redux. don't play anything else
>>744680941i think a bit of both. also were you on hard?
>>744680463You can play every SMT for free. Probably even Soul Hackers 2 if you care enough for that.
>>744682305Nah normal. I already have to grind a bit to get the last Magatamas, screw this bullshit
>>744681695this
>>744679646You should probably start with 3 or 5, but I'll throw in a dark horse suggestion and say Digital Devil Saga.
Do not start with Nocturne. Very likely you'll end up disliking the series.Nocturne is nothing but a massive grindfest with an insane random encounter rate.
>>744684747I don't play Nocturne but the way they shittalk SMT4 is not a good sign
>>744683384yeah but with hd you can just switch the difficulty. nothing wrong with normal but don't make excuses kek. nocturne is fine on normal if you've played other smt games but it can be rough if it's one of your first. i would say the only part i'd still struggle with is the amala temple.
>>744684747the only point you need to grind on normal is if you're going for 100% (even less so with the DLC) and maybe before the matador fight if you suck at fusing.
>>744679646V you either pirate the switch version (don't bother V sucks) or just pay for it I honestly don't know if VV is on the switch
play kyuuyaku megami tensei until you get bored. then play through nocturne, then play 5 (get it on sale)
>>744679646Release order. If the NES/SNES jank is too much for you (pleb) skip them and go to 3 then release order on the mainline games. Someon post the flow chart
>>744684196DDS fucking sucks. It takes away the best part of SMT and makes it shitty family drama JRPG
>>744679874>putting denuvo on your pc in current year lotta drones around here
>>744683384>MOT was easy>Playing on normal BTWThat will do it. Normal is piss easy>But muh pric-Cheat engine
>>744686298Meh it's kind of annoying to have to change diff. It's been easy enough that I've game overed way fewer times than 4 (though 4 is mostly just difficult at the start)
>>744686682>KMTLiterally worse than MT. KMT removes all the SOUL
>>744686881>V fags are retardedWoah
>>744679646play nocturne. not the demaster with cringe voices and already outdated 2010s meme slang
>>744681695>smt fans are faggots now damnV did irreparable damage to the series
Strange Journey is a great start if you're ok with grid based dungeon crawling. Otherwise, try 4 or one of the spin offs like Devil Survivor, or just go the casual route and play Persona.
>>7446869433 HD is extremely unbalanced in the players favor. Having optimal demon inheritance every time is broken by itself let alone a ton of the AI changes in the player favor
>>744686943well nocturne on hard is one of the harder smt experiences out there. though most would just say it's bullshit difficulty at least at the start. >>744687273is right though skill inheritance changes a lot
>>744679646emulate nocturne and come back when you beat it. play raidou after because it's cool
>>744686881I couldn't care less about DRM and it has absolutely 0 negative affects on me personally. Go virtue signal elsewhere fag, no one cares about you screeching about how you didn't buy.
>>744687461>it has absolutely 0 negative affects on me personallyliar. At best it has "negligible" negative affects#savetheprocessingcycles
why are people in here often poorfags
I never played any smt games before will it be confusing if I play 4a first? it's the only one with cute human girls. how do the games even work though? do you have a party of human characters like other rpgs or is it just you and your demons like pokemon and the human characters are just story npcs?
>>744679646start with either 3 or 5. do not listen to the retards who tells you to start with SJ and 4, that shit is gonna overwhelm you in your first playthrough.
>>744679646with the first game using emulator
>>7446796464a. Kill your friends and god. I found 3 and sj to be meh. I got bored of V and stopped playing. 4a was the only one that kept me interested enough to beat. Dont let the minotaur or whatever the first boss chase you away from 4. It becomes easier after you beat him.
>>744679874Ignore this retard. At least try 1 and 2. PS1 version of 1. 2 SNES, wish the ps1 version was translated. You are not a fan if you dismiss 3 so try that too. You can emulate that on a Switch emulator. Play SJ on DS rather than 3DS. 4 3DS, and 4A 3DS so Citra. VV on Steam. You should also play Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 plus the Raidou games.
>>744679874playing IV in 2d doesnt make sensethe games are unironically built for the 3d effect
V is bad because it's gay.
>>744679646Start with whatever. Most of the games are great but SMT fans are miserable.
