What's the /v/erdict on Elden Ring 4 years later?
it's shit
it was okayi din't play ht dlc
Great gameDLC had a good map but it was empty as hell, also scadufragments SUCK ASS
10/10
>>744862002it was caca
>>744862002never played it, never will simple as
>>744862002has it really been 4 fucking years
>>744862002It makes the browns paid to shit on good games real mad because no matter how much they flood the board with anti fromsoft threads people will still jump on the occasion to play their next game.
>>744862002I didm't eben know they made 2 and 3
open world will always be slop even if you slap dark souls on it
>>744862368Luckily it's not a straight ubishit open world. It's classic dark souls dungeons and locations WITH ubishit open world parts glued to it. So you have the great intertwined labyrinthine levels and then on the side big spaces with nuggets of reused content à la ubishit.
7/10
>>744862002Dark Souls + Open World = KinoI don't think any game will ever reach this level again.
>>744862002I was a hater but now I admit is the great work of art of 2022 (whenever it dropped)
Great game that gets worse and worse as the scaling and difficulty keeps throttling your build until you're pretty much just rolling and R1ing.
>>744862002Utter Rollslop
Good base game, but unfinished DLC with a final boss feeling like he went straight out of base DS2 in terms of ugly animations and nonsensical lore that left a sour aftertaste.
>>744862002Amazing with mods
Idk but I'm about to redownload it 3 years later, not gonna get the dlc, but I wanna try this cause it looks insanely ridiculously fun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ17ndiyLAQ
>>744862002It is dogshit, some would say Elden DOGSHIT Ring.Open-world slop is always a mistake.
>>744862002that game is such unoptimized piece for shit for its 2010 visuals
>>744862563It's 60+ hours worth of meandering open world shit with 6 proper levels total, and they aren't even especially good. At least (some) ubisoft game worlds feel alive compared to this static turd of an open world
>>744863505Opposite for me. I was coping for the first few days after release before I realized how shit the game was
The worst game to NG+. When you've done grinding your weapons and levels you realize just how much of the game's content is just meaningless fluff and how little there is when it comes to legacy content, i.e proper boss fights and dungeons. But it was fun for the first time I went through it. Not a game I'll ever replay though.
>>744862002>What's the /v/erdict on Elden Ring 4 years later?I found it boring. My least enjoyable Fromsoft title by a long shot when I first started playing their games from Demon Souls.
>>744862002Pretty good game, I got many, many hours in it but it triggers my constantly-rerolling-characters-in-rpg syndrome like fucking crazy.
>>744862002It's the greatest video game ever made and now I kind of doubt anyone will top it for another 10 years.
>>744866410>It's the greatest video game ever made and now I kind of doubt anyone will top it for another 10 years.Same was said about Dark Souls in 2011
>>7448623362 and 3 were hidden inside 1. Madlad Miyazaki did it again.
>>744866489It is unreal how beautiful DS:PTDE+DSFix look. Fuck FromSoftware and Bandai Fagco for what they did to Dark Souls on PC.
>>744866353>My least enjoyable Fromsoft title by a long shot when I first started playing their games from Demon Souls.What didn't you like about ER?
8/10It's a chore when it gets badbut when it's good there's nothing as good as elden ring
2026 and From Soft still hasn't figured out how to make their weapon skills actually viable. There are like a handful out of hundreds in Elden Ring that are viable and good, but most are pretty awful with commitments that will only make you die 100% of the time. Meanwhile in Nioh-land you can build into any skill and they are all viable.
>>744862002absolutely overrated
>>744862002It's the first FROM ARPG that isn't downright atrocious to play, unfortunately it still carries a lot of Souls DNA but it's showing that they're finally starting to move on.It's basically the Last Raven of Souls, the culmination of a classic formula stretched to its limits, with all its peaks and lows.
>>744866749Dwag they haven't made switching weapons or taking out crossbow viable probably because difficulty fags who want to roll and poke
>>744866749The vast majority of weapon skills are more than enough viable.>Meanwhile in Nioh-land you can build into any skillThat's because 90% of skills in Nioh are the same exact shit.
>>744866797That's just the trend they are going for. Even giant monsters can't be slow and lumbering anymore. Every single enemy no matter how big or small has to have the speed and agility of Spiderman so they can easily side step away from your attacks. Doesn't matter if it's a giant mammoth, their movement scheme is tied to Quake.
it's okay, was very fun in seamless co-op and has a better sense of progression and discovery than a bunch of open world games, plus even a bad fromsoft soulsborne game is still generally more interesting to play than the average AAA action game imowhat i don't like it is how it's basically sekiro's opposite. sekiro is super sharp, tightly designed and punishing, elden ring is clearly making concessions for accessibility's sake and the open world nature of the game means that more than any other soulsborne game you have to deliberately kneecap yourself if you want a good level of challenge. It's also strange to me that they didn't take lessons from sekiro's combat like having more attacks that scream "jump over this" or a form of blocking that's more engaging so people don't feel compelled to refuse to do it
>>744862002Overdefended, but also overhated; a mixed bag.One criticism i can give which can not be objectively refuted, is that open world is shit.I've also started to value good exploration ( with proper level design ) more so than super epic hype boss fights.
>>744862119Fippy Bippy
>>744866246First (and last) time I did NG+ in it I just did what's neccessary and 45 minutes later I ended up in Leyndell.
Crimson Desert won
>>744867168>sekiro is super sharp, tightly designed and punishingIn what world?Umbrellas alone completely break the game.
>>744866646nta - large stretches of the game are simply not very interesting even if visually there's some really pretty views. The few large "legacy dungeons" stand out as the shit I loved about previous games, they felt like properly designed challenges with even more options than past games a lot of the time which was great but then you got vast amounts of open areas with not a whole lot going on, sometimes 20+ hours of exploring to find some nook of the map with something interesting only for it to be over before in minutes. Too many copy paste crypts with only a handful having any unique features. The game is massive and has a ton of content but a lot of that content isn't very interesting. Despite the DLC feeling super empty at times and not liking the scaling system I did enjoy the more complex navigation required to explore the whole thing and less filler enemies. I spent a holiday with mattpat before the dlc dropped and when he asked me my thoughts on elden ring I told him I liked it but felt so drained after 200 hours of unguided play to the point where I don't see myself doing ng+ anytime soon while many of the previous titles and the newly released ac6 made me want to jump right into another playthrough almost right away.
>>744867623gadgets like that are sekiro's version of all of the different stuff in soulsborne games that let you get around the mechanical action game part of the difficulty and you choose how much you take advantage of them, i figure that's why they're on their own resource that doesn't just come back when you diebut abusing firecrackers or umbrellas or w/e is pretty much it as cheese goes in sekiro. if you don't do that the game has an exceptionally tight difficulty curve, whereas in elden ring if you're just doing a lot of open world content you have to consciously go "okay i'm not gonna use these tens of levels i'm getting from exploration" if you don't want the area boss to evaporate
>>744867759I'd argue they shat the bed with roughly a half of legacy dungeons too. Stormveil and leyndell are great, albeit too easy. Elaphel and farum are decent. But Raya Lucaria is insanely disappointing, just a narrow line barely even taking place inside an actual academy, it's mostly a lame graveyard, open plaza, and rooftops. Redmane is a literal dogshit, feels like a small fort elevated to legacy dungeon. Volcano Manor literally feels unfinished, with a teleporter in a corner of a random ass room two steps away from a site of grace taking you to a boss. Underground cities are all half-assed and exceedingly linear, with nothing interesting to find.Hell i'd argue not a single DLC legacy dungeon is well-made, all of them continue this downward trend in terms of level design.
cons>still no easy mode with simple damage modifiers>25 goddamn weapon levels and no way to refund materials>locking the dlc behind mohg >map is too big, game too longpros>reasonable file size and well optimized (unheard of it modern open world gaming)>beautiful vistas >tons of new gameplay mechanics>memorable characters>solid replay valueall time classic game
>>744862002that this board doesn't paly videogames
>>744862002>defeated first boss >realize it's just gonna be open world dark souls with enemies that have more annoying aoe delayed attacks and aoe spammy attacks in order to ramp up the difficulty of the series due to iframe abuse >get bored and disgusted at the thought >uninstall
>>744868156>>still no easy mode with simple damage modifiersElden DOGSHIT Ring secondary detected.
