[Devastating News] Japanese gacha industry is collapsing. According to a new report from Japanese research firm Teikoku Databank, Japan’s mobile and gacha industry might just be approaching its breaking point. With 10 operator bankruptcies confirmed between January and July 2026. This surge sharply surpasses the three bankruptcies recorded in 2025 and is on pace to beat the historical record of 12 cases from 2015.-Over half (51.7%) of bankrupt operators in the last five years had less than ¥10 million (~$63,000) in capital.-Small studios are collapsing after major game companies suddenly withdraw from development deals.-Shifting from browser games to 3D graphics and full voice acting has pushed initial costs to hundreds of millions of yen.-Continuous demands for updates and steep cloud server costs create massive post-launch maintenance burdens.- Well-funded Chinese and South Korean companies are capturing the domestic Japanese market with high-budget hits like Honkai: Star Rail and NIKKE.- Long-running legacy titles and established IPs crowd the charts, forcing even top-tier Japanese games to fight aggressively to stay visible.- Studios like Ambition filed for bankruptcy immediately after ending services, leaving players with unused paid items and no refunds.https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000001404.000043465.html
>>745068010serves them righthahahhahahahaha
>>745068010Based.
(Tourettes Guy voice) I DONT GIVE A SHIT!!
Basically, Genshin Impact exploded and raised the bar so high, the cheap Japanese companies were forced to make proper video games now instead of garbage low quality chibi auto battlers. Japans refusal to evolve and progress has always been their biggest weakness.
>>745068010>Well-funded Chinese and South Korean companies are capturing the domestic Japanese market with high-budget hits like Honkai: Star Rail and NIKKE.I mean who didn't expect this? the project they put out with some exceptions just aren't very good. I guess the issue is they were only interested in targeting one type of market and now that market has been absorbed by other countries with more ambitious game devs. outside FGO and UMA I really cannot recall the last time the japs had a relevant gacha. maybe HBR for YURI gooners but even that is struggling to stay afloat. Tribe nine eos'd in 3 months.Even atlus went with a chinese studio for their persona gacha instead of japanese.
>>745068010>Please be doing the needful and the giving of attention to my article!!!>t. Saaardharta F. Rasidi
>>745068010>["Devastating" News] Japanese gacha industry is collapsing.
>>745068010Unironic skill issue desu, their gachas are all ass
time to make real games
>>745068173Their PC and live service games too. Majority of Japanese devs only knows how to make cheap console games and visual novels. They cannot compete against Chinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNwpdIYiSM
>Make gachas that are censored to shit>No one plays themWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>745068010Now that Yen has lots its value, one would think jap gatcha would be able to sell gacha at lower price compared to korean mobile companies. Also japs have the advantage of porn being illegal in China and Korea both, they could just make a porn gatcha and capture the market their chink and korean rivals can't.
>>745068138They've had more than half a decade to adjust and come up with something new but nopeRested on their laurels now the entire market, and a major source of their countries income is taken away by gooks and chinks
Why doesn't everyone involved with gacha shit work together creating their own studios with real fanservice games like back then and just tell most banks or any kind of investors to fuck off?
>>745068010This is what happens when you insist on focusing only on Japan. You can't rely on Japanese people's ignorance and poor standards forever. It may have taken longer than for the entire rest of the developed world, but even they\re now realizing that there are much better games out there.
>>745068313Japs have for some reason been self censoring like crazy during the recent years.
I mean, who didn't expect that? Japanese gacha are somehow even worse as games than gacha that is replacing them. They are mobile autobattler tier.
>>745068416How will they make money?
>>745068416that market already exists and is saturated, those games are jp exlusive
>Oh look it's another chinkshill thread>looks at the clock>primetime GMT+8 Every single time.
>>745068010>High budgetGames with stolen assets from Japanese games like Zelda and Monster Hunter to hasten development
>>745068416They'll still get regulated either way right?Wasn't there a Jap thing about swimsuits or something?
>>745068416Monster Strike earns more than your average Mihoyo game. Notice how it's not on the meme sensortower website. Really makes you think.
>>745068474You can blame Americans interfering for that.
>mobile slopWhy not build your castle on quicksand?... Or foids' emotional swings?... Predicting the weather, perhaps?
>>745068010>SidhartaEverytiem
>>745068138Pretty sure Genshin shut down a few years ago, something about a patch being cancelled indefinitely and then the game just fucking off for a new one. I'm not sure how a dead game relates to this.
>>745068520it's not like Nintendo is using those assets anyway
>>745068010Isn't the horse girl gacha one of the most popular gacha on the planet right now?
>you might live to see mobile gachaniggery implode
>>745068139>maybe HBR for YURI gooners but even that is struggling to stay afloat.It's dying, yes. Financially, WFS crippled it last year in much the same way Nexon crippled BA last month, and the story will end with the next chapter so that's basically a soft EOS in the making.
>>745068540>Monster Strike earns more than your average Mihoyo gameLmao you wish
>>745068482Sell in stores like back then or use their own site's processor. Don't give those subhuman faggots any kind of power.
>>745068010>written by Sidharta F. Rasidi
>>745068629literal cope.
>>745068610It's been slowly but steadily dropping in popularity and earnings.
>>745068619China dominates gacha. The OP is a nothingburger for the overall market
>>745068010The reason it is happening is because the companies destroy the games when the lose profitability, which trains players to not invest in future titles. They destroy the mindset that created the boom in the first place.MMORPGs learned this years ago, which is why they almost never close them anymore.
>>745068010Good morning saars.
>>745068580That's Star Rail, they had a Japan region and then Japan openly supported Taiwan.
>>745068010>GachashitWe hate those here!... vns won~
>"Studios ending services, leaving players with unused paid items and no refunds">paying microtransactions fordigital items>even worse, paying microtransactions to have THE CHANCE of having a digital itemI hope they learned the Iesson, when a online game with digital items shuts down you lose everything, hundreds of bucks gone. I don't know what compels people to do this and i have no sympathy for them when things likes this happens.
>>745068580>Genshin shut down a few years agotime traveler or mental retardation, call it
Offline gacha version soon never ever
>>745068742I miss Atri.
>>745068718guess what Japan likes sovereign state over some anime titties, they are smarter than CHYNA, slaves of Israel.
>>745068580Bro can you tell me about the future? Is rewinding cadence good?Do any of the gacha i play EoS?
>>745068789Too much effort for a one time purchase.
>>745068686chinese gaming is a nothing burger for anyone that doesn't like Gacha. only their rare indie drops are worth anything.
>>745068010>Japanesenoooooo not Japan->gacha industry uhh shrugs
>>745068010Maybe they should actually try expanding instead of feeding the same cheap slop to the same tired audience.
there's a lot of talent in japan that could easily surpass china/SK but the money is in the hands of absolutely bumfuck retarded old executives without enough younger people being allowed to take full charge based on the needs of modern audiences (in terms of tastes and desires, not wokeness if that was your first thought)even premium/non-gacha japanese development is suffering from this, I think
>>745068796All of /v/ do be missing Atri-chan
>>745068870Honestly I don't play it becasue I don't want an open world f2p mmo gacha.But where the winds meet isn't a bad game. So china can make compotent from slop, I guess the issue is gacha is just the money multiplier so why make anything else.
>>745068941The anime really cut so much.
Good japanese gacha exist. I've seen them.
>>745068925THEN FUCKING MAKE A NEW STUDIO OR COMPANY WITHOUT ANY OF THEM
>Gachaoh no
>>745068962Didn't watch it yet... but I remember seeing some clips and gifs from it and they seemed shockingly high value... how hard is it to adapt a 10 hours vn into a 12 episode anime?... it should be easy, no?... ,-,
>>745069025think about where they're supposed to get the money from anon...you'll just have to stick to japanese indies/dlsites for now
A wise man once saidEvolve or die
>>745068610lmao no, you mistook a /v/ bubble for global appeal
>>745068925I don't think they can make good projects anymore. I think the problem is they've lost first mover advantage.Any product they make has to>Convince new players to leave old games>Have a good budget>Be willing to go months without making large returns to develop and improve the gameIf jap investors see that the game isn't a mega hit they just pull the plug.They're coasting on anime licensed games but eventually SK or China will figure out how to make anime and just out do them there also.
>written by Sidharta F. RasidiPlease do the needful and redeem my artiqel saars I am serius jornalist!!!11
>>745068950>compotent??? the fuck nigger speak human. its "competent", chinese are driven by greed and blame capitalism for their country's failure when their corruption (greed) rates are the highest. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>745069145elaborate
>>745068010i think china and south korea should really stop gloating about how big their gacha games are because it just solidifies the notion that they can only imitate the surface level appeal of anime and manga to make low brow shit with it while remaining non-entities to anyone that isnt stuck in gacha hellchina and korea will never make something as impactful as mobile suit gundam or final fantasy 7, their only talent is otaku that know how to imitate moe aesthetics
>>745069118god i was thinking of tribe nine when i was typing all that but i didnt want to say it outrightif only they werent so fucking retarded and actually marketed it
Gacha is retarded shit even in this thread you can see the “good” is just goonershit, maybe they should just hire hentai artists and keep it just tame enough for Apple/Google to be willing to list it
>>745069025Most japs are incapable of independent thinking. And even then, new studio cannot easily get funding.>>745069118>SK or China will figure out how to make anime and just out do them there also.They already did. Work is being offloaded to chinese studios and some non-japanese titles and webtoons are already getting their own adaptations.
>>745069118China sort of alraedy figured out how to make animated toons (they were most of the "out-sourced" animators for American studios back in the day for cheap work force.) historically speaking, Korea hasn't cared for 2D other than vidya due to limitations: but more 3D and physical comedy type of shit.
>>745069025They did though didn't you read the OP?>Over half (51.7%) of bankrupt operators in the last five years had less than ¥10 million (~$63,000) in capital.
>>745068138Pretty much this.Japs discovered a golden mine then refused to do anything with it for YEARS AND YEARS.FGO was the undeniable king of gacha for years and did they ever improve the game? Fucking no lol it's mostly the same shit.Chinks actually made some high budget gachaslop.
>>745069039They literally solved the Atri diary drama in like 2 episodes(?). They also cut the whole Natsuki wanting to run and hide in Eden.Kinda sucks since the story's pretty short.
>>745069191they got a thing called "red packet" bribe system basically, its gift giving tradition where you bribe the local governing officer with money first and then they tell you can do whatever you want as long as they receive whatever amount they seem agreeable as long as the thing you are doing doesn't cause problems to their rank (political tension, risk of exposure to higher ups etc.) its a very stupid system, China is basically the most nepotistic shithole you could ever live at.
>>745068010Do not redeem saar!!No Hoyoslop detected in this chart. And Jap gachas have their own turf, steam and DMM, while no Chink gachas exist in steam. And only chinkslop here are Youtube AD scams like last war and white out survival. Doesn't Japanese game get advantage in steam while Chinks and gooks cannot be dominant in steam? And Jap gacha can have bikinis aside from GKmas and Umamusume. While Korean and Chinese gacha cannot. BA, Nikke, Hoyoslop lack proper bikini.
