Its definetly A.
>>744711604Yeah it's A
Its B, btw did i mention im trans
i just don't see how anyone could choose B. the cube isn't getting any momentum from it's platform, and the portal won't transfer it's momentum to the cube. it's essentially just that "hole in the wall" show but with portals.https://youtu.be/6DYJXSSgW08?si=qBb0NbjH2RcRQbSY
>>744711604>>744711791A doesn't make any sense. If A was true, physics would just break. Because no matter how fast the orange portal is moving, there would never be any air coming out of the Blue Portal. You could have a giant Dildo going into Orange and just whirl it around out of Blue with no air resistance.B has to be correct or a bunch of stupid shit is going to happen. You could have objects moving at almost infinite kilometers a second and just a do a sudden full stop, when coming out of Blue with no aftershock or any transfer of energy. The movement would just suddenly stop, but not even be transferred to something else, not even to heat. It fundamentally would not make sense, if A was true.
>>744711604We all know it's A, Btards are the kind of people who can't see the apple
>>744714984No, you're wrong, portals are magic
>>744714984The cube isn't moving at all. Magic portals are moving. Almost like portals break physics.
>it's a hula hoophow do you respond without sounding angry
>>744715386Doesn't matter, if it's magic. Portal magic can only influence portals and not literally everything else outside of it. That would be reality manipulation magic, not portal magic.>>744715440They do not break physics. They only break physics, if you want them to converse momentum, but also not at the same time. Choose one. Either the portal conserves momentum or everything gets materialized like it's being newly created without any momentum.>>744715504Well, it can't be a hula hoop, because one half of the hula hoop is moving and that momentum needs to go somewhere. Either the other half of the hula hoop moves with the same momentum or it's stationary, but what comes out of the hula hoop is moving. It can't just go literally nowhere and disappear without a trace.
>>744715604>portals don’t break physicsOpinion safely discarded
>>744715604>because one half of the hula hoop is moving and that momentum needs to go somewherewrongtwo seperate hula hoops
>>744715835Depends on the portal. B doesn't break physics and can work within our current understanding. A absolutely cannot work and would break everything.>>744715903Okay, then it's not even a functioning portal then, if nothing can come out of the other hula hoop at speeds faster than 0/s.>>744715960good illustration, I wonder if A-fags will learn from this
>>744711604Correct
>>744715386B aknowledges that portals are magic/scifi, and lets the magic/scifi happen in the threshold of the portal, not outside it.If an object exits the portal at 100km/h, the magic is already done and the object keeps moving at that speed as physics apply. The portal does nothing to stop the object once it's out.
Ending proves B
I was an Afag because that's the most intuitive option, then a physics major explained frames of reference to me and I switched to B.
>>744714984>You could have objects moving at almost infinite kilometers a secondAnon, speed = distance/time. When you go through a portal you cross any distance instantaneously. Any time anything goes through a portal it is moving at infinite kilometres per second.
>>744716272The suction is the flow of air into a vacuum, stupid
>>744716380I am talking about momentum though, not the distance between portals. That is irrelevant to the discussion. The portals can connect to ends of the universe or be right next to each other. Wouldn't change the momentum of the objects coming out of them.
>>744716486>momentum thoughThen why did you say the speed
>>744716516Everything I said is valid. An object coming out of a portal is NOT travelling at infinite speed in relation to either the entry or exit portal in the typical A and B examples. You are just completely wrong. They way you think about these things is wrong.
>>744712865>i just don't see how anyone could choose BIt's simple. The cube is moving towards the portal so it will keep moving after passign through.>it's essentially just that "hole in the wall" show but with portals.It's not since one end of the hole is moving at a different velocity than the other. If you had 2 portals back to back, then it would be like that.
>>744716420>missing the point this hard>thinking you have the right to call others stupid
>>744716590Speed = distance/time. Do the math, stupid.
A on earth gravityB on zero gravity
>>744716746>2 posts in>Still can't explain his pointNor will you, this is just a time wasting exercise for you
>>744716792>zero gravityNo such thing
>>744711604what if you had A-type portals AND B-type portals
what if you put your penis inside
>>744715960>see? If I completely change the scenario on this ebin meme you can see it's BBfags everyone
>>744711791The real question here is why does the cube go back through the portal when the yellow portal goes back up? When the yellow portal moves it changes its position in space, it's no longer linking the base of the platform with the platform on the blue side. It's linking it to now empty space. The most plausible scenario is that everything on the blue side gets sheared off and falls back down.
>>744716794Fine. I'll spoonfeed you. Open up wide.I don't have the numbers, but the moon is moving at FUCKHUGE km/s over the surface of the earth. When Chell enters the portal, she emerges at 0km/s relative to the surface of the moon (yes, she flies away due to the vaccuum, but we only care about her velocity along the same axis the moon is moving) instead of flying away at FUCKHUGE km/s. This means she's now moving at FUCKHUGE km/s relative to the surface of the earth when she was previously moving at 0 km/s relative to it. Thus, you exit a portal at the same velocity relative to the exit portal as the velocity relative to the entry portal that you entered it at, or in simpler terms, Relative velocity in = Relative velocity out, or even simpler, speedy thing go in speedy thing come out. Thus, B.
>>744717115>When Chell enters the portal, she emerges at 0km/s relative to the surface of the moonYes which is what happens in A
>>744716881>2026>Afags STILL can't understand the concept of proving a theory by showing it working the same in multiple scenariosIt's not even funny at this point.
b folks were always class clowns and still can't stop
>>744717157No. What would happen in A is that she'd keep the absolute velocity (which is absurd in and of itself since the existence of an absolute reference frame would break physics) she had before entering and stay suspended over the same part of the earth as where she emerged while the moon flies away at FUCKHUGE km/s.
>>744717297>No. What would happen in ALet's not talk about what would happen, let's talk about what does happen. If you cast your eyes at the cartoon in the OP, you will see the cube emerge from A at 0kms relative to the surface of A. This is what happens to Chell on the moon. Goodbye.
>>744717409>If you cast your eyes at the cartoon in the OPthen I would notice that the entry and exit portal are on the same planet and thus it can't be directly applied to a different scenario where they're on different planets or a planet and moon.
>>744715960idg why did A guy die?
>>744711604It's a paradox. The cube is both moving and not moving at the same time and the Universe is moving with reference to itself. Moving portals mean all points in the Universe are moving at infinite speed away from themselves. The A and B debate cannot exist as it is the logical equivalent of "this sentence is false." This is why there's a constant debate. At at given time both A and B can be justified as correct.
>>744715960What? This doesn’t even make sense do you think you proved anything by drawing your schizo scenario?
>>744717871>schizo scenariobe nice. He is the most sane Bfag
>>744717710Momentum is a vector, meaning it has a direction. If portals conserve momentum like Afags claim, the guy would continue falling down after exiting the portal and get sliced in half by the portal edge, then smear down a wall.
>>744711604Explain this, faggot.
>>744717115Chill emerges from the moon suddenly having the orbital velocity of the moon (in the direction of the moons movement vector) which is why when she emerges in space she’s not suddenly stranded in empty space as the moon flies away, this means the answer is A you fucking retard. The blue portal isn’t moving
B depends on the kinetic energy of the orange portal platform somehow being transferred into the cubeRelative momentum doesn't mean shit when there is no force affecting the cube, but even the A is still not what would really happen, it would roll for a little bit as the exit portal is at a 45 degree angle
>>744717154that's how it works, yes
>>744718074changing the shape of space moves objects in itthats how gravity works
>>744718074Portals transferring energy without force is one of their core uses. This all the time in the games.
>>744717154Don't mormans do this to get away with having sex? Except they get a third person to shake the bed to move the other two.
>>744717967He would be falling down, but he would be pushed by the rest of his body at the same speed until he is fully out of the portal.He would just die by falling, not getting sliced.
>>744711791Yup, it’s a.
i used to be A. why would it move? But then i realized that as soon as the cube enters the portal it's going to gain momentum from the blue portals POV, causing it to fly away when the portal stops. like holding a ball in your hand, raising your hand quickly and then stopping, causing the ball to jump up.
>>744714984Portals moving relative to each other is what breaks physics. So you want the most "realistic" answer within the sci-fi premise it's gonna be: any attempt to move existing portal would make it disappear.
>>744718074>is still not what would really happenBoth examples are simplified to focus on the core of the problem. It's also understood that B would fall in a natural arc based on its speed rather than flying straight.
>>744717967You literally just made up something stupid to claim you are correct you're not
>>744716057>object moves from one spot to another instantly without touching any of the space in between>this somehow doesn’t break physics
>>744711604It just works.
>>744711604It is B.Think about if you're standing where the cube is and the orange portal is dropped down on you QUICKLY, and also think about what it would be like if the orange portal dropped onto you slowly.They are obviously not identical experiences, right? If it drops down on your quickly you by definition EXIT the portal QUICKLY. If it drops down on your head slowly, you exit the portal slowly. That is an important distinction. It cannot be A, because depending on how fast the orange portal drops down necessarily affects how fast the object exits the portal.
>>744718509Except that’s inconsistent with the games since both the earth and the moon are in constant motion.
It's obviously A. The portal is descending, the cube is inert. The hydraulic portal press is too small to engulf the podium. Once the cube has exited the portal, still inert, it is only subject to gravity, and thus it will plop at the speed of gravity. >>744711791This is different, the podium is no longer inert, the base of the blue portal is inert, all the momentum of the orange portal would be transferred to the cube, causing it to bounce up as the orange portal retreated.
>>744718736>if you slam a hoolahoop down around you fast enough you’ll be flung into the air
>>744718874See>>744718692
>>744718796That's why I specified "relative to each other".
>>744718874I don't know what that has to do with my statement. If an orange portal slams down on you fast, you will have traversed through the blue portal faster than if the orange portal slowly descends on your head.Let's say it takes 1 second for the orange portal to fully engulf you and take you to the other side where the blue portal is. And compare that to if the orange portal takes 10 seconds to fully engulf you. Did you by definition, more quickly leave the blue portal? You left the blue portal by a whole 9 second difference.Now, consider if the orange portal dropped down and fully engulfs you in 1 millisecond. It means it takes 1 millisecond to leave the blue portal compared to 10 seconds to leave the blue portal. If you just "plop" out the other side, you would be crushed into jelly. You must by definition exit the other side very quickly or your molecules would be crushed.
Think about it.B fags are allowed to vote.How horrifying.
>>744711604Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing goes out.
>>744719045>Now, consider if the orange portal dropped down and fully engulfs you in 1 millisecond. It means it takes 1 millisecond to leave the blue portal compared to 10 seconds to leave the blue portal.At no point is any force actually exerted on you.