>>744867979There was supposed to be a zone between Sen's Fortress and Anor Londo. Just look at the Golem's boss room. There's a obvious gateway behind it.Miyazaki did this again in Elden Ring. They clearly focused on Limgrave as the first impression and rushed out the rest of the gameIt's most visible in areas where they clearly cut corners and rushed it. ESPECIALLY with those shitty butthole teleports all over the fucking map.>Divine Bridge to Godrick's rune - the bridge collapsed and someone decided to put a teleporter there to the other side? And it just pops you out of thin air without a teleporter back right there>Redmane Castle - teleporter from outside the walls to the inside? Why does it exist? And also a teleporter from a beach to Radahn's arena>Four Belfries have four teleports taking you to completely arbitrary nonsensical places with dead ends.>Said Limgrave bridge has a lazily placed teleport ON A SLOPE so it's halfway into the ground, like a badly implemented mod, because the bridge is supposed to be whole.>There is no natural way of getting to the Haligtree. If it was at least some Grand Lift level of unique asset, it would be forgivable, but this is YET AGAIN the shitty butthole teleport.>Radahn castle and arena having those butthole teleports again.>Shortcut to Maliketh in Caelid is a shitty teleport hidden in some bushes.Limgrave map in Nightreign is clear communication that they think it's the best zone
>>744862002it's okay until you beat the capital, then the game quality falls off a cliff. Weirdly enough the bosses feel like the weakest part of the game
Atleast it's not Dark Souls 3.
>>744862002Never played it. Looked boring.
>>744862119Fpbp
>>744862002I have been playing it for the last 1-2 months or so and I think it's fantastic, best game is the souls series so far.Yes the bosses aren't as creative as they were in Demon's, and Sekiro's core combat and stealth gameplay are still unmatched, but overall nothing can touch this game.I think the best thing about it is how all the offensive classes received various goodies this time around.Strength is great with powerstancing and colossal weapons, dex is validated by the katanas alone.Int received tons of great spells like Comet Azur and Night Comet, faith actually became a proper offensive class with the arrival of flame incantations and stuff like Stone of Gurranq and Pest Threads.It feels like they even turned bows into a proper option this time around, due to weapons arts and also powerhouses like the Lion Greatbow.I'm also really loving the world design, it's fun to go into a cave below Raya Lucaria and at the end you can take an elevator all the way up and you suddenly end up at the roof of the tallest tower in the middle of the academy.Or you go into the woods and you find a big sleepy bear but after it's gone you find that it was sleeping on top of a hidden stairwell. It's small things like that that give it that sense of adventure.
classic dark souls>boss is just big dude with big hp and slow attacks>finally get to go ham and really try your weapons>still had to be careful as boss hits hardnu-dark souls>overanimated>attack faints>spastic movements all over the arena>cool to watch, annoying to play against
>>744862002It's really good.
>>744866489Yeah, and it took ten years for Elden Ring to come out and dethrone so it lines up.
Elden mid...worst From game ever...
>>744869027>nu-dark soulsThat started with Dark Souls 3Elden Ring is essentially Dark Souls 3-2
>>744869027The issue with modern bosses is that while they are getting progressively more complex features and movesets including god damned mid combo guard points, the player character is still stuck in a 2011 game mechanically. They either need to commit to the change and turn their games into action or roll the fuck back.
>>744862002Base game was ok, DLC was so awful that it cured me of my love of Souls.
Elden ring is the best souls game, this thread should tell you about the state of /v/. Nothing but gacha addicted faggots who don't play games
>elden ring 2 is announced>wake up on an island, explore the tutorial dungeon>kill the boss, steal his ship and leave>map is a huge sea with 9 islands total>each island has a dungeon that takes 4-5 hours to explore>find companions along the way, can bring one along into dungeons
>>744868963>Bosses aren't as creative >A festival of war where the NPCs you've met throughout the adventure so far will can be summoned all to take on the champion who rides across the desert shooting gravity arrows at you and flies in on a meteor when he gets serious>legendary witch now gone mentally ill hides behind a game of hide and seek with her children while dropping bits of the environment on you, then a spell is cast to return her to her prime and she fires off all the ultimate sorcery and summons giant monsters as you fight on the reflection of the moon >Weakling Nobel who has stitched together all the strongest warriors to his body and halfway through the fight rips off a dragon's head and sticks it on to his body as an arm I would say the bosses in ER are the most creative
>>744869197The player character is way, way stronger in ER than any of the past games save maybe Bloodborne. It's just people don't use the mechanics they've been given they just stick with what they know from Dark Souls.
>>744869292>>find companions along the way, can bring one along into dungeonsAnon, please tell me where you live because I have the urge to visit you and strangle you.
>>744869341>I would say the bosses in ER are the most creativeMechanically, not really. They are a massive step up from DS3, but a lot of the creativity is riding on the coattail of earlier games.
>>744869478Companions are cool, summons are fun. Fuck the purists who think you can only play these games with sword and board. You don't get street cred for beating a souls game, it's not impressive it's just a cool RPG
>>744869478spirit ashes can now be summoned anywhere
>>744869380He is stronger because of overpowered L2 buttons melting everything to shit and generally overpowered gear, not because he's better mechanically.
>>744867949>but abusing firecrackers or umbrellas or w/e is pretty much it as cheese goes in sekiroWith all due respect, I don't think you have very indepth knowledge about Sekiro.Even putting aside the completely broken prosthetics there's multiple sword techs like Reverse Nightjar or Ichimonji that also break enemy AI or are blatantly overtuned, Sekiro has animation reading so aggressive they had to patch the game multiple times because most enemies including SSI could be locked into an infinite autowin loop by alternating between parrying and a single R1 and while most of it has been patched by now it's still so aggressive to this day there's still abuses like sip loops, even some Ninjutsu completely breaks enemies because they have no answer to a lot of the shit you can do.The worst part is that your tools are either completely broken or completely useless with no inbetween, mostly because outside of having bad balance in terms of numbers they forgot to design SOMETHING around some of them like in the Spear's case which has TWO enemies in the entire game with an actual interaction, or the axe which has literally just one enemy, the mooks with a wooden shield in the past section, with an actual interaction, the game is a complete mess of undercooked ideas.
>>744869561I would like this. Make it a charge instead that gets refilled when you rest at a bonfire. You can desummon them and resummon them but they keep their HP.
>>744862002Base game is great, though it could've had some more boss variety.DLC was good, but exploration was lacking compared to base game. The final boss was ass on release, but he's fine after the nerfs.
>>744869573Use Jump, crouch, and guard counters retard
>>744869539I don't care about difficulty, but companions are the death of fun.
>>744869606I could forgive a lot of Sekiro's fuckups if it weren't for the spirit emblem system, fuck that shit. It basically introduced a progressively heftier fee for even using prosthetics, and made the underhwelming ones like sabimaru even worse as a combo extender for example.
>>744862002It's was alright. 7/10, a bit too big.
>>744869292>>elden ring 2 is announcedKeep dreaming. Miyazaki dislikes Elden DOGSHIT Ring, he even went out of his way to shit on it when receiving the GOTY for it and assuring the True Gamers that he will make far better games than Elden DOGSHIT Ring.>>kill the boss, steal his ship and leaveDark Souls II already did this.>>map is a huge sea with 9 islands totalCringe.>>each island has a dungeon that takes 4-5 hours to exploreAlready experienced "4-5 hours to explore" dungeons in previous Souls games, so no thanks.>>find companions along the way, can bring one along into dungeonsGIGA CRINGE. Normalfag shitter dumbed down casualization nonsense.FromSoftware, if they ever make another Souls-ish game, should set it in a massive metroidvania labyrinthine giga structure that confuses the shit out of you normalfags and open-world slop subhumans.
>>744862002i saw golden age mod yesterday and despite it being a chinese theft mod i'm still looking at it like when are fromsoft going to make peak with their own assets, plus RWBYs scythe apparently holy fuck was that coolelden ring itself is mid now and needs night reign mechanics to catch up to itself, at the least. and night reign still needs SOTE stuff, mods don't count when talking about official games. alternatively hire modders.no vanilla seemless is bullshit also, consoles just suck and GPUs just tripled in price, guess ill go fuck myself the map is really fun to explore, once, too. the whole formula is lacking something but its over my head what that could be, I used to think randomizing group formations and removing the origin anchors would help fill out the places we sprint on torrent between, like, ds2 used to punish enemy skippers. now you can just calmly boss rush the whole game pretty much.
>>744869713>if it weren't for the spirit emblem system, fuck that shit. It basically introduced a progressively heftier fee for even using prostheticsThat is S-Tier game design. Prosthetic tools are situational tools, not your main gameplay system, it should be limited, keep crying you low IQ subhumans, FromSoftware knows better.
It was okay first time through. I always play blind and strength so it was a hell of a struggle since even on a strength build I'm not a great weapon user. Then I figured out guard counters and it became pretty cool.On subsequent runs and reading how the game is actually played I couldn't believe it. Weapon arts builds are insane depth and replayability. Extremely fun.My only gripe is that you don't get your third talisman slot until fairly late in the game. And that's if your build can live with only 3. It means if I get a new build in mind I got to dedicate like 20 hours of my life before I can even play it.
>>744869713Yeah, no idea why they had to scrape off Bloodborne for that either, but I guess using meter or cooldowns for prosthetics felt awkward to someone in the design team.You can really see how Sekiro was supposed to be a Tenchu game that got completely redesigned mid development because they didn't have confidence in the Tenchu brand so they pivoted to the Souls community by making this weird inbred Tenchu Souls abomination that does neither sides well.
to be honest, ds2 is still better than elden ring.dark souls (except the worst one, 3) were all always open world basically.ds3 is actually the worst one, because you're just warping to shitty dungeons that are actually just your whole run back.>tl;drds3 sucks and you're retarded if you like it.
