It's a monopoly but no one cares
>monopoly>but you can host your own store and compete with gabenso it's not a monopoly
>>744709265Yeah people tend to only care about monopolies when the company sucks.Why would you care unless it sucked?
>>744709265timmy, if you're reading this: pay your shills better, they're borderline retarded.
>Fortnitenot on Steam>Robloxnot on Steam>Minecraftnot on Steam>WOWnot on Steam>Genshinnot on Steam
>>744709265Just because the competition are retards doesn't make it a monopoly. You can buy games elsewhere jeet
>>744709265Just put in the work to make a good storefront that doesn't need accountslop, doesn't need a launcher, has no DRM and honors international consumer protections like refunds and used license sales.Steam is a natural monopoly, no one wants to put up with a second worse Steam insisting on yet another account, launcher and DRM, it needs to be something better.
>>744709265Rothschilds are a monopoly
Why are monopolies bad? >Because if there's no competition there's no incentive to improve products / services! And yet Steam is the only store that actually bothers providing a good service to both consumers and developers. Crazy.
the monopoly is over people's souls
>crying indie devs mad thier game isn't on the front page every 5 minutes and tried the communism angle>tim crying on xitter and taking 300 years to install a shopping cart and tried the it's better for devs angle>people who are really mad at private corporations and tried the company is not your friend angle>rothschilds who are trying every other anglewhat next? aliens?
Good dynasties were good until the one king took the throne and decided to burn everyone. Then you're stuck hoping someone can overthrow them.
>>744709437Based
>but gabedrones doesn't careFixed 4 (You), thanks me later
>>744709265>monopolyproof?
>>744709265>It's a monopoly but no one caresA monopoly of what?... good customer service?As opposed to Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, that force you to rebuy games, only to take them away from you every generation, and then rebuy them again?
Baltic Avenue
>>744709265buy a dictionary
Their "competition" sure care.
>>744709265Based Steam.
>>744709265Monopolies go out of their way to destroy competition. Steam doesn't do this, their competition doesn't need help destroying themselves.
>>744709265my dudes. monopoly has a clear definition, it's not "however I interpret it so it fits my feelings about a particular company."
>>744709265natural monopolies aren't bad
>>744709716No one can afford to provide a good service because steam keeps stealing their money.
Monopoly status only matters when it is obtained due to anti-competition practices. Steam doesn't do that. Not that they would need to anyway with how their competition acts
>>744709265It's not but it is game rentals and at some point they will find something more profitable and say fuck you to the gamers just like Nvidia
>>744711067Timothy san you own the biggest moneymaking scheme on earth, Fortnite.
>>744709265I have no idea what anyone is SUPPOSED to get upset here. Steam is too good so they're a monopoly? They're supposed to ruin their business on purpose or something?
>>744709480You just described GOG.
>>744711228More like competition is so bad they would rather accuse Steam of being a monopoly than actually try to improve because they just want Steam's success without doing all the effort Steam does to achieve it.
Monopolies aren't bad if they benefit the customer. Steam have a Monopoly for a reason they offer a much better service than anybody else in the space. The savings from steam sales alone justifies the Monopoly. Its the equivalent of Google with the other search engines they are so far ahead of everyone else so they have a Monopoly that benefits the users.
>>744709265Can you really call it a monopoly when there are plenty of alternatives, but most people simply don't want to use those?
The people who defend steam's monopoly are the same people who doesn't care about chinese monopoly in rare earth and solar panel. They always act like>it's still cheap and doesn't affect me, therefore it's fine
>>744709265Monopoly implies either:The literal definition, which doesn’t apply to Steam because they don’t have the requisite market shareThem being both large and using monopolistic tactics to deliberately suppress others, which doesn’t apply to Steam because they don’t engage in practises that sidestep the customer (buying exclusivity, loss leading, inorganic disruption of other platforms, etc)
>>744709265You can literally host your own website and sell your game thereThe HuniePop guy did that
>>744709265timmy go to sleep
>>744711506China only has a monopoly on solar panels (and green energy in general) because the US actively and deliberately sabotaged its own industry. Can't really blame the bugmen for that one.
>>744711506>rare earth and solar panelESL retard.
Go to sleep, timmy
>>744711453>google equivelentIf that was the case, steam would also have a gigantic infrastructure that spreads across and infests websites to lock them into steam's ecosystem and lock out competetion. They don't though.
what's up with the retards who keep parroting that steam is a monopoly? do they not know what that word means?
>>744711506Literally and unironically yes, nigger. Monopoly becomes a problem when it serves a stepping stone to top down authoritarian structure that you CANNOT ESCAPE OR CIRCUMVENT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE. If you can leave it at a moment's notice then it's not a bad kind of monopoly.
>>744711506>the west doesn't want to do manufacturing because muh environment>china goes "i don't give a fuck, gimme money">HEY THATS A MONOPOLYlol. lmao, even
>>744709265monopoly: >nintendo first party games only runs on nintendo consoles >nintendo first party digital games only available on nintendo eshop>sues a dev team for making a game and coming up with patents to fake claimsnot a monopoly:>steam>gog>humble bundle>itchwants to be a monopoly:>ebin gay store
>>744709265It literally isn't, the majority of people playing PC games are NOT playing on Steam. They are playing Roblox, Fortnite, and other f2p games with their own clients. And what about Minecraft? That isn't on steam.
>>744711729>do they not know what that word meansHave you spoken to a young person these days?Words don't mean anything anymore, you can just say things
>>744709265Gabe bought out all other companies and holds absolute power?
A monopoly is what you have on consoles, since you can only get games from the console vendor, especially once they go full digital and you can't even get used discs.
>>744709265It's not a monopoly.Not even close. For steam to be a monopoly, there would have to be no Epic Store. There would have to be no Consoles. There would have to be no sites that sell you game keys on other platforms.It's not a monopoly.
>>744711506Most people don't "defend" so much as retort that nobody else is doing shit to deserve business outside of GOG's niche. You want to be top dog, make a better service than steam. Give me reasons to use you. Fuck, give me consistantly lower prices.You don't deserve my money, my data, my traffic, or even my attention. You do things to earn this from me. If you can't and won't try, fuck off, I'll stay with steam.
>yuronigs complaining about monopoly
>>744709265>Be Steam>Get released in 2003>A lot of folks still have 56k modems but okay >Released Half-Life 2 and a bunch of their own games on it >Most folks begrudgingly use it for those games and still buy other physical games >Fast forward to 2011 >Steam is warmed up to by most PC gamers as cable internet gets more widespread and they see the benefits of the platform, and also because Valve bet the farm on the platform and it wasn't going away any time soon, showing their dedication to it>During this time, a bunch of other publishers try their hand at taking down Steam by releasing their own platform like Origin and UPlay >Mind you, this is only because Steam proved digital distribution was viable in the first place.>They limped on for a few years but eventually caved to Steam because nobody likes EA or Ubisoft lol >Tim Sweeney of Epic Games rubs his little rat hands together after seeing that the competition against Steam has failed, and since his game Fortnite is a massive success, he launches Epic Game Store to compete with Steam >He puts up a good fight with free games, but nobody is really using it because folks would rather use Steam>He throws a huge bitch fit and supports a bunch of anti-trust lawsuits against Valve >He throws even bigger bitch fits when they get thrown out or struck down >His only comeback so far has been "muh monopoly". Go to bed, Tim.
>>744709437not a single good game there, they cant be called games at all even
>>744711729These threads are almost entirely made by:Literal shillsOne severely assmad indie dev who tried to sell steam keys under the table and got told to get fucked, and has been going on an internet jihad ever sinceShitposters imitating one of those two In any case, expecting an intelligent point is a fool’s errand
>>744709880Steam's success is heresy!
Do you want to know what a monopoly looks like?Zionism owns America today. Prove to me otherwise. Believe me, you can't.
>>744711923anon thats very antisemetic of you
>>744709716opposition to monopolies is more of a general moral notion, it is in small man's interest to prevent consolidation before he gets fucked over by something with way too much momentum and not enough oppositionsee also: unitary state>the only store that actually bothers providing a good servicesteam is the "enlightened despot" argument in action, the biggest dick in town being just and good it's also why timmy's ramblings over steam's dominance are so funny, nigga has neither moral nor cloutful highgroundand people are already dreading the day gaben bites it and the whole company goes public / sells out to bigger jew / whatever elsean empire that doesn't outlast its ruler is no empire at all
>>744711506>chinese monopoly in rare earth and solar panelAustralia makes solar panels and has more rare earths than China. Its just that the USA prefers to buy from China while applying further tariffs on Australia.
