>”Jack Thompson was right but we don’t want to admit it”: The Game
>>745172985No, Jack Thompson's thing was that children should not have access to violent video games. And now we have 9 year olds playing GTA Online. So in a way yeah, he was right.
>>745172985>Jack ThompsonWas a grifter for boomer audience, like Anita for millennials
>>745173063Modern zoomers have basically become as puritan as 90s Christian boomers. So many of them go into a frothing rage the second they see sexy fanservice in anime like Bleach, or when someone goes on a rampage in GTA.
>>745172985What does Jack Thomson have to do with dressing up recruitment ads as entertainment?
the game was not personally insulting you. how low IQ do you have to be to get personally insulted by a game talking about how a traumatized guy can't be honest with himself
>>745172985Fuck you OP you faggot, I just lost.
>>745173357>If you play this violent game, you’ll end up killing people IRL!And>If you play this violent game, you’ll end up killing people in the military IRL!Are basically the same message, you do realize?
this game was way too over analysed for what it is
>>745173485Jack's platform was all about how impressionable kids are. I doubt he would give a fuck about what I play. Furthermore, Spec Ops was never about the players becoming killers in real life
Deep...
>>745173424Devs actually confirmed the contrary.>But muh death of the autho-Loading screens spell it out.
>>745173707>Spec Ops was never about the players becoming killers in real lifelol
The game's message failed because they didn't make it so after you had accomplished the original objective, you could walk all the back to the starting point of that first level and get a cutscene ending.that was all they had to do
>>745173635Blame the video essayists for trying to make the story out to be some Stanley Parable-esque meta-commentary on Call of Duty, even though the story stops making sense when you view it that way.
>>745173862The loading screens are the voices in his head, not yours.Can you picture an apple?
>jews erased another piece of historyim tired /v/ros
>>745173870What's so funny?
>>745173318It's an immune system response to the rise of the LGBTP.
>>745172985Most people who do stupid debates about that game in recent days are people who don't realize that game SPECIFICALLY was done as a reaction to what were military games...in the early 2010s. Things are very different today as 14 years has passed since it's release. To put into perspective, 14 years, that's the difference between games made in 1998 and 2012, the year of that game release.But considering the game isn't even available anymore and has being so for quite some time, and the overall pretty awful sales it got, I think most people talking haven't even played the game at all. They just base themselves on stupid video essays.
>>745172985as a game is pretty mediocre
The ultimate message of Spec Ops is “Call of Duty sucks ass.” The political themes, while real, are secondary to the fairly trivial intended theme. It’s like how everyone threw a fit about The Boys’s politics when it’s really just about how Garth Ennis hates capeshit.
>developer: the player is the bad guy, they killed so many people, they need to stop playing>publisher: well then to save everyone's lives inside the game I'll delist it from every store>developer: NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
>>745174240The shitpost demo/promo game Bulletstorm made to promote itself did that betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCDTA2ODTg
>>745173974>Conveniently skips over the dev commentI accept your concession and reject your axewound stench.
>>745173974>his headYour head.
>>745173063>>745173707>GTA onlineAnd? As a kid I played GTA and I could figure it was a fictional video game. Like, Space Invaders. Now I watch exclusively moé cgct slice of life. Simple as that. You're wronger than you think you're and pozzed by the system if you fell for any of it.
>THIS STOPPED BEING A GAME, CHUD
>>745173862>>745173974>>745174379>Do you feel like a hero yetQuote said by Konrad to walker at the end of the game.>if you were a good person you wouldnt be hereAnother quote, specifically referring to walkers orders to leave dubai before.You have been seething for years at ingame quotesLmao
>>745173318>or when someone goes on a rampage in GTA.they are perfectly fine with that because they are the ones doing that sort of thingthey just hate anime fanservice
>>745174147I mean, so is Chrono Trigger.But people still suck it off as a Masterpiece
>>745174478Are these also in his head?