>>744714984The problems with A are worse than that. It doesn't even define the trajectory. There's no way to determine precisely how it should "plop".
>>744719247Still thing goes in, still thing goes out.
>>744719045you don't magically gain more more momentum because the portal is coming at you fast. The portal is literally just another point in space time. It doesn't matter if you you quickly or slowly phase into another point in space-time if you're standing still. You'll still be standing still, you'll just be standing still over there instead of over here. How quickly there becomes here, doesn't become your momentum. You could instantly appear over there or you could slowly appear over there as you slowly disappear from over here. Imagine a teleporter, one that teleported you instantly, and one that teleported you slowly as you faded into particles and reconstituted elsewhere. Does the instant teleporter suddenly shoot you out at relativistic speeds? Obviously not.
>>744719260>>744719352How do you reconcile that if the orange portal takes 1ms to completely drop down on you, you must leave the blue portal within 1ms, yet it gently... plops out the blue portal? A gentle plop takes a second or two, yet you're forced out within 1ms.
Abros... What's the cope?
>>744719363Bro there is no point, if A-friends' brains were powerful enough to simulate that they would not be A-friends.
>>744719363>How do you reconcile that if the orange portal takes 1ms to completely drop down on you, you must leave the blue portal within 1ms, yet it gently... plops out the blue portal? A gentle plop takes a second or two, yet you're forced out within 1ms.you're in the air for a short amount of time before gently plopping
>>744719363>You're forced out.You're not. It's literally just a gap in space time. It exerts no force on you at all. If you must leave the portal within 1ms, then you leave the portal within 1ms.
>>744719392>imparting its velocity on it will send it flyingwrong from step 2
>>744719392>reddit frogyou just made an argument in favor of A
>an object at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by an external force>portals have never once ever exerted force in Portal or Portal 2Well that was easy
>>744719462so an objecting pushing another does not impart velocity onto it? This is the type of mental gymnastics Afags go through...
>>744719462>>744719392It's right but it breaks the hypothetical by introducing an unstated component, that is a hereto unstated imperfection in the design that allows a fraction of the podium to exit with the box, allowing the momentum of the portal to transfer from the fixed podium into the box.If there is no overlap then there is no transference of momentum and the box just plops out because the exit portal is 45 degrees and once more of the weight of the box is on that angle and less on the flat podium it starts to fall down
>>744719003>>744719045At no point does the object‘s momentum change.
>>744719593Portals change objects' momentum all the time in the game. Momentum is a vector.
>>744719417You are, but you are also moving at a speed that depends on how fast the orange portal was descending. If it was descending slowly, you are moved out the blue portal slowly (e.g. 10 seconds). If it was descending quickly, you are moved out the blue portal quickly (e.g. 1ms).>>744719428If everything exits the portal as a constant speed, where it just slowly exits and plops near the ground, then any speed that the orange portal exceeds that constant will crush the object.So if you leave the blue portal and it takes 3 seconds to slowly exit and plop, if you force the orange portal down in 1ms, you will be turned into bloody paste, then you do the slow 3 second plop.
>>744719548it still doesn't shoot out at an even 10/s because the instant more of the weight of the box is on the other side of the portal it starts to slip due to gravity, and the force exerted by the podium is not centered, thus rather than push the box off it deflects the box off. It won't travel as far as the same box moving at 10/s
>>744719548its not pushing the second cubeit has no force to push it
>>744719651>You are, but you are also moving at a speedyou're not moving at a speedyou're appearing at a speedat no point is any force affecting you
>>744719620You always enter and exit the portal with the same momentum just pointed in a different direction.
>>744719657And what is it doing? Phasing through it?
>>744719651>If everything exits the portal as a constant speed, where it just slowly exits and plops near the ground, then any speed that the orange portal exceeds that constant will crush the object.The speed of exit is relative to the speed of entry only. A slow moving portal spits you out slowly, a fast moving portal spits you out quickly. Your frame of reference remains inert.
I don’t know what’s funnier, bfags trying to gaslight anons, or anons actually falling for it.
Let's think of a case where the portal stops halfway through the cube such that the upper half is through the portal while the lower half is in the platform.Would the momentum of the upper half be preserved and pull the lower half up causing it to jump into the portal? Or would the cube stay stationary?
>>744711604It's definitely [reality violently implodes upon the very first manifestation of portals]
>>744719717That is not the same momentum. Momentum is a vector.
>>744719727the portal breaks
>>744719793The upper half doesn’t actually have any momentum in the traditional sense, space is moving around it.
>>744719703You are moving... Moving means your coordinates are changing in space. That is what it means to have moved an object, the coordinate of where the object was has changed.Your coordinates are shifting at an accelerated speed, if that makes it more clear.>>744719764>A slow moving portal spits you out slowly, a fast moving portal spits you out quickly.Correct! Now in what manner could you be spit out quickly if the orange portal takes 1 nanosecond to drop down completely to your feet? Your entire body including your feet must have moved to the other side within 1ns. This movement has speed. You cannot just slowly plop out the other side in 1ns.
>>744719462The black box is hanging outside of the portal. If you claim that pushing it with the gray box does not impart velocity to it you have some serious explanation to do.
>>744719363You do leave the portal in 1 ms.You just don't continue flying after you're fully out.
>>744719891>Correct! Now in what manner could you be spit out quickly if the orange portal takes 1 nanosecond to drop down completely to your feet? Your entire body including your feet must have moved to the other side within 1ns. This movement has speed. You cannot just slowly plop out the other side in 1ns.I fell into your trap, the framing is wrong, the portal doesn't "spit you out" it doesn't do anything, it exerts no force. Another anon said appear, and that is correct. You either appear quickly, or you appear slowly. The speed of your appearance is completely irrelevant to your FoR's momentum.
>>744719891>Moving means your coordinates are changing in space.if portals existed, the definition would have to be changed because you don't move when a portal moves over youyou instantly disappear and reappearyour speed never changes at any point
>>744711604It's neither. Portals cannot move relative to each other without gravity propagating through them as well. And if gravity does, then it behaves somewhere in the middle of the two.
>>744719929a still box and a still box are collidingthey just touch each other, exerting no forcethe portal can't transport anything even further so it just breaksthe cube is either cut in half or shunted spacially
>>744719994It's not a trap, it's that you see the contradiction in your argument and avoiding it. You are unable to explain how your body can be moved out quickly, yet decelerated to a constant speed where it slowly plops. Once you see this contradiction, you'll start to see why being launched out as a missile makes sense, because there you are moving VERY FAST out the blue portal, and there is NO FORCE to SLOW YOU DOWN.
>>744719998everything in the universe is always moving
>>744720104except portals
>>744719653>the instant more of the weight of the box is on the other side of the portal it starts to slipit STARTS slipping, it doesnt automatically slip entirely, the exit blue portal is still facing upwards and diagonal, so the cube has to fight against gravity and it would be an even slower slip, it wouldnt be fast enough and the cube would still be touching the platform, then the impact of the two platforms shakes, transfers to the cube, and it goes shooting, it all happens very rapidly
>>744720095>You are unable to explain how your body can be moved out quickly, yet decelerated to a constant speed where it slowly plops.the body never actually moved quickly, it's just an illusion from it disappearing and reappearing
>>744719998The problem is the blue portal doesn't move and is anchored to the ground, so YOU must move outside the portal at a speed that matches the speed of the orange portal's descent. If the orange portal descent is 60mph, the tip of your head will move 60mph outside the blue portal to make space for the rest of your body to move through the portal. When your moving is moving in this manner, it has a speed, and there is no opposing force to slow it down to 0 for you to have a slow plop.
>>744720007If the orange portal has a gravitational differential, then it would impart momentum through the blue portal because the gravitational pull would give momentum to the cube before it entered the portal. But if there is no differential, then the normal behaviour is A.Saying "but what if gravity differential" is the same as saying "but what if the blue portal is at the bottom of the ocean" The entire podium would be shredded under 15k PSI
>>744720183I'm not arguing from the point of view portals are illusions though, I'm arguing from the point of view if portals are real.
>>744720072What's the difference between a still box and a moving box?
>>744720158Yes, but you'd shoot out at maybe ~9.1-9.9m/s not 10m/s
>>744720194>so YOU must move outside the portal at a speed that matches the speed of the orange portal's descentwhy?>If the orange portal descent is 60mph, the tip of your head will move 60mph outside the blue portal to make space for the rest of your body to move through the portal.wrongyou're disappearing and reappearing at a percieved rate of 60 mphat no point is a force moving you
>>744715960Has the person who drew this never played Portal before?
>>744720095Your body isn't moved. Your position in space time changes. These are not the same, in process or result. You can think of it as the universe instantly moving around you. It doesn't matter if the universe moves slowly around you or if it moves around you instantly.
>>744719260Bro, lets say a hula hoop is dropped around you at mach 15, it needs to displace somthing, jusy because the hula hoop isn't acting on uou directly doesn't mean that there isn't any force exerted.
>>744720227good thing the only illusion is the illusion of movement then retard>>744720231movementneither moveboth are stillthe portal is trying to add force that it doesn't have and doesn't exist
>>744720286see >>744711791A is retArded
>>744720286Your diagram indicates that over half of the box is permitted through the portal, in which case it starts to slide off the podium
>>744720326a hula hoop can only exact force if it has weight
>>744720326has it been proven that portals have mass? If they don't have mass then it doesn't matter how fast they are.
>>744720327>Your head being at coordinate x:0 at time t, and then being at coordinate x:10 at time t + 1 isn't movementBut that is the definition of movement. An object's coordinate has shifted. How is this an illusion?
>>744717991>Chill emerges from the moon suddenly having the orbital velocity of the moon (in the direction of the moons movement vector) which is why when she emerges in space she’s not suddenly stranded in empty space as the moon flies awayCorrect so far.>this means the answer is A you fucking retardThe retard here is you. It means the exact opposite. In A, the object keeps its previous absolute velocity. In B, its velocity is set so it's the same relative to the portal. This is what happens in the moon scene.>The blue portal isn’t movingHoly shit what a retard.
The thing is that portals make relative velocity a factor. The cube itself has no velocity EXCEPT from the relative point of view of the exit portal, which means that the cube at the same time does and does not have velocity.There is nothing in the natural world that works like this, so making an argument (in either direction) based on contemporary understanding of physics is fundamentally flawed.
>>744720352Pretend the picture was this, then.
>>744720404>But that is the definition of movement.it has to change when portal are involved if you believe that movement has to involve forceits moving without force; teleporting, disappearing and reappearing at once
>>744720279>you're disappearing and reappearing at a percieved rate of 60 mphElaborate on this. You keep saying it's disappearing or appearing, but what does a subject feel? Compare their experience when it slowly descends where it takes 10 seconds, and compare their experience when it take 1ms to fully descend.
