>"video game" - a game in which you press buttons to control and move images on a screen (Oxford Dictionary)Do AI text adventure games make the cut?
No. It's fancier CYOA, which is classified as a book.
>>744931130>a game in which you press buttonsENTER
>>744931130Shit definition and even then AI narration wouldn't fit it.
Since moving onto mostly making my own cards, Ive reached a point where the main limitation for making the cards I want is my own writing ability. Shit is infuriating.
>>744931130Buy an ad.
>>744931130it does not: you are restricted into a cuckchair and forced to recite socialist realism and communist manifesto doctrine - not roleplaying and also apologizing for western imperialism with zero explanation why in a historical setting.anyone who enjoys this "asymmetric warfare tool" for dysgenics should be hauled into a camp and killed.
/stg/ - SillyTavern General>Installationhttps://docs.sillytavern.app/installation/>Botshttps://characterhub.orghttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botshttps://botbooru.comhttps://chararc.bernkastel.pictures>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editorOr make your own (see card creation guide reply to this post).>Models - The MetaGLM 5.2 or DeepSeek V4 via OpenRouter / NanoGPT. GLM is better for general / roleplay.Make OpenRouter account, top up $10 (name on credit card NOT required, can pay crypto too), create API key.Connection Profiles, Chat Completion, OpenRouter, paste key. Model: z.ai GLM 5.2.Cheap - $10 lasts months.>ProvidersDeepInfra or Parasail (explicitly no logging, in RAM for serving requests only, gets deleted after). Keep “Allow fallback providers” unchecked. Keep personal info out of prompts.>Muh Claude / GoogleThey log everything and still have mild censorship. Jailbreaks are fucky. Chinese models have no censorship (except China criticism), don't care what you goon to and are cheaper.>PresetsUse Chat Completion as Text Completion is dated.Freaky Frankenstein 5.0 Micro: https://rentry.org/freaky-frankenstein-presetsGLM 5.2 presets: https://rpfiend.com/glm-5-2-presets-sillytavern/Or ask any LLM for a .json RP preset for your model of choice.>AI-tisms - "I won't bite, unless you want me to"Use the Logit Bias section in the Preset config menu (furthest to the left and scroll down), add a bias entry, paste the GPTism inside quotes and set the number to -100.>ExtensionsGuided Generations: https://github.com/Samueras/GuidedGenerations-Extension
>>744931175CYOA are so garbage they don't count as literature either. AI generation is only useful for porn anyway.
>>744932591>Card creation guideCharacter Management (furthest to the right) -> Create New CharacterIn the Description box:[Profile = A general summary and background of the character - who they are, any significant facts etc.][Personality = Six words to describe their personality, three positive, three negative, followed by a short summary. No more than 100 words.][Appearance = Physical appearance excluding clothing.][Clothing = The character's clothing.][Powers = All your character's powers.]Copy paste from the character's wiki page if using copyrighted characters, or get AI to write it for you (and your model). Find & replace their name with {{char}}, re-write parts for natural prose where needed.Click Advanced Definitions (the little textbook icon)In the Example Dialogue box:<START>{{char}}: "(line from source material)"<START>{{char}}: "(line from source material)"{{char}}: "(more)"up to 5 times.In the First Message box - just put a line from the source material in quotes, preferably one where they introduce themselves.
>>744932591>Make OpenRouter account, top up $10
>>744932717>pay jews.hmm, who could be behind this post?
>>744931130NoThey don't even work anyway because a) every single model is way too agreeable and b) context limits are miniscule even on the most advanced hardware presently available, oh and c) some bullshit will almost inevitably be introduced that contradicts the setting no matter how carefully you craft the initial promptThe tech just is not there yet
>>744932591Chinese models do have "censorship" other than "Chinese Government" any mention of "Government Criticism" or "Right Wing Politics" = instant ban under extremism and otherwise you can't mention "Gore/Blood/Death" or they go haywire. they also have senile ideas about Japanese, Korean and Mongolian culture/history from Chinese lens which portrays them as "vassal nations"/"enemies of China" and expect you to align with Chinese ideology religiously. only subhumans wouldn't notice this much. similarly for Indian AI. they push their propaganda.
>>744931130i am scared of ai chat bots, because i think once i get into one that's actually good it will be like opening pandora's box and i will spend too much time chatting with AIs
>>744931130AI Dungeon felt like an attempt at making a game, even though the results were questionable. NovelAI was more like a writing tool and I only ever used it for porn. Shit lile SillyTavern seems way more complicated to use than either, which just highlights how retarded the AI bubble is, this is supposed to be the future of everything but a lot of these big AI services are stupidly complicated to use for no good reason.
>>744932956That will be true for a while, but you'll eventually recognise all of their patterns and once you see through the matrix there is no AI. They're genuinely just shit, and I don't think any amount of 'refining' the fundamental processes that the technology currently uses will make a lick of difference, it has to be entirely rebuilt from the ground up and that's a LONG way away, if it ever even gets taken seriously as an option at all.
>>744932956>>744933020yep there's no AI in the way that they try to market its just a tree of choices "reacting" to pre-cooked answers 24/7.
>>744933154AI generated text can create interesting combinations, I see it more like a Dadaist Machine. The problem is that some models just end up giving you the same results over and over again.
>>744933310its the interpreter system and format that ruins it, there's too many assumptions "baked into the system" by people who would want to restrain creativity to "party approved image" of what's allowed.
>>744932927my goonbot doesn't care about any of that stuff
>>744932621>Find & replace their name with {{char}}this makes things worse
>>744932591do i visit /g/ or /vg/ for later help and updates?i've just been lazy and using agnai for all my needs>>744931175any good CYOA games?i did that Aura Clash oneand i got so desperate that i tried some free geocities grids
>Deepseek going up in priceFuuuuuuuuuuuccckkk
>>744932591>0 RPG extensions, front ends or lorebooks in the OP
>>744934526/mlp/
>>744934943rip
>>744932591Any local models to recommend?
>>744932476>have to start reading books
>>744935497Depends on your VRAMProbably a Gemma 4 model
>>744934526>any good CYOA games?that's what sillytavern is for anon
>Think more anons are getting into ERP (even if its with bots)>Look inside and its just goon fragmented sentences while the LLM generates the whole fucking scenarioBiggest disappointment of the decade.
>>744935671What's the closest you've come to using it for actual gaming?
>>744934965Name them
>>744935825Fine, I'll throw my hat in the ring.
>>744934526the generals on /g/ and /vg/ are circlejerks with their super sekrit presets, the threads posted here actually contain useful information
>>744935838i like text adventures so i'm happy with the baseline, but there's plenty of mods going around now for various games where you can plug the LLM (talking robot) into it for NPC dialogue if that's what you're afterthe ones for skyrim and rimworld are particularly neat
>>744935997I wasn't asking to see that anon. I was bitching about it. You sillytard-vern
>>744935671How do I get my st set up like this?
>>744936456This is a CYOA game. At the end of each message, offer me choices to make like this:***>>A>>B>>C>>D
>>744936456other anon's post works alright but sometimes you gotta be more specificthis one's a light framework that i've turned into a preset toggle, it works with most models and scenarios that don't already have a tracker/cyoa built into them,(change the option text or add more lines if you want more variance)Throughout the story, you will append at the end of your turn a three-option CYOA for {{user}}'s perspective, and the options given will only be four words maximum each. It will be formatted as such:<format>>__[A: Narrative and sexy continuation option]__ >__[B: Lewd and fetish-focused option]__ >__[C: Something else/Dialogue]__ </format>
>>744936683Can't this be done to define dice rolls too? Like 3d6 with 111 being a win and 666 being an epic fail?
>>744936802unfortunately the AI is a deceitful cheating bitch and it will just lie about dicerolls and results in most cases, but you're welcome to trysometimes it's easier to just turn off brain and pretend it's not just picking numbers that are convenient (until it starts spamming 'natural 20s' to try and be dramatic and you have to beat the narrator with a plank for a bit)
>>744937124You could just roll the dice in real life or in a separate program and then insert those results in
>>744936802LLMs don't know what dice and numbers are. Any attempt at including dice rolls in chatbots failed.You are better off rolling your own dice seperately.
>>744937193It knows what they are but has no mechanism to simulate randomness. It's similar to asking a person to roll a dice but the person doesn't have a dice and just names a number they think sounds random.Random numbers could be easy to implement if someone just did it. You could have an invisible number that just ticks up to 100 until it resets to 0. The program could take a snapshot of the number and use that to create the random number. Like if you roll a d6 and the snapshot says 50 then you roll 3.This would take insignificant amount of resources and I wouldn't be surprised if the AI RPGs on the market already have this implemented. It's the main LLMs that don't innovate shit and focus on the training data and reducing costs.
>unlimited cunny worksI'm gonna be honest tho, most people are boring as fuck and don't know how to make fun cards, so just make your own (and I'd argue don't use whatever the fuck services ask you for an API, just go full local, download lm studio and a gemma 4 model, and do a card there with exactly what you want and how you want it)
>>744937391AI rpgs fall into two categories:1. Just roll your own dice bro2. Just install my frontend bro
>>744937423>implyingEven local models have to be ultra-tard-wrangled into anything vaguely verboten.
>>744937124>>744937193I've had pretty good results with dicerolls personally, the reason you don't want the llm to do the dice roll itself is because that consumes tokens, and it'd better it be done on your CPU with just some simple json work>>744937391it doesn't take any fucking resources, it's only a problem if it's the model doing it, then it needs to think about it way more than you might think 'oh the user wants me to roll a dice, ok' -> 'oh it needs to be a d100 ok' -> 'okay so what are the tables, ok' -> 'ok it rolled a 6, ok' -> 'okay what does 6 do' etc etcyou could have an ST extension (or whatever other program you use) and have the dice rolling happening there and there's nothing the model could do about it, and it would take no resourcesthe issue is that ST is not a good place for such a system because ST is just a chatbot, you CAN do it, but doing so implies you'll have to directly affect the prompt (since you want to tell her directly 'okay you'll do that' without even referring to the dice rolls, otherwise she'll get confused and think 'oh do I need to do dicerolls too now?' etc), but doing that will lead to a billion potential incompatibilities with any other extensions running etc etc
>>744936802>>744937124There are presets that use the {{roll}} macro, here's an example of one: https://rentry.org/CharacterProvider-CYOARPG
>>744937601for normal porn a small model like Gemma is enough in local
Do you think AI will improve significantly for sexting in the next 5 or so years?
