The combat in this game is so mediocre, there's no strategy involved, you either beat the enemy's numbers and curbstomp them, or they do the same to you. The actual real combat is building your character properly and prebuffing, but what's the point if putting it into practice is so boring?
>The combat in this game is so mediocreJust on par with the rest of the game.
>>744969185I disagree, sort of. I think the combat is the game's only redeeming quality. "Combat" including all the kit building and shit.
>>744969185Play on Core difficulty.
Welcome to CRPGs, Mathfinder is admittedly worse than average but the entire genre is awful
>>744969185like all crpgs, it's a visual novel with a little bit of math involved. Your mistake is thinking that the game is designed to be a series of interesting puzzles, rather than a barbie dress up + novel with optional number sliders for the truly autistic.
daily BG3 tourist seethe thread
>>744970478Game's way too fucking hard and obnoxious on regular Core. Modified QoL Core is pretty good though, although skill checks still get fucking retarded.
>>744970602Damn bro you couldn't even wait 10 posts to bring up your obsession
lmao, go play your rollslop
>>744970587>barbie dress up>paper doll CRPG without even custom portrait and soundset support>>744970602>BG3 tourist seetheI think you two are posting in the wrong thread.
>>744970602>Boulder gape outsells Bugfinder 10 to 1>But Larianfags are the ones that are supposedly madOwlcucks will never, ever recover
>>744970640Have you played BG3? It's overwhelmingly gay and impossible to play because of it.
>>744970602but both are made by disgusting faggots
>>744970493kek it be like dis, monbut i still think these games can be funit's just that ttrpg doesn't get that retarded with buffstacking and restspamming and vidya adaptations of it never got both completely rightbg3 has a lot less buff autism because 5e + larian homebrew, but still has the constant resting.
>>744970706>Larian fired before they could even make horse cock DLC>WOTC literally pretends the game ever existed>"m-m-muh sales numbers though!"
>>744970790It doesn't matter if I played it or not, because this is a Pathfinder thread but you're so obsessed with BG3 you keep bringing it up unprompted. BG3fags don't even need to start shit because you already do it for them
>>744970853It's already been proven these threads are made by BG3fags
>>744970886holy rent free
>start the game on unfair>gets my ass beat hard in the Maze Dungeon>beat the Maze Dungeon>now everything gets thousands of times easier and i have no difficulty aside a few occasional unlucky one shots
>>744970954Shield Maze is only hard if you don't realize you can spam rests.
>>744970790Brother, WoTR's literally has a girlboss female ogre married to a human mtf tranny in the first hour of the gameYou got raped and gaped by Larian despite being just as degenerate
>>744970954>play RPG>everything is way harder when you're 1:1 more or less with mobs at level 1>harder difficulties just make this even worse>but it evens out later anywayIt is rules as written, mayne.
>>744969185It awakened a new fetish in me. I enjoy the story. Blowing shit up as an angel and seeing some big numbers is also fun.
>>744971061The first hour of BG3 has TWO girlbosses and THREE faggots join you, one of them being black.
>>744971141... and WotR has three girlbosses, one of them black, and a redditor
>>744971061>human mtf trannyWoah, what?I wouldn't doubt it but I never picked up on this.
>>744971251that rogue-ish NPC that you help with Seelah in the beginning is a tranny.But it's a cool tranny since it's a fantasy setting with fucking magic, he used a fucking proper potion or spell to become a foid.Now complain about that.
>>744970954>>744971059Unfair Maze Dungeon is literally impossible and there's nothing anyone can do or say to make me believe otherwise.Hell I'd go as far as to say Core is impossible too.The monk mutants and barbarian cultists are probably the most bullshit overtuned enemies in the entire game.
>>744969185The first act in the city is fun on hard difficulty but once you get to around level 10 it gets really old really fast to prebuff and go through the motions. Every enemy is just a clusterfuck or bad game design where either the AC or Saving Throws are maxed out so nothing is ever satisfying.>>744970478Playing on boring difficulties doesn't really solve the problem with the game. I want it to be challenging and have interesting and fun encounters but I don't want it to be stupidly designed in the aforementioned way.
>>744971251Anevia literally tells you that in the second act iirc, no idea how you managed to miss it
>>744971331>But it's a cool trannyNo such thing
>>744971396You need to cheese it by turning off XP share in the intro, then turning it back on in the dialogue tree in which you recruit a new companion, then turn it off again. If you do it right your party will be at level 3 in shield maze instead of level 2 and that makes everything much easier.
>>744971416Only a rare breed of turbo autist have actually played past the first Act of WOTR.
>>744971331>he used a fucking proper potion or spell to become a foid.>>744971416No way.>second actI got as far as saving Drezen and fighting out of a cave or something with an angel dude before I finally tapped out. I assume that was at least the second act but yeah I dunno.
>>744971416>Anevia literally tells you that in the second actthe second? when? never got that dialogue
>>744971396I've played the game last two years ago but I'm pretty sure I just played all the time at Core difficulty with other stuff changed, effectively a custom mode a lil bit harder.It's really not that bad and DOES NOT demand any kind of classic pathfinder dip autism if you're alreayd comfortable with the ruleset. But you need to pick some "optimal" feats and stat distribution early even if you pick a completely random class and subkit. I remember I ran a Fighter/Hellknight flail & shield and it tanked rather well with buffs and without mounts, the tanking crutch in WoTR when I played.Unfair is another beast. It's called unfair and unless you minmax you're getting fucked in the ass. I find it funny people play unfair and complain meta viability is a factor. I don't like it at all but it's completely optional.
>>744971469You are forced to recruit the token black character almost immediately in the intro so do you mean before Wendaug and Lann?
>>744970798It will never not be funny. Every Olwcat/BG3 thread ends with spergs, who support their LGBTQwhatever+ dev, publisher and source material owners calling the other LGBTQwhatever+ dev, publisher and source material owners tranny apologists and whatnot, shit's bonkers. Literally two fag apologists in the middle of a gay parade insulting each other with homosexual slurs. Pure comedy and madness.
