Meet your match.
The Heavy is dead
The damn hats
>>745064993Annoying unneccessary nerfs against the fun loadouts like the axtinguisher and bushwacka
>>745064993Shifting of people working on the game during 2013 which was when they fired a lot of people at valve and was apparent with the love&war update, tough break was the writing on the wall with the competitive beta plus the CS:GO-ification of the game.
>>745064993No new weapon
Any and all forms of official servers and the resulting decline of community ones. Yes MYM hypercharged it but quickplay and "valve servers" in general already delivered the first blow.
>>745064993No TF3
>>745065226I will never forgive the Eviction Notice rework. They just decided to turn a fun and balanced sidegrade, if not slightly underpowered, into a shittier gru for no reason.
>>745064993Items and matchmaking
>>745064993For me my favourite imageboard community server died so I stopped playing. Thankfully that was before all the f2p poors got their hands on it.
>>745064993the community abusing Valve's trust, Valve completely giving up on TF2 for 10 years and of course, compniggers which fear mongered Valve to do something about e-sports popularity, had them rework all the fun weapons in the game and gutted half of items only to ban 3/4 of them for compniggerings matches. honorary mention, Eric. anyone who says MyM or matchmaking, that was the final nail in the coffin.
Way, wayyyyy too much shit on top of the core gameplay.
>>745065742The compfags genuinely believed they were going to quit their day job (assuming they had one in the first place, lol) and play competitive TF2 as a lucrative esport in massive arenas watched by thousands of people with six-figure cash prizes, on the same level as LoL and Dota, in a game mode where 2/3 of the 9 classes in the class based team game aren’t used at allI can’t believe the level of delusion that must have required or the fact that Valve actually fucking listened to them
I quit before meet your match but I remember a lot of the community servers I played in died around the time mvm released for some reason. My own personal issues are related to hats and the mannconomy because it's something that should have never existed in a video game to begin with
>>745064993
>>745064993the playerbase
>>745064993Meat Your Match, how many times do I gotta say this
>>745064993Its almost 20 years old, Id say nothing went wrong even if the game is a bit shit now. The good times are over but thats okay because we all live in first world countries
End of the Line and everything after it.
>>745067863Valve didn't listen to them because they didn't do anything with the competitive mode. 6s was always too inaccessible because it filters out all of the retards, and you need retards to go to tournaments and watch.
Quick play killing community servers is the main culprit. Comp fags existing
where are all the devs? tf2 is extremely popular and there's like one dude working on it.
>>745071118Why work on your ip's when the cattle have proven that they will eat what ever community slop you copypaste from the workshop?
>>745065415This.https://youtu.be/DEAYDusa98k
>>745064993they shilled to comp scene, funneled people to volvo servers, that killed casual servers, volvo servers got infested in botsso no cool place to hop in and play with regularsrouted route requires forming a team and is unplayable because of bots, queuespeople lost the will and habit of playing it
>>745064993Nothing it still plays wellI jump on skial servers from time to time when drunk and have fun ruining sniper's lives with stickyjump demoman
>>745064993Gabe Neil is a fat jew
>>745065053fpbp.
>>745064993Most of the devs left to work on Dota 2 or VR shit so no new original content. Community made hats and maps lack the SOVL.
>>745072075Catering to competitards has ruined the game. >Hey competitards, how do you think we should do matchmaking?>Well, our solution is to COMPLETELY FUCK IT THE FUCK UP. Also, please keep autobalance, especially in the last 30 seconds of the match and make it so the map completely reloads after every match, the teams get scrambled (making the last second autobalance especially punishing AND pointless for balance), add a very long load time + 1-2 minutes of preround bullshit every time the map reloads this way. >Thanks competitards, I'm sure the players will love that. What's your opinion on this fun weapon combo?>AIEEEEEEEE nerf it!!! nerf it to the ground! Make the weapons so terrible, nobody will ever use them again! The ONLY classes that are allowed to have OP unavoidable bullshit are Soldier and Sniper. Also add damage and accuracy ramp up to miniguns, nerf the Sandvich and nerf everything that allows Heavy to get to mid slighly faster. Heavy stops me from just brainlessly diving the Medic so NERF NERF NEEEEERFFFF.
Meet your match just put a second more brutal round in the stumbling game already bleeding out from the gutshot quickplay + official servers dealt.I know the heckin basedpilled ecelebs jerk off quickplay like it's their religion but anything beyond server browser = cancer.
Hackers and Bots. Not the actual in-game AI controlled enemies Bots, Bots being used by Humans.
Imagine if Valve used L4D2 as their testbed for monetization tactics instead of TF2.Survivor cosmetics, weapon skins, and even alternate special infected skins for versus mode.
>>745064993 this -> >>745065053 and this -> >>745065187mym fucked up matchmaking (irony), and created long wait times to get into a server for standard gameplay.the game was raped with "who cares?" cosmetics which, in turn, bloated the game's overall footprint on your storage device.they compressed the ever living shit out of textures and audio just to make room for the distinct mesh data of every class' cosmetic add-ons.
>>745065053FPBP, fuck Casual and Competitive. Compfags will seethe that "Ooh, it's not our fault that Walve wanted to make TF2 competitive", even doe compfags were literally invited to them and told them how the game should be balanced and that competitive is "THA FOOCHAR!".I started playing in 2019, but once I tried out playing with Quickplay ruleset holy shit it ruined the Casual for me. I just don't understand how you can defend Casual if you tried playing with 45 minute map timer, !scramble, !rtv, !nominate, free team switching, map vote being during the game and no MMR. You have to be an actual bot to defend Casual. The only time I play Casual now is for free Halloween stuff, and holy shit was that a shitshow with empty servers.
trolls are talking about "muh hats" but in truth it's amazing that such a game is available for free. tf2 is probably the best free to play.
compfags
>>745074462It's not even the queue times that are problem with matchmaking, it's that the gameplay itself is limited to 2 rounds after which you have to wait 30 seconds for the game to change the map (they changed it to 15, but it's still a shitty system), then for the map to load, for ALL PEOPLE to fill the teams, where you could be waiting for UP TO 2 MINUTES!!! if the server isn't full enough, then wait another 10 seconds for "Are you ready?", AND ONLY THEN are you allowed to play 2 rounds after which the whole server leaves because why bother staying and waiting for this when you can be dropped into another game quicker.
>>745075396The game going F2P killed it. I would rather the game have died than continue on as it is now.
>/v/ having a schizophrenic melty over comp bogeyman again
>>745075676no one force you to play it. blizzard made overwatch for people like you.
>>745075998I continue to play it while screaming into the void.On Orange low grav 100% crit servers.
>>745064993it lives for too long.
>>745075917Why does Casual track your MMR?
>>745076206because valve is retardednext question
I learned from my time playing overwatch 1 that the magic of TF2 was community servers. Competitive matchmaking is a monstrous psychological experiement for any game. TF2 was only good because you could jump into some furry's random payload server and have a great time. I dont even think the mannconomy update was that bad, as it gives something to look forward to when playing
reminder that valve wanted casual to have abandonment penalties with the launch of MyM but instantly removed it when so many players complainedyou can't have proper matchmaking with a game as free-form as tf2 which is why quickplay was the superior format
>>745076237Why are they retarded?
>>745076402why are you?
>>745076402they were actually scared by overwatch
>>745064993Listening to the "competitive community"
>>745076449Never cry about people actually discussing the topic if you have nothing to add.
>>745076618>stop mocking my schizo delusions
valve dropping some absolute stinker balance patches then just dipping and never fixing them didnt help
>>745076710You didn't disprove that compfags ruined the game, your only argument is "It's just isn't, okay!?". You have nothing to add. Don't ever post again.
>nerf the caber because it fucks over compfags playing squishie classes>leave phlog as is even though it ruins every pub server
>>745076913>argument from ignorance fallacy
>try to force modern game concepts in a system that worked just fine (quickplay>mym)>fuckton of bugs and holes come with it>pushing server browser and axing some community server plugins killed interest in community servers>bot crisis turned off a big fraction of the remaining fraction and they left>shit like muting f2ps and the gayest cosmetic sets while valve still has 2 seperste updates in development hell made many leave on principle from therewe are now here. did I forget anything?
>>745065053yup, this. 'nuff said
>>745065480eviction notice was overpowered but go off
>>745077171>wasnt banned in any comp format>overpowered
>>745077209the crossbow is far overpowered compared to Med's other primaries and comp will say med is boring to play without it, so that makes it fine.