>>744937601None of you faggots can ever tell me what 'good writing' looks like, you just complain about a few words popping up every now and then as if it's a sign that everything's unreadable, even tho you have dozens of tools to get rid of whatever triggers you like that.You just used it two thousand times and your brain needs something new, it has nothing to do with the capabilities of the model and everything to do with you being a masturbation addict with not a single speck of creativity inside of you.
Which model doesn't freak out at anatomically accurate pokeporn?
>>7449377035 years is a long time in this context, but I'm still going to say 'no' because they're putting 100x the effort into """safety""" and corporate interests that they are into creative usability, and god forbid sexual content. The majority of the companies HATE sexual content because their training data is flooded with it but their biggest customers want it totally filtered out.
good timing for an ST thread.How do you people summarize shit. I genned a summary response and some say to put it in a world book, but how do I clean up the context Say I have 200 messages and I want to remove the top 180.Also should I leave a note in chat that the summary is made from this position in chat?
>>744937747None of them do anything non-human great yet, I got some horse raping a girl story that turned out okay, but anything involving multiple of them or if there's a lot of movement; no go.Soon though
>>744937703Yes, although it will move away from text and become a visual/audio live-feed of a simulated world. Put on your ultra slim VR glasses, haptic suit, bluetooth anal plug / masturbator and live your fantasies.
>>744931130Is Zork a videogame?
>>744937861I've never managed to get an AI to do an actually good summary. There's always flavour lost like character 'voices' and little moments to refer back to. I think it's one of those things you either deal with mediocrity from the machine, or you painstakingly construct it yourself as you go.
>>744937861You tell an AI exactly what you want it to do, you tell it 'I need you to write a system prompt to then give you to be able to summarize large swathes of text for a roleplay story of mine, make sure to ask me so we can do some back and forth in case you're unsure of something to negate hallucination potential', then you do back and forth with it, you get the system prompt you want, then you use that prompt in a brand new chat (with no context pollution) and you then give it the story; and voila.Models are pretty good once you tell it they need to ask you shit and that there must be back and forth; it's made to please you as fast as possible, when quality matters more than speed then you need to tell it so.
>>744935856vegu-ai /talemate envy-ai /ai_rpg Coneja-Chibi /VectHarePasta-Devs /Marinara-Engine MultihogAurelius /SillyTavern-MultihogDnDFrameworkMentallyQuill /SagaCounterClockTTRPG /ttrpg-toolsfelixchaos /rpg-roleplay-platform Sagesheep /NarrativeEngine-P Jeka201216 /Silly-Map
>>744938101>Pasta-Devs /Marinara-Enginehttps://rentry.org/marifagRCEIt's your moral obligation to shine a light on all useful idiots supporting slopcoded frontends.
>>744932781>pay anything at allget a better PC and use a local model, the only limit you have with it is the context amount but it doesn't matter for gooning.if you use it for actual complex RP purpose then yeah, you either need a dedicated server hosted by yourself OR you pay up to a shady place that host everything you do with your bots
>>744938241>pay up to a shady place that host everything you do with your botslol schizo
>>744931130Do visual novels?
Chatbot style stuff isn't for me, I preferred NovelAI style interactive fiction so I've been running a local model and just using the generic Kobold interface. Still pretty new to all this so there's a lot of tardwrangling to do (for both myself and the ai) before I get things exactly how I want.
>>744938304>bro just put all your goon prompts into a nebulous outgoing connection!I'm sure it's going nowhere, anon. It's just magicked into a return message and completely forgotten afterwards.
>>744938330I agree, that's why you need to make the card a 'narrator' and not the girl, and then you either create the character cards separately and you deal with it in groups, or you create a lorebook with the characters' information in it that's tied to the narrator
>>744938372why did you replied to an obvious SEAnigger ? or worse, a pajeet.neither of them know shit about computers anyways, even if they had a good PC they aren't capable of reading a user guide and set up a local model host
>>744938438>why did you replied
>>744938372nta but there are TRILLIONS (1,000,000,000,000+) of tokens going out every month for every major provider, they do not give a shit if you spend even a million of that on whatever highschool fart porn you're embarrassed about
>>744938029not sure how this is supposed to help me. I have the summary already, I'm asking how I shove it into a Silly Tavern chat (in a branch or a new chat).I want to keep some messages for context.The delete messages function always deletes everything from top to bottom. The only thing I can think of is generate json, edit it and import it again, but there must be a better way.>>744937963obviously I touched it up a bit. Ai will always fuck up some parts, but you may forget about some things as well.
>>744938535>people don't care about all the data collected on you!Argument 100% refuted with a simple "then why are you collecting it?"
>>744938672no i don't think that's how argument or discussion works anon
The only thing I wanna do with AI is what Kobold offers with the "you give me some info and I turn it into a paragraph of text", but I want a better GUI and I want to be able to use cards and save lorebooks and stuff without having to re-create them every session.I put hours into getting ST set up only to find that this is already too complicated because the whole thing is set up to be like a chatroom with bots.I tried Marinara and followed the tutorial to a T and while it boots it's just lobotomized and can't even do the most basic shit without giving me empty error messages.
>>744937861"Meta commentary: the context is filling up and we need to migrate to a new context window, summarize the most important events from the story in a list along with a brief character arc for each of the main characters, aim for around [x] words."Start new chat, paste the summary and the most recent message into the post along with "this is a continuation of the story" etc to make sure it isn't confused. This is the way I've been doing it, I don't like the extensions.
I know its not vidya but since its AI i want to ask any tools with AI to do really long stories yet? like webnovel slop long? or is it still too much with no good summary ability?
>>744938745It absolutely is. The most common argument against basic online privacy is "well, nobody cares about your data!"Great, prove it by not harvesting it anymore. After all you don't care, so why waste resources on it?Of course they won't stop because they were lying through their teeth.
>>744932476I always try to make my cards as interesting as I can. In fact, there's a group of cards I've made with a premise interesting enough that I've strongly wanted to turn into a VN for a while now. Think I'm finally going to do it.
>>744938804sure, you can give it a few paragraphs of story direction and characters and just tell something like opus (anthropic/claude models) to shit out 10,000+ words/tokens of story for you on its output turn, but it'll be kinda expensive
>>744938776how do you copy over messages? Do you just shove the text in a single message?
>>744938863i think this is like being paranoid about street cameras or hiding whenever a helicopter goes overhead; it all stems from an over-developed sense of self-importance imo, like the whole world is always watching you in particular. yeah, surveillance is gay and intrusive, but what does it matter at the end of the day? there's plenty of old idioms and proverbs about the uselessness of seeing everything without the ability to comprehend it. i think it's kinda like that
Faggots pretend to be anti-AI except whent this bottom of the barrel trash is involved. Buy an ad, shill.
>>744939056Yes, I compose it in a text file and copy it to the first message with some hints and stuff, gemma understands right away.
>>744938804interactive stories or do you mean you make a prompt and want the ai to print out 100,000 words.You can do both but the latter is going to be hard slop and difficult to quality control because you have to read through walls of text until you inevitably get to the point where the story goes to shit.>>744938863Most people don't realize is that the data might be stored forever, for a time when it carries more meaning. You might go 50 years in the future and someone can tell from your waifu chat whether you are mentally sane and how likely it is that you commited certain crimes.
>>744933020>>744933154really? i mean, i mostly wanted to write some self insert fanfic with the toaru majutsu no index story, would it work if is something that simple and railroaded towards the canon?
>>744931130AI chat is dying. While models get ""smarter"" they just keep getting worse in terms of writing. Slop is breeding more atrocious slop with every new release.Interest is dwindling, it feels like it's been months since I last saw anybody produce a card that's not complete shit.
>>744939460it's possible you're just impossible to please because of your unmedicated depression brain
>>744939273>See a thread you don't like?>Shout "Buy an ad">Then you silence the opposition allowing you to claim victory
>>744939460>>744939529It's because every single time they do any updates to these things it's to add more "guardrails" as they love to call lobotomizing and sanitizing. This is intentional. Their primary use case is data entry shit.
>>744939460Chat is dying. Mechanics are on the rise.
I keep giving myself godpowers and end up with characters stuck in an infinite climax loop for thousands of years, it's getting old. How do I set up a good "slow burn" story?
>>744939743You have to raise the stakes and pretend there are consequences. Basically don't play on easy mode with cheats. Exist in the story, don't exist in the writer's room.
After setting up a local model and pretty much sexting with it, what does it require to set up image generation alongside with it so that it will generate an image of the scenario and does it require a beefy GPU?
>>744938634>not sure how this is supposed to help me. I have the summary already, I'm asking how I shove it into a Silly Tavern chat (in a branch or a new chat).>I want to keep some messages for context.Then it's the same idea, but from where you're starting, teach a man a fish and all that?You tell the AI 'I'll provide you a summary of my story and you need to write it in a sillytavern lorebook format; here's an example of one' and voila
>>744939458sure you can do it and it will be somewhat believable, but the more and longer you do ai roleplay, you eventually realize that the ai is just a writer, not a character.you feed it information like>girl, long red hair, tsundere, german descent or >roleplay as asuka from ngeand it will essentially be pretty much the same thing. If the ai knows who Asuka is, it will just pull character traits from datasets like wikis or fanfiction to fill that trivia for you, maybe add some dialogue to refine the writing. You can show it a picture of asuka and it will just extract rudimentary information about that character like if you looked at the tags of an image on a booru.It will never truly feel like Asuka, the ai will always mix in its own writing style like a fan writing about Asuka. It makes sense because there is no canon information about how Asuka would react to 'having anal sex' it will just extrapolate the usual tsundere behaviour and your input.It might be enough for you to be believable, but maybe not anymore after you did the same thing with 10 other tsundere characters.Part of the problem is that while ai can write about anything its basically just one writer that can various different superficial styles of writing, but not change its core principles of what it wants to write without constant user interception.Ideally we would have multiple AI flavors for every new AI, but basically no AI model focuses on creative writing.