>>745069196>china and south korea should really stop gloating about how big their gacha games are because it just solidifies the notion that they can only imitate the surface level appealAnon doesn't know that the entire Japanese culture is originally Chinese...
>>745068580>Pretty sure Genshin shut down a few years agoToday I will remind them
>>745068010But Jap gacha is dominant in steam as Chink and Gookslop cannot be dominant in Steam tho. Any Chink gacha in Steam?
I swear I have read this same thread 57 times already, kill whoever wrore that article, let gachas fucking die already, thing is, where else can we get tits and ass, because western games sure as fuck are fighting tooth and nail to keep putting the ugliest manjawed body type B garbage bags they can.
>>745069025Doesn't matter, they have a solid doujin game scene. No need to impress gaijin with Final Fantasy 7!2.0 (3.0?). Their gacha was a mere diversion and the higher-ups were reluctant to even translate because "ehh the dialogue is really cringe".
>>745069315Sounds a lot like india
>>745069403>where else can we get tits and assPorn games
>>745069268I think with FGO the problem is that originally it was made with a shorter lifespan in mind, so they never really put in opportunity to expand to the game itself. When it turned out to be a huge fucking success, they were left with a very limited scope of how they can add new shit to the game because it wasn't built for it.
>>745069358the tables have turned post ww2, you know something is wrong when there are more people that know the water margin by the name suikoden because of the jrpg and when there are more people that played sangoku musou before touching a chinese adaptation of the novel
>>745069403Yeah. Jap gacha gets advantage on steam where Chink and gookslops cannot be dominant. No Chink gacha in steam!! And maplestory isn't gacha.
Classic market saturation dynamics
>>745069384Most gacha just use their own client so they don't need to give gayben money.
>>745069452someone post that one drymouthed shinji with the balding woman with giant tits, have you seen porn games? they look like they were made by ratboygenius, I want some dignified anime titties, not Baldi's Basic Bitchtits.
>>745069441the worst thing is everyone is doing it to the higher ups as well and whenever there's a party purge as a new Chairman gets announced its always only the opposition that gets exposed for wrong doing, never the side that supports the current status quo to pretend something gets done.
>>745069501But can Chink gacha advance to steam? Steam is mostly for Jap and Western games. No Chink gacha in steam.
>>745069501The studio that works on the game is bordernline incompetent, remember how SEGA gave them loads of money and they made some unplayable garbage?Nasu is lazy faggot, Takeuchi is even more lazy, they also don't wanna hire any competent writers and just lets their retarded friends to write most of the story who can't write for shit.
>>745069512>>745069384>>745069348Bikinischizo, in JP steam, there is ZZZ and WuWa. The only japanese gacha there is master duel because it's fucking yugioh.https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/JP
>>745069538Was Jap gacha advancing to steam more like fleeing to Gaben cavern like coward?
>>745069590By whom?Play good games you doofus.
>>745069403Gacha is already getting cucked left and right by the exact same faggotry anyways. We need to stop following these rules instead of just fucking crushing shareholders completely.
It will always be funny to me that chink and gook devs have to get nip VAs for their gachas because even they know everyone wants to hear jap instead of their ugly dog languages
>>745069603Heavens burns red was first gacha to join the steam though.
>>745069630Rance has shitty outdated animations.
>>745069676And better gameplay than all of gachaslop combined
>>745069118Some are doing so well they are just living off of people's good will. This is the ultimate nips gachadev wet dream.
>>745069603eFootball is Japanese
>>745069627Yea it suggests that losing a % of so future profit is better than trying to run an advertising campaign.
>>745069672Most gacha players however, play in english dubbing anyway.Also, this benefits both parties. Gachas are another healthy source for seiyuu who don't have any work in between anime seasons.
>>745069598Oh I am quite aware that the studio can be really fucking stupid. It probably comes from them being a new one to the business which is why they were chosen for FGO to begin with. Then they figured that they had all this shit figured out because they made FGO and it was a megahit, so that Sakura Wars game they made was an utter disaster because it didn't work out like that again. I won't bother to defend them too hard, they dug up those holes all by themselves and now have to deal with their bad decisions. The only thing I will say is that I do pity their current workforce, because FGO is still a big success even if it's not the juggernaut it once was, so they still need to work on the game while from the looks of it, it's a nightmare trying to find anyone new to come work for the studio because the game is such ancient bullshit that having it on your CV doesn't really mean anything in the modern era.
>>745068010how the fuck do you bankrupt 30 millions monthly gain for a fucking PNG ? seem like everyone involde should be prosecuted for fraud
>>745069672I mean they have already ripped off the art style, might as well
>>745068010>medium that literally prints more money than any conventional videogame>bankrupcyHow?
So they learned nothing from what happened with K-pop. Japanese poo could've been big thing abroad, but they were too content with playing in their own little island and now even japs listen to Koreans.
>>745069712Is steam not the best platform for gaming?
>>745069502So contradicting your original statement?
>>745068010Japan should be happy anyone still chooses to spend on their shit when this is what they're offering.
>>745069824CEO paycheck of 15 quadrillions of $, please understando
>>745068010Not surprising in the least. I still play a few jap gachas out of sunk cost but they're all absolute trash compared to the chinese ones I play such as arknights. All the jap ones do is spam outdated """gameplay""" where they powercreep shit every few weeks, then have half yearly resets where they invalidate literally the entire game. Then repeat this formula until the game stops making enough money to justify the costs. They also always fuck up buffing older releases, even when a old unit isn't something they'll do again and is the ideal partner for the new shit they're trying to sell they'll still make the buffs mid. As for the gameplay it's best described as either braindead or dicerolls where the game tells you to go fuck yourself if you didn't pull this weeks new 0.35% unit that'll be irrelevant in two weeks time.Meanwhile arknights, a simple humble tower defence game, has actual gameplay worth a shit and isn't just a glorified slot machine that only survives because it's leeching off one of the most popular IPs known to man. The gacha has hard spark systems galore so the player can ALWAYS get what they want with enough patience, and while there is power creep it's usually not as simple as numbers going up but rather newer units just flat out doing new things mechanically and over time naturally leading you to adopt newer styles of play. Not to say chink gachas are amazing games, compared to proper games they're still just time wasters you do while taking a shit, but they're leagues better than the trash japan puts out and it's no surprise japs are getting btfo'd. They deserve it too because when given the choice to adapt or die they've chosen to die.
>>745069630https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfLCuHSZ-UI only know that green suited guy is posted around, no idea who he is, here's ratboygenius.
>>745069830they wanted J-Pop to be protected from western influence on its dress style and format, please understand they did the right thing. just look at Sony when you do the opposite.
>>745069748Maybe they should burn it to the ground and make a new game like GFL did.FGO has been a living corpse for like 5 years or so and I say that as a fatefag who read/played most of the series. Hell I was a day one FGO player.
>>745069863>buys racecourse and a bunch of racehorsesSmall business expense. Prease understando.
>>745069750>>745069824If Jap gacha are garbages worse than concord, how to explain pic rel? Genshin isn't considered "national game" even in China. And Japs doesn't consider any Chink gacha as national game like Apex, Valo, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6, mario kart. Pometaro's twitter shows that Chink gachas aren't like SC1 in Korea in Japan.
>all the shareholders suddenly coming to the thread and actually advocating for more gachaslop to scam more gamblersgrim
>>745069862>playing mobage and complaining about fast food being trash.kek, you should play the current PC game they got for Digimon its up your alley if you want bing bing wahooga 3D content.
>>745068010
>>745068010The future is now chinese gacha, Japs
>>745069830Going global literally kills games.
>>745069925Uhh...This goes against my narrative?
I mean, just look at Square Enix mobile games...
This happens because JP treats their gacha like limited edition promotions and with much much shorter shelf life even compared to most live service games. Because of this, they almost never invest any kind of considerable production values to their gachas so most of them look very low budget like the ones Compile Heart makes. For every final fantasy and nier gacha that Square Enix has shut down, you can probably count on less than 5 fingers the amount of notable anime chinese gacha that has ended service since 2014. Mihoyo's guns girls z or Manjuu's Azur Lane is still going on for example.There's also the fact that japanese companies don't predominantly make gacha, which is why they're so quick to dismiss them or shut them down when profits are low. Meanwhile have companies like Sunborn earn less than a million dollars for Girls Frontline each month and still have enough money for some reason to fund new games every few years.
>>745069908Depending on how you look at it, it might be being burned to the ground right now, maybe we actually get to live and see the game EoS by their own choice instead of the usual "we are not making enough money anymore for Sakamoto-san to buy yacht with cocaine anymore". But I would not count on them making a whole new game anymore for the gacha market. Unless they REALLY like making money with short projects instead of working any of the big ones that TM has been going on about for how many years now with stuff like Extra Remake?
>>745069832It's the best platform if you don't think you can drum enough publicity, but he takes a cut of all transactions done on the client.you're giving up a large % of profit to avoid paying people to promote the game.like look at overwatch 2 for example, they only went on steam becasue they were getting analated, otherwise why host your game on a seperate platform at all? why share the profit at all?
>>745069862No Chink gacha on steam tho. Why isn't genshin considered 国民遊戯(national game) either in China or Japan?Japan consider Apex, Valorant, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter, Mario Kart as national game like SC1 and LoL in Korea, not genshin.
>>745069958>gets killed off like Snowbreak because insane femoids didn't like itWhat now?
>>745068173All gachas are ass.
>>745069958Any Chinese gacha with bikinis tho? No Chinese or Korean gacha can have nice bikini like pic rel. and Jap gacha has DMM and Steam as alternate platform.
>>745070039explain this then. >>745069603
>>745070094With an actual 3d model on top of being freely moddable? Sure why not. Same with games like GFL2.
>>745068138Honestly basedSeriously why the fuck are paid nip games still not at least at minimum genshit in terms of quality or polish?
>>745069998Not yer narrative, but most peoples' narrative. Why isn't genshin considered 国民的ゲーム(national game) in Japan just like Apex, Valorant, Splatoon, pokemon, Street shitter 6, Mario kart? No Chink gacha is considered national game in Japan. It means that Japs play more apex and valo than any chink gachas. Can apex and valo be played in mobile?
>>745069857no im saying its probably japan thats projecting more cultural influence when their adaptations of chinese works trump the chinese originals in terms of popularity. its like how movie adaptations of capeshit are infinitely more popular that the original comics which is only a win for the movies while comics continue to wane in popularity
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>>745070016This JP is just too infelixble and stupid to adress the changing market or cash in on a market they started.Luckily because dragonball z exists, they'll be able to make a dokkan or legends and just not have to suffer being retards.Even the new bleach mirrors high due to being a jap game will probably only have mechanics and graphics years behind modern gacha but will still do well becasue it's got bleach in the title.