>>745077050>answered question with a question like a jew
>>745076913nta but why didn't valve do it sooner when it was showcased by dota's first international to be a success, why did it take them 6 years hence after to make a compfag related update whilst doing many and I mean many things even the compniggers didn't want?>nobody wanted casual>comp wasn't even styled around how competitive functioned on the grass roots community side>many weapons were left to be unbalanced pieces of shit despite major complaints: vacc, short circuit, wrangler>couldn't resolve classes like heavy, pyro or spy which still have major issuesyou are delusional, the people who sight compfags are ignorant retards that didn't play during the competitive beta nor the whole discourse surrounding it and you'd probably not be able to pick up on the decline in quality post 2013.any person that says>compfagsis a /vg/ aka /TF2G/-tiernigger worth of actually substance. compies also don't even think about you btw.
The game is just too old now. DirectX9 is fucking garbage. They won't make Vulkan or DX11 the default renderer like Dota.
>>745077302the game doesn't revolve around heavy like it does medic and uber
>>745077209>fanfic meta
>>745077361what difference woudl changing the renderer make?
>>745077380>heavy slows down game pacing by being a huge bodyguard>med having distance strong healing also slows the game pace down when people can heal instantlyhmmm
>>745077435DX9 is abandoned by Microsoft, GPU IHVs, and more. It has bugs all over the place on top of shit performance on newer hardware you could be getting 2000+ 1% fps but you still get that AH AH AH AH AH AH AH stutter when loading in and more.
>>745077451>med having distance strong healing also slows the game pace down when people can heal instantlyit's actually the opposite. soldiers don't have to jump over to the medic and take 3x as long to get topped up before pushing.
>>745064993Made to be casual from the ground up and still makes Valve tens of millions each year. But it didn't make ALL the money so Valve tried to force changes it wasn't made in order to be a competitive e-sports game. Failing to realize that trained sailed over ten years ago. Valve, as always, got bored and gave up. To this day Gaben cries himself to sleep for not owning another yacth because of this.
>>745077547the game progresses by players dying and points being taken. players staying alive and their lives prolonging extends the game. ergo, more healing= longer game.
I laugh like a dummy playing with Pyroland on because of the voices. Is there a way to leave only the voices on and deactivate everything else about Pyroland?
>>745077636>the game progresses by players dying and points being takenit goes both ways. taking space without a buff is extremely difficult. buffing players without crit heals takes a very long time. if you can't buff quickly defensive play is rewarded more heavily.
>>745064993Should've went with classic serious style.
>>745064993I never played this, and I don't feel like I missed out.
>>745077776i think its a mod or some shit
>>745078053it's just a game, but for what it was, it was amazing.
>>745078053Correct. Classified is better.
>>745078053honestly you should just install the goldrush mod and try finding a populated server there if you still want to experience tf2you could do the same in regular tf2 with a community server but finding proper vanilla servers that are populated it not the easiest task, especially for a new player who wouldn't know what to look for
>>745065742>the community abusing Valve's trustwhat are you referring to? valve listening to compfags?
>>745078307was*
TF2 is objectively one of the best games of all time. It was a true lightning in a bottle moment for all of gaming and I would argue Valve's best work. A true shame they let it to rot, but then again, in a strange way, it is fitting.
>>745078438stuff like the Invasion Update
>>745078515Still is.
>>745078586You can blame emporiumniggers for that one.
>>745078621wasn't that before the emporium took off?
>>745077330Because they saw the Overwatch and the money it was generating, so they looked at TF2 and said "We can totally do this too!". But TF2 at its core is not a comp game, it's fun.>Why not after dota?TF2 had no competitors at the time.>nobody wanted casualValve wanted to push players into competitive mindset so that people wouldn't just mainly play Quickplay and it would be more like CS, where most people play Comp, despite Casual being right there, so they made an abomination by taking away all of the good stuff from Quickplay in order to force a square peg into circular hole.>comp wasn't even styled around how competitive functioned on the grass roots community sideValve didn't get the memo that you need to ban 3/4th of the game in order for the gamemode to function. They thought that you could just have no class restrictions and every class being available at all times with all weapons allowed, because this is how the game has always functioned.>many weapons were left to be unbalanced pieces of shit despite major complaints: vacc, short circuit, wranglerYou're asking this as if I know why compfags didn't complain about it, but did about Heavy-to-mid, BASE FUCKING JUMPER and Sandman. Though imho none of the weapons are or have ever been OP to the point they needed a nerf. I could just assume Vaccinator is banned/got overlooked and they don't play Engineer in comp>couldn't resolve classes like heavy, pyro or spy which still have major issuesAgain, compfags didn't complain about them because they don't play anything outside of Scout, Soldier, Demo and Medic.
You shouldn't be able to instakill people in any multiplayer game.
>>74506499310 years of neglect. 10 years of casual. (almost) 10 years of bots. >>745075396TF2 is the best F2P game there is, I agree, but Valve should've implemented proper tutorials or coaching for it. TF2 is very mechanically complex. I have friends who tried to play it and couldn't understand what was happening. As a result, TF2 fails to retain new players past the 100 hour mark most of the time. Not to mention, F2Ps still can't use global chat. At this point, TF2 will die of a broken heart.
>>745078053You missed out hard and nothing will bring back the golden age of this game.
>>745078678Even if it was before they became the stranglehold that they are for the workshop, the two that took the major share caused the issue and even if invasion came out without any issues, later down the line it would've happened no matter what because of the fact that the selective types that make the community side content aren't desirable people, they're greedy and actively have to have a share between creations to ensure gain no matter what which is confirmed by looking through the workshop when the honey moon period happens between each seasonal update.No matter what the emporium would've formed together one way or another because of how they are as people, I consider them cancer in major regards to the fact that:they continue to fuck over the game's potential ability to be addressed by being a free labour for valve to continue the endless stream of seasonal content; killing them off wouldn't stop this since people want to have a share of the 3 updates per year but would stop the elitism standard set by having tons of useful resources/information for people to use to make their own stuff, let alone them targetting fresh faces to snuff to ensure there's no competitiongenerally speaking TF2 doesn't need anymore community content, it needs actual updates and casual is the first in line to be addressed, going to quickplay is a massive plug on the bleeding issue since it's a better system but won't keep people around, everything else that might come afterwards is entirely on valve.
>>745079124>You missed out harddon't feel like I did if it's anything like cs or other valve games, besides HL1.
not sure exactly but I left around 2012 as it was going stale even by then and most of the dedicated servers/community that I played on were dying alreadyafter that nothing can capture that fleeting feeling again (maybe Tribes Ascend for a bit)
>>745064993Spy v Sniper update was where it all fell apart.
>>745079205It's not like these games at all.
>>745079417I'd say the same as Valve drone
Post the Engineer imagine.
>>745064993Nothing that wasn’t already wrong with it. The balance issues just exacerbated the fact that most matches are decided by which ever team can get their bullshit over on the other team, resulting in rolls or shutouts. Every subsequent patch has completely ignored the early departure question, and now after nearly 20 years we are finally having to confront it, but there is really no good or fun answer to the problem that doesn’t involve Valve basically rushing it to completion with the upcoming 20th anniversary.
>>745078739>TF2 had no competitors at the time.yet valve was heavily into pushing dota competitively from the get go, with an artificially pushed 1M prize pool; it's not that TF2 didn't have any competition, it's that the people who were behind tf2 and developing it understood there wasn't any need to push it in that respect until they were told to move to an other part of valve that was more desirable. look towards 2015 and you can instantly see from gun mettle, let alone the compfag beta, that the people who were making the changes/patches had changed which was heavily evident from it being jill/eric/somebody else I can't remember but was a ragtag team of different devs that never had a name to themselves, not to mention gun mettle pushing CS:GO aspects like gun skins/contractor missions>Valve wanted to push players into competitive mindsetand they backpedalled on that after a week for casual; to this day the refusal to go back to the better system is utterly inane.>Valve didn't get the memo that you need to ban 3/4th of the game in order for the gamemode to function.they did, they just didn't want to comply since people would be annoyed as a result of thatthe other issues regarding weapons heavy to mid is because it's a wall that makes the game play slow, base jumper was always a dogshit weapon so that's on valve being stupid for listening to whoever suggested it and the sandman getting dumpsters is FUCKING WARRANTED is on them being out of touch with the game and the class issues in due fact that, again, they don't play the game heavily enough to get the general issues which is why the compfag scene still has very big stalematey issues due to heavy/engineer off classing for last defence being able to slow the game down but that's a topic in of itself.if you want something that is actually bad that they've done in balance changes that's truly bad, look at jungle inferno pyro airblast, that's retarded.