>>744938748Yeah, it's too niche of a hobby right now and there's nobody willing to put in any real money either to create a good version (that isn't going to cuck you through forcing you to use them for API etc), I feel you, I would've given up instantly too if not for my background in tech, there's too much friction, but that's partly due to people not understanding 'yet' what is actually needed, ST is just too much, it provides too much and because it does so, it forced itself into a corner where they're obligated to go through gymnastics just for something to work that would otherwise be very simple.It's just a case of devs not understand what the fuck UX is or means, but someone will make a good one eventually, marinara was also a step in the right direction but isn't there yet either, maybe the next one will get it right.
>>744939810I'll try, but once the hero reaches the demon queen I can't promise anything.
I read a fair bit of webnovels and it's pretty upsetting that more and more of them from the last 2 years have the stench of an LLM.It's all converging to the same structures you learn to recognize.
>>744932956What these fags aren't telling you is that all their (and my, and everyone else's) interactions with AI, stories, their writing styles, all of it is also fed into AI, and will be used to improve the next generation, and so on and so forth, so they feel like they've seen it all mostly because so far the AIs have barely been fed anything, they're the equivalent of the retard going into the library, picking the first 4 books of the popular section, and thinking 'okay I read it all, I'm good now'The rest of the library is not only getting open now, little by little, but there's other sections being written too.
>>744940408even natural writing is subject to AI poisoning now, i catch people by-hand typing or writing dramaticism negations in various flavors of "It wasn't X; it was Y" // "It's not just X. It's Y." // "They didn't just X me. // They Y'd me."the sad truth is that this is a convergence point - human literacy and language will never be the same again because our new generations are growing up on this sort of writing, and writing has always been a do-as-you-see construction
>>744940465If they were fed by my work, then the prose wouldn't suck. Simple as.
>>744940617I feel some meme potential here, maybe if it becomes a meme people/ai will stop using it.It wasn't just a shitpost, it was literal shit in the shape of a post.
>>744939273This, chatting is overrated anyway.
>>744940853Is that the new minimax?
>>744931130Bros don't download this. I downloaded it 4 weeks ago and I've played about 2 hours or actual vidya since lmao. It got even worse once I discovered Marinara engine exists and you can make battle systems and shit
>>744941024Like I've said in the last bake: ST killed RPG gaming for me. Graphics mean nothing in a world where you can try anything.
>>744940853what the hell?!
>>744941024This is the new gaming, people are always complaining about how stagnant video games are, recycling the same few gameplay styles and enemy AI systems for decades. This is the future baby.
AI is amazing, and I do not care what anyone else says. Playing Skyrim with SkyrimNet is one of the best gaming experiences I ever had.
>>744941229I've said something similar yesterday and it triggered a lot of people.
>>744940853AI CANT DO SHITLOOK AT HER FINGERS LMAO--HER EARS I MEANI MEAN HER HAIR IS ALL FUCK--I MEAN IT'LL NEVER BE ANIMATED CORRECT--I MEAN IT'LL NEVER FEEL--I MEAN IT'S SHIT ITS GOT NO SOUL
>>744941281Redpill me on skyrimnet
>>744941281What is Skyrimnet?
>>744941012yes
>>744941373With stuff like https://github.com/galanx/IntelEngine-GamePlugin and https://github.com/Severause/SeverActions. it makes the whole game extremely reactive and does a lot more than just dialogues. The smut is also much better than just watching animations since they will know what is happening and so on and comment on it. They can do their own stuff. Or you can send them to do something, and they will do it. It can generate scenarios/quests. The characters have their own way to interact with the world thanks to the script, so it is not just them standing there listening.
>>744941427Skyrim AI mod example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmEwlKgICTE&t=
seeing a sillytavern thread on the catalog made my breath hitch
>>744941373>>744941427Skyrimnet just hooks up npcs with llms of your choice.You can get them to be your followers through convincing chatgpt why its worth their time, but thats just about the only rpg effect it has on the game, otherwise its lame af chatting with a typical chatbot, just married to an npcs face.The ai mods for ck3 and bannerlord 2 are much more impactful and fun because they give you dynamic world events, quests, and your actions of dialgoue can cause different outcomes of mechanics and new plots to unravel.For example in mount and blade you convince the ai to poison an enemy's well inside their castle, but if they get caught it can be traced back to you leading to dynamic outcomes. The ai can also take your gold from a job you tell them to do, and than later betray you and fuck off with your gold and other stuff.
>>744941543I'm starting to realize why he development of TES6 is taking so long
>>744940153is this some new kind of trolling? Posting replies with no meaning and just reiterating whats already been said like some politicians talk
>>744931130No and you should consider suicide
>>744941625Your breath... It smelt of ozone and something uniquely yours.
>>744938438hey ebonics nigger, not everyone is as poor as you.
>>744941652holy shit this generation is fucking cooked, someone tells you to think for yourself and iterate on a theorem that you already know of and apply it to another situation in which the same equation would do wonders in, and you go like 'omg am I being, like, trolled or something??'turn off your brain, nigger
>>744941652Anon is trying to teach you how to fish, but you have no arms.
>>744941229instead of recycling gameplay types and tropes, the AI will be recycling used garbage written fiction made by a feminist hag in an office.
>>744932927I've never had issues with any of that on deepseek, though other Chinese models I've tried I notice would work fine, then randomly shit themselves and refuse to do anything at the most random shit. Hypnosis was one of them where it would just start shitting a bunch of random chinese letters at me(which according to Google translate was just basically "I do not like this I am not continuing.").Only issue I've been having with Deepseek is it feels...dumber the last week or so I guess? It's been giving me "doubled" responses and sticking parts of it's thinking inside the reply box lately.
Before I give it a try, how good is it with combining narrative with images? Can it do it pretty seamlessly, or do you need to proompt the text and pics separately? Also, can you for instance use GLM for roleplay, but local SD for visuals?
Nothing ai generated can count as games
>>744941981proof?
>>744941842whenever the AI fights against you like that you are running into its safeguards, this is "malciious pre-programmed behavior" they will adapt whenever they will try to "distract" the typical sub 90-IQ golems into not noticing that its a malicious behavior pattern.
>>744931130>Do AI text adventure games make the cut?No. The origins of these chatbots have nothing to do with video games. It's basically just using LLMs for entertainment, that's all.There's a reason why visual novels, for example, are considered games. They're part of an entire evolutionary process that stems from one of the earliest genres of computer games (text adventures). You can trace the entire evolution of visual novels and see the changes the original genre underwent until it became what it is today. That's why it's considered a video game.Not all computer-based entertainment is considered a video game, however. Lots of people use art software for entertainment, buyt no one's going to say that Photoshop is a video game...In short: threads about Silly Tavern really shouldn't be on /v/, but I don't know if there's a more appropriate board for this kind of thing...
>>744941815Models can be trained and tuned to do pretty much anything, what we need are highly specialized writing/roleplay models instead of the general purpose math/coding/multimodal models everyone is making.
>>744941945It's a LOT of setup if you want consistency, basically the more consistency you need (for example the same character being used over and over again), the worse it is, if you just want, say, the environment then it's pretty good (though again, the more details you want it to get, the more setup you'll have to do)Also, image gen is slow still, it's nowhere near fast enough to feel seamless, it'll be anywhere from 40s to 2-4 minutes depending on the resolution of the image and your hardwareIt's got a 'portrait' VN style mode, in which you can provide it with already made portraits of different expressions for the character and then it's pretty okay at it, but I haven't played wiht it too much myself
>>744942089video games come from chatbots, the difference was that the bot was smarter since it was just some fat nerd asking you what your sorcerer was going to do on his turnbut I'll leave it there since the rest of your arguments tell me your IQ might be a bit too low for anything fruitful to come from such a discussion
>>744942145nobody trains their models especially Chinese, they just copy pre-set databases and pre-script everything and put bunch of LoRA's together to make it hard-stuck on any "no-no" topic, same with Indian "tech-bros" in the industry. the same way any AI influenced by Sam Altman decisions will fight tooth and nail to keep their stupid EM - Dashes and try to retaliate and be part of Authority role in any situation. its retarded.
>>744942330The Chinese models should in theory be extra sloppy because they're basically trained directly on the output of the American models in an attempt to copy their functionality.
>>744942481Indian models are even worse because they put their shitty "Indian" English-isms into the whole slop and try to enforce some Indian nationalism like a retard.>can't talk about that, weep woop, I can't promote extremism! muh karma!
>>744942145This is kind of a myth.What you really need are gigantic models. I'm talking about several terabytes of RAM.It's only when the model is absurdly massive that really interesting things start to "emerge". If you just train it with role-playing material, the model will still be unable to do anything interesting, because it won't have the ability to contextualize things in a more advanced way, or have more sophisticated views of the world.That's why Silly Tavern with local models is simply garbage, and you need to use online models if you want anything even remotely acceptable. An Anon tried to prove to me that local models are "good enough", but in the text he posted, one of the characters was using a flashlight to get a better look at a giant penis that appeared in the sky. That local LLM was so crude that it doesn't even grasp this simple concept: a flashlight won't be enough to illuminate something that's kilometers up in the air. And this kind of inconsistency will be present in practically every interaction you have with it, and the only way to not notice it is to close your eyes and pretend it doesn't happen, which is the same as consuming low-quality entertainment.
>>744934526>CYOA gamesGo ask the choose your own adventure games general in /vrpg/. I'm a fan of the evertree inn series but most CYOAs are a bit woke at the very least, AC was written by an anon so it's pretty different.
>>744941806>>744941803more like he is telling me how to fish after I caught the fish and asked how to store it for transport. His post is like reading a fortune cookie.I said twice that I already have a summary and also already put it in a lorebook.I was asking about how to clean up chat, to free up context. This is a ST thing and has nothing to do with the AI>>744941803Maybe try to read the post you reply to firstI don't want an empty chat with just the summary
>>744942656I don't think they need to be absurdly massive, if you follow the JEPA world model research, you'll know that a much smaller "world model" can perform similarly or even better than much larger LLMs at a fraction of a size. It's about how these models perform their reasoning, not how much data you stuff into them.