One of the best games of the last 10 years
>>744869341True but most of those are unique contextually, not necessarily gameplay-wise.Maybe I'll grant Radahn because of his fuck-huge arena (and your own ability to ride Torrent there) but generally it's all pretty straight-up dual-type fights.Whereas in Demon's you had shit like the Phalanx, a much slower boss which was more about thinking how to get past all those little things so you could hit the big blob.Or those manta rays flying through the sky, or the final boss of the valley of defilement which was like something out of fucking Shakespeare.The far majority of ER bosses are>1 big strong guy>huge arena>go duke it out togetherI mean, the way Rennala starts out was actually interesting, and then they went and made it another 1 on 1 duel again.If for instance, rather than such a fight she would constantly teleport around the library (kinda like that witch in the grand archives from DS3), that would already have made for a more original fight.One where you're not just trying to dodge hits and land your own but rather you're dodging long-range spells and trying to find the damn bitch wherever she's hiding out.
>>744869675There's literally no difference between guard counters in ER and simply attacking after guard in previous games. This entire mechanic didn't add or change jack shit, it's just a set of mildly flashier animations.Rolling and iframes shit on both crouching and jumping, that shit is insanely situational and requires extensive amount of trial and error, unlocked forward dodging still breaks the ai of most bosses just like it did 15 years ago.
>>744869967They ditched this shit system themselves.
>rise of ronin, avowed, outer worlds 2, open world games in general>always turns my pc into a jet engine>elden ring, pc purrs like a cat
>>744862002It was really great. I've been meaning to find the time to go through it again but I'm dreading going through the Limgrave checklist again.Leyndall and Farum Azula are some of the best environments I've explored in a videogame.
>>744870371>They ditchedNice headcanon retard-kun.
>>744870220>Whereas in Demon's you had shit like the PhalanxER quite literally has Phalanx as a common enemy.NOBODY likes Storm King either, which Rykard still references but manages to be the first good Storm King fight ever, and pretending that Astraea is the boss and not Garl Vinland in fucking 2026 is getting really old.And no, most bosses in ER are not like your greentext either, largely because most bosses are either human sized or in tiny rooms, hard to say phase 2 of Rennala is a 1 on 1 either when her gimmick is that she can use her own spirit ashes like the wolves or the troll while pelting you from afar.>One where you're not just trying to dodge hits and land your own but rather you're dodging long-range spells and trying to find the damn bitch wherever she's hiding out.It's called Preceptor Myriam, not sure why you're glazing fucking Crystal Sage while also forgetting that there's an entire dungeon with TWO fights that use the same idea.
>>744870020Should've been a mix between Metroid's missile tanks where you find additional charges for each of them in the environment and Nioh's replenishing consumables where they'd refill along your healing items.
Honestly I got tired of every single boss having a phase 2 gimmick
>>744870910Powerups are kino though
>>744870793>nowhere to be found in ER>nowhere to be found in AC6>nowhere to be found in nightreinget fucked together with this shit system
>>744870974>I won't give my all in a life and death encounter from the start because... I just wont, OK!?
>>744870854Wo Long introduced a far more elegant solution with Spirit. No need for an extra layer of resource management, you spend what you gain in combat and can fire off a few attacks from neutral while putting yourself in a disadvantage with negative spirit.
>>744870974Sure, when they happen once or twice. When every boss has a powerup it loses all its magic
>>744870981To be fair AC is overwhelmingly ammo based and with a completely different model so that's a bad pick
>>744871107And yet that model is vastly superior to BB's bullets and talismans. You get enough ammo between checkpoints and get them back for free. If it was like in Sekiro you would be jewed for resources even for melee weapons.
>>744862002you don't need all those autistic numbers on your screen you fucking poser>oh heavens my thread count has reached 845 it's critical that I be aware of this at all timesfuck off I despise PC retards like this
>>744870981>>nowhere to be found in ERDogshit game made by different team.>>nowhere to be found in AC6S-Tier game which features limited ammo as primary system, this is total opposite of the point you are trying to make.>>nowhere to be found in nightreinMeh side-project and game made by new employees for training under Junya Ishizaki, which used this project to practice his first solo directing of a gameYou are clueless and another secondary newcomer low IQ subhuman. You do not understand FromSoftware nor good game design.>get fucked together with this shit systemGet filtered by Sekiro and Bloodborne systems like the shitter you are.
Slop/10
>>744863756>pretty much just rolling and R1ing.that's not true anon, I rolled and L2ed.
>>744872989>which features limited ammoRestored for free on checkpointsHave individual ammo countsYou're given enough ammo to murder everything between checkpointsMelee weapons don't use charges of any kindGet fucked. This shit system is dead.
I got to like farum azula (plus finishing the DLC) before giving up, the game had run its course. I still really like it but it'll be fucked if they make the same ubislop open world again for next game. They should make sekiro 2.
>>744862002lowest replayability of any souls game that only compounded on this issue in the DLC with the scadu fragment implementationworst invasion system of any souls gameworst weapon balance of any souls gameit's novel on the first playthrough but more or less forgettable, none of the music really stands out and the boss designs are so bloated with cinematic animation bullshit that it all bleeds together into the same epileptic choreography in memoryconsort radahn is probably the dumbest asspull they've ever made
Must be doing something right since it causes so much SEETHE even 4 years down the line.
>>744873318>worst invasion system of any souls gameI'd argue bloodborne had an even worse oneHow could they fuck up like this after DS3 is beyond me.
I got about 75% through on my old roommate's PS5 before he moved out and took it with him.I had fun with it, but it's been a few years and I have no desire to play it again or finish it.Maybe just not for me but I thought it was mid.
>>744873496>causes so much SEETHE even 4 years down the linepoisoning the action RPG genre for the foreseeable decade with every shitty asian study trying to copy it is reasonable cause for disdaineverything is some shitty flavor of souls, elden ring or sekiro parry bullshit now and it's tiresome as hell
>>744871181I mean, sure, but the game structure is so different it's pointless to compare them,BB/Sekiro are open world action games while AC is a mission based game, there's no way you can fit bullets/talismans in AC's gameplay because it just doesn't make sense to have tradeable ammo in a game that is all about finite ammo you have to fit in an instanced mission, it's something they didn't even remotely consider implementing in AC6.
dark souls was and is still better
>>744873162>Restored for free on checkpoints>Have individual ammo counts>You're given enough ammo to murder everything between checkpointsBecause it is incorporated into the main combat system. Armored Core VI doesn't have a secondary optional system like Sekiro prosthetic tools and Bloodborne Gun parries/gun damage.>Melee weapons don't use charges of any kindMelee weapons have other restrictions.You don't understand proper game design. Post your Armored Core VI platinum.>Get fucked. This shit system is dead.We will see in the future ;)
>>744873318What a dogshit game. So happy FromSoftware and Miyazaki are making actual Kino again, like Kinobloods.
>>744873703>BB/Sekiro are open worldRetard-kun, it is time to stop posting.
>>744873603>every shitty asian study trying to copy it>this is from's fault somehowdo you also hold contempt for all black people because your mom burned coal a few times?
>>744873954>Because it is incorporated into the main combat system....and this system has nothing to do with BB and sekiro's resource management garbage
>>744862002I like it. It's my favorite soulsring game and the one I've replayed the most.
>>744874206>BB and sekiro's resource management garbageBB and Sekiro do not have resource management in their main combat systems, only in their optional secondary tools/systems, that is why they are limited. Armored Core VI doesn't have a secondary combat system, you are retarded, lol.
>>744874141>do you also hold contempt for all black peoplewhat an odd thing to say
>>744874345In other words, spirit emblems are thankfully dead and forgotten for almost a decade now.
>>744862002I have fantasized about melina appearing out of thin air and fucking me rough multiple times
>>744873603>poisoning the action RPG genre for the foreseeable decade with every shitty asian study trying to copy it is reasonable cause for disdain>everything is some shitty flavor of souls, elden ring or sekiro parry bullshit now and it's tiresome as hellAnyone who buys "Souls-like" games is a low IQ subhuman who deserves to be exploited by all the shitty chinese copy cats.True Gamers only buy the actual Souls games by FromSoftware.
Why are so many people saying the dlc sucks? It was pretty much "more" elden ring including the same strengths and weaknesses of the main game.
>>744874415>In other words, spirit emblems are thankfully dead and forgotten for almost a decade now.We will see when the S-Team of FromSoftware releases their next masterpiece ;) Especially now that Miyazaki no longer participates in every project and encourages the other directors to solo-direct their projects so FromSoftware can offer a more diverse variety of gameplay experiences for their fans.You shitters will be filtered even harder by the future Action oriented games of FromSoftware, Sekiro will be a mercy compared to what is to come, see pic related.