>>745079079Dota is far more mechanically complex and still the second most played game on Steam, I don't think that's the problem
>>745079124GOD WHY THE FUCK DID I NOT PICK THIS GAME UP EARLIERI MISSED THE KINO BONUS DUCKS AND SPRAYS ON VALVE SERVERSFUCK YOU VALVE I WANT MY FUCKING RERUN OF THE ROBO SANDWICHGIVE ME ANYTHING BUT SEASONAL SLOP PLEASE!
>>745080060>playing in tranny-free environment in 2008yeah you sure do lad
>>745080060>"NOOOOOOOOO I missed out on my FOMOrino during [not golden era] and [not golden era] moment of this game!"holy shit you newfags are beyond embarrassing.
>>745080060don't forget the apple earbud too
>>745079079TF2 is one of the easiest game to pick up. It's mechanically simplistic and I don't understand how your friends are confused by it. Maybe the maps, but that always takes time.You can easily play classes like the soldier just fine without having to read a whole guide online on how to do it.It's only the more advanced source engine movement techniques and whatever that needs time to pick up.The bigger issue against new blood is casual and how there are people with 10 000h stomping servers so the match will be quick and you have to reque in 2 minutes.
>>745065053Correct. Automatic matchmaking destroyed the server lobby culture and without being able to pick out map rotations/gamemodes/cliques any fucking variety just died instantly. Way to kill off literally everything unique and good about the game all at once.>it's 24/7 2Fort! JK it's a CTF rotation server>it's basically 24/7 2fort but sometimes you can swing a vote and then scout rush on chasm while everyone else is still playing autism simulatorRIP TF2, worth the money I paid for the orange box
>>745078053I continue to play this game almost daily even after almost two decades, bar some breaks, because those first 3-4 years were pure magic. I can't help but chase the dragon. If people are still on it when I'm 85, I'll be there. Team Fortress 2 just fucking rules dude, even when it's this deep in the toilet I still prefer it to pretty much everything else.
>>745080335Also I played deadslop a while back and maybe it's that I've played TF2 for so long and have gotten used to games having easy to understand mechanics, but I could not understand a fucking thing even after playing a few matches.I'm sure it comes with time, but the gameplay loop was fucking boring. The characters also don't have the same sovl. I only remember the gargoyle guy.
>>745079782>valve was heavily into pushing dota competitively from the get goLeague of Legends?>heavy to mid is because it's a wall that makes the game play slowWhat?
I'm not a TF2 autist, super casual playerFor me the game kinda died when you couldn't teamswap anymore in the quickplay gamesSo many of the games are steamrolls, and rounds kept going and going. I liked swapping to the team that was losing and trying really hard to play classes that could turn the tide. Other people felt the same, so matches generally balanced themselves out over time. Steamrolling the enemy team is just as fun as getting steamrolled: not at all.
>>745065742>comp players are why the righteous bison is bad>the weapon that literally none of them used or even cared about>THAT righteous bisonYou retards need to stop labeling them as the boogeyman when the burden of fault is exclusively on valve.Its not like early concepts from the TF2 beta in 2008 werent specifically trying to cater to skilled play with the GRU, PDQ, and teleporting pistol (a precursor to the Eureka Effect). During which they involved no one who actually played comp TF2 at the time, they were randomly selected players.Everything still is Valves responsibility, regardless of whose voices they are listening to.
>>745064993Valve not caring.If they had continued to actively support it, it would still be big to this day. Just look at the summer 2 years ago.But it is what it is. I had my fun and still have my memories.
>>745078554>TF2 is objectively one of the best games of all timeLMAO>most of the maps are trash>most of the gamemodes are trash>most of the unlocks are trash>spy and pyro are borderline useless>heavy and engie put you to sleep>if nobody wants to play medic/engie on your team (or they just suck) you lose>art style raped beyond recognition>default settings designed for 2007 dialup>doesn't even have a functional tutorial>game is easily broken just by stacking med and demo>matches decided by random crit dice rolls>valve killed community servers so you're forced to play their matchmaking slop>half your playtime is spent waiting around for the game to start or map to change>if you get put in a game in progress 99% chance it's a one sided steamroll>6 stacks can single-handedly ruin servers and votekick anyone they want>graphics have actually gotten WORSE from release>barely any meaningful content for a 19 year old game that has generated hundreds of millions of dollars for valve>most classes require minimal skill and anyone with fps experience and a brain can pubstomp with a config>playerbase consists of gambling addicts, third world children, furries, trannies, and /pol/fags
>>745081416so, you started playing in 2023. i'm so sorry
>>745081548
>>745065053>>745068382/thread. this and allowing emporium troons to rape the art direction with their tasteless cosmetics
>>745081001>because of this one weapon completely unrelated to mym & ji your point is wrongWhile it was also comp fags, it was also influencers.This is why influencers, like Dane at the time, shouldn't have a fucking say about balance or anything about the game. Their opinion is dogshit.You are filtered if you think the sandman nerf wa deserved or if diamondback is op.
>>745080749>heavy to mid is because it's a wall that makes the game play slow>What?you heard me, heavy is a hard target to bring down and thus slows the game down, especially for mid engagements where he can act as a means of area denial plus making it harder for soldiers to engage with say the medic or such, you can't bomb a heavy easily since he shuts down a part by virtue of him existing even on open maps, scout can clean up a heavy but that depends on the area or location, for 6s he's an issue by being a wall thus making the game play slower which unfortunately you wouldn't understand since you haven't played the game enough to understand why heavy to mid is an issue in of itself.League and dota2 being based off of defence of the ancients with an already existing esports scene isn't a competition and more so just working off of an already working formula, better yet league came a couple of years prior to dota and dota had a valve made tournament not even for when it was publicly available until later on in the same year, league on the other hand had a tournament within in the same month but after two years.Could be said as icefrog making the decision to flaunt their lot but generally speaking I think they already had plans even with league being out to just push it in a competitive narrative since it was from an already working concept that plenty played at their HQ.
>>745081674Too many cosmetic set pieces that don't fit with anything else are being added these days. Also shit colors and modelling.Also rate my ghostbuster loadout
>>745081684Sandman deserved a nerf but not the one they went with.Diamondback is only stupid in the context of the Ambassador getting nerfed.Valve has had a long history of making very odd design and rebalance decisions. The only real sticking issue is that they made changes and then walked away, leaving us with baffling concepts that exist as a weird time capsule into when they were on some drugs.
>>745078739>But TF2 at its core is not a comp game, it's funWhat is this blud even trying to say?
>>745081416you can play the maps and classes you want to
>>745082425playing soldier and demo on the same 5 payload maps for the millionth time gets old
>>745078515>those first two weeks of glorious unfiltered community tf2>>745080060Just mod in the items you want its really easy
You can't expect 99 percent of TF2 players to have actually played 6s, and no, PUGs obviously do not count. >>745078739Everyone seems to think that the 6s community arbitrarily bans weapons, when the bans are actually one of the biggest reasons on why the mode is so good. No you can't bring heavy to mid, you can't have 2 meidcs, you can't play phlog pyro, and if you do, you'll still get stomped by a better team playing the core 6 classes. Not cowtowing to retards that don't even play 6s is the right decision.
>>745081758In comp game yes, in normal game no. And that's my point, they're balancing the game for a completely different gamemode that is nothing like the vanilla game. What's fine in normal game, broken in comp. What's balanced in comp, shit in normal game.>unfortunately you wouldn't understand since you haven't played the game enough to understand why heavy to mid is an issue in of itself.1) You're a retard2) You talk like a redditor3) Spy, Sniper, Bonk, Stickybomb Launcher existI don't give a fuck about Dota, it's a completely separate game. Dota was made specifically for competitive, TF2 was made for casual fun first. Still, the argument "they could've made TF2 competitive before Overwatch" is retarded. We could've had Fortnite without skins and microtransactions, but money speaks first. Valve was comfortable with TF2 being TF2 because there was no incentive. Overwatch came and showed how profitable "hero shooters" can be. Plus a lot of people were leaving TF2 for Overwatch, so Valve had to do something.>>745082229fun first, sorry.
Get on point, stoopid
>>745083710No one's fucking saying that "comp should be like this", the problem is that they influenced Valve to nerf weapons that are FINE IN VANILLA, BROKEN IN COMP, for fuck's sake, how many times do we have to say that. I'm not saying that there should be Heavy to mid in comp, I'm saying that compfags' decision to tell Valve that it should be nerfed FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME, JUST BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN IN YOUR CUSTOM GAMEMODE is nonsense. Stop with this retarded strawman, no sane person is gonna buy it. It's like if you nerfed Half-Zatoichi FOR THE WHOLE GAME to give you speed boost on kill instead of health because it's good in Saxton Hale.