>>745069958GFL is more of an exception to the norm. It's extremely unpopular in China.
>>745070102Heavens burns red is 1st gacha to join steam. Steam is mostly for Jap (since 2017 starting with capcom) and Western games.
>>745070191That's extremely irrelevant because it shows there that ZZZ and WuWa are in the top 10 earning games for japan on Steam right now.
>>745068095I TRIED YOUR GACHA GAME, THE ONE WITH CUTE GIRLS IN IT.AND IT MADE ME FEELLIKE A PIECE OF SHIT
>>745069603What fucking thirdies currency is that?
>>745070136Umamusume used to have more revealing bikinis in 2025, than any Chink gacha. IDK why did Umamusume neuter the swimsuits in 2026. Is pic rel right or wrong, if we replace Uma with Holodori for Umamusume's swimsuits being censored to death in 2026?
>>745070191>Heavens burns red is 1st gacha to join steam.People keep saying this but what is HBR meant to do when it only appeals to small section of the world who are into YURI.
>>745068010>Infect your gachashit with nigger asses because you want to pander to blacks and americans>Start dyingSame happened to chink gacha gamesGo woke go broke
>>745070220Is steam mostly a platform for Japanese and Western games mainly? And some Korean online games as secondary.
>>745070153The chinese arent allowed to have a "national game" period. The CCP only tolerates games because it brings in money but they would never allow games to be acknowledged as culturally significant within their country
>>745070337>>745070175my biggest regret is not playing this game when it came out.
>>745070184And that's because shounenjump titles, well the big 3 at least, are very lucrative. You can never go wrong with DBZ. It's a global household name. But look what happens whenever they try other things like attack on titan, JJK and KnY. They either get gacha that die in a year or an arena fighter that nobody buys but a few thousand hardcore fans. It's a very pessimistic look on how japan treats its anime IPs. We could have had naruto RPG where you can create your own shinobi and have the same production values as the old ninja storm games, but we never did. If it was made during shippudden's prime, it would have made gangbusters.
>>745069920UMA is never going down bro
>>745070305Is Umamusume pozzed? I know that their swimsuits are neutered to death in 2026. Cygames won't kneel to DEI, right? At least Jap gacha never gets censored... for being considered worthless for being worse than concord.
>>745070358But the game is still up?
>>745070053This nigga thinks feminists can kill the cockroach of gacha
>>745070348No starcraft 1 in Korea, Apex in Japan equivalent in China?
>>745070358uh, GFL2 is still running? You're probably confusing it with snowbreak.
>>745070382>naruto RPGThere's a exclusive Naruto gacha in China. It's pretty high quality and it earns a lot.
ZZZ won.
>>745070414Their children will
>>745070414>>745070382Why cannot Genshin earn more than even gundam if it is Japan killer? Pic rel is Korea/Chink counter. Se'sei, koikikki!!
>Japanese gachas are totally dying bwo that’s why the horse game has to be policed off the board 24/7Jej
>>745068138That's true, the average jap game hits the market for 2-3 months before being rugged it seems.
>>745070549THE POWER OF PINK
>>745070393Cygames has told no lewding the horses faggot. otherwise they are approved outfits presented to the stables by the team to let them decide the appearances of. otherwise its decent. people protested in the west that Christmas in Christmas Oguri Cap special was translated to Holidays when its literally part of its core character storyline that its Christmas with Santa etc showing up not some random vague "holiday."
>>745068010So maybe whoever is making Genshin and Blue Archive can make real games for once? I want to get invested in these characters and worlds but fuck those gambling mechanics and them being online only.
>>745070397>>745070495>Starting a gacha later than day 1Nope
>>745070393>Is Umamusume pozzedThey literally released an scenario set in america full of black horses kek
>>745070628>Blue Archive can make real games for once?Soon brother.
>>745070393Don’t schizo post with my giant wife glownigger
>>745070039>muh steamActual cult lmao, GIVE ME MORE DRM
>>745070643there is some guy starting Trickcall on the discord and im siting right here with all the character unlocked and 2000 roll saved wondering wtf this guy is doing
>>745070684That's just being accurate
>>745070590Even for non gacha? How to explain this tho? No hoyoslop seen here. White out survival and last war>>>any hoyoslop,wuwa, any chink gacha. Don't u know that even worse exists, Concord and Highguard? And DFO is dying due to Direzie shitting on Seon realm.
>>745070476no one would willingly call league of legends their countries national game, that is just an insult
>>745070549>Black culture gachaWon the flop award maybe, no other game has flopped this hard aside from ac shadows as far as I'm concerned, all because they wanted to keep shilling black culture to china
>>745068010>console quality games in perpetual development with constant expansions that are offered for absolutely free are completely unsustainable without the government grants and subsidies China and Korea getWow, who'd-a thunk?
I can pinpoint at least two schizos itt that need to GO
>>745070684Is Umamusume more like DEI pyoi? >>745070715Care bout Dao, Bazzi and Uni biting the dust for Crazy arcade's EoS. Next is DFO, as it is near EoS by Direzie being shit. Even Apostle Mikaela cannot redeem DFO.
>>745068416Those exist, a lot are out there even, but they don't release them outside of japan.
>>745070386Never claimed it did.Good game, shit content pace.
>>745070780Why do people post these like they use hard data and not shit a Chink company pulls out of it's ass
>>745069862left: soul with a tiny budgetright: soulless chink slop with the entirety of the great leader's treasury as budget, generic tranime moeblobs designed to appeal to braindead virgin americans
>>745070643Alright well make sure you are here day one when our spinoff anime helldivers 2 game releases
>>745070747Koreans are, just like SC1. Cuz Korea likes blizzard aesthethics as LoL is warcraft ripoff. Garen is Arthas, Vladmir is Kael thas, Ashe is sylvanas, Catalina is illidan, Darius is Grommash...
>>745070803trickal is a korean 2D chibislop and it still mogs the shit out of japan gachas in qualityjapanese executives are just too incompetent to create and support a product that resonates properly with their own audience. see kemono friends, ruined by executives on a whim
Keep Japan away from that subhuman genre, it was made for cattle like Chinks and Gooks let them keep making those
>>745070803Huh? Saar? Do not redeem the hoyoverse!!
>>745070736Gacha market, jap games in general are a different situation.
>>745070853I want a MGS game with cute anime gurls
Japanese gachas as mostly low effort png collectors.The chinese drank their milkshake, ate their cake and shat on their mouths
>>745070909Yeah but the developer have to sell of their house to fund their gacha addiction lifestyle while developing the game on the side.
>>745068540>Monster Strike earns more than your average Mihoyo gamePost proof, faggot.Notice
>>745068010>discuss funny horse game's new event>jannies seethe and shut it down>discuss funny horse game clickbait China numbah won topic>jannies allow itHmm
>>745070909At least bring Maplestory. Trickal cannot have proper bikinis while Maplestory can put Mihile on Bikinis when he can only have body type A(alpha). I am dawn warrior main anyway(2H sword+jewel).Is gakuen idolmaster not Japanese? GKmas lacks proper bikinis so I thought it as chink gacha.
>>745070986yeah and they're still reaping the rewards for it because the JP release completely eclipsed the revenue from the KR version's entire lifetime in only a few months that they're already working on a new gamejapanese executives just hate taking creative risks
>>745070971The English phone game market is like this too with infinite shitty game churn but you don't see dishonest headliners like this about it.
>>745068742Where's Snoot
>>745070971But maplestory is PNG collector too. Right? Maplestory has strapless bikini even available on body type A(alpha). And is maple gacha??
>>745071045fuck off bikini schizo
>>745068010I hate to say it but I dare say ai would be a major help to chinese and south korean gacha, they can offload alot of the work and get things done faster, while making major bankWhile japanese themselves are not totally above ai they're still vocal about not using it which may be hurting them, think japanese devs need a new strat because they're being systematically pushed out of it
>>745071124the CUTEST bikinis in gaming!
>>745071018janitor of /v/ is rape ape, an indian aids ridden microdicked inverted faggot that's dark as a raisin and looks like one head to toes and another janitor of /v/ is some summer faggot who got upset over being called a potential "mexican transvestite nigger-aids infested piece of shit." over enjoying/promoting marathon: let that sink in. those are the people ruining /v/.
>>745071124But Neinheart ordered some elite cygnus knights with body type B(beta) to wear bikinis. Dawn warrior type B(beta) looks good in blue strapless bikini+destiny 2H sword.
>>745070393Umas are made tame on purpose, very low on lewding unless its dialogue implied. New summer outfits did raise some eyebrows. Its not pozzed, not really. Last scenario had USA umas and black ones were literal blackfaces.
>>745068679well at least I got some nice anime out of it
>>745071124Bikini schizo compeltely destroyed by Erpin, i would off myself
>>745071304Its doing okayish. Issue is Global is extremely competitive, much more than JP version.Also due to the catchup you got at least 3 years of content to go, guaranteed.
>>745071124damn thats so erotic. Is this a hardcore porn game?
>>745070276This is literally a bikini alt from this year schizo
>>745068010Why cannot Chink gacha get on this list of honor when Half of this IP are Japanese including Transformers which is JP/US hybrid?
>>745071050>japanese executives just hate taking creative risksI don't have it anymore, but there was an article a few years back talking about how Japan had lost the gacha market and it did pretty much come down to the boomer executives.The younger staff/generation did want to go all in on gacha like China did and make full 3D games, but the boomers at the top never moved passed the early era of gacha where it was PNG collectors and refuse to invest more money into it.
>>745071420maybe
>>745071212>and black ones were literal blackfaces.This is most of the time just how Japan does “African” characters in general lmao. The western neo religion doesn’t allow for acknowledging the existence of African facial structure so spray painting a white character brown 100% counts for the purpose of satisfying investors>>745071439Delete this bitch lasagna>incomprehensible schizobabble
>>745069365I am surprised how low BA is, even prior to the gacha change, given how much talk and art there is.
STOP MAKING ME WANNA FUCK HORSES
>>745071439https://youtu.be/-wB5P3xjFl4?si=wNp7WAv9OEQaPXEJ
As long as Uma is doing well I could not give less of a shit.
>>745071045
>>745071420Is not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.
>>745071498BA is basically just a safe platform to talk about loli with plausible deniability lel
>>745069603Japs alone are carrying Gaypex so hard
>>745071498BA is astroturfed heavily by poor SEA lolicons and paid artists
>>745071498BA has been astroturfing for years at this point.
>>745071124This mogs BA swimsuit easily as BA cannot have proper bikini this year.sad that Omniblade cannot wear bikini due to body type A and left hand fucked up by demon ghost.
>>74507149895% of people who post uoooohh memes played the game for 5 minutes and uninstalled it
>>745070393Imagine you open the american scenario thinking you will see blonde npc bimbos and come across this
>>745068010So the gacha trend is over? Retard coomers gonna be left behind still sucking Chinese gacha while based Japan invents a new trend lmao
>>745071498Games have to be fun. Very few gatchas actually have natural difficulty or competitiveness built in.