>>744874446>True Gamersit's not even that, i just miss the janky period where everyone was experimenting with their own take on RPG combat systems; nobody innovates anymore because everything has become a bunch of corporate faggot publisher boomers in suits forcing everything to be copies of copies in the name of conceptual profit>Anyone who buys "Souls-like" games is a low IQ subhumanwatching that chinese wukong game beat its chest over trying to be 'the next elden ring' to the extent of forcing itself into being a temporary national holiday with paid leave was the most pathetic shit i've ever seenfake and gay, the lot of it
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>>744862002rollslop meme is so forced, I have fatigue
>>744874749>it's not even thatIt is exactly that, True Gamers do not support copy cats, only the vile consumerist cultist cattle financially support all the "Souls-like" slop made by the copy cats.>i just miss the janky period where everyone was experimenting with their own take on RPG combat systems; nobody innovates anymore because everything has become a bunch of corporate faggot publisher boomers in suits forcing everything to be copies of copies in the name of conceptual profitIt takes two to tango, they are not the only party to blame, the primary blame lies with the masses of consumerist cultist cattle subhumans that purchase their "souls-like" slop instead of just sticking with the true and real Souls games made by FromSoftware. These subhumans could have bought Dark Souls, but didn't because it is "le old xD" and instead had their first souls experience with garbage like Lies of Piss and Wu Chang: Fallen Feathers.>watching that chinese wukong game beat its chest over trying to be 'the next elden ring' to the extent of forcing itself into being a temporary national holiday with paid leave was the most pathetic shit i've ever seenfake and gay, the lot of itThat game sold insanely well, it probably outsold some FromSoftware games.
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>>744862119/thread
>>744874067>more sloppy multiplayer dogshit with none of what made Souls games good>''kino''Dunno how you can righfully see why ER is bad but still be excited for Slopbloods, this is just a continuation of the slop
>>744874138>t. doesn't know what open world actually isThey're literally open world games, there's almost no instanced section outside of small parts like the past memories section in Sekiro, it's all seamless.
Best game in a while but given the absolute state of modern vidya its not saying much
>>744873168Farum Azula is the final dungeon
>>744862002First playthrough was amazing until the burnout sets in by Fire Giant. Never want to play the game again and don’t give a flying fuck about the DLC either, open world was a mistake and the combat is fucking ass by this point, roll slop is an appropriate title.
>>744875117>That game sold insanely wellthey used the hollywood playbook of buying your own ticketsyou should look up how china was mass-distributing 'purchased' copies of wukong among the masses, i wasn't joking about the 'turning it into a national event' thing. they straight up had district-wide mandates for people to purchase or positively criticize the gamei wish i kept the articles about it but it's one of the most clown world capitalist things you'll ever read. china's entire gaming division is psychotically obsessed with elden ring's successyou might remember the recent 'fromsoft under fire' thing of whatever publisher fucking with them; it was a chinese division pushed by a ((chosen one)) trying to sabotage them out of spite for, you guessed it, elden ring's sales metricsthe whole thing is just a completely retarded ouroboros at this point
>>744875117>it sold insanely well>In ChinaYes anon, most Chinese made movies and games sell like hot cakes because their people are essentially forced to consume or their social credit goes downIt did rather poorly in the rest of the world
>>744862002Game of the decade.
>>744862002I really enjoyed it. DLC should have been in the game from the start, though.
>>744862002It's alright despite the dogshit open world.
>>744875598>you should look up how china was mass-distributing 'purchased' copies of wukong among the masses, i wasn't joking about the 'turning it into a national event' thing. they straight up had district-wide mandates for people to purchase or positively criticize the gameWTF, I'll do some research on it, I practically stopped caring about the game when I learned it would be an UE5 engine game, I refuse to buy an action oriented game that uses UE5.>i wish i kept the articles about it but it's one of the most clown world capitalist things you'll ever read. china's entire gaming division is psychotically obsessed with elden ring's successI remember reading an article how the developer Game Science and its CEO is good friends with the guy behind "Blood Message" which is going to be the "next big chinese game", they and their studios practically have scooped up all the best coders and talented chinese employees and they also have ties with Chinese government, so yeah, what you claim doesn't surprise me.>you might remember the recent 'fromsoft under fire' thing of whatever publisher fucking with them; it was a chinese division pushed by a ((chosen one)) trying to sabotage them out of spite for, you guessed it, elden ring's sales metricsAre you talking about that organization which told Nintendo to make Mario for mobiles and charge money for extra lifes or something like that? While those people are retarded, when I read the Kadokawa financial report, this time, that organization was criticizing the fact that FromSoftware is not self-publishing their games globally and losing profit, SO IN THIS CASE, those people are 100% correct. FromSoftware has expressed for many years that they want to self-publish their games globally, so the sooner they finally start doing it, the better, so that cancerous parasite publishers like Bandai Fagco won't be able to benefit from them anymore. I hate giving money to Bandai Fagco, I want as much as my money to go to FromSoftware.
>>744862002if it wasn't open world it'd be a 8-9/10
playing for the first time right now. I like it, but it really seems to drag on after the middle part. I'm currently getting my ass kicked by godfrey
>>744875623>It did rather poorly in the rest of the worldI hope you are right, I didn't follow it that much after a certain point.
>>744862002A GOAT that makes schizos fume. Tendies have been at war with it since 2022. The moment they get to play it, it'll stop.
>>744875337Yeah I kinda knew that, with only the erdtree remaining, yet I still didn't finish the game. I beat SotE just before a vacation though (i literally had a timer for beating consort before i would miss my train so i cheesed it as much as possible with fingerprint and antspur and mimic and whatever else I could use) so I was out of the game for weeks.
>>744862002Slop that people trudged through and said was good because it was the current thing. Much like Silksong.
>>744876814NTA but the game hit 2 million concurrent players active yet no one really gave a single fuck about it. It was chinkslop to the max and it was pretty obviously meddled with.
i finished it once. i remember being kind of exhausted by the time you set the tree on fire. i tried to finish it again recently but again after torching the tree i just don't feel like playing anymore or i need a break at least. my plan was to play the DLC this time but i haven't even bought it yet because i don't feel like playing anymore. ER is just exhausting. the first half is good though.
It's by far FROM's best game.Easily game of the decade.
>>744862119yeah
>>744873318ER has the best replayability by far because you can get through the starting early+mid areas and have a build ready for the actual meat of the endgame/DLC areas in 1-2 hours, only picking gear relevant to your planned build.It's very similar to DS1's open level design where you could do half the game before gargoyles.
>>744862002Game of the year, every year.
>>744869882Your image would be completely true if legacy dungeons and side dungeons didn't exist.But during a normal run they're easily 60% of the game, even if you traverse the open world like a roomba seaching every corner.
>>744877135I can't wait for the eventual "This final boss is fucking bullshit" with an attached image of Godrick as tendies gets mauled by Limgrave.
>>744869171No, Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2-2 and this time they actually invested talent into producing it to completion.
>>744866489Dark Souls was legitimately a big step forward, Elden Ring doesn't have the same impact - it is just further refining the genre. The jump from Demon's to Dark was fuckhuge.
>>744862002>paso do dao de cacaLOL POOPCACAHOMBRE
>>744862119fippy wippy
>>744878430Not really, DS1 just had better bosses, better level design, estus and poise.ER added far more depth with posture breaks, guard counters, most bosses being parriable, costomizable weapon arts, jumping.It took the best parts of DS1/2/3 with a bit of BB and Sekiro on top.
>>744878414No, it isn't. Dark Souls 2 mogs Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>744878726Based kinosseur
>>744862002Whsts elder ting
>>744862002it was good, you can properly jump and there's a doll wife, i'm yet to play the DLC, waiting for the itch
fromsoft should really just stop trying to recapture their lightning in a bottle moment of DS1. over 4 sequels and none come close. they should head more into the direction of Bloodborne and Sekiro and experiment around with different worlds more.
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>>744878887ER is a different world and it experiments with far more new mechanics than even Sekiro and BB do.DS1 is a barely a 7/10 compared to base ER.
>>744879047delusional
actually my fromslop game is better than your fromslop game
>>744878887DS1 is trash nobody cares about
>>744874562skibidi tree seeds fucked up the balancedlc weapons are neat for pvp i guess?new area sucks putting even more emphasis on verticality, making everything feel claustrophobic for no reasonradahn wankfest
>>744862002The base game is 10/10 first playthrough and 8/10 subsequent playthroughs. But that’s not serious criticism. SOTE is an 11/10 first playthrough up until the final boss which impressively drops the quality of the entire dlc to 9/10. Subsequent playthroughs of dlc are 8/10 if you ignore the final boss and 7/10 if you bother with the final boss. Final boss is not that hard either I struggled more against the pig cavalry boss than consort radahn. He just sucks. He’s not fun to fight, he’s bad for the story, he’s gay, the boss arena sucks, there’s really nothing good about it except that it’s out of the way enough and doesn’t have any amazing items locked behind it, so you can ignore it
>>744862002it's no Duskbloods
>>744879193>and doesn’t have any amazing items locked behind itUnfortunately both the Obsidian Lamina and Furious Blade of Ansbach are both locked behind Gaydahn so you're wrong on that
>>744879193>he’s bad for the storyLmao, Elden DOGSHIT Ring story and lore were DOGSHIT from the start:>le radagon is marika xD>le poopoo eater! SAAR THAT IS BASED! SAAR!LMAO.