Well, that kinda goes with the territory of having a character-building system! There's a continuum between games that are completely build-based and games that are tactical and Pathfinder is in the extreme build-end of the spectrum, but that's kinda built-in to the genre.And while Pathfinder is awful (starting with use of d20 system), I think that works in its favour. If you have shit combat, then the least you can do is to do SOMETHING ELSE well, and while it's flawed in this aspect too, at least Pathfinder is fun to crunch in, supporting flavorful builds, etc, etc. It plays generally smoothly (even if non-tactically), and the difficulty curve is such that autowinning mid-lategame feels like a reward of overcoming early hardship by optimizing the party well, rather than cheese.>>744970478You mean Core is the difficulty in which you don't have to bother with prebuffing and shit, or Core is the difficulty in which you can't just faceroll and have to approach the game tactically?If it's the latter: lol, lmao even. You can in principle try to play against the grain and try to exploit enemies' weaknesses, etc (to the degree the system allows it). But in actuality the higher you turn the difficulty, the more pressure there is to make sure you autowin by min/maxing to do one thing, such that you can overcome even the enemy's greatest defence and autowin. This is particularly pronounced on Unfair where 100% damage taken just doubles down on the rocket tag aspect: you "have to" win turn 1, but "clever tactic" like "defeat high AC enemies like those in Blackwater with touch attacks" is just a fool's errand: unless you specifically min/max for THAT (in such a way that you can then beat any other enemy too with ray spells), there's a good chance you won't even hit those spells *because your character isn't min/maxed for hitting them*, while a powergamed martial setup for example can just hit them on last iterative attack on every roll save for critical miss.
>>744971415Dude, Pathfinder 1e is a variant for turbo autists who loved to minmax in 3.5e, which in turn is a fucking turbo autist variant of 3e.THAT 3.5e you get scimitars and get your crit range into 12~20 and it goes downhill from there.
>>744971587I play on a modified Core as well but I barely make it out of the Maze every time. The monks and barbians never miss and with 3 and 2 APR they basically kill a party member every turn no matter what I do.I just turn on Dead Party Members Rise After Combat and eat my pride. The game is bullshit.
>>744971518My bad, I assumed people on /v/ actually played videogames>>744971559Didn't you do Anevia's questline for the potion?To my memory she spills the beans in the second act but maybe I'm misremembering, at some point in the game she does tell you how he was raised as a girl and her entire questline was about getting a potion of sex change to fully transition
>>744971769>THAT 3.5e you get scimitars and get your crit range into 12~20That's "basic" 3ed, m8.
>>744971867All I remember is liking NwN1 but not 2 when it came to systems.
>>744969185The combat is "proof in the pudding" of having built your character/party well, not an end in itself.
>>744971769As a turbo autist that used to minmax 3e I hated 3.5 but while liking some of the cantrip and spell list changes of Pathfinder actually disliked the rest of the system more than I disliked 3.5e.Min/maxing in Pathfinder games is inherently boring because its all Dragonball Z powerlevel shit where you make a completely irrational character concept just so you can steamroll the horrendously overtuned immune-to-everything demons that spawn every five feet in WotR. It isn't the fun and sensible class-combos of 3e or even 3.5e, its just absurd trees of obscure feat selections and subclasses/archetypes that are inherently boring except that their math is dumb.
>>744971938Then again, you can your scimitar crit range to 12 in NWN, even less with the meme prestige classes in the expansion.
I want Larian or someone capable of emulating their map/encounter design to make a smaller scale game. Drop the walking all over the place and saving wherever you want. Instead it's just trying to get progressively deeper into a large dungeon with lots of resource demands and only limited saves in specific areas. Having played on tabletop with a DM who actually designed and modified modules to focus on the dungeon delving element of the game, all while enjoying party shenanigans and interactions, I really do get annoyed with how focused modern CRPGs are with their over the top stories and just throwing a mountain of gold and supplies at you instead of actually being a little demanding with resource management.
>>744971787>didn't you do Anevia's questline for the potion?no clue what you're talking about. i know anevia is a tranny from the DLC when her male self shows up, but i don't think i've ever gotten her backstory in-game. i remember giving irabeth a scabbard and her mentioning anevia being "sick" but that's it
>>744972008But Larian's map and encounter design are shi-Oh, you have terrible taste.
>>744972061If you press Irabeth on the sickness she reveals the sickness was actually just body dymorphia or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
>>744971396On core at least it’s very doable no matter what class you chooseOnly the optional water elemental can be an issue and even then it can be bruteforced with savescumming
Holy shit you people really can't remember jack shit. You find out that Anevia is a troon in act 5 by passing a skill check. Before that Irabeth mentions off-hand that Anevia had a "sickness" she sold her sword to cure, but refuses to elaborate more than that
>>744972185I honestly find the WE easier than the monks and barbians, but I guess that's because I go all-out on it with the potions and shit they give you for it. There's not really anything you can do about the rest of the encounters except hope for good rolls, but I have the worst luck on Earth so that never happens.
>>744972251>holy fuck you people can't remember this thing you never got to act 5 to pass a skill check to even seeShit, you got me.
>>744971631All you need to do to turn it off is open the configuration menu, go to the difficulty menu and scroll down. It is the "only active companions receives xp" option. Turn this on at start even before recruiting the black girl.During the dialogue with the black there is a xp check that gives you 1000 xp. If you have the option turned off, this 1000 gets divided and you only receive 200, but if you turn it on, then your character receives the whole 1000 xp. Once you see the XP received message, you can turn the option off again, and now when she joins your party she will catch up and have 1000 xp too.Once you recruit Camilla and she catches up too, turn it on again. If you do it right, you should hit level 2 when you first talk with Lann and there is a perception check. You need to turn it off right before Lann accepts to take you to the village, after you show him the sword. The game only considers a companion joining you when you end the dialogue where they join, so it is safe to only turn it off during the dialogue right before you hit the end dialogue button.Once you have Lann and Recruited, you can turn it on again, and you will hit level 3 at start of the shield maze. After that i recommend leaving the option off for the rest of the game because the extra XP after the shield maze will be too small to bother micromanaging it.
>>744972354That one small room near the elemental with all the cultists is one thing I also often struggle with now that I think anout itUsually just sending in seelah with defensive fighting and reduce person works
>>744972485XP actually gets divided six ways even if you haven't met six characters yet.What you do is keep the option On until you get to the End Dialog part of the conversation, toggle it Off, end dialog, then toggle it On again. Do this until you recruit six party members.