>Gamers are incapable of understanding what an unreliable narrator is>Want to be taken seriously as an artform when you can't even understand something like Huckleberry Finn
>>745174448>and?And nothing. Jack Thomson was a retarded zealot
>>745174535>This is all your faultSaid by Lugo to Walker in an hallucination>The others were already addressed.Also>The game isnt about you, you are just called a "Special Guest" in Walker's storyYou LostLmao
>>745173063Jack Thompson had a lot of things. He hated Mass Effect for having sexual relationships, for example.
for me it's all the idiots who seethed at Dishonored's high chaos ending. like my dude, you're absolutely coming undone by a 30 second long static image slideshow because it called you a naughty boy.
>>745174591Member when Luigi said "bruh, you can sprint by pressing down the power button"
14 years later and self-insertfags STILL buttblasted by this game lmao
>>745174478>if i ignore the evidence and the devs intention then my delussions win!!you just sound retarded though, like the game is right there telling you all that and the devs too
>>745174634So you have been seething at the game for...Having tutorials in loading screens?
>>745174592Actually he said the hate for mass effect was massively overblown.
>>745174657>self-insertfagsthe devs themselves?
>>745174535>addressing players directly, calling out the atrocities they and Walker had commited
>>745174664>Evidence>Devs intentionsQuick anon.If the game doesnt allude to it at all but the dev says 1 year it does.Does it become true? Are we celestw all over again?
>>745174693so are they telling that to the players or are they not?it's a simple question but one your raped ass won't respond
>>745174693So you have been a disingenuous twat for... how long?
>>745174756>Does it become true?Yes.
Such genius creators of such a banger must've made even more blasts, right?Let's seehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/868270/The_Cycle_Frontier/UH OH, STINKY
>>745174756>doesnt allude to it at allbut the games does, it has been posted here all over and it's in the game and the multiple gameplay videos of it, you are just ignoring it because it debunks your idea
>>745174780>so are they telling that to the players or are they not?Yes.They are explaining things about the game in loading screen anon.Just as explaining the themes of the game by questioning if walker is a hero, and presenting the player with the fact it may be cognitive dissonanceYou understand?
These are so deep, I'm so glad I lived long enough to experience this masterpiece
>>745174841the were in charge of dead island 2 at one point too, it looked like shit and was going to be constant side quests with no real story
>>745174572nobody with a brain thinks games are art, you play them to unwind and have fun. the ingame artstyle and music can be considered art but the gameplay of killing, stealing and gambling cannot
>>745172985Why are zoomers pretending Spec Ops was good?
>>745174915>Can you even remember why you came here?Wtf where did I go?
>>745172985ngl I love the tweest of this game.Since it's based on Heart of Darkness you assume you play as Marlow as in Captain Walker but in reality you're Kurtz if a sequel been greenlit you would probably play as the role of Marlow
>>745174535Does this actually say the devs think the players are bad people? It comes off as them manipulating the average "turn your brain off" player into thinking about what's happening in these games.We get it. You were already aware you were committing war crimes in call of duty. Spec ops is for dumber people than you
>>745175049>Does this actually say the devs think the players are bad people?This one is>>745174469
>>745175079Holy shit you sure seem a bit obssesed about this gameAre you its #1 fan in secret?
>>745175079Can you highlight the part that calls you a bad person?
>>745174874>Just as explaining the themesno, no retardo, i asked a clear question and you are already moving the goalpost again.in your words both are just lines, so the "move the stick to the left" and the other lines are talking to walker or to the player? yes or no
>>745175137Holy shit, you seem to not have any arguments!
>>745174240This
>>745174915>how many americans have you killed today>you cant go home>this is no time for weaknessGuys why is there a guy outside my house with a sledgehammer?
>>745174478>But this isn't real, so why would you care?>To kill for entertainment is harmlessGay.>SeethingProjection.
BU
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>>745172985Anon would see the words>Walker you did thisAnd tell himself>Well I did it so I must be walker
>>745175431>child rape is funnyDid a leftist write this?