>>744718074>B depends on the kinetic energy of the orange portal platform somehow being transferred into the cube It does not. It depends on the cube that's already moving continuing that motion, also known as Newton's first law. This is also what's seen in every portal interaction in both games.>there is no force affecting the cubeWhy should there be a force?
>>744720423pseudalicious cop outif you asked that fag in your picture (I forget his name), he would say B because A is retarded and is not even well-defined
>>744720452??? Then A plops because it's even closer to the edge of the podium and has even less to fall before it drops out the other side of the portal.
>>744720216It cannot ever behave like A because you could detetermine the universal reference frame.
>>744720452why does b magically start floating?
>>744720480>but what does a subject feel? Compare their experience when it slowly descends where it takes 10 seconds, and compare their experience when it take 1ms to fully descend.the exact samethey have no force acting on them at any pointit just looks faster, maybe they'll get dizzy or motion sick
>>744718509>Portals moving relative to each other is what breaks physicsIn that case, we can assume the HL/Portal universe has slightly different physics to ours since we see portals moving relative to each other.
>>744720461I have never once mentioned the term "force". I merely stated the contradiction. Which is: >>744719651If you can address how you do not turn into jello if the orange portal engulfs you in 1ms, yet you always slow down and plop at a constant speed then we can go deeper into this discussion.
>>744720423>The statue does and does not have velocity because I'm flying at mach 10 past itnigga you're retarded.
>muhhh conservation of momentum!Portals don't conserve momentum IN GAME. Momentum is a VECTOR.>it just *plops out*!OK, how does it plop out? How fast? Can you write down the trajectory? No, you can't, because it's completely unclear.>there must be a... le force!There is no force. Portals are not physical. However B is, at least, clearly defined.
>>744718860It's b. The matter is pushed out. First the top of the cube come out of the orange portal but then the rest of the cube come out and push it at the speed the blue portal is moving down.
>>744720413Relative to which portal? Dumbass its velocity relative to blue is zero hence why its A, hence why chell wasn’t floating in space in one point ready to fall back to Earth
>>744718874Find me a hula hoop where the ends can move separately while the distance between them remains 0. Then we'll talk.
>>744720532The URF has to be the motionless box. Neither portal is "true" until the box has emerged from one or the other. Stationary, naturally.
>>744720514It's not a copout. Neither A or B makes sense from a physics perspective, both of them require some magical property. A needs to violate the laws of thermodynamics and B needs to introduce some kind of quantum state for the cube where forces both act and do not act on it at the same time.
>>744720549>the exact sameIt cannot be as the different is 10 seconds - 1 ms, that's a whole 9.99 something seconds difference.
>>744720604>The matter is pushed out.It is not, space is changed around it.
>>744718860>The portal is descending, the cube is inert.No such thing. All motion is relative. If the portal is moving towards the cube, the cube is moving towards the portal.>Once the cube has exited the portal, still inertCan you even comprehend how retarded what you just wrote is? How can an INERT object MOVE out of the portal?
>>744720559>If you can address how you do not turn into jello if the orange portal engulfs you in 1ms, yet you always slow down and plop at a constant speed then we can go deeper into this discussion.it simply doesn't happen because you never slow downyou were never sped upno force ever moved you
>>744720623A doesn't have to violate anything retard. The reason the Box moves at all in A is because of gravity. If there were no gravity, then all that would happen is that the box would sit on the portal, untill the orange press went back up.
>>744720623Portals don't make sense from a physics perspective, obviously. You are begging the question. It's pseudalicious and gay. A is untenable and doesn't define a trajectory. It is a non-answer.
>>744720581Once enough of the cube is through the portal for gravity to move it it’ll start to move, and slide down.
>>744719260>At no point is any force actually exerted on you.Correct. Which is why, under Newton's first law, you continue moving.
>>744720639and yet it is in fact the exact sameyou feel the same standing still for 10 seconds as you do going through the portal for 10 seconds as you do going through the portal for 1 ms
>>744719320>Still thing goes inHow does it go in if it's still?>still thing goes out.How does it go out if it's still?
>>744720672>If the portal is moving towards the cube, the cube is moving towards the portal.If I run past a statue, is the statue moving? >How can an INERT object MOVE out of the portal?It's not "moving" it's "exiting", idiot.
>>744720724OK, when does that happen? At what time after the initial portal contact? What exactly happens before that, and how quickly? How fast does the front of the cube move during the "plop", to make way for the rest? A doesn't answer any of these questions.
>>744720681>because you never slow downIf you never slow down, then that means you are launched as a missile at the speed of what the orange portal is moving at>>744720731Other than your coordinates being different at different times, right?If the orange portal moves slowly, the coordinate of the tip of your head is different than if the orange portal moves quickly.That is a huge difference. We call the delta of the coordinates the speed of movement.
>>744719856Yes, that’s why portals break physics because they can instantaneously change the vector into a different vector of the same magnitude.
>>744720792That's just one reason. Nonetheless B is the better answer, A is undefined.
>>744720536In the original picture in B, the momentum of the cube is preserved causing it to shoot out.In this image the same happens with the upper half of the cube, which then pulls up the bottom half.>>744720518It doesn't because it's stopped by the sides of the portals (if I made too much of the portal pop out ignore that, it's supposed to be half in half out).
>>744720606>its velocity relative to blue is zero hence why its ASo then you agree that, under A, Chell would go flying away from the moon at FUCKHUGE km/s since her velocity relative to the blue portal was FUCKHUGE km/s before entering, right?
>>744720608Both are the same. The only way it wouldn’t be the same is if it wasn’t happening in an easily displayable atmosphere.
>>744720767>If I run past a statue, is the statue moving?Yes.>It's not "moving" it's "exiting", idiot.And how do you exit something without moving relative to it?
>>744720761It doesn't do either, Space moves around it, it remains still.
>>744720394Portals need to be attached to something, that thing has mass. In A the cube doesn't react at all to the air being forced out of the way by the piston and through the portal. In B the air being acted on by the piston catches on the cube and blows the cube away.
>>744720648Imagine two cubes stacked, the second cube would push the first cube away at the speed of the blue portal.
>>744720860>Both are the same.No the fuck they're not. Portals can move separately while their distance remains zero. Hula hoops cannot.>The only way it wouldn’t be the same is if it wasn’t happening in an easily displayable atmosphere.What are you even trying to say?
>>744720882>Space moves around itMeaning it moves through space.
>>744716272The ending has nothing to do with the question at all. The atmosphere is rushing out of the portal.
>>744711791This gif only makes sense if the blue side perspective is a window into a fucking pocket dimension of what has entered the orange portal and the pocket dimemsion bubble grows and shrinks as the orange portal moves but theres no movement within the bubble.
>>744720773>>744720817>undefined>you can’t explain!!That’s some real retard cope right there. Math can easily figure out at what point the pull of gravity on the half of the box through the portal is bigger than the friction and gravitational force that is keeping it on the platform.
>>744720819The only way for the box to move is for a force to act upon it. The portals do not exert any force on objects that pass through them, they’re just doorways
The game itself cannot even replicate this experiment without being modded. This entire argument is about some theoretical non-Portal portals and belongs in /sci/
>>744720972Wrong. See >>744720773You can't "math" something that is not clearly defined. A does not work. B is fine.
>>744720818>It doesn't because it's stopped by the sides of the portalsA portal's "side" both does and does not exist. It is not a "barrier" that prevents movement/momentum, it is a "barrier" that prevents an atom from being in two places at once. I posit that the side of a barrier has a repulsive force relative to which side of the portal the object in question has more mass on.
>>744720920Im saying that it doesn’t make a difference since both examples use portals and it doesn’t matter if a portal is one nanometer away from the other, or more, or moving. It’s instant transmission between two points.
>>744720986It's actually a question of relativity. RELATIVE TO THE PORTAL, the cube is moving. Thus, it would continue to move on the other side of the portal.
>>744720867>YesBtards everyone. >And how do you exit something without moving relative to it?By it moving relative to you.
>>744719525>>an object at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by an external forceThis also means that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an external force. Thus, the moving cube will continue moving.
>>744720895Having mass =/= imparting mass. The back of the portal isn't the moving massive object, the back of the portal is the exist of the other portal, which is open space with no mass.
Portals could literally deconstruct matter and reconstitute it at the same rate at the exit portal for all we know. Without specifics on the actual function of the portals, this is an unanswerable question.
>>744721019So what would happen if one were to be exactly halfway through a portal and then were to move parallel to it?
>>744721009You barely defined the questions, so it’s not worth it to answer them all in turn. I gave you the answer, the rest is just math. I just hope you are baiting and not actually that retarded.
>>744720949It does nothing. Space is the one doing the thing. The statue remains stationary.
>>744719793>Would the momentum of the upper half be preserved and pull the lower half up causing it to jump into the portal?Yes.
>>744721125Silence, dalit.
>>744719990>You do leave the portal in 1 ms. Meaning you have speed when exiting it.>You just don't continue flying after you're fully out.So what force stops you?
>>744721125So gravity causes the "plop"? What would happen without gravity?
>>744720284I drew it. I have. As we can see, the portal flings that you do in the games don't make sense under A.
>>744715960kekit's funny how A-friends don't even know what momentum means
>>744721145>Space is the one doing the thing. The statue remains stationary.That's not how physics works. All motion is relative. Moving at a stationary speed isn't "doing" anything. It's identical to being still. You only "do" something when accelerating.
>>744720916The only reason this happens is because once the first box has existed the portal, its frame of reference is then fixed on the other side, at which point an object is displacing it at the speed of the portal. However without a second box to displace it, once it has fixed its frame of reference to the other side of the portal, nothing is acting on it, other than the forces that naturally exist on the other side of that portal.
every time this thread is brought up I get more convinced none of you have actually played Portal
>>744721209It’d stay in place.
>>744721040>it doesn’t matter if a portal is one nanometer away from the other, or more, or movingIt very much does matter when looking from outside the portals. That determines if the portals function like basic hoops or if the object has its movement redirected.
>>744721374It would not go through the portal? Or it would go through and then suddenly magically stop?