>>744689627>the games are unironically built for the 3d effectLOL. Run it on Azahar, you miss absolutely nothing other than seeing your fat face when the screen turns black on your 3DS screen.
>>744690112this nigga doesnt even know enough about shaders to appreciate the unique backgrounds for each boss in apocalypse
>>744688863>if I play 4a firstconsidering it takes place during the ending of 4... yeah probably. One of the extremely few SMT games that isn't stand alone >>744690112wrong but it isn't worth buying a 3ds for it
>>744679646you can basically just play whatever looks the most interesting to you, though if you want to play classic playing 1 and 2 in order is ideal because they are directly tied to each other. 3 is a good intro to press turn, 1 is a good intro to the blobber style of SMT, so is SJ. SMTVV has some of the best combat but has the most boring overworld navigation and a pretty bad plot overall.
>>744680072oh sweet I didn't know people started working on SMT2 PS2. I just did my first run of the SNES original like a year ago, would've loved to have the QoL that the SMT1 PS1 had like better map marking and shop UI.
>>744680941the mot meme video I'm thinking of was taken by someone doing a low level build on hard, so even just a small amount of beast eye spam could kill the guy. >>744683384yeah the like, singular benefit to Nocturne HD is that you can toggle difficulties on the fly I've been told so you can just slap on normal before walking into a shop.
>>744686449it is, I emulated it on my PC because I had paid for V vanilla on my actual switch and I refuse to buy atlus games twice. I haven't played Metaphor yet because I'm convinced we will see a second revision of that game, atlus won't ever get me again.
>>744679646Buy a cheap steam key of VVThat's what I did after getting the urge to play it but missing the last sale
>>744679646>not going to bother with HV cracks to play V>V>hypervisorngmi
>>744689023SJ is absolutely not going to overwhelm anyone unless they are a brainlet. 4 is fine other than the start being pretty rough just save after every fight
>>744689667V is good because it's gay.
>>744689583>Suggesting DDS over DeSuPleb
>>744690560Nah just pirate the switch version. Or better yet don't start the series with the newest fucking game
>>744684747>Do not start with Nocturne.I fucked up, started with Nocturne, and just opened the underground door in the sewer. I hate this random encounter rate. I feel like I'm playing wizardry 8. Which version is better to start with?
>>744698673SJ or the oldest possible game you can tolerate
>>744698673SMT 4 is a good starting point, older SMT games have even crazier encounter rates than Nocturne
>>744698914As someone who started when IV came out then started with MT going forward it's a decent starting point story/atmosphere wise
nuclear take: metaphor is the best way to get into SMT gameplay. It has SMT press turn but isn't as unforgiving as mainline SMT but also isn't as braindead as persona. It also has combo skills like DDS, adding a bit more depthalso no fucking random encounters cause you'll just end up like >>744698673 if you start with nocturne
>>744694154He asked about playing a game, not optimal form on dragging his balls through jagged glass.
>>744704506I legitimately don't get the le DeSu so hard meme. It really isn't that bad
>>744704560DDS fags are casual secondaries. Notice they screech about the game without a difficulty options because they can't play baby mode. >But baldrYeah every game has at least one extremely poorly designed fight and that's DeSus
Everyone in this thread is a retard except this guy >>744687143Buy a PS2 slim and nocturne off ebay. Lock yourself in a dark room and play the game. Don't listen to anybody else's opinions on the matter until you finish.
>>744704708The entire 7th day is akin to water boarding. Metatron isn't so bad for the 8th, but the boss gauntlet can get raped by Satan.
>>744705232That's just a sign your builds suck. Grind a couple level in shame and dance the pain away
>>744687183Devil Survivor has to be one of the worst to start with. I'm something of a Megaten and FE veteran and Wendigo totally raped my ass.
>>744705702FE is kinda irrelevant and wendigo is a pretty big spike to make sure you are paying attention and buying/fusing demons
>>7446938734 is fucking dogshit for a first timer. go fuck yourself. i've seen plenty people drop SMT alltogether because of 4's dogshit.
