TOTAL LOCALIZERS DEATH
>>744878328localization? more like gentrification lmaooo
Remember, the localizer knows better than the original writer.
>>744878328why is this allowed?
>>744878328the biggest problem there is the implication that the "raw translation" is the worst option out of the three. they tried really hard to brainwash the reader into staying as far away from that as possible, when in reality it's exactly what you want.
>>744878328>turns a threat into a wacky punHow is this allowed?
>>744878428You're not part of the team jeet
>>744878328>1: good>2: nonsensical>3: souless>4: nonsensical
>>744878328why would you use this awful example instead of, say, an actual untranslatable phrase?
>>744878478The original sounds better IMO. But all 4 are fine because even the final one is not done with any malevolent reasoning.
>>744878428Mr Shekelstein told Mr Miyamoto that if he wants to sell his games in the west they must go through an... Adapation to modern sensibilities. Oh and dont worry I know the right people for the job
>>744878328monitoring this thread only to laugh at people failing the basic iq test of this image
>>744878328surely the "adaptation" would actually be the "original" here?
>>744878328Trannylators think we want the raw translation, when the clarification is all we need
>>744878478>when in reality it's exactly what you wantNigger you do not want Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof translated as 'I understand train station'
>>744878667The example and 'adaptation' is shit, anon
>>744878493>>744878595How would you feel if you didn't have dinner this morning?
Fixed
>>744878328O.G San is pretty good tho
>>744878328
>>744879045Fine, because I never have dinner in the morning, retard
Which way, /v/?
>>744878867...Do you understand train station?
>>744878328>O.G. Sankek
>>7448783281) " I'm going to punch your lights out" would never translatable as they imply, at worse you get "I'll punch/strike your shine/gleam/lights out" Light bulbs makes 0 fucking sense because as a short hand "light" and comparable in other countries wolud never equal "light blubs"2) The actual clarification is "I'll knock you out." not "I'm going to hit you" that is total bullshit what they imply. 3) an actual adaptation would be to imply knocking them out so it would be "I'm flooring you"/"I'll make you see stars"/"I'm gonna knock you down"/ "I'll strike you down with a punch" etc. azumanga daioh English dub for the most part would be the best lesson in this. Unlike the OP shit, their goal was to try their hardest to keep to the original meaning and culture, not just intent while still making everything add up correctly. They shifted the English lessons/foreign interactions to French, plugged in they were talking about kanji when talking about letters and when dealing with jokes that dealt with world play they got the closest they could even if it made the scene seem off to the viewer, because they understood the people watching it would want what was as close to the original they could get without knowing the language. It's what most localizers can not understand, they don't want an OC story from it, they want as close as they can get to the original while still making sense.
>>744878867>but IDIOMS thoughfucking retard, i said what i said
>>744878328I've seen this image a dozen times but I never noticed the name
>>744879568what do you think og san is trying to convey here?
>>744878328why are they always so disingenuous and slimy
>>744878428Bureaucracy. It gives somebody a job that shouldn't exist.
>>744879657The final adaptation could imply he's bringing a fruit based drink, and is very excited about it.
>>744878867Oh look at this localizer cuckold trying to blend in>Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof>1:1 raw translation>I understand only train stationyou are missing "only", which is part of this idiom.Considering Germans love (or loved, due to the influx of non Germans poisoning the values) punctuality, and trains are always late. So when a German says they only understand train station, they usually are talking about an empty train station, meaning nothing. A good localizer would translate that shit to "thats greek to me". A good translator would translate that shit to "I dont understand a thing". A bad localizer would translate that to "I feel like a republican right now".
>>744879656I always thought it was doubly ironic that this image includes a pun that doesn't make sense unless you specifically know the japanese word, undercutting the point entirely.
Replace all localizers with AI
>>744880090This! Exactly what Anon #744880090 has written out.We should strive to use Large Language Models on every aspect of our life, as they generally serve an efficient and thoughtful time-saving alternative to manually doing things that are otherwise a chore or bother.
>>744878328If localization was so bad explain the success of the Ace Attorney franchise, the series wouldn't be as beloved if it was translated literally.
>>744880090ACK being shoe horn'd in everything recently is pissing me off. Latest example, related to your filename being the miko game in rhythm paradise.all of the text comes off as twitterish which just makes me happier that they sacked the dubbing team and went jp only for the vocals
>>744878328If you actually speak multiple languages you can understand what this is trying to say.
>>744879826that's not even remotely close to etymology of that idiom. good job proving yourselft wrong. fucking low iq clown thread this
>>744881274Ahh, a republican!
>>744879204Fixed
>>744878328love how the "original" is already in english making this entire thread pointless EOP trash to begin with
>>744878328If you can translate the original, why not using the original ?
why not using
>>744878428If you didn't allow it, they would break your light bulbs.
>>744881405You are supposed to use your own uncensored AI
>>744881405KEK
>>744881430>If you can translate the original, why not using the original ?Original is usually shit
>>744878595I would consult with the original creator that the idiom or phrase doesn't have an equivalent and propose a few alternatives then add a translator's note in the manual or some similar trivia space.>>744881430Because a dysgenic mutant freak feels an immense urge to leave some kind of mark of its own wretched existence in history, MGS2 speaks of it.
>>744881541>amerisissies get filtered by this dry humour and have to add a seethe note
>>744881541>implying this isn't great
>>744881531Double kek.
>>744881541Japanese:>雪の世界>ホワイトスノー>銀世界English:>snow>snow>snowI'm nooticing
>>744881541>Note: This is what happens when you do a direct translation.)You get a fine translation?
>>744879137I'd be more threatened by this than the others
>>744878328the only things that need localization are idioms that wouldn't make sense if translated like "if the shoe fits"
>>744881735>Snow in japanese>Snow in english japaneseI guess they could've used winter wonderland for the last one or something though
>>744881541Rhapsody has a shit localization however
>>744879137This is why OG-san is THE OG. Real nigga shit right there, doesn't fear glass shards or burning hot halogen, just fucks that shit up.
Why do localizers act like region specific idioms are lovecraftian grimoires that only the enlightened scribes of yore can partake in? English has a vehicle for untranslatable nonsense, it's called defining things. if wasbuabubwbasuba is untranslatable and I realize it's just the sound of sadness OP makes when cock exits their body, then you don't need to find an equivalent of wasbuabubwbasuba in the english dictionary, you just type it out. Are humanities retarded?
Let's just all be honest here, Japanese is a boring, dry, no-fun alllowed language. Americanisms and quips enhance dialogue tenfold
>>744881735謎を解く鍵が手の届くところに
>>744881430Because a clash of worldviews. For example, the Japanese language has no dedicated future tense; expressing a future action requires context. Similarly, Chinese does not use traditional past tenses. A direct translation of a Chinese sentence like 'I bought something' would literally translate to 'I buy done.'This is why direct translation between such vastly different languages is so challenging. A good translation requires understanding these deep conceptual differences while still respecting and conveying the original intent of the text, and as you can guess, almost nobody is interested in doing that when they can just post memes
>>744881735Let's flip this around>Welcome to Shiroyuki village, a world of snow.>Enjoy yourself in this winter wonderland.The TL could have easily made it digestible but wanted to be a faggot instead.
>>744878328The name for what the "localizers" do is vandalism.They don't like the thing, so they just vandalize it.
>>744882015Japs don season dey language, we gots to spice it fo dem
oh boy this fucking thread again
>>744881735Ive played this and remember thinking, "yeah, a direct translation would be nice." It's so weird how they are always so retarded and arrogant literally every time.
>>744878428Little chaim greenblatt needed an easy gig
>>744881995In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above. Adults scoring in the lowest levels of literacy increased 9 percentage points between 2017 and 2023. In 2017, 19% of U.S. adults achieved a Level 1 or below in literacy, while 48% achieved the highest levels.Adults scoring at Level 3 or above are considered "proficient at working with information and ideas in texts". Adults scoring below Level 1 can comprehend simple sentences and short paragraphs with minimal structure but will struggle with multi-step instructions or complex sentences, while those at Level 1 can locate explicitly cued information in short texts, lists, or simple digital pages with minimal distractions but will struggle with multi-page texts and complex prose.
>>744882015Seriously, if they did a direct translation it would be something cringelame like "you dishonorable novice practitioner of the harp instrument"
>>744878328Breaking all the light bulbs in someone's house would be pretty dramatic, though. Broken glass everywhere and you might not have enough replacements on hand, if you can find them in the darkness.
>>744882302We gon wash dis dieeylog clean fore we cook it
What's so hard about >Translate the original directly>Do not change the meaning or intent>Do not add extra fluff>Do not insert memes>Do not insert politics
>>744882256I see. I can't imagine anyone below Level 3 insisting to professionally translate complex subjects for anything other than personal practice.