>>744878682It ((tried)) to emulate the best parts of those games and came out half baked with no identity of its own, while on top of that it retroactively makes those games less unique.>but dude it has a jump button!!!
>>744879537The only unique thing Elden DOGSHIT Ring does which is its own identity, is the open-world slop.
>>744862002>Cao de cacaPortuguese is so funny
>>744862002It's still the best souls game ever made.
>>744879537"dude it only has a jump button, who cares"Nevermind the main dungeons, ER's mid game catacombs and mines have more complex level design than 90% of DeS and DS1's individual levels.You should just get over yourself, stop seething just because ER made DS1 and DeS completely obsolete in every respect.
>>744862002Its the GOAT. It just is the GOAT.
I don't really feel like I played the game because I just used a 2H strength build the whole way through. Have no idea about what spells are in the game, never used a ranged weapon or shield. No idea what that guard counter thing is for etc
On launch it sucked ass>overturned double bosses chain attacking you to oblivion >launch starscourge and the hitboxes of doom>genuine missing content (took years to add btw)>arc weapons had no scaling so you could only use rivers of blood and then it was like a 5th of the true power of rivers>poor map and ui design made shit confusing as fuck
>>744862002I played it. It frustrated me at certain points. Overall I enjoyed it. I'm never playing it again
>>744880396What was nerfed in updates?
>>744862269why
Better than DeS but the invasion system fucking sucks. Whoever thought having friendly fire for invaders needs to be taken out to the back and shot. Even seamless mod creators did this you crayon eaters
>>744871446based autist
>>744879949lol, take a (you), kind stranger!
>>744880478Every double boss got toned down so you weren't being ragdolled by godskin duo or the crucible knights. They used hit attack animations immediately after the other one and they glued together so you were constantly arrhythmically 2v1d. Radahns hit boxes and speed were teduced.
>>744878726If you looked into the production of the game you know that the scope of DS2 was much larger than the final product and that for example they wanted to make the transitions between the zones (and missing zones) more seamless like ER. But after developing a few zones part of the talent was moved to other projects. If FS committed more devs to DS2 like they did with ER it could've been the well polished and cohered game it was meant to be.
>>744880478from my memories of 1.2:Duo bosses dogpiled you, now they take turns.Radahn's meteorites used to oneshot you even at 50VIG and were pretty fast as well.Frost Stomp had insane damage, frost buildup and basically no recovery time.Bloody Slash had fucking absurd damage scaling, it dealt so much damage you could chunk bosses effortlessly and it was pretty much a oneshot in PvP regardless of your HP.SON&F had enormous scaling as well, especially the comet part.Dragon Spells were completely busted, especially both rot breaths which dealt super high damage and had enormous rot buildupMoonveil had separate hitboxes for both the sword swing and the blade beam which lead to enormous damage and posture damage on R2s at point black.Jumping R1s had very high posture damage.Twin spears had super high damage and status buildup all around.Bestial Sling was all around much stronger, much higher base damage and posture damage.You could chain spells almost universally, a common exploit was using a fast spell and chain it with black blade for instant part 2 cast like in webm related, this lead to some hilarious exploits and glitches in generaliirc these are the more notable nerfs from launch
>>744874621>in my imaginary future I am a winnerbuddy...
>>744881350>iirc these are the more notable nerfs from launchWeren't some enemies shuffled around?
>>744881456Not that I remember, some item locations were changed though like the war hammer that used to be a fixed drop in one of the catacombs in Limgrave.I wouldn't call those nerfs though, they're just changes.
>>744881350Lol I had a FUCK build where I ran around invading people dual wielding rivers and troonveil it was so edgy and retarded they would escape the bloody slash and get blue beamed on the sip
>>744880396>>genuine missing content (took years to add btw)??? They added all the missing quests within a month of launch
>>744881350Oh yeah some another major nerfs in terms of mechanics:Most ashes of war that were categorized as bullets like the ash version Carian Phalanx had the bullet part inherit whatever buffs you put on the weapon, they would inherit extra element and scaling and even status effects so you could have shit like Carian Phalanx supercharged with Bloodflame Blade so each projectile would add status buildup on hit, see webm related.Most of the projectile parts of ashes of wars got nerfed in terms of posture buildup.Flame of the redmanes used to have completely absurd posture damage, like 35 posture damage, you could stunlock anything effortlessly with it, Malenia could barely fucking move at all.Carian Retaliation used to have insane scaling and would oneshot people in PvP even at 60VIG, now it's basically useless.Bloodhound step used to cover a lot more distance, now its range is much shorter.
>>744882130What about SOTE and Nightreign?
>>744881983Shit like patches and the castanets were definitely not fixed in a month
>>744882193Nightreign is a separate game
>>744882224standalone dlc is still dlc
>>744882224With very revealing lore like how the erdtree is one of these
>>744882304The Erdtree isn't one of those, and Nightreign is a completely different continuity.
>>744879949>Nevermind the main dungeons, ER's mid game catacombs and mines have more complex level design than 90% of DeS and DS1's individual levels.You have never played DeS and DaS, you are nothing more than an Elden DOGSHIT Ring newcomer, secondary, tourist and poser. You will NEVER EVER belong in the FromSoftware and Souls community.
>>744862002>first playthrough is magical>DLC is shitImho DeS, DS1 and BB much, much, much better than Elden Ring.
>>744882343You can see the tower in game
>>744881260You are a RETARDED SECONDARY who has no clue what he is talking about. DaS2 was never meant to be an open-world slop dogshit game like Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>744882193iirc the most notable nerf from SOTE were:Throwing knifes scaling on infusions got nerfed to the ground especially for FTH/INT scalings.Bloody Chicken Leg status buildup and posture got nerfed because it was fucking bonkers.Discus' damage was nerfed and the recovery time for the throw got lengthenedClaws of Night's ash of war would headshot consistently on PvP and lead to easy kills, that effect was removed and status buildup on PvP was also significantly lowered
>>744862002game of the generation
>>744862002it's the best souls game
>>744881414>I'm a low IQ subhuman who can't into pattern recognition, therefore everyone else must be like me and those who claim otherwise are imagining thingsI've accurately predicted 99% of gaming related phenomena based on what the developers say and what design choices they make, that is why 99% of the gaming industry is on my black list and I only play good games.My only mistake was Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>744862119BASED
>>744882193Nightreign has its own meta based around its characters. For the most part it's very similar to Elden Ring pre-nerfs, but every character seeks a different weapon depending on relic loadout and current Nightlord expedition. Excepting the Grafted Blade Greatsword and Marais Executioner Sword, which are both broken overpowered, good for anyone in any situation.
>>744882825>Nightreign Did they nerf any bosses?
>>744882347The placement of graces/bonfires is indeed dogshite, and have been since DS3. And don't forget ER also has those statue checkpoints before every boss just so the almighty player doesn't need to do a boss run. It's such dogshit design to cater to player "needs" like this. Have some fucking faith in your playerbase.
>>744882896They made bell bearer king dickhead
>>744882193The release of Nightreign did not come along with any nerfs, buffs, or any changes to Elden Ring.
>>744882896Grafted Monarch is significantly less impressive than Godric the Grafted because he has no dragon to weld to his arm, his second phase was replaced by him using some crucible incantations which are slow and predictable. Not much else comes to mind; most of the hardest bosses aren't in Nightreign at all, their purpose as endgame challenges are replaced by the Nightlords.
>>744881350>from my memories of 1.2:Can this still be played nowadays? I want the OG experience
>>744862002It's legitimately one of the greatest games ever made. I'm doing a full roleplay playthrough with my wife right now.
>>744883060>he has no dragon to weld to his armBiggest miss in elden ring was not having more grafted stuff. For a game about duos and change and synthesis it gives you like 3 merged enemies. Why couldnt the golden hippo walk on centipede legs
>>744882470That's called a "tree trunk". Same below and above the branches, you can see the bark.
I liked it
>>744883171Nightreign goes a little harder with that as its theme is corruption. All the Nightlords are twisted mutants in various ways, and it only gets worse with the Forsaken Hollows; Straghess is a twisted mass of bone and flesh, and Salvation's Standard-Bearers are as gruesome as From Software has ever gotten.
>>744862002I replayed it last year and there’s a lot of shitty samey dungeons with shit rewards. The first time around it’s fine because maybe you’ll find something cool, the second time you already know where to find useful things so they end up being pointless. There’s a lot of “startup” as well. It’s still fun but you can tell they phoned in a lot of it due to it being open world slop.
>>744884123>All the Nightlords are twisted mutants in various waysQRD?
>>744883810uh huh
>>744883810Ok lorelet lol
>>744884310Have you fucking seen them? Also the menu lore explains it pretty succinctly.