>>744711791why do I feel this sudden urge to jerk off
>>744721124You would face repulsion equal to the mass on both sides of the portal and it would cancel out. You'd essentially be stuck until you exerted force one way or the other
>Your body moves out the blue portal as quickly as the speed of the orange portal. (if orange portal reached your neck, your head is on the other side of the blue portal)>Your head moves out of the blue portal with a certain speed (think of rat slowly crawling out a hole, it has a speed, right, like 1cm/second?)>Now imagine if the orange portal goes REAL FAST, like 1ms to fully descend to your feet.>That means the speed your head moved out the portal is really fast, to make room for your feet, all in 1ms (think again about the rat crawling out the hole really fast)At this point, there's 2 options A or B.>A: You ALWAYS exit slowly, and then plop.In this case, the only way to always exit slowly, means that there is a speed limit to exiting the portal. If there wasn't a speed limit, then you would obviously launch like a missile, but instead you're always tossed out slowly like a heavy boulder in case A. And if there is a speed limit to exiting the blue portal, then your body would be crushed into jello, because something is limiting how fast you can exit, yet the orange portal is moving much faster than that.>B: You exit based on the speed of the orange portalThis makes more sense, given that your body leaves the blue portal with the same speed as the orange portal (if it take 1ms to reach your feet, it took 1ms for your feet to exit the blue portal as well). And if you exit based on the speed of the orange portal, then you would be launched like a missile as you inherit that speed without any magical thing slowing you down.I would say these two are ok: B, or A if you turn to jello and say there is a speed limit (we're talking about hypothetical fake technology anyways, if there's a speed limit, fine).
>>744720973>The only way for the box to move is for a force to act upon it.Try to take a physics 101 class before you post on the internet acting like you know shit about physics. Force is required to change the motion of an object. Objects will maintain their motion with no force acting on them.
>>744721309Agreed, the box is doing nothing, space is moving around it.
>>744717297>since the existence of an absolute reference frame would break physicsWhat a retarded take.
A bros don't look :(
>>744721452Exactly they maintain their motion which in this case the motion of the box is nil>Btards actually think if a doorway flew passed you you’d just gain velocity from nowhereTry taking that physics class yourself you absolute retard
>>744721059>>Yes >Btards everyone. >It's another Atards not understanding basic physics and acting like it's Bfags who do are stupid episode>By it moving relative to you.Which means you're also moving relative to it.
>>744721548>You're also moving relative to itThis literally means nothing in regards to momentum though. The statue has no momentum regardless of how quickly I pass it. What matters is the box's frame of reference, and its frame of reference isn't moving.
>>744721413No, it would go through the portal since the portal is moved over it. You can’t be this retarded.
>>744721528>the motion of the box is nil How does it enter the portal without moving? Remember that the portal moving over it is the same thing as it moving into the portal.>Btards actually think if a doorway flew passed you you’d just gain velocity from nowhereI have never said that. If a doorway flew over me, I'd be moving at a constant velocity relative to the doorframe. I woulsn't just suddenly accelerate relative to it for no reason.
>>744721620So if you run into the statue you won't bounce off?
>>744721680You're the retard, that's why I'm asking retarded questions. To understand your retarded thinking. Now riddle me this. What if I cut the cube in half before sending it through?
>>744721370Obviously the same effect happens between the first and second half of the cube. You must be trolling or something to get attention.
>>744721789>You bounce off a stationary object because it's actually moving towards youHAHAHA then why doesn't it bounce off me?
>>744721146Awesome. You made that with unreal engine?
>>744721740> If a doorway flew over me, I'd be moving at a constant velocity relative to the doorframe.Sure but we're talking about orange portal landing on top of you and you necessarily exit the blue portal at a certain velocity.
>>744721620>The statue has no momentum regardless of how quickly I pass itMomentum is a product of mass and velocity. The only way it has no momentum is if it either has no mass or no velocity. It clearly has velocity since it's moving relative to you (and the moon, sun, the milky way, and generally every atom in the universe), so I'd like to see this amazing magical statue with no mass.>What matters is the box's frame of reference, and its frame of reference isn't moving.Nothing is moving in its own frame of reference. In the portal's frame it is.
>>744721740Would you claim that slamming a hoop around a ball laying on the ground is the same as throwing a ball through a hoop?
>>744721812This nigga really thinks he can pull himself up by the boot straps.
>>744721850Because it has more momentum.When a car drives into a traffic cone, why doesn't it bounce off it?
>>744721873>Sure but we're talking about orange portal landing on top of you and you necessarily exit the blue portal at a certain velocity.And where does that velocity go? What force decelerates it? None. It just flies out.
>>744721961Exactly, which is why it's B, flies out like a missile.
>>744721740>>Btards actually think if a doorway flew passed you you’d just gain velocity from nowhere>I have never said that. If a doorway flew over me, I'd be moving at a constant velocity relative to the doorframe. I woulsn't just suddenly accelerate relative to it for no reason.Glad you finally see it’s A now>how does it enter the portal without movingThe same way you enter a doorway if it was on a track and flew passed you, but nothing about that could suddenly accelerate you
>>744721372no one on /v/ plays video games this is a tabloid these are gossiping housewives thats all 4chan is these days.
>>744721917Difference in Mass.Why do you think it doesn't?
>>744721874>It clearly has velocity since it's moving relative to you (and the moon, sun, the milky way, and generally every atom in the universe)Momentum is relative. Given that you and the statue are in roughly the same cosmological point, you're both broadly moving in the same direction at the same time at the same speed, so the statue has no motion relative to you. You both could be hurtling past planets at a billion miles an hour, if you run head first into it at 10m/s, you're only going to hit it at 10m/s, the statue isn't going to suddenly lose its frame of reference and hurtle towards you a billion m/s. >>744721917see above
>>744721803Without gravity? No change. With gravity? The top half would slide off once the gravitational pull on the other side of the portal is higher than on its side plus the friction keeping it inert.
>>744721372>If you played portal this question is meaninglessWhy? This experiment is impossible in the game. Otherwise we would have a definitive answer already.
The answer is "portals can't move and that one time they did was retarded because they broke their own rules".Anyways, for B to happen, the kinetic energy of the portal would have to be transferred to the cube. As portals are just holes, there's no mechanism that could do so.
>>744721514That proves A, retard.
>>744722141I'm talking about chopping it in half in the portal plane. So one "half" goes through first. If you can't see the problem here I don't have much more to tell you...
>>744722202Technically they have to move, because if they didn't move then they wouldn't be stationary relative to you.
>>744722275No it doesn't. Why do you think it does?
>>744722202It's transferred when the blue portal is pushing away what is already outside of the orange portal. The orange portal is not moving so what is coming out has to.
>>744722202The mechanism is the same one that moved the person's head to a different coordinate than where it was before (i.e. as the head leaves the blue portal, and moves further out). For B, it is this very mechanism that imparts a velocity to the subject traversing the portal.
>>744722279I have no idea what you are even trying to say. Be more specific, retard-kun.
>>744722310Because the cube doesn't fly away in A, just like the man doesn't magically go flying away when he leaves the truck.Get a brain moran.
>>744721146Any afag responses to this?
>>744721894With a hoop, the entrance and exit are moving with the same velocity relative to you. This means that as you exit the top at x m/s, the velocity is cancelled out because the top is moving down at -x m/s, so you don't fly out. With portals, this would be equivalent to 2 back to back like top left of picrel. But if the other portal is stationary, you fly out at the speed you entered. This applies regardless of if the entry portal is moved over you or you're thrown though it.>>744721989>Glad you finally see it’s A nowNone of that was incompatible with B. B means Relative velocity in = Relative velocity out, which is followed with 2 portals back to back like a doorway.
>>744721372B behaviour is consistent with the moon scene at the end of Portal 2There's no other case of an object going through a moving portal, but we do see moving portals in that neurotoxin level with lasers going through them.
If anything the air resistance from the “still” air in the non moving blue portal would make a cushion of resistance to you even entering and it would slow you down, I’m thinking it’s A
>>744722312>. The orange portal is not movingThe orange portal is moving, that's the whole point, what the fuck are you talking about>>744722324> The mechanism is the same one that moved the person's head to a different coordinate than where it was before Whose fucking head, what are you talking about
>>744721986Yes. I think we got mixed up somewhere. I'm a Bfag too.
>>744722390It's a blender animation. You can make it do anything you want it to.
>>744720286yes, this is correct. it's b by the way.
>>744722390This just proves it’s A though. Unless you think a hole can somehow impart a force but you wouldn’t think that unless you’re retarded
>>744722279Anon if you chop an object in half it becomes two objects. Once the first object's frame of reference is set on the other side then anything displacing it will naturally move it.
>>744722458The blue portal then (the exit). I haven't played the game for too long.
>>744720352This comment illustrates why it's neither A or B.
>>744722458A person standing under the orange portal, where the head leaves the blue portal with a specific velocity depending on the velocity of the orange portal. I use this example instead of the cube because it's easier to visualize in your head.
>>744722468At least you know you are a fag.
So if a moving portal approaches a person from above fast enough, then stops at neck height, his head will go flying off?
>>744720452This kind of ends the debate because according to B logic the cube should be ripped in half.
>>744722484We actually see that exact scenario happen in game though and it's B.
Btards need to imagine it’s not a box but a very long pole, they honestly think the pole would start accelerating away from the part of it still on the platform that orange is moving toward and start stretching. Completely idiocy
>>744722630No. It experiences a shock. If the velocity is sufficient large and the piston stops sufficiently fast, then yes it would be ripped in half.
>>744722390That depends on the frame of reference. From the planet's frame, the person hurtling past at 220mph would also be approaching it at 10mph. From the person's frame, the answer is A and they would see the planet hurtling past.
>>744722062>Given that you and the statue are in roughly the same cosmological point, you're both broadly moving in the same direction at the same time at the same speed, so the statue has no motion relative to you.If we're speaking "roughly", then basically nothing is moving since orbits are so slow relative to the speed of light. Let's get a bit more precise. You're running next to the statue. This means the statue is moving relative to you. As such, assuming it has mass, it also has momentum.>You both could be hurtling past planets at a billion miles an hour, if you run head first into it at 10m/s, you're only going to hit it at 10m/s, the statue isn't going to suddenly lose its frame of reference and hurtle towards you a billion m/s. Yes, because you both are moving the same billion miles an hour. The velocity between you is what matters.
>>744722569That's the problem with moving portals, it doesn't. It just appears out of the portal with no kinetic energy, because putting hole over something doesn't impart any energy.How this nonsensical situation happens is then purely fantasy. You can say he yeets out, you can say he gets ripped in half, you can say nothing happens. They're all equally valid answers to a bullshit idea.
>>744722631The developers made one stupid scene with the moon portal and you taking that as gospel only displays the retardation of Bfags
speedy thing goes, speedy thing goes out.stationary cube, relative to the falling portal, is speedy
>>744722604If it's really really fast, yes. In the same way that if I suddenly pulled your head at 2000mph it would come off.At lower speeds though we're just talking about a broken neck.