>>744882593They can't claim ownership or writing if they actually do it properly
>>744881995you're not interested in a good-faith response, but on the off chance that someone here is:writing out the idiom erases the fact that an idiom was used, which is itself a unit of meaning. it's a translator's duty to convey meaning, and choosing to use an equivalent idiom in the target language is a valid way of doing so in this context
>>744882015It's the other way around. Japanese is language with MUCH more wordplay possible than is in english.
>>744882509
>>744882593What meaning or intent was changed from the original in this example?
>>744882593Because sometimes shit just doesn't translate. Which no is also not an excuse to batter against a "KILL ALL TRANNYLATORS" tard-rage strawman for seven hours, before one of you snaps like a pit bull and tries to charge me for disrupting the vibes of the ritualpost Nichegamer transplant thread.>Translate the original directlyA joke or pun is indecipherable in a way that a weeb telling you "cultural exchange, leave it alone" cannot fix. A video game is being translated, not a doujin, a page completely saturated in T/Ns is unacceptable, we both know this.>Do not change the meaning or intentEven a lot of these strawman threads have difficulty arguing the meaning or intent of a passage has been changed. Hell, usually the problem is "the translated passage was written poorly," a different problem entirely from written intent being changed.>Do not add extra fluffSometimes unavoidable. Not negotiable.>Do not insert memesSometimes unavoidable because the original character used "www" or similar.>Do not insert politicsAgain sometimes unavoidable. I've seen these threads have crash-outs before because it turned out *the original work* was referencing something political and it was just translated normally. No, culture war garbage is not politics, if you are moaning about Type A/Type B under the dome of "politics" you should be saying "culture war garbage" and not politics.
>>744878328This picture is retarded beyond belief. Of course a figure of speech isn't going to convey the same concept in another language, it needs to be replaced with either another figure of speech that does make sense and conveys the same idea or just outright convey the concept in plain words if no figure of speech exists in the target language. What is it with liberals and always bringing up weird extreme scenarios to make their point that don't apply on a larger scale?
>>744883035Formerly Chuck's Unavoidable, sorry.
>waaah, i just want a direct 1:1 translation>the direct 1:1 translation茶を濁す = to cloud the tea幹事長はとりあへず論説の執筆者を配置転換させることでお茶を濁さうとしたthe general secretary first tried to cloud the tea by transfering author of the lead article to another position
>>744883035>A joke or pun is indecipherablegoing back to this example>>744880983there's a mini game called "pump apple" the pun being pump up and appleanother called "vegtapull" the pun being vegetable and pullwhy are these localised away, localiser tranny?
>>744883035wish he'd reach for my penis if you know what i'm saying
>>744882302But "spoony bard" is an accurate translation, using a specific word to be concise enough that it fits into that tiny text box. Tellah was accusing Cecil of attempting to swindle and seduce Anna. "Spoony" is just that.It's a good translation, but the average retard thinks spoony is a silly generic insult.
>>744883220Yeah that's what the picture is saying, glad you can come to terms with each other
>>744883285You know it's funny you're using this specific joke as a snarky comeback because imagine the non-euclidean shit you'd have to do to translate Sneed to Japanese in any way that's recognizable
>>744883501Unavoidable, alas
>>744883220>try to argue against it and mention liberals to get the thread clapping>complete agreementWhat did he mean by this
>>744882015If I didn't want boring, dry, no fun allowed language I wouldn't play Japanese games. Japanese people are honestly retarded for letting westoids ruin what made people go for their games to begin with.
>>744878328I like 2 the best. It would encourage people to learn that culture's idioms and be able to better appreciate its media.
>>744883501>japanese word for suck and fuck (probably dozens)>find a name that sounds similarJaps do jokes like sneed waaaay more than everyone else btw that's part of the reason why japanese can be hard to translate
>>744883501>look up how The Simpsons translated the original joke in the Jap version>make a joke based on that???Literally why do trannylators claim this is near-impossible?
>>744883320>the general secretary first tried to cloud the tea by transfering author of the lead article to another positionthis makes sense with basic deduction "cloud the tea" isn't an idiom I've seen before, but in the context of the sentence it's clearly referring to the general secretary trying to obscure the situation.Repeat this direct translation of the idiom a few times in prominent places and it becomes a part of the lexicon of English through osmosis
>>744883918>>744883948>dude just like... translate itHoly fucking shit, dude. It's... like, so EASY.Your brains must be HUGE.
>>744883414>テラ「なにが ちがうと いうのだ!>translation????
>>744884015Yeah, I know doing something properly is a big ask for localizers and their dogs.
>>744884105taking notes, irony sails completely over the head of a localization ritualposter
>>744883951>"cloud the tea" isn't an idiom I've seen beforethat's bc you don't know japanese. oh, and you're also a retard
>>744883465>>744883617>presents 3 translated versions>claims all of them are good in their own way>one is nonsensical>the other kills any and all emotion and insight into the state of mind the original conveys>the last one is complete fanfiction
>>744879045Dinner by definition is the biggest meal of the day and only browns eat the biggest meal first thing. So I would feel fine since I never do that
>>744883951what do you meant repeat it a few times? you don't get to decide what the author wrote, retard. what if they only use it once? you cannot possibly be this dense
>>744883035The example is not untranslatable which is part of the frustration. Like I have yet to see shit that's actually untranslatable, maybe it requires a few pages of exposition like explaining Denpa to newfags but nothing seems so fucking completely foreign the English language cannot describe it. This isn't eldritch. So why not treat the audience as grown-ups and let them parse it like in the old days when no one gave a fuck?
>>744883414It's funny how your entire argument is defeated by one anon posting the original line lol >>744884090
>>744881875>O.G. San just stares you straight in the eyes while holding your last remaining lightbulb>and then everything goes dark
Looking at old examples of stuff happening so that you can keep being mad is kinda stupid behavior.
>>744881735
>>744884385>what do you meant repeat it a few times?In different media, other directly translated jap media, if they're popular enough then English people will start using cloud the tea in an accurate way in their own speech you dense faggot
>>744884412>Like I have yet to see shit that's actually untranslatableIn a pulpy sci-fi spy story featuring mail order gadget manufacturing company, explain the significance of the protagonist's codename as agent 2.5, come up with a suitable English equivalent.
>>744884181Give your localisation that improves upon the deduction
itt: eops
>>744878328>Original: I'm going to punch your lights out.>Raw translation: I'm going to punch your lights out.>Clarification: I'm going to beat you up.>Adaptation: I'm going to punch your lights out. (TN - idiom meaning to beat someone up.)There. Done. Simple. And fuck this contrived "Hurr me break light bulbs with hand durr" shit, that's a deliberate mistranslation.Fuck localizers.
>>744884181It's a pretty rare expression. I think All Might used it once in MHA.
>>744884090>>744884486Someone direct translate for us monolingists, plz.
>>744884568why not speak japanese at that point if you want to use their shit so badly. this makes zero sense. your approach is literally insane
>>744882015It really is the other way around. Your only experience with "Japanese writing" is an amateur's interpretation of it presented in a rigid, simplified language with little room for artistic expression.English was much more expressive centuries ago, but over the years it's been oversimplified due to poor education and ESLs--and I'm not saying that to be rude, it's simply a matter of fact that English learners overseas would only have the bare minimum vocabulary for the language and wouldn't be able to grasp ye olde English poetry, and those ESLs make up the majority of English speakers now. So loads of expressive, poetic English vernacular has fallen out of use and become lost to time.Japanese by contrast has held on to much of its ye olde (Chinese lmao) language, resulting in a fucking enormous vocabulary. They also understand a modicum of English and use it a lot for names or gags, but this is completely lost in localization because there's no 2nd language localizers could use that would universally apply to all English speakers.And I haven't even started on yakuwarigo, written accents, etc.
>>744879204both as long as i avoid localizers
Japanese games are dying, so you better learn Korean and Chinese for these threads soon.
>>744878328>I will break all the light bulbs in your home with my hand Kek, trannylatiors can't even translate English to English
>>744878328>Idiom>Literal meaning>Pragmatic meaning>Stupid fucking retarded ass localizer joke instead of trying to find an equivalent idiom or phrase in target language
>>744884846Imagine having watched MHA
>>744884412>Like I have yet to see shit that's actually untranslatableKimi no na wa watashi scene.
>>744881541what's the issue with the direct one?
>>744884926>your approachstandard transfering of culture through foreign media, and picking up some of it, osmosing it into my own>>is literally insane I'm losing my mind!!!1!
>>744884959>those ESLs make up the majority of English speakers nowVery true. The modern native English speaker doesn't even use words like "whom" or "whose" correctly.
>>744883035>a page completely saturated in T/Ns is unacceptable, we both know this.Its not and everyone that thinks otherwise is a casualVideogames too should unironically have TL notes
>>744885108The localizer doesn't like itHe also translated it badly on purpose so he could bitch.