>>745083960>Dota was made specifically for competitiveNot him, but lol no, it was literally made to be casual. Like, literally a casualization of MMORPGs and warcraft 3 itself, since running around with your hero was somewhat fun
>>745084393Half-Zatoichi is a silly example because it was unusably bad in comp but uniquely busted in pub settings because the damn thing could crit like no tomorrow, especially with charge refills from the pre-nerf tide turner that also gave full crits.The nerf actually made it best in slot in comp, specifically as a form of self-damage without spending ammo similar to the Boston Basher.Context is an important thing but there are plenty of things that were busted in the hands of a skilled player regardless of context of the mode being played, such as the pre-nerf Atomizer letting scout pay 10 health to not get hit by rockets and shit on soldier as a consequence, or the pre-nerf soda popper giving you minicrits for existing.
>>745084696the audience didn't think that way tho lmao
>>745083960Robin walker has interviews going over weapon changes and balance that were specifically with competitive in mind long before the compfags "touched" tf2 oh so badly like they did in meet your match; the people who were developing tf2 after 2014 weren't as clued in nor as sophisticated as the people who went through lots of trial and error via the balance changes which is furthered supported by the huntsman being a weapon they knew was shit but wanted in anyways because it was fun.Compfags never ruined the game, the people developing the competitive update were the people who did, compfags are merely a symptom of the cause.also>spy>bonk>heavy counterslol, way to out yourself as a casualnigger>muh nor-lmao>stickybomb launcherif the demoman can even get in without being overhealed and getting shredded in the process if he so dares tries to bomb, if your thought process is a trap then I don't need to say anymore, you are a shitter and haven't experienced the game enough; if you reply to argue about what's normal then you can face the wall once the cream settles to the top and you're left with +8k hour players but realistically speaking you'll be gone by then.you can reply and argue but I'm done talking to a lobotomite that thinks spy is a counter to heavy.
>>745084815Things changed, just like how TF2 was meant to be serious, yet people just wanna be wholesome chungus and throw emotes at each other
>>745074316>Versus but even more insufferable because the retards also poured all their savings into it
>>745065053I played recently and the matchmaking was a better experience than the server browser. I played the game 6000 hours between 2008 and 2016, btw. Then again, I always liked to play real TF2 and not do gay conga line peace dances in the middle or run around a mario kart funhouse aimlessly. I do wish there were more custom maps played now but the game's included matchmaking maps have expanded tremendously; now it says there's 220+ of them and most I've never tried
>>745084393Valve still made the decision to nerf those weapons at the end of the day, and I legitimately don't give a fuck about what you think about the Ambi or the Sandman. Anyone blaming the comp scene is acting like Valve hasn't made countless retarded decisions on their own
pony fuckers ie proto troons ruined the game
>>745081416>all this yap from a faggot that still plays the gameholy cringe
>>745084979not with that artstyle and the general tone and presentation of the meet videos
>>745081001the bison has always been bad newfriend, of all the weapons that Valve killed you had to pick the one that's always been a meme>inb4 Pomsonjust kys man
>>745085181You like wasting more time joining and leaving short matches instead of 45 minutes of uninterrupted gameplay?Or are you including quick-play (how the game worked before MyM) as part of your definition for "matchmaking"?
>>745084979>tf2 was meant to be seriousyeah before TF2 was released, during the concept part of the development. Fucking RETARD.
>>745085441Anyone even talking about the bison or pomson nowadays makes me wonder why they even still use their brainpower on remembering them
>>745085416>>745085524Old TF2 was half-serious, because it was a legitimately cool game at the time. It's like looking at new Halo compared to old Halo; old Halo still had cheesy dialogue and birthday grunts. There's something called a middle ground, and a lot of you guys just can't understand it.
Do these fuckass facestabbing spies run some kind of script that instantly M1s when the "back"stab becomes available? It's gotten a lot worse lately. I'm always dying on the frame with a spy in the center of my vision
>>745085726interp abuse where they're stabbing you in a place you were before than you are currently.
>>745084746Holy reading comprehension... CURRENT HALF-ZATOICHI, TODAY, IN SAXTON HALE TODAY, what do you not understand?>>745084869>Robin wa-...Appeal to authority.>lol, way to out yourself as a casualniggerYou don't play the game.>can't kill Heavy with a DemoYou suck at this game, just uninstall and never post in TF2 threads.>I'm done talking to a lobotomite that thinks spy is a counter to heavy.This phrase perfectly summarizes that compfags don't play TF2. And yet they have the gall to shit-talk you because they bitched and moaned about mildly good weapons. They do not deserve respect, they do not deserve to be catered to, they do not deserve to play this game.
>>745064993Port TF2 on switch 2 with gyro aiming aka the only good gaming console. And gaming will heal. Make a Splatoon crossover too with MVM and salmon run.
>>745085945How often do you still die to spies on heavy?
>>745086113meant for >>745085945
>>745085653TF2 was getting dumped left and right by CoD and Battlefield players, even before the release of hats which killed the artstyle and original intention by giving Pyro, the most menacing looking class in the game a fucking toddler spinning beanie. No one took the game seriously, not even Valve when they added voicelines and gave everyone wacky quotes that were shitposted to hell from the beginning, see vid related which was released months after they added voicelines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBZrRCCrXE>>745085726facestabbing spies just run straight at you and wish for the best, you can literally stab the left/right shoulder (don't remember) of a player and it will count as a backstab, almost 65% of a player model counts towards a backstab. Of course, there is bound to be some cheaters that have auto-stab but most spy mains are no-lifers that pretend to play the biggest psychological master mind tricks on fresh installs and get 30 killstreaks. As you as you put them against competent players, Spy mains go 1/1 KDA at best.
>>745086129I rarely play Heavy, so can't tell. But when I play Spy Heavy is an easy target because he's focused on shooting others.
>>745085945based
>>7450649931. Old game with horrific spaghetti code2. Most of Valve losing interest and moving on to other projects like CS:GO from 2013 onward and HL:A (HL:A in particular was in development from 2016 to 2019, hence why TF2 was thrown under the bus particularly hard in those years even though those were the years that the game needed attention the most)3. The community being full of the most retarded and immature spergs on the planet, not only getting just mad but personally offended at any bad move that Valve made. Further alienating and disenchanting the remaining devs who chose to keep working.MYM was a symptom, not the full cause. I know everyone points to it exclusively, but you have to look at the bigger picture. If anything, the writing was on the wall after End of the Line and Invasion.
>>745086315Wait, you mean to tell me that you play spy and kill a bunch of retards playing heavy that never turn around? Wow I never would've guessed. You know what the counter to spy is though? Turning around.
>>745086395sorry but you're talking to a guy that says tf2 is for "fun", not exactly a smart person mind you.
>>745064993Valve not giving a fuckAmbassador nerfAlso this >>745065053
>>745085416>not with that artstyle and the general tone and presentation of the meet videosWhy? Just because you have goofiness doesn't mean the game is all about the kazotsky kick line. Dota 2 also has goofiness, yet people still play it seriously>>745085524Anon, you know that "serious" here means playing with the intention of actually playing the game and achieving the goal it was designed for. And yes, you can play with a silly loadout and still have a serious mindset. It's all about your intention in the end
>>745086395Do you turn around as Heavy mid shooting the enemy team?
>>745086495Must be really sad being you and playing games you don't enjoy.
>>745085456The matchmaking finds a game for me in like 15-30 seconds every tine though, and the players seem the same skill levels as in the old server browser. Always sone cannon fodder, decent players and sometimes 1 or 2 gregors . Then you just stay in the server and vote for a new map (out of 3 random choices) and you can keep playing. Its harder to play a specific map of course but I am the type of guy who will try all maps and play all classes
>>745086632Yes. Problem?
>>745086632Yes, and if I'm not able to, then you'd be no different than a scout running up behind me and meatshotting me, because I assume I've already taken some damage
>>745086621what I meant is Valve themselves did a 180 on their vision of the game and look how they monetise and cater to which audience then?
>>745086732>"Fun" is turning your brain off 100% of the time you play and never ever having any sort of complaints about anything
>>745086732bet your definition of fun is as shallow as your game experience and hours in game.