>>745175506Wait what else would the bumper sticker mean?
>>745175506so that's where Tim got the idea for that sketch
>>745175523>fun things are funDid a faggot write this post
>>745175872>>745175905
>>745172985>it's another youtubers said a game is good so /v/ has to seethe about it episode>>745173318The reality is, everyone inherently has a conscience and knows inside themselves that degeneracy is bad. So when gen x and millennials try to erase that and force the idea that every kind of degeneracy imaginable is perfectly ok and you're a nazi chud if you disagree, then younger generations are going to react against that. Our culture has absolutely no fucking idea what to do with itself now that God is dead. We cannot exist functionally without religion. It's been proven that killing God has been a failed experiment. All we have now is confused culture war extremists constantly seething against each other without even really knowing why.
>>745173318If you see someone posting shit about porn addiction or whatever it's likely a puritan zoomer retard.
>>745174664>>745174535>>745174423>>745174379Unironically too dumb to get it. They paint things yellow in video games for people like you.
>>745176034>No argument>WhatsoeverI already accepted your concession. Dilate.
>>745175964Cant wait for the chrono trigger remake to come out so everyone shits on it as it deserves.Shit has been overrated for so long.
>>745176075>I am LITERALLY Jason Soldiermanlmao go play your switch
>>745176208>NOO YOU SEE THEY CALLED ME A BAD PERSON REEEE
>>745176285Bring more dogs
>>745176208>>745176285Confirmed by devs. Confirmed by game. Cope and seethe, dimwits.
>>745176415In the memeThe midwits are the ones crying and aeething while grugs and chads enjoy it.
>>745176415>a metanarrative is beyond his comprehensionHow would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>YOU JUST DON'T GET ITWhat a pathetic starving artfag cope
>>745176735>protagonist is bound by the story to make a mistake>wtf why can I just make my own story?
>>745176735You chose to kill it. Fool. Nobody put a gun to your head, you did it because you wanted to feel entertained and because you follow orders without thinking. Good boy.
>>745176809>pretends to not understandyawn
>>745173063He wanted or was pushed to help ban games.Now we have many countries trying to add ID verification to anything connected to the internet.
>>745176858It's time to admit that Jack Thompson was right about everything.
>>745176857What am I not understanding?The need for a big event to happen to move the story?I think they dumbed down this concept for you moviefans as a "canonical event" or something
>>745176848Actual retard. The entire rest of the game is locked behind doing these required actions solely so they can't act morally superior and smug.Just like you're doing, retard. Legitimately just kill yourself so nobody has to suffer your annoying ass.
>>745176952Keep proving the image right, then.
>aeething
>>745175872Anon ur adorable (and autistic).Car horns are for getting other people's attention, but more often used in traffic/driving situations to voice displeasure with other drivers. By putting a "Honking means you like pizza" sticker you are telling people behind you (who would be doing the honking) that you are choosing to interpret their displeasure as support for ____ (whatever is on the bumper sticker). It's a funny way of saying "i don't care if you honk at me".>>745175964>it's another youtubers said a game is good so /v/ has to make sure their viewers don't rewrite fucking historyftfy
>>745177181The image is right.It has to be right for the story to work because Walker deliberately didnt leave and disobeyed his orders.
>>745172985The problem is that it is just not very good how they implemented it and didn't used the medium at all as you could do the same exact thing with a movie and it would be lame there.A well done version of this do offer the choice, but actually convince you at doing it.However that would also require admitting that you're right in doing the horrible thing.
>>745176714>metanarrativeyou don't know what that word means and that's why you use it here
Cool gay fillings, Jack.