>>744972446>"UHMM SHE ANNOUNCES TO EVERYONE SHE'S A TROON LIKE THE TROONS IN BG3 DO BRO">actually you have to exhaust the dialogues of two NPCs all through the game then pass a still check to find out>UHMM WHO CARES BRO"
>>744972008Solasta, kind
>people complaining about the wokeshit in WOTR>they haven't seen what lore changes paizo has done for 2eI've seen things you people wouldn't believe.Sarenrae in a polycule lesbian relationship.A literal tranny god who takes away your powers for misgendering someone.Actual estrogren potions.Nocticula becoming woke, dying her hair purple and wearing less revealing clothes while getting a lesbian gf....Just to name a few.Owlcat moving on was the right move.
>>744972956Not him but don't pretend your game isn't woke just because some tranny keeps a secret, you still have to put up with him through the entire game and his half-orc paladin wife
>>744972956Kys
I feel like WotR peaks at the Sarkoris section of The Lord of Nothing, which sucks because it's really short.I haven't enjoyed any other part of the game that much.
>>744973034a-At least we don't have combat wheelchairs (yet).
>>744973034Sarenrae Desna and Shelyn fucking has been a thing for years long before 2e
>>744973040At least they're NPCs, you have to put up with these things in your party in BG3
>>744972956Not him but you’re a woke tranny.
>>744973112No... you don't, you can just kill them, you can't get rid of the transbian dyke couple until near the end of the game and only if you play on evil mythic paths
>>744973076you first tourist>>744973138says the kettle
>>744969185Larian solved it with Baldurs Gate 3 combat, prebufing is cancer
>>744969185It's a single player D&D game, the combat is what you make of it. I had a lot of fun with my party of spellcasters who spammed the Pit spell and martials who spammed the bull rush action to push enemies into the pits.
>>744973081>Sarkoris sectionJk, I mean the fey woods in the Worldwound. Forget what that region's actually called.The Sarkoris shit is the first section with the giants.
>>744973034Honestly the very fact Owlcat even made a good RPG out of the terrible WOTR ap is already a miracle, that shit is horrendous, everything bad about wotr writing can be attributed to morons who wrote the original ap, like the woman who also wrote Siege of Dragonspear.
>>744972160Compared to what?
Imagine a CRPG where your companions are Morrigan, Varrik, Karlach, Ember, and Linzi.I would die of comfiness.
>>744973182This. There are some good adventure paths but they're all better run in other systems after having all the poorly made Pathfinder shit (lore AND rules) gutted out of it for whatever else you want to run instead.
>>744970419You just agreed with OP
>>744973158>don't talk to the transbian dyke couple>you're forced to dialogue with the like 3 times after chapter 1>kill the shitty companions in BG3 (all of them)>game gets harder as a punishment for not loving diversity and NPCs treat you like a monster
>>744972974>5e
>>744973264>>don't talk to the transbian dyke couple>>you're forced to dialogue with the like 3 times after chapter 1Oh fuck off, they're both major npcs and your main advisors>>game gets harder as a punishment for not loving diversity and NPCs treat you like a monsterJust hire mercs then retardAlso it's funny because I could use this logic for WotR's garbage cast too
>>744973214The OG Baldur's Gate, though I know it's unfair.
>>744973264That doesn't happen though.
>>744973264Disingenuous cunt
>>744973353You don't seem to be a very bright or honest person
I can't deny it's shit but also can't deny I simply like getting my fighty fighty guy going or my wizard pew pewing shit and somehow that got me 500h in this peice of shit game.really don't care about most characters.
The worst part about the false choice of being able to just waste the shitty companions is that you really kind of can't. The writers build them into the story and give them impossible point gets and quests that give otherwise ungettable loot, etc.It sucks.
>>744973414OG BG's encounter design is better than any Larian game's. And its maps are too.Sorry if that offends you.
>>744973101Wrong. First recorded instance was 2020; 2e had been out for like a year at that point.
>>744973535You're not doing a great job convincing me to the contrary of my previous statement.
>>744973535You don’t believe that.
>>744973571I'll live with that.>>744973618I do.
>>744973535I'm not a larian fan but no, especially not BG1 which can be mindlessly left clicked solo with basically any martial
>>744973662You're welcome to your wrong opinion.
>rtwp cucks getting uppity>praising bg1 encounter design of all thingaDeranged
>>744973660What's your favorite encounter in bg1?
>>744973567
>>744973535>OG BG's encounter design is betteryou can win 99% of encounters with hasted skeletons
>>744973787Definitely Mutamin's Garden for the novelty.>>744973778RTwP will always be better than TBC.
>>744973535You have not played Baldur's Gate 1 if you're saying this, lol
>>744973901I've spent more time playing BG1 than every other CRPG I've tried combined. Probably.
>>744973869The novelty of having to deal with a status effect?
>>744973535You are correct except in one instance and that is the fight with Sarevok since there's no way to stealth a rogue up to disarm all the bullshit traps without aggroing the entire encounter which means a micromanagement nightmare.
>>744973808It was a simpler time
>>744974069Sure yeah be a reductive faggot.>>744974073Yeah I was never a fan of that fight either, which is funny since the game's finale.
>>744973808The usual D&D crpg experience is curbstomp everything even by autoattacking then stopping to read wtf happened the odd time you get fucked in the ass > reload > manually micro stuff so it doesn't happen again.
>>744974281that sounds... boring, maybe that's why the genre died?
>>744974357>that sounds... boring, maybe that's why the genre died?The satisfaction comes from building your character to become strong enough to do that. Seeing a character build slowly "come online" as you level up is half the fun of the game.For example, Wizards and Sorcerers in these kind of games suck ass for the first 10-20 hours. Because literally all you'll be doing is casting crowd control spells. Then you stand to the side like a loser and watch your melee party members slowly beat the enemy to death. End game though? You're a walking god that can walk into a room and wipe out 20+ men with a flick of your wrists because your spells are THAT good now.
