XI is better becasue you can play it solo

>>744684539
you've never played 14 and you were never around for the prime era of 11

>>744684378
>Implying that the existence of the MMOs titled in the main series means that you would have gotten a single player game if they chose a different arbitrary name for the games.

Ok retard. You were still going to get 2 MMOs regardless and all the resources allocated towards both. Modern FF was still going to have dogshit singleplayer games regardless of if you called shit like FF13, 15, or 16 FF12, 13, or 14 respectively.

>>744685050

Yes but if it wasn't a main entry then i wouldn't be forced to play if i'm playing all main entries. If it was just a spin off mmorpg garbage neitehr I nor 99% of players would even touch it

>>744684935
and yet im still not wrong.

>>744685269
I understand the line of thinking you're trying to present here but I'm sorry to say it's not really helping much with regard to the "retard" allegations. It's already understood among fans of the franchise that neither of the MMOs are "required material" for anyone doing a marathon of all the single-player entries and to be blunt, if someone actually did try to give one shit for skipping either of the MMOs, they're an even bigger retard to argue from that position.

Even if you were to play something like 14 as a single player game it's both the most expensive entry to get into and the most time consuming. Even when the story is good at times, there is nothing within the framework of either of the MMOs to make either of them worth playing for a purely single-player gaming enthusiast. Their value and merit as games is only their capacity to play within 2 FF themed multiplayer sandboxes with other players.

>>744685786
>It's already understood among fans of the franchise that neither of the MMOs are "required material"

lol
lmao

>>744685874
>N-no dude you NEED to pour like 500 fucking hours of mindless overworld mob farming or boring fetch quests with mandated 3-5 minutes of busy work per quest (there's close to 1000 mandatory quests of such caliber to do) with the occasional cutscene in-between that presents only a faction of the overall spectacle and excitement of a single player game in the franchise to experience the "epic" Chains of Promathia story or we can't be friends

See what I mean? THIS is the bigger retard I was talking about. You don't need to give a shit about them or their opinions because they're just a rigid midwit desperate for their time investment in the skinner box to feel validated.

>>744686313
>Chains of Promathia
when they make a ff11 ofline single palyer i'll finally do this story.

>>744686683
I don't even think scenarios like CoP really hit the same in a single-player context. What made CoP so interesting was the fact that it was a full campaign you were incentivized to do with a steady group of friends. In practice it's almost like playing a pre-written TTRPG adventure within the sandbox and framework of a multiplayer game. I'm pretty sure it's possible to solo it now, but the joy in the adventure was that it was one shared with friends (with REALLY good rewards for those that commit to it.) FFXI's mechanics when truly working at their best was when it could mechanically express a shared co-operative Final Fantasy adventure, with those other players filling the meta-narrative role of the your Steiner's, Terra's, or Lulu's you would have as the cast of authentic single player FF adventures.

The times when either FFXI or FFXIV can express mechanically those meta-narrative FF beats is why I think both games truly deserve their mainline FF title monikers. If anything I think both of those games become dramatically worse when played as single-player games, and I think both are worse for dedicating so many resources towards it instead of diverting more effort into making their MMOs more player accessible in ways that continue to push and encourage organic player interaction and socialization.

>>744684378
hmmm which is better? square enix feces or square enix defecation?

>main lane

>>744684378
XI by far in it's world and it's not a boring theme park composed of better FF titles that came before it

Am I wrong in remembering XI jobs feeling more unique in playstyle? In XIV all rotation inputs and outputs feel similar. Almost like theres no job identity now.
The fact blu & bst can't be made into real jobs kinda says it all. It breaks my heart.

>>744688894

No idea what rotation you're takling about XI has one of the worst combat systems ever made, a literal hud mess in which you just watch your character look camera and maybe every 30 seconds you do the same animation shared by all classses to MAYBE not MISS MISS MISS an enemy.

>>744684378
They also wasted one on a spinoff action game that was half finished. SE isn't exactly smart

>>744688994
>you just watch your character look camera and maybe every 30 seconds you do the same animation shared by all classses to MAYBE not MISS MISS MISS an enemy.
You're just broadcasting you haven't played the game.

15 and 16 were bigger wastes than 11 and 14 could ever be

>>744684378
they aren't mainline though, they're MMOs. Just because they slap a number on it doesn't make it mainline

>>744685050
So we'd have two fewer mainline games and we'd be on XIV now instead of XVI. Preferable to SE slapping mainline status on garbage online games to increase sales. What pisses me off the most is they did this retarded shit with Dragon Quest, then refused to localize X so westerners can never say they've played all main games.

Can we agree that the last good FF was XII?

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>>744687884
XI was before the merger, and it really shows
i think FFT Advanced was the last game before enix started shitting their bed

>>744690575
If you count the plot, it was X. XII was more of a gameplay entry and even then most of it was just busywork.

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>>744690290

Literally tried it with my boyfriend a few days ago and it was the most boring garbage ever. You should try playing it instead of pretending to like games you won't even touch.

>>744684378
FFXI easily.

>>744690754
you went to a real mmo expecting it to be a dress up theme park, didn't you anon

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>>744684378
>only job that has its ranged weapon slot held hostage and can't use a throwing weapon
Now guess what their highest combat skill was for like 5 years

>>744691321

More like i went into a videogame expecting it to be fun.

>>744684378
both are shit for different reasons

>>744691537
XI is very user hostile, it's a japanese thing
i'm amazed you got passed the playonline humiliation ritual

>>744691534
>C+ throwing skill, putting on a throwing weapon instantly lobotomizes your Automation
>have higher dagger skill than BRD, not allowed to use Evisceration. The only good Dagger Weapon Skill
>could flag Asuran Fists quest, unable to actually learn it because they couldn't equip the trial weapon
>the only melee job that can't equip Scorpion Harness or Speed Belt
Tanaka's vision... home...

>>744691750
XI just suffered from pre-WoW MMOROG design flaws. XIV is shit.

>>744688994
>>744690754
>Literal faggot makes a public hissyfit for experiencing a modicum of discomfort from a lack of understanding of a mechanical complicated video game for an hour

Weapon animations are shared between some weapon types yes, but each race and gender carry bespoke animations and that carries over into weapon skill animations too, it's actually pretty neat.

You were also missing all of your auto-attacks because you were literally level 1, picked Black Mage as your starting job (meaning you had DOGSHIT dex score) and you had zero weapon familiarity score to influence your accuracy because your character is mechanically a novice.

You're a dumb fuck for even bothering to waste your time forming an opinion from a kneejerk reaction to a game in the most grindy genre in the entire game industry instead of learning how to not be a retard and actually engage with the medium you decided to make your hobby at it's level but at least you had the decency to be literal cocksucker so we don't have to worry about your retarded genes spreading to another generation at least so thanks for that.

>>744684378
Ffxi has actual differing jobs
In FFXIV jobs are functionally the same and within 2% of each other

In FFXI being SAM and being able to use polearm/great katana/bows made all the difference

XIV is the palatable game that actually goes to some pretty high end lengths to try to be an entertaining story in its own right, a bit more traditional but with its own spin on things. XI, you can totally play through with Trusts now outside of specific raids, but the story's also one of those things where you'll get tons of hours potentially spent grinding, exploring, dungeoneering away between major plot beats because it wasn't the "focus", as developed as it became the further you got in. You don't come to XI for the plot, you're pleasantly surprised by it.