>>744884182>one is nonsensical>the other kills any and all emotion and insight into the state of mind the original conveysCongratulations, you once again agree with the presented image.>the last one is complete fanfictionThe given text is an example of how one idiom may not make sense in another from the PoV of an English speaker, it isn't there to give you a Japanese idiom translated to English improperly.
>>744884912Literally, "How is it different?!" but more idiomatically, "How can that not be true?!"
the only truly untranslatable thing for JP>EN are personal pronouns like w/atashi, uchi, ore, boku etc
>>744884542It speaks mostly to the lack of new material for this kind of thing, since egregiously bad translations are not actually very common, and were MOST common before the proliferation of high-speed internet. Though I think it's also an incuriosity on the daily seethers' part, if not outright ignorance of new material. In general though you should treat people that ragebait themselves as the Twitter knuckledraggers that they are.
>>744881541>trannylator adds a little seethe noteI thought I couldn't hate them more than I already do
>>744884672he tried a distraction maneuver / diversion / worm himself out etc. pp. by doing bla bla bla
>>744885378This is true. Pronouns and subject-verb agreement are grammatically necessary in English, so the language evolved to keep these simple and easily recognizable. Japanese is agglutinated, so doesn't need to start every sentence with these, therefore allowing more freedom in expression.
>>744883035>crash-outsplease go back
Anyone who argues idioms can't be directly translated thinks idioms spawned from the void and just had an inherent meaning, instead of being a human observation of something in the world and having its meaning distilled and applied to other situations
>>744885679good thing nobody's arguing that
>>744885679you just don't know enough idioms is the problem
>1 is an idiom thats primarily a threat with a casual or humorous undertone depending on the context>4 is an entire pun with a grating set-up and punchline giving the impression that the primary intent was to crack a silly joke instead of being a threatone job
>>744884489Fuck. Thanks for the laugh.
>>744878328All four are great though.
>>744885735right here>>744878867
>>744885834that post is saying the idiom directly translated is nonsense to an english speaker, not that foreign idioms are bad
>>744879137o.g. san is a legitimately good pun
>>744878328>could have said "I'm gonna knock your block off", a similar, old-school idiom associated with tough guys>"NOPE! SORRY! We had to use a epic chungus silly pun! Nothing we could do!
That image is a perfect example of what localization is. The person working in localization has to read these lines and decide the best course of action. There's no 100% correct answer on how to translate these things and it involves a lot of subjectivity. It's therefore fine to admit that some localizations are good and some are horrendous. It's not a black and white thing.
>>744885751Post one foreign idiom directly translated with some examples of usage and if necessary historical context/ entomology and prove it's completely incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't have prior knowledge of its general meaning
>>744885993you're already overthinking the example given to try and score an epic own against it
>>744878427Yeah
>>744886059>post one foreign idiom with a complete explanation of its intended meaningcongratulations anon you've gone utterly outside the scope of localization
>>744885884>Anyone who argues idioms can't be directly translated>that post is saying the idiom directly translated is nonsense to an english speakerYeah that's what I said. Ofc the trannylator has low reading comp
>>744878328Retard can't even translate in english right, the first is an expression but a serious threat with no humor intended, the adaptation is a quirky marvel faggot quip that changes the tone completely.Translators truly are complete shit when they try to justify inserting their garbage writing, be a writer if you want to make your own shit, don't ruin another person's work for what you think works better.
>>744878427yup
>>744886065I think it demonstrates perfectly the flawed mindset behind localizers that creates this conflict with the fans in the first place. If nothing else, you should try to come up with the best example possible if you're trying to convince people of something. Half-assing it just hurts you.
>>744886182I hope you're being sarcastic because you couldn't have picked a worse example. Censored, too.
>>744883948>based onso a localisation, then
>>744886348>that creates this conflict with the fansyou, the fans, are overthinking and trying to argue with a localization example given in a textbook
>>744884181>anon hasn't seen expression before >anon correctly surmised the meaning of itSeems like you're the retard for thinking he needs "the general secretary tried to pull a Trump with the Epstein files by transferring the author of the article to another position" to understand the sentence
>>744878427A localization can be so good Japan takes it back
>>744881735The direct translation of that second line is more like "Enjoy the silver beauty of this place." Maybe that's a synonym, but that's the key thing: IT'S A SYNONYM. And using a foreign language accomplishes the same effect.A more fair translation:>"This is the town of Whitesnow, our own world of winter. Enjoy its silver beauty, traveler."A little better than:> "Welcome to the snow town of Snowville, can I take your snow order?"
>>744886385NOW HOLD ON THERE PARTNER THAT'S THE HOLY JAPANESE YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY ARE COMMITTING THE SIN OF LOCALIZATION
>>744886125>couldn't provide an example Exactly, localisation is completely unnecessary direct translation is preferable for anyone with 2 braincells to rub together
>>744886546>completely remove yourself from the topic of localization by demanding translator's notes in full>"that's right! localization is unnecessary!"were your parents related before they were married? domi arigato mister incesto? domo (domo whrr whrr whrr)
>>744886412>stop expecting quality and just settle for whatever garbage we give youNo thanks. Sorry you have to take your paid job seriously.
>>744886774>stop expecting quality and just settle for whatever garbage we give younow hold on anon making shit up and arguing against that is doing the same thing you're accusing translators ofyou wouldn't want to half-ass it, would you
>>744881405The best things in life are the hardest to obtain.
>>744884412>maybe it requires a few pages of exposition like explaining Denpa to newfagsAnon 5 pages of TL notes in middle of the game would have most people drop the game then and there
>>744878478lmao monolingual retard detected
>>744886465but didn't you know, snow isn't commonly associated with the colour silver in English. so it's completely inconceivable that an English speaker could understand what a silvery snow landscape means this justifies a half assed tl complete with bitch on zir period note!
>>744878328>punch your lights outis an american idiomatic expression from the start so this is wrong from the start
>>744886970it's an example for an english-speaker you blithering retard
>>744886635You still haven't posted a sentence, in the context of a story scenario, with a foreign idiom that's been directly translated which is beyond all comprehension tick tock or your job is on the line
>>744878328why not just translate it as "I'm gonna punch the hell outta you"
>>744886885Thankfully, localization allows us to cut down on text, so that the player isn't having to read all the tim-
>>744887024yeah no shit i'm not playing along with your inane premise that removed you from the conversation entirely, suck my dick and balls from the back you badgering retard
>>744887102>slop
>>744887102funniest thing here is you could literally write sayonara and 100% of the audience would understand it
>>744886885>filters casualsgoodalso notice how the apologist always defaults to "but casuals wouldnt like that" revealing that their true concern lies with warping the product to appeal to the target languages mass market and all the fluff about preserving the meaning of the original is lip service
>>744887149>seething and dilating no doubt
>>744886826What am I making up? There is clearly a better way to do the translation that conveys meaning, tone, and personality of the character, and you're saying it's completely OK that they botch that because "you're just overthinking it". How is that not telling fans to settle for an inferior product?
>>744887019that's still retarded, use any other language oh wait americans can't speak anything else
>>744887181Jesus, it's one word, anon.
>>744887247Localizations are for casuals, not a power neckbeard with 500 logged hours of downvoting MTLs on ExhentaiThat's not being an apologist, that's you being a retard. Imagine Windows gets a feature update and your first thought is "what about Wayland updates for KDE Plasma users on Arch Linux????"
>>744887219Oh boy, that would make the localizers seethe with rage. Japanese is 100% NOT allowed in video games.
>>744887181You're not a particularly bright person, are you?
>>744887423MTLs are a poor argument in pretty much any circumstance desu
>>744885282Ok, now I need someone to tell me what Cecil said before that in Japanese and Woolsey, since it's been a few decades since I played VI.
>>744887475Would the text direct translation above it change anything
>>744878328Imagine translating something that's I'm gonna punch your lights out, and knowing that's what it is, to a food based pun
>>744878328>1Ok.>2I get it.>3Yeah just needs some work->4What the fuck
>>744878328I remember some translation drama a while back about a shoujo anime adaptation. The original female protagonist was pretty based>Doesn't like short men>Make fun of crossdresser The translator decided that the girl was "toxic" and "transphobic" and declared his intention to ruin the girl personality on purpose turning her into a psychopath. The anime however actually has a lot of female fans and his supposed female allies all condemned him for his narcissism. They argued that the point is that the girl is flawed as a person because she is a moody teenager. He on the other hand tried to make a perfect stereotype woman and got mad when women in fiction didn't meet his standards >The translator was probably short in real life
>>744887520You mean Edward? He said ちがうんです! or "That's not true!"
>>744878328how about learning the language instead of dealing with localizers?
>>744887823Only localizers suggest stupid things like that. Japanese is a ridiculously hard language to learn.