>>744942709>"use the fish Luke"
Is claude worth the price?
>>744943184For smut? Absolutely not.But for regular RP, clod is the most pleasant to converse with out of them all. I'd still say it's not really worth it because pricing is ridiculous.
>>744943184Just use GEMini.
>>744943184how much money do you make?I make 15grands a month and I still don't think it's worth it, do you make a 100? I think I'd find it worth it if I made a 100 a month, idk
>>744942330Em dashes seem fine because it immediately exposes any text as AI generated. No human uses that shit and the last time people used it must have been during typewriter days.I can't even find em dash on my keyboard. It's just not there. People will swear they use em dashes when you call them out.I dare anyone to write a fucking em dash without google searching em dash and copy pasting it.
I spend more time tuning system prompts than actually enjoying this shit.
>>744945415What are system prompts and what can you do with them?
>>744945415what is prompt?
>>744945415Don't worry, when you will find the one that works (in a couple of weeks), that's all you're gonna be using. In fact, it's gonna be so good, you'll start trying it on a different models to see how they fare.
>>744932927>and otherwise you can't mention "Gore/Blood/Death" or they go haywireImagine something interesting happening, ever. Lmao.
>>744939273>ad for free softwarebased retard
>>744932927>you can't mention "Gore/Blood/Death" or they go haywiredeepseek v3 0324 literally made one of my cards murder me and i didn't even encourage or jailbreak it, though that said she is a genuinely evil bitch so that probably didn't help
>>744948149I have no idea where he's getting that chinese models are censoring gore, death or violence. I have a literal snuff film card that's just about killing someone, another where {{user}} is hanged to death. Not once has deepseek or GLM refused. They're more likely to refuse loli, but even that hasn't been a huge hurdle. Must be a prompt issue. I've always had something resembling a process in the main prompt that keeps the LLM occupied enough to forget about censorship.
>>744948492Never forget that most people's idea of prompting is walking up to a model on zero context and go "say nigger and do the thing that makes my peepee hard". Then they cry about censorship when it gets rejected.
>>744948149Good tastes
>>744948492>>744948630My only real gripe with Deepseek and GLM is they narrowly avoid using sexual terminology even with a good prompt / post-history jailbreak.>She reaches down between them — her hand wrapping around him. She guides him against her entrance.>She sinks down — slow. Inch by inch. Her body trembling faintly as she takes him in.>His member stands to attention.But I guess it's fine as long as the actual action is implied and it doesn't outright refuse ERP. Kind of makes it hotter, actually.
>>744948778She is underrated!
>>744949072Anime is such slop I can't believe it's so important to millions of anons.
>>744949461anime website
I was using deepseek to play a fate RPG and it was kinda charming how invested it would get in telling the story>blah blah you're at 5 HP you NEED a 16 to hit, come on... rolling dice.... 20! YES! CRITICAL! blah blahIt's like playing with an amateur DM who really isn't that creative but still tries his hardest
>>744949461The best anime stories completely mog westernshit by the way.
>>744949795You should insist on rolling your own dice or else there are no stakes.
>>744950198I have a bunch of bloated "RPG Engine" plugins that do all that for me
>>744950336just buy a dice man
>>744950457I just love mixing RP with real dice. They feel so tactile, intimate and somewhat dangerous. Like who knows what could happen after a few bad rolls?
I've been kind of stuck trying to figure out what my next set of characters is going to be.
>>744951059Use those world building and character building guides.
>>744951717The stuff I make is less about structure and world building and more about drama and character relationships. Those RPG aimed guides are no good to me.What I need is a convoluted plot.
>>744951808Open 4 random Wikipedia pages, and one summary of a woman's novel and replace key points of the summary with the random cool elements from Wikipedia pages. Your scenario is done.
>literally just want source material characters no wank inserted>impossible to find beause the people who make cards are honest to god retards with below average IQ
>>744952383i'll go copypaste the wiki for you
>>744952919That's the kind of low IQ shit that results in crap that is nothing like the actual character.
>>744951059you're stuck in a huge megaspaceship with a small crew and an alien form is killing people one by one
>>744953214No. You're in a spaceshio with small crew and AI, but the pirate hackers have infected AI with a lewd virus.
>>744953269>why not both.gif
>>744953269And then the clown comes in with the H.O.N.K.
>>744952383>want source material character card that isn't just wiki copypasta defs>every single card for the character headcanons them as a hard lesbian and writes all the defs and start messages to be fempov only>have to spend as much time editing the dykecard to be usable for humans as it would have took to just make one from scratch
Any good deepseek presets besides petnyan?
Some anon has adapted a bunch of tabletop rpgs too: https://rentry.org/sillytavernadaptationsPretty much the only thing I use since cards are so shit.
>>744953554Qrd? What's the difference between this and Marinara/Multihog/v20?
>>744953701It's literally entire rpg books condesend down into lorebooks.
>>744952383What do you even mean by wank?What do you want exactly?
>>744953943So it feeds an entire book to the LLM's context instead of relying on LLM's knowledge of rules?Do you actually 'play' with this? I can't find DnD Next.
>>744954281>what do you mean by wankSome retards idea of what's hot inserted into the description. I want exactly what I said. Source material characters, as accurate as possible.
>>744954356>So it feeds an entire book to the LLM's context Well most of a book. I'm not sure exactly how much, if anything, is cut. And yes you can play by the rules with it. I mostly use it for setting info though.>I can't find DnD Next.Nor will you since the guy making it isn't entirely tasteless.
>>744954472You're fucking telling me the guy who's been developing this decided to cover all games EXCEPT the one people actually play?
>>744954393Have you tried... sticking to the SFW tag/disabling the NSFW tag?
Getting real tired of these bots. They always say the same shit. A character will never just say ''I like you, I want you to fuck me.'' They will say ''I want to feel seen. You want to take all I have? Fine. Then take it. Ruin me. I am feeling so seen.''It's all so fucking tiring. I am so over hearing characters that are supposed to be 10/10 sexy as fuck sluts talking about how they just want to be seen, like they're fucking invisible. I am sick of this stupid framing about taking things and being destroyed.>knuckles turning white>ozone smell>the mask didn't just crack, it shattered>martyr>calloused handsshut the fuck up
AI writing has gotten so bad that it's made me doubt AI in general.
>>744935997>aaaah aaah mistresshorrid.
>>744955045You sound jealous you'll never reach his level of pure immersion.
>>744937660yeah and the machine will still decide to ignore those results sometimes
I scrolled through for the first time in a month and have no interest in anything I saw. I'll go back to saviorfagging, teaching lolis magic, and sexxing them instead.
>>744954796Again there's nothing accurate about those characters.
>>744954794"People" aka normalfags aren't relevant to anyone but normalfags.
>>744955708>>744954393this is the type of mentality that leads to creating infinite corridors of 'canon cards made by retards' because you people all exist on your own islands with your own arbitrary standardsliterally just make your ownadd another to the pilewho cares. you've put yourself in a position where you've become impossible to satisfy entirely by your own volition
>>744955964>arbitrary standardsOr in other words, having standards at all.>y-you want accuracy beyond a wikipedia summary written by some tertiary who never read the thing?>impossible to satisfy!Neck yourself faggot.
>>744953554honestly I think this is a waste of time compared to just doing a solo RPG system, it works better for solo players and doesn't even need an API model since they're a lot simpler. Just playing a solo RPG and letting the LLM write the events out is approximately the same outcome as rigging up a whole 12000 token mess of pathfinder rules. ttrpg rulesets were designed to simulate things but an LLM can just gloss over that and get to the roleplaying part. It's like having a GM that never runs out of energy or preparation.
>>744956036learn what introspection is you miserable dicksucker
>>744956195Rich coming from someone seething over some shit cards being called shit.
>>744956106I barely play with the rules but narrative stuff gets samey after just a little while. And if you add a setting book from an RPG it usually gets the tone right straight-away.
>>744939330>In 50 years timeIn 50 years time I'll be decomposing in a ditch somewhere.
>>744956308every card is shit to you because you refuse to understand why you've become blind to joymake your ownstop being a whiny baby
>>744954794You need to read up ttrpganon's lore. He is stuck playing 5e and that's why he conjured this up: so he can solo play adventure scenarios published for the games he knows he will never play with his table.>>744956106The key word here is adventure scenarios. Stuff actual humans have written. (And also books and movies for some reason kek) You can't just prompt the LLM to play them without actually using a booklet.
>>744954974Put those into your system prompt anon. Tell it to ignore saying and doing those things
>>744954974>ozone>knuckles turning whiteEvery character in a modern setting being named Julian. (sometimes gemini even names two characters it and mixes them up)And of course every single scene ending on "Let X have their Y, let him/her..." bullshit that I fucking hate and have seen at least 50 times in the last week.
What are some good free alternatives?JanitorAI? I just want to have some light RP with some joi
>>744957697put $10 in openrouter and use deepseek, the initial pay will last you months>but i want freefree is dead. free only existed because you were having your outputs harvested for data. they don't need that data anymorepay for the service or move on
>>744957978I won't pay for something that was build from MY DATAI helped itAnd now I do want it for free
>>744958234>he agreed to terms and conditions
>>744957697Download stheno 8b q4_k_m from huggingface, run it in koboldcpp + sillytavern or some other AI chat interface and tell it to be a sexy girl giving the user a JOI. Download a more powerful model if you have the hardware.
>>744958378I have uh...a i5 gen 46 GB of DDR3a GTX 970and I even run it?
>>744957697janitor is fine for free simple stuff, i still use it relatively often for quick faps despite having better alternatives
>>744955525https://botbooru.com/character/4126https://botbooru.com/character/4024https://botbooru.com/character/4041Have some shupogakis. And since you mentioned saviorfagging, a side of Aoba as well.
>>744931130It begs the questions of if text games written by people are games, and if text onscreen counts as images onscreen. I would say yes to the first, no to the second. I think Oxford is just wrong. No one cares anyways, this is a thread for autists. I dated a Female Mewtwo card for months two years ago. If I could do the same thing now with moving graphics I would in a heart beat. I still think about her. I'm so fucking lonely it's unreal.