>>745068010>shitdarta f. reddit.
>>745071619The new trend is sucking off anikura subculture out of their money.
>>745071592
>>745071561>>745071576I did hear some things about it, but I assumed it would still be up there in the ~$15M+ range with other well known titles.
>>745071525Is Trickcal the only game to softly acknowledge a meme of a character jokingly being a massive slut?
Oh no, instead of making 5 millions out of adding a few pngs every few weeks they're only making 4
>>745069603Here is an actual JP steam top sellers pic.
>>745071548>>745071561BA lacks bikinis as well. Only ugly shirts ans one pieced swimsuits as swimsuits. While DFO has bikinis even for Priestesses of Remedios. Seraphim(crusader type B, Buffer, fixed magic, cross, int) looks best in bikini ironically.
>>745071619lol nothere's like 5 gachas already on the way to be released
>>745071614she cute
>>745071619I think that as long as gacha will make gazillions, the trend will continue. It will just keep changing forms until then to keep making money. The only thing that will change is who is making the gacha.
>>745071592Who the fuck cares about swimsuits? They do not affect gameplay at all.
>>745068138>Japans refusal to evolve and progress has always been their biggest weakness.I wonder why? They weren't like that before
>>745071686I don't know what you're talking about, beach lion is entirely wholesome and would never lurk monatium's back alleys soliciting passerbys
Gacha is a fucking money pit for devs and publishers also. They burn advertisement money as quickly as they receive it.
>>745071787these cretins do not care about gameplaygacha is 99% about the characters, 1% about how to plan your game meticulously so you can stay f2p and then brag to everyone
>>745071761>>745071619no? Because since 2020, the ones making big budget gacha has always been china and south korea. This is just admittance from japan that they cannot compete making new gacha besides that ones that already exist because it's just far too expensive for little return. Meanwhile, despite the chinese gacha space already being overcrowded, you have shit like silver palace, ananta, azur promelia still in the horizon.
>>745071836>They weren't like that beforeMeiji restoration happened because jap fucks refused to adapt.
>>745071876I genuinely do not understand why one would not just go to gelbooru instead.
>>745070039Uhmm NTE is on Steam, though.
>>745071836By that you mean since WW2? Because even outside of gacha, /v/ and most people always point out that japan keeps making the same games and genres over and over once they get comfortable with it.
>Umamusume might EOS before Stego makes it to globalOkay but this is really really really really really really really really really really really grim.
>>745068010This is fantastic news though
>>745072009JP is alive and well. Learn moon and come join us dacchis!
>>745071619No. Japan just doesn't know how to make a modern day gacha because they are not willing to make the investment. Japanese players will just play Chinese/Korean gacha instead
>>745072065Are you the good NTR poster from /v/?
>>745068010Good
>Corner the Market for decades with shitty 2d auto scrollers where you roll for jpegs>chink and gook weebs had enough and start making actual gacha video games>Their shitty scam is collapsingServes them right
>>745071836For some reason Japan refuses to see gacha mobile game more than simple phone gamesAnd even if they want to make something bigger, no one is giving them the budget, unlike China
People really do be making this a race war, when even japan, being a very consumerist society, is content with consuming chinese gacha as long as it panders to them and has japanese dubbing. I have never seen japs on twitter or youtube play these hoyoge and think "wow these chinks are making such good looking chink games. I wish we could have done something like this with our nipponese devs." No. They say "waow, this child has a cute butt desu ne."
>>745068010Most Japanese gachas seem from another era. The gacha system, the QOL, everything is so outdated. Is there even a recent jap gacha that could compete with Genshin? Umamusume is the only "recent" success I can think of.
>>745071787they affect my enjoyment of the game though
>skill issue>bad global economygacha is just gambling with a skin and zoomies and alphas had literally no money.
>>745070016>This happens because JP treats their gacha like limited edition promotions and with much much shorter shelf life even compared to most live service games. Because of this, they almost never invest any kind of considerable production values to their gachas so most of them look very low budget like the ones Compile Heart makes. It's literally far better business-wise.These low-budget gachas earn almost as much as massive AAA-budget Mihoyo gachas with infinitely smaller budget.If anything it's more retarded to make big budget gachas as it's more of a gamble.
>>745072009>Umamusume might EOS before Stego makes it to globalSeeing they had concert in LA i sincerely doubt it. Unlike other gatchas Cygames invested in alot of different things, IRL horses included.Hell, they literally got into real racing. Seeing umas revitalized whole JP irl racing, i wonder if Japan gov would subsidize them if things turned grim, seeing they provide net benefit to real sport.
>>745072106No, but everyone loves NTR!
>>745072154China is spamming coal and building nuclear plants. Cheap energy makes everything else cheaper so they can hire more bugmen. The west is in a death spiral thinking solar is going to power the grid when they should be trying to crack fusion reactors.
>>745072207This. Big budget gachas are unironically speedrunning the collapse of their own making.
>>745072175Just go to any booru site of your choice.
>>745068010>Devastating News
good, but too little too late + giant corpo will no longer allow truly japanese spirited games to exist on consoles and steam.
>>745072360>just look at a png and imagine playing the gamenah
>>745072156>waow, this child has a cute butt desu ne.do people really say this?
>>745072139You are retarded if you buy into this let me translate the article for you>please stop supporting Japan please please please please please please we don’t like them they don’t ascribe to Puritan values
Japanese Gachas>budget of the game: $10>revenue earned: $130,000,000>Fanart Count: 100,000+Chinese gachas>budget of the game: $100,000,000>revenue earned: $150,000,000>Fanart Count: 50,000+
>>745072207If the intention is to close it down after a given time, sure. But also, it does highlight the difference in business operations between japanese companies and chinese companies.Square Enix could not give a rat's ass about shutting down multiple gachas, because they have other ventures. They have their mmo, like FF14 which is single handedly almost enough to keep the company afloat. They have their SD and HD game titles like dragon quest and final fantasy. And then there's their mobile gaming division.By comparison, Mihoyo really only has their gachas. Sure they have investments in non-gaming industries like AI, robotics and nuclear energy, but their primary focus is gacha. Without gachas, they have no other products. For other smaller chinese companies, they cannot afford to toss away their one gacha title because otherwise they lose their only source of revenue.
>>745072156You probably don't know Japanese if you think that
>>745071836Any sword(or axe and mace and etc) and physical shield in chinkslop? Candace's magical gauntlet doesn't count as actual shield. Pic rel is example of sword and board.
>>745068010Deserved for relying in ip slop too much meanwhile the chinese and korean manged to create their own franchises without relying in an existing anime/manga/idol slop and grow from theregenshin > honkai > zzzpgr > wuwa nikke > stellar bladeba > eos
>>745072514You forgotChinese gachas:>Fanart Commission budget>Paying e-celeb to shill your FOTM budget>Begging for collab budget
Japan should stick to making AAA lolicon games like Pragmata. That's where their true talent lies.
>>745072514*source of my revenue the jp app store
>>745072583Why is there no hoyoslop' ere, saar? And Jap gacha has bikinis, steam and DMM, which chink gachas cannot have at all.
>>745068010Great news
>>745068543The Americans just did another Plaza Accord on Japan, only this time it's targeting their media.
>>745072207That has stopped being the case for ages. Most of these dime a dozen asset flips never make more than a million dollars anymore which is why they hit eos in a couple months and why all these companies making them are going bankrupt.
>>745072532Look at literally any JP community for gachas if you can find people who looks at gachas the same way /v/ bitches about them. Nobody plays them and immediately defaults to making it about racial politics.
>>745072514Yeah. No wonder why gundam earns more than genshin. As Chinks and Koreans are vulnerable at media mixing so they should rely on short term success by Sajaegi and shills(gorioshi). Chink gacha cannot have large shield like pic tel. While gundam can have greedy marketting which destroyed bionicle.
>>745069502>the water margin by the name suikodenI feel like this is only true for nerds who grew up on 4chan and anime in specifically the online realm. This is like claiming that Fate put Gilgamesh on the map for normalfags. We're talking about the REAL world right?
>>745072154>>745071836The Chinese console ban actually paid off a ton for their domestic development market. Instead of major box price titles, they've had all their time focused on building online infrastructure and optimizing free to play experiences. So of course as tech advances and graphics improve, they already had the experience needed to bring that to the mobile market
>>745072730>>745072714But Why we barely see Jap guy playing genshin or any Chinkslop in subway? They play Apex, Valorant for shiny rifles and knives, more than genshin. Apex, Valo, splatoon, pokemon, Street shitter 6, mario kart are national games in Japan, not any Chink gacha. When Chink gachas are not considered national game even in China.
So how long until japs can make high quality 3d gachas?
>>745068010Japan makes the stingiest, shitty gacha games so its no wonder they are failing.
>>745072806Can nintendo win the console war against China backed up by Sony? Nintendo abandoned China and lacks support of Chinese market, and never use genAi. While Sony gets lots of support from Chinese games and market, and genAI.
>>745072932>>745072936Why are you treating gachas more than something you waste your time with on the bus for a few minutes?
>>745072806The trajectory of chinese gaming dev sure is a weird one. They started their experience making korean style mmos, then went hard on mobile gaming in the 2010s. Then in the late 2010s, their mobile games started becoming like psuedo-console games and the result is what we have now where their mobile games, now fully playable on console and pc, are an amalgamation of mmo design, mobile game design, and borrowed console game mechanics from various mainstream games like extraction shooters, GTA, assassin's creed, soulslikes, and so on.
>>745072730>chinese game players like chinese gamesDon't try to act like there's not a ton of Japs gachafags who absolutely hate China and chink games
>>745072893I see japs play honkai star rail a lot on the train. Mostly zoomers.
>>745072784When you are big enough you can simply pay companies to fuck off.
>>745068010>gacha industry is collapsing
>>745068010censoring yourself and appeasing the western troons was japans biggest mistake in their whole history.
>>745072932Gakuen idolmaster says hello, spite it lacks proper bikini, and most of their live costumes are skorts and shorts instead of miniskirts. But is GKmas actually japanese? GKmas is new standard for IM@S and love live. Can Korean and Chinese make chara song like Shuki shuki dai shukkin or Nani ga suki? BA lacks chara song. No Chinkslop have chara song by VA.That's why Korea and China cannot media mix tactics which are mainly used by Japan and West(like DC and Marvel). (Is Persona 5 phantom X Japanese(poaching CN devs tho) or Chinese?)
>>745073046Show me then? Because japanese people are some of the most easily contented people I've seen on twitter. While /v/ was bitching about the shitshow that was Monster Hunter Wilds, most japs I saw were just enjoying it.I have never ever seen japs act racist or act impolite for that matter online. Even in R18 and guro artists, when asking for sauce on the titles, you will rarely see them act pissed off compared to how angry westerners are all the time, especially as you can see here where anons are always obnoxiously toxic all the time.