>>745079079>Not to mention, F2Ps still can't use global chat.this is the main reasoni got bored and played a bit in 2024? after not playing since 2012 on a new account because gabe newell stole my old steam account. they hid the community servers so i didn't even know they were still a thing at that point, and i queued for the quickplay shit. not only could i not talk, but i also got kicked for being "f2p" by some nigs that most likely started playing after i quitnow i knew there used to be community servers so i looked it up and went on 24/7 2fort, but a new player will most likely just shake his head and uninstall on the spot i know i was about to loli really don't get what they were thinking with this shit
>>745086739Good for you.>>745086742Anon, Spy instakills with a knife... But I assume you don't play the game.
>>745086887Scout basically instakills with a meatshot if you're already in an active firefight and can't turn around to laser someone to death
>>745086793>>745086859>"Fun" is sweating your ass off and playing extremely optimally and crying about the "crutches"Go back to Overwatch.
>>745085181>I played recently and the matchmaking was a better experience than the server browser.Unless you're extremely autistic about map selection, you're just wrong. Even if you are, it's still wrong because you'll have to leave and requeue every time a map is voted for that you don't want to play. casual is>select maps>wait in queue>get placed in a dogshit match>play for 3 minutes>game ends>everyone leaves>wait around on map vote>get into next round>game has 8 people in it for the first 5 minutes of the match>leave>do it againserver browser>click on server>play game>vote for a new map>immediately go to new map when game ends>almost nobody leaves>repeat until you don't want to play tf2 anymore
>>745064993it has been said over and over but Meet your match was the last nail in the coffin for the game.The state of the game is so dire nowadays, I tried playing it today here in South America and I spent several minutes trying to find a match with every single payload, KOTH, Capture the point and new maps selected. There is not a single decent server to play a regular game either, it is just servers to fuck around.
>>745087028So you're saying that Spy is weak to an objective insta-kill on the back, but struggles with """basically""" instakill? Make it make sense.
>>745078053You did miss out. The golden age of TF2 was something else: the new in-game content, the Meet the Team videos, the servers full of life and people to meet, the community making cool stuff, the mods, the new lore, the saxxys, the comics. It was something truly unique that I'll always hold dear to my heartSome people will never get my love for this old wacky game and I pity them
>>745087182"""basically""" instakill on the back*
>>745087187Fucking this. I remember being in school / college and always following all updates and changes. Shit was so cash.
>745087182You got entangled in your own point. Sad!
>>745087182I'm saying that you're retarded if you think that spy isn't the least powerful class in the game
>>745087058>sights "normal" tf2 as the way the game was intended>sights "fun" as a universal fits all umbrella term where you shut your brain off and play like a dorklol, a compfag has fun totally "sweating" his ass off once put onto a server via the casual matchmaking system. He doesn't, he's just cracking his knuckles in general direction whilst yarning.>thinks shooting the general direction as heavy against a team is the optimal strategy when playing as said class>blames compfags for ruining the game when that same rule was still being exercised way before they "ruined" the gameuh oh, not looking too good for you pal, your sub 6k hours ass is showing really bad now.>only retort is go back to overbotch
>>745086632Yes. Spies and snipers are my number one priority the moment I sense one. If I catch a glimpse of a spy or sniper within range I'm locking on and not letting go until one of us dies.
>>745065053FPBPCOMPFAGS ARE EVIL INCARNATE
>>745086632Yes, whenever I'm not shooting at a target I think I can kill, I will be paranoid as fuck and check my back frequently (often while still spun up)Minigun > all its sidegrades. Raw TTK is king; just ambush them so they're too close to escape in time and prioritize targets: other heavies first, then soldiers and demos, then pyros and spies close to you, then medics (they always get surprise-killed when I kill their pocket way too fast), then snipers (they arent too threatening when close), then sentry guns, then engineers. All of these when close enough to kill very fast and modified in importance by who's closest, whos actively attacking you / actually threatens killing you). Just dont expose yourself from long distances
>>745087416Cite
>>745064993they made Soldier gay
>>745087498yes
>>745087534He put multiple babies into Heavy's sister lets hear about how you dont have a brother-in-law, maggot.
>>745087395No? My point is you can backstab Heavy when he's shooting at the choke, then you bring up Scout who's """basically""" instakill for Heavy and Heavy loses, even though when you get meatshot you have time to turn around and shoot him back. But if I stab Heavy with an actual instakill he has no time to turn around and shoot back because he's literally dead. But you claim that Spy is less of a counter than Scout somehow. Just say you had a brainfart, it'd be less embarrassing.
>>745079487Sorry buddy, but if you were too low IQ to enjoy CS pre 1.6 or CSS pre-engine update, or TF2 pre F2P, You simply would never understand but hey congrats for settling for mediocrity. Big win thereValve as a company is dead as shit outside of Steam printing tons of money and it is sad that the writing was on the wall when hats got added to TF2 but we did nothing
>>745087397Being least powerful class and being counter to another class are 2 different things. Are you actually that stupid?
>>745087808spy counters nothing and sniper does everything better than spy does.>norm-sniper does everything better than spy does.
>>745087129>play for 3 minutesUsually not. Depends when you join during the match time, which will be random.>everyone leavesMaybe 50% of the time, then new people quickly cone in. And 4v4 is fine for the beginning, if you only play 16v16 you're a fag>have to queue againTakes like 30 seconds to find a match>dogshit matchLike 20% of the time. The matches it puts me into are usually pretty good. Sometimes stacked, but that happened anyway back in the day.And great server browser servers like you mention are (and were) few and far between compared to 24/7 servers, gimmick shit and trade / idle servers. Also they had communities that usually featured terminally online trannies, furries and obnoxious faggots who annoy me in voice chatAnd usually servers with rare custom maps were just empty
>try something different>play demo loch+quickie>never got so much hate and focus fire on meShits fun
>>745087713Scout will threaten Heavy with shots to the back far more often since he is more mobile and won't die to a stray Pyro. Spy is simply too shit of a character to get to close distance unnoticed and get to stab a Heavy.
>>745087808And yet the ultimate counter to spy is turning around, which is something any class can do
>>745087867Spy counters Sniper, and Heavy.>b-but Snoopir is be-...Spy counters Sniper and Heavy.
the final nail in the coffin was when they disabled sprays due to some literal tranny making up shit. it was the last residue of the past good times and they just had to take it away.
>>745087980Good spies come out of the shadows in a beeline for you while you are preoccupied shooting their team, and are only visible (in disguise) for a few seconds before they backstab. It just happens so fast
>>745088116They might've intended for that to be the case, but if they're dying to backstabs in 2026 they're a bigger newfag than you. At least you can be a counter to children, just like in real life.
>>745087980>Spy is simply too shit of a character to get to close distance unnoticed and get to stab a Heavy.
>>745088116lol, lmao
Cosmetic bloat and meet your match
>>745088245>*Turns on game audio*Sweating way too hard
>>745088245Wow what a terrible day to not have in game volume enabled or having a functioning set of ears, NOW spy is useful.
>>745088327Youre supposed to decloak while hes revved/firing so it masks the sound.
>>745088237>If you die you noobIt's not even worth talking to you if that's your ultimate point.
>>745088448So being a counter means that you have agency of some sort. Having to rely on them not hearing you or turning around is a big ask once you start playing against adults
>>745088442>I'm a retard who uncloaks right behind my enemy's back instead of uncloaking behind a wallYou outed yourself as a noob.
I once had a dream that they released TF2 on Switch 2 and PS5/Xbox that was hardlocked at 2012 era TF2, with all cosmetics being tied to achievements
>>745088562>with all cosmetics being tied to achievementsEven in your dreams tf2 manages to be retarded.
>>745064993Cosmetics.
>>745088550Wow, what a terrible day to create a hypothetical scenario in my head where people are playing like complete fucking retards on the opposing team that don't do mandatory checks for people who look suspicious.>muh disgu-lol>muh posit-*uncloaking noise*>muh norm->>T. United states TF2 player with less than 4k hours and plays with other retarded individuals who don't understand the game at alllol
>>745088762>pretending you never die to good spies, especially as heavysee >>745088217
>>745088762Holy sperg out, did I hurt your ego that much by calling you a noob? Kek.
>>745088885You are NOT a good spy
>>745088529ntaI can tell you're not going to concede on this point but even if Heavy had some degree of fight back against spies, there does exist the idea of a soft counter
>>745088885>good sp->sentenced in a way where one has never actually experienced a good spydo you want to know where good spy players actually stem from, it's a little trade secret:they're all from freak fortress 2 servers you knuckle dragging niggeroid.