>>744884362Yes look at that and below the guy's armpit.At a non 120p resolution. How did you fuck up the image that bad?>>744884402That is Nightreign. Where you're fooling the Night Lord.
>>744884620And the stone door and stone pillar you fight radagon in are just stone because lol not like the bark is growing over ir or anything dumbass
>>744884310Gladius: dogs don't normally have three heads, obviously.Adel: It has no face!Gnoster and Faurtis: These are pretty nominal, apart from colossal bugs. Faurtis's chitin appears to be made of rock, though. Animus is a wispy floating disembodied nervous system.Maris: it's goo. Not that corrupt.Libra: EYES EVERYWHEREFulghor: the Night takes over his missing arm into a twisted mass of darkness.Caligo: just a normal four winged dragon, but Everdark Caligo loses all her skin to the Night.Harmonia: they're all horribly twisted if you look at their bodies. Salvation's Standard-Bearers upgrades them into hideous masses of bloody flesh.Heolstor: three arms and a hollow body.Straghess: piles of bones and rotting meat in the shape of a giant.
>>744884950Night Lords seemed better designed and more interesting than ER's main bosses
>>744884804That is cut into it.Where we fight Radagon is a pocket dimension like the Roundtable Hold we warp to.
>>7448620027/10 game. Better than Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 2 but worse than DS1, DS3, BB and Sekiro.
>>744878215>legacy dungeonsThey're fine but kind of a step down from past games due to the lack of interconectivity and to be honest Stomveil and Leindel are kind of the only stand out ones. SOTE straight up does not have a single good legacy dungeon.>side dungeonsQuite literally all dog shit.
>>744870981>these games that aren't Sekiro didn't use the gameplay system that existed to benefit SekiroSerious question, are you retarded?
>>744862002Great exploration and designs, basic ass gameplay, horribly told story.Basically the ultimate "make your own adventure" game.
>>744885042>cut into it>bark visually growing over it Lol ok sukdeep
Absolute cinema.
Why does it still cause this much seethe almost half a decade later?
>>744885902>bark visually growing over itYou can stop hallucinating
>>744885504Haligtree, Farum Azula, Messmer's castle are all great. Harry Potter land is... okay.
>>744885758>to benefit Sekiro*to make Sekiro significantly worse than it could've been, as evident by a myriad of mods fixing the shit system
>>744886008>Why does it still cause this much seethe almost half a decade later?It's just saltAll of Miyazaki's games are kamige and kino>Demon's Souls>Dark Souls>Bloodborne>Dark Souls 3>Sekiro>Elden RingWatch them seethe over The Duskbloods
>the inside must be completely made of padlock and chain!
Maybe my favorite game. It's up there for sure. This weird recent sentiment that it sucks is just your typical /v/ contrarian faggotry.
>>744862002Unironically worse than DS3, let alone DS1 and BB.
Solidified that there isn't a single open world game worth playing.
I'm playing DaS3 right now. Don't really like the locations, but meh, still fun.
>>744886802>>744886945How many DS3 concepts and ideas are in ER?
>>744886791Or maybe it's just a flawed game that doesn't come close to it's predecessors and you're an insecure pussy who cannot cope with people disagreeing with you.
DS3 was a dissapointment and its fromsofts worst game. Not necesarily a bad game but its not as good as their other works. No atmosphere, the world is mostly a straight line with no branching, shitty enemies, shitty spells and incantations and a drab world even for a souls game.
>>744882953That's one of the better changes for sure. Boss Runs are anti-fun.
>>744886791>>744887068/v/ always takes the angry, bitter and contrarian stanceThe hype for Dark Souls 1, Bloodborne and Elden Ring were unmatched.
>>744886035Just ignore the right side lol
>>744887030Funny you mention that, but I've seen so much content so far in the game, like enemies and movesets that it's giving the feeling that From rehashes things way, way more than I expected. I only played DaS1, a bit of DaS2 and Elden Ring so far. They must be a hell of a profitable company by copying so much stuff and that's why they keep releasing shit every year.
>>744887279See >>744886683And the tree is even at an angle to the entrance.
>>744887257Dark Souls 1 is one of the best games ever made. Bloodborne is one of the best games ever made. Elden Ring is a flawed game that only has the popularity it has due to riding on the coat tails of it's betters that people have convinced themselves that they need to say is the best game ever because everyone else does. Is it a bad game? No it's a good game but it is nowhere close to Fromsoft's best. Not in any aspect be it boss design? DS3, Sekiro and Bloodborne all have it beat. Level design and exlporation? Heck even DS3 has it beat never mind every other aspect. World building? Nothing close to the interesting setting of DS1 or BB. Elden Ring has absolutely nothing it excels at that would make it possible to say it's the best Fromsoft game.
>>744887406Also I can't say that I pay any attention to the buildings, but that must be another thing that they rehashed the shit out of it.
>>744862119fpbpSlop from start to finish.
>>744887516>DS3, Sekiro and Bloodborne all have it beat. Level design and exlporation? Heck even DS3 has it beat never mind every other aspect.Nothing in DeS, DS1, BB, Sekiro, DS3, etc come close to the level design and exploration in Elden Ring.West Limgrave, East Limgrave, Weeping Peninsula, Stormveil Castle, Liurnia of the Lakes, Raya Lucaria Academy, Caria Manor, Ainsel River, Siofra River, Atlus Plateau, Caelid, the list goes on. Every area has better level design than the best level designs of the previous entries.
>>744887934>come close to the level design and exploration in Elden Ring.Stopped reading right there. Elden Ring is the worst game Fromsoft has ever made when it comes to the aspect of level design and exploration.
>secondaries that started with 3 or ER are talking
Dogshit. The open world cancer needs to die already.
>>744887185Dark Souls 3 becomes more apparent when you find out how rushed the game was while trying to make the release date>Dark Souls 3 Blood Fountain - E3 2015https://youtu.be/zQLxV19N-NU?si=c9knkukmMhWAubqw>Dark Souls 3 Sacrifice Ceremonies and Cult Bonfireshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zziY68RdKK4>High Wall Prototypehttps://x.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1619039464688615426>God's Grave (they reused the broken bridge motif a lot in Elden Ring -Altus Platuae, Liurnia, Mt. Gelmir)https://x.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1630487582772453376https://youtu.be/XTgML9waXhc?si=Ke9oFPrYiEDhyBAs>Concept Art of the Abysswatchers mausoleumhttps://x.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1431011282069622789>Bat below the Demon Ruinshttps://youtu.be/saWQR4HfDa0?si=lEs3bZLumyLPCtdv>Many High Wall several assets came directly from mensis>Anor Londo has an unused event called Ruins, Past and Rebirth>Dancer's name is pursuit heroine, within the game you can find disabled and invisible Yorshkka in many places, Cathedral of the deep, Rosaria Chamber, Faron Woods>Oceiros was made by the same designer as Ludwig >Leyndell catapult and other things can be found inside the 2015 gamescom build of Dark Souls 3https://x.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1549037592598876161>Wolf of Eclipse became Red Wolf of Radagon They initially created a fully interconnected world, then they started breaking it up; but High Wall M30 was the first, Firelink M40 was the last map created up until Oct 2015, Kiln was made at the last minute map M41, DS3 is a bit odd when you look at it>王城から街へと移動する演出です「廃都の孤王」の、戦闘開始前演出です「闇の双王子」の、戦闘開始前演出です王城から橋へと移動する演出です「嵐の王」がヒートアップする演出です「蝕のオオカミ」がヒートアップする演出です「枢機卿団」の、戦闘開始前演出ですLance McDonald has the gamescom build (august 2015)
>>744886318mods are for low IQ subhumans, shitters always mod games to make them easier, not helping your case retard-kun. So happy The Duskbloods is Nintendo exclusive.
>>744887185DaS3 mogs Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>744862002The DLC is non-canon.
>>744887256Boss runs added tension. There is no tension in ER boss fights because if you die you just start right outside of the boss room.
>>744887934>explorationexploration in Elden DOGSHIT Ring = running around in a massive boring time-wasting meaningless worthless open-world slop map.
>>744888542SOTE literally feels like some 14 year old's ER fanfiction.
>>744888559Based.
I'll never play any soulslike ever again.
>>744888559If you want tension do a SL1 run. Why the fuck do I have to have my game artificially difficult to appease retards like you who make your identity through stuff like that? "Wow, it took me 12 tries to reach the boss, then I died. This is Dark Souls, this is my game, hell yeah."Go suck smelly dicks for a living if you aren't already doing it.
>>744888856Good. I am so glad FromSoftware took a massive shit in the mouth of all Elden DOGSHIT Ring newcomers and tourists with the SOTE DLC and with Nightreign, both are hated by the vile masses of normalfags who gobbled up Elden DOGSHIT Ring, hope they never come back again.