>>744711884From the start, Timmy was quite clear that he was doing everything for the benefit of publishers, rather than the consumer. Far from hiding that shit, he's actually said it out-loud. More than once.The guy's a buffoon whose game plan was to try get the people who release games, to only release on his store, and therefore strong-arm the consumers to use epic instead.He literally tried to create a monopoly, while bleating non-stop about someone else being a monopoly.
>>744709265ebin game store exists it just sucks ass
It's adorable how the "people" who constantly claim Steam is a monopoly never respond to replies or discuss anything, they just keep spamming "Monopoly! Monopoly!" with the steady beat of an automated machine.
>>744711949Can you give me one single reason to support Jews today? They're literally demons. All of them.And before you cower and move the goalpost I'm not saying anyone is any better because Kikes are so fucking disgusting. Answer the fucking question.
It’s a monopoly in the same way Youtube or Google search is a monopoly. Everyone is free to make a better service, just nobody seems to want to invest into making an actually better service because it would be expensive.
>>744709265Correct, no one cares.
>>744711923Hey, can you stop being an asshole?!not wrong, just a meanie
>>744712096Shut the fuck up goy and just consoom like the good pig you are
>>744712169Lmao take your own advice dumbfuck faggot
>>744711884>UPlayFucking remember when the original Street Fighter IV came out for PC and even if you launched it from Steam it then launched the Games for Windows Live launcher thing that did its own password check.Fuck that shit. I'm glad that's over.
steam has a mental monopoly, the most sinister and evil of all monopolies. Gabe is literally haired professor x. We need the government to break it up
>>744712169
rothschild spam thread
Wow! Totally organic and not at all suspicious!
why the fuck does volvo not do anything about the constant friend request spam from bots trying to scam you for $2.43 of csgo cases?
>>744711317Except GOG can't stop shilling Galaxy which doesn't fucking work on anything but Windows, and has DRM. GOG is only good for Good Old Games, shame there is no store with that name anymore.
>>744712349Just turn it off? Why do you even have your profile public?
Remember when a product wasn't made with planned obsolescence in mind and actually made to last? Remember when you didn't pay over 20% of your fucking income and the minimum wage kept up relatively close to inflation?Remember when you were allowed to be proud of your heritage and not demonized? Remember when Epstein was eating and raping children on an island with Trump? Oh you don't? Yeah, that was supposed to be a secret. But It's not anymore! Has anyone done anything about it? No? That's so weird!It's almost like your fucking country is compromised by parasites from within or something!
>>744711923You've got American politicians openly declare in front of a camera that their loyalty lies with Israel first and foremost and nobody gives a fuck. Two decades ago they'd lose their job over something like that and now it only makes them richer.Shit's fucked brehs.
>>744709265Some industries function better or function at all with natural monopolies. Steam is a one stop shop for all the games, its convenience increases with every game that becomes available to Steam rather than exclusive to somewhere else. Twitterx's primary value to its users IS the fact that it is an effective monopoly; an online town square for communication between as many people as possible obviously benefits its users the more it encompasses everybody.
>>744711907>One severely assmad indie dev who tried to sell steam keys under the table and got told to get fucked, and has been going on an internet jihad ever sinceQrD?
>>744712512The biggest reason Steam is being targeted like this by smear campaigns is because of the review feature. It shows you the undeniable truth of what the consumer thinks about a product.The fucking filthy Jews can't have that. The truth burns them like a vampire under the sun. Fuck them let them burn in the god damn oven again.I hate Kikes.
>>744711845Being the only one able to build a certain type of machine is not a monopoly. It's only that the other possible competitors are severely retarded.
>>744709265People will care when Gabe croaks and his kids decide to go public (remember that he has both a son and a daughter and females are more likely to fuck things up on average when a company is being inherited).
>>744712424cus I like making friends
>>744712560>da joozkek
Why is it called Monopoly? Why not call it Parcheesi, or Yahtzee, or Mille Bornes?
>>744709265>monopolyThis again. You know more and more I think about what Hitler said about arguing with jews and I just gotta say, he was kinda right.
>>744709265Good morning sir.
But it's not a monopoly; I can and do use other stores. I even have 590 games on Epic. I also pirate games until I see them on sale on some platform for less than $20 if I like them, and I claim the games that Amazon gives away.
>>744709265>timmy holds games hostage, bribing developers to keep their games only on his platform, effectively monopolising these games>something that valve has never done>but valve is the monopoly somehowI fucking hate this hypocritical, remote-munching, FPS-stealing, children-demoralising twat
>>744712738>No argument against verfiable proof >Ignores it, even
>>744712773
>>744711895Here is your you for that dopanine rush, now go play some videogames, silly.
>All of this anti-steam hate >After the Rothschilds lost in court to Gaben
>>744711506>rare earth and solar panelchina's only "monopoly" is nobody else wants to build the stuff to refine them because it's "not green/eco" and china doesn't give a shit about that."rare" earths aren't even fucking rare lmao.
>>744709265Monopolies that are genuinely better for consumers than their competitors getting more of the market share are bad for what reason exactly?
>>744709265Just like windows
>>744709265i hate nintendo more than steam desu. at least steam cares about linux.
>>744713226Steam won a lawsuit against Jews so now they're trying to spread anti-Steam sentiment.It's mostly bots or lobotomites saying this bullshit. Steam is the most pro-consumer company, that doesn't mean it's consumer-friendly, but It's obviously not the worst one out there. You could argue it's the best, actually.That doesn't matter however. Steam isn't public. It's a private owned company. Jews despise any company that doesn't go public. It's like an insult to Kikes. So there you go.
>>744711067>sony>sony pictures>sonic music>MJ's discography revue>can't afford to provide a good service
>>744709471This. Monopolies literally don't exist and anyone shouting "LE MONOPOLY!!" in game industry or otherwise...be the competition then, lazy fucks, if you don't think those who actually rose to the top earned it.
>>744713409It wouldn't even be spectactularly difficult to make a competitor, you just have to give users features they want and make your platform as unobtrusive and simple to use as possible. We live in a world hellbent on putting as many people as possible through humiliation rituals, however.
>steam is so based it makes private equity Epstein pedo NEETs piss, shit and seethe It's beautiful. Get zapped by RAED.
>>744712909>The biggest reason Steam is being targeted like this by smear campaigns is because of the review featureproof?point to 2 smear campaings that arent caused by steams shitty practicesreminder>steam sold malware on multiple occasions>steam introduced millions of kids to gambling with their cases in csgo and tf2>steam left tf2 be unplayable for years, yet continued to sell items in the storealso some other stupid bullshit steam/volvo did>artifact (kek)>make they best franchise into a VR spinoff to sell their stupid headset>realise people were making money trading items so they fucked them>flood steam store with absolute garbage>but muh epib points store for le cool anime avatars
>monopoly is when everyone likes youActually, monopoly is when you buy competitors just to shut them down. Which, btw, is allowed, kosher, nobody prevents it (just pay a few milly for the privelege, goy!)When Steam buys GOG and shuts them down, that's when you can bitch and moan about MUH NO POLY
>>744709265why are there so many bots talking shit about steam nowadays?
>>744713648Tim figured out Indians can use Windows XP.
>>744709265libtards completely invert the meaning of the words
>>744713648A patent troll rothschild lost a suit against Valve and a ton of anti-steam sentiment coincidentally began not long after, including lawsuits that totally aren't counter-suits meant to waste money. If this sounds like it's the beginning of a generational blood feud against Gaben, you're an anti-semite and need to attend sensitivity training.
>>744709265>monopoly>look outside>incompetent competition
>>744713769Don't forget the Wolfire guy is literally a (((Rosen))).
>>744713816Stop noticing things
>>744713769kek I had a feeling (they) were behind this
>ongoing Nosen-Rosen lawsuit for a fifth of a century>defeat low-level Rothschild miniboss as a sidequest>awakens (((Jew York))) and (((London))) superbossesMan, I'm noticing a pattern here...
>>744713872Yes and no, complaints about steam being a monopoly and bad for devs and all and sundry aren't exactly new, we've been seeing it for years and years by now, but the coincidental and sustained uptick in such rhetoric after that suit was lost was very interesting. So I suspect some new money was thrown into the mix in the campaign against steam that was already happening.