>>744706553I could say the same about literally any SMT game. Each entry has something that's shit for newcomers >Everything before 3Antiquated and obtuse>3Either too easy (HD) or too hard (original hard) with high encounter rate. No save anywhere filteres a ton of people>SJSector E is infamous for filtering people>4Absolutely horrific first couple of hours until you hit the map screen then you have to navigate it>4aPlaying 4a before 4 is retarded considering it takes place during it >5Oh boy V... I have very little nice things to say about V>DDSBig standard dogshit family drama JRPG that takes away THE core feature of SMT in favor of on the rails JRPG characters >DeSuRead the thread>The other DeSuOnly paper translated so lol>Soul hackersAntiquated dungeon crawling will filter people >RaidouHas extremely little to do with mainline and nothing in common mechanically>Purse ownerCome on now
>>744706846>Oh boy V... I have very little nice things to say about Vmore like you have nothing to say because it's the most straight forward and user friendly game with tons of QOL SMT up to date. go fuck yourself.
>>744706934V fucking sucks and is watered down boring shit. I have no comment on VV since I disliked V I have no desire to play a rerelease of it.
>>744707056>secondary piece of shit wants everyone to hear his opinionfuck off
>>744707231>secondaryI guarantee I have played more MT games than you. I have play ever game with at least a paper translated except for VV and ronde
>>744707296>I have playMan it's late. I should sleep instead of arguing with brain dead V fags who somehow think DS games are too hard for newbies
>>744706934>it's good because it's casualloooooooooooooooooool>on a franchise where the appeal is being less casual
>>744707557>you dont get it, bro. the RNG and dogshit map is part of the experience!!!you niggers are so braindead, it's crazy.
>>744707716It's called the Dark Souls of Persona, bruv. If I wanted an ez Persona experience, I'd play that.
>>744707716>dogshit mapI legitimately thought you were talking about V for a minute and wasn't going to reply because yeah Vs map fucking sucks yeah. Big open boring as fuck playspace
>>744707840>unironically implying the map in iv is betterkek. you guys really are braindead.
>>744706846I thought you were serious until I saw what you wrote for DDS. You do know all of SMT can be boil down to "family drama" right? Serph, Sera & Heat annoyed you but when it Lucifer whining about God or the Archangels whining on God's behalf it is completely fine? Sorry but it a lot easier to assume you are baiting/trolling than to think your taste is so shit. If you only wrote removal of core feature I would had given you it as that is at least a justified reason to dislike the game. I know you were just trying to make a point to the other anon but your logic is so fucking shit you lost all creditability trying to make it in the progress.
>>744707932I just really hate DDS characters man. The "traditional" jrpg style didn't work for me and the character moments were 5* longer than any other game in the series so it stood out more
>>744708018This. In any other Megaten game characters show up say who they are then fuck off. In Digital Devil Saga they don't because it has way more focus on the story and characters so it either works for you or it doesn't
I'm gonna say it... DDS soundtrack sucks. I dont care if it's the composers favorite that he worked on
>>744706934>dampener spam>invisible walls>ue generated empty mapV tranny melty
>>744708638>still defending IVinbred post
>>744708695>inbred postI'm not a sandnigger, but you're defending a "game" that doesn't even let you fuse until you watch some gay ass cutscene.
>>744708757>you're defending a "game" that doesn't even let you fuse until you watch some gay ass cutscene.what the fuck is this complaint? are you actually special needs?
>>744708875No you're actually mentally retarded because you are the V target audience, a stupid tranny that needs xis hand held instead of the game just letting you play. Only a retard would think that making a game where you can get demons in stock, but you can't fuse because you didn't go from point A to point B to trigger a cutscene is actually good game design.
>>744679646Just buy VV and enjoy it anon
>>744709016>I HAVE TO WATCH A CUTSCENE BEFORE I CAN FUSE AYEEEEEEthis is the funniest shit i've read all day.
>>744709163Also in what world is spamming dampeners considered good gameplay?
>>744709016I'm literally the biggest V hater on this board but that's a fucking retarded complaint. V isa barren gay poorly balanced mess. So III without the charm good cinematography and art style
I’m still mad Atlus figured out how to port 3DS games to PC but didn’t do it for SMTIV and Strange Journey
>>744709224>I'm literally the biggest V hater on this board but that's a fucking retarded complaint.Why? You can fuse in V from the get go and in nocturne it's location locked. In V you fuse at the waypoints, but for some reason you can't fuse at those same waypoints until you trigger a cutscene?
>>744709246Why do you need ports when emulation for the DS has existed for longer than the average V fag has been alive?