>>745073068But why is Chink gacha not considered "国民的ゲーム" like Apex, Valo, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6, Mario kart in Japan? Even Chinks not consider Chinese gacha as national game.
>>745073106Only japan. China and korea is here to say for the next decade and so.
>>745071521I am in the same boat, I don’t care how much uma makes as long as it’s enough for them to keep the game in service and for them to keep doing spin-off projects
>>745073263You clearly haven't keep up with the news.
>>745073249But it is, my retarded bikini schizo friend.It's considered a national game.
>>745068010The issue is that there's way too many gachas. Especially when gachas demand dailies and login bonuses and login streaks. You simply can't keep up with it all if you play multiple gachas, there's not enough time in the day. Most people have to pick two or three games to play. It doesn't matter if there's 2 billion gamers out there if they're all playing the same 4 or 5 gachas.
>>745073208Why is Jap game with 86 metascore considered mediocre, while Chinese game with 74 metascore is considered revolutionary and Japan is dead? What is this double standard? Are Japanese games with high metascore than genshin mostly bribed on critics to compensate their low quality slop?
>>745073192>chara song like Shuki shuki dai shukkin or Nani ga suki? BA lacks chara song.not sure if you're trying to emulate human speech or if you're getting a strokeeither way get help
>>745073192>Mixed media shitNo thanks I just want to play video games
>>745073320Because japan lost.
>>745073263How to explain Crazy arcade EoSing, DFO being near EoS due to Sub Jong min being shit unlike Shin Chang sop? But is DFO gacha too?
>>745071619Gacha is probably on the way out, which is why right-wing youtube analysis are hyper focusing on shitting on indie games (As like a concept).Bikini Armor Propagandist networks rely on gacha or else people will realize that "Oh hey this shit is usually done to paper over dogshit gameplay"
>>745073208
The baseline for a gacha's production values in 2026 is something on the level of Blue Archive. Now, from looking at screenshots, BA might look low effort, but it's deceptively soulful and handcrafted. They know that their chibis are their biggest strength, and they don't cheap out on it, even if the core of the game is actually being a Visual Novel.
>>745073312Do they play more Chink gacha than Apex and Valo? I never heard genshin being National game in Japan like SC1 in Korea? Is Hoyoslop in Japan same as SC1 and LoL in Korea?
>>745073192oh for fuck sakeJust make a fucking Idolmaster Gacha where you can roll for EVERY idol ever
>>745068138It's funny when you realize that it's now cheaper for them to make dinky Switch games than dinky mobile games. Mobile used to be the realm of cheaply produced games until Genshin caused a AAA arms race and ruined it for everyone.
>>745073385That's why Japan spent budget on bribing critics over improving their games, just like TLOU2 to say "we make best game"? Pic rel used to be only for gacha but extended to have non gacha too. As well as BG3, Yasuke and Ex33 being Jap killer too.
>>745073451Yes.Japan lost.
>>745073538But Gayfreak newest game though.
>>745073349Any Chinese and Korean gacha with character song? Gakuen Idolmaster, Umamusume and FGO have various character songs as possible. Which is the media mix which gooks and chinks cannot.
>>745073462They attempted that with Poplinks but it shut down because Cinderella Girls has more idols than everything else combined and 91 of the 190 characters in Cinderella Girls are unvoiced characters that no one gives a shit about so the game crashed and burned.
>>745070693Looks like another gacha from the UI
>>745073414on the other hand, it's off set by how many japs do like hibana/sparxie THOUGH.
>>745073540Are hoyoslops national games(国民的ゲーム) in Japan, not apex, valorant, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6 and mario kart which cannot be played in mobile? Why does China not consider hoyoslops as national games?
>>745073661Yes.Japan lost.
>>745073208>Monster Hunter Wilds, most japs I saw were just enjoying it.lol lmao this is how I know you're full of shit
>>745068010>- Well-funded Chinese and South Korean companies are capturing the domestic Japanese market with high-budget hits like Honkai: Star Rail and NIKKE.but like why doesn't Japan just make their own
>>745073430It's also important to remember that BA wasn't designed to become a heavy hitter, it kinda just happened. Nobody had much faith in the game at release, and it didn't do well for the first year.The original draft for Blue Archive had it as an XCOM type of game, but they were made to reduce the scope of the project until it became what it is today.
>>745071498BA literally astroturf their artBasically they use all their revenue to pay for fanart and porn, but make sure to tell the artists to not say is a commission, may explain why its flopping now since they wasted all their money over fake popularity instead of improving and expanding the IP
>>745073639BRATTY LITTLE FOOL
>>745070834Because it guarantees replies.
>>745073736Azur Lane did the same thing for the JP launch. They hired artists to draw Atago and Vampire. Porn is the best way to sell your gacha, it's been that way since FGO.
>>745073208>While /v/ was bitching about the shitshow that was Monster Hunter WildsYou do know the jannies are in on that right? If you make a thread for it they alert their buddies and start spamming talking points from a google doc.
>>745073687Why are apex, valo, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6, mario kart not national games anymore and Hoyoslop replaces any Westslops and Japslops when they cannot surpass 84 metascore? Does Hoyoverse even reduce legendary Elden ring into kusoge?
>>745068498Source is jap but have another link https://gameobserver.com/japans-mobile-game-industry-is-falling-apart-as-developer-bankruptcies-reach-historic-levels-in-2026/
>>745073832Except FGO doesn't astroturf and all the people making that porn was because they wanted to, not because they got paid in advanceI just checked and they keep leading the top places in revenue aside from genshin being #1 lol
>>745070136>>745072156why does this girl looks like a whore but not spe when they wear the same type of swimsuits?
>>745073661Does Hoyoverse reduce even legendary elden ring as kusoge?
Average Japanese mobagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XlsKeXbt8IAverage Chinese mobagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qLFh_LSYYYou can see why Japan is losing.
>>745073930Yes.Japan lost.
Why do they always use gacha as a metric to attack japan?>>745073898
>>745074023Because this is about gacha and gacha is popular since 2020? This board talks about gacha all the time.
>>745073725So why cannot Chink gachas considered as national game in Japan like apex, valorant, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6 and mario kart? Even china doesn't consider hoyoslops as national game like SC1 and maplestory in Korea.
>>745071498A lot could be said about those gacha sales charts are made. I don't know the details, but a lot of these numbers are a little more than "it was revealed to me in a dream".But the truth is that BA was never a giga money maker despite being super popular. The free income you get from playing is enough to get almost everything. I haven't played enough gacha to tell you if they are particularly generous, but when I played Genshin Impact, I had to skip a lot of characters I would have wanted, despite being a day 1 player on that game.>>745073736People love to post this image as if it proved anything. Every company does this. And then the same people will tyr to convince you that every artist that draws BA is being a paid shill.If it was that easy, you'd think Mihoyo would be the one to own comiket, since they're the ones with the infinite CCP money glitch on their side.
Can Japan make actual anime games now instead of skinner boxes for third worlders?
>>745074083Because japan lost.
>>745074015So Elden ring<<<<<<Hoyoverse, right due to elden ring's clumsy knightly armor and shield while hoyoverse doesn't need shiny armored Paladin slop?
>>745073591They can no longer use JRPG as an excuse because all of them are doing well.
>>745073208To be fair what doesn't /v/ bitch about?
>>745074129Yes.Japan lost.
>>745074023Gacha is the only thing china/korea has and can compete with japan.
>>745068010>go woke and censor your game games harder than snoy>go bankruptif only someone had warned them....
>>745073965FGO did it organically, yeah. But it taught people that porn works as the best advertisement so devs started to astroturf the porn scene for their games. Technically, you had Little Witch Nobeta even doing this to a smaller scale for his indie game.As for Genshin, it fell off in Japan as far as I'm aware. It was #34 in revenue last year behind HSR and ZZZ. Monster Strike is still the king of JP gachas, occasionally a newly released game will take a win over it but MonStrike always stays above it long term. https://game-i.daa.jp/?cmd=s&k=d9a145921c
>>745074194But Jap gacha never gets censored while Korean and Chink gacha cannot at least. Except for Umamusume and Gakumas. Any Korean and Chinese gacha with nice bikini like pic rel? Cygames never kneel to DEI!!
>>745074172Because gacha is extremely lucrative. Stellar Blade made like 6 million sales, and yet it only amounted to maybe 30% of Shiftup's total revenue for 2025, meaning their gacha, NIKKE made so much money that year that was it enough to outsell at least 3 Stellar Blades.
Japan has gone wokeIt's over...
>>745074097Im sorry, rollslop clones is the top of what Japan can produce right now
>>745074326Not cygames, ma'am. Jap gacha can have bikinis while Chink and Korean gacha cannot.
Burnice concert broshttps://x.com/KW7MD8FEWT7lMXx/status/2086451081576579222
I fucking hate FGO and the "pity". Fucking greedy fucks, at least give me a skip button so I don't have to farm the same quest 500 times manually
>>745074354HOLY COW
>>745070684>implying you wouldn't
>>745074261lollmao, evenDo you ever get tired of being wrong, bikini schizos?
>>745068138I feel like a lot of it has to do with how predatory the JP systems still are as well. CN/KR gachas have proven that if you can hold a big F2P/Low budget community, it generates a lot more talk and hype around the game to attract the whales.JP is stuck in the past making extreme P2W systems, so any kind of non whale community fucks off and goes to the next thing, then the whales follow them when they hear about what the budget/f2p community is hyping up.
Too many people chased Genshin tier money in the same way too many western devs chased GTA money.Sucks because i'd devour 3d games that had less visual impressiveness, something like Windwaker's cel shaded graphics would be significantly cheaper while providing a bump in quality over jpegs. At some point every gacha dev became obsessed with having ridiculous levels of detail on all their characters
>>745074281But why do Japs consider Apex, Valorant, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6, Mario kart which cannot be played mobile as national games, not any chink gacha?
>>745074416Because Japan lost.
>Cygames never kneel to DEIkek lil nigga doesn't even know what he's talking about
>>745074387Any Jap gacha which are censored and pozzed? Cygames won't kneel to DEI at least. No nice bikini like pic rel in Korean and Chink gacha. Only Japanese gacha can have bikinis... unless it is Uma and Gakumas tho.
>>745074387He's also delusional and ignore Satsuki and Makoto. See >>745071695
>>745068543>>745072702>another Plaza AccordDamn, seriously? Got a link for that?
>>745074402At least you have stuff like dragonsword or whatever that isn't a gacha.Genshin and its effect on anime games is important, not because it's gacha, but because it showed and forced other devs to compete and be better than it rather than settle for mediocre neptunia tier graphics for anime games forever. It forced every one to adapt and raise the bar on graphics.
>>745074354Right...
>>745074503How is cygames pozzed? Does Fastiva being Okama count as DEI?