>>745177342>>it's another youtubers said a game is good so /v/ has to make sure their viewers don't rewrite fucking history>ftfyAbout timeWhen are we doing the same for the dogshit 3dslibrary thats overblown to hell and back?>mh4u>fire emblem>sm4sh>anything kirby>kid icarus borderlandrising
>>745177492Dont forget Links Awakening tooDark souls and The Last of Us.Also red dead 2 and 1 anything rockstar reallyAnd specially chrono trigger
>>745175964how is that gimp suspended? are the boot soles nailed to that plank?
>>745176735>player chooses not to use WP because why would they?>the consequences of such an act never sink inYou really don't get it
>>745175506anon would see the devs and the game explicitely saying>you did thisand think to himself>hurrr duurrr ima retsrd i don't now how to read but its the oppsite
>People on /v/ seriously defending Moralfaggotry: The Video Game
>>745177660AnonHow many people have you killed in your lifetime?
>>745174061Fuck Frogposters
>>745177587The main problem is that it just don't work, it is ridiculed because its a dumb tactic that don't convey what the developers wanted to convey.You don't feel like you did that, you don't learn anything but "hollywood rejects should not be doing games because they don't understand how the media works".
>>745176081>I want a game to be bad because I'm a miserable faggot!What causes this?
>>745173318>Modern zoomersPeople on tiktok rage baiting do not represent the masses. The masses are stupid sheep yes but they hold no opinions so your premise is false.
>>745177891Anon the game is already mediocreThe best the remake could do is actually make it a good jrpg
>>745177847>you don't feel like you did thatSure, if you go back and analyze it. The resulting carnage should be shocking enough that you're not thinking about if you really had a choice, at least on a blind playthrough
>>745176478>I do as the wojak does, it is based and I am not onionsThe absolute state of youngsters on the internet.>>745176714>Ignores blatant confirmationYou lost the argument. 15 Izzat has been deducted from your caste's ledger.
>>745177753>>745178089AnonAnswer the question
Jack Thompson forced my local video store to make me show ID for Twilight Princess. Fucking Twilight Princess. And I had a beard at the time.
>>745172985This game would get as much discussion as Haze (read: none) if it didn't tack on this midwit one-shotting narrative device
game was mid when i played it back in the day
>another spec ops the line thread>another gaggle of retards getting trolled by another retardthis will never stoptruly a game for the ages
>>745178490>Anon doesnt know this is all performative so the thread doesnt dieBET YOU THINK YOU ARE WALKER TOO
>>745172985>Apocalypse now for the desert war generation
>>745178043As a "the war is something horrific" it absolutely works.It's watching a movie about the war being terrible, but it fail at blaming the player.
>>745177404Unironically, the game Spec Ops is trying to criticize, Call of Duty MW2, does a way better job of this in the 'No Russian' mission. The player never had to shoot the civilians to progress the mission, yet most did anyways
>>745178734Fair enough. I liked it for the "war is horrific" angle. I haven't seen a lot of that outside of the line and world at war
>>745178870The voice acting and soundtrack are pretty good too
>>745178795No Russian never really gives the player time to digest it. It's just an escalating action set piece that throws you into a completely unrelated scenario as soon as it's done
>>745172985>Get to the part with the white phosphorous>Characters walking through the burned aftermath>A white phosphorous victim looks at them, barely managed to croak out 'Whyyyy?' before dyingLaughed uncontrollably. You guys didn't tell me this was a comedy game.
Every time I play a zombie game I'm really infecting a billion people with the zombie virus. I am actually the one infecting them as if I never turned the game on they would never have existed.This is what Jack Thompson actually believes
>>745179170Glad youre enjoying it
>>745179214I tossed it after that.
>>745174469>one guyI know that between your childhood nintendo games and the indies you played in college you think games are all made by one big visionary with an army of servants, but that isnt how this works, There are three writers for the line.
>>745178043Man for a 2012 game this looks like total dogshit and that's saying something.
>>745174592The irony to this is that Mass Effect is incredibly tame compared to something like TLOU2 which had a straight up sex scene in it.
>>745173318It's performative, they know women hate it when men have easy access to sexual gratification and they're desperate to get any female affection since the dating market is so grim these days, so they basically just enter desperate turbosimp mode.