>>744713978anything but providing a service that can compete with steam I guess
>>744709265How many times do I need to see this thread during my limited lifespan?
Steam users are afraid of this
>>744714359I don't even know what this is
>>744713978It also happened more after Tim Sweeney started trying to take on Valve too.Valve has plenty to criticize but anything about them being a monopoly just makes someone seem like an idiot.
Buying games you dont own emulating games is superior because you actually own the games
>>744713769>>744712938Why do jews always have to act so cartoonishly evil? Does it horrify them that there is one corner in the world that is outside their influence. Do they start to hiss at the mere mention of the word "3rd space"? I guess the answer is yes because any place people can retreat to will grow over time simply because it exists as an alternative and people are aware of it.This then begs the next question: Why do they insist on acting in such a way that people want to leave their proverbial plantations in the first place? Past a certain point, any active effort and resources spent on oppressing people can be used to please them and a happy/grateful goy is just as cooperative as one who is whipped into submission. So why? Are they truly so cartoonishly evil that they need to feed on other people's misery because they are so ugly and dysgenic themselves? So much misery over lateral cartilage shape.
>>744714359
>>744709310This is the capitalist mind, the lack of gray matter
>>744714359I haven't pirated games in years since I started earning money, but when I was a broke student, I'd pirate everything possible
>>744711067Providing good services isn’t hard. You just listen to customer feedback. That’s why consoles are dying whilst Steam is thriving
>>744709265>It's a monopoly but no one caresHow about you try and offer a better customer experience first?
>>744714587I have money and I still pirate games before I buy anything, it just makes sense.
>>744714486One word. Schizophrenia. They have an absurdly high genetic predisposition for it from all the inbreeding they did in the desert several millennia ago, as is common for resource scarce environments. That's not even a baseless accusation either, it's a publicly available fact, it's a point of concern in israel as I understand it, has charity foundations set up for research and everything. So basically all the worst behaviors of schizophrenia that you can imagine are endemic to their race, combined with their religious scripture and culture, taught from birth and collectively reinforced, and you come out with a people that incite campaigns of expulsion and genocide against them every hundred years or so.When you give in to the delusions of grandeur, you start to think you're better than everyone else, and when you think that, you see nothing wrong with cheating and abusing them. The difference for them from your typical schizophrenic is that they have a high degree of ingroup preference and a lot of financial power because europe unwisely let jews do their banking because it was illegal for christians to do usury, for reasons we are now suffering.
>>744714709because customers dont matter
>>744714709This.Anti-steam shills will pretend that gamers will be better off if Steam gets cut down because, somehow, other companies will suddenly start treating their customers like customers instead of goycattle.
>>744714858What a dumb quote.Developers can't even decide their own gender properly, they've got no way to sway the market. Neither do publishers at this point.
>>744709265It's not. You can buy your games everywhere.When a dev/pub decides to only sell on Steam, the fault is with the dev/pub, not with Steam/Valve.
>>744709265Technically isn't. Is this really the best campaign kikes can come up with? I thought your bosses were IQ300 psyop demons, what happened?
Better than steam
>>744709265its a soft monopoly, the kind that exists when its the best in the business and people naturally gravitate towards it, a far cry form actual monopoly who uses predatory tactics like buying up all the competition, enforcing exclusivity on products they don't make, etc
starsector isn't on steam and it's doing good
As a consumer I don't care. If I was an indie slop developer I would shit and piss myself over that 30% cut.
>>744715229Indie games are Shovelware games but with a different name
>>744709265>monopolyliterary not, just better option out of all other stores. only imbeciles would call it monopoly
>>744715292That is only mostly true. I do some game dev as a hobby because it is important to keep the brain active. If I ever get it to a playable state I will release it ffor free. The problem is that as soon as you start charging for your hobby it is not a hobby anymore, it's a job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXN9acC9edU&list=RDgXN9acC9edU&start_radio=1
Why does steam use 2gb of ram and 1gb of vram, why does this malware exist
>called monopoly>games can be both release on gog and epic without a legal issueyeah sure buddy
>>744711506Finish dealing with Iran before you start tackling China, amerifriend
>>744714858Every time I see quotes like this, I am reminded of the CA fiasco and how they gave up after a month
Steam is only a """""""monopoly"""""""" because the industry stopped giving a shit about PC gaming in the 2000's while Gaben wanted to support it.
Smells like Reddit in here all the gaben dick riding
>>744715603its like calling lincoln a dictator because he was a known president like stalin
>>744709265It's ok to be a Monopoly it's not ok to abuse your position.
>>744715670what qualities does epic have against steam?
>>744709265No its SupremacyAs in, its supremely better than what others have to offer and it favors the consumer Every other large gamestore has infinite money but refuses to not print money at every second and provides nothing that entices the consumer So no, no matter how much you try spread this meme I will never feel bad for large companies getting salty that their greed makes the incapable of actually making a good service
These are the kinds of people that Steam, the multi-billion dollar monopoly, capitulate to instead of people who actually play games
>>744709265>there is competition>competition is unattractive in comparison to steam>STEAM IS A MONOPOLY!!!!!This shit is more astroturfed than anything you see on faggot /pol/
>>744715771You can play your goon games on PC regardless, can you not? >steam is a monopoly that I hate>UGH why doesn't steam have the games I want to play; I have to buy and play it through its competitors now!Fucking retard man
>>744711884>a bunch of their own games on it
>>744715670>reddit is when antisemitism and factsOkay.
>>744715670
Timmy I know making the cart was hard, but it wasn't enough...Thank you for all the games, but you need to fix your shit first before you give to other peopleI'm sorry...
>>744715792No anon you don't get it.when mega game corporations buy up small studios, sit on beloved IPs for decades, and only release slop games, they are actually the real victims.who cares if steam has been around 23 years and epic has been around for like 8 and if fortnite shutdown tomorrow, epic game store would follow months later steam is bad monopoly!
>>744715876>HL1>HL1 BS>HL1 OF>TF Classic>Counter Strike Source>Counter Strike Condition Zero>Counter Strike GO/2>HL DM Source>Day of Defeat>DM Classic>HL2 >HL2 DM>TF2>DOTA>DOTA2>Alien Swarm>HL Alyx>Various smaller VR and Steam Deck titlesWhy are you being dishonest? The Steam client was launched specifically to deliver updates and patches to games like HL2 and Counter Strike. That it evolved into something much more, like what we have today, is simply glorious.
>It's a monopoly>No, EGS does not exist>Neither does GoG>Nor does the Windows store>What's Battle.net?>EA App? Never heard of it.>Ubisoft launcher who?
>>744716178Claiming that Nintendo Store and Microsoft Store or Sony Store - or whatever their names are - are monopolies, make more sense, since they do, in fact, have a monopoly on their respective aggressively closed platforms
you really need to get a grip on your life and play some video games instead of making this anal hurt thread every day and getting BTFO
>>744716340These are corporate shill threads. Even if they are gamers, they are getting paid a dime to conduct this concensus cracking campaign
>>744716251Ah but you see they compete with each other, so they're not monopolies.>Well then isn't Valve also competing with them?S-Shut up!
>>744716391they should hire smarter shills instead of the jeets that just repeat muh monopoly muh yacht over and over
>>744715540>why does steamIt's on chromium, which basically everything uses.
>>744709265Technically it's closer to straight-up anarchy, there isn't any reason you can't try to compete but customers don't have standards so it's another Crash of '83 waiting to happen.
>>744709265When it just werks they let you get away with it
>>744712225This is how I know when some underage fag is in a Steam thread when they talk about "Everyone just didn't use GFWL and stuff like uplay because they were brainwashed by Steam!" when everyone else that lived through that era always had some pain in the ass setup involving making up multiple accounts, getting kicked from games they bought, and dealing with half assed customer service on top of companies just completely abandoning services leading to me to just pirate a game to not deal with it.