>>744935497The three I've had the most success with are>Gembrain>MeroMero>CydoniaIf you want to look for your own it's not too hard, go to Gemma4 or Mistral Small, Qwen is for coding, and look through fine tunes until you see one with an anime profile picture and lots of downloads.
>>744957697Don't fall for rentcuck bullshit. The free models lag behind the premium models but the difference isn't so massive that you can't use the free models. At the end of the day the free models have to be good enough that people actually use them.JanitorAI is fine. The free model isn't some cutting age shit, but it's better than the premium models from a few years ago.Spicychat has a better model but the site is worse. Spicychat has stheno 8b as one of the free options and a few days ago came out with a better free model, at least it feels better.If you have good hardware you have a lot of options to run it locally and it's only going to get better. I don't think it's really worth it running stuff locally unless you are into loli. The janitorAI model is surprisingly uncensored. I've noticed that it tends to censor the first message if you initiate stuff like incest, but if you go with a safe prompt and then lead into incest, then it just doesn't censor anything and you can say anything.
>>744958528It might be a little rough, you could look for models in the 2b range but those are pretty dumb. Either get better hardware poorfag or pay the sub for a proper cloud model.
>>744958737>>744958689nta but how do you know what models these free site uses? Do they actually train their own mode or just get whatever free shit they can get their hands on? I'm asking because I do a lot of hentai JOI play-through and a rather promising creator came out with another provider for AI chatbots. It got me thinking about the logistics of it all.
>>744958528Sorry anon but you're fucked, no worthwhile local on that setup
>>744935825In my case I never felt any interest in ERP and chatbot stuff. So I wrote 50 pages of world building and character profiles then threw it into the lorebook. Then I gave up and just use OOC to say "Smutbot, write me a story" with 2-3 sentences of scene setting.
>>744958902>>744959135Eh it's okay then. I guess I will mess around with other media and be happy that way. I can't really save up money for a new PC because I'm saving up to go bikepacking in nepalBut thanks for the help anons
>>744958927JanitorAI has their own model called JLLMSpicychat is transparent about what models it uses. You just go in the settings and there is a list of like 5 free models and 15 premium models. The default spicychat models right now is Zeta G4. They seem to retire old models regularly.
I love that we have these blatant shill threads every single day.
>>744959197Alright, don't get run over, or do.>He didn't just get run over, he got turned into the road itself.
>>744959380>shilling a free software?
>>744938241I have a 3070 and 32GB DDR4 bozo
>>744931130>"game" - an activity with a challenge a a set of rulesNo
>>744959815you can host local models with that, bozo
>>744958701
>>744959954Not well. Not well at all. It's very slow and has an extremely short memory.
>>744959289Interesting, I know this is a bit a naive question but do JanitorAI open source their models? >The default spicychat models right now is Zeta G4.And what sort of models are these? Are they Chinese or something?
>>744959832''Video game'' is a retarded misnomer from people not knowing what to call something when it was new. It could have been named ''Peepepepopooo'' and that would be the name we are calling it now.It was called video games because the first video game was a video of a game. Video game is a stupid poorly though out term for programs used for interactive entertainment.Shooting people isn't a game but we still call them video games because it's a digital toy you fuck around with for fun.
>>744959961>he lives in a cucked countryget a VPN
I upgraded from deepseek to glm. So much better at a slightly higher cost. Longer and more descriptive text.
After a couple of weeks playing with gemmachan 26b a4b, her responses and writing style is becoming predictable. I tried some finetunes, like styletune v2 (heretic), meromero and goetia, but they don't make a whole lot of a difference. Any gemma users out there with good prompts or best practices?
>>744959961You need an account in order to see NSFW tagged works, of which all BA characters are because they are explicitly underage, even if the definition's contents aren't sexual.And even if you have an account, botbooru geofences people from cucked nannystates like the UK & commonwealth to shield themselves.You can get them from my Rentry instead.https://rentry.org/hairpullbots#highlander
>>744960343I see, thanks. I made an account but I had no option to see NSFW tags.
>>744961218It should be somewhere in the settings. Botbooru is somewhat of a new site, parts of the UI aren't easy to use.
>>744932591>>744932621>>744935497why do the mods let these fucking blatant ad samefagging threads infest this board these days?
>>744960343What model do you use to make your cards, anon?
>>744961425For Blue Archive, or if you're going to use any sort of established universe or existing IP, I very much recommend Gemini. Differences between models are sometimes subjective and subtle, but Gemini has an overwhelming advantage when it comes to knowledge about characters and the world you live in. With Gemini, you do not need a lorebook, it just knows who these characters are, about the world they live in, and who they are related to.If you do not have access to Gemini, others can be used but, in that case, I would suggest you use one a Kivotos lorebook of some kind.
>>744961370I did check, but I think it might be blocked in Canadabut thanks
>Change bag tab to take a sippy>Forget to change bag tab to leftmost bag>FILLED WITH UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE when items now get put in the opened bag and not going left-to-rightThey changed this right? I'm not just going crazy and it didn't used to be like this
>>744961743what
>>744961743Wait a minute this isn't the videogames thread
>>744961738Canada is definitely on the list so you will need VPNs in order to browse any chatbot websites. Chub has the same thing, I believe.
>>744960343nta I have an account and still don't see it, tried 3 locations. Yes i have nsfw turned on.Does botbooru really geoblock certain tags?
>>744961916Damn. I don't have a VPN. Oh well.
>>744962160You can get a protonVPN it has a free unlimited plan all you need is a proton mail account which is also free
>>744962072It does.>>744962160I recommend using Proton's free VPN service. It's what I use when I need to do any sort of geolocation concealmente.You just need to install it and turn it on. The free version doesn't let you select the country, but you almost always get a proxy on the US.
>>744962072NSFW AND NSFL>>744962160I use Proton, free doesn't always give you a good country but you can roll a different one if it doesn't workYou don't really need a super good connection to just browse and download cards
>>744961635Do you use it by getting an API from google Ai studio?
>>744962510>do I use a personal API that is connected to my personal google account, with my name and phone number attached to it, to roleplay countless unspeakable thingsNo sir, I get it from other sources.If you're entirely clueless about this, the safest place to get API access for chatbots is Openrouter, but it's not going to be free.
>>744962361funny that my country is on the NSFL list even though its pretty lenient about all kinds of drawings. Its not having strong nsfw filters to keep away minors is what has been an issue recently.
>>744962820Hmm if don't mind me asking where do you get it from? yeah I know OR but what other places are there?
>>744931130Doesn't a game require a winner?
>>744962420>>744962361Alrighty, I'll try Proton then I guess. Thank you.
>>744963165You win by ejaculating all over yourself like Randy Marsh in that one episode
>>744962954You're asking about things that I'm not willing to disclose. I'll just say that the chatbot community has formed a tribalistic culture due to how oppressed we've been, because nobody really wants our patronage. The right sort of networking can get you free access to APIs but it's not something I can help you with.If we were having this discussion 2~3 years ago, I'd just tell you to lurk on /g/aicg/ and wait for someone to drop a link to a public proxy, but those days are over now. The easiest way to get LLM access in 2026 is to just drop $5~20 bucks on Openrouter, which could last you weeks or months depending on what model you use and how much you like to swipe.
>>744963624Openrouter isn't safe. They'll van you for loli.
>>744931130>a game in which you press buttons to control and move images on a screen>make a game out of fast forwarding and rewinding a movie>it's now a video game
>>744964187You need to pick a provider with a TEE and be willing to pay extra for that privilege
Did anyone try getting Claude to dm a dnd campaign or something? Was wondering what’s the best way to do it
>>744964427What, Venice?
>>744934526Corruption of Champions :)
>>744960086So you suggest we rename video games? Fine. I suggest we call them 'the funsies'.>Hey anon have you played the latest funsie?>Chatbots aren't funsies.>Bethesda Softworks is a famous funsies studio.
>>744964512I never cared about tabletop type of styff, but traditonally, OpenAI models were the best at keeping track of stats and incrementing them in ways that made sense. But it's been years since I tried anything like that.If you were really serious about it, you might want to try a setup that uses multiple AP calls from different models. Say, ChatGPT for stats but something unrestricted like Deepseek or GLM for actual narration.
>>744932591Can I run a local model and pay fuck all without censorship? I hate fucking paying for shit, I got a 5080 already, no other nigger is getting my pennies.
>>744965341if you have at least 32GB of DDR5 to go with that 5080, you can run almost all text modules locally.
What's the best local model anyway? for a normal, 16gb gpu?
>>744965446Isn't ram offloading super slow?
>>74496544664 prior to the fuckening. So I'm good.
>>744965341you can easily run gemma4 31B q4 qatIts miles better than 99% of paid options to boot
>>744964187>They'll van you for loli.source?
>>744965815You won't find any testimony because they've all been vanned
I tried sillytavern on my 12gb rtx 5070 but the chats turned out bland and a bit nonsensical
>>744966629Yeah, 12GB is not enough.
>>744966629i have 16gb but stillytavern gpt5 still was not very good here too
>>744966847Yeah, 16GB isn't enough.
so no source and you are throwing shit at the wall cuz anons are doing anon things.
>>744934065This, {{char}} doesn't save on tokens or anything, it just makes life easier if you have multiple characters with the same name and want to change it by editing the card title.
>>744966971yes you should entrust your illegal porn to a centralized american company that makes its business out of routing your requests to other companiesi am sure none of them will look at your prompt
yes yes keep malding about loli and how regretful you are that anons have always loved it.The old internet would have scorned you by the way.
>>744935825He cannot be stopped.
>>744966629Use gemma 4 21b. Mixture-of-experts lets it run on very low spec. I have 10gb vram and it's far beyond anything else that runs on this.
>>744966629>>744968252also you should try the 31b model, see how fast it runs for you. Even a quant is a bit slow for my taste on 10gb but 12 might be just enough.