>>745179752And they're all shit lmao
>>745173318the attack on titan discourse really had me scratching my head people were so offended by a fictional genocide it's crazy lmao, the recent obsession discourse on what basically amounts to a goosebumps style story of wish gone wrong about all le "SA" stuff also comes to mind, these people are all mind broken, it's like they cannot engage with media beyond the depth of a puddle, they must have the characters all affirming their thoughts and worldviews at all times otherwise it's le problematic and we can't have that!
>>745179278As in, tossed the game? Or jorqed your peanuts?
>>745174067i suppose it's amusing that he thinks encouraging self-reflection is philosophically equivalent to saying the impressionable can be fooled
>>745179170this reminds me of monster, how it's constantly in 3x3 threads and in top lists because of how "deep" and "intellectual" it is>series opens up with doctor operating on terminal patient>unfortunately, couldn't save him, patient dies>doctor breaks the news to family lady>she starts crying and punching him>"GIVE HIM BACK, GIVE HIM BACK"w-woah... so this is... the depth... of this... tragedy... it truly speaks to the heart of the human condition...I legit almost started laughing too about how goofy it all is, felt like something some amateur film director would come up with and this is the top example of a "deep" anime that so many people parrot? lmao I swear most people that have monster in their top lists haven't even watched or read it
>>745173635its really just a cool military shooter where youre in a morally grey situation and get to see the main characters get more rugged, injured, and barbaric as it goes on. Its cool for that. it doesnt need to be anything else.
>>745174469>"let that mother roar"Couldn't even let that motherfucking sentence roar. The author couldn't even put their own point into practice. Pathetic irony.
>>745173942It just came at a time where where even the mainstream children were picking up that CoD was a useful military recruitment tool, so a story dunking on the military fps power fantasy campaign was timely, even if spec ops delivery of it was heavy handed dogshit
>>745174423>I knew peoples wouldn't stop, They'd keep going because we have trained them to believe they were the good guys.no, it's because they paid for the game, so even if they don't like it very much, they will keep playing it, otherwise it would be a waste of money>the us military does not consone the killing of unarmed combattants. But this isn't real, so why should you care Exactly, they weren't actual people, just NPCs; so I feel more guilt when I accidentally crush a snail than when I slaughter virtual civilians.
>>745176925and this is exactly where they fuck up. They can't have their cake and eat it too. You want to make the player feel bad for their choices, okay - but they have to BE legitimate choices. No, >just don't watch the movie, close the book, turn off the gameis not a legitimate choice in the media. Especially when you say >the fact you chose to play the game X way makes YOU THE PLAYER a bad person, and I'm now going to harp on this continuously. This isn't an unreliable narrator story you're experiencing (You) did this you monster, sitting there with the controller in your hand! Aren't I deep and transgressive and make you uncomfortable! GOOD!
>>745173318Probably the fact that porn is so readily accessible online for zoomers that that traditional fanservice is probably redundant after jacking off to hyper specific 4k AI VR porn 30 seconds prior.No idea what you mean about GTA though, zoomers are pretty gung ho for fictional violence.
>>745182281You're probably right. I remember being perplexed by teenage boys in the media getting hyped over stuff like Sears catalogues
spec ops made me realize how many flesh automatons will just melt down if you ask them something as simple as "why do you do what you do"
>>745183202>how would you feel if you killed hundreds with white phospour>but i did kill them this morning
>>745176735but he didnt make you do it. You did it because you wanted to progress. You were not 'made' to do it or forced inn any way.
>>745183202
>>745182247Well yes you are choosing to engage in a murder sim and your defense is you paid to experience it and experiencing it is the point of its existence. So it stands to reason its fair to highlight why such a experience exists in the first place. Which is what you refuse to do and youre justifying it by claiminng you were forced to engage with the product when you werent.