>>744709265Please learn the definition of the word you are using. Otherwise return to the hut you crawled out of
>>744709716>good service to developers>30% blood sacrafice>they wont even show your game until it is already popular
I dont understand how people fall for that scam by the Jewish Steam vendors paying for something they dont actually have or how many people will buy a PS6 even though they are killing physical media Sony will become like Steam but worse the current state of Gaming is embarrassing it deserves a new crisis like the Atari era
>>744717879You do realize that even when you bought physical copies, you were only buying the license to play that which was put on the disc. You own the disc, sure, you own the manual and all the charming printed paper and plastic, sure. But you never owned the game, only the license to install and play it. I can't say I don't miss the big box era, but to say you ever owned the games is retarded. You can burn a cd or dvd with your game if you please, and with GoG you certainly can, for the most part. Depending on the privileges the dev/publisher on Steam gives the licensee/player, you can do the same, but GoG still has the greatest advantage in that regard
>>744711729anti steem shills been wild after gabe beat a rothchild in a lawsuit
>>744717879>le physical mediayour tendie plastic requires an entire operating system acting as DRM to function your aging plastic will never be usable on a newer console because they want you to rebuy those gamesThe things explicitly forbidden in Nintendo EULA and enforced by hardcore DRM are what steam considers features Buying games on steam is means of paying for those games and supporting a platform that is still finding ways to improve 20 years later and is at the point where they're fighting to liberate computing as a whole If it ever fails then piracy will rule again
>can people with a functioning brain be disappointed with a mediocre service?>no, it has to be timmy and a shill campaignsteamcuck cope is hilarious
>>744717867>30% Not even that much. Consider also that you get free hosting and bandwidth with which to deliver the game to your playerbase, even if your game is taken off the store and all the other things that would, if you were to self-host, end up costing more than that 30% overall.Now tell me what the other storefronts charge :)Consider also that you can - and some games do this with success - pay Steam the one-time $100 fee to put your game on Steam, and then not sell it on Steam; sell it on your own site to be activated on Steam. The most common example of this is Vintage Story.You're fucking retarded
>>744718116Name a better service
>>744718193local install direct from developer website>>744718157>hosting a website would cost 30% of your revenue>calling anyone else retarded
>>744718279That's not even a service fag, you're doing everything yourself
>>744718157>now tell me what the other storefronts chargeitch charges 10% :) kys faggot
>>744718346>i need special service for clicking download on a webpagewell no one ever accused a steamcuck of being intelligent
>>744718279>local install direct from developer websiteYou give this answer, yet in the very next line feign ignorance of the cost of bandwidth, hosting, maintenance etc. etc.Yes, you are, in actual fact, retarded
>>744718352>seethingly belligerentDidn't know that Itch had a 10% fee, I thought that was lower, actually, considering it is mainly for obscure turbo-indie nobodies: Today's equivalent of flash game makers. But still 10% isn't bad for that. Good on them
>>744718402>I expect every single developer to handle everything themselves so I can larp as a le independent big boyEnjoy getting raped by data leaks faggot
>>744709265gog existsitch existsonly by the grace of the CCP, epic exists not a monopoly.
>>744709356Because it sucks
As long as steam>has drm>censors anime games even when they're not H-games>don't delete AI slop on sight during next fest events or sales>don't allow you to play games completely offline/without the launcherIt will only be seen as the least worse, not the best.
>>744718910Opinion noted, (you) dispensed. Have a good day
>>744711453>Google>goodIt was up until 2012
>>744709310>but you can make your search engine and compete with google, so it's not a monopoly
>>744719051Many do, a lot do pretty alright. It's like saying linux is totally oppressed because it is competing with windows.The real fact of the matter is, corpies are seething because Steam/Valve are private companies that they can't subvert or take over directly through money-pissing
>>744719012Forgot another important thing, the lack of a proprt TOTP two factor authentication method. You can extract the authenticator key seed and technically add it to KeepassXC or Aegis, but the process is extremely cumbersome/tech savvy. The average user being FORCED to rely on an unreliable 2FA mobile app to access their account or trade for things on the marketplace is beyond retarded. There is NOTHING drones can say to defend this, even censorship of anime games I could see a legitimate reason for the company to protect itself. (and we know it's not true given the presence of pedo tier WEG slop)
>>744715292>most of everything is shitWow, you sure are a deep thinker!
>>744719051Kagi actually mogs Google
>>744719051Duckduckgo, Yandex, Yahoo Search.
>>744709265the most selling game in history, minecraft, was never on steam. never forget that.
>>744719012>>744719173I personally have nothing against any of these things, except the AI slop, but there is the AI disclaimer, at least. But you can play certain games offline and without the launcher, but these are things that depend on the dev/publisher. So a small fraction can be played drm free, but at that point those games are probably already ones you have on GoG, then there are a much larger amount of games you can play offline, and a few faggot games that are always online.At the end of the day this is entirely on the dev/publisher, and not so much Steam for allowing the "feature" Only two things about Steam has ever pissed me off, switching the two factor thing to exclusively be a phoneapp, and the blue-hued redesign over the green grey
>>744715229As opposed to the 50% cut of physical or requiring an entire fucking console dev kit that costs hundreds and still charges you 30%?Steam is bigger than any console and offers you by far the best terms
>>744715229Then they should stick to where they belong, itch.io
>>744718279>local install direct from developer website No cloud saves.No Steam Input.No workshop.No forums.No guides.No achievements.How exactly is that better?
All those threads just to keep yourself from admitting how fucking envious you are? Silly Op, no yacht for you
>>744719804Your brain is rotten
>>744709265itch and gog are great actually and you can just use them if you want
>>744709310>I own everything in the world but everybody's free to challenge me in the markets>therefore there's nothing wrong with it
>>744719051Yeah there are like 20 of them all widely used.How do you manage to be this retarded? Smoking during pregnancy? American?
>>744709265Everyone can and tries to compete with Steam. Everyone but GOG (kind of) fails because nobody does it better than Steam.
>>744709437>>Genshin>not on SteamThat's because Timmy beat Steam to that one.All the rest of Mihoyo's games are on Steam now.
If you're spending money on a game, you buy it on the best platform which is Steam.If you don't care about platform features and care about ownership, you pirate.It's that simple.
>>744718279>hosting a website would cost 30% of your revenueDepends on how high your revenue is compared to the cost of running the website. 30% is not unreasonable for someone who isn't selling millions. The Internet is full of AI shit that will DDoS your website to shit if you're not hiding behind cloudflare. You also need someone to manage the website and server full time to keep up with security so nobody takes it over.
>>744711884>He puts up a good fightNo.
>>744709265Impossible for steam to be a monopoly when they regularly ban anime games forcing me to use other sites that have the anime games.
>>744709265It's not a monopoly, there are several other stores you can go to and buy games from. It does dominate the PC gaming market, but that's just because other stores are worse. The only one that even tries to compete is GOG, all the others exist simply because the companies don't want to give Valve a cut but their launchers are utter garbage because they never thought or cared about the user experience.
>>744719231>they both block "loli hentai"
>>744721945If you look for loli hentai on a search engine you don't deserve internet. Go back to the boonies to shovel pig shit.
If steam is a monopoly, you could easily provide proof they have pressured governments into killing off potential competitorsSo please go ahead and provide this proof or forever be labled a barely functioning retard
>>744722023You fell for bait, you're the retard.
>>744709265It's not a monopoly; their competition just sucks.
>>744721467>care about ownership, you pirateYou can still move games on steam to local storage even since steam drm is the easiest thing in the world to remove, it's not even really drm, it just calls up your steam client. The darkest shit about this is that more and more people don't know they can do that.
>>744721985Why does every search engine manually block the exact same phrases?Curious...
>>744722053Barely functioning retard, does your tard wangler know you're on the internet being stupid?
>>744711884Trying to fight steam with free games was always a retarded idea. Steam was built from the ground up with the idea that piracy(read: free games) was it's biggest competition. So the best way to do that is offering people services and/or convenience that you can't get from piracy. Trying to fight Steam with the very thing it was designed to compete with was stupid unless you have something else to back it up.
>>744722121American fake puritanism and israel interests? Everyone knows that. Also duck doesn't. Also learn how to use a fucking vpn inbred.
>>744722137tl;dr
>>744720293Epic literally bought up games on their shitty store, how does Valve own everything you dumb gorilla nigger? I am sorry your strategy did not work Timmy.
>>744722245that's the sad part. EGS already showed their hand they don't care about consumers by forcing players to use their shitty store
>>744714359Unironically less convenient than just buying the game on Steam.
>>744722169Loli hentai is the ultimate search engine shit test>Also learn how to use a fucking vpn inbredHow about you use your brain and read what I am saying instead of just assuming I don't know how to use the Internet properly. Moron
>>744718910tactical (you) incoming!