>>744709317>You can fuse in IV from the get go and in nocturne it's location locked.*ftfm
>>744709317It's a hand holdy decision to ease players into mechanics that has no bearing on the actual game. V has a fuck ton of actual complains there is no reason to nitpick such a non issue
>>744709423>you can't just fuse because...you just can't OKAY!?!?!? (and that's a good thing!)Games suck now because they're made for retarded niggers such as yourself.
So, I started playing SMT VV and took the path of Vengance, is this a good idea?
>>744709547Can you read? Yes the game sucks I fucking hate V. Yes it's made for retarded and easing people into mechanics is a symptom of the game being shit not the reason itself of why it's shit.
>>744709547ivtrannies are mentally ill. lmfao.
>>744709552Yes
>>744709552You're good. The only reason I would start with CoC is if you plan to play both routes no matter what. The new route has more content and a better feel overall but you won't really appreciate the story playing CoV before CoC. But there are also people who go into every smt not giving one shit about the story and you might be one of those people.
>>744709624>shitty game design isn't one of the reasons why a game is considered shit>>744709664>no you're a trannyGo shove a dampener up your own ass, faggot.
i played a lot of the games but i only managed to beat 4, with a guide.
>>744709686>>744709747So, in terms of story, i'm not missing much?
>>744709889Only if you care about themes and some story bites that are unexplained in CoV.
>>744709920I see
>>744709889You miss a bit, but it's nothing overly major and you'd miss much more if you only played the original route. I mean ideally you would play both, but if you only play one play the new one.
>>744709889If you are already dedicating yourself to play a long as fuck jarpig then I don't see why it matters if you do 60 hours or 100 hours. Which is why the "play cov only" advice is dumb because you aren't going to appreciate all the changes if you do cov first
>>744711524no one cares
>>744711689I care.
>>744711689wow good rebuttal faggotas expected from jarpig fans, maybe go back to discussing how cars are bad is actually really deep and thought provoking
>>744712165>which is the best of these apples?>i don't like apples dude why does it matter if you eat that apple i dont like apples
I started with Nocturne and didn't mean to drop it but I got filtered after Matador then I moved and haven't played since then
>>744679646>but I'm not going to bother with HV cracks to play V.V - Vengeance is playable on Switch emulators. Won't run as well as the PC version, but its decent.
>>744709246Atlus never ported a 3DS game afaik.
>>744679646SMT 4 if you are someone who likes story, some newcommers have a tendency to quit during the intro the game. I don’t know why, I really like it and I don’t think it’s that bad in terms of being punishing, but it’s probably a guarantee that you like it past Minotaur/Medusa SMT 3 if you like story, themes and world too but you are ok with playing a quieter game with long stretches of dungeon crawling where the story isn’t so in your face SMT 5 is weakest story wise, but if it looks like it appeals to you after watching some reviews on it etc. play it
>>744714026V has more story and themes than 3, unironically. Far more world building too.
>>744679646SMTV is £10 on Loaded
i played nocturne's hardtype mod before emulating the unmodded game and i regret it
>>744714170Cheaper elsewhere.https://gg.deals/game/shin-megami-tensei-v-vengeance/
>>7447141185 is diaper baby's first SMT>bad story>weak themes>combat is easy>world map is empty collectathon ubislop >boring characters
>>744714209Now you can play Insaniax anon.
>>744714254>bad story>weak themes>boring charactersBecause you're a brainlet
>Played Soul Hackers, 4 + 4a, SMT5, DDS 1-2, Persona 3-5, TMS and Metaphor I'm thinking Devil Survivor or Persona 2 next.
>>744714350>vengeancenon-canon. if it was meant to be part of the game, it should have been in the original switch release
>>744714573C O P E
>>744679646Start with 3. Don't start with 5, its MC is a homoerotic twink fruitcake.
>>744679646Just play any of them, it's not that complicated. Even the very first game on SNES is a hoot (sometimes)
>>744679646Nothing will peak SJ. Perfect mix of retro/modern.
>>7446896273D effect is a meme. I turn it on once in a while, goes WOAH THREE DEE ANIME CUTSCENES, and then turn it off.
>>744679646>>744679874VV is side questy overworld goyslop. Nocturne is the one you want.
>>744716563>MC is a homoerotic twink fruitcake.>eroticat least you admit it
>>744679646how do I play videogames?
>>744680072Whats the difference between PS1 and other versions?