>>744722604no
>>744722604I think that's would make sense for B, yes. In the same sense that in A, you would turn into jello if the orange portal moved super fast since the velocity would immediately go to 0 for you to plop.
>>744722420A portal is a magical gate connecting to spots. Portals don’t confer momentum to the objects passing through it, they just change the perceived vector. If an object is inert as it enters, it remains inert as it exits. That’s concurrent with physics, you are just making shit up.
>>744722712>Afaggotry is literally just headcanonkek
>>744722674well in order for it to fly away the piston would have lots of velocity. Honestly there is a better argument to be made that the cube would get shattered instead of simply flying away in one piece.
>>744722382>He thinks cars are portals Movies don't "prove" anything retard.It's not a scienfitic experiment.
If you have an isolated room in space with a cube, a moving portal surface towards the cube, and a stationary portal surface then the cube is both moving and not moving in comparison to the room. This is why portals are fictional.
>>744722687It has momentum, but since you also have the same intrinsic momentum, it cancels out. Thus, only you have the additional momentum afforded by your own ambulation.
Afags - which cubes would fling and which would plop?
>>744722729Yeah mean relative to both the falling portal and the exit portal.
>>744722786This has moved passed the game and into physics retard, in the game she should have slammed into a mountain on the moon or got left behind by the moon because it would be moving thousands of meters per second to the side. Just because valve fucked up that little detail in the name of a good game experience doesn’t make it B retard
>>744722712The moon portal doesn’t even do that. Btards are just desperately grasping at straws.
>>744722827No there isn't. It entirely depends on the velocities involved, as I said.
>>744722863>>>/www.fanfiction.net/
>>744722861None would fling, easy.
>>744722836I didn't post that clip.I said it didn't prove anything. In fact, I told the other anon to get a brain. Sounds like you need to get a eyeballs and lear to read.
>>744722861All but the last would fling because all but the last are being displaced by the last. The last always plops
>>744722882>Says the same baseless claim again and again and againIf you're right, why not prove it?
>>744722898>>>www.argument.fag
b fags cannot understand properties... everything is just relative measurements and skip over any conflicts or uncomfortable questions.b fags think portals grant energies to anything passing through, so even light (which they use as a constant/measurement) goes faster because portal moved.
>>744722863We are building a hypothetical portal mechanic outside the game. It can be either A or B, but the /v/ game design team is making better arguments for implementing it as B.
>>744722914>I said it didn't prove anything>>744722275>That proves A
>>744722920A cube is made up of lots of molecules. Wouldn't the same logic apply to them? All the molecules are displaced by the ones that enter after them, so they all fling except for the final 1-molecule-thick layer of cube.
>>744722906What if the two cubes on the blue side were placed on top of the two cube stack on the orange side while the portal was in its current position? So the portal did not move over the top two cubes of the stack?
>>744722931It's not complicated. Consider what would happen if the velocities were small. It would experience a gentle tug. If the velocities were huge, it would be cleanly ripped in half. Anything else is somewhere in between. It depends on the details. The velocities and the composition of the cube.
>>744722782>Portals don’t confer momentum to the objects passing through it,Correct, so an object that enters a portal will keep moving at the same velocity relative to the exit portal.>If an object is inert as it entersThere still is no such thing. All motion is relative. If the object enters the portal, it by definition is not inert and has some velocity.
>>744722882But we have no data on the velocity. All we know is that it should be fast enough for an object like the companion cube to fly. However because it goes through the portal bit by bit no matter how fast the orange portal goes. It should get ripped apart due to the sudden differences in velocity between each side of the companion cube.
>>744722863In the game, all of the portals should dissipate instantaneously because they're all 'moving' relative to something.Or, perhaps, if they're existing in the same frame of reference, the 'moving' orange portal should have dissipated the instant the piston it was attached to moved.
>>744722935Light doesn't ever go faster anywhere in the universe. Light is always the same speed in a vacuum with all frames of reference.
>>744722995There’s two positions in that pic so you’ll have to phrase your leading question more specific.
>>744723005>No proof>more baseless claimsLike I said...
>>744722984Notice how they ignore this argument>>744722657
>>744722850>since you also have the same intrinsic momentum, it cancels outYou don't have the same intrinsic momentum though. You're moving relative to it, meaning it's moving relative to you, meaning your momentums are different, meaning it has momentum relative to you.
>>744723041A cube is made of molecules with bonds. So if you have half moving fast, half not moving, what happens next? The bonds get stressed, and either the cube breaks or it doesn't. It depends on the cube and the velocities. If it doesn't break, the momentum of the whole cube is still nonzero so it flies up, but less fast than if the piston continued all the way.
>>744723068This has been addressed as "imagine a Person" argument that has been made by B enjoyers for a large part of this thread, where you have a long subject instead of a cube.>>744721441
>Btards think a laser going through orange would suddenly move faster than the speed of light breaking all semblance of physical laws
>>744722976Wasn't me, faggot.
>>744720952>another retard missing the pointSee >>744717115
>>744723050Just because a Jew said it some time ago doesn't mean it's an universal truth. We just haven't discovered evidence to prove him wrong yet.
>>744723184>Visable editKEK
>>744723012You keep going back to slamming a hoop onto a ball somehow being the same as the ball being thrown through a hoop. Nobody would accept that premise. One object in both cases is being moved, the other isn’t.
>>744723184here I spent 5000 years in mspaint to illustrate
>>744723065What's your claim again? I forgot.
>>744723068Do you fags not know what material science is? Stress curves?
>>744722984>Their molecules are displaced This molecular displacement does not impart momentum because their molecular bonds exert an equal force in the opposite direction, thus the object remains stationary.
>>744723259I haven't made one. I asked you to substantiate your own baseless claims with sources that prove you correct.Why won't you do it? You seem scared.
>>744723159Well if we use B logic then it should break. No matter how fast the approaching portal goes there will always be a state where the molecules of the portal are between both sides of the portal.
>>744722935>b fags think portals grant energies to anything passing throughEven with static portals you can easily violate conservation of energy.>even lightNah, I think special relativity applies with portals just as much as it does without. The speed of light is a constant. Moving portals can't change the speed of light, in exactly the same way that shining a light forwards from a rocket ship travelling at a fraction of the speed of light doesn't make the light go any faster.
>>744723264See>>744723182It has nothing to do with that but everything to do with you Btards dreaming up a magical acceleration that comes from nowhere
>>744723237holy newfagit's called jpeg artifacts>>744723245That just proves that Bfags think faster than light is possible. The fuck you think happens to the photons when they cross the threshold of orange? They go C + Orange. Or, as I like to call it, Hi C.
>>744723308B logic doesn't say anything about the material properties of cubes.
>>744723245Light in a vacuum always travels at the same speed retard. If you look at the same light from multiple frames of reference it will always be moving at the same speed. Whether you are moving towards or away from it. The most you'd get is redshifting or some shit, you can't make ftl. Argument doesn't even apply to objects with mass moving at relativistic speeds.
>>744723358Reply again
>>744723118You do have the same intrinsic momentum, you just have more momentum because you're moving relative to it. Relative to you it has 0 acceleration, 0 speed and is moving 0 distance. 0 might be a number but pretending having 0 momentum in this discussion = having momentum is pretty disingenuous.
>>744723337>portals clearly break physical laws>nope not that one because… I just said so ok?Wow thanks for your opinion fag
I thought it was just a meme but there are unironic Atards, people GENUINELY believe it's Ait's fucking baffling
>>744722657While the portal is enveloping the pole at a constant rate, no part of the pole has a velocity relative to any other part of the pole, so there's no acceleration. If the portal suddenly stopped halfway down the pole, the part which had already transited the portal would pull on the part which hadn't.To get the stretching behaviour you describe I think you'd need a portal that starts very fast and gradually decelerates as it envelops the pole.
B-tards can't enter this portal
>>744723337>in exactly the same way that shining a light forwards from a rocket ship travelling at a fraction of the speed of light doesn't make the light go any fasterHave you tried it, faggot? Can you measurre the infintessimal change in speedd of the photons? Didn't think so faggot. Only thing faster than light is how gay you are.
>>744723343You Afags don't even understand how light works and you think it moves the same as an object with mass.
>>744723398The universe isnt a conplete and total vacuum.So light can travel at different speeds throughout the universe, by your own admission. Correct?
>>744720986>The game itself cannot even replicate this experiment without being moddedThat's not necessary in this situation. The games show us enough to make a model of how the portals work. This model aligns perfectly with B and is incompatible with A. It's possible that it would be some third option, but based on what the games show us, and when the only options are A and B, B is what would happen
@744723410nah
>>744723386Yeah because then their entire argument disintegrates.
>>744723461The theory predicts time dilation, and we use that to calibrate satellites. The evidence is there.
>>744723467We know for a fact light travels at a slower speed through mediums like air and water. The example said total vacuum.
>>744723437>the rules of the portal only apply once is stops movingHoly shit Bfags just make it up as they go along like children
>>744723456Why not?
>>744723436It's disturbing, but people really are that dumb. I actually showed the A/B meme to a couple of normie friends and they thought it was A. I briefly tried to explain it to them but it's not worth it...
>>744723536>The example said total vacuum.Where?
>>744723526>theory>predicts>???>evidencekek
>>744723545bait
>>744723559
>>744723245This argument is the same as:>We have a stationary flashlight>The light beam is traveling at the speed of light>How fast would the light beam go if we now moved the flashlightThe answer is the light waves still move at the speed of light, but they get COMPRESSED (i.e. the beam gets squished and compacted), and it will change to a shorter wavelength.
>>744723526so you haven't, in fact, tried it, in fact, faggot?fucking absolutists in a world of theory blows my mind.
>>744711604It's B because when i was a kid i threw a hula hoop on top of another kid and he suddenly flew 20 meters into the air and broke his leg on his way down
>>744723592So that means it's irrelevant in real world examples.
>>744723398>>. If you look at the same light from multiple frames of reference it will always be moving at the same speed.>he never watched the lgiht-moving-through-a-coke-bottle-videokek
>>744723619So you people use an example and then openly admit the example is wrong?
>>744723436Just admit you think a hole imparts a force
How about this?
>>744723678Retard
>afags don't believe that portal 2 is canon>afags don't believe in special relativity>afags are flat earthersThese are the best threads
>>744723686A hole? Do you mean a portal?
>>744723681I haven't used this or anything else as an example of anything ITT.
>>744723604Yet you can say with a straight face that the cube can't behave in a similar fashion. the disingenuousness seeps from your pores like sweat from an ass.
>>744723546Because he thinks his misunderstanding of how B works is how B actually works.
>>744723720btfotard
>>744723748Then why did >>744723467(you)Reply to me
Moving surface disparates portal
>>744723754Flowery rhetoric, but little substance I'm afraid.