>>744974357The genre was never alive to begin with.Outside of some notable exceptions like the Baldur's Gate games CRPGs were never popular, and only BG3 was an actual breakout success, largely because of the visuals and sex stuff too.People love to glaze things like Fallout or Torment but CRPGs struggled to sell 500K on average with most games struggling to get past 200K, 1M was considered an incredibly success back then and those were really basic bitch numbers for JRPGs.CRPG fans coped so much with it that they had to include ARPG like TES or shitty TPS with dating like ME in the genre so that they could piggyback the sales numbers and convince themselves that people actually cared.
>>744974357How did it die. They kept making game after game, then Bioware tried to simplify the ruleset with Dragon Age, then the Pillars 1 kickstarter had a lot of traction.After that, Kingmaker and WotR.It's a niche autism kind of thing but it's way more prominent still than contemporary kind of games that were made nonstop back then like point & click.Ultimately it's an excel simulator like those Paradox games but the real time and visual feedback gives it an extra oomph as you get to see your wizard casting that fireball that's only effective because you spent all that Excel time building your wizard.
>click on a fallen tree>die>no confirmation whatsoever
>>744974595That was as much the fault of the genre as anything else. Normies care a lot about presentation and CRPGs have been forgoing presentation standards for decades with their surviving audience insisting the player "Use you imagination!". But that mostly just fails the whole idea of a videogames. If I wanted to use my imagination I have actual Table Top RPGs I can go play.
>>744974595>Outside of some notable exceptions like the Baldur's Gate games CRPGs were never popular,Dragon Age Origins says hi
>>744969185I wish this game was made by Larian but still written by Owlcat
is swashbuckler a fun class to play bg1 and bg2?
>>7449739720+0=0
>>744975543>i want worse gameplay and even more degenerate dialogKinda hope you die in a fire.
>>744976225I mean my copy of BG is older than Steam, so I can't exactly post a tume played. But this is about where I stopped my last attempt at WotR.
>>744976748The OwlCat one should be one single ogre in the middle of a swamp map they've already used for six other encounters.
>>744976723>playing on console
>>744977484Not wasting 100gbs of my Steam Deck space for a game I barely like.
>>744976748larian encounter design:
>>744977714Soulful and dare I say, ludokino
>>744975785>cannot backstabeh...at best i see some benefit for dualclassing but if you want a pure thief run, nothing beats shadowdancer
>>744977945>using your character skills to buff is heckin bad design because... there's too many of them!!!>shoving barrels in your asshole and shitting them up in a boss while he can just look on helplessly is... hecking sovl!!!!KILL yourself
>>744977625>Steam DeckNTA but holy shit why would even fucking buy one
>>744972061You pretty much have to exhaust their dialogue tree multiple times in acts 1,2, and 3 to find out. Like a shitty version of getting Spinner info.
>>744978051the difference is that one is required so much that the second most popular mod is all about bypassing it, complete with people constantly asking Owlcat to implement it in the base game without mods, while the other one is a cheese meme almost nobody does except for people that want to farm (You)s with their epic webms
>>744978138>when our game does it is a meme bruh frfr>when your does its bad though
>>744976723I wish the Trickster path involved Targona, it had a weird split between random pranks and cosmic horror and getting her into Drezen and using her abomination energy to screw up the crossroads would've been a good final prank.
>>744977714Explosive barrels are a limited get out of jail free card and they fall off late game and unless you are cheating you can't farm that many explosive grenades either.
>>744977714The best part is you don't have to do barrel shit if you don't want to, the encounter being balanced with 4 man party and some might not have divine/arcane caster as active party member at the time. On pre-Rogue Trader owlcat games, you have to get buffed or get fucked because the stats are inflated and combat maneuvers can't do their job because immunity to trip/wear no armor to sunder armor/gore attack that can't be disarmed/monster with weapons that somehow can't be disarmed even on successful disarm/etc. Everyone and their mother having spell resistance and inflated saves make this even worse because it fucked all debuff spells until you get the item for it, which is fine if those are sold in vendors but some of these shit are misable drop from quests. Thank god rogue trader unfuck all of these problem and make power fantasy rpg actually feel like power fantasy.
>>744978138>that the second most popular mod is all about bypassing itCheat mods are always very popular because most people are too retarded for video games
>ESL filtered by easy as shit CRPGs
the amazing gameplay:
>>744978094I got one of the last LCD's for like $400. Better than not having a PC at all I figured.
the balanced encounter design:
>>744979056>can't see shit>game looks like ass>turn basedEven just 38 seconds was too long to bear.
>>74497893799% of those buffs were not necessary in any way.
>game looks like ass
>>744979214So the game is filled with useless spells?
>>744969185>muh prebuffing you didn't beat the game
>>744979232The female character models (and Karlach) are unironically the game's only redeeming factors. I wouldn't have even made it to chapter 3 without them. Game is fucking trash.
>>744979289>bruh the game should only give me one spell per level like in BG3 else my ADHD can't cope frfr
>>744979289It's a game with situational spells which shine sometimes but are often superfluous. Spending all those spellslots on buffs is a huge waste.Unless you’re an unfair tranny I really don’t see the point of any of that. You’re even using expendable and extremely overstatted animal companions so there’s even less reason, those can basically solo core difficulty.
>>744979459Kill yourself owlcuck~
despite all the crying bitching and moaning, Owlcat keeps trying to imitate Larian more and more, so it's clear who won
>>744979659Larian is definitely much better at appealing to normalfags Very praiseworthy
>>744979730>noooo not le hecking normalfagerinosThe day you learn to enjoy or hate things using your own criteria instead of caring about what normalfags like or dislike is the day you'll be truly happy
>>744979659how so? i haven't seen a gay deep gnome searching for his husband or a companion that is secretly a whore and fantasizes about other men when you romance her
>>744979659>dumber ruleset>actual CaC>ots ttp and not quasi-isometric birdseye bullshit memberberry camYeah it's not a shocker which game won.
>>744979786>or a companion that is secretly a whore and fantasizes about other men when you romance heris your keyword "secretly" here?
>>744979786wotr has literal transvestites
>>744979785Something being made to please normalfags is always gonna make it shitOwlcat wanting to do the sqme will have horrendous consequences
>>744979879
>>744979992RT is better than Pathfinder and DH is better than RT, but you keep coping
>>744979996big win for the 41%
>>744979879you only learn about it in act 5 (end of the game) btw. pretty much have to exhaust all "her" and irebeth dialogue to get a perception check (which is very hard to pass).