>>745088937Even 6v6 tournament pros play as spy sometimes. Your "point" is retarded
>>745086315>>745088245>>745088327>>745088442>>745088448>>745088550>>745088762Reminder, the real reason spy doesn't work as a heavy counter is that any heavy worth switching to spy to take out is going to be having a medic with him on voice comm.You aren't backstabbing the medic if he's competent, because medic has no obligation to ever look in any direction, and you aren't backstabbing the heavy because the medic only has to say a one syllable word on his mic and then the heavy will spin 360 and fire away.
>>745064993Bots and valve negligenceeverything else is secondary right now
>spy isn't a heavy counter>despiste valve saying it isstop being retarded and backstab the heavy when he's in combat
>>745088171the tranny / cp stuff was just an excuse. I bet they wanted to sell sprays much like they do in CS2 but the idea was dropped
>>745089000LMAO trust me I know that. Spy's whole job is to get ONE>ONEkill. That's it. He goes in to get a single pick and then he immediately gets gunned down by the entire enemy team all at once. If that's the ceiling for your class, you are the least powerful
>>745089019I think /v/ must simply not play games because what are you people smoking talking about hypotheticals where everyone is a god at the game.Yeah when everyone's a God heavy and medic combo with their minds synced up with ESP spy sucks, but its TF2 where half your team are child soldiers and people are playing with a podcast on and no headphones, spy can stab the god heavy
>>745089019You know you can gun down Medic if he noticed you and stab Heavy later, right? And if he's looking forward and you go for a Heavy kill he doesn't have enough time to warn him of the Spy.
>>745089228>t. sub 3k hours
>>745089228The point is that it becomes a problem when people get good at the game, just in the same way that you can get so good at sniper that he becomes the most annoying class to deal with. Also>Turning around is god level tech
>>745064993Jungle InfernoAnybody not saying that is retardedMeet Your Match is the 2nd worst update
>>745089206how come they didn't notice him from the uncloak sound? I thought pros always can, right? They are gods at the game after all
>>745089265>Gun down medicHow in the fuck would the heavy not notice this unless he's so braindead, you could kill him with a wrap assassin?
>>745088116>Sniper*puts on razorback*>b-but you can just shoot himany good sniper is going to stand near a sentry/teammates and the moment you start shooting he's going to turn around and make it a lot harder for you. even if you get the kill if you die right after you just traded your life for his that's not countering him like engie vs scout or sniper vs heavy.>Heavywhats stopping heavy from checking his back like everyone else? he doesn't have to scope in to do damage.
>>745089265>>745089456he probably meant stab the heavy then gun down the medic. Takes like 3 revolver shots
>>745080060>kino bonus duckslollmao
>>745089447They usually do notice the spy, that's why he rarely ever shows up.
>>745089143>despite valve saying it isI don't think valve have ever actually said that. Even in the entire dev commentary they don't talk about counterplay. They've actually talked more about sniper being good at dealing with heavy.>and backstab the heavy when he's in combat"SPY"[GUNNED DOWN]>>745089228A heavy and medic tearing through the server is precisely the situation you would be considering a spy. It's actually what makes the combo even more effective because it pushes the opposite team to make bad class decisions.>>745089265>You know you can gun down Medic if he noticed you "SPY"[GUNNED DOWN]>>745089496>he probably meant stab the heavy "SPY"[GUNNED DOWN]
>>745089456>*BANG!*>*Bang!*>*cloak*
>>745089493>razorbackThen you just get gunned down. The actual counter to spy on sniper is flicking 180° and blowing his head off
>>745089565>"SPY"wow he noticed the spy first. This is guaranteed of course and not a sign of the spy being a shit player
>>745080060you will play it and buy cosmetics anyway
the actual counter is just the uninstall button you casuls!
>>745089493How often do you see Razorback being used?Heavy does have to take time to rev and shoot his enemies. I've said it like 20 times in this thread.
>>745088217even better spies don't need to beeline, they decloak without having to run across an area because that's time they're exposed.
>>745089705It is when the back you're trying to stab is in view of a class who has no obligation to ever look in any direction.
>>745064993it’s still wildly popular 19 years after release and FTPcan’t ask for more really
>>745089019nigga nobody voice comms anymore
>>745089705Who has to do more in an interaction? The spy the has to cloak into the backline, wait until the right moment, and then make a mad dash to melee range? Or the heavy that has to turn around every few seconds and keep his audio above mute? The point is that the higher you go in skill, the more that specific interaction actually matters. If we're talking about one of them being an idiot, then you could do anything and kill them just by virtue of being better at the game
>he's never heard of a drop stab
>>745089774see >>745088217>>745089771that's no true because you don't immediately notice the disguised player isn't an actual teammate for like 2 seconds and that's all it takes to reach the heavy (who is busy in combat). Even if the teammates notice him in time, they usually cant kill him in time to save the heavy. Of course if he decloaks in plain sight, he is usually killed before he even finishes decloaking
I blame valve at every turn.everything that went wrong with tf2 and is still wrong with tf2 is their fault
>>745089867>Or the heavy that has to turn around every few seconds and keep his audio above mute?the heavy cannot afford to turn around while in the middle of fighting the other team. It makes him lose and die. See >>745089143
>>745089950>Good spies come out of the shadows in a beeline for you while you are preoccupied shooting their teamHow did you manage to point to a post that ignores the entire point? The medic is the one class who is never preoccupied.
>>745090061If we're talking casual+ (highlander) then you have a dedicated pyro on spy checking duty, and if it's a normal game with randos then the fight probably isn't that important
>>745089746>How often do you see Razorback being used?all the fucking time and it makes me seethe on medic not being able to overheal them.>Heavy does have to take time to rev and shoot his enemies. I've said it like 20 times in this thread.I don't have any trouble spychecking on heavy. I take my sweet ass time staying revved as much as possible. Unless I am having to hard carry I am rarely so distracted I never have time to check my back and even if a spy does backstab me he's now a sitting duck standing in front of all my teammates.
>>745090068the medic is less likely to notice in time than This is all a retarded argument because you are assuming both teams are all gregors and that's almost never the case when you just play the game from server browser or matchmaking. 95% of players do not have this experience>>745090194>spy checking dutywaste of a teammate, and you're assuming he's always close to the spy's target. Pyro sucks too, in general
>>745065452They should never make a TF3.
This thread made me wanna hop on TF2 now, too bad I don't have enough disk space on my laptop to install it. If only this game's size wasn't bloated with billions gazillions of trash cosmetics made by furry pedophiles.
>>745090325This entire fucking conversation wouldn't matter if we were talking about playing against ericcartman2008
>>745079079>F2Ps still can't use global chat.They can in community servers.
>>745090342I agree it's bloated but 30gb is way smaller than similar titles out there.
The game is going to be 20 years old soon. Even if it is one of the best games ever made, so is UT2004 but now that franchise is mismanaged and dead tooTF2 is still alive but only on the merit that is easily one of the top 5 most influential games of all time
>>745090476It's as much as payday 2 now
>>745079124We are in the golden age right now.
>>745090476Still, could've WAY less. There's always room for improvement, no matter the thing.
>>745090043I'd like to blame the Emporium but Valve still gave them the keys
>>745090502>PayDay 2 is 80+ gigsYeah, checks out.
>>745090476and that's a problem. games do not need to be 30GB
>>745090594it's getting a file size reduction with an upcoming engine updatetf2 needs to do the same and cut most maps released after 2018 because of how unpopular they are in casual
>>745080286>>745080284>>745089514A friend gave me their duck item when I started playing in 2015 because he quit. It was actually pretty kino to use on Halloween.Anyways I was younger back then, some jeet scammed me for it and that's how I learned that nigerian princes don't want to transfer funds into my account.>>745089709Yes. I recently bought the batsaber off the steam market. Good luck convincing the whales to stop opening the crates.
>>745090486The market is gonna go under at some point but I really don't want to sell my australium
>>745090486>so is UT2004 but now that franchise is mismanaged and dead tooUT99 mogs
>>745087187i remember when meet the pyro dropped and i waited my brother to come home to watch it together
>>745090325>the medic is less likely to notice in time thanNo he's the one most likely to notice precisely because he isn't preoccupied. Do you not know how easy it is to be fully observant when you're never required to look in any direction? Whenever a medic gets backstabbed he was not playing comeptantly.
Anyway if you are not using cl_first_person_uses_world_model 1, you are gay
In 2015 some fag made a GTA5 noclip mod that I downloaded that set up a virus thing on my computer and it sold all my old hats
>>745092073r_drawviewmodel 0
>>745092073>rocketjump>cannot see my targets because my dick is in the way againFirst person mode is a fun gimmick while drunk though
>>745064993Valve pivoting towards cybersports and old team devs leaving. They realised there are more players playing CS and Dota 2, therefore there is more opportunity to sell crates. And those love their cybersports, so there is more money from tournaments as well. >inb4 mah hatsIf it weren't for hats TF2 would be dead even sooner.