>>745174117Given their high rate of trooning out I would say that's more of a virtue signal than actually held beliefs.
>>745182247How many fucking times do people have to reiterate the same point to get it through your thick skull?THE PERCEIVED POWERLESSNESS IS THE POINT OF THE STORYTHE OPTION OF SHUTTING THE GAME OFF SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE JUST LIKE HOW LEAVING DUBAI WASN'T SEE AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO WALKERIN DOING THIS THE GAME PUTS YOU IN THE SHOES OF WALKER
>>745176735>I don't want toThe game is nothing but a typical military shooter up until that point. Unless you spoiled yourself on the game there's no reason to even consider the possibility of an alternate route
>Wikileaks, the gameLefitst guilt fantasyBros.....I can't napalm the muzzies......am I the badguy????
>>745172985This game was easily one of the worst tps of the generation and it's appalling that so many npcs talk it up because of the story.
>>745183761>THE OPTION OF SHUTTING THE GAME OFF SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE JUST LIKE HOW LEAVING DUBAI WASN'T SEE AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO WALKERI PAID SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS FOR THE GAME FUCKTARD, THEIR SHITTY MESSAGE ENDS THE SECOND THEY START CHARGING REAL FUCKING MONEY FOR IT
>>745183646The problem is your argument only makes sense if the game were a free download (legally free, not "just pirate it bro") and thus not subject to the expectations of being a paid product.If you are going to be a preachy bitch, I expect you to PAY me to hear your nonsense, at the bare minimum I expect the karen lecture to be free as a compromise, as a full priced game the "you choose to play it bro, just don't play it bro" is straight up asinine.
>>745183813fuckin libtard sjws ruining my aryan fantasy
>>745183646>>745183761The arguments break down when the developer specifically, in multiple places from intermediary loading screen shit to the interviews posted in this very thread, put the onus and culpability on the player themselves and suggest they're bad evil corrupt people in the >why would anyone play a heckin murder simulator if they weren't almost a murderer guys only a very broken person who isn't thinking about how horrible they are and desensitized and etc.style of justification. If you want to parallel Walker's story that's fine, but you don't get to claim that its the player's fault or it suggests they're a heckin psycho for playing a military shooter or whatever the hell else; can't do both credibly.
>>745183934>If you are going to be a preachy bitch, I expect you to PAY me to hear your nonsenseDid toby fox pay you for undertale?
>>745183934I dunno, you paid for a murder simulator. You were a bad guy even before turning the game off became an option. The only people who get mad at mirrors are ugly
>>745183950Bleeding heart faggots actually, like you
GOATed game of all time
>>745183909>Shutting the game off shouldn't be seen as a viable alternative>"Well shutting the game of didn't seem like a viable alternative to me, checkmate dumbass"The discourse on Spec Ops continues to prove Roger Ebert right because the second a game is more complicated narratively than Doom it exposes 99.9% of gamers are mouthbreathing knuckledragging mongoloids.
undertale did it better
>>745184025My uncle killed 1000 slants in vietnam; he lives in new jersey and tells Vietnamese people he killed all of their cousins regularly.
>>745172985The fuck does Jack Thompson have to do with "I FUCKING HATE MILITARY SHOOTERS: The Military Shooter".
>>745183983You assume I even liked zoomertale, it's also ass like this slop.At least undertale actually gives you the option of a pacifist route however.