>>744720196Your brain is rotten, faggotYou don't live in the real world and want everyone to facilitate your larp
>>744722307They didn't just show their hand, Timmy explicitly said that developers and publishers are the customers of EGS. Consumers are the product they are selling.
>>744714359Ah the mark of poverty.
>>744714672>Providing good services isn’t hard. You just listen to customer feedbackBut that requires dealing with the plebs and lower classes, they should just give me my money regardless
>>744714359this is for anime and movies.
>>744709265I want (you) to personally define what (you) mean by "monopoly".Then I want (you) to define what United States federal law defines as a monopoly.Don't worry. I can wait.
>>744722436>selling a product they don't have and actively antagonizeWhat business strategy is this called?
>>744709265lmao trannies are seething just because Valvle did not go public and blackrock can't show up their lgbtq horseshit down to our throats
>>744709265If Epic games, and all the other storefronts offered library parity or something with steam maybe they would take off. But otherwise why would I move to another ecosystem without any of my games.
Unlike consoles, PC market doesn't really rely on exclusives so nobody really needs to use multiple storefronts, just like nobody needs another Youtube. Epic tried to leverage exclusives, but everyone just waits until their exclusive period expires, especially when it comes to early access games.
>>744722747the Timbecile strategy.
>>744720451America is pro-Steam. OP is a slav who lost his Adidas tracksuit in the CS skin market.
>>744719051but you can, you fucking retarded communist. Read a book.
>>744719051But I haven't used Google search for almost a fucking decade now, faggot
>>744714359Pretty sure they're not.
>>744709265No it's not, it's competitors just suck.
>>744714359I use both.
>>744709265People only got themselves to blame if they buy rentals
>>744711895I'm surprised how retarded you are, what the fuck does it have to do if they're bad games?, that's not the point. I'm over reading this thread, your fucking faggot without neurons has ruined it for me. There's no doubt that people don't compete with Steam for fucking idiots like you.
>>744723338Epic got off on the wrong foot when one of the very things they did was strong arm Deep Silver to stop selling pre-orders on steam for a game that was already announced. All of the negativity and disdain for EGS stems from this and their PR never recovered.
>>744725317>the stickers over the steam logo on the casesThey'll never live that down.
>>744709880I imagine they'll try the "they're using online chat to coordinate terrorism/groom children!!!" thing again and direct it straight at Valve and Steam
>>744709265If it's a monopoly why do I have so many games on GoG and EGS?
>>744709265>monopoly>You can buy the same games on other platforms>You can buy them on other storefronts>the devs are under no obligation to be steam exclusive.You should probably wait until after high school before making claims about products on the marketplace. If you want to complain to someone you have to complain to EVERY individual dev that only sells through steam. And there aren't even that many since the big guys have their own storefronts or they go to epic. and the smaller guys dump everything on GOG and itch these days. Who are you complaining about?
>>744719262lolhttps://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-sharehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Google_LLC_(2023)
>>744725669It's a soft monopoly like Coca Cola and Amazon. There are other options but they still control 99% of the marketshare.
>>744726683Because they are better, fag. People like convenience. But you can eat your stinky dr pepper and use some poverty used object reseller i suppose.
undercut steam's prices and I will buy on your platform
It's a monopoly but it's actually good, so who cares (for now)It will be enshittified like all other services when Gaben dies, then we can talk about GoG or Itch or whatever.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/606150/Moonlighter/Have a free game
>>744725669The same retard makes this thread hourly, it's probably a bot
>>744722747Unironically it's what monopolies do when you have no other option.
>>744727525Isn't this actually irony though? Epic Games isn't a monopoly but behaves like one.
It's not. I can get Battlefield 6 using EA's launcher, Epic's launcher, Sony Playstation, Xbox as well as Steam.
It has a monopoly on low quality indie shit made by trannies, furries and other degenerates.
>>744728854That would be Itch.
>>744711317Mostly yes even though GOG is not fully in line with EU law, since you can't resell used licenses. But GOG operates on such razor thin profit margins that no one wants to emulate GOG, they all want to be Steam.
>>744714545>>744719051>>744720293>I dont like it, so it's a monopoly you don't get to make up your own definitions of words to fit your narrative.
>>744727587Because despite what they say, they have no problems with monopolies. The problem they have is that they aren't the monopoly.
The functional criteria for a monopoly is not controlling the entire market. it is the ability to set out of equilibrium prices and not be affected by cheaper competitors. The "price" Valve sets is the 30% fee they charge to developers. They maintain this fee above what the market equilibrium should be, because they have that much control of their market.In other words, the steamie rebuttle that always gets used, "30% fee is the industry standard" is exactly the kind of language that will lose you an anti-trust case. "industry standard" is a euphemism for anti-competitive. This is why Valve is completely avoiding that type of language in their on going anti-trust cases.also remember, it is ok when valve does it.
>>744709265A monopoly on PC indie games at best.
Y'know I would buy from other stores (besides GOG and occasionally itch) if they didn't have their games tied to a shitty bloatware launcher. Like 10 years ago I had so many fucking launchers for everything. I only tolerate one, otherwise just sell me the .exe at a good price and I will give you my money.
>>744726546This is good because if they became google level monetarily the kikes would enforce their neo-puritian bullshit.Same way 4chan was better when it was a niche site.
>>744729564>steam is going to lose a case over 30% when all consoles and gog already do itlolyou want to know what a monopoly is?every single fucking console, you can't get your games without going through the console corpo and passing their DRM checks
>>744725317It's not just that game, they poached games that had promised Steam release from Kickstarter and they also took Rocket League off Steam too. And Fallguys I think? I don't play that crap.All this is just really bad PR no matter how you slice it. The only way that'd work out good for them is if they convinced the users that they were there to make everything better, but their messaging was exclusively aimed at pleasing publishers and developers so they didn't even try.
"People" (shills) always go on about how steam is a monopoly but never really say WHY steam is a monopoly, funny innit
>>744725317So many PCfags are jaded ex-consolefags and somehow Timmyboy thought trying to force exclusivity on PC was his golden ticket. The dude is the worst kind of malicious retard.
>>744729564>The "price" Valve sets is the 30% fee they charge to developers. They maintain this fee above what the market equilibrium should be30% is the market norm, and was in place before Steam's 30% cut. As a matter of fact, brick and mortar stores selling physical copies took heftier cuts than even Steam, which was a major contributing factor to indie and AA developers abandoning physical stores to sell on Steam instead.In addition, unlike other digital distributors, Steam lowers the cut it takes the more a game sells, down to 20%.
>>744729935I'm just giving you the perspective of how these things actually get decided in real courts. Your feelings of loyalty to a software DRM platform aren't really relevant.
>>744730238>30% is the market norm, and was in place before Steam's 30% cut. As a matter of fact, brick and mortar stores selling physical copies took heftier cuts than even Steam, which was a major contributing factor to indie and AA developers abandoning physical stores to sell on Steam instead.This is correct as a description of how the market functions in practice, but if you made this argument in an anti-trust or anti-competitive case you would be guaranteeing you will lose. Luckily valves lawyers are much smarter than you.
>>744730317The irony of this post is that if Valve took a lower cut the argument that they were a monopoly would be easier to make as other stores wouldn't be able to match it and still make enough money to function.
>>744730240and if steam gets sued over it then the whole fucking industry will get dragged into it
>>744730453Please never go into law.
>>744730453That is factually untrue.
>>744709265EpicGOGHumble BundlePiracyall of this exists on PC it doesnt on Playstation
>>744730317They would lose if the industry standard was something they themselves set, but it wasn't, and as I said was substantially lower than the cuts physical stores took. They don't need whatever laymen babble language semantics to cover their asses you think they need, they just need to bring up distributor history. This has in fact been done before as well, a few years back. Steam isn't a monopoly, they're not anything approaching a monopoly, and they do not engage in any kind of anti-trust practices. Even by the considerations of legal laymen such as yourself, what you consider anti-trust behavior has already been deemed not to be back in the 90s when Microsoft was eradicating the tech industry while the USG looked the other way.
>valve is actually good for consumers
>>744730574>what you consider anti-trust behavior has already been deemed not to be back in the 90s when Microsoft was eradicating the tech industry while the USG looked the other way.Microsoft lost that case.
>>744730586>valve is bad because I'm not being served installers and I'm a single issue voter too retarded to understand theory of mind
>>7447305865 examples of valve being anti-consumer or you're full of shit
>epic>GoG>All the other game stores>Microsoft active being retarded again and planning to turn bnet into a third attempt at the windows live store
>>744725436nevar 4get>>744730016I remember Obsidian updating the Steam build of The Outer Worlds during the press conference when it was announced as an EGS exclusive. The SteamDB page had got updated for achievement support or something like that.