I still don't want to believe that the bot issue was fixed by a contractor.>>745090776based weenfag
>>745089447you can bury the uncloak under explosion sounds, when things get hectic and comms are full you can usually get away with a decloak. also going behind a corner/prop lowers decloak volume. that being said he is barely played for a reason it usually isnt hard to keep track of the enemy team and a spy can get called without even leaving cloak because a missing body will be felt
valve letting the community make their maps and cosmetics for them
>>745092893Now I know what I'm gonna be doing this Friday.
>>745074316Instead, L4D2 will continue being the best zombie game ever.
>>745088448Anyone that has over 200 hours in heavy knows spy timings.
>>745065187Beat me to it.
>>745092073I use transparent viewmodels.
>>745094231Their maps are better than valve maps.
>>745095081Definitely not.
>Join casual>Last about to be capped>Again>Map change>Half of server AFK>Empty server>Last just capped>Spawn camping>Round over
hats and lootboxes. anything else mentioned was already post-decline so isn't relevant
>>745095191Incorrect.
>>745064993People will say that death came with the meet your match update, but the truth is actually that it died when it went free2play. It wasn't an immediate death, but rather it was a slow and painful death as if by a cancer. Any time you open the floodgates to all is when a game really dies.
>>745094231Valve's map makers cannot compare to the sheer amount of manpower in the mapmaking community.These are the same people that thought hydro would be the hottest commodity that players would play endlessly,The last maps that valve made were all for mannpower, asteroid, cactus canyon, mann vs machine, and powerhouse.There's zero chance the game would have survived with only 6 maps. User created maps are the lifeblood of source and goldsrc games, and most of the best maps arent their handiwork.
Quickplay is never coming back. Valve doesn't want their players to go out of their esport ecosystem. Just look at CS2, volvo DIDN'T WANT to add an in-game community browser.
>>745086872>but i also got kicked for being "f2p" by some nigs that most likely started playing after i quitI tend to take off my cosmetics and this happened to me once. People take cadual way too fucking seriously.
>>745064993Pyro airblast not being lag compensated, which means no way to reliably punish soldier or demo spam.With compensation, we would probably have gotten autistic players dedicated to send back every rockets with a rythm game like precision.
I wish TF2 never gets ported to Source 2.
>>745096417and it won't, you don't need to wish for something that isn't going to happen.
>>745095379JUST WAIT BRO>Wait for the game to find the map you like>Wait for the map to load >Wait for the players to join>Wait for pre-setup time>Wait for setup time>Wait for the game to find more players after some leave>Wait for the map vote>Wait for the server to resetJUST WAIT
>>745095638sadly most people who discuss tf2 on /v/ are those who never bought the game
>>745064993It had run its course.Nothing lasts forever.
>>745096781>Shoot himself in the foot>"Well, it wasn't meant to be........"
>Still crying about f2p
>Hay guise I'm a really 4 real oldfage>Valve is stealing all the players from my e-dad Zesty's TF2 server but also nobody plays TF2 and the game is dead and also I totally played TF2 in 2004 Valve has to force people to be my friend and also they have to pay Zesty a million zillion dollars that the people that make maps are stealing from him.
>>745096953what the fuck are you talking about
>>745097276This thread every time for the past 5 years at minimum.
>>745096953
>>745064993Do not listen to the competitive community unless the bones of your game are built for a competitive environment.Valve following pros suggestion is as retarded as Terraria balancing weapons for PVP.
>>74509083899 is good too but 2004 is better, more weaponry variety and maps
>>745096953>t. emporiumcuck having a melty
>>745090519this, only transphobes and chuds hate casual
>>745097369yeah, instead they should listen to the hat collectors
>>745081412>we couldn't have done any of this without you>[image of tumblrified dadbods + non-canon characters in a cozy-core x-mas asking a gooner with a ghastly gibbus and an alien swarm facehugger to sit down and enjoy some aunt's wine and a club sandwich]Imagine how many developers of the source engine retired or even died by the time this comic series ended.
>>745095638>dude the game died when it was revived from dyingimagine being this much of a retard, boomers should just hang themselves.
>>745097369Any game with a winner and a loser can be played competitively. Regardless of the amount of skill necessary or house rules to cultivate healthy competition You could play Russian roulette competitively if everyone could agree on some rules.
>>745096953Zesty had a point but he still is a whiny bitch. When he's wrong its very abrasive how unapologetic he is
>>745090776TF2 market is already dead, it takes years to sell an unusual to someone who isn't a shark trader. Australiums keep going down on prices, shit is gonna hit the fan anytime soon once big traders realize they can't squeeze more money out of stupid people and money launderers will look somewhere else. Just check backpack.tf, there are more than 50k+ unusuals unsold not counting weapons, taunts and everything else on 3rd party markets and steam community. I can guarantee you, there aren't 50k buyers.
>>745098582The new australiums we're totally going to get with the mvm update are definitely going to save the tf2 market!!! Valve literally can't mess this up!!
>1 minute in and still loading every reply>I have fibre-optic internet
>>745098272Zesty has no point, especially after the Steam Multiplayer update let anyone put up their own server from in game with whatever rules they want without having to fuck around with port forwarding or setting up a dedicated server.Without that he's just ineffectually whining that he doesn't like that the people making cosmetics and maps are getting paid by Valve.Which playing on or wearing is entirely optional and the same>Valve designed the game wrong update it to remove sniper so I never get headshot >:(Which is literally the same shit that Youtubers and compfags were whining about through gunmettle through jungle inferno where a bunch of shit was completely b0rked because some retard whined.
>>745064993I don't remember if MYM killed off the fun servers like surfing and balloon races, or if those servers were already dead from old age at that point. Other than MYM I will always dislike the non-thematic cosmetics. TF2's 1950s aesthetic offers a lot of potential, you can make 100 different cosmetics and keep them all loosely 1950s looking. Other than those 2 complaints, not much has gone wrong with TF2. It's 20 years old and its been neglected for 15 years and it's still probably the most fun multiplayer FPS on the market.
I won't take "le artstyle" seriously when even valve made some melon headed bitch in expiration date.
>>745099993>melon headed bitch justifies adding some of the most swarthy cosmetics to vanilla to kill class recognitionwhatever its done anyways, but the less of these shitty troon oc cosmetics the betterthey should have an option to disable cosmetics in vanilla
>>745079079>As a result, TF2 fails to retain new players past the 100 hour mark most of the time.100 hours is already lot.
>>745098582Theres 50k unusuals and most of them are dog shit effects on dog shit hats with only the best of the best either being super expensive or none being for sale at all.I wanted the MF Doom hat for demo with the drunkard effect and 7 exist and not a single one is for sale anywhere. Drunkard is not even some top tier flashy effect either it just fits the hat and class.
>>745100869>design = artstyleThe argument you should make is >>745099379Promotional items like ear buds and L4D2 shit are fine since they're the exception, let's not be autistic here.But something that just exists like the banana hat and the game boy, both of which have nothing to do with the characters, themes or promotional is a waste of slot and it clashes the aesthetic and theme of the game. I can take "realistic" or "cartoonish" shit in TF2 with no problem, but you must respect it's setting or else you're ending like shitnite.
>>745099243zesty is correct that TF2's costume consistency has been completely fucked over in the last 5 to 7 years and the mere fact several cosmetic convos completely fucks over class recognition and team colors only supports this
>>745097276he is mad zesty points out the most obvious shit such as>the games artstyle being fucked>the matchmaking being fucked>the majority of the games player stats are just afk bots>the general neglect valve has for the gamebut he can't actually argue so just has schizo episodes where he tries to claim its just a pysop to get people to play on his server or something retarded
>>745099243You are wrong.
tf2 is truly an amazing game. I had the pleasure to play it when the orange box was released and i go back to it time to time, usually around Christmas. People can't appreciate good stuff anymore.
>>745102949oh it's that guy who thinks for some reason zesty would gain absolute control of the game if casual was reverted
>>745103365pretty much
>>745064993Nothing, the game is 500 years old.
>>745103651weren't there rumors about a port to source2 engine?