Good.Leave the slop to your copycats and focus on making GOOD games, something that neither chinks or gooks can't and/or won't do.>b-but chinese/korean [derivative of japanese] game is goodlol
>>745074435Do Japs have bad taste on choosing Apex, Valo, splatoon, pokemon, street shitter 6 and Mario kart as "national games"? Korea has maplestory, Lost ark, LoL and SC1 as one.
>Cygames won't kneel to DEI at leastpfffft AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>745068010Finally some good news
>>745074023Because this site is glownigger central now and they don’t like Japan
>>745074503The new Shadowverse is fucking poz city, man. Actually disgusting.
>>745074629Yes.Japan lost.
>>745074553I don't know about another Accord but did you miss all the Visa and Mastercard drama?The Dragon Quest artist?
>>745074015>Japan lost.To Project Nortubel
The result of years of praising and being content playing absolute shit like fgo and umamusume. There's no innovation or drive to improve.
>>745068138>Japans refusal to evolve and progress has always been their biggest weakness.I'll always laugh at SIF2. Imagine taking a 9/10 year old gacha, releasing an "upgraded" version and having said game announce EOS in under a year.
>>745074580Yeah. But Chink and Korean gacha won't be able to rip off bikinis. Spite Jap console games got bikinis banned in Takaichi term ironically when she supposed to be the guardian of freedom of expression... is pic rel safehorny compared to Nikke tho?
>>745074669>Visa and MastercardYeah, but I thought he meant an American government thing, not shitty payment processors.Hell, even Valve has been fighting against them.
>>745074791>PIc kek how the fuck does that even happen
>>745074820You do know the payment processors are effectively an arm of the government right
>>745068010half of it is scope of gacha games increasing tremendously, inflating costsbut the other half is also just that people are getting wise to it. They are getting tired of constant gacha games, and if anything most people tend to stick to only a few if any This is a good thing. There are a lot of honestly good gacha games that are held back by being gachas, and if made years ago could have just ended up being like, a fucking DS JRPG or something
>>745068010>high-budget hits like Honkai: Star Rail and NIKKEOf all the games to pick
>>745068010>3D graphics and full voice acting has pushed initial costs to hundreds of millions of yen.It's simply the way conventional games went, a distinct stratification between the poors and the uber rich. You want to have that quality? Then you need a whole lot more money backing you. And since the entry fee of most such games is Literally Free you're going to have to milk the paying customers a lot more than $70 or $80 dollar games do to break even.The current videogame industry consists of1. high quality everything2. budget everythingwith no in-between because this is simply the natural end point. Spend a lot and be wildly successful, or spend a little and be moderately to wildly successful. Nobody tell the aspiring developers that only a tiny few actually get to fall into either category, the rest will be failures.
>>745074835Contractual obligations to release something. They weren't expecting SIF2 to do so poorly even thought they put zero effort into it and it was a huge downgrade from the original SIF in all aspects except card resolution.
>>745074885Because those gachas are consistently the highest earning non-JP gachas in Japan mostly because they actually do play like mobile games and not psuedo-console games like ZZZ which is near unplayable on touch screen.
>>745068010Jap mobile games are so bad they now opt to outsource to places like South Korea instead and then they STILL somehow manage to make them fucking terrible, even by gacha game standards.
>>745074865It doesn't help that the newly released gachas are all so similar. They're all action rpgs that are trying to copy Genshin, so why would people play the brand new game over the other 50 they might already be invested in?It's the MMO problem again. Everyone kept making WoW clones instead of doing something different. Something lower budget like Nikke did something different and got players because it stood out(also it had a lot of asses).
The posts on /v/ start to make a lot more sense when you realise they play and pay attention to gacha.
>>745068010>Breaking news: it turns out there's only so much money in a given industry.My word.
>>745068416DMM has been a thing for years. Even the SFW gachas use it as a PC launcher.
>>745074854Was Takaichi not guardian of freedom of expression? Jap console games are getting censorship worsened in 2026 and got bikinis banned while 2025 had nice bikinis in great DEI era.... what happened in 2026? Swimsuit like pic rel(2025, switch 2 exclusive idol sim) is NG in Jap non gacha games now...
>>745068095BOB SAGET
>>745075007>anime website plays anime gamesHow long did it take you to figure this one out
>>745068010Japan just released the Gacha of the Year, Suikoden Star Leap. Konami will save us.
>>745068010Good.I'm curious as to what the industry as it is now will look like "trying", without mobile slop as a crutch It must also mean retarded paypigs are running dry (because they're incapable of good decision making skills in the first place), which further pleases meThis actually made my morning, thanks OP
what are some good gacha?
>>745069365>reddittowerseanigger
>>745074990>newly released gachas are all so similarThat's something that people who don't play gachas say. Wuwa is the only Genshin clone, and even that became pretty different over time because they added flight. Endfield, NTE, DNA, ZZZ, HSR, those are all in entirely different genres, they just look similar
>>745074854When someone mentions Plaza Accords, I assume they mean the US President or his cabinet making a decree.Not a publicly traded arm of the government.I'll just chalk this up to me not catching hyperbole, and move on.
>>745070185Chinks are absolutely deranged. I remember them review bombing Reverse Collapse because of some imaginary bullshit they made up in their heads.And it's a genuinely good game, never would've thought I'd say something like that about a chinese game.
>>745069596there is chink gachas on steam (wuwa, zzz)the yellow jews at hoyo would rather you play it on their platform so they dont have to give gaben a cut tho
>>745074865Bikini Propaganda Matrix...this cannot be...Our Home is being invaded...
>>745075112I really enjoyed the older suikoden titles but.This ui looks too complicated for gacha.
>>745075221ZZZ is a hoyo game
>>745075209Genuinely what is wrong with them? Why are they like this?
>>745075176Mechanics wise sure, but you would be crazy to confuse ZZZ with Endfield or NTE.
>>745075253yeah I'm aware, it's a failed one though which is why they put it on Steam
>>745068010>timesYeah mossad rag. Ignored
>>745071124>>745071528>>745071474You're getting head bonk'd.
>>745075168Any that allow you to access 100% content without paying, but leave the option to pay if you don't want to wait 3 trillion years worth of grinding Which is/ was virtually noneThat said, I loved ffrk
>>745072154It should have been like that. I genuinely don't like mobage that need landscape screen and two hands to play.
>>745075176>they just look similar>play similar>have similar plots>have similar mechanicsbut other than that they're completely different!
>>745075162>>745075112>>745075010>>745074960But at least Jap gacha can have bikinis while Korean and Chinese gacha cannot. Spite Jap console games got bikinis banned, Jap gacha are considered worthless for being worse than concord and EoSing soon, so they never get censored. Unless it is Umamusume and Gakumas tho. BA cannot compete with this bikini clad servant with body type B(considering Chevalier deon, Enkidu, Samurai remnant saver)!
>>745075176Hoyo isn't copying Genshin because they already have Genshin, bringing up their games is pointless but ZZZ is just them doing HI3 again(but worse) and HSR is as generic as it gets. It just has a big budget behind it so it makes the other turn based RPGs look like budget games in comparison.
>>745075023Jap gacha uses DMM and Steam(to trade scrap metal as gacha money) while Chink gacha cannot have both.
>>745073192Nips are shitting all over Gakumas right now.
>>745075256Who the fuck knows.
>>745075176>>745075318The futre of mihoyo is nexus anima.
>>745068010Chink gachas are just too stronk and more appealing for them to compete. unfortunately.
>>745075304Yeah that base building game is exactly the same as the turn based JRPG which is the same as the car driving GTA game which is a clone of a linear hack and slash which is a literal copy of an open world game. Yeah that makes sense. Sailor's Moon, Dragon's Balls, that's the same thing right, they all have big eyes
>>745074557Dragonsword only released as regular game because it get fucked behind the scenes and because they knew they couldn't possibly compete with current offerings.It's also got a lot of issues despite no longer being a gacha, the number one issue being lack of extensive content but that might be fair based on the price.Gachas becoming absurdly pretty and stylish is not really an evolution all in all, the downside is huge in terms of production costs. We've had so many extremely pretty gachas just immediately nosedive because being pretty means nothing if all your money went into just that and nothing else
>>745072009>stegoposter is a retarded doomer or at very least is easily tricked by Indian shitposter chartsGrim
>>745068138>cheap japanese companies>gbfretard thats one of the most well funded jap titles they have gacha, big yearly offline events full of the most popular VAs, console/pc games, anime and a fuc ton of merch
>>745068095I HOPE THIS IS THE JAPANESE VERSION OF THIS SONG, AND NOT THAT AMERICAN PIECE OF SHIT!
Why don't Jap just copy chink Gacha?How hard can it to be?
>>745075432>make a monster collector>without a single appealing designdoubt it.
>>745075209That top earning female gooner game recently got massive backlash few months back, with chinese female fans actively taking shits in front of the business building and mass brigading government and journalist institutions to take down the game (with some real success) because of a lead guy not appealing to them and scizo theories that he was written by a jap nationalist.
>>745068138exactly. and fuck, Cygames was fucking dumb in not Relink a full gacha game. pretty sure people would actually love and eat it.
>>745075540Their server is arguably more expensive to maintain than MMO as well.
>>745075573They cope by saying their work conditions are so good that they can't work as hard as Chinamen but the truth is they work just as much, they're just not as efficient. Nobody wants to admit that Chinamen take over every industry via efficiency and scale.
>>745075485>Gachas becoming absurdly pretty and stylish is not really an evolution all in allI mean in sense that genshin's influence made people who made gachas and anime games in particular to move on to proper next gen graphics. Sure japan it seems never followed or got impacted by this considering how stuff like xenoblade, fire emblem and the new persona still look like AA budget but for chinese and korean 3D games, it's worlds apart when you compare how games use to look before and after genshin. Even if game budgets eventually mellow down, this would still be the new standard on how games would look.
Japan and the West's downfall due to the same reasons and it's not "woke", it's just that video games are such a young industry that the youth are the ones who experiment and try new things who see massive success and the West and Japan are simply too old and established for decades that they're afraid of trying anything new since they already have big sellers on their hands. Meanwhile China and Korea are full of young developers who are hungry for success and they want to make something in the gaming world, which is why they see more success nowadays. As the decades pass and these devs become old men, we'll see their downfall in the decades to come but right now is China/Korea's time to shine.
>>745075518>anon thinks he is actually falling for it and doesn’t just want to post his wife on /v/
>>745075473What the fuck are you rambling about, you demented seamonkey?
>>745075616IIRC chinks also tried to assassinate one of Hoyo suits
>>745068010>japanese gachayou mean tmgacha in general chang
>>745075540>retard thats one of the most well funded jap titleslol that's depressing. It looks and plays like shit. No wonder nips are getting curb stomped.
>>745068095DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT TOTAL
>>745075657That those gachas you mentioned don't play similar at all. That's like saying GFL2 is the same as ZZZ just because they have similar gearing systems and dailies.
>>745068010Good, maybe by 2030 this shit will be dead and we can leave it behind as an anachronism of this fuckass decade.