>>744730674They were given a slap on the wrist, and not broken up for their trouble. Valve would have to be doing a lot worse than Microsoft was doing in the 90s to get hit with anti-trust, even Google didn't get the slap down over essentially controlling browsers and search engines simply because they fund Firefox. Nothing will happen to Valve, they just need to do what they're currently doing, which is nothing.
>>744730530>>744730556
>>744730824You need to think about what the actual "price" under consideration here is. Hint, its not the price you pay for the game as a consume. Also please never go into law.
>>744730795The stickering actually costs a shitload to do, i work in wholesale and when companies ask us to do this we bill them about 50k per thousand units
>>744709265It’s literally the opposite of a monopoly. It’s probably the most textbook example of the free market working.
>>744730784price parity denying cheaper games to gamers from other stores (inb4 it's only for steam keys lie)valve neglecting their own gamesmaking lootboxes that prey on gamers instead of stuff like video games or real contentvalve refusing to implement basic features like refund unless a lawsuit forces them to do soattempting to monetize modding with modder getting only 25% of revenue, most mods were stolen, kills modding scene over night (inb4 bethesda forced valve to do it lie)
>it's a monopolyyes>but no one caresalso yes. fuck off.
>>744709265
>>744731080>price parityWorks the opposite way retard, valve wants the discounts for their users>valve neglecting their own gamesIrrelevant to steam as a purchasing platform>lootboxesYou got me there>refundHas the most robust refund policy of any digital retailer, try refunding a game on the xbox live or PSN store at all>paid modsCancelled due to community backlash and they actually listened instead of ignoring it and hoping it will go away lile sony did with the canceling of disksOnly 1/5, try better
>>744731080>valve neglecting their own gamesMan this was always the dumbest complaint ever because the games in question are 15 fucking years old. /v/ fucking hates live service shit on principle but the third worlders who subsist off csgo, dota, and TF2 cry crocodile tears that their 15 year old games aren't still getting major content updates.
>>744709437>minecraftto be fair, all their spinoff games are afaik.Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends are on steam in all their mediocrity.Otherwise, OP is a dick sucking faggot and Steam is not a monopoly, its just a superior service, thats all.
>>744731258>valve preventing customers cheaper options is actually good for consumers!retard>valve hating video games and treating gamers like shit is good actually!retard>only good features in store being forced by lawsuits is actually a sign of a pro consumer corporation!retard>daring to even attempt something as jewish as taking 75% of a free community effort is not anti consumer because they were forced to cancel it due to copyright issuesretard-4/5 kys
>>744731320all those games combined make billions a yeareven tf2 makes 7 figures bare minimumretardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQ0jeD05r0
>>744719051Jewgle buys out and scraps their competition. Valves competition either shoots themselves in the foot and cries about how evil valve is for doing so it is gog which is actually pretty good I buy lots of stuff off gog too
>>744713769Gaben partly brought this on himself, by bending the knee to the patent troll to begin with, instead of dragging that filthy kike through both as long and nasty a copyright law case as possible, and frivolous civil suits on top of that, until his life was ruined, to leave a message to other would-be parasites.He showed mercy and complacency, and Steam will pay the price for years to come because of it. To be left alone, you sometimes have to demonstrate to the envious vermin around you, that you're are not to be fucked with.
>>744731495>Still better than the competition>No games is better than only bad games>Still better than the competition>Competition actually went through with it Hmmm. Wonder why people like valve more
>>744729564>They maintain this fee above what the market equilibrium should beHow do you know that? Show me the numbers.
>>744711895Those games make more money in one day than you will in your entire life
>>744731495>no real argumentDouble retard-10/5>bringing up jews when gaben btfo'd the rothschildsIsraeli spy
>>744709265If it was up to me we'd all be using GOG. But Steam drones simply can help themselves choke on Gay Ben's cum.
>>744714359what a sad fucking thing to post jeet, piracy is for when you don't want to give money to jews, i pirate all my media except music and vidya. I just don't buy marxist or woke goyslop. Tv shows, animay, movies, i pirate them all.
>>744731652Patent Trolls sue in districts with judges that are favorable to them. There is (was until the channel got nuked by youtube) a good documentary about patent trolling where one single county in texas accounted for a fuck ton of patent cases because its boomer judge always rules in favor of the patent troll. These guy's modus operandi is always to make taking the easy way out with a settlement far better than fighting in a court that already leans in favor of the troll.
>>744709265Just do something better than steam.Look at what steam did, and do better. there's a LOT of space for improvement, like for example nor fucking using electron.However companies under shareholder control would never be able to pull this off.
>>744731682If they are better why they see the need to engage in anti competitive practices like that? It's almost like they are afraid of losing their monopoly position and deliberately enforce price parity to prevent competition from offering cheaper products to gamers. But I know you are just a retard and not a valve shill because the actual shills are instructed to use the retarded phrase "steam offers good service" and valve never admits to doing price parity officially.
>>744714768i buy games on steam, play them for awhile, and if i think they're shit, i refund before the 2 hour window is up, i also make sure to play them within 2 weeks of purchase too. i just refund to my steam wallet, cuz im always gonna just buy something else later, my superstition tells me they're more likely to accept a refund to my steam wallet than to my CC.
>>744731791then you pay for real world harassment and get some junkie negroes to burn their house down.
I tolerate it because one it's where all my multiplayer games are two they locked me in because of cheap game sales and three it's a good service. Valve is not perfect and they're definitely greedy and have made bad choices and decisions in the past but as PC gamers they're the best option. If we really wanted to protest we could demand valve removed all drm. I take a hybrid stance. I'm not going to stop buying from them but I'm also not going to trust them fully. That means if the game is on GOG I'm going to buy it there first and I'm always going to get my drm free copy. I'm never going to use Steam and trust them fully.
>>744709265>>744709310people get too hung up on whether it fits the definition of monopoly when it doesnt actually matter whether or not it's a monopolywhat matters is that it acts like a coercive anti-competitive monopoly, squeezing it's suppliers to undercut it's competitors and using every coercion and psychological manipulation in the book to gain any and every unfair advantage and parasitic extraction it can.
>>744731920This.Valve is basically taking our multiplayer pc games as hostage. That's literally the only reason we use it. Not because of "muh fucking good service".Shills really need to come up with better material.
>>744731920>If we really wanted to protest we could demand valve removed all drm.I doubt this. The devs would kick up a massive fucking stink about Valve not doing their due diligence to protect their games from piracy. GoG states up front that they don't do DRM so they get a much smaller library of games nobody expects to make a decent chunk of change from (hence why their market niche was old games patched to run on modern computers). Right now Steam's weak as shit DRM is the perfect middle ground. Its easy as fuck to bypass if you care about DRM-free games but its also a placebo for retarded devs.
>>744729351>fully in line with EU lawThere is no EU law that gives an individual resale rights on licenses. None proposed either, SKG is also not that
>>744709265>plenty of competition >not doing anything to impede competition from competing >competition is just incompetent how is it a monopoly?
>>744731715and?
>>744732157>not doing anything to impede competition from competingAside from threatening to remove people's games if they sell it for cheaper in some other store that is (inb4 it's only for steam keys lie)
>>744709265Timmy, when are you releasing the Windows based Epic Games handheld to compete with the Steam Deck?
>>744732213>competition is when you cry about steam but still need to sell there
>>744732213>(inb4 it's only for steam keys lie)>what is 2+2?>(inb4 its 4 which is a lie)
>>744732213>inb4 it's only for steam keys lieit IS only for Steam keys, Tim
>>744709310FPBP
>>744732307>>744732316No, it's not.Who the fuck told you that?
>>744709265Okay, I'll bite. How do you propose to fix it?
>>744709265>It's a monopoly isn't>but no one caresbecause it's not a monopolyfuck off and learn english
>>744709716Steam is an anomaly. Nearly every other company that achieves a monopoly immediately becomes corrupt and tries to take advantage of it to exploit consumers. Steam is the exception because it's founder happens to have some integrity and had the foresight not to become a publicly traded company.
>>744732442Disband their business if they don't stop with the price fixing bullshit. They offer a """"good"""" service right? Then they have nothing to fear. Allow devs to sell their games wherever they want at any price.