>>744979786>gay deep gnome searching for his husbandas opposed to a tranny searching for his half-orc dyke paladin wife?>companion that is secretly a whore and fantasizes about other men when you romance herlike wenduag?
>>744979786Aure's past is way more disgusting than Shadowheart's and she doesn’t even have an excuse for it.
>>744979856No Owlcat romance cucks you btw. >Camno evidence whatsoever that she does aside from waifufags bickering amongst themselves
>>744980167I was thinking about Wenduag but good on you for reminding me of that one too
>>744979996Rentfree
>talking about degen party members>no one even mentions the literal cannibal psychopathic whore>>744980104Kek"Hard to pass"
Sheowheart fucked a trannyNothing comes close to how gross that is
>>744980140>and she doesn’t even have an excuse for it.It's literally in her nature.Fuck you for making me 'defend' a succubus.
>>744980167Shart is bad because she openly flirts with your bear companion, fantasizes about him and is the only girl willing to engage in orgies (complete with disapproving if you don't allow said bear to join) nobody cares about her past, especially when all the girls in BG3 are different degrees of sluts
>>744980368>its literally in her nature to suck cocks like she’s a MAGA blonde in the ghettoOwltroons not sending their best
>>744980140Arue was born in literally hell and had to kill, fuck and rape to survive another day in alushinyrra. and despite this she is way above any BG3 girl. also she becomes a virgin after you complete her quest thanks to desna
>>744980529>I can't believe this succubus, that was created for the sole purpose of sucking men's souls out through their dicks, sucked men's souls out through their dicksWhat's your excuse?
>>744980447>nobody cares about her pastThey should, it’s way more offensive than anything else she does.
>>744980601>a woman having sex in the past is more offensive than her openly trying to fuck some other guy while she's with youif you say so
>>744970493I thought you could only have one polymorph effect at a time
>>744980353don't forget about the g*nome or the gangbangs
>>744980597Cheap protein
>>744980762Beef prices are out of control.
>>744980225/v/ doesn't play video games, also stop insulting my wife like that. She's my cannibal psycho wife.
>>744980716Gnomes are chads and 80 percent cock by volume. Of course she couldn’t resist.
A complaint I'd like to field while we're all here:>Through the Ashes starts and ends during the very begining of Deskari's attack on Kenabres>Somehow the Crusade is several months on when you wake up in the Abyss at the beginning of The Lord of Nothing Really fucking lame
>Arue>karlach>Wenduag>Lae"zal>Camellia>Shadowheart
>>744980989At least Shart only cuckolds you if you ask
>>744980989Karlach > Aru > Shart > Zel > shit > Cam
>>744979785I do enjoy/hate things based on my own criteria which is why I tried Larian games. They're complete dogshit the combat system is boring af and their writing is like if discord mod and reddit mod had a child. It's the quintessential everything is ironic and le joke because then I can shield myself from any criticism type of writing.
>>744981038Karlach is reddit the character and is the definition of safe horny.
>>744969185You're supposed to make your builds fun/flavorful and then change the difficulty to suit it. Minmaxing is midwit shit.
>>744981162Reddit is based unlike you
>make a Fighter that uses a Greatsword>pick Demon (im going Legend later)>make the support bitch healer cast prayer, protection from evil and elemental resistance>my haste bot casts haste>idgaf about what my other useless faggot party members are doing>its go time>fight starts and i demon dimension door right up in some poor dickheads face>it explodes into a pink mist>cleave the other poor dickheads around it>queue more pink explosions>fights over>oh yeah i forgot to use mark of justice lel oh wellgame was pretty fun but i played on daring mode. im not autistic enough to care about anything higher
>>744981162>and is the definition of safe horny.Exactly. She's nice and not a complete abject degenerate. At least explicitly.
Never actually did the Arue romance, only Galfrey which was nice imo if a bit short, how is it?
>>744981259Same. Daring is the best difficulty because you don't need to prebuff that much aside from harder fights and can enjoy the game. additional enemies on core ruins it for me
>>744981337good. also becomes the only owlcat girl beside Kibbles to give you kids and start a family
>>744981337I only started it before I stopped my playthrough, but it's weird.>i really like you but we cant fuck because ill lose control and succ youIt's kind of the same dynamic as Karlach's but rabid soul-stealing sex instead of 3rd degree burns
>>744980721This dialogue is laughably bad. Who writes this garbage, and for who? Do normies enjoy this unironically or just laugh it off?
>>744980721Real talk though I fucking love that dress she's in
>>744981450Thankfully unlike kibellah arue doesnt make your kids join a depraved death cult
>>744981263>fingers your bum and immediately have sex with you. >not degenerateglad i beheaded that devil spawn whore and got a sweet greatsword
>>744981259>become lich>literally turn entire city into undead>turn companions into undead>random dialogue option where you flex your lich powers>fucking goddess sends her lackeys after you and you just btfo them and rape their corpses>spells that literally one shot every enemyThe game really does a great fucking job at power fantasy.
>>744972061>>744971787>>744971559>>744971416>>744971251It's Act 5 and you need to constantly pester xer about xer past and medical history, than pass an absurdly high passive perception check to even have the chance to ask xer about it.More people have gotten the Sadistic Game Design achievement than have discovered Anevia is a magical tranny in vanilla, but that is the only thing the trolls have on the game to bitch about because they're too stunted to enjoy the build autism and an epic story that that doesn't rely on postmodern irony as a crutch.
>>744969185It's more about the RPG elements of building your character and party properly rather than the strategy of the individual turn to turn combat.
>>744981662>and an epic story that that doesn't rely on postmodern irony as a crutchlol
>>744981702Barring trickster and parts of azata the game plays everything completely straight.
>>744981702Which part of that did you struggle with?
>>744981764and like half your companions treating it like a joke campaign >>744981778the awful writing
>>744981506Bazinga
>>744981796>and like half your companions treating it like a joke campaign Really? Who does that?
>>744981853Never heard of 5, never seen 8. Rest are pretty good.