>>744889028The irony on this post is too thick
>>744862119Holy FPBP
>>744889028>If you want tension do a SL1 run.Self-imposed challenges shouldn't be necessary in a well designed game, retard-kun.>Why the fuck do I have to have my game artificially difficultThere is no such a thing as artificially difficult, a made up concept by shitters to cope.>to appease retards like you who make your identity through stuff like that? "Wow, it took me 12 tries to reach the boss, then I died. This is Dark Souls, this is my game, hell yeah."You are projecting hard, you are the one who tries to seek an identity through gaming. That is why you are so attached to Elden DOGSHIT Ring, because it was accessible and dumbed down enough to not filter you. For the True Souls fans, Elden DOGSHIT Ring is boring and meaningless. A good system punishes bad players and rewards good players, boss run backs are a great way to do that.>Go suck smelly dicks for a living if you aren't already doing it.Homosexuality is a sin, repent and follow the LORD Jesus Christ or burn in eternal hellfire.
>half the replies are "artificial difficulty">webms of gameplay recorded with toaster quality/v/ confirmed bad at vidya and poor/brown
>>744888262The differences between what DS3 was supposed to be and what release was are astounding. It's almost as bad as DS2's development. I wonder what could have been.
>>744888523>posts shit from its dlcDlcs dont count those are the best parts of every fromsoft game. Except shadow that was ass.
>>744889424>>half the replies are "artificial difficulty"Schizophrenia is truly a tragic thing.
>>744889605I am the only human being here.
Elden GOTY Ring wonneredshazamjeets lostered
>>744862002It’s not Elden Ring 4 it’s Dark Souls 4.
>>744889981>It’s not Elden Ring 4 it’s Dark Souls 4.In development it was treated as Dark Souls 4 Ds3 knight in some ER conceptsMiyazaki also stated that the DS3 DLC was a test for ER
>>744875623>>744876994It sold 8+ million overseas.
>>744884620>How did you fuck up the image that bad?I just used my computer's built-in Print Screen key. idk why it lowers the resolution so much
>>744882304Wtf where do you see this
>>744862002I think Sekiro and Armored Core are the best FromSoft games.
>>7448620026gb ram and 2.5gb vram?
>>744888262Thats insane I remember the announcment trailer had a knight creating his own bonfire from a dudes dead body. It was really cool looking and I was honestly excited for it. Ds1 blew my socks off all those years ago and I was hoping Ds3 would too, especially after bloodborne, but it was just ok. I also hated the fanservice they shoved into it. >member siegmeyer!?>member oscar of astora!?The npcs sucked and it was worst of them all to get all achievments in.
>>744862119Yep
>>744889424>>webms of gameplay recorded with toaster qualityThis could be a valid point but I mean what the fuck did you expect, the 4mb limit is too fucking punishing
>>744862002Been gaming since 94 and ER is one of the greatest experience ever for the first 50~60 hours and then the enemy variety gets kind repetitiveDLC is really good too
>>744890941That's Elden Ring with high gparam mod with draw distance on ps4 pro to prove that it can handle it at 30fpshttps://xcancel.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1639724986603544577https://xcancel.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1719199666942689722https://xcancel.com/abyss1neSouls/status/1807634763076849789Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, Sekiro and Elden Ring graphical settings are handled by gparam files, which handle post effects processing. These can be broken down into xml files and with enough time and dedication one could edit the lighting to their liking.
>>744891226>Been gaming since 94 and ER is one of the greatest experience ever for the first 50~60 hours and then the enemy variety gets kind repetitiveWhat are your top 15 favorite games?
>>744889424The filesize limit here really kneecaps webm quality.
>>744862119This souls is normie slip
>>744891335when is 4chan adding av1?
>>744884950What the hell are the Harmonia anyway? They look like things pretending to be angels, then turn into goreblood monsters, and their theme has strong godskin apostles leitmotifs.
The only people that like souls are dudevro retards that like kinoslop
>>744862002since when is there an Elden Ring 4
>>744892473Ever heard of reading comprehension?
>>744892473>he doesn't know about Elden Ring 4>he's just been playing Elden Ring 3 this whole time like an idiotjfc anon, you've been living under a rock. get with the goddamn program.
>>744862002It was fun but the open world is annoying on repeat playthroughs. The dlc was ass.
shitty open world, needed to be 3/4ths as big with the saved dev time going into polishing existing things. SOTE was actually a massive improvement in my opinion barring the dual swords magic knight boss and PCR. overall I think I’d sooner castrate myself over playing another third person arpg developed by fromsoft with the way these have been going.
>>744862002It's good. Open world kills replayability though
>>744891267so you are saying they are all the same game?
>>744896206Same engine
>>744867979>>744868317Elden Ring definitely suffers from being planned out way too big for its own good. It worked overall, the whole, "shoot for the stars so if you miss you still land on the moon" thing paid off here. Because what is there is satisfying enough. But the game was definitely cut back and stitched together with teleporters and weird kludges to obscure how many holes there were left once crunch time hit and they had to get the game out.
>>744897072Elden Ring & Nightreign had to also run on Jaguar CPUThe Duskbloods will be designed exclusively for Switch 2 uses 10% of the power that the PS5 does.
The open field design is complete trash. They completely wasted their attempt at making a cool world
>>744891525Never. RapeApe is a faggot who doesn't give a shit about this site
how terminally online do you need to be to know the name of 4chan's mods?
>>744897739You just learn them from browsing the site a couple of years or join IRC.
>>744862002The only interesting open-world feature were the giant archers launching nukes at player from afar. The only interesting open-world exploration discovery was the lift and the massive underground city it leads to. Everything else was a giant meh. Another slight plus is that there was no level scaling like in Gothic games.
>>744878430>jump from Demon's to Dark was fuckhuge.Wut, they're pretty much the same game mechanically which is why it makes zero sense to dickride DaS for the things DeS came up with which is most of the things that don't have to do with interconnected world
Upon the ancient blood sovereign’s honor... We are monsters, each vying for blood.
>>744862002The game would be better if it got some content removed without adding anything to replace it, that's how bloated this game is.We don't need to kill the worm boss 10 timesWe don't need to do the same catacomb dungeon 20 timesWe don't need to kill the same giant dragon 30 timesThat being said, it's a very cool game aside from the bloat
>>744878430>>744899617They wanted the player to feel heavier in DS1 because he was too agile in DeS. Miyazaki felt DeS seemed as though characters felt way to light. They went with a more slower, methodical feel for the gameplay.Ironically, they brought make many DeS mechanics in DS3, and were even considering world tendency>Firelink Shrine is The Nexus. A hub system like Demon’s Souls. Fire Keeper (火防女) is literally the Maiden in black "黒衣の火防女", with 火防女 being the same word used for firekeepers in Dark Souls>The three main lords of cinder from the opening cinematic (Aldrich, The Abyss Watchers, and Yhorm) kind of mirror Phalanx, Penetrator, and Tower Knight. After them you have the princes, mirroring the (false) king.>Auto-revival (embering) after a boss (or helping as a phantom)>upgrade gems that work like Demon's Souls upgrade paths>Faith giving hp regen with blessed for instance. Blessed weapons regen, there's a regen ring, Adjuticator shield/Ancient Dragon Greatshield has a regen effect, and you have a regen miracle>End game is huge castle with many bosses as you climb to the top to fight the twin princes/king allant
>>744882953DS2 was pretty jarring too, you'd find one pretty much one after the other in a bunch of places and I only remember that happening like once in DaS
>>744862204this, ER was fun as hell. yes mountaintops dragged on. but then they decided 'we want that mountaintops feel for the entirety of the DLC' and lost me
>>744899884The slowness was more accentuated by the fact that the enemies were faster than the movement speed in practice
Game of the Decade.The good things in From games outweigh the bad things so hard it's comical. This former literal who office software company, under the leadership of a literal who former accountant who entered the game industry at 30 years old, has been mogging the absolute fuck out of each and every established game developer.
>>744862002They took Dark Souls 3 (the weakest Souls game), stretched it thin over a massive empty map, and filled the gaps with copy pasted enemies. The only new features are a horse that makes skipping combat trivial and a crafting system that only lets you make low-value items. Every enemy, weapon, boss, spell, location and concept is lifted from an earlier game, but despite that the balance is worse than it's ever been. The story is identical to DaS1 and the quest structure hasn't been adapted to the open world at all, you will brick most quest chains if you aren't using a guide because you didn't know to revisit that pointless empty field where some dickhead hangs out for no reason before you kill a boss 100 miles away that causes him to permanently despawn for no reason.>>744899884>upgrade gems that work like Demon's Souls upgrade pathsHuh? DaS3 copies the upgrade system verbatim from DaS2. It's nothing like DeS where you have to get to a certain threshold before you can branch out to other infusions or add a boss soul.
Thought it was the greatest game ever on the first playthrough, second playthrough 2 years later bored me to tears. Way too much filler
>>744862002I can't get through the DLCIts difficult, sure, but more than that I just get boredHow much roll timing and other such bullshit can I do? How much do I want to do? Not this much, I know that.