>>745065053I haven't played in 7 years (no reason just life or moving on) and absolutely this. Some purists will say when hats got added but no way over this
>>745102358What cosmetic combos actively stop you from knowing what team the enemy is on aside from the obvious pyro set which i barely see that often to begin with. Maybe people like zesty and his sheep are just fucking blind? The wolfenstein armor on heavy covers up part of his body thats all i can think of. If we're talking halloween cosmetics then the entire discussion is retarded thats the entire point of halloween.
the only real problem I have with modern pub tf2 is that 2 rounds is entirely too short to enjoy a map. Most of everything else is negligible. I'm not nearly as annoyed as when it was peak botting or irritating trash like Dr. Enforcicle
>>745103896>tyler mcnigger
>>745104401Zesty isn't well informed about the fact that halloween cosmetics were already pushing boundaries far before whatever happened to the "art style direction". hell you could make some really ugly loadouts already way back then but since he's a pearl clutching retard who thinks it was better way before the "emporium" had their hands deep into the workshop scene, you could again make utterly dogshit loadouts that were really fucking ugly but now instead of being halloween restricted you can be abhorrent all year around.
>>745064993>letting community make and design content like equips>locking equips behind achievements>lootboxes>hats>lack of modern matchmaking then a terrible late implementation of it>making cringeworthy multimedia shit beyond the TF2 Meet the "" update videos>not blanket banning all trannies and faggots>never released TF3 on source 2 and that will never happen
>>745104401It was always a retarded complaint because the spy existsEveryone already has a radar for identifying when a "team mate" is an enemy.
>>745104863>>letting community make and design content like equips>>locking equips behind achievementsyou don't play the game, fuck off.
>>745105020nobody does anymore but don't go around lying bro
put dispenser here
Zesty Jesus is a loser with god complex who screams at the community for the crimes of Valve, the same Valve who thought that MyM and bumper cars were a good idea.
>>745104746Yup heres one i just put together with cosmetics that are all before 2012. You could absolutely look out of place and ugly but all these e-celebs only started playing the game during gun mettle so of course theyre low IQ.
>>745106527Bumper cars were a good idea
>>745106631The controls are dogshit tho
>>745094357The Last Stand Update ruined L4D2.
>>745106687I disagree, but I can rocket jump.
>>745106527He blames both sides equally. He makes a 4 hour video just shitting on Valve for MyM, then calls out the workshop for trying to put Prop Hunt in casual mode amongst all the other bloat they contribute.
>>745106921Freeze Tag should get in for smissmas because i love arena mode and its never coming back.
>>745106921It was the same shit that he was whining about with VSH and Zombie Infection except worse because he was so myopically focused on>THIS CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE I'LL LOOK LIKE A RETARD FOR SAYING THERE'S NO NEW GAME CONTENTHe couldn't even point to any of the actual issues with how the prophunt vscript was made like how you were stuck with the base playermodel size and shape and there was like no randomization of props in the map.
>>745107185And zombies is fun and is only during halloween so hes a fag.
Which way, white man?
>>745106921anon I'm gonna blow your mind here: The workshop is used for file hosting. The game has built in hooks so that server hosts always have the most-current version of the map and they can simply point connecting clients to the workshop page to download it instead of needing to host and distribute the files themselves. This is how MOST games on steam use the workshop.The financial incentive to get things into the game is entirely a Valve phenomenon with their own products.Zesty is getting his anus penetrated by an imaginary stick because he thinks that people wanting to use the workshop for workshop functions is actually LE EVIL CONSPIRACY TO GET PAID. he's getting worked up of an imagined worst-case scenario and he should chill the fuck out instead of assuming the entire world is out to get him.Maybe he'd know this if he actually used the fucking feature to play custom maps on servers that he hosts.
You now remember Phoneyland
>>745107426>white man
>>745064993appealing to compfags
>>745107652What happens if phoneyland gets in one day. Will e-celebs kill themselves?
People sleep on the Quickiebomb Launcher but those charged shots are nasty at mid range man.One well placed shot and it does more damage than a direct hit with the grenade launcher.
>>745108025I get a kick out of instantly deleting minis with a single sticky.
For me it's Melee Heavy and spamming Dispenser Here, it only works on people once but it's funny when they just assume you're friendly and let you get close to start swinging
>>745064993genuinely why do people think the f2p update ruined it at all? The only 2 arguments are A) noobs flood and the game is less challenging, which during 2011 community servers easily bypass'd this short transitional period of noobs flooding in. and B) the culture changed but this argument makes no sense, do you really think the playerbase' culture changed to a meaningful degree just because there was no longer a $20 price attached to entry? it wouldve ended up largely the same way over time.
>>745065370This
>>745096781Also this. Even without MYM, it had maybe five extra years left.
>>745107426>adjustable ping limitcould easily be added to quickplay>search for multiple gamemodescould also be added to quickplay>search for specific mapditto yet again>slot reservationshould only be added to quickplay to make joining the same server with your party of friends easier (basically only reserve slots for you and your friends when joining)
>>745109385I feel the same way about Mannconomy, which people also cite as the downfall. Issues like the economy and server culture are secondary. I'd argue that everything between Gun Mettle and Jungle Inferno was much more destructive because it made lasting negative impacts on the game itself (matchmaking, weapon nerfs).
>>745107759People will play it for 3 days and it will be forgotten forever.hey remember Aquarius?
>>745109385Contrarians LARP as le oldfag who bought the orange box
Why don't you faggots play on the party/v/an server every weekend?You are all a bunch of dipshit poseurs
>>745109385People just want a clean break to point to even though reality is that just about every update brought good and bad. That said meet your match probably brought the most bad and least good of the updates
>>745109921I queue for Aquarius cause its fun to play pyroshark on it which i cant say for the majority of maps in the game.
>>745110198Because all the retarded unnecessary plugins overload the game's sound channels and the game is completely muted after being on it for 2 minutes
>>745109385Because they burnt out their pretend to be an oldfag shit back in 2014 and never mentally moved on and have no concept for how retarded it is to point to people from back then.
>>745109787>>slot reservation>should only be added to quickplay to make joining the same server with your party of friends easier (basically only reserve slots for you and your friends when joining)not even that. ad-hoc removes the necessity for parties entirely.
Add back auto scramble and dont let more than 3 people queue together in a party. Cheaters still abuse kicking randoms cause of the party system so maybe get rid of it entirely if you wont have quickplay return for adhoc.
>>745065053MYM is the inevitable. Gun Mettle has already set the stage that compfaggotry will influence the game.
>>745110805The worst feature of the update, casual mode, wasn't strictly the fault of compfags. Few if any people asked for the entire pub experience to be reworked. Valve set up a beta just to contain comp as a separate mode, then made their own decision to butcher quickplay without warning.
>>745109787pretty sure the random function for quickplay already searched for multiple gamemodes
>>745110198party/v/an is more to fuck around. I respect that but I just like playing regular matches.
The game was brutalized by Meet Your Match but honestly I've been getting back into it and if you just queue for Upward and Badwater it's like 90% the same as old times.
>>745109385the real issue with that update is how lazily unbalanced almost all of the weapons were, and there were a ton of them.of the initial launch only the market gardener and disciplinary action was fine, everything else was horrid dogshit (both underpowered and overpowered) for years until later updates touched them up.
>other tf2 thread pruned on page 10oh no no no no
>>745111673This but you also queue for a cheeky session of Banana Bay
pootis TAKE THAT
>>745111809poot-and THIS
>>745109860Mannconomy was a dooming confirmation of how scummy valve were going to become as game developers.
>>745110198Sounds like a clique to me
>>745110198I do play sometimes it's just that the burnout gets to me and I'm usually playing something else during the weekends.
>>745110685you can still get screwed over by other random players joining before your friends cana system where it only reserves slots for your party when joining would prevent this from happening
!votekick >>745111986
>>745110198i spent the majority of my tf2 hours on the original partyvan and i know you guys aren't the originalswhenever i check your server it's sitting at like 5/24, that just reminds me of the original when it was dyingthose days aren't ever coming back
>>745113669>whenever i check the serveryou are a lying faggot, the player count hasn't been limited to 24 for yearsyou are literally lying to doompost and force your own agendathere were 40+ people playing on it just this Saturdayfucking kill yourself
>>745113868that is, whenever i see your circlejerk thread, i am reminded the server exists and then sometimes, maybe 2 times ever, i checked the server browser and it's empty or not responding. i don't remember your maxplayer count because i've never played on itrepost the IP. if it's always down because it's hosted off your home router then i'm not interested, those servers are always dogshit.i only ever liked partyvan because it wasn't a tryhard server and you could micspam, but also because you didn't need to fucking post an LFG on 4chan to have it regularly fill up.