>>744720672Portals do not work in real life. They do however work in a video game, where there is an absolute reference frame to the static world origin. In other words, all motion is not relative, and portals work by transforming the velocity of any incoming object to the outgoing portal’s spatial coordinates and orientation -- relative to the world origin, this results in A being the outcome.
>>744723754>Gets disproven>WELL YOU'RE DISINGENUOUS AND I HAVE NO REBUTTALThis is my first time replying to you btw, this is me with the Essex image >>744721441
>>744723815A coke bottle isn't a vacuum you fucking faggot.
>>744714984>Phaliaposter is braindeadNow I will always have to think about how retarded you are when I see your posts
>>744722935>b fags cannot understand properties... everything is just relative measurementsWhat properties? Speed/velocity? You don't actually think those are properties of an object, do you?
>>744723864>>7447238502 v 1 and you still btfo with no rebuttalkekbfagtards on suicide watch
>>744723831Because the universe isn't a total vaccum. And it's strange to pretend otherwise
>>744723921I have no idea what your argument even is, I'm just replying to your laser beam retardedness
>>744723882relative to the water it is, faggotyou said any frame of reference, it's the same speedshit you're gay
>>744723947got jappedjust close the tab and find another thread to be wrong inNEXT
>>744724002Alright man lol, save some face, we know it's a little embarrassing to think you're breaking some laws of physics when walking with a flashlight
>>744724068umm I hope that cute warship is going to be OK
>>744724068>laws>theory of relativity>THEORY
>>744723242>You keep going back to slamming a hoop onto a ball somehow being the same as the ball being thrown through a hoopAnd you keep going back to hoops even when told that they aren't a good model for separately moving portals. Why do you think slamming a portal on an object would be different from the object flying through it?>One object in both cases is being moved, the other isn’t.>STILL failing at understanding basic relativity
>>744723930I was responding to an example and you know that. Changing the fucking example doesn't change my argument against the example.
>>744724143>Changing the fucking example doesn't change my argument against the example.I didn't change any examples. Are you okay?
>>744724135telling normies about physics was a mistake
>>744723956This niggas a retardDoesn't know what a solid or a liquid is.
>>744723735A hole is empty spaceA portal is empty space connecting two points in real spaceA portal is a hole, or a type of one known as a wormhole
>>744723730A is the outcome of you just look at the code of the game then retard>but the moon scene!Now you’re back to arguing a real world version of this problem so which is it Btard?
>>744724135>anon doesn't understand what a theory is>episode 572345
>>744724202So it's not just a regular hole, is what you're telling me?
>>744724171>example>argument against tge example>yeah but example isn't how the universe works so you are wrongYou either have an argument or you don't, provide it or stop talking to me.
>>744723947Why does light enter the orange portal with unchanged velocity but the cube doesn’t?
>>744724208>A is the outcome of you just look at the code of the game then retardExplain this
>>744724249yeah it is
>>744724254From B's perspective, the cube's velocity is the orange portal's velocity.
Portals are all about perspective, and B respects perspectives.
>>744724290It's just a regular hole? But it can teleport objects across the room? Interesting.
>>744724254Because light in a vacuum cant change velocity.
>>744724338yep, see >>744724202
>>744724253>You either have an argumentI don't, I was just pointing out the flaws in your own argument.I don't know why this seems to upset you so much.
>>744724361Hmmm but if I make a regular hole, it doesn't teleport anything. I think these portals are different.
>>744723423>you just have more momentum because you're moving relative to it.Which means it has equal momentum (actually velocity since your masses are different) in the opposite direction.>Relative to you it has 0 accelerationAcceleration is irrelevant to momentum. It's only concerned with velocity and mass.>0 speed and is moving 0 distanceIf that were true, it would mean that either you aren't moving or the statue has come to life and is now chasing you while shooting lasers. If you are moving and the statue is a normal statue, then it has velocity (and thus momentum) relative to you.>0 might be a number but pretending having 0 momentum in this discussion = having momentumWhen did I pretend that? You're the one pretending that the statue that's movigng relative to you has 0 momentum relative to you.
>>744724141>Why do you think slamming a portal on an object would be different from the object flying through it?what part of the portal makes contact or imparts energy?you can cry "relativity" all day, but you're just using a theory/measuring tape on a video game thought experiment. do you think that nothing can exist without something else to compare it to? measuring is a great way to describe, but it doesn't describe everything since we can't measure everything.
>>744724236>anon doesn't understand what a law is>episode 572346
>>744724387You're retarded. The example was light in a vacuum, my argument was light in a vacuum then you come in with "bUt WhAt AbOuT lIgHt ThAtS nOt In A vAcUum!!!!!1!"
>>744724141It’s the perfect analogy because a portal is just a magical hoop.>Why do you think slamming a portal on an object would be different from the object flying through it?Because relative to the surroundings, one object moves, and the other doesn’t.>STILL failing at understanding basic relativitySelf-awareness is the first step, retard-kun.
>>744724437>do you think that nothing can exist without something else to compare it to?NTA but you certainly can't prove anything exists in this scenario with the scienfitic method, no.
>>744724401nope, see >>744724202
>>744723686Afags are the ones who think the portal imparts a force on the cube to stop it. BGODS simply know it continues moving as per Newton's first.
>>744724187this nigga doesn't know what a frame of reference isback to mongolia retard
>>744724440>It's a THEORY! Also, what happens when I walk with a flashlight? Does the light go faster than the speed of light?Is this guy serious
>>744724502I saw that already. I'm not convinced. A regular hole doesn't teleport anything, so a portal is something different. Furthermore, in physics wormholes do not work like that.
>>744724490>Gets even more upset at me being correctWhy?
>>744724282>explain thisThat shows it’s neither A or B
>>744722657Where in B does it say it would start accelerating? It would simply move away from the blue portal at the same speed it enters the orange one.>>744723068Maybe because it's completely nonsensical and there's not much to argue against.
>decade later>still un-refuted
>>744724551>A regular hole doesn't teleport anything, so a portal is something different.yeah, a wormhole (which is a hole)>Furthermore, in physics wormholes do not work like that.yeah they do
>>744724524prove that it doesn'tPROVE it>inb4 muh speed of light can't be surpassed because... IT JUST CAN'T... WE SAID SO
>>744724504You mean Btards never realize the cube isn’t moving and portals are just doorways. Btards literally can’t even understand what a portal is at the most basic level lmao
>>744723510>@I think you got lost. Twitter is that way.
>>744724658I can't... I just have a theory...
>>744724432>Which means it has equal momentum (actually velocity since your masses are different) in the opposite direction.it still has no velocity relative to you.>If that were true, it would mean that either you aren't moving or the statue has come to life and is now chasing you while shooting lasers. If you are moving and the statue is a normal statue, then it has velocity (and thus momentum) relative to you.You've got a fundamental misunderstanding about relativity. A statue having 0 speed and moving 0 distance doesn't mean it's somehow approaching you. It's like arguing relativity with some one who doesn't understand what inertia is.
>>744724601Exactly, the source engine physics code is CThe canon ending of Portal 2 is BAny future portal game would use B because it's more interestingIn IRL life physics portals can't exist, but wormholes would behave like BThere's no situation where it's A
>>744724602>Where in B does it say it would start accelerating? It would simply move away from the blue portal at the same speed it enters the orange one.again... b fags don't think properties are a thing, only references exist. kids with rulers who measure everything with their only stick.
>>744723308>Well if we use B logic then it should breakWhy?>No matter how fast the approaching portal goes there will always be a state where the molecules of the portal are between both sides of the portal.And? What force is causing stress on the atoms to cause the bonds to break?
>>744724694A theory or a hypothesis?
@744724679>being this desperate for (You)'s
>>744724617Your picture just shows A, as a Btard you need to draw the spike flying away with an added velocity that the portal magically gives
>>744711604It's both depending on what kind of puzzle solution the creator felt like going with that day
>>744724757Explain how you think the moon ending supports b, because it really doesn’t.
>>744724757>The canon ending of Portal 2 is BHow so?
>>744711604I agree.
>>744724757I would go further and point out once again that A is undefined. It does not precisely determine the trajectory of the cube.
>>744724617From the spike's frame of reference, that dude impaled himself.
>>744724786the doppler blueshift effect is a well established law/theory
>>744711604I actually don't know. The box is never moving. But it's also as if the whole universe on the other side of the orange portal is moving towards the box? Does momentum work like that? No idea.
After thinking a bit, there is no case where a portal works when the portal surface is moving perpendicularly to that surface. So this question is "how would a portal operate if the rules of the game were different", which is analogous to "what would the laws of physics say in a situation impossible according to those same laws?"
>>744724840>>744724841It's been explained a million times. The moon is moving. The thing goes through the portal. The thing doesn't fly off the moon, but moves with the moon, like B.
>>744724658>the theory of special relativity states that the speed of light can't be surpassed>the theory describes the mechanism of this law to be enforced by time dilation>the theory predicts that something moving very fast will experience time dilation>we can test this because we have satellites that orbit the earth fast>clocks on those satellites have to be calibrated to tick slower so they stay in sync with earth clocks>clocks calibrated for earth but deployed on such a satellite will run faster than an earth clockSo we have observed evidence which supports the theory.Have you observed light going faster than the speed of light yet?
>>744724872>Law/TheoryIt can't be both. Thanks for confirming you don't know what these words mean.
>>744724783The cube is not moving on the orange side, but the second even one atom of the cube enters it should move away from the blue portal, this would cause a stretch or breakage depending on the cubes material or depending how fast the orange portal was moving, if the orange portal moved extremely fast the cube would get ripped apart almost entirely (if we assume it’s B)I actually think B and A are incorrect and a moving portal repels you and doesn’t let you enter
>>744724601Correct. So your claim that>>744724208>A is the outcome of you just look at the code of the game then retard is false.
>>744723686I've dumbed it down as much as possible for Atrannies so they can understand (they still won't)
>>744724920The thing gets sucked out by the vacuum of the moon‘s atmosphere. Doesn’t have anything to do with the portal magically giving objects moving through it momentum.
>>744724942>bunch of shit that doesn't disprove capacity to exceed speed of lightyawn>Have you observed light going faster than the speed of light yet?Every time I walk with a flashlight.
>>744724972>baseless claims ok
>>744724841>>744724840moon is going very fast sidewayswhen chell goes through the portal she gains that sideways velocity, otherwise the moon would leave her behind in spacetherefore relative motion of portals imparts velocity on things that go through the portal
>>744724947>Mr. Planck! You can't call it "Planck's Law" to for compressed wavelengths formula!OK tell that to Mr Maximus Planck
>>744725020OK, so why doesn't the moon zoom away from it at 2000m/s or however fast the moon is moving relative to the entry portal?