>>744981647for me it was nuking a entire demon lord realm after you made him shit his pans in fear or telling a demon lord of knowledge and predication that he is nothing but a grain of sand in time compared to him
>>744981796Only Daeran come to mind and even then it's pushing it.
>>744981162>Karlach is reddit the characterWait until you see Nenio
>>744981929Average larian enjoyer...
>>744969185I feel the same way really. DOS2 so far has my favorite combat in a crpg
>>744971396I did it a couple times on core and once on unfair, but it was closer to launch and I haven't played since then. I don't recall it being too bad as a cleric or wizard. If they haven't changed anything using grease with selective spell trivializes a lot of the early game. My understanding is that this doesn't work in pnp though, so it may no longer be a thing you can do.
To be totally fair Baldur's Gate 3 is played straight as well, even if there's a lot of quippy dialoge. If people being catty makes the game unserious then WotR does have the same issue.>>744982080Actually I fucking despise all these new CRPGs.
>>744982168>maze>selctive spellAnon just shut the fuck up.
>>744974595DOS2 sold 10 million copies
>>744982180>If people being catty makes the game unserious then WotR does have the same issueIf the cries about wokeness didn't make you realize it, WotRfags live by the "it's okay when my game does it" logic
>>744980989the frog and shartfart are both better than wendog and camellia (not like that's an achievement) and only the frog is good of those
>>744982263>WotRfags live by the "it's okay when my game does it" logicFunnily I don't really understand the rivalry.If you can appreciate a fucking monstrosity like Camelia, a Durge playthrough should be right up youe alley.But that's why I hate both games.
>>744980041LMAO
>>744980104you could use this same logic for the bg3 tranny who is hidden at the end of an act 3 dungeon and has about 10 lines of dialogue
>>744982072
>>744982486Yeah, just like that
>>744982368>Funnily I don't really understand the rivalry.It's mainly rtwp vs tb rivalry.
>>744982523lmao most people that play pathfinder play TB, no, the rivalry simply comes from brand loyalty (and larian being like a gorillion times more popular doesn't help)
>>744971396>Impossible >Nearly 1 in 12 players have done it and beaten the optional boss as well.
Wrath not making half your companions leave and/or die when you go evil is another thing it has over BG3 btw.
>>744982551>most people that play pathfinder play TBI don't consider them people
>>744982523Fair. RtwP is basically the only reason I've put more time into WotR.
>>744982565It's not half, just two. And that's a bad thing? Why the fuck would to so called good companions tolerate your evil shit?
>>744982565BG3 has parties of 4, while Wrath has parties of 6
>>744969185I fully agree but no other game let's me become a 7ft tall dragon lich that is nigh invulnerable with life withering attacks and face melting spells.
>>744982230You stfu, if you adjust xp sharing settings you can be level 3 before the end of the maze. I admit I didn't recall specifically which first chapter dungeon it was since I haven't played in years, but you can have it for the first dungeon. Also unless something changed in later patches I don't remember the first dungeon being that bad.
>>7449826086>4 another reason it's better
>>744982263>WotRfags live by the "it's okay when my game does it" logicIronic when the BG3stans call WOTR woke while ignoring the degeneracy of their own 'game'
>>744969185The buff thing is there for people that fucks up their builds, party compositions or play in higher difficulties. You can certainly abuse it, specially with certain mythic feats that extend effects and duration but if you know what you are doing you don´t need those and are rewarded with more spell slots and better mythic feats.
>>744982641>stans
>>744982641no most BG3 fans are aware of it and just call out the hypocrisy, its really only owlcat fans that have a complex about it, I think because a lot of owlcat fans are also russian nationalists and so they have this weird narrative about how based and not woke their country is
>>744982617I'm sorry anon, I thought you were just finding an excuse to swing your dick around. But I really don't think you can get selective grease that early in the game, not that it would be much better than regular grease.>Also unless something changed in later patches I don't remember the first dungeon being that bad.Multiple groups of multiple monks and barbs with 9 to 15 BAB and 2 to 3 APR when your best tank would be hard pressed to have even 24 AC is pretty fucking egregious imo.>>744982557I have that trophy. Still stand by what I said.
WotR is ironically far more cinematic and engrossing and everything else BG3 strived so hard to be with all its weird over-emoting faces and fullvoice narration at the expense of almost everything else. Awakening your true powers and hanging the Sword of Valor over Drezen was infinitely more epic than anything that happened in BG3, and that is basically a precursor.
>>744982803>when your best tank would be hard pressed to have even 24 AC is pretty fucking egregious imo.I remember having around 30 on the paladin nigga
>>744971396Core is okay unless Hosilla gets a crit then she'll kill your entire party
>>744982902No you don't.
>>744982640eh, not really. I feel having to balance around 6 party members is too sloppy. 4 is the perfect number to keep you from feeling too powerful while making sure every member feels important. ig there's less filler roles so each slot has to be filled by someone whose really good at what they do, which could be perceived as a negative.
>>744982702>a lot of owlcat fans are also russian nationalists and so they have this weird narrative about how based and not woke their country isDoesn't make any sense when the devs escaped russia. Why would russian nationalist support them?
>>744982894>at the expense of almost everything elsesay what you want about BG3, but this isn't a Mass Effect or DAO situation where they had to gut like all the content to fir their full VA and cinematics on console disks. I don't think I've ever seen a single person actually think that BG3 has not enough content.
>>744982702>BG3 fans are aware of it and just call out the hypocrisy>meanwhile you have 'people' in this very thread coping with "b-but you call le unalive the companions you don't like!!"
>>744982072The moment Nenio didn't agree to my leadership, she was out of the party.That happened two nanoseconds after meeting herAlso, her personal quest is absolutely irrelevant
>>744983019>unalive>stansJesus christ, where the fuck did you come from?
>>744983017>I don't think I've ever seen a single person actually think that BG3 has not enough content.You have now.Game feels like a fucking slog because traversal and combat take forever, but if you actually look at what you get, the game is actually pretty small.
>>744983072>he got me, better change the subject quick
>>744983019you can, if you want. it doesn't really change the fact that they're theremy point is more that Owlcat fags are always the one starting shit, and their first go to complaint is always about le woke which is rich when their favorite game has a tranny lesbian couple in prominent roles
>>744982942Pretty sure I did, with defensive stance. I'm not reinstalling the game rn to prove you wrong tho.