Pretty fantastic but I feel Fromsoft would have benefitted from taking a step away from their non stop misery story telling inherent to Dark Souls and give us something with more of an epic upswing at the end. The Roundtable Hold really should have been a bustling hub where everyone you've met shows up to give you quest hints and dialogue and interact with each other. Eventually those character, being aligned with certain regions, then swear fealty to you as it becomes clear you're going to be Elden Lord. I feel like this was hinted at and then abandoned because many questlines are clearly about helping characters usurp the roles and regions of demigods, but then they just die afterwards and the Roundtable becomes a ghost town. Personally, since I failed to save Rhea the first time around, this pushed me to the Frenzied Flame ending because you might as well make the ending truly final. I was also immensely disappointed with the DLC in regards to Miquella's finale. The story pivoting to focus on Radahn instead of literally anything to do with Miquella and a lot of the really interesting Alchemy/Gnosticism/Messianic themes was incredibly frustrating. The Hornsent and Crusade stuff was good though.
>>744901113I don't get this complaint. More so than the base game the DLC generally seems to reward blocking, parries, and actual positioning far more than roll spam. You can get by roll spamming but it's not actually optimal for killing things.
>>744862002Several years out and we still have 24/7 seethe threads about Elden Ring, that's how you know it's good.
>>744901752That is what happens when they have made good games since Demon's Souls and established a dedicated fanbase on /v/, then make Elden DOGSHIT Ring and betray their original fans, of course we True Fans will speak against Elden DOGSHIT Ring, you secondaries are funny and retarded.
>>744862286there ain't no way>>744898049>be 15 or 16>taking health or some shit during summer school>in line for ice cream during lunch break>feel something brush up against my back and think nothing of it>a second later feel something get a huge grope out of my ass >jump in shock and look behind me>group of like 3 latina girls are giggling like crazy while their leader is telling me she thinks i'm insanely cute and wants my number>i was utterly mortified and had no idea how to handle the situation, basically just told her "um... noo... s-sorry..." >she keeps saying how cute i am and how i should really give them my number>i decide to go sit back down and lose all interest in icecreamHonestly, it was the most insane 30 seconds of my entire life.
>>744901906I'd agree there are way too many sites of grace and that the demands of reaching a new one should be much higher on the players resources than they were. But isn't this area initially blocked by a one way door or a boss?
I think Elden Ring fails becuase of a chasing 2 rabbits and catching neither. It tries to pander to both hyper autist difficulty swear lords and casuals who want an easy mode so the game has probably the worst balance of any soulslike ever made and it massively effects the quality of the game for everything combat related.
>>744902691How so?
>>744903787Becuase everything in the game feels like it was designed with you using cheese strats in mind with how much cheap shit they throw at you that your only options are either trivialize the entire game by using said cheese strats and playing a soulslike so easy it reaches Demon's Souls levels or just annoying to deal with since the game expects you to use cheeses. The obvious example being the ashes. It just ended up in a game that feels all style and no substance and was honestly less fun to play than most of the other games. Elden Ring is proof that soulslikes should never have crutches for shitters and should just be designed with a baseline. Honestly I feel like a literal difficulty setting would have been less egregious than what Elden Ring did with it's crutch options since at least with a difficulty setting they wouldn't need to balance the game around it.
>>744904271But the game doesn't expect you to use cheese. You can beat everything with core tools and strategies. You don't even need to roll.
>>744904583Not needing to use something and having the experience of not using that something be fun are separate matters entirely. Some autist can no hit the entire game with their fists naked at level 1 but that doesn't really mean anything in the conversation of balance or the average player experience. I'd also clarify that Elden Ring isn't "too hard". It's just too unfun when you don't use cheese strats. I struggled infinitely more with Sekiro than I did with Elden Ring and think that's a much harder game and yet I never once felt an ounce of frustration when playing Sekiro cause whenever I died it felt like it was my fault cause Sekiro is really well balanced and never takes away player agency when fighitng. When I die against shit in Elden RIng it all too often feels like it was because the game was just taking the piss.
>>744904971I disagree. I generally found proactive application of the basic moveset quite enjoyable.Can you give an example of something taking away your "agency"? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>>744868317>Redmane Castle - teleporter from outside the walls to the inside?only functions during the festival>Four Belfries have four teleports taking you to completely arbitrary nonsensical places with dead ends.scholars were investigating distant lands(same reason why you find so many teleports in liurnia)>There is no natural way of getting to the Haligtreedeliberate, Ordina was designed to keep people away >Shortcut to Maliketh in Caelid is a shitty teleport hidden in some bushes.deliberate, gurranq is in exile
>>744866489>Same was said about Dark Souls in 2011How do they keep doing it?
>>744862002Best game of the century
>>744878414Elden Ring 2 will be Dark Souls 2 2 2
>>744862002Best Game of the Millenium
>>744905325Very obvious example is Malenia. waterfowl dance is unquestionably, no matter how you look at it not a fair move. There's no way you can get caught up in that and think "damn that was on me". No it was the game blatantly cheating. That move was designed like that because the game expects you to be playing with ashes. But then on the flip side if you use anything even slightly strong she folds like tissue paper and is super easy. I think that's the most glaring example of the devs not knowing how to balance combat between cheese strats and normal play. Outside of that the balance in general is just all over the place with the game really lacking in a nice consistent difficulty curve since there's so many different things they need to take into account that no matter how you play the game the game is never going to feel just right in the same way Sekiro does which is balanced for a single playstyle with a single moveset. Past games have somewhat had the issue but the balance in Elden Ring is genuinely worse than any game I've played in years and I could never get a feel of consistency and trying to get a nice balance of difficulty felt basically impossible and made me swap up what shit I was using constantly as everything kept flip flopping between triviality and bullshit like the goldilocks zone was just too tiny for how big Elden Ring is. I shouldn't need to swap my playstyle cause it's too effective or too useless every couple hours.
>>744882502DS2 was meant to be interconnected (even if not to the same degree) like DS1 but instead of a vertical map they wanted a more horizontal one, that's why for example from Majula you can see places you'll visit later that are very far away. The problem are the distances, sometimes they don't make sense, places look further than they actually are.Elden Ring takes inspiration from DS2 and fixes these problems (because they had more resources), the distances between places makes more sense and the different maps and the transitions between are more coherent.I don't remember if they wanted DS2 to be open world in the say way ER is, but curated corridors can still be interconnected and give a sense of scale/distance.
>>744862002I didn't like it very much, by the time i was in the snowy areas i just wanted it to end, didn't even get the DLC.That said, i enjoyed the first area
>>744908364NTA, while I like the expansiveness of Elden Ring I also think that something more similar to corridors would benefit the structure of the game. Not as "linear" as Dark Souls but with the open world areas being more like a series of labyrinths as opposed to the open plains we got. Liurnia of the Lakes for example I think would benefit from the main path dominating the province for a bit before it falls into ruin and you're forced to navigate through a dense tangle swamp, as opposed to the game where it's sort of just open water and stuff. The cliffs of limgrave could have been more extreme and guided the players movements a bit more strictly and bodies of water could have actual deep parts you can't cross or that have secret shores you can safely move over.
>>744908786I'd say that the game really should have ended either in Leyndell itself or in the depths beneath the city. Because for the whole game the Erdtree is literally the giant beacon your whole adventure revolves around and then the game goes "lol jk" and sends you on a mountain detour that frankly is a pretty weakly designed areaThe Haligtree and Mohgwyn palace should have been a DLC.
>>744862002The worst iteration of the formula to date.
>>744879193>SOTE is an 11/10 first playthroughwhy yes i love big empty spaces filled with low level upgrade stonesidk how you niggas glaze this shit. did we even play the same game?
>>744862002Good game but it's open world dark souls in the worst possible way.For the base game, the mini-dungeons are literally pointless (terrible loot/rewards and barely any runes) and the open world itself is barren."Legacy dungeons" vary from mediocre (Raya Lucaria, etc.) to incredible (Stormveil on first playthrough, Leyndell, etc.)DLC map is significantly better and more interesting than base game.The open world is a negative on replayAlso they never made INT/FTH a viable build in the DLC, they half-baked some spells/incants but no weapons or weapon infusions
>>744862002Probably the worst story telling in all of From Software games, aside from that it's pretty good
>>744862002If I were to describe the game, it's like one of those retarded abstract paintings you see on an exhibition.
>>744862002It was a magical experience rarely felt with a game. But it was exhausting. It's too long and after exploring it once all there is a game with a lot of space between the "legacy dungeons". It took me around 250 hours total, 2 months for the main game and another month for the dlc to complete, and I have zero desire to play it again.
Eh, it's kind of one of those things where after you've beat it it's like... great, I've done the thing. I've went on all the slides in the park, I tried every lollipop in the candy store. Cool. There's nothing else. There's nothing to do again.
>>744862002one of the best games ever made, its berserk the game.
>>744862002Fun for a playthrough, but it's as far as Fronsoft should go with this combat system. It stopped being fun in the DLC. They need to add some complexity before jacking the difficulty up any higher.
>>744862002kinolino