>>744724863From the cube's frame of reference, the room flung itself around the cube.
>>744724920This really doesn’t support B, if you’re using the portal on earth as a reference this is the opposite of OPs image since you’re entering a portal that’s stationary with a velocity and the portal on the moon is the moving one, plus there’s the air pressure difference
>>744725060>He thinks theories are lawsCute!! They're not.
>>744725049That's literally how it is explained to work in the tutorial for portal 1
>>744725060pick a lane, faggot
>>744724920>The moon is moving. The thing goes through the portal. The thing doesn't fly off the moon, but moves with the moon, like B.Uh what? Wheatley flies off, what 'thing' stays on the moon?Anyway the sucking effect is caused by a difference in pressure between an atmosphere with air and one without>>744725050>otherwise the moon would leave her behind in spaceBut other objects do get left behind in space? Wheatley and all the debris
>>744723854>They do however work in a video game, where there is an absolute reference frame to the static world originThe game is just an abstraction of the in-universe events. Aperture is an actual facility and not a series of rooms floating in an endless void. The cutscenes show us how the laws of physics actually behave canonically. And wouldn't you know, the moon scene shows B.>this results in A being the outcome.Wrong. If we go purely by game logic, the result is C: the cube doesn't enter the portal.
>>744724947I assume you have some autistic high-schoolish idea about laws being from data and theories being theoretical? I can tell you that nobody gives a shit about such fart sniffing in any physics department. However, most phenomena described by physics are both experimentally confirmed ("law") and described by a consistent and widely-applicable "theory". Things can certainly be both.
>>744722920Anon, what if I told you that it's cubes all the way down.
>>744725110>>744725130>You have to refer Planck's law as a Planck's theory!Hmmm... nah
>>744725102I concur
>>744725060then why isn't it the Law of Relativity?
>>744725185Because you think semantics are super important so it bothers you, I refer to them loosely because I know when walking with a flashlight the light waves don't go faster than the speed of light
>>744725168>not understanding human ego this hardkek
>>744725135They get left behind vertically (through the portal) which is caused by the wind being sucked through the portal at a comparably low speed (~10mph)They don't get left behind horizontally because they gain the orbital velocity of the moon (~2200mph).
>>744725160The molecular bonds present an equal and opposite force acting against the other molecules, cancelling it out.
>>744725050>>744725072Check is tethered to Wheatley and then Glados the entire time.
>>744725254Well are you going to call it "Planck's Theory" because your ego overrides his?
>>744725248it's not the semantics so much as it is the absolutism from faggots that haven't gone a step beyond their own country's borders let alone into the universe.>LIGHT CAN'T BE EXCEEDED! IT JUST CAN'T! WE SEE EVERYTHING AND KNOW EVERYTHING FROM THIS ONE PLANET!
>>744725291So FUCKING what? The moon is moving at 2000m/s. Do you see the nigger who goes through get jerked away at 2000m/s sideways, or not?
>>744725291*Chell
>>744725050a friends would never select a as drawn here. local effects effect local objects, you come through and become effected by every effect that the moon/space around it can impart. portals don't give anything...
>>744725146>He still doesn't know what a "law" isCute!Theories and hypothesis are NOT "scientific laws". Laws are proven to be true.
>>744725321Have you heard about telescopes? We have quite a lot of them.
>>744725291Can you visualise how fast 2200mph is? A passenger jet only flies at around 600-700mph.
>>744725381kekso now observing from other references is A-OK?sure thing einstein
>tfw too stupid to know which side is funposting
>>744725373There are countless things in physics and generally in science that are called laws, but are not "proven" to be true, nor could they be.
>>744725261>They get left behind vertically but not horizontallyIf this was the case then they would have simply crash landed back to earth since the portal was earth-facing
>>744724437>what part of the portal makes contact or imparts energy? None. It doesn't need to. The cube just keeps moving as per Newton's first law.>>744724496>a portal is just a magical hoop. A magical hoop, maybe, but you're talking about regular hoops.>Because relative to the surroundings, one object moves, and the other doesn’t.Why do the surrpundings matter? What if this was in space with no surroundings? What if the exit portal was on a train moving separately from the first room?Your theory introduces too many variables that don't have any logical reason to affect the outcome. If we're talking portals, we can disregard everything but the portals and the object unless you can prove that the surroundings affect the outcome and explain the mechanism behind how they do that.>Self-awareness is the first step, retard-kun.And you're failing it this bad.
>>744725328The air flowing through the portal is a far more significant force compared to the vacuum of space hitting her at whatever speed the moon is moving. Air has infinitely more mass than a vacuum.
>>744725313no, but I will because it's a theoryhe hasn't proven shit
>>744725429>Baseless claim>Zero examplesSharty melty
>>744725419everyone who argues for B is trolling all you need to know
>>744711791I don't know why B-fags think this is some gotcha. Yeah it looks silly but this is exactly how portals work.
>>744725419Atards, Btards think standard laws of momentum apply to something that completely breaks physics and desperately try to explain it with hand waved explanations
>>744725391See >>744725472It so obvious that I’m kinda sad I had to specify it.
>>744725494Sharties, is it?
>>744725419I am.Just pick a side and belligerently defend it.
>>744725419If you pay attention you'll notice that Afags don't put much effort into their arguments and rarely produce any OC. Pretty much everyone who's seen these threads a few times before accepts that it's B, but the thread is no fun if everyone just agrees on that. Some falseflagging as Afags is necessary to get it rolling again.
>>744725321If you truly believe this, then nothing anyone can say to you matters because everything observable is theory except pure logic.
>>744725523>laws of momentumkek, we don't even know what gravity is and you're going to say we have LAWS of momentum?what a fuckin joke you are
>>744725469>because we talk about portals, we can disregard gravity and inertiaI think not, no.
>>744715960This is not the same scenario though? in this picture A-fag guy is moving and the portal is stationary, but in the original the portal is moving and the cube is stationary.
>>744724745>it still has no velocity relative to you. Holy shit you're one retarded fucking nigger. If you are moving relative to it, it has velocity relative to you.>A statue having 0 speed and moving 0 distance doesn't mean it's somehow approaching you.Yes. If it has 0 speed relative to you, it's by definition not approcaching you. It means that either you are standing next to it, or it's running towards you at the same velocity you're running away from it. What it does NOT mean, is that you're running next to it while it's standing still, because then it does have non-zero speed relative to you.
>>744714984portal already break physics you complete retard
>>744725575you are gay because you are a male (man) and you suck dicks. that observable enough for you, homo?
>>744725590We don't know what anything is except for the undeniable light of one's own consciousness.
>>744725524>the moon is moving past you at 2200mph>you think that a 10mph wind column can smoothly capture you and instantaneously accelerate you to 2200mph
>>744725590Telling normies about science was a mistake
>>744725484>Uhhh you know it's called Planck's Law right?>NO IT'S A THEORY>O-oh ok bro...
>>744718692kek
>>744725469b-fags, one of your own is going back on your "portals impart" dogma!..
>>744724668>the cube isn’t movingIt is since the distance between it and the portal is decreasing.>portals are just doorwaysFind me a doorway where the ends can move separately while the distance between them remains the same.
>>744725649that's deep brodeep like the throat your mom givesKEK GOTTEM
>>744724779>again... b fags don't think properties are a thingAgain, do you think speed is a property of an object? You didn't respond to the other post where I asked this.
>>744725274You mean that the molecular bonds cause the bigger mass to pull the lower row with them.
>>744725657Wow, you really are retarded.
>>744724957>The cube is not moving on the orange sideWrong. It's moving towards the portal at the same rate the other side is moving away from the blue portal.>but the second even one atom of the cube enters it should move away from the blue portalYes, and then keep moving and fly away.>this would cause a stretch or breakageWhy? There are no internal stresses to cause that. The atoms in the cube stay at the same distance the whole time.>I actually think B and A are incorrect and a moving portal repels you and doesn’t let you enterThat's provably false since all portals are moving and you can enter them just fine in game. And if it repels you, there must be some force. That adds more questions? What causes the force? How strong is it? Can you overpower it and what happens if so, or is it infinitely strong?
>>744725889he is right thoughsoeverdosobeit
>>744725274I really can't tell if you think that or are trolling.Afag logic breaks down very quickly any time you introduce an independent object at the exit point. If I were to place a person inches from the exit portal. Then the entrance was slammed onto a metal rod. The rod would impart kinetic energy onto the person and impale them like any other moving object.
>>744722484if it's A it would literally slice you in half
>>744711604It just stays sticking out at an angle. Gravity is pulling it from two directions but not enough for it to slide off the slope.
>>744724913>there is no case where a portal works when the portal surface is moving perpendicularly to that surfaceExcept every time portals are used in the game. Nothing is stationary. Heat movement, tectonic movement, or just the vibrations from Chell simply walking, would all move the wall the portal is on perpendicular to it, causing it to close. Not to even mention placing a portal on a wall facing east or west.
>>744725983He’s incapable of reading mostly, or strawmanning. Or just generally retarded. Take your pick.
A-tards are the reason the average person shouldn't have the right to vote.
>"Speedy thing goes in speedy thing comes out">NO THE PORTAL BEING SPEEDY DOESN'T MEAN SPEEDY THING COMES OUT! ONLY THE SPEEDY THING CAN BE SPEEDY NOT THE PORTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>744726163These threads in general prove it. Anyone unironically defending either A or B should not be voting.
>>744725765only as much as an objects position without description could be a property. is existence a property? or just a relative measure? can atomic composition belong to an object? or just collected descriptions of numbered components and relative positions? can weight be a property? or just relative description within a local gravity?bfag relativity brained "people" literally think nothing exists if it cannot be described by the existing rulers and measures we know. most of which require assumptions because direct measure is impossible, only relative measures.>You didn't respond to the other post where I asked this.what kind of beggar are you that i'm supposed to pay attention to?
>>744726054Why not just have the blue portal hover over the volcano?Bfags really are a stupid lot.
>>744726163>>744726250Voting is compulsory in my country. However I'm going to submit an invalid vote because I'm an edgelord.
>>744726340>Voting is compulsory in my country.What country?
>>744726371landownunda
>>744726340How are you going to invalidate it?Will you try to ruin the day of the person checking it or will you try to lighten the day of the person checking it?If your initial thought was one or the other, you're no better than an Afag or Bfag and it's good you aren't voting.
>>744725609No. We can disregard the surroundings. Laws of physics still apply.>>744725684>your "portals impart" dogma!..What "portals impart" dogma? The whole point of B is that portals DON'T impart any force and the cube simply keeps flying away at the velocity it entered.