>>744983125>Owlcat fags are always the one starting shit>thread is literally a BG3 nigger starting shit
>>744983118The game is still woke, but being able to kill them at will is indeed better than what Owlcat does where you can't kill anyone, now stop talking like if you were on tiktok you fucking retard
VA killed crpgs, name one (1) good crpg with fully voiced dialogues.
>>744983173BG3 wasn't mentioned at all in the OP >>744969185>>744970602some random guy then started seething about BG3 out of nowhere while posting a bait imagewhy lie?
>>744983125>Owlcat fags are always the one starting shitAre you for real right now?
>>744983175>what Owlcat does where you can't kill anyone
>>744983173?? >>744970602
>>744983242are you ESL?
>>744983249Refer to the earlier point mentioned in this thread. Late-game only, evil mythic path only
>>744983127Seelah has a +1 dex bonus, shield focus and splintmail. With a heavy shield and defensive fighting you're looking at ~22AC. 10 base + 7 splint + 2 shield + 1 bonus + 2 defensive fighting
>>744983249>its bad BG3 lets you kill people you don't like because you miss out on content and it makes the game harder>tries to defend Owlcat by posting an extreme lategame mythic path that makes the game harder and has you miss a ton of contenthuh?
>>744983256>>744983220>>744983242These threads are literally made by BG3fags seething about random real crpgs as an excuse to praise their gay bear sex simulator, you'd know that if you had been here for more than two years but you can also just search wrath of the righteous in the archive and see the results.
>>744983306You can kill Cam the moment you realize she's evil, you can drop any companion at any point in time.
>>744981452what's so weird about that
>>744983375>the only people who think WOTR combat is not that good are BG3fags
>>744983487Are you ok who are you quoting?
>>744983461Maybe nothing, but given the rest of the game it feels like the devs meant it as some form of cuckoldry or something.
>this thread
>>744983190Divinity Original Sin 2Dark Heresy (probably)
I like both games ...
>>744983621>Divinity Original Sin 2xD>Dark Heresy (probably)>owlcat>full va
>>744983548you spend way too much time here
>>744983692>xDits a very good game
>>744983692DOS2 is a good game and Dark Heresy is indeed fully voice acted, you don't even know what your fav devs are doing huh
>>744983720let me rephrasexDD>>744983754>fav devsI only like wotr rest of their games are mid
>>744982902>>744982942>>744983127>>744983349I loaded up my most recent playtrough's save, this is buffed near the end of the maze at lvl 2.
DoS2 was cute and not as gross and degen as BG3, but it was also shit and I never finished it.
>>744983840so I was right it was around 30
>>744983840who is casting haste at lvl2?
>>744983840>lv2>>haste>>lv3 mobility bonus on fighting defensivelyYou people are so fucking stupid and disengenuous I don't know why I even bother.
>>744983927me
>>744983927>>744983947There's a potion in the maze, as well as one of Barkskin and Shield of Faith and a bunch of other defensive things like Protection from Cold that is useful against the water elemental.Consumables are there to be used, lads.And the "level 3 mobility" is from Crane Stance, taken on Monk at 2nd level. You don't even know how to build tanks in this game, nor drink the potions the game gives you. No wonder you struggled on Core lol
>>744983927>>744983947There is a haste potion in the dungeon. Also that +1 from haste is literally irrelevant
>>744983840>>744984046>near end of the maze lvl 2I'm playing on unfair so I did the exp cheese trick so that everyone is lvl 3 partway through the mazeI'm trying out the arcane deceiver class with the subclass that gets oracle mystery, Seems like it should be fun. Gonna get back to it now.
>>744984046>You don't even know how to build tanks in this gametbf pajama tanking is the worst part of wotr and I wish it wasn't better than normal tanking.
>>744984046I already mentioned I used the potions for the WE. The discussion was more about the groups of monks and barbs with multiple APR.
>>744984046How do I deal with enemies just disengaging from AC30 tanks to beat up the AC16 damage dealers?
>>744984192>when your best tank would be hard pressed to have even 24 ACEven without potions you should be sitting at 28 this isn't hard pressed>>744984245Now that is actually a valid argument.
>>744983892Would be 30 exactly if she drank the barkskin pot, but I gave that to someone else because she has the amulet.>>744984180Monk is purely for Crane at this level, she's still in a breastplate and using a heavy shield.>>744984192Just Crane Style should cover you, the pots were guilding the lily to show what heights you could reach.Plus you can just use the Protection from Cold pot for the water elemental, it doesn't have a super high AB.Also...>>744984245...Grease lol
any vidya that's based on a tabletop rpg that doesn't take a lot of liberties adapting the ruleset is going to be shit because tabletop games are all shit, which is because tabletop players are all gay retards. half of them are high on their own farts and think they're so smart and creative that the game doesn't need good mechanics because they can just come up with better ones themselves, and the other half think using maps and shit makes it a board game and not a rpg anymore, so games are all designed for "theater of the mind" bull crap.
>>744984364>she's still in a breastplate and using a heavy shield.I know, but I'm talking about mid/late game. Everyone just turns into pajama tanks and 99% of armours are useless.
>>744984290Monks are gay so I never looked at dualling Seelah to Scaled Fist. If you wanna say that's on me, fine. I gave Cam Iceplant which made her my best tank at 26AC, which still doesn't feel like a lot when you're taking multiple coinflips per round.I dunno why you guys are so fixated on the WE. It was never my point.
>>744984467It's lessened somewhat since they cucked Archmage Armor and added those newer armour feats, but anyone that can cast Mage Armor is going to be better off naked still.
>>744982557>7.5%That shit is 0.9% on PS5.
>>744984492>why you guys are so fixated on the WEwe're not tho, there are multiple potions and you can also use spells like bane to debuff enemies you know? And if you want to be really cheesy you can entangle kite which is boring af but will win you pretty much every fight from prologue all the way to like act 2 end.