>>744714218>Cheaper elsewhere>Click link>More than 10Why are V shills so retarded?
>>744679646Am I really close to the end after the second visit to yoyogi park? It feels like I started the game yesterday. Also the balancing is all wonky. Demolished the riders only to now have the pale rider guard the hallway in Asuka leading to the collector, and when I tried fighting him debilitate raped me so I restarted the game to brute force and pass through without fighting him. Then I went to yoyogi. That's where I fought elephant fatso and the weird manikin, who both died in an instant. Didn't find mother harlot.
>>744703743barely ever see any talk of metaphor around. is it really that forgettable?
>>744720690There's still a few dungeons and story battles left. You're more like at the end of the second act.
>>744714209Hardtype is just not fun, retard balancing of just giving everything like 4x-10x more hp does not make the game harder it's just pure tediumTrash mobs in endgame areas have like 4k hp which is more than many bosses in vanillaIf you want to have good experience you'll spend more time in the fusion menu than actually playing the gameWhat a gigantic waste of time that shit mod was
MAZIONGA!
>>744720751It's really good but it was memed as a culture war game even though it's not and it doesn't have romance options to prop it up like Persona, that's mainly why it's not talked about. Personally I wouldn't put it above SMT VV but at the very least it's on par with the Nu Persona trilogy.
>>744720824And if I'm intending to do the labyrinth of Amala ending, at some point there will be a moon tower and there I'm supposed to not enter it and do all the Amala stuff first right?
How much magatsuhi do I have to gather and offer to fatlus for a remaster/remake of IV.It is the only press turn game that could really benefit for it.
>>744705702DeSu was the first megaten game I played and I thought it was fine.
>>744706846>paper translatedWhat translated?
>>744720938Yeah, entering the final dungeon locks the bottom floor of Amala. You'll know when it's time, basically all the allignment heads will power up to their final form and go mwahaha time to go create the world
>>744721968Paper translated means everything is translated and documented but not hacked into the game yet
>>744720751It's basically an improved persona 5 with an actual combat system (press turn) but typical purse owner faggots don't care about that as they blow through the game on easy so they can romance high schoolers (which metaphor doesn't have)the theme is centered around fiction and has very vague utopian "anybody should do what they want" themes. which is fine but again, it's a far cry from the typical atlus audience now who just want anime tropes and beach scenes so people don't talk about it
>>744722047Oh he meant Devil Summoner with the other DeSu.
>>744679874>if not just creampie itwhat could this strange lingo possibly mean?
>>744720751Metaphor is really good but there's no romance, therefore no waifuwars, therefore no /v/ discussion It's also properly hard when you play on hardmode, unlike P3R merciless
>>7446888634a is a direct sequel to 4 so yes And if you're only playing it for the girls just go play Persona or something, this series isn't for you
>>7446890234 was my first one back in 2013 and besides the garbage map I didn't have any problems with it
>>744722140Yeah
>>744722146cream api is a way to unlock dlc for free.
>>744722506That guy was just a V fag sperging about literally every other game in the series being shit
>>744720872underrated post
>>744722537If you are going to pirate dlc you might as well just pirate the entire game
>*Makes you reload your savestate because his cutscene after you die (where he asks for money/streetpass points for a revive) is unnecessarily long*
>>744722596People disagree and that's why creamapi exists.
>>744722537Thank you for this arcane knowledge.t. retard consolefaggot
>>744722596It's mostly a thing people do for games that have Steam workshop... which SMT 5 doesn't so what's the point
>>744722628Take your ADHD meds.
>>744722058There was a bunny politician though, should've let you romance that
>>744720898>>744722058What makes it good? Does it have exploration like the ps2 games / V or is it grid based? I've liked the ones I played but they're pretty different apart from press turn.I was under the impression it had a troubled development but then this is atlus that always does re-releases so no idea what that really caused.Except that some people were really upset about old promo art not being what was sold.
>>744679646Start with 1. Kino aesthetics and music that make dungeon crawling fun, the combat is a bit too simple and easy, but if it's your first game in the series it should still be fun enough.
>>744722752Combat wise 1 and 2 are somewhat easy but the point was that the dungeon crawling would cause attrition and risk rather than most combat encounters.If you emulate/use savestates most of that is gone so use these tools with caution.