>>744887718The amount of times you hear that a character or text was changed because of perceived flaws of that character shows how much people are snowflakes. Too many people want content they believe has friction to it, but only friction they can handle, and when something hits more personally to some, they seek to remove it entirely.
>>744887789ちがうんです actually means "it's different" literally
>>744887823japanese is a retarded language. they basically need to communicate in pictographs even to their native population because it's so obtuse. I state this with absolute confidence even though I don't know what I am talking about.
>>744887823im fine using the universal translator
>>744888003Yes, I'm aware, but in this context, it's used as a denial of events.
>>744887914The thing that gets me is that who the fuck would get mad at a girl liking tall men. Shit is very manlet-rage coded
>>744887876it's ridiculously easy if you just put time into watching baby tier and working uplike 1.5k hr
>>744880090this one is still funny to me, there's an American English version and an European English version without memes for some reason.
>>744888176Not even close. The amount of vocabulary you'd need to learn just to be able to play a game like Persona easily gets into the 20k+ range.
>>744879067https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NBy3Fdmy98
>>744887343>Localizations are for casualsthank you for conceding that localizations are artistically worthless>Imagine Windows gets a feature update and your first thought is "what about Wayland updates for KDE Plasma users on Arch Linux????"completely incoherent non-sequitur that is not analogous to our situationwindows getting an update does not affect wayland support for KDE unlike localizations that take away the chance of delivering an authentic translation to a foreign audience
>>744887876No, the language is easy. It's the writing on the other hand that's a pain in the ass.
>>744888253Nintendo of America is retarded and thinks the content needs to be changed for ami tastes because jp media is embarrassing on some level but Nintendo of Europe mostly doesn't give a fuck or thinks the japaneseness helps the appeal
>>744888309I played Catherine after learning 1k words and I enjoyed it
>>744887247Like it or not but that's the purpose of localization. The suits want to appeal to the widest possible audience to get the most sales. A localizer that goes against that is getting sacked the second the suits catch wind of it
>>744888253Separately handled localizationsNotably after Reggie left Nintendo in 2019, NOA had a MUCH tighter leash put on its localization process and became much friendlier to localizing and publishing RPGs and other "too Japanese" gamesIt's not exaggeration to say Reggie was fucking up NOA in a big way and that Xenoblade wouldn't have ever taken off if he'd successfully put a damper on that game getting translated (NOE picked it up independently), that shit became a huge Nintendo property. Also his mental illness where Mother 3 was concerned
Daily reminder the English localizer for FF14 named Kate got fired and was replaced by the old localizer as he left originally to go work on FF16.
>>744888309>20k+anon thinks you can't internalise the meaning of 20k words in 1500 hours of listening to content
>>744887823that takes effort and /v/ hates effort just look at all the AIslop shills
>>744879568The OP is literally about the idiom.
>>744887823im already doing this but i will never forgive localizers for making every game i played before that point worse with their shitty hack writing
>>744888486>A localizer that goes against that is getting sacked the second the suits catch wind of itProblem is most localizers do go against that, as seen with Fire Emblem. But they don't get fired despite deliberately changing an entire scene.
>>744878328Imagine working on a fucking SaGa game of all things and thinking calling out a move name while posing dramatically and flamboyantly isn't the coolest shit.
>>744888158It's simply peope having too many personal minefields to walk on. It could be something as simple as the inclusion of the genders male and female that sets someone off, someone's preferences 'feeling' exclusionary or sometimes just less than decent characters having weird quirks added to them to be made inclusionary, like that crossdresser from 13 sentinels giving an entire diatribe on peoples binaries not working for them, when in the original it was literally "i'm hiding by doing this".Too many people have their priorities out of wack when it comes to translations, especially the ones that see it as some high art, or that they were a part of it's creation.
>>744888613Kinda but not really. The suits agree with it if they think the change makes it more palatable to western audiences
>>744888541You're referring to Koji Fox who was never not in charge of Kate Cwynar, Kate was given his chair because he got bumped up to overall localization director of CBU3It's also not specified or known if Kate was terminated, the sole clues in that regard are she doesn't talk about her job on her Bluesky anymore outside of congratulating that other guy who got bumped up to Koji's old seat for the interim, and she has some kind of Japanese theater troupe she's a part of which she could very feasibly do in her off-time anyways
>>744878328ai please kill all these fucks
>>744888458That must've been a painfully slow experience. My condolences.>>744888547You can't, especially not by only listening lol
>>744888486you probably dont realize that the suits dont give a shit at all so long as it sells which is why in the early days translation was treated as an afterthought and there was virtually zero oversight from the original devs. in the modern industry its not even the opposite happening, you instead have the devs voluntarily running their work by the localizers and responding to THEIR input in hopes of capturing the "global audience". the situation you described does not exist
>>744887219Sayonara Shadow the Hedgehog
>>744888858Only listening before you start reading is the keythen reading along with the audio. imagine learning kanji without knowing the sound of it first, awful
A guy breaking in to my house and crushing all the lightbulbs in my home with his hand sounds like a crazy person's threat. That's real terror, legitimately unhinged dialogue.
>>744888541>>744888783I'll also add that people chudding out about her and getting expunged from the MMO's community is really fucking funny, XenosysVex the streamer basically destroyed any notoriety he had by going on multiple rants about Kate Cwynar and Sena Bryer and receiving a game ban for it, all the while the question of "what is he even doing complaining about these two" hangs over his head, because he's a guy who beelines straight to raids and skips story cutscenes whenever possible to get to raids fasterThank you for attending my TED Talk about FFXIV e-celebs
>>744888958Ideally you learn the pronunciation along with the word's spelling, but you can't learn much by only listening.
>>744882903>writing out the idiom erases the fact that an idiom was used, which is itself a unit of meaningThe idiom should be included, but with an editor's note in parentheses briefly explaining the meaning. Sone gacha games include new terminology but allow you to pause the narration in order to click on the confusing new word, which summons a pop up window rhat defines that word. The same can be done for any other translated game that uses idioms
>>744878428because women made honor killings illegal so they could whore around with impunity.
>>744883320just use quotation marks to denote an unusual phrase, done, give me the trannylsatroon job >the general secretary first tried to "cloud the tea" by transfering author of the lead article to another position
>>744883035>strawmanI mean it when I say it.
>>744889303Damn, you actually destroyed his argument.
>>744878867Yes, I do, if it's culturally relevant to the setting.
>>744888858Slow? I don't think it took any longer than my previous playthroughs.
>>744878328>raw translation no good compared to original (also translated)T-then use the original (translated) then, the fuck?
>>744878328Chinese raw translations are kino. They have a lot more creative idioms than we do. It’s really interesting how a lot of things are metaphors that still kind of make sense
>>744889550Oh, were you just skipping over the ones you didn't know?
>>744878603The fourth one is inacceptable for any possible scenario.No human uses a threat that long. The translator shows us he has no real life experience.
>>744883320virgin localization vs chad letting the idiom speak for itself>I RECALL QUITE CLEARLY TELLING YOU NOT TO MAKE WAVES>YOU MESSIAH OF RODENTS>WEARING YOUR FUCKING MORON FACE AS A PARTY MASK
>>744889748The game is like 95% voiced. It helped a ton. I will admit most of the text messages went over my head because there is no voiceline.
>>744880678>8yo audience
>>744878328People really don't think #4 is funny?
This very thread is absolute, definitive proof that trannylators need to be forcibly shocked into being normal again, just as Pence would have wanted.
>>744880678I do think it's funny how they translated The Great Ace Attorney. The characters in this scene canonically speak Japanese but don't know any English. But there's a woman who is speaking English and needs an interpreter
>>744886182>THE LOCALIZERS TOTALLY MADE IT GOOD BY ADDING IN HUMOR>play with japanese audio>the characters are still joking with each other all game, tone doesn't change at all, and most of the good jokes are still inso wait... what did the localizers even do here?
>>744886910Silvery as in shiny in japanese, thus use shiny.Easy Peazy, death to Daiz, Herkz and their Groomer Cartel.
>>744887876this fuck japanese hard ahh language
>>744889883Well, yeah, you didn't look anything up. You essentially whitenoised it.
>>744890192Don't ask questions like that
What's the excuse for this shit? You don't have to know Japanese, English, or even see the original text to know they fucked up.https://files.catbox.moe/zhalvb.webm
>>744890348For a second, the game became one of those old PS2 games where the characters are just grunting but there's no actual voice line playing lol
>>744887876if particles were used in english, it'd be like saying boy (subject) ball (object) throws (desu)
>>744890174yeah, translating stuff where language differences are in the original work is always interestingon a side note, the european version of the third professor layton game is much better than the american version because it's much more localised
>>744890556Yeah, then they drop "boy" because it's understood
>>744890192Localizers did a metric fuckton, what do you mean "it's not very different from JP"
>>744890816no seriously anon play it in japanese, eve if you don't understand japanese you'll still realize the characters are bantering and joking with each other exactly like the english verison, the didn't just stiffly and silently stand there or something. The idea that the game was "completely different before localization" is pure propaganda.