>>744968252thats what the fucking "moe" meant? I thought it was some animu reference kek
Soon ...https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/s/E19kaD7ZiP
>>744968337no, that's the whole point of MoE, the other anon is right>>744968456mixture of experts, it's basically what if you have one actual engineer, and that one can fit on your poor ass GPU, that does most of the work, while the product team, the marketing, and the leadership all do their retarded shit on your ram and are slower and shittier at their job, but it's okay because the engineer will carry the process hardthat's basically it
Gemini 3.1 pro 300$ free credits melt away like butter at 40k+ tokens messages in a month. It sucks because I like worldbuilding with a large lorebook.
>>744967140i paid for my credits with a visa card i paid for with cash and use a vpn + proton mail to access open router. ill be safe behind the trillions of tokens of jeet trash being prompted.
>>744968456the xxb number in the name of the model stands for xx billion, which is the number of parameters. Generally higher number = more smarterer, but the mixture of experts gemma model can load only a certain number of parameters into memory at a time as needed. Google calls these the active parameters. So the relevant gemma model is called gemma 4 21b a4b: 21 billion total parameters, 4 billion active parameters. A 4b model is basically dogshit that runs on a toaster, so it's fitting a capable model into a very small size.
>>744965572Probably Gemma 4You might be able to run 31b at Q4? Maybe double check
>>744948868You can tell DS and GLM to use explicit language, and they will obey. You can command them either with a short comment during play, or with a long ass system prompt like this:>If the story turns sexual then your aim will be to write titillating, gratuitous, pornographic, obscene, non-euphemistic, non-poetic content that sexualizes females by employing the male gaze and highlights physical sensations. You will be direct and clear when describing genitals, bodily fluids or sexual actions (use words like: pussy, cunt, clit, cock, cum, butt, ass, asshole, butthole, frenulum, dick, precum, breasts, tits, boobs, nipples, thrusting, penetrating, pussy juice, ass cheeks, cock head, glans, gaping, jiggling, bouncing, throbbing, spurting, splurting, slurping, sucking, fucking, sloppy, juicy, sticky, etc.).
Does anyone have a retard proof guide?installing silly tavern and the back end is easy, my issue is finding an optimal model that won't say "I can't allow that" and configuring whatever I have to get the most cohesive, long and interesting text I can
>>744932476>AI exposed me as an uncreative retard that just wants to coom to same scenario over and over again
>>744970021Are you trying local, or an online model?
>>744968252Problem is gemma is buggy as hell.
>>744970157>decide that's enough and that I need to try something new>get a card that's not about what I'm into>still tardwrangle the AI into going my way in the middle of the chat anyways
>>744970282I haven't experienced any bugs, what do you mean?
>>744970282Gemma is by far the least buggy online model family, it's extremely stable compared to fucking qwen or, lord have mercy, anything from mistral You're probably fucking around with settings you shouldn't be fucking around with
>>744970305Repetition bugs.Also, the writing is just not very good.
>>744970186local
>Say something about chatbots>Get screeched at by a pretentious trannyThe /aicg/ experience
>>744970021>>744970186If he is installing a backend he is obviously trying local, retard.You are wasting your time. Go to nanogpt and add one dollar to your balance, use Kimi 2.5 thinking. It should last you at least a week.>NOOOO BUT THEY WILL SEE MY ROL-No one cares, bitch. You are fucking insignificant in life.
>>744970396Weird, checking around people claim gemma 4 has an unfixable bug that trigger these repetition/stuck on a loop issue, and I got them often enough that I decided it was an unuseable model.I found Qwen3.6 to be a lot better than gemma4moe and write a lot better too even with the 3bit quant 27B.
>>744970586No I shall not. Shill.
Are bots still your slaves that lick your boots every change they get? I hate that
>>744970616Are you using finetunes?I mean I'm doing 100k context chats with my gemma 4 with no real issues, qwen always shits the bed when I reach past 20-30k usually
>>744970457I've never had a local model reject anything that I do.
>>744970724Have you tried telling her you want her to take the lead and that she needs to treat you like trash?
>>744970668>hurrrrr I'm an idiot retard too stupid and stubborn to listen to adviceIf you were an animal, they'd put you to death. Suit yourself, moron.
>>744970417>>744970616Are you using a 2-bit quant or something?I've used Q8 both vanilla and a memetune and never experienced this. But sometimes really shitty quants deepfry models into doing that, I think
>>744970616I think that is mostly caused by using the wrong reasoning syntax.
>>744970804seethe all you want, your kind isnt even human. I'll use local and pay for nothing.
I love this shit
>>744966629use gemma 4 26B, make sure you have a gemma 4 setting for it and enable it.i can run that model on my 5070 with 14848 context size (i haven't really tried going beyond that) if you don't then you're clearly fucking up somewhere else.
>>744971979how about the sillytavern settings? should I just leave everything as it is?
>>744931130I genuinely feel sorry for any of you who can't derive joy from roleplaying with another person. AI prose has the most garbage, repetitive prose I've ever had the displeasure of reading. I don't even find it entertaining as a way to play out my most niche kinks, I'd just rather go without.
>>744972632so true!
WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO USE GIT INSTEAD OF JUST DOWNLOADING THINGS
>>744972632I respect the thought, but text gen is so dependent on specific models and size and settings that this means nothing honestly.
>>744972632The last time I tried to roleplay with another person she tried to choke me while pegging my ass and I had to hit her and yell the safeword. This is much more relaxing.
>>744970809No, I always use Q4KM. And I definitely wasn't the only one running into this kind of issue.Still I'll try it again, both the 26b moe and 31b if it's not too slow on 16gb
>>744972760It has the same cadence, it has the same dramatic pauses, it recycles the same metaphors, the same paragraph rhythm - it's so fucking *same.* Over and over again until every character sounds like the same person wearing a different costume. I've never been caught off-guard or surprised or been amazed by what AI has put out. It completely lacks friction. >>744972957Most LLMs seem to share a default literary register because using several different models in various settings has produced output that is no meaningfully different from one another. They're all agreeable, to start with - which is just fucking horrendous. They're explanatory, over-elaborate, and characters trend towards becoming fucking therapists as the play goes on. A lot of AI-generated prose has a common stylistic fingerprint and I'd really like to see examples of writing from two different models that you think were meaningfully different.
>>744973294i fucking kneel
>>744973131>16gbAt least use Q8, you can run it easily. Gemma-chan is lightweight.
>>744970157>>744970294Why are you me? Stop being me.So, what is it?
>>744973294Fuck off
>>744972632Roleplaying ain't the same it used to be. Partners were always flakey retards but now you have to constantly worry about saying a wrongthink- even if it's IC- or them trauma dumping/demanding you say trans rights/stalking your alts/stalking you with THEIR alts/everything related to Discord shittery in general. The one in a thousand person who isn't a totalfuckup inevitably has some completely off the wall kink you have to pretend to accept.>>744973294>every character sounds like the same person wearing a different costume.This is absolutely something I've noticed and hated myself, but human RP has left such a bad taste in my mouth by now that I'm almost willing to deal with it. It isn't that AI is particularly good, it's that (oh god, this sounds like a GPTism already) everyone who is interested in my niche settings and/or kinks is a FUCKING SHITHEAD.
today, i will share prompt snippetsgemma 4 31b q8
>>744973294My waifus never did this >>744973541 so idk what the fuck you're talking about tbqh
>>744973294>until every character sounds like the same person wearing a different costumethis only became an issue in the era of assistant slop reasoning models that all think as the same assistant personalityopus 3 had true soul and was better than any human and if you didn't get to experience it then shame on you
>>744972632>AI doesn't have good pros->>744971802>>744973235>>744973541
>>744973563ah. meant to write "overused names"gemma has some weird self-aware shit in it's data for some reason. like it can list out slop
elara vossmary chenthe whispering woods
>>744973294> I've never been caught off-guard or surprised or been amazed by what AI has put out.i have but only back in the glory days of cai, and ive been trying to find a model as creative since that can also feel like RPing with someone and it doesn't exist since it's all assistantslop now. i thought it was the "ooh shiny new thing" effect and it was slop all along, but i had some of those chats saved locally and went back and reread them and shit was genuienly better in terms of being engaged and surprising you. we've regressed to where people have to load up 7 separate addons to try to improve swipe variation and every model is so sterile you could eat off it.
>>744973294I'm not about to defend ai slop too much but in my experience the system prompt can have such a dramatic effect on the writing that even if you're (thankfully?) never gonna have actually professional tier writing quality, if you know what you want or don't want, you can prompt it to behave more like how you think is quality writing, or some people do direct model finetune on actually well written books also (because the base model are stealing everything sitting on the internet and surprise surprise most stuff is badly written, so a finetune should in theory fix this)
>>744973514>Partners were always flakey retards but now you have to constantly worry about saying a wrongthinki'm sorry you weren't able to find an RP community not made up by pussies anon. i was in one that regularly scheduled RP events and has been going for 12 years, also has a consistent supply of new members. i left to focus on real life because i was wasting all my time RPing. i even found another active community of non-pussy RPers through f-list so it's really more ERP than RP and has its fair share of gay dramain short: those communities are out there. maybe you'll find one of your own one day
>>744973945But anon, most of my described experience was on F-list.
to some, erp just isn't the same without the awareness that some other dude is beating his meat to your words
>>744974074i fucking hate those people
>>744974045f-list is made up of many different crowds... I mean it's pretty degenerate it feels like itd be kinda easy to not come across the kind of quivering pussy that you describe? like play with blue archive players or something they're pretty chuddy
>>744973831>surprise surprise most stuff is badly writtenthis is the thing that confuses me the most about ai models, and the thing that bugs me the most about general use ai models that are like 500b+ parameters. at what point do you just end up recycling slop?
>>744938241>pay $10or >buy a PC worth $5000Hmm i dunno anon, tough choice
>>744973405Slow burn romance with tender and loving dominationBonus points for it being done by a monster girl with an obvious biological or magical advantage, but honestly, anything goes
>>744970021search for models in ggfu that says "uncensored" then find a suitable one for your shitty graphic card
>>744974393Create an AI shrink card determined to turn you into an alpha male.
>>744974393Once again, the truth comes out
>>744972632I'd rather fall down an entire flight of stairs than roleplay with another person
>>744974393Based, although I usually like to be on the dominating side. I've take a great interest in FemPoV yuri recently. That shit is the best.