>>744722860>dungeon crawling would cause attrition and riskUntill you get ailment bullet.Once you get ailment bullets you stunlock every encounter to death with autobattle
>>744722746honestly, V has a better exploration sandbox. 1-4 is the usual. Good smts. So metaphor leaves...not much, in comparison. a plot or something. is just your average 1p shovelware. There are cool dungeon maps, though it works with "you can run past your enemies" V system (without all the exploration/demons/sandbox).
>>744722697It is legitimately faster to press home>close>launch to get back to the title screen than go through his cutscene
>>744722940It's severely nerfed in 2 but still OP so that says a lot about how much it breaks SMT1.I only played both recently and really like their vibes, but god forbid any fucking remake that would add current-day anime trends to them.
>>744722746It's structured similar to Persona where you're on a calendar, but with a bigger emphasis on dungeon crawling through 3D dungeons. They're all custom made but a lot of the side dungeons reuse tilesets and look rather drab (they still have pretty cool themes and gimmicks tho). It feels like a PS2 RPG in a good way. In terms of troubled development the only thing really wrong with it is that it's basically short a dungeon. There was one more major story dungeon before the endgame that got cut, and it makes that arc feel rather lopsided/rushed (usually there's a major and minor dungeon in each region, here you do the minor dungeon then head straight for the boss). But the rest of the game is rock solid.
>>744722940>Ambush>They go firstAlso stun/charm bullets are good but they aren't a silver bullet (heh). You are still going to get worn down in the long dungeons especially the cathedral
>>744723025I booted up Metaphor expecting a little bit of a new thing compared to other Fatlus games but the moment they had a fucking persona calendar and social links it's when I quit.And I don't even hate Persona. It's just... why? Why do you need that here? I don't care if it's way more lenient when it comes to deadlines, I just don't want calendars and slinks yet again. I'll wait for P6 and get them there.
>>744723094I am still waiting for DEEP metaphor royal fes golden apocalypse revengeance maniax edition featurimg bayonetta from the bayonetta series.
>>744723140>Why did the persona team make another persona game (their most popular series)Truly is a mystery
>>744722746Again, it's pretty much persona 5. You have towns as hubs you can freely travel through and a day/night system with time management. There's a lot more actual gameplay with mini dungeons and main dungeons but actual exploration SMTVV does better. The gameplay is good however and properly balanced on hard. The game also has its own version of a job system but eventually you'll railroad them into certain roles, it's still there to fuck around with though if you wantit just does a lot of little things right which is refreshing
>>744723309You and half the potential sales this game could have.>>744723321That is the kind of shit that marketing people shove down devs throats and hurt the final product.
>>744723025>honestly, V has a better exploration sandboxAbsolutely scathing review. Shall be skippin
>>744723309On the one hand there's definitely room to add it, on the other hand Atlusn did say they were moving away from that model. VV notwithstanding but that may have just been a case where they started work on the expansion before they made that descion
Why does the conbat in IV:A feel so much better than IV when it still doesn't have a vit stat?
>>744679646its trash. gay scuffed japanese low budget garbage. always was always will be
>>744723634The damage values were adjusted to a point game doesn't feel as one sided, agi in 4 may do 100 damage against weakness even early on, in 4A you'd need agilao to do that. The game is just slower paced and feels much better that way.
>>744720898>>744722058>>744722276cheers, sounds like I'll be giving it a shot then.
Just started dds last night, I love the intro (had been listening to the opening song for a decade) and I'm surprised by how gentle the game is. The entire first dungeon really eases you in unlike nocturne potentially killing you with the first preta. My main question is, are any of the stats useless/borderline useless like in nocturne? Like how luck does almost nothing and agility does nothing except at specific thresholds?
>>744679646>buy the games>play themCongrats, you're now into SMT.
>>744717160This but unironically
>>744679646play 3 first, it's the peakest jrpgs kino japan ever made. at first it will feel oppressive and punishing, random mobs might spam you with death spell and cause you to rage quit, bosses will filter you in the beginning and later on (the key is to think strategically and adapt), some dungeon areas feel like a bunch of same looking rooms in a labyrinth, it's easy to get lost until you get used to it. also use FAQs and guides on how to unlock TDE ending, how to farm money, find all magatamas (you'll need 25 str for gaea) and optimize your strategy, you should absolutely go for it. if you manage all that you'll be rewarded by incredible vidya experience you will never forget.