>>744890192They changed Palutena's personality, replaced good jokes with worse ones and completely misunderstood several lines.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cwb1_Qcmw6Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgeK3w-vR4Yhttps://youtu.be/X81R3QnrrGU?si=1fSPdtg886mD7Xi8&t=38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ibVoxsIf4
>>744890565I looked it up and all I could find is they changed the title and subsequent title drop from Claire, from "Unwound Future" to "Lost Future"
>>744891205so exacly like i said, the original had plenty of humor after all and wasn't dry at all? So "what did the localizers do" is correctly answered with "not much, just made the jokes worse".
>>744891205>first clip>Palutena goes from super unbothered older sexy woman to completely insecure>second clip>completely different and of course it all stems from the tsundere wordlol Ghost Stories ahhh translation
>>744890480This is what kills me with japanese games, for some reason they'll literally make hundreds of millions from a fucking game but can't be arsed to voice like 50% of the whole game speech, or in the case of pokemon, not voice shit at all while selling tens of millions of copies.
>>744890480>>744892048The cutscene is voiced. They just changed a sigh to a full ass sentence because ???
>>744892048This is only an issue because they're alawys only ever casting the same 12 "celebrity" seiyuus for every production, so the price of the voice acting skyrockets the budget, but they can't cast unknowns because...?
>>744892150reminds me of Triangle Strategy where even the villains weren't allowed to be sexist anymore, despite the original clearly framing it as a bad thing that they're like that.
>>744886808I like both.
>>744892246>but they can't cast unknowns because...?>What if the cousin of their father's brother in law said something that was period correct 30 years ago but now it's badly seen?>Then they'd have to recast the whole team because of a bad apple 6 degrees from a seyuu!!!!Worst part is this is real, and I whooly wager that if a female seiyuu got suddenly pregnant they'd literally recast her in two minutes because it's bad for business.
>>744878328The issue I see with this is that the 'adaptation' is not so much an equivalent to the original phrase but adds to it, in this case a comedic tone. That's where the original intent or "soul" of the text gets lost (or even more lost, if you agree that translation always involves something being lost in the process)
>>744892510It's insane how true that scenario actually is. Of course, on the flipside, if the VA for Cloud cheats on his wife, that's fine because Cloud can't be replaced, he's Cloud!
>>744879137Response without sounding mad?
Ya'll loved it back when localization turned her into a teenage slut.
>>744888529But /v/ said reggie was Jesus?
>>744891383most of the unvoiced dialogue was rewritten to be significantly more britishe.g.US:>No way. I’ve just got this feeling that something could happen to me down there. Something bad.>Like, what if I had a run-in with the Family? That would get messy fast!>I’m better off just staying here and solving puzzles.EU:>Nae chance! Ah’ve a feeling something could happen tae me doon that way. Something bad.>Like, Ah could get intae a rammy with that Family lot.>Ah’m better off jist staying here and solving puzzles.
>>744892859The shitty dejap patch didn't do that. She was always a slut.
>>744892246>but they can't cast unknowns because...?hiring seiyuus is often contingent on hiring other seiyuus from the same agency
>>744892939Damn, the EU version is horrible.
>>744892859That was unofficial.
>>744892859>>744892967she had one ex boyfriend why are you guys like this
Stop adding memes and rewriting characters. Why is this so hard for translators to understand?
>>744893192Vgh ruined
>>744880678Because it was done before the internet knew so many explicit details about the underbelly of localization. We didn't know better. That and sometimes when it's done out of fun and not to push an agenda, it's not the worst thing ever. If it was done today they'd try to remove Pearl from the series entirely.
>>744878328This image truly is the breakfast question of /v/ and I'm always amazed by how EOPs simply seem to lack the mental capacity to comprehend it.
>>744884562The real answer is for faggots to stop translating proper nouns. You dont translate fucking names, as I am not Bringer of Justice.
>>744893507But the town is called White Snow.
>>744886808Papa Nier is the better version so they were right to do that
>>744879045But I had dinner this morning>>744879137This is one of the reason E.Y.∃. was so good.
I don't understand why some things get through, like Treehouse and Xenoblade Chronicles 2. If you have the Japanese language/English subs on, even if you speak no Japanese, you can tell the subs are incorrect just by the writing. NoA knows that the internet knows their tricks yet they do it anyway.
>>744893594I'd give anything to have played the JP version of Papa Nier. Would've been so cash.
>>744887219Might as well type the entire game in romaji since that's what retarded weebs want
There is no bigger crime for a translator than inserting [current thing] into the script.
>>744892939I wish English was more flexible to mutations like this, being able to portray accents in text is wonderful. It adds a lot of character without changing the meaning or requiring extra words. As long as it's not forced like the Dragon Quest localizations.
>>744893192She had SEX with him.
>>744893594>go from a kid to a young man after the timeskip, justifying the lack of weapon types for the first part of the game>go from an old man to... a slightly older man in bondage gearNo.
>>744893592No, the town is Shiroyuki.
>>744893759>being able to portray accents in text is wonderfulKILL YOURSELF
>>744878328I accept localization when it comes to pronoun usage. I don't want to see characters talk about themselves in 3rd person because it makes them sound retarded. I hate when fan subs refuse to use "you", "me", and "I" just having the characters refer to themselves with their name.
>>744878328>TOTAL LOCALIZER REDUNDANCYFTFYWith AI, they are losing their position to completely rewrite games and movies to match their political ideas.People are certainly not playing Japanese games to get the RTA American interpretation of the world. Give them the Japanese take FFS. Unfiltered.
Maybe just dont play weebslop?
>>744888253>there's an American English version and an European English version without memes for some reason.This happened because one of the Wii era Mario Party games had a line where Kamek said "turn this train spastic", which caused an enormous fuzz in Britain and forced them to take the game off store shelves because "spastic" is like "retard" in britbong speak except even more taboo. After this incident, most US and EU English localizations of first-party Nintendo titles were handled separately until Octo Expansion DLC of Splatoon 2.As a side note Splatoon 2 also had issues where Marina was localized with a completely different assholeish characterization in the US compared to the more direct localization used in EU. This mischaractetization became enough of a problem for Nintendo of Japan to give NoA a stern talking-to.
>>744893895>ホワイトスノーIts literally white snow
>>744894038If we are talking about Japanese specifically, you'd be best off using pronouns for assumed subject sentences and names when names are spoken, so as to prevent jarring disconnects between audio and text.
>>744878427Name twenty.
>>744878426it's funny because japanese doesn't have idiomsthere's nothing wrong with translating literally, you just have to get the context right
>>744878328People here will pretend to hate localization but adore games like Persona 3 and prefer the Ted Woolsey translation of FF6
>>744887718That was jelloapocolypse letting it slip that discotek cares about subs but doesn't give 2 shits about the dub as long as it sounds understandable.
>>744894126I'll fully admit i cant read moonrunes, but are you telling me that is whaitu snow? If so I stand corrected.
>>744893976わいの実力を知らんやつらにゃ出しゃばる権利はないんやで
>>744894109>only japanese games are translated to englishfrogposters are never beating the retard allegations
>>744893895You should try actually reading the Japanese before giving your opinion on it.
>>744894270Yes it’s literally just white snow
>>744894292ok ok how about also dont play chinkslop
>>744894251>it's funny because japanese doesn't have idiomsUhhhh what?
>>744888529>NOA had a MUCH tighter leash put on its localization process and became much friendlier to localizing and publishing RPGs and other "too Japanese" gamesThis has never, ever been proven, the biggest example that it's a lie is TTYD HD.>No fat jokes>No cat calling>No calling someone crazy>Vivian
>>744893752>joke about dating your comic>two of them are still relevant 10 years later
>>744893752>than inserting [current thing] into the scriptI know that there are a couple of games that did this with extremely outdated 2014-2016 jokes but I can't for the life of me remember them. I'm sure 67 is probably being added to a japanese game as we speak.
>>744887718>pretty based>>Doesn't like short menIt's not based when they're biased against me!
>>744894273ぶちアクセントつけて日本語話すんが好きなんじゃ
if jRPGs had full voice acting like wRPGs i think they'd actually chop down the wordcount by a lot. For the very same reason wRPGs gutted writing once they had to voice EVERY line...now you're under financial pressure to cut dialogue down to the barest of bones, to reduce the amount of time you'll be paying a voice-actor to read lines.
>>744894626The shorter the king, the taller the crown, brother.
>>744884562I, for once, welcome our ai overlords.
>>744893192Why would I want to taste some other asshole's dick on my clam taco?
>>744878328I can't wait until AI puts these people out of a job.