Honest question here for physics nerds:You're in an elevator heading downwards at x speed/ velocity/ whatever math termThere is a hole in the bottom of the elevatorCube is on a separate platform positioned directly under the hole, not moving When the platform enters the elevator, if the elevator immediately stopped there, would you the observer not see a cube travelling x speed/whatever upwards then immediately stop from their perspective? (disregarding any injury caused to you in the stop)If instead of the elevator stopping, the platform started moving down matching the same whatever, would the cube be flung to the ceiling of the elevator?
>>744726340>Voting is compulsoryHow do they enforce that?Do they threaten to shoot you into space from a moving orange portal with a blue portal pointed upwards if you don't?
>>744711604it could be B or A depending on how fast the portal slams onto the cube which isnt specified in the OP
>>744726423It's literally not compulsory in Aussieland lol
My ex of 8 years with a Ph.D in theoretical physics who graduated from Leipzig University in Saxony Deutchsland says it's A and I happen to agree with him. Both of our IQs are in the genius range by the way. Mine for example is 147. I'm not reading this thread by the way.
>>744726491Worse. It's a $20 fine.
>>744725618All this stemmed from my asking you that if I ran PAST a statue, is the statue moving? This bears an implicit 3rd frame of reference, being the planet. At which point with an inertial frame of reference, it would be clear that I alone was moving. This same 3rd frame of reference, which you spent this entire argument autistically pretending didn't exist, is exactly why the cube doesn't magically accelerate with some hereto unnamed magical force just because a portal accelerated itself towards it.
>>744726542>I'm not reading this thread by the way.Probably the best course of action.It's much the same as any other AvsB thread.Though there are less "the piston stops moving on the top of the cube"fags.
>>744726542Sorry I typo'd and meant B by the way.
>>744726054>The box is both an independent object and notlol k
>>744726560I approve of your invalidation scheme then.Also, how do they track it? Do they have a literal list of who voted what? That seems dangerous in the extreme, especially in this age of political persecution and political retaliation.
>>744726452>What "portals impart" dogma?you're going to have to argue with your "light gets compressed" sempai on this one bfag... go get your stories straight.
>>744726610Damn. Typo'd again. Meant A. Sorry. Just wanted to confirm that I originally meant A, but accidentally typed B. Crazy.
>>744725834The first row of molecules appear in space, the displacing force of the following molecules is resisted by the existing molecules. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Therefor none of that force is transmitted into velocity because it has no clear vector.
>>744711791lol, me when she has no gag reflex
>>744726714Anyway, as I said in the original post, I broke up with my husband 8 years ago and am ready to start dating again.
>>744726253>only as much as an objects position without description could be a propertyThere is no universal coordinate grid that determines your position. It only exists as a measurement relative to other objects. Same for speed and velocity. This is pretty basic physics.>can weight be a property?No. Weight is just a force cause by gravity pulling on mass. Mass is a property of an object.>what kind of beggar are you that i'm supposed to pay attention to?You started an argument by prentending that Bfags only understand relatives. It's considered common courtesy to respond to posts responding to you.
>>744726489>When the platform enters the elevator, if the elevator immediately stopped there, would you the observer not see a cube travelling x speed/whatever upwards then immediately stop from their perspective? (disregarding any injury caused to you in the stop)Yes. But the injury you're disregarding is a notable difference between portals and mundane holes. If the room containing the exit portal really behaved like the elevator in your analogy then you'd expect to see picrel. B thinks that the portal's ability to mess with velocities and things doesn't extend beyond the boundary of the portal at all, so vases shouldn't fall off the shelf, and a man standing near to (but not in front of) the exit portal shouldn't be injured.>If instead of the elevator stopping, the platform started moving down matching the same whatever, would the cube be flung to the ceiling of the elevator?The cube would be flung to the ceiling in this scenario yes. Much like how if you jumped into a moving train through an open door/window you'd tumble and fall to the back of the carriage.
>muh velocity is relativeYes but only a force or acceleration can change your velocity so tell us Bfags where is this magical force coming from by merely entering a portal?
>>744726913Thank you for the honest answer, plop with vases falling off the shelves is now the best answer I have to this scenario.
>>744726163You do realize it’s completely retarded to argue for either right? You’re trying to apply actual physical laws to a fantasy object that breaks them. You might as well be applying physics to tinkerbell. If you are seriously arguing a or b you’re a peak retard
>>744727081There is no force and no acceleration.The cube had velocity relative to the portal and it maintains that velocity relative to the portal after passing through.
>>744726913>>744727086Actually, with that in mind, is there anything that makes plop with vases falling off the shelves a less valid answer than woosh?
>>744726579>All this stemmed from my asking you that if I ran PAST a statue, is the statue moving?Amd the answer to that is yes, the statue is moving relative to you.>This bears an implicit 3rd frame of reference, being the planet.Not really. You asked about you and a statue. If you wanted to know if the statue is moving relative to the planet, you would need to include that in the question. The answer would be no.>This same 3rd frame of reference, which you spent this entire argument autistically pretending didn't exist, is exactly why the cube doesn't magically accelerate with some hereto unnamed magical force just because a portal accelerated itself towards it.Why does the portal care about that? What if the cube and portal were in space? If you want to argue that the portal is affected by the surroundings, you need to build a model that explains why that is.
>>744727267Why doesn’t it maintain its zero velocity to the blue portal? More hand wavey explanations from Btards
>>744727086Respect for at least having an internally consistent answer, though I disagree with it.>>744727295It's privileging one portal's reference frame over the other. Why does it behave like an elevator dropping on a stationary cube rather than a cube being flung into a stationary room? You've just decided that one room is moving and the other is not.
>>744727358When it's passing through the portal it has a greater than 0 velocity relative to the blue portal.
>>744726897>there is no position but relative positiondo you not understand something can exist without the description? we need the description, yes, but it doesn't take away existence without one. it also only implies other descriptives, because we cannot directly measure.>mass = objects within object, how many objects is a propertysure>pretending bfags...don't need to pretend in a thread filled with all the screeching and hand waving that bfags do, evidence is written on the screen. and you want me to look for (you)s in all this?
>>744727367That's my question, isnt woosh also priveliging the exit portal over the cube portal? Aren't both equally valid?
>>744727336>If you wanted to know if the statue is moving relative to the planet, you would need to include that in the question. The answer would be no.I could have been clearer, but when I ask about moving past something rather than towards something, that implicitly includes a third point of reference. >Why does the portal care about that?The portal is irrelevant, it's the cube that cares. What force provides acceleration to the cube?
>>744727417But only the part that’s passing through an infinitely thin barrier, the cube would be ripped to shreds
>>744727442B's explanation of woosh is privileging the frame of reference of the portal itself (drawn here back-to-back), and only for matter which passes through the portal. It doesn't prefer one portal over the other.You could describe a woosh by arbitrarily picking one portal yes, but that's not what 99% of Bfags actually think.
>>744727534No, at all points in time the velocity within the cube is 0. There are no meaningful internal forces.
>>744727613Exactly so it wouldn’t move unless you violate newtons laws
>>744727554But what makes the portals frame of reference "correct"? Particularly since the portal is something that is changing it's for lack of a better word length? Like a slinky with one half moving I guess, it seems like you'd never get the same answer from two measurements
>>744726669Your ballad has your personal details on it.Then they cross reference that with the list of registered voters and see who's missing.
>>744727742I don't think there's any "length" - no space between/inside the portals.For correctness I'd just say that if you work in the portal frame you can apply some conservation laws on matter moving through, even conservation of momentum. And that gives you satisfying results in other problems, like this train one in picrel.
>>744727757Sounds sketchy as fuck to have your details on the same paper as your choice. Can you detach your details from the actual vote after you've been crossed off the attendance list?
>>744727864A more interesting scenario is you enter a portal going 1 m/s but the portal on the other side is moving 2 m/s, would you even be able to get through? If you gain the momentum of the portal on the other side then you’d essentially get your limbs torn off
>>744727864But portals by their very nature are violations of physics, just seems contrary to me that they be the priority to apply physics too. Choosing the most satisfying answer I can understand, but I'm still torn between plop (avec vase) and woosh
>>744728007I agree that they can't be real. I take these threads as>if they had to be real, what would make the most sense with our current understanding of physicsAnd for me that's B. Being able to still apply conservation laws in some constructed frame of reference lets you come up with solutions for other portal problems.I'm interested how your vasesmasher theory would handle other situations like the train pics, this one, the moon, etc.
>>744726913This completely destroys Bfags and their arbitrary rules I’m a vasechad now
>>744728308How far away could the vases be and still get smashed? 1000 miles? 100000?
>>744727472>when I ask about moving past something rather than towards something, that implicitly includes a third point of reference. I guess. Fair enough.>What force provides acceleration to the cube?It doesn't need to accelerate since it's already moving towards the portal. Everything we see in the games is consistent with the portals working based on Relative velocity in = Relative velocity out. Based on that, the velocity between the cube and orange portal is what determines its exit velocity. If you think the portals would work under some different mechanism, like resetting the velocity relative to the exit portal after exiting, or calculating velocity relative to the main source of gravity, or something else that would lead to A, you're free to build a model around that that explains how it works and show that it's consistent with the games. As far as I'm aware, Bfags are the only ones who've ever built such a model and as such, I believe it's B.
>page 10see you next time bros
>>744728473Amazing strawman
>>744728392It’s not moving relative to blue at any point until it touches the infinitely thin barrier of the portal. If you were the cube you would HAVE to feel an acceleration as you touched the the portal, but since it’s infinitely thin and suddenly propelling you, likely you’d be ripped to shreds
>>744725142How do you resolve Chell moving 1km/s perpendicular to the Earth-side claw holding her back?
>>744727985>A more interesting scenario is you enter a portal going 1 m/s but the portal on the other side is moving 2 m/s, would you even be able to get through?Yes. Why not? I'm not sure if you meant moving 2 m/s forwards or backwards. If forwards, you just exit at 3 m/s. If backwards, you'd exit at -1 m/s>If you gain the momentum of the portal on the other side then you’d essentially get your limbs torn offWhy would you?
>>744728894I meant the -1m/s case, which means the portal is still moving 2m/s in the opposite direction throwing you back into the portal, so you would never be able to enter it
>>744728790>It’s not moving relative to blue at any point until it touches the infinitely thin barrier of the portalSo you think the velocity resets to what it was relative to the blue portal before entering? What if the exit portal is moving, say on a different planet?>If you were the cube you would HAVE to feel an acceleration as you touched the the portalWhy? At no point does the cube experience acceleration or any kind of force. Internally, every atom is in the same place relative to the rest for the whole duration of passing though.