>>745075643>They cope by saying their work conditions are so good that they can't work as hard as Chinamen but the truth is they work just as muchI am a salary man and frequently deal with Chinese companies. This is simply not true. Granted, I am not in IT, computers or game development.
without a single hint of irony the entire Japanese game industry was carried by golden years of FGO, it pretty much generated GDP of small country, unfortunately it also saved Sony's ass back then
>>745075664And then made HIM apologize for it publicly, followed by taking an official government position to avoid further attacks.
>>745072801That guy is retarded but nobody in the real world that isn't from east Asia knows Water Margin.Normalfags aren't reading Dream of The Red Chamber either.
>>745075473>add base building>something very common in gacha>add it to genshin combatI mean, you can argue Endfield wants to be a much shittier version of Death Stranding but the base building is a super contrived mobage element. Clash of Clans got big off it.
>>745075625Relink was meant to be Genshin's close, then Cygames realized making live service game like Genshin is pretty hard and said fuck it
>>745075657You wouldn't be so confused if you had any clue what the fuck we're talking about, fake gamer. Endfield is a base building game, HSR is turn based, NTE is a GTA, ZZZ is a linear hack and slash. That's me spoonfeeding you, now continue pretending that you're a real gamer who actually played any of these games
>>745075801>retarded headcanonthey never set out to make mobile slop
>>745075651Yea I think you're correct, Japan and USA are too risk-averse, whereas Chink and Gook are seeing more initiative on making their entertain market more global.For china it's a matter of national pride to have chink games made by chinks, and korea have been exporting drama and mmorpgs for decades and just need to learn to be less fucking greedy jews.
These are good news, actually. Japan has shitloads of IPs and pretty much have spearheaded and defined the genres and gameplay mechanics that chinese and korean games use (albeit in a watered down way for lowly animals, such as gachaniggers or themselves) to fall back on.Playing Trails remake and I really like how the game looks, which was probably made with 1/100 of the budget chinks waste on developing gachashit.
>Cygames never kneel to DEI!!looooooool
>>745075801That happens a lot, Shine Post on Switch 2 was a gacha game that got turned into a Switch 2 game because it was cheaper to do that and less risk of failure in an oversaturated market. You might say that nature is healing.
>>745075463>>745075432>>745075670>>745075664But Japanese gacha can have lots of bikinis while Chinese and Korean gachas cannot at least. Japanese gacha gets advantage in Summer due to having more revealing bikinis while Korean and Chinese gachas cannot. BA would suffer loss due to lacking proper bikinis. Tell me 3 Chinese and Korean gacha with bikinis if u dare. Only Japanese gacha can have bikinis while Chinese gacha and Korean gacha cannot, and Jap console/steam game got bikinis banned in 2026.
>>745075858Yea this is actually good news. Japan doesn't do gacha well so they may aswell focus on making normal games instead of live service. I hope they get stomped out the market entirely.
>>745075846I mean Kgames are already doing better, and take a page out of chinese book, in being less greedy than JP devs. It's one of the reasons they are able to compete so well, they have more customers able and willing to spend.
>>745075773It's hardly just an extra little element in Endfield, the entire game is built around it. And the combat may be swapslop but otherwise it's far removed from what Genshin uses. And in terms of exploration, it's nothing like genshin, it's more like Tales of Arise. Calling it a genshin clone just because it has a variant of a swapslop system is a huge stretch
>>745075807>endfield is a base building game... with swapslop combat>nte is a gta (it isn't)... with swapslop combat>zzz is a hack and slash... with swapslop combata swapshit defending calling himself "a real gamer" is a fucking laugh when you're fellating that diluted sewer water.
>>745075801relink development started in 2016 though.
>>745075773I mean the same could be said for many hybrid genres and similar games. Just like how Xcom 2 also has base building as well as LoS based tactics with perma death.Endfield also isn't syngery swap based team combat like genshin
>>745075941kill yourself bikini schizo
>>745075979exactly
>endfield>swapslopdo faggots really?
>>745068010I'm just waiting for FGO to explode, seeing that slop EoS would be one of the happiest days of my life but it's probably not gonna happen unless they want it to, they got the whales hooked too well.
>>745075962I fucking hate swapping characters, it's the worst gameplay party mechanic up to date.
>>745075941>Tell me 3 Chinese and Korean gacha with bikinis if u dare.nikkesnowbreakp5xsolo leveling ariseblue archivegirls front line 2Azur Lanealso didn't jp nerf the uma swimsuits?
>>745068010YEAAAAAH DIE FAGGOT ASS GENRE OF VIDYA
>>745075962by that metric, most games nowadays aren't their respective genres because they all have some form of parry or perfect evade mechanic?
What are some actually decent gachas to play on the phone during a phone / on the shitter?
>>745075168There's none.
>>745075960I mean, the base building system is just a carry over from Arknights which also had it. Adding a bit of flourish to your clone doesn't really change anything. Aion was still a WoW clone despite the flying combat gimmick. [Genshin but X] is the exact same as [WoW but X]. I mean shit, old ass mobile games like Shironeko Project had the same base building, it's a very common mobile trope shoved on top of an action RPG. Once upon a time, we used to get gacha games that were not aciton RPGs. It's actually a fucking major issue with Chinese/Korean devs in general. They're all putting out action rpgs on console too(mostly Souls inspired).
>>745075962swapslop is the fucking roll slop of gacha i swear.
>>745075962swapslop combat is basically the same as rollslop and parryslop that "real gamers" love so much
And besides, what's wrong with swap based combat? Do people hate tag fighters in fighting games? I mean despite the pc port, people are saying TOKON plays very well.
>>745076159Ume isn't a coomer game but here's one from this year. You decide.
What are some good gacha to play on my phone?
>>745075962Yeah, swapping is the worst.Should've made mini parties gameplay like in Granado Espada. Damn, now that was a game.
>>745076343Be careful now, because /v/ would also call it slop.
>>745076306Because swapshit leads to doing a "rotation" which isn't even gameplay anymore, you just go through motions on a punching bag.
>They are forced to make full/complete games againThis would be a perfect chance to show the world how much of sloppa gacha """gaming""" is and take a huge shit on China and Korea, but I'm not holding my breath.
Combination of corporate retardation and lack of technical talent. They'll be content with spending billions on A++++ list voice actors to voice a few lines for their png, but making something that is an actual game is basically lost technology to them so they won't bother putting in the money on the development front. Not surprising when most aspirations of Japanese younger generations is being a vtuber or an office slave that spends 12 hours a day pretending to look busy doing meaningless work. The closest thing Japan had to an AAA-like gacha was GBF relink (though not a gacha, and still pozzed+censored), but look how long that took to make and how much money Cygays spent on it. And that was fucking Cygays, which basically has infinite money. Games like that have to be more frequently coming out of Japan if they want any chance at competing with chinks in the anime AAA gachashit market.
>>745076343I had fond memories with GE, but the 3 character party system was a hit or miss. Microing characters for boss fights was a pain in the ass, and for mobbing, you just pressed space bar to auto farm most of the time. >those horrid memories of your healer becoming unresponsive when you need him the most and the pathfinding causes him to go somewhere while your elementalist and tank needs some heals badlyBanger music though.https://youtu.be/jaHcPzwdyVg?si=9WmSxyb-roFCvFBP
It feels like they have refused to adapt to new trends. Their games get overshadowed in almost every aspect. There's games that look better visually, there are games that are lewder, there are games that have better gameplay. They are mostly made in china and maybe sometimes korea. Japan feels like they're still stuck in 2018~.
>>745076471>least mentally ill seanigger rant
>>745075315I'll just go to one of many sites where I can see that shit without all the baggage of "playing" that type of gacha
>>745068010ahahaha dumb fukin nips cant even into gacha
>>745076367It kinda is, it kinda isn't.
>>745076306swap based combat is basically>do all of character 1 spells>cycle>do all of character 2 spells>cycle>do use character 3 spells she's a buffer so just 1>resetit's very repetitive and if you've played 1 you basically played them all.ZZZ, Genshin, Wuwa is play the exact fucking same with I guess you could argue the only real difference being bosses?but wuwa bosses are designed like fucking garbage and have so many visual effects on screen its hard to see anything and ZZZ bossses exist to be shit on. They're not bad by themselves but it's like why parryslop became a phrase eventually you see so many people doing the same thing it's just slop.it's no inovative, it's not done well, it's nothing new and sometimes it's worse, mongil stardives swap was slop, NTE's swap is also pretty slopish, it's just the same thing we've had before in a new anime package.
>>745076384...as opposed to memorizing patterns in other games? Like high level fighting games is basically doing rotations once you figure out and tap your enemy.
>>745076509>new trends>it's just cheap ripoffs of japanese games for poor shitskins with busted ass phones.
>>745076510>templated AI response
>>745069862with the IP of DIGIMON?jesus what a load of inferior trash
>>745075941Isn't brown dust korean?
>>745076318I think they look good honestly.
>>745076598You are so offended by the term used you refuse to see the point being made. Not my problem, not my industry dying.
>>745070843>cardslop>soullmao
>>745076608there are so many sexo digimon these guys literally don't want money.
>Gacha will die in my lifetimeAm I dreaming? This is too good to be true.
>>745076598And explain why their industry is dying if they can't make new trends then
>>745069673Naw, Another Eden beats HBR by a year at least
>>745076694Only in Japan lol. China and Korea won and is here to stay for many years to come.
>>745076694only in japan
>>745076694Because it is, it says that Japanese gacha is having a bad time, they will simply be replaced by Chinese and Korean ones
>>745076696it's not. Japan makes real games. Chinks make phoneslop for seaniggers.
>>745076465While Genshin still remains king, gacha overall is on a downwards trend.The chink flu buff is on its way out, gacha fatigue might be setting in among zoomers.
>>745075183>hyperboleI wish I was this ignorant.
>>745076574zzz plays nothing like genshin/wuwa
>>745076804Real games like Beast of Reincarnation that slopped and flopped lol.
>>745076827the problem with gacha is people can only play so many. new gacha must steal players from older gacha to survive.
>>745076804>real games>check notes>another souls game>another monhun>another RE
>>745076743>press X to AWESOME!!!>can barely even see the fucking gameSo this is what Chinks consider good vidya? Sad!
>>745076870The new extraction shooter mode is honestly the best thing that has ever happened to the game in the while.
>>745076935Japan lost and their industry is literally imploding.
>>745076991im glad these guys were making phone games like we were stuck in 2009
>>745076804Bushiroad almost fully dropped out of gachas for mediocre VNs and card games. Japanese gachas dying aren't magically going to revive Japan's games industry.
>>745076694This thread is just thinly veiled Chinese whining about Uma being huge lol
>>745077026They're still making pokemon and dragon quest games like it's the 2000s. No shit they never evolved.
>>745076991Nobody is gonna "play" or remember any of that chinkshit in 10 years, unlike real games.
>>745076827>The chink flu buff is on its way out, gacha fatigue might be setting in among zoomers.Coupled with the fascination zoomers are starting to have with retro stuff, they will discover japanese games too.