>>744894441You have completely shattered any point you were trying to make complaining about Vivian when she's nearly Birdo tier in the "did you know she's transsexual in Japan???" factoid, your complaint is that the retranslation isn't closer to the original NOA localization
>>744894659俺が......俺自身が......真のセックスになるんだ‼
>>744894909My point was (before you destroyed it so good catch) is that no one is actually monitoring what Treehouse does because they continue to censor, even themselves.
>>744878328the fact that they used english in the first panel proves they are lying
translate this literally, plebs今朝がた虫が知らせたのか怪しく胸騒ぎしたことに思い当る
>>744881735could've just said "shiroyuki village" which anyone that watches a minimum of anime can decipher "shiro" white and "yuki" snow, but instead he decided to be faggot
>>744878328>translating a purely English idiom into a shitty pun in the same languageif anything this shows how shit localization is
>>744883035I think some localizers should never touch a script but I can at least understand when something isnt fully exact. Especially puns or wordplay that only makes sense in japanese. Heres a small example. Tomatomato, it is mostly just a tongue twister game for kids but in the english version it never really replaced the art on the tiles for "ma, mato, to". (Which is Demon, Target and Door in japanese). While it dosent affect gameplay here of course it is a small thing that might get lost in translation (and even for kids this game is easy for english speakers. Got it for a christmas present for a nephew and they managed to blaze through it in an evening)
If that ain't a bruh moment, then I don't know what is.
>>744882593Have you considered that I am a failed writer with ego problems and I despise the audience for this video game?
A while back I participated in a translation project for something in my native language. I really didn't like how the professionals go about it though. An example >A curse in the native language, a man yelling roughly: COCK>Literal meaning: COCK>Actual context: it means something like: I don't care what you are talking about, I don't care who you are; you are a cock/what you were talking about is a cock>Translation they go with: Fuck Personally I think horseshit fit more
>>744878427Excuse you chud? Localizers ARE writers
>>744894431name one
>eop thread is STILL GOINGInvest in some fucking rope.
>>744895717Welcome to Rope TownThe city of ropePlease enjoy the rope
>>744894125okay that is kinda cool, you even know the exact point in which they stopped doing that stuff. This is the sort of obscure game knowledge I appreciate from this site. Thanks.
>>744895158oh you can't do it huh? figures
>>744879204Reminds me of that one sadpanda MTL where it translated semen squiggles into words.
>>744890192replace good jokes with faggot leftist dribble and 2quirky5 you chungus faggot shit.
>>744895717what's with the "enlightened japanese learner" always coming out to suck off localizations? it seems somewhat dishonest that they learned japanese to avoid localizations, and then turn around and spend all their time online protecting localizers from criticism.
>>744887823Why can't the people getting paid do their jobs well? It isn't charity work, they're being compensated for subpar results.
>>744883035Aren't anons always mainly complaining about shit like>itadakimasumutating into shit like>Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub! Six seven! (Translators Note: WOW, this line sure would've been BORING if it were directly translated; thank goodness I'm here to fix this shitty writing!)
who cares lol luddites just use the LLM
>>744886910Purple isn't associated with water either but nobody fucking complains when Homer calls the ocean "wine colored"
>>744896294modern localizers haven't even watched the Simpsons anon, that's boomershit to them.
>>744896178What's up with you making up some shit instead of reading?
>>744896394who's making shit up? nobody comes into localizer complaint threads to call people EOPs except faggots trying to run defense for localizers.
>>744894125>After this incident, most US and EU English localizations of first-party Nintendo titles were handled separatelygenerally it depended on how much text the game hadstuff like zelda almost never got a separate eu translationand of course separate eu translations still happen for stuff like tomodachi life
>>744896245>just use the hallucination machineyeah nah, at least human hallucinations can be understood and filtered out.
>>744879137>Localizer adopts a 1-to-1 translation policy>It comes out poetry that completely rewrites part of your brainName 5 games.
>ITT /v/ is too retarded to understand that languages are not 1:1
>>744879568goddamn you are retarded
Modern localization is when hideous rapist indians who are barely literate in English use ChatGPT to turn a Japanese script into a reddit-approved gay fantasy.
>>744892150>certainly it wasn't the writers intention to offend people because i faggotlord faggot jew said so so were taking the liberty of censoring the fuck out of it. every single jew and leftist needs to be killed before anyone can even begin to talk about fixing any of the issues in the modern world.
>>744896593cope
>>744883402lmao
>>744894125>because "spastic" is like "retard" in britbong speakSuffering from cerebral palsy. Still, it was a retarded reaction. You don't see spics losing their shit whenever some Spaniard says coger el bus (literally fuck the bus in taconese, take the bus in Moor rapebaby-ese).>>744895708>name oneThis one describes you perfectly>馬鹿は死ななきゃ治らない>>744896178>what's with the "enlightened japanese learner" always coming out to suck off localizations?Those are larping trannies. Every Japanese learner HATES pozcalizers with a passion
>>744896458>wow you guys are fucking retards who need to rely on blue haired california faggots to deliver your media>RRRREEE Y U DEFEND CALI FAGGOTexplain your logic, monkey
>>744895158been real quite since this one dropped
>>744896896The second one isn't that bad. The girl? is kinda speaking in a kansai accent which commonly translates to country girl in english, you can't perfectly translate kansaiben but it does well enough
>>744897045>haha why complain, just learn japanese and ignore them, just let us.. i mean localizers do their job in peace haha!you're not fooling anyone anon.
>>744879826"Bahnhof verstehen" is an idom originating from WW1, propagated by soldiers who would 'hear only a single word: train station' - aka their ticket back home, away from the front.
>>744896390Anon, that was the author of the Odyssey and Iliad, not Matt Groening's animated series.
>>744897334>chudcel is so obsessed he needs to act out his schizo fantasies onlineHave sex
>>744897290>kansai accent which commonly translates to country girlthis never really felt right with me. considering the personality attached to Kansai-ben it always seemed like it'd make more sense to translate it as a strong boston or brooklyn accent.
>>744897334I almost feel bad for your inbred faggot ass. I don't translate anything. I don't engage with trannyslated content unless it keeps popping up in my face like this thread. Translation as a job is for poor people. Having to rely on translation is for retards.
Imagine if you were a successful game dev in the west, and you wanted to distribute your game overseas>translation company agrees to pick up your game>they assure you that they'll try to stay as faithful to the game as possible>find out they actually completely fucked it up, censoring dialogue wherever they didn't just outright change it to reflect the current political tensions in JapanWhat do you as a game dev do? Does the situation upset you? Do you apologize and try to get a new translation team? Your goal after all was to bring your game to more people.Or do you just go and join the sockpuppeting localizers in going>AAAAAAHHHH CHIGYAAAAAA WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEARN ENGLISH IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT
>>744897697well good news anon, your actions align perfectly with the interests of localizers. you're a very useful ally to them whether you intend to be or not.
>>744897812>What do you as a game dev do?Do as mighty gunvolt did: you get it fixed>inb4 I'm too broke for another translationI tried
>>744896750no u
>>744897812Sue them for breach of contract you fucking ignorant baboon. Maybe send them a fucking blade and a note that says "no cuts" if you're a diva.
>>744898010Always remember to respect a wanted criminal's pronouns!
>>744898010Gunvolt never recovered from this
>>744897538... now I kind of want to see a Simpsons spoof of the Odyssey though.
>>744897812sorry, role reversal is irrelevant because japan is superior in both scenarios. your western jewish tricks won't work here
>>744897909>you don't buy lofaglizer content?>uh um, you actually support them!!!!!
The crazy part to me is sometimes the character is literally speaking in english and the translators just change the lines anyway.Happens multiple times with Olivier in tits fc.
>>744898010xe's a big gender
>>744898189yet you come here to demoralize groups talking against them, curious...
>>744898010I’ll call Zonda whatever Xe wants to be called, top tier doujin artist
>>744897697>I don't engage with trannyslated contentSo you don't talk about video games?
>>744878328>Original text uses foreign idiomApply yourself
>>744898379>demoralizing This is a you problem. You alone are responsible for reading me that way you stupid fuck.
Played plenty of hentai games with AI translation. I honestly think we don't need translators anymore.
>>744878328>original: would make perfect sense in english, at best needs one minor tweak (just change it to "im gonna knock your lights out!")>raw translation: ridiculous extremely literal interpretation that you could make even with the english sentence, likely only used as an excuse by localizers for the next two steps.>clarification: stripping the original and raw translation of the intended joke/emphasis>adaption: replacing the original joke/emphasis with a new one that has a completely different tone and misses the point of the original.im glad that localizers are being threatened by AI because what the fuck is this shit.
>>744898293for xou
>>744878328stage 2 is the most svol
>LOWCOWization just completely adds new shit that wasn't in the OG
>>744898692>sees people complaining about bad localization>comes in for no other reason than to insult them for complaining about bad localizationnobody is buying it anon. if you cared as little as you say you do you wouldn't be in the thread at all.