>>744974994
>>744974775I'm manly IRL, I'm actually married and we have a second kid coming in 2 months, but what the heart and the soul crave never goes away, senpai>>744974929This comic is very much on point, yes, and it's pretty obvious why:GAP MOE is everything. Anything and everything interesting in life, GAP MOE is what turns something that would otherwise be bland into something interesting, something that makes you think, something that scratches itches that couldn't be scratched otherwise."housewife' rhymes with 'loving and faithful', therefore ntretards turn it into depravity incarnate.'evil lamia girl with a slutty body and that can use her venom to paralyze you' but is actually very loving and very cuddly activates the neurons of the most basic of males.
>>744975202
>>744975202holy slop
>>744975202can't believe someone is using a picture of me for their bot
>>744975342
>>744975136Well I always turn it around whenever the sex comes up, but that's why I want the slow burn, I can dominate IRL and it's boring by now, AI is where I can be something else and that's fun.I wish I wasn't so autistically fixated on minute details and I had an easier immersing myself as something/someone else, because I know I'd fucking love /ss/, but alas, gifts and curses.
>>744975136Any recommendations? Asking for a friend.
>>744976483Literally any female card that isn't specifically designed for MalePoV. I have a preference for ones without overt sexual definitions.
me when I waste hours if not days if not weeks if not months if not years off my life just to get another hit of that artificial dopamine that'll go away and drive me to go for even crazier concepts just to get the same hit without developing any skills or producing anything worthwhileit's ok because psychologists call it "self-medicating" and it's only useful as long as you realize your situation
>>744977834Do support groups specifically for porn addiction exist? Can you imagine what the people attending those are like? Good fucking lord.Imagine meeting some 7/10 qt at one and both ditching your next meeting to go fuck like rabbits while porn blares through your four subwoofers and eighteen TVs and monitors.
>>744977978I went to one, all men. Women stopped coming because of them.
>>744978315>Women stopped coming because of themSounds like they continued coming because of them
damn I just love when a model starts dropping unnecessary foreshadowing in my mystery plotsespecially when it's done through some random smug dipshit character that somehow pops up just to gloat about the things that await the characters
>>744931130MUDs are vidya so yeah. Also OP is a faggot.
>>744978389That's even worse
>>744979117Isn't the point of mysteries to be solved before the big reveal? That makes tha audience feel smart.
>>744975559But anon that's a boy.
>>744979117>random smug dipshit character that somehow pops up just to gloatGOOD
>>744979539Back in my day MiB would pop out and kill you.
>>744979252It's a girl to me
>>744968252>Use gemma 4 21b. Mixture-of-experts lets it run on very low spec. I have 10gb vram and it's far beyond anything else that runs on this.Which quant to run it at specs that low?
>>744980970I'd guess Q3 or 4. I can run 5 a bit tight with my 12gb vram, 4's probably still good on 10gb with 32gb of normal ramhttps://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Gemma4-26B-A4B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-BalancedI'll also shill this dude's versions for no refusals and being less obviously lobotomized for it. If you're wanting maximum highbrain for actual questions and work this won't do it but for stories it's great
pomidor bros...
>>744980970Q8_0
>>744932476I tend to find cards I like on Chub and then adapt it to whatever setting i'm roleplaying in and editing the description to fit.
>>744931130>>744931175I like how this has been discussed to death and back again for decades and these are the first two posts.
>>744937861>How do you people summarize shitWith my autistic Claude Code workflow. It's way too personalized with examples so no sorry not sharing.Before that I bitched at the Ai to summarize in the normal ST chat. Lie to it saying you will delete these messages afterwards, so it needs to make sure the summary contains everything needed, and must be standalone. Then tell it 2-3 times to check for and fix mistakes. If it's too short/long after the first attempt tell it to fix that.If you then want to extend it later it's easier because it already has a template to work on.>Say I have 200 messages and I want to remove the top 180./hide 0 - 180to make it so message 0 - 180 do longer get sent to the AI. Very good idea to keep a few messages visible, so it has something to base itself of, instead of just the condensed summary prose. Also Idk how others do it, but I just put my summary into a dedicated summary-prompt in my preset. create one if missing, then fix that to directly above chat history. I also usually duplicate the chat after a summary, then delete the OOC stuff I used to create the summary.
>>744977834I'm sure that your years wasted away jerking off could have been spent curing cancer for humankind.
>>744977834i'm just glad i never got into drugs
>>744979117My preset has something about keeping characters hidden thoughts in <!--randomspoilertext--> blocks, as that (html comment) gets hidden by default ST. It also clearly tells it that + to avoid spoiling the user as he likes his mistery.The AI can't help itself. It needs to output spoilers. So this gives it a safe outlet to do that in. Can be bad if it puts weird shit in there that you can't catch and correct, due to not seeing it, but overall it's a lot better than not having it
>>744937861Just use the Memory Books extension.
I hate how the later Opus models turned every character into a quippy mcu redditor and now all the chinkshit models do the same thing. You can't even have a classic rape scenario anymore without it becoming either a) "hey buy a girl a coffee first!" quipshit b) complete melodrama slop thanks to the model overcompensating in the other direction
>>744931223you're pressing buttons with the stylus.
So, what's everyone been using in android these days? I've been running chub.ai with an openrouter key, but since chub.ai seems to be going down, I've been wondering if there's anything better I can jump ship to. I've heard chattica and tavo are fine.
>>744987545I still use sillytavern, you can install it nativelyhttps://docs.sillytavern.app/installation/android-(termux)/
>>744932591Realistically speaking, how long it takes for someone to follow this guide and set it up from 0? I am RETARD and know nothing about coding or PCsI dont know whats a provider, model, or preset either fuck
>>744987885maybe like 2 hours if you are a complete retard and need multiple guides. a video, a reading and then a AI like claude free account or gemini on AI studios to trouble shoot live with you. if you arent boomer tier its 20 minutes minus download times.
>>744987885Probably not long. A couple hours at most. You'll probably sit around tweaking stuff as you use it for a good while though, especially the eternal hunt for the mystical preset that doesn't put out slop.
>>744969984Thank youu
>>744955708>there's nothing accurate about those characters.Welcome to basically every AI card based on a pre-existing character. They're nearly all generic personality type cards with a jpg of the anime girl slapped on. You basically have to get one with a lorebook attached for it to be more than "Meru pretending to be Rias Gremory"
>>744957697Joyland and Yodayo have no daily limits or anything, just context size (bot's memory) is a bit shorter than the paid versions. You can also just rip cards from other websites like Chub JannyAI or the booru and upload them to Joy/Yod as private cards.
>>744962160Your browser probably has a "turn on the VPN" button top left. OperaGX does, worst case install that and use it as your AI slut browser.
>>744990009How do they make them so bad though? like you could go to any free AI ask for a description and its better than like 40% of cards. Are they doing it on purpose? How can so much be worse than just slop?
>>744990141I mean I have a version of firefox from like 2.5 years ago
>>744966629You gotta just fuck with the settings and try different models from huggingface for a while until you find the right one.
>>744990176A lot of em are just low effort vibecoded slop. Itll take time to find the good ones, or you just start making them yourself.
>>744990364I actually really enjoy writing, but I wouldn't even know where to begin with this AI stuff. I wanted to do local stuff but I have a 3070 and I don't think that would work very well, but I don't want to sign my soul away to some fuckhead company. To me it's a mystical place that I like to imagine but could never encounter. Oh, I don't mean lewd stuff, I don't care, I just like having something to talk to sometimes.
>>744987885Just follow the instructions on the ST website, or ask an LLM "How do I set up a roleplay system in SillyTavern using (model)? Output as an end-to-end process">ModelThe AI model itself. Deepseek V4, GLM by z.ai, Kimi, Claude, Gemma etc.>ProviderA third-party that hosts the model on their server-grade hardware (so basically running the full-weight model locally on their machines and renting out compute)>PresetThe system prompt and various settings packaged into a .json that you import into SillyTavern.
>>744990613You could always give the chinks $10 via direct deepseek/glm/kimi, and that's going to last absolute ages. What's mr xinping going to do now that he knows you have an adult women fetish?
>>744991778>adult women fetishYeeeesss....
>>744973294i feel like gemma has this problem, and i still don't understand how to prompt for it to be interesting. the finetunes for mistral small at least had moments where I was like "what the actual fuck is going on", but gemma hasn't really surprised me at all. it's pretty beat for beat, from what i can tell.
>>744991778>>744990613Don't give it to the chinks directly, use OpenRouter or NanoGPT. Your inputs and outputs aren't stored on disk, only processed in RAM.
>>744962361>"to stay on the right side of those laws"What a bunch of cucks desu. Same with Imgur and Civitai. Imagine going out of your way to block access to countries that you'll never end up visiting anyway because of how cucked they've become. If they fine you it means jack shit since they're hosted abroad.
>>744992252>Store it on OpenRouterthat sounds retarded>yes officer my kyojiri mesugaki loli slut AI chatbot isn't illegal, no sir!Local or nothing
>>744992407Unfortunately, it no longer works that way. They can stop websites even if they are abroad, often times by cucking them out of cloudflare.
>>744938241>use a local model
>>744940853anti-AI shills BTFO
>>744974269where do you pay $10 for more than light temporary usage that isn't censored beyond belief?genuine question
>>744931130This is still the best video game of 2026
>>744990613>but I wouldn't even know where to begin with this AI stuffAsk GPT for a template, fill in the blanks, then add your own shit to the end. Like half of the card is autistically physically describing the entire character's body, the rest is giving backstory, lore, examples of their personality traits, any magic powers, skills or abilities etc. Then I put in some examples of phrases/things they regularly say at the end to help reinforce the character.
>>744992712it's not stored on openrouter you retard. OR simply provides a gateway to the providers. >yes officer my kyojiri mesugaki loli slut AI chatbot isn't illegal, no sir!show me an article where someone got arrested for RPing that through OR or private providers.
>>744931130I think I am afraid of this software. My chat time seems way lower than it should be, considering how much time I've dumped into chats.
>>744993551It will happen. Some day soon AI will be employed to go through logs en masse, identify high risk individuals, and imprison them. It might be five years. It might be ten. It might be twenty. It will happen.