>>744984492It's d20 at very low level, you ARE going to eat a random longbow crit and die instantly sometimes, you ARE going to nat 1 both of your hasted power attacks sometimes, your enemies ARE all going to pass their reflex save against your grease spell and mob the caster.BUTyou can heavily mitigate the odds of these things happening if you know how to game the system and abuse every advantage the game gives you in the form of consumables and intelligent planning of your character’s build progression.If you want to bitch that d20 systems are annoying swingy and you dislike them then you won't find any arguments here, but when you call out Core difficulty as being impossible and complete bullshit, well that's where people will fight you. If you want a steamroll experience where you can just blitz every encounter and enjoy the story feeling like a complete god, then play on Normal or something, there's no shame in it.
Has anyone beaten The Lord of Nothing and can tell me whether my gamexs bugged? I pursuaded the bellringer to let me into the bigbad's dungeon in the shadow realm, but nothing happened and I can't talk to him anymore, and there's no indication in the map or journal about where to go.
>>744984752>call out Core difficulty as being impossible and complete bullshitTo be fair I only said the monk and barbs were bullshit and overtuned (they are). Core Maze being impossible was an exaggeration of course, but it's not like it's not excessively hard either.
>>744984172Ehh fuck it. I'll just restart with something else. Maybe I'll try to add levels if I do a legend playthrough.
>>744985765>>744984172Make a witch or shaman and abuse the fortune and protective luck/cackle ooc shit, it's one of the least soul-destroying ways to beat the prologue.If you're on console then lol
>>744985001nobody is going to answer you because no one played that shit
>>744986539I played it but most of it has been wiped from memory, I remember the shadow place being a really shitty gimmick stealth level
I just treat it as a visual novel with some combat. I also didn't mind the HoMM sections but I was a lich and my army just steamrolled it all so idk.
>>744985001Yeah I beat it
>>744973034>A literal tranny god who takes away your powers for misgendering someone.Dare I ask...Who?
>>744982938Protective luck hex means she's got to roll like 4 consecutive nat 20s.
>>744969185Yes but balls hurt gay 3
>>744973182>See the adventure path and find the Iomedae tooting your party for answering wrong to her quiz e.g. Nenio intro questions but she kills you if you answer wrongI'd jump to the demon side
Why does nobody ever post their character sheets in these threads?
>>744988673I'll be outed having shit build and playing on story mode while larping beating unfair when shilling to the bg3 babies.
>>744988673I haven't had the game installed in years. This game is half a decade old.
>>744985001It's been a bit but I think there's a gap between where you first meet that guy and where he actually lets you in. It was pretty linear until you get into the dungeons proper.
>>744980721I still don't get why BG3 have 2 druid rep while monk and bard get nothing.
>>744989290Because Halsin was only added after Larian realized he was popular (he wasn't, it was just a vocal minority on Reddit and the Larian forums wanting to fuck him)
>>744974595>Outside of all the games that were popular the genre was never popularPowerful stuff
>>744988673Never catch a thread when I'm in the middle of a run.I finished an unfair lich swarm playthrough I did specifically to bully inevitable darkness a few days ago.
>>744977625You should. Trying to play a CRPG like this with a gamepad just adds an additional obstacle in your way. It's also 49.5GBs.
>>744983014I mean, their "office" on Cyprus is probably just an accountant in a room. This is well known.
>>744973034>>744973182Because most people don't know shit about the tabletop scene. I had no idea the AP itself was so questionable, though. Was it ever collected in a single volume?
>>744969185I remember using the variations of the pits spell like the toilet tactic with the mothership from Starcraft 2.
>>744970602>least schizophrenic and mindraped owlcuck fanwhy do owkcuckfags think larinfags care about them. BG3 is such a league of its own it's stupid to try to measure up to it
>>744990208>shit ton of ass portraits out there>no one collected official shit from the booksat least there's the iconic pack if nothing else
>>744988673Because they're several pages long. Do you wanna see my paperdoll with my APR and BAB, or my class sheet, or my maetial sheet? That's three and it'd still leave out my spellbook, active effects, and mythic feats.
>>744988673it's been years since i last played the games both pathfinder and bg3.
>>744990487Also there's 5 mercs because having fully customized party is the reason why I like wotr and rogue trader more than BG3.(Also solasta but the game having no way to add custom portrait to cover the subpar 3d model kinda sucks.)
>>744990890bg3 allows you to have mercs too larper. Talk to the bone guy to summon them
>>744990968>bg3 allows you to have mercs too larperNot customizable because all the mercs is revived dead cultist and victim from a cult with their own race+class prepackaged, unless you want to abuse multiplayer to summon your own characters.
>>744991098https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Hirelingsyou can cease your retarded larp
>>744991204>While each has a fixed body type, voice, Race, and BackgroundRead your own link.
>>744990890you can't fully respec wotr companions while you can for bg3 companions
>>744991462There's mods for that.I tend to make nenio a BFT because it's both thematic and powergamey.
>>744991098>unless you want to abuse multiplayer to summon your own characters.I did this in bg1-2 why should I not do it in 3?
>>744992356>RTwPlmao
This is a general. Not a single post in this thread is genuine. Its all just to get as many replies as possible and keep the thread bumped. Every single post is a lie. When you reply to it you lose.
Which adventure path has sexy asian waifu to fight with?
>>744983091People oversell its scope pretty hard, there's like half a dozen fights on the Underdark map total unless you rape the shrooms for no reason
>>744995331its also a turn based game so fights are naturally longer
>>744994452
>Quick save>Attack enemy >5 damage>Reload>Attack enemy>4 damage>Reload>Attack enemy>10 damage>Quick save
>>744995603You can kill her right
>>744995816Me but with Phantasmal Killer.
>>744970478core is retarded, if it's your first time just play normal, if you played kingmaker just play daringenjoy the story for the first playthrough and then if you want build autism minmax afterwards when you replay it
>>744992356>rtwpbased
>>744984046the immense level of retardation people suffer from this series is incredible and they act like core is some kind of impossible challenge and then other nerds send them total min-max shit like dipping monk on tanksi play on hard and run seelah as a pure paladin tank and she does fine.
>>744996423>i play on hard and run seelah as a pure paladin tank and she does fine.now show your prebuffs and explain why doing that 10 million times makes you skilled?
>>744996487thats how the game works nigger if you dont like it go play with playdoh or something.
>>744996537>hmm yes the game is fine on hard *spends 50% of gameplay prebuffing*maybe the game isn't fine on hard?