>>744899087It's like oishii in my mouth!
>>744898981>MTLtard at it againpozcalizers suck, but your shit sucks just as much. You just want to replace humans and ship garbage while pocketing the change you unrepentant kike
>>744899108I am insulting you for being a stupid baboon who can only speak one language, not for complaining about shit service. Stop "localizing" what I say into your retarded schizo bullshit.
>>744899339maybe develop some self awareness about "where" you say things then. there's really only two choices here, you're either>so stupid you can't realize that coming into this thread inherently expresses an interest in the thread topic>a lying faggot localizer defender trying to run interference for bad localizations while pretending to not be on their sideso which one do you wanna be, a lying faggot or a retard? i'll let you pick.
>>744899087who the fuck is that
>>744899601The ability to consume the original media and disdain for subhuman shits who can't is relevant tp the topic at hand. The only thing beneath you are localizers, people who can understand the original media and misrepresent it.
>>744878328This pisses me off because "I will break the light bulbs in your house" is the WRONG translation.The "lights" in the first sentence don't refer to light bulbs, but rather the "lights" in someone's eyes. "I'm gonna punch your lights out" literally would mean "I am going to hit you and knock you unconscious".Since the first step of this process is mangled its no wonder all lolcowization is fucking terrible
>>744900453>This pisses me off because "I will break the light bulbs in your house" is the WRONG translation.and yet, its the most memorable. The others wouldn't even register in your mind as you read them, but "I will break all the lightbulbs in your house with my bare hands" is a raw line, its different, you'll remember this guyThe "worst" translation in this instance is easily the best, the others are simply boring
>>744900950If I have no expectations, I can tolerate a Duwang. If I'm paying 60-70, I really expect better than Duwang.
>>744897653not every dub goes for the country accent for kansai characterspic related was translated as new joisey for instance
>>744878328>original name Irina (too slavic)>adaptation name Elena>original name Zax (too fantasy)>adaptation name Zack>original name Marin (too japanese)>adaptation name MarleneAnd to this day gaymers continue to use the fake names haha
>>744897812>CHIGYAAAAAAThis anon's power level is no joke. Probably a literal Japanese
>ITT: retards acting like english has a monopoly of terrible writing and prose Sometimes the original is just bad.Honorifics are retarded and cringe in non-japanese settings imo.
>>744878328>>744898049>be 15 or 16>taking health or some shit during summer school>in line for ice cream during lunch break>feel something brush up against my back and think nothing of it>a second later feel something get a huge grope out of my ass >jump in shock and look behind me>group of like 3 latina girls are giggling like crazy while their leader is telling me she thinks i'm insanely cute and wants my number>i was utterly mortified and had no idea how to handle the situation, basically just told her "um... noo... s-sorry..." >she keeps saying how cute i am and how i should really give them my number>i decide to go sit back down and lose all interest in icecreamHonestly, it was the most insane 30 seconds of my entire life.
>>744902810>Honorifics are retarded and cringe in non-japanese settings imo.fair, but localizers are obsessed with removing them from japanese settings too.
>>744879045Well, I hope you're hungry, 'cause I brought a mean knuckle sandwich!
>>744879045>TL Note: Dinner means bangohan
>>744902836That's cute anon, what's your number?
>>744902810>Honorifics are retarded and cringe in non-japanese settingsConventions are convetions. The senpai-kouhai distinction is important, as are dropped honorifics.Translation should never have been left to retarded academics living in ivory towers who get high off their farts and don't know the first thing about Japan's fan circles and subcultures. It should have stayed within otaku circles
this thread is a new low for the board
>>744895708負け犬の遠吠え
>>744903061>>744903549>muh honorificswhat about pronouns then you fucking tard
>>744895158Don't anglos use a little birdy told me to mean something similar?
>>744901991Whats-her-face here also had the "fugghedaboutit" Noo Yawk accent in the English translation of the manga.
What's wrong with>I'm gonna knock your lights out!>[Translators note: Keikaku means doori]
>Roger all that.Made up genders aside, they can't even get the easy parts not to sound awkward.
>>744900950This is the same logic localizers use when they make a Japanese character spout pickle Rick meme, btw
>>744903628well it'd be kind of weird to remove pronouns entirely when translating a work like they do honorifics, so i'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
>>744903647No that's not what it means
>>744903683anon i...
As someone fluent in four languages, I think all localizers should be killed. All of them. The concept of localization is anti-art and anti-human.
I learned to accept that some degree of localization is unavoidable when I stopped seething at translators for adding unnecessary subtitles to movie titles (from english to my language) and started thinking about why they did it. The obvious first reason is trying to make it more attractive to the general public, but there's some stuff that simply doesn't transfer the same idea the original word does.Translating something like Airplane! literally would just leave everyone confused in my country because it has not enough information to sell the movie to us. This dissonance happens a lot with single-word or two-word-long english titles (Groundhog Day comes to mind). The problem begins when localizators try too hard to make things quirky and end up deviating too much from the original. I absolutely despise shit like GBF Relink's translation, which might as well be an officially approved fanfic. I just listen to the JP voices and leave it at that.
>>744878427Yes they do, very based
>>744897812This did happen to Project Moon back in the days. The company is korean thö!
>>744898010>XeThe souykids ruined me
>>744895708JIGOKU DE KOUKAI SURU GA II
>>744888412Both aspects are hard, but you're right that writing is harder.
Does spic/SEA nu/v/ hate Kid Icarus Uprising's localization now? It checks every mark you browns all hate.
>>744903829the point is that people who complain about honorifics being dropped never complain about different pronouns all being translated as "I"
>>744903847Yeah it does! You don't need a actual person to tell you...I would just make a pun with the word instinct and insect and call it a day.
The dialogue is talking about how le epic wholesome Marxism is The original Japanese was talking about little girl nipples
>>744904393probably because "I" is still a correct translation for those things. calling your classmate "Mr. Lastname" is infinitely more unnatural than "Lastname-san", whereas replacing "boku" with "I" doesn't cause any issues other than losing a small bit of flavor.
There are times when you can't do a one to one translation but for god sake at least pick something close. In my language we use "I farted for no reason at all" to mean "I messed up"
>>744896178You think the trannies are just gonna sit back quietly and watch you destroy their translations?
>>744904502>calling your classmate "Mr. Lastname" is infinitely more unnatural than "Lastname-san",then drop honorifics in that situation
>>744898010>Do as mighty gunvolt didshit on the fanbase more and more surf each entry? i dont think i can think of a studio that hates their player base more than the gunvolt devs
>>744903505post butt
Does anyone have a screenshot of a VN where a T/N with a line about a lady "smelling like the sun" was "Yes that is what this faggot is saying"
>>744904502they should drop last name instead. call lastname-san just "mister". and lastname-kun "sport". and lastname hakase "doc" and so on
>>744896593>implying machines make any hallucinations in the modern age
>>744905157Guaranteed replies
>>744904767why? this is a japanese setting, why go out of your way to omit character dynamics like that?
>>744905205>2 repliesUh, congrats?
>>744905243>why? this is a japanese settingthis is really the root of itjust put in a fucking TL note for fuck's sakeI feel like TL just died outright because people memed about the really obnoxious ones
>>744878328How is the raw translation not "I'm gonna punch your lights out"? It's almost as though the hipster that came up with this diagram is a lying faggot or something.
>>744905243>why go out of your way to omit character dynamics like that?so why isn't it an issue with pronouns?
>>744881541Is the seethe note actually ingame? If so, how the fuck did that get approved?
>>744905516Are you going to put a TL note every time a character speaks on a videogame though?
>nooo baka gaijins you must respect the source material>also Japan:
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>>744893421>they'd try to remove Pearl from the series entirely.Why?
>>744878428stupid pedo bait image
>>744878328>All the retards that can't understand a simple as fuck example of translation process because it's all in EnglishSo this is the brainpower of people on this board...
>>744905587Well there's a few things to note about this image.>1. The author is clearly only talking about J>E translation>2. All of it is in English, which allows the author to create an entirely ridiculous "raw translation" that necessitates change >3. The author added a fourth "original" text box to reinforce that the "raw translation" is not the intended meaningLet's just say, he really didn't want you to disagree with the practice of localization.
>weeb fantasy: ranfansan transrateru hyaku paasento>reality: I can take this nip stuff and change it with little effort to sell to a western audience
The only translations that I accept are literal translations from ESLs that think they're good at Japanese and English but aren't.
>>744878328"I'm gonna punch your lights out" is one of the most standard modern english things you can fucking say to a motherfucker. How in the fuck does that become "I hope you're thirsty, 'cause I brought some punch"?