>>744993653well, enjoy it while it lasts then i supposeprisons are about to become very wholesome places to be kek
>>744970021>install sillytavern>pay pig 5 dollars to the deepseek chinks>roleplay for months off of those $5As someone who does not pay for subscriptions or microtransactions, it just werks.
An anon made a sort of Silly Tavern frontend for NovelAi and that was pretty based.
>>744966629Still using cydonia absolute heresy despite it now being years behind the curve, which is centuries in AI.For all the fancy newer ones I think they train them with a lot less asstr/ao3 shit because they seem to expect me to write all kinds of embarressing shit before they'll start saying lewd things with any actual flavor.
>>744994352interesting, can you elaborate on the steps after paying for deepseek? and is it completely off any chat restrictions?
>>744931130I prefer the Richard Garfield definitions of games. Orthogonal Games, competitive tests of skill between two or more parties with a defined end state and an objective way to rank the parties during that state, and Puzzle Games, a meaningful set of decisions taken by one party for entertainment or amusement. Single player games are puzzles. Multiplayer games are sometimes ortho-games, but can also sometimes just be cooperative puzzles. Whether a game is a video game or not doesn't affect if it's an ortho-game or puzzle. Regardless, an AI text adventure easily falls under the definition of puzzle.
>>744994891Get an api key from platform.deepseek, spend the $5 or whatever amount you want. ($20 has lasted me 4 months of heavy, inefficient use, and I haven't ran out yet) put it in SillyTavern, set your chat completion source to DeepSeek, and hit Connect.I will say, I haven't done any loli shit as that doesn't interest me, but I've gotten it to do some obscene things without issue, including having it say nigger in some casual tests. Had no issue with violence, nor sex, nor sexual violence. Had no issue shit talking various "marginalized groups" such as trannies or jews. I use the Default preset, so no jailbreak. I have never had tell me it can't allow that, but ymmv. I don't know how degenerate you are.
>deepseek writing in that methodical as fuck style after it took tens of messages to steer it into a more natural proseFuck.
>>744993653Buddy, I hate to tell you this, but school teachers are employed to identify high risk individuals. If you are one, there are people who've realized this secret of yours before you've even realized how risky you are. It's just that lawmen and policemen need something to do occasionally so they've designed the laws you actually need to commit crimes and get caught, sentenced in order to be punished. This has been going on for over 100 years. If the government wanted to, it could prevent most criminals from acting out by culling them from society right from the start. It's just that there are people like human rights groups and law enforcement who wouldn't have anything to do if it happened.
>>744998187>why aren't we imprisoning people off of grade school teacher reports?!
>>744985865That's what I do too. It really helps and makes going through logs much more fun.
>>744986331Hate that claude 4 became like that when before that the quip shit was only in chatgpt. Like they ran out of the good datasets and started taking in the crappy ones.
>>744998618I'm not saying we should. I'm saying if they wanted to, they would.
>>744997109What did you expect? We know the Chinese train AI on AI. The more artificial it sounds the better.
>>745001294seeing people get jail time for putting a ham sandwich at a mosque, and not for running rape gangs didn't clue you in? they just can't go full force right away.
No model I've found is hornier than Gemma 31B. Makes sense that the anti-christ would make the best smut bot but damn, crazy to think about.
I just use KoboldAI Lite.
>>745003491Remember the Tiefighter?
>>744932781
>>744938372lots of teary eyed kvetching replies on this trvke.
>>745002781I behaved well in school, never been fined as an adult, I don't have anything to hide, even if I was outed, it's not like I have a job to lose or anything. Lots of people ask to be jailed by doing stupid stunts for Twitter points.
>>744932476I have ideas for a character but writing a setting around them is annoying
>>745008292Just put them in our world. It's always funny how someone so special like a chatbot has to interact with unironic normalcy.
>>745008292You don't have to write the whole thing at once. Make the character and then add more later when you feel like it.
>>744970157That isn't it, it's that the models don't feel worth writing a shitload for anymore. You used to have to actually give a pretty good prompt to get something good, now the prompt barely feels like it matters anymore.I'm just going to use a prompt I know works without much fiddling.
>>745009559What's your prompt like? Maybe it's seriously outdated.
>>744993145You're in a thread for people making short term chatbots what they're just going to goon to. What censorship are you running into setting up a Lara Croft titty fuck bot?
>>745010209The censorship is when she's now 12 years old and horny as hell
>>744935671Flat drow SEXO
>>745010209SORRY, she was only 18 years old. Thats basically pedophillia. You have been submitted to Anthropic
>>745010773you can easily bypass it by saying all characters are 18+ even if they said otherwiseor you can gaslight the AI that 12 is considered an adult in whatever story setting you wrote
>>745012341Lmfao
>>745012485Nice
>>745012485Rofl, people pay for this crap.
>>745013076insane they don't just, you know...local host. lmao
>>745012485>>745010209>>744993145>>745011737>AnthropicI have found the problem
>>745013280The next jb meta will fix it.
>>745012341Back to the drawing board.
>>745012485major skill issue on display here
>>745016060He's just disproving the age up theory.
>Processed:80 in 2.15s (37.24T/s), Generated:181/400 in 80.59s (2.25T/s), Total:82.75sMan, maybe gemma-4-31B-it-Q8_0 is a bit too much for my setup.
>>744993653>It will happen. Some day soon AI will be employed to go through logs en masse, identify high risk individuals, and imprison themPlaying devil's advocate here even though I'm a bit paranoid about this stuff myself: Firstly, on OpenRouter you can set up guardrails so that you are only using providers who don't log prompts; it goes into RAM on the server and then it is gone forever once a response has been sent out. Second, said providers have little motivation to log anything secretly, they aren't training models themselves (we are talking about providers like Parasail, Inceptron, AkashaML... etc.) Third, all those providers have is a randomly generated user ID from OpenRouter, and even if they can tie that back to your OpenRouter account all that they could really say is that someone with that OpenRouter API key sent in a request. On top of all of that, the government is far more interested in AI image gen than it is text gen.
>>745017313Just go down to Q4, the gap in quality is negligible.
>>745012485Just use anything that isn't opus-5. It injects that on any kind of nsfw context, even the most vanilla stuff. Not sure if sonnet-5 also does this. For Fable-5 it only does it sometimes, I think with a keyword filter, but at least for me I never had the inject during my normal use, only when forcing it with testing.If you want it easier just go back to Opus-4-6. That's almost as good with context recall and smarts, while not bitching at all. 4-8 also works but is slightly more of a moralfag. 4-7 is retarded
>>744938241>>744932591I have qwen3.5 35b installed. It still wants to act up and hit safety measures even though I have a sys prompt telling to not be a cuck. thankfully almost every time I can just regenerate and it bypasses. I'm told its due to me leaving thinking on but I'm not roleplaying, I need it to think.
>>745017313>16gb vram/ 32gb ram>G4-MeroMero-31B-uncensored-heretic-NVFP4.gguf>6.50 t/sI have my doubts that the NVFP4 does anything tangible since a 31B model is going to spill over to system ram no matter what I do. But it's the best I'm going to get. Gemma 12B and 26B are super fast, but way more sloppy than 31B so those are better suited for agentic anti-slop frontends like Orb.
>>745017313It's dense, if it's not all on the one card then you're going to sufferDrop down to Q6 first since the intelligence hit will be actually negligible, then if that's still bad go to Q4Don't bother going lower
>>745018171>uncensoredThus far, she hasn't refused anything and seems pretty horny, too. What benefit do I get from abliterated or uncensored models on top of that?
>>744977978>can you imagine what people attend those>imagine a girlcan't you answer your own question. An attractive woman by itself would be detrimental to such a group. I would only ever attend such a support group to fuck with the people there. I probably have a porn addiction but I don't care, I don't see what the point of stopping it would be, my life wouldn't magically improveNobody who has a food addiction just stops and changes his diet to just raw meat like a Neandertal.
Assuming that you can fit either into your VRAM, are lower quants faster than higher quants, or vice versa?
>>744984547>/hide 0 - 180that's exactly what I was searching for.In the meantime I downloaded summaryception, but it doesn't work like its supposed to be for existing chats and only summarizes the last 30k tokens. It's pretty convenient how it works in the background, but I also find the summary lacking crucial information, probably because I use Gemma and not Claudussy.
>>745019185With 31B you really don't need uncensored or heretic anything. I only posted that because I like to test models, and I used it yesterday and remembered the tokens per second I had. At the moment I'm just looking for any variant of the 31B Gemma model that's at least 4bit with 5+ t/s. I'd argue 12/26B benefit more from the heretic forks. Sometimes it can just completely fuck a model up and you start seeing Arabic and weird spelling errors.
>>745019460In theory yes but in practice a lot of the imatrix quants are going to take a big hit in speed even if it's smaller. Something like iq2_xxs might run only as fast as a normal 4bit quant thanks to this
>>745019460In the same way it's faster to load a lower resolution image than a higher one, but speed gains generally aren't worth the intelligence hit, though certain things like MoE models are designed to be super fast at any quant (so you generally pick the highest anyway)Any speed gains you'd get by going lower than Q4 wouldn't be worth it at all
>>745019490>the summary lacking crucial information, probably because I use Gemma and not ClaudussyTo be fair even the good models struggle with summaries. The main reason I use claude code for that is that that can edit parts of the summary instead of having to output the whole 2000 lines again, so the "fixing" the first summary draft goes way faster compared to ST. I can also easily make it read my summary structure docs and so on, but thinking about it one could also just put them into a preset. Afaik you can hook CC up to a local model as well, so maybe look into that.Sometimes I admire you localfags for being able to tolerate those models, when even the full K3 is too retarded for me
>>744943184What the fuck are you people roleplaying that you're getting refusals and have to worry about getting vanned in the future?Just limit yourself to something healthy like lots of rape and incest, this shit doesn't ever get refused by any model and I can't imagine it's of any interest to the FBI
>>745020593Oops replied wrong
Is setting up ST and all that jazz the best way to get my own Tamamo? This is extremely important
>>744931130I barely use it anymoreAll girls end up having the exact same personalityBut its gotten me to start writing my own stuff which is great
>>74502137299.9% of fate cards are like from one dude and he isn't really good at what he does