>>744709437you forgot league of legendsand valorantand overwatchand diabloand literally every nintendo game ever
I hate to borrow Tendie terminology but the Steam Derangement is a real phenomena at this point. Steam and Valve by proxy are far from the biggest evils of the industry. But you enter threads like these and fags are grasping for the thinest, smallest of straws to bitch about. And its always the same pattern of behavior:>[absurd claim or extreme exaggeration of a non-issue]>poster gets the slightest pushback >CULTIST STEAMIE PCVEGAN!!!!!!!!You see this shit in consolewar threads but atleast there its a somewhat even number of posters in favor/against whatever console is the topic. But in these threads its like 1-2 posters fighting the entire fucking thread and pretending they are moral crusaders of truth. Its fucking weird like they were the victim of an irl NTR doujin where the fat ugly bastard Gaben stole their waifu and now have a permanent vendetta.
How is it a monopoly? Literally every company out there has their own store and launcher.
>>744732547It's worse.Steam lives off the money they get from the consumers because they're note a publicly traded company, so "voting with the wallet" works on em.Public companies in general have by law to obey the shareholders, and the shareholders are aiming at explosive stock value gains, even if this means killing the company in the process.
>>744732568Devs are allowed to sell their games anywhere thoughIts not price fixing to ask for the same discounts as any other platform or they won't list the product. Retailers for literally every kind of product in the world have these agreements
>>744732547steam hasn't achieved a monopoly, so no, it isn't an anomaly, retard
>>744732568Devs can do that already. If they don't put their game on Steam at all there is nothing Steam can do about the price. What are they gonna do, threaten not to sell it? lmao.
>>744732151>SKG is also not thatwanna try again?
>>744732213>Aside from threatening to remove people's games if they sell it for cheaper in some other storeValve doesnt do this, the only price Valve demands is for free Steam keys (the ones the dev can print an inifinite amount of while giving Valve 0 dollars). This is completely fine as you cant just demand to use all of Valves infrastructure for free.Devs can sell their games on other platforms for cheaper (as long as those are not Steam keys and dont use Steam) or for whatever price if it is a Steam key and Valve was BOUGHT from Valve.Why do you insist on constantly lying about everything Timmy? If you spent half as much on having feature parity with Steam as you do on hiring shills and exclusives you would actually stand a chance at competing.But no, shell out hundreds of millions for exclusives or timed exclusives instead of paying some software dev to add in a forum and user reviews.
>>744732568>allow other parties to fuck up their reputation by using steam as an advertising platform steam would just resort to pc store exclusivity and then what happens?timmy shits out blood as his retarded storefront crusade gets his own platform completely buried with a strategy he himself approved of and used
Deltarune ,
>>744709265Lack of skill on your end not finding other points of sale for your modern propaganda slop games.
>>744732873Lmao you actually dont know shit?That tweet has nothing to do with what I said and SKG has nothing to do with giving individuals resale rights on licenses.
>>744732568if steam loses the lawsuit from the man that consorts with beasts, they should absolutely and immediately issue exclusivity contracts to every single developer and publisher on the platform just like epic games and if they dont like it, they can fuck right off
>>744732652it's just shills and they are really fucking bad at their job
A monopoly by definition implies that the company tries to undermine or outright remove/buy out the competition.
>>744732793Valve actually does that.Do you know any game that's sold cheaper elsewhere? No? That's because it's forbidden by Valve.>>744732710It's actually not legal to use your dominant position to screw over competition with anti competitive practices hence people crying about Valve monopoly.People moan and cry about epic exclusivity but realistically wtf are you supposed to do? People won't leave steam because their libraries are there. Devs can't sell their games cheaper elsewhere because Valve will kick them from store if they try that. There is no way to compete with steam because it engages in anti competitive practices. But law is a meme so no one cares.
>>744730016>they poached games that had promised Steam release from Kickstarter and they also took Rocket League off Steam too. And Fallguys I think? I don't play that crap.This was different. I remember because the game was already selling on Steam as a preorder. Then a week or so later, it was pulled away. People who already pre-ordered there could play the game on Steam at release, and whoever came late had to either wait a year or go through EGS.I know because I pre-ordered through Steam and literally saw the market page not having a "buy" button anymore some day later.
>>744733328A monopoly has no competition because it already did those things, what you're referring to is anti-trust action.
>>744733328not necessarily, you can have a monopoly on a product you make, it's not illegal to be the only one to sell it, the competition can sell their own versions
>>744733452Like imagine some supermarket kicking you out because you sold your product slightly cheaper at another store. Doesn't sound fair does it?
>>744733452It is completely legal, you are ignorant of the law and proving yourself a drooling retard
>>744733582What are you a lawyer?The point is, nigger; laws are meme and can be bypasses easily. Valve would be in trouble if they revealed the reason they kick some devs from their store publicly. BECAUSE ITS LITERALLY ILLEGALValve again would be in trouble if they sold gambling in certain countries but it's okay because they use a loophole with x-ray crates.stop being a retarded neet holy shit
>>744733452>Do you know any game that's sold cheaper elsewhere?Key sites and Humble BundleEA app has sales not related to Steam sales?Get new material Timmy
>>744733732Its not illegalScreeching like a retard ain't gonna change that
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>>744733938Refusing to stock a product is not abuse of a dominant market positionThere is no hope for you of you are this stupid
good companies become monopoliesvalve is a good company
correct. i do not care. praise gaben.
>>744733997>Goldstein builds overpriced bridges at vital locations>Goldstein says: You can't use my bridge if i ever catch you using that cheaper bridge there>Oh no goyim, see: Everyone uses my bridge because i offer better services
>>744731995>people get too hung up on whether it fits the definition of monopoly when it doesnt actually matter whether or not it's a monopoly>If it fits the definition of a monopoly>whether or not it's a monopoly
>>744734152You just compared games to vital infrastructureRemove yourself from the gene pool
>>744734152You're asking to use the big bridge while trying to sabotage its business Pick one faggot Commit to the small bridge or obey the rules
>>744734152Found a nigger.
>>744731842The wolfire lawsuit is bullshit you dumb fucking retard. If steam actually had the rule someone should have leaked it by now
>>744709265A monopoly is atually good if done by a consumer friendly company, you know, like Valve is. Besides, Valve's monopoly is exclusively due to the competition sucking major dick and balls>EpicWants to turn PC gaming into Console gaming 2.0>GoGLies about ownership to trick fools into buying games on their storefront, they also have plans to paywall their store behind a patreon sub, meaning you have to pay to pay for games, it's retardedMeanwhile Valve is the only company that allows you to truly own all your games, because DRM on Steam is just a suggestion and can be easily bypassed, even denuvo can be easily bypassed on Steam with a few clicks, among many other benefits of the Steam storefront
>>744709265Nope, not by any stretch of the definition. Get bent faggot, you're probably some worthless Russian or Chinaman.
>>744734152>has to fabricate an entirely made up scenario that isn't a proper comparisonIts more like this>be you>own an orange juice company>sell your juice for a dollar to retailers>one retailer says they'll buy it for 80 cents but take more volume>other retailers simply switch to another brand of OJ because its not worth competing with people who get a higher margin
>>744734217Selling your games is vital as a dev to make money.And steam is the goldstein that prevents you from using other bridges by threatening to stop doing business with you.This violates fair competition.
>>744732316not according to steam staff putting the screws to their product suppliers
>>744734757>that prevents you from using other bridges by threatening to stop doing business with youThey literally just have to charge the same rates on steam as they do anywhere else. They can charge as low as they like on any other storefront, so long as the steam price matches it. What is wrong with this?
>>744734818ask≠demand
>>744734936It's also bullshit or unenforced I see games on epic every now and then cheaper than steam. It's very likely they ask the developer to change it but when denied they just say ok
>>744719051Google could've kept their near full monopoly on search engines but they're so fucking incompetent that many would rather use sites like DuckDuckGo, Yandex or even Bing
>>744735296It wasn't incompetence, it was a deliberate pivot to selling their users to companies, and then they went crazy in 2016 along with everybody else in trying to social engineer the entire planet.
>>744734936>They literally just have to charge the same rates on steam as they do anywhere elseNot the retard you are arguing with but that isnt even true. Steam only enforces price party for keys they give to devs for free.