>>7447300633 isn't nearly as hard as people jerk off. 4 is unironcially much harder unless your guide fagging>>744727939>BuyKek
>>744723634IV isn't balanced to a quite frankly unacceptable level. The game seems to be mostly using place holder values, there's no thought to anything. IVA uses IV's framework but there is intention behind the design, encounters have values that make it feel like a human worked on them
>>744730415>3 isn't nearly as hardit is if it's your first smt game. as someone who played only FF and dragon quest it took me some time to learn what spells do because instead of cure, ice, fire, atk buff you have stuff like dia, bufu, agi, tarukaja... there's also the fusion system and demons having unique set of tools which is another steep learning experience. it's not easy to just jump into the smt game for the uninitiated. 4 was a cakewalk for me, in fact it became so boring later on I had to quit.
>>744730063>you'll be rewarded by incredible vidya experienceAfter trying to get into it multiple times and endlessly grinding I don't see how the game's cheap and boring endless battles, and zero plot, could in any way be rewarding. The entire game is literally trying to hope RNG doesn't kill you. No story, no characters, no fun, no nothing.
>>744722596I'm the anon who said to creamapi tp begin with, people generally do it for DLC that are bad monetization practices but they want to still support the game idea. Like I mentioned earlier I bought digimon story time stranger, but I cream apid the 30$ worth of outfits that should have come with the game to begin with.
>>744728367I wasn't being ironic, shithead.
>>744730951>zero plotthis is bait.
>>7447309513 fags started with it so that's their only real point of reference. The horse shit stats and requiring a fuck load of grinding to get TDE are a massive black mark against the game
>>744730847>4 was a cakewalk for meWere you playing on war? Even outside the opening you can get bent sideways by a ton of shit
>>744731206>grindingyou got filtered, pleb. it's a you problem.
>>744731206You can always tell by how hard they jerk it off. 3 is legit nothing special and even setting the shitty color palette aside, the game is mediocre at best.
>>744730063>>744730415Yeah Nocturne is hard enough to make you think and choose your actions deliberately rather than spamming the same shit, but I didn't actually have trouble with it. The best piece of advice I could possibly give anyone is use your buffs and debuffs. They make the world go round in Nocturne.
>>744731659Oh and I meant to add that it's absolute kino. Very few games have sheer vibes as powerful as Nocturne. Soundtrack is 10/10.
>>744731461Hey man how do you plan on getting enough cash to buy megatamas without grinding? Oh you can't? Ah which means you have too... Oh that's right grind
>>744731206didn't they all start with 3 beacuse it came out a decade before any previous games got english?
>>744731617It's above average and my 3rd favorite mainline game after 1 and SJ but... Yeah it be like that
>>744731261don't remember which diff it was, my point was that with preexisting knowlege later games become easier even if they might be objectively harded. reasons why I quit smt 4 was 3DS cheap presentation, it lacked in atmosphere and tokyo map was dreadful to explore. persona Q was much more enjoyable.
>>744731895More or less. 3 was the first official English release other than Jack Bros for virtual boy
>>744731935>it lacked in atmosphere Hard disagree>tokyo map was dreadful to exploreYeah it's definitely a test of patience figuring out rail lines and how the fuck you get where>PQOh your trolling me
>>744731832https://youtu.be/5kH_6I9ydpg?t=206
>>744732116this is still grinding you know
>>744732434no, this is you having ADHD.
>>744732434I also didn't know it existed despite being an smtg regular since it's creation till about 6 years ago. Wonder if this is a newer discovery
It's even funnier when people link youtube videos of low level runs to prove no grinding theory except they don't understand that runner has rerolled fusion skills a million times or farmed items using talk skills. But somehow neither counts as grinding.
>>744689583I could suggest Nocturne first before going into the classics SMT I and II, because the archaic gameplay really aged badly in comparison.>SJ in DS rather than Redux in 3DSMy absolute nigga>>744694154Don't be such a sperg, he never said that. That being said, i agree with giving Devil Survivor 1 a chance later, although it plays slightly different to the base games
>>744732505>Wonder if this is a newer discoveryIt's certainly not it's just majority of players ignore macca tunnels, even the one leading to 2nd kalpa makes decent money and you can access it right after beating matador.