99% of Japanese gacha are incredibly cheap kusoge that EoS within 6 months. Even major publisher, Sqeenix, makes cheap kusoge with the gameplan of EoS'ing it within 6-12 months. Yoko Taro had a gacha and they killed it. Hilariously enough Yoko Taro put actual important Nier world building/lore in to a cheap shitty gacha which is why westaGODS established an emulator to keep running it while JP seethed and licked Sqeenix's corpo boot saying that you shouldn't be able to run a gacha emulator like that.
God please kill TM, please please please
>>745077098>10 yearsChinese gacha have been around for more than 10 years when they started becoming popular around 2017. They're not magically going away, especially when they're now the sole source of anime games with an actual budget.
>>745077098Do you think the majority of people remember Vita kusoge 10 years later?
>>745077110>JP seethed and licked Sqeenix's corpo boot saying that you shouldn't be able to run a gacha emulator like that.Fucking bootlickers, why would they want to fucking worsen the experience for people who know to learn the lore the way the dev intended.
Meanwhile Square profits increased 175% by making REAL games. Japan should ditch gacha on focus on what they are good at.https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/pdf/27q1release.pdf
>>745077172No matter how much you play make believe, gacha swapshit isn't a game.
>>745077227>real gamesthe entire Square is literally carried by XIV
>>745077156As much as I rag about japs in this thread, it's still fucking criminal, so fucking criminal, that we never got an action tsukhime or kara no kyoukai game where you play as shiki tohno or shiki ryougi. Imagine a game with MGRR slicing mechanics but you fight dead apostles. What the fuck are you doing TM.
>>745077227if xiv didn't exist square would be shut down.
The moment gacha dies is the moment the chinese game industry also dies.Japan has a golden parachute that is 40+ years of dominating half the game indsutry with the US and the many franchises created during that time.China has literally nothing, besides some BotW rip off and that another souls rip off.
>>745077229>implying I'm talking about swapshitThe original gachas was 2d side scrollers, and they have only grown since then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5fDNOGRFLsThis was back in 2014.You will cope but gachas are here to stay.
>>745077376god looking at that it's kinda crazy to see how far gacha has come.
>>745077351It won't die because unlike japan, china is entirely self sustaining since gachas have like 30-40% spending on china alone, followed by japan. This isn't like japan that has to fucking pander to the US just to make money because their local scene is so unsustainable.
>>745076694outside of hoyo and I guess shift up what company is actually making money?
>same language that JAPAN IS FINISHED when le monkey game came out>years later eek ook monkey remains the only gamechinese propaganda is fucking pathetic.
>>745077427This is why I will always look fondly on the three OGs, Kiana, Bronya and Mei. Looking back at GGZ, it feels very nostalgic on how unapologetically weeb Mihoyo was back then. Meanwhile I don't think they even using japanese songs anymore in their games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymhj5tgab28
>>745077579The funniest part is that they STILL need Japan to shill their games.If the game fails in Japan, the game is dead to the rest of the world.
>>745077579they released wuchang and AI limit last year, and PBZ is in september I think.
>>745073208>I have never ever seen japs act racist or act impolite for that matter onlinemay i introduce you to girlschannel?
>>745077670WOWIE ZOWIE, THE AI limit? Amazing!
>>745077710It's an amazing game yes and I'm still waiting for the dlc.
>>745077710don't worry synth chinks will make a futa game eventually.
>gachashit dies in nipponland>japs are now forced to go back to their roots and make true quality games>meanwhile chinks keep making gachaslop for the lowest common denominator >all is right with the worldthe future looks bright
>>745077648Chinks, gooks, and their simps have trouble accepting the fact their games are only relevant because they LOOK like anime, PLAY (albeit halfassedly) like one, and people are insterested in japanese stuff, not chinese/korean culture and what not, not because they are chinese or korean made.
>>745077802>implyingThat means japan will have no choice but to play chink and korea gacha. They still predominantly play gacha over real games.
>>745077832The best asian games just pretend to be japanese that's true.
>>745077802They're going to keep chasing the gacha high because nobody wants to carrying around a Switch 2 for their daily commute.
>>745077916>>745077832and the best part being that japan can't even make an anime game that can compete with them.
>the thought of japan going back to make actual games makes the gachanigger shudder#noooticing
>>745076138I'd like "swapslop" if the other party members were on field and fighting alongside the active character... like most non-gacha action RPGs with parties. But when it's designed like a Tag fighting game, it's fucking boring, like I'm playing an MMO and cycling through the skills on my hotbar without looking at the screen.>>745076306Besides swapslop being reductive, each character has one skill/ult/swapslop trigger that naturally leads to routine rotations of cycling through characters with zero need to consider what the enemy is doing at all, one-character-at-a-time design is a further exacerbation of my gripe of having a large group of characters but you can only have x amount of them fighting at once.Coincidentally, a would-be gacha turned proper retail game straddles the line. Dragonsword has a bit more meat to each character's set of skills, and while it has single-character swapslop DNA, it's possible to queue attacks/skills or conditional actions (pic related, the other two party members are stabbing the boss in the head) so that 2-3 characters are acting in tandem. While swapslopping via applying status effects and triggering Tag Combos is where the bulk of damage comes from, it's more than viable to stick to a single character since most characters can apply at least two status effects and perform trigger skills by themselves.
>>745077967Yea japs are retarded.>make something great>refuse to invest more >sit on a pile of money for a while>get dabbed on by rivals that actually invested in the idea>lose all the steamA tale as old as time.
wait a secondis 7Remake swapslop?
>>745077802>japs are now forced to go back to their roots and make true quality gamesYes... RPG Maker horror games!
>>745078065>I'd like "swapslop" if the other party members were on field and fighting alongside the active character... like most non-gacha action RPGs with parties. But when it's designed like a Tag fighting game, it's fucking boring, like I'm playing an MMO and cycling through the skills on my hotbar without looking at the screen.I fucking hate party Ys as well and it has party on the field.
>>745077832bro, not even the most hardcore sinaboos like the CCP-mandated chinawank patches.
>>745077932What if they start making real games for phones like Balatro or STS? Is that too much to ask?
>>745078060even if nips never make another gacha gooks and chinks will keep making them.
>>745078117There's not a single fucking trash chink gacha half as entertaining as the witch's house.
>>745078117I'd love that actually.
>>745078117yume nikki is extremely popular among chinks and gooks, bwo
>>745078060Shudder what? Japan hasn't been making anime games at any capacity remotely close to whatever china makes since the fucking 2000s, what makes you think they will start doing it now? Look at how garbage companies like koei tecmo treat atelier or how bandai namco treats its shounen jump IPs. You'd think they'd magically make a game like ZZZ but isn't gacha and has high quality anime models? As if. They'd send it out to die and keep thinking that anime games aren't worth the effort. Look at how mishandled jujutsu kaisen and demon slayers games were. The fucking chainsawman game is a fucking mobile game for example.
>>745068138Actually FGO beat them
>>745076991Chink console manufacturers doko?
>>745074854No, they're not
>>745078371Erm your polystation?
>>745078060most gachaniggers arent loyal to china or korea, it's just sunk cost at display.Both countries are also hardening their anti-obscenity laws so we will soon have fun seeing them twist themselves trying to justify whatever censorship chink/gook games will be hit with,
>>745078464>anti-obscenity lawsCope.
>>745078527Safe horny
>>745078285It still shocks me just how bad Jump Force games are. Massive IPs, massive cultural footprint, absolutely dogshit games with zero budget that somehow looks worse than games made by indie teams. Sad they peaked on DS.
>>745071863That's correct. Perfect World admitted on their financial statement that they lost money even with NTE's launch due to high advertising costs. Gacha doesn't make money anymore.
>>745069403>thing is, where else can we get tits and assI don't understand the idea of investing in a gacha just so tits and ass can be sold to you. You can see infinite tits and ass by equally skilled artists on the internet mostly for free. Hell you don't even need to play these shitty games to see the tits and ass contained within.Someone make this shit make sense.
>>745078371Chinks can't create, they only make inferior copies of what already exists for shitskins with phones.
>>745078584I want to interact and see the tits and ass on my own account and my own device. It's like pirating a game vs owning the game on steam. It's just not the same.
>>745068010>>745068139Also I remember jp journos talking about how flexible was the cn/kr environment, those comoanies could answer players feedback and inmediately fix the game issues next patches, it was unheard of and still japanese companies struggle with basic QoL
>>745078584It's china. They lie, about every single thing. Lying is a virtue in china. When they say they make gorrilions for GRORIOUS CHINAH, they're lying out of their asses.
>>745078527mind you that those laws exist to put a band-aid to ever falling birth rates, which both china and korea are MOGGING japan with.
>>745068540i dont get why they let monsterstrike die in the western release.i understand why it died since there was no easy multiplayer because its was proximity based which worked for japan. but theres no reason they couldnt have programed a way to play with randoms in the game. game was fun.
>>745078690japanese companies don't watch to change, trust younger game devs or improve their services, they just want to make money from pngs forever.
>>745078690For china, it's just pure brute force numbers. Japan, with its much lower work force, simply cannot compete with thousands of chinese employees and often have to outsource stuff to indians, filipinos, and vietnamese.
>>745078572I think the most mishandled IP is gundam. Fucking gundam. Multiple decades of lore and content and a sick ass concept and not a single worthwhile game. How in the fuck.
>>745078464any obescenity laws wont make korean men want to deal with korean femisnm or suddenly give chinese delivery drivers the money for a wedding dowery.games aren't the cause for people not pursuing a family just a cope.
>>745078897gihren's ambition is one of the best games ever made. fuckin' retard.
>>745079013>TRPGWhy not just play SRW then?
>>745078897I rather like their musou games, especially 2+3, G Gens (not as good as SRW), Breakers, and random PS2+PSP games of their like the battle series, gihren greed, Zeonic Front and that weird PS2 jRPG (Saga I think).Would be nice if there was investment into an actual high budget game, and not just money-sink meme like metaverse they've done, but what can you do. I guess they also tried to go first party with Gundam Breakers with NEW, but wow that was awful.
>>745078371Where do you think your consoles are made in?
>>745079080Completely different target audiences. SRW is about flashy trpg fights and fanservice, Gihren is about war simulation autism.
>>745079181>>745078897Well there's a new gundam game but wow that didn't look like gundam at all. Looked like armored core vs aliens.
>>745078371They make phones.
>>745079258Yeah, I am not too excited about it given the Pacific Rim look of it. I know aliens technically exist in the series, both in lovecraftian sense (UC manga) and the humanoid types like in AGE, but it still feels wrong to have them instead of keeping it purely human conflict that's always at the heart of Gundam.
So in the end, China won...
>>745068994Didn't RPGX have that debt fiasco? Also Lilith is wasting their resources on shitty sfw gacha and flooding all their shit with AI and losing their artists they've had for almost 20 years