>>744734936>What is wrong with this?It prevents competition from competing. The main way different stores compete is through cheaper prices and exclusivity. Valve is already dominating pc market because of 20 years of steam libraries so the sunk cost effect causes customer base to prefer steam first just because of their already established steam libraries, they also have the price parity which prevents competition altogether. That only leaves exclusivity. You basically have to make kino after kino and sell it at your own store while dodging retards telling you to sell your game at steam. Even then if you beat steam the new store will just become a second monopoly and basically turn into steam 2 and nothing will stop it from exploiting devs and customers like valve is doing right now.That's why we have things called anti competition laws. To stop monopoly from forming. Any retard claiming Valve is not monopoly or monopoly is good for devs/gamers need to jump off a cliff. You don't get any benefit from monopoly. You would benefit more from Valve suffering consequences of their actions. Cheaper prices in other stores means Valve will be forced to be less jewish and offer you cheaper options as well or risk losing you to competition. Can't you see by defending Valve you are only hurting your own interests? You gain nothing from Valve's monopoly.
>>744735463>It prevents competition from competingSo don't sell on steam to begin with
>>744735514read before posting
>>744735463Timmy, you litterally pay devs/publishers money to be exclusive on your platform. This isnt a case of the pot calling the kettle black, this is you being a nigger, fucking stop.
>>744735561No, because you're yapping about "durr steamies won't buy elsewhere" as if that's Valve's fault. The best selling games in the world aren't even on Steam by the way, so your argument just falls apart. It could be mayhaps that devs are just selling dogshit that no one wants and the only reason they get sales at all is thanks to hefty sales on Steam. There is data to support this being the case as well.
>>744735567Exclusivity would only work if you manage to do it with multiple games over longer periods like years, talking multiple kino after kino giving opportunity to build an enormous customer simp but that's a big task especially now that gayming is dying. Gabe is busy extracting whatever left of gayming before shit falls apart.>>744735678If you are not the best selling game you have no choice but to sell at steam. Best selling game will of course refuse the steam tax. others don't have this luxury. Enjoy 30% indie bros.
>>744731995>that it acts like a coercive anti-competitive monopoly,That's only for steam keys though. You can sell your game for any price on itch.io or whatever
>>744735820>If you are not the best selling game you have no choice but to sell at steamThey do have a choice, they just don't have a choice the guarantees them all the money ever, which is the only real point of this whole argument they give a fuck about.Again, the highest selling games in the world are pretty specifically not on steam, and putting those aside there are plenty of blowout successes from smaller devs that sell independently of any of the established storefronts. Indies just need to make a good game that people want and market it effectively rather than get so mad at the market not doing what they want that they call for government intervention in a non-critical industry.
>>744711912kek
>>744709265A natural monopoly isn't an inherently bad thing. Valve is simply better than all the competition which is why the market prefers it to the Epic Games Store. >>744734757>This violates fair competition.You can publish your games on Itch.io, the Epic Games Store, or any other online vendor you want.>>744735463Nigger hands made this post. >That's why we have things called anti competition laws. To stop monopoly from formingRight, because the biggest, most corrupt monopoly in the world, the US government, should be the ones responsible for regulating private enterprise and picking winners and losers in the economy. Every single of these anti-competition laws only end up hurting the economy and creating artificial monopolies where there weren't any.
>>744735561You don't compete with steam by selling on steam, you faggot aquajeetThat's just the developer maximising revenue
>>744731080it's only for steam keys
>>744736063If your indie game gets even a tiny attention the first thing everyone will ask is: "When steam release?" "No steam = no buy"Indies don't have a real choice unless you are dishonest enough to argue everyone should just make another minecraft bro
>>744736078>Right, because the biggest, most corrupt monopoly in the world, the US government, should be the ones responsible for regulating private enterprise and picking winners and losers in the economy.When you say it like that, that makes every struggle in life futile doesn't it? Why try to make a small difference about a hobby you care about when evil pedos rule you?
>>744709265epic has a genuine monopoly on full CG and it's so oppressive that multiple multinational companies are making both modern and old games unplayable at costs that are completely made up and currently roughly 5x the price of their value
>>744736185Once again, louder and slower so everyone understands: Steam being as successful as it is is not a monopoly, it is a good business model that a lot of people like. Gabe does not buy out and destroy other companies nor does he prevent them from being made.
>>744736360>nor does he prevent them from being madeOnce again, louder and slower so everyone understands:Valve kicks you out if you sell your games cheaper in other stores. Thus preventing competition.
>>744711067you don't need billion to make a basket tim
>>744736450Sales platforms are under no legal obligation to stock every product you fucking moron
>>744709437>>744709310>>744709471From a developer's perspective, Valve represents a monopoly for every developer who does not have billions of dollars to compete with Valve's distribution and market access. If the person reviewing your game submission through the Steamworks process is having a bad day, they can deny it for any reason with no recourse, and you have no avenue to appeal any obvious mistakes or bias against you, because the Steamworks process does not allow appeals, for some fucking "reason.">just upload your game to itchio or your own site where no one will fucking see it bro!This is not a solution for any independent developer without billions of dollars to compete, and you know it. You're arguing in bad faith when you make this argument.
>>744736185>"When steam release?" "No steam = no buy"Again, why would you ask for government intervention for something Valve is not responsible for?>Indies don't have a real choice unless you are dishonest enough to argue everyone should just make another minecraft broIndies chose to make and sell a game, they are not guaranteed nor owed financial success for their investment. The onus is entirely on them to find success by appealing to the market, whatever form that takes. Many have managed to do so without Steam because they had a good idea and put it out at the right time, it is quite simply a matter of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
>>744736550Then why Valve tries to hide this from people? They don't publicly disclose that you can't sell games cheaper elsewhere.
>Steam isn't a monopoly, there are other stores or you can make your own site, heh>What? No, nobody should ever buy games unless they're on Steam, me and millions of other players all agree and say the same thing online: "No steam, no buy!"Monopoly.
>>744736643>pulling themselves up by their bootstrapsoh, you got me goodi thought you were serious for a second there
>>744736624>>just upload your game to itchio or your own site where no one will fucking see it bro!>This is not a solution for any independent developer without billions of dollars to compete,Sounds like you're a shitty developer then.
>>744709265Rothschild, sds individuals and epic drones seem to care
>>744736771I'm very serious, I'm just using phrases I know will get you upset so you make blunders like this.
>>744732612Overwatch is on Steam
>>744711884also keep in mindTim PAID dev to sell their games only on epic for years, this is a real monopoly
>>744736747>Steam deserves to have competition but I'm still going to maximise revenue by selling there, thus not giving anyone a reason to switch >Those platforms shouldn't actually try competing, they deserve customers purely because they're not steam
>>744736747>monopoly is when the customers agreeYou heard it here, folksters!
>>744736780This. Advertising is very important for games, indies need to have some degree of business sense, not just an ability to code, make art and compose music. You can ask any youtuber how tough it is to get eyes on their channel and build an audience, same shit for indie games. There's some luck involved in going viral, but it's mostly just about having something people actually want.
>>744731920>>744732082good morning saar, redeem GOG yes?
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>>744737010>competing store front reduces prices of games while compensating devIt's that easy to compete with steam if they didn't engage in illegal price fixing and threaten to kick devs
>>744735820>Valve is bad because the service they offer is too good, thats a monopoly>Epic litterally buying contracts so that devs cant release their games on any store other than EGS is good, actuallyLmao Timmy, this is just sad.
>>744732179and so 5 of the most successful games in the world aren't on steam. therefore steam is not a monopoly. who gives a shit if you personally think they suck? the market says otherwise.
>>744731080>making lootboxes that prey on gamers instead of stuff like video games or real contentI don't get it, I like steam lootbox, I can sell what I loot by playing game to buy more gamesin other games, I can't even gift a friend with it
>>744736624You're making a fallacious argument and essentially blaming Valve for their competitors being complete fucking retards who dump tens if not hundreds of millions into alternative stores and completely fail so monumentally that Valve isn't even aware that the competition existed until after said competition already shut down.It's obvious that competitors are just praying and waiting for the government to do something(which is likely to eventually happen because a fuckton of very powerful people/corporations/organizations absolutely despise Valve) so they can step in with their dogshit services and start making money without putting in any effort. It took EGS several fucking years just to implement a shopping cart. It deserves to fail.
Guys, the shill you are arguing with litterally said that Epic paying for EGS exclusivity is not a monopoly, Valve letting devs sell on multiple platforms somehow is. Dont feed the troll / argue with the shill