>>744732614>he never said thatThat's the point. He suggested DDS without suggesting DeSu
>>744705368I built Phys, focused on Str/Agi. The problem was solved by just making everyone immune to/ resist Fire and Curse. After that I was able to dick down everything. 1 tap each phase of Babel, 2 tap Meta.It wasn't hard. I looked up what other people built, and the jist was 'Build magic, resist all, Drain'. I had drain/ holy dance on most of my other parties, and yeah, it invalidates the enemies. What is the point of allowing me to build a character, if I can pick phys/ elemental magic, have to actually try vs. 'lol just drain everything'. DDS can become really easy if you build the characters right, but by the end of DDS2, only like 2 of my characters had Heavy Almighty damage, and the elemental attacks didn't have 100% falloff like DeSu 1 Ov. did.
I would say start with raidou or 4 honestly. They're probably the most accessible entries for normies, aside from persona obviously.
>>744733467Physical is God tier late game thanks to VIT and AGI. Unfortunate str is decent but not the best late game
>>744733647>raidouWhere do you people come from? Awful suggestion to start the series with
>>744733918>Hey this turn based long running JRPG series how do I get into it>Play one of the 2 games that aren't turn based bro
>>744679646I got into it with NES Megami Tensei. Though I guess having started with all the Persona games first made it easier/more interesting to get into the mainline games from the very beginning.
>>744679646i only ever played the first SMT but i think it's the best one because it has zero weeb shit
>>744706846save states on the emulator o n the original ps2 version on hard and game sped up like to 3x or 6x is the right way to play 3
>>744735176It has about the same as 1-4 "weebshit" in it you are just obvious
so just checking what the best play options are. I got:Megami tensei/2 on NESSMT1 on PS1SMT2 on SNESSMT3/DDS on PS2 SMT4/A on 3DSSMTVV on whateverPersona 1/2 on PSP, P3 FES, P4 Goldenis the Raidou remake worth it, or do I stick with the PS2 ones?
>>744716563>MC is a homoerotic twink fruitcakeThat is exactly why you start with V. Coward.
>>744735362I concur but that's a hard sell to newfags
>>744735176>it has zero weeb shitHe says, about the game that brought Alice into the franchise and features a major boss fight with a man in a fundoshi wielding a katana.
>>744735576How the fuck did you miss SJ? It's the actual best litmus test for the series. If you don't like SJ you aren't gonna like it
>>744735650because theres a simple straight forward definitive version of that, I don't have to question it
>>744735634Erm 90s anime tropes are different so they are fine. Ignore a fourth of the demons being references to other weebshit btw
>>744735705Yeah the original. The remake butchers the pacing and character portraits
>>744735634>man in a fundoshi wielding a katana.see i'm not a weeb so i don't even know what this shit means, it's just a cool game with none of the faggy modern anime tropes that ruined jrpgs
>>744698914SMT 1 and 2 (and if) have an estoma skill that actually just straight up turns encounters off. People don't know to search it out and people that like those games never tell them, but I'm telling you: SMT3 actually has effectively the most painful encounter rate of all the mainline games.In SMT1 fuse an angel with a rusalka to get Kushinada-Hime, who has estoma, when you reach level 28. In SMT2 you can fuse a Heqet with an elemental to make Unicorn for estoma. Whenever you outlevel an area after that, just dismiss all demons other than your Kushinada Hime or Unicorn and start using estoma to have no encounters rather than get a trickle of XP.
>>744735650Shit journey is a bad game for posers.
>>744736353You a V fag or something? It's the best dungeon crawler game in the dungeon crawler series 1+2 are the poser options
>>744736189The tropes you speak of are older than anyone posting in this thread.
>>744736425As far SMT goes I'd say 4A was the peak because of best gameplay, sj is an awful dungeon crawler I'd much rather just play etrian odyssey instead.
>>744736551>sj is an awful dungeon crawlerDisagree it's great>I'd much rather just play etrian odyssey insteadAlso true but I love both. Best thing about MegaTen is it brought me to EO
>>744736189>see i'm not a weeb so i don't even know what this shit meansHe's referencing one of Japan's most notorious homosexuals, Yukio Mishima. Legitimately that's who Gotou is based on. An insane hyper fascist that would bitch about women but also masturbate to men and himself and talked about how it was the greatest expression of masculinity. He tried a coup, failed, and an hero'd.