>>745183646the argument basically boils down to “you chose to consume this, therefore you’re not allowed to question what it’s depicting or why it was made”, that’s a pretty bizarre standard to apply to art, you can make the exact same argument about movies, I mean if a director makes an extremely violent movie, it would be ridiculous to respond to criticism with “well, you paid to watch it, so clearly you wanted blood”, the audience didn’t create the movie, the director did, the fact that people chose to engage with it doesn’t somehow transfer responsibility for its content onto themand this is something movies have been arguing about for decades, when filmmakers get criticized for excessive violence, exploitation, gore, etc, we don’t generally pretend the audience is secretly the author and that the movie only exists because “people want blood”, we can ask what the filmmaker was trying to say, what the work is actually doing, and whether it succeeds or fails on those terms, you can obviously criticize someone for willingly engaging with something too, but that’s a different argument, “you chose to play it” is not a rebuttal to “this game chooses to portray murder in this particular way and I think that choice is worth criticizing”it’s also kind of ironic that video games still get dragged back into this incredibly basic “if you consume it, you wanted it” argument when other forms of media have spent decades moving past it, the creator made the choices, the audience choosing to experience those choices doesn't make the audience responsible for making them
>>745184149>gamers are retarded because they are not paying me SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS to experience my karen lecturing over how evil they are and how they are bad people for wanting to play video gameswhen you put it that way, spec ops the line was ground zero for all the DEI wokeslop policies in westoid vidya
>>745177908>uhm acskhually no one has any opinions durrWhat an absolutely retarded post.
>>745184181I respect the fact he doesn't beat around the bush about it. He knows what he is, unlike you, blaming the proverbial gun store for the murder you committed
>>745184209So its preachy bullshit but atleast it gives you the option to transition?
>>745184149I dunno man, the black mirror bandersnatch episode does the whole "You can stop this at any time" schtick a lot more convincingly.
>>745182281Nah, then they'd just be indiffirent by fanservice, not angered by it.
>>745184240thats not what the argument boils down to you are allowed to question all you want. But youre also allowed to stop engaging with it. You are twisting "I want to engage with it to see it through to the end" and the game pointing this out with "OH SO IM JUST NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION ANYTHING HUH?" Which is not what its saying by pointing out you are engaging with the story and concept even when the absurdity is clear. So since you are wrong about what the 'argument boils down to' none of the rest of your post is relevannt
>>745184283That argument only works on people who played the game.Anon who didn't play the game here: I think spec ops the line fucking sucks and it's stupid.
>>745184308its preachy bullshit that actually gives you the option to not kill the dog and has a whole route behind not killing the dogsin this goyslop you straight up cannot refuse to kill the dog unless you want the game to be softlocked and be forced to close the game
>>745183934no it actually makes more sense since its not free and you intentionally saught it out with your own money. Youre dead set on not accepting this premise and evading it at all cost to avoid the game connecting with you based on principle but you are just wrong it makes more sense when youre financially involved if it was free then you would have no stake in it yourself but you paid a price of admission out of interest.
>>745184379>But youre also allowed to stop engaging with it.Right, but the creators are still responsible for all of the content and not the player. NTA
>>745183956nah youre just wrong and the same back and forth conversation has been going now for years because you act emotionally charged over a really simple position and it baits people into engaging when you know youre the minority and the vast majority did not get as emotional and offended as you
>>745184525>it's your own fault for not knowing what you were getting into and expecting something else>it's your fault for not knowing despite the other party actively hiding ityou know you're acting like a literal tranny that manages to bait some poor guy into sex and blaming the guy for being disgusted at your axe wound, right?pretty sure a tranny prostitute pretending to be female and hiding it until the sex happens then refusing refunds and blaming the costumer can be considered straight up fraud in places where sex work is legal
>>745184505I think if you can't be a fan of a game you didn't play, then you can't be a critic of one either
>>745184525>if it was free then you would have no stake in it Yeah you would. You have to invest time in order to play the game. Time is money.
>>745184521>Preachy bullshit that ripped off Live A LiveI see
>BUT THEY DIDN'T LET ME CHOOOOOOOOOOOOSEThe crowd scene. It spells out the entire theme of the game.
>>745184379I think you're the one making a presumption about what “seeing it through to the end” means, continuing to engage with something doesn't inherently mean “I want this experience” in the sense you're assigning to it, people finish movies, books, games, etc, because they want to understand where they're going, what they're trying to say, or whether they ultimately justify what they've been doing, “just stop engaging with it” is technically an option, but