>>744905794it's a lesser of two evils sort of thing. with "watashi" "boku" or "ore" there's already an accepted english translation (I) that omits detail but generally you can make up for that with the character's tone. with honorifics and terms like senpai/kouhai there's no proper replacement at all. so for pronouns your getting a small loss of information, but with honorifics your getting a total loss of information, and a total loss is more of a problem than a small loss even if a small loss isn't ideal either.
reminder: the image in the OP isn't real and it baited a 465 reply thread
>>744906515>generally you can make up for that with the character's tonewhy can't you do the same with honorifics, then?
>>744906691It always felt fake, but where is it from?
>>744906863it's from clyde mandelin's books on game translations
>>744906436"I'm gonna punch your lights out" was boring, so we added some flavor to it.Everyone likes it better that way.
>>744878328O.G. San is peak tho
>>744906805it's not impossible, but it's a lot more subtle and therefore difficult to do.
>>744906913Oooooh, it's Tomato's methodology. That guy was always hack.
>>744907048>minor spelling mistake>OHHHHHHH MY SCIENCE OOHHHHH HE IS A HAAAACK
>>744906436Because it's a stand in for a foreign idiom, you illiterate fucking moron.
>>744907587You don't know Japanese.
>>744906691>baited automated botswho gives a fuck
>>744885220I'm pretty good with most of my grammar but whom STILL trips me up. It's used when the unknown person is the "object" of the sentence, right? So: "Of whom do you speak" is correct?And: "Who's bag is this?" would be the other correct usage?I honestly don't remember if I have that right or not
>>744908353>Who'sWhose, but you're correct. "Whom" is the accusative form of "who," no different than saying "him"
Localization is swapping sushi for a hamburger.Everything else is translation.
>>744878328Localizing is a value neutral action. It's only a question of whether or not the localizer is a good writer or not, that's the only distinction between a good localization and a bad one
>>744906436>How in the fuck does that become "I hope you're thirsty, 'cause I brought some punch"?How dare you criticize the pinnacle of localizer prowess, you racist, homophobic bigot! Xe tried very hard to polish the original unrefined, uncouth Japanese into nothing but immaculate perfection.Only true connoisseurs can tell when they're in the presence of quality. You wouldn't get it in a million years because you're a bigoted incel!
>>744907048>excuse please methat's feels awful to say and conveys the wrong message (please me), on top of being fucking wrong as it doesn't reflect the one syllable typo in the originalI hate MTLtards like you
>>744905935No? You don't need to do that.
>>744909354Conveys jumbled words without making the player think there was an unintentional typo. The AI and original Japanese both make this clear.
>>744907048and you're a fag
>>744909552Cry about it, Clyde.
>>744878478Raw translation^1>^1 text explaining raw translation in footnote
>>744880678>the series wouldn't be as beloved if it was translated literally.you can't prove that
>>744883402evergreen
>>744898981I'm surprised how many people here don't understand the point of this fucking image. 1 is not a translation at all it's supposed to represent the original language, they are doing an english to english localization so EOPs can understand but I guess it still fails cause people are just that stupid.
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>>744889080thanks for confirming my schizo theory that localization lolcows are the same people who defend DT on /v/ because you all talk with the same passive aggressive teenage tone
>>744909268The original here is in english, not japanese.
localization as a concept is sound, you just need tasteful people doing it. that's something that might be difficult in fan communities but in a healthy reality businesses would be able to acquire translators with basic taste.
>>744906204This thread is a great argument to disregard most of the people involved in anti-localization discourse if I wasn't convinced already. Actual sub-50 IQ monkeys who can't grasp a basic hypothetical.
It is funny that localizers are often left-wing types given that localization is an inherently capitalistic process meant to warp an artistic work into something more marketable for another culture.
Localization is a concept that only exists in japanese to english translations. Why does japanese alone need to localized? Why is it ok to do a normal translation from spanish or german or whatever to english?
>>744910553>Localization is a concept that only exists in japanese to english translationswrong
>>744910553europe and america are "on the same page" for most things culture wise. japan, despite being a US satellite state, still has some old collectivist conservatism left in them, meaning cultural differences are problematic and must be stamped out >>744892150
>>744909501>jap is missing a mora>shitty MTL has word order reversed and feels awful to read2/10 apply yourself
>>744895375I feel like a truly excellent translator makes himself redundant. By leaving in things like town names, proper names, idioms and the -sans -oniis You offer the audience a half step closer to the original than what they would otherwise get, offering them a chance for growth and learning,Keikaku doori became a massive meme but we all know what it means.
>>744910150If you want me to feel bad about Xenosys getting his own stupid ass banned because it's "passive aggressive" to not root for a culture warrior, that's just not gonna happen and I can't help you with that Anon
>>744910740>jap is missing a moraStill wrong, my dyslexic friend.
>>744910798see what I mean?
Why is this only a problem in english and in whoever is responsible for some spanish titles in Spain?
>>744910486True, we need more localization, not less.
>>744910828It looks like you got angry XenosysVex was insulted, from where I'm standing.
>>744878328this is loss
>>744883320How have none of you retards clocked that this is literally (not literally) just "muddy the waters?"
>>744910968>keeps responding in a passive aggressive tone>laser focused on the random eceleb even though the reply had nothing to do with that>random reaction image about AI for no reason as wellsee what I mean?
>>744910797>By leaving in things like town names, proper names, idioms and the -sans -oniis You offer the audience a half step closer to the original than what they would otherwise get, offering them a chance for growth and learning,NOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT, I PLAY GAMES TO HAVE FUN, NOT LEARN THINGS. YOU NEED TO STRIP ALL TRACES OF JAPANESE CULTURE OR ELSE IT'S FUCKING OFFENSIVE TO ME YOU STUPID WEEABOO
>>744911056No, I don't see what you mean.
>>744884568>>744884926how is this tripping people up. 30 years ago things like "-san, -chan, -kun" were considered too foreign but now pretty much everyone has a basic understanding of them and aren't weirded out when they appear in media.turns out people grow familiar with a foreign culture if you expose them to it, who knew
>>744910150>>744911056>passive aggressive tonewhat the fuck does this even mean?
>>744911227https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior
>>744911251use your own words
>>744911046Don't forget "cloud the issue"
>>744904624You just have a cringe language. Literally translated idioms are kino. >You would refuse a toast only to drink in forfeit? Not even a chinaboo they just have some of the most over the top shit.
Personally, once I learned about shit like Fire Emblem Fates or Final Fantasy IX localizations...idk that's just unacceptable to me. It seems so obvious to me that things shouldn't be this way. But other people aren't like that, I guess? It's so weird, and that's what makes localization discourse so fascinating.It's like that old Ross analogy, what if it was normal to cut off your own fingers to feed it to birds. And you're just like, hey, isn't cutting off our fingers to feed birds fucking retarded? And everyone just looks at you like you comitted a faux pas.
>>744911441I never understood it either. I always thought it was because localizers fancied themselves writers.
/v/ just want robot dialogue with no charm.
>>744911604Better that than wrong.
>>744911604someone should make a translation political compass with "accuracy" and "readibility" axes.
>>744881735if its Shiroyuki, a good translation would be not "White Snow", but "Snow White", because adjective-object order is usually reversed. Furthermore, as spoken by a fluent tongue, Shiroyuki would smear together and nearly drop the "yu" altogether. So, a good translation would be "Snowite" which captures the combination, brevity, and fluidity of the original word. t. not even trying to learn Japanese seriously
>>744911891>implying localizations have either
>>744912224Adjective order is not reversed in Japanese, except in dependent clauses. Also, read the actual text on the picture before offering hypothetical translations to a name that's already English.
>>744912234most treehouse localizations would be in the "low accuracy low readibility" quadrantIm imagining something like FFXIV or Ace Attorney to be in the "low accuracy high readibility" quadrant"high accuracy low readibility" would be poor-quality MTL"high accuracy high readibility" are for unicorn translations, feel free to post examples because I struggle to think of them
>>744912361I don't know, I feel like a lot of the complaints people have really have nothing to do with compromises on readability. Pic related is a strange reversal in meaning. Both the literal translation and the localization are perfectly readable, yet the localizers cut out the tutorial language for no apparent reason. This happens quite a lot.
>>744912591ig its a bit vaguer than it should be. I notice a lot of bad localizations like to "punch up" dialogue so it sounds like bad tv writing. I think the "failed writers" thesis might be the most accurate.Also I would say all of your AI translations are pretty natural sounding, that's why I specified "poor-quality MTL" in my post.
>>744878478The best option is 3, the brainwashing is basically 'if 3 is better than 2, therefore 4 must also be better than 2'.
>>744878328>original is already an english idiom >change it for literally no reasonfuck is this actually real?
>>744901991yooo best Monokub mentioned
>>744881927That falls under localization.
>>744913089its meant to show the process of "localization", but all it does is say "We take the original phrase ridiculously literally so that we can butcher the line in later steps and say that it was the only way to translate it to english"
>>744913321Localization involves changes to the language that better suit the target locale. Winter wonderland is just sense-for-sense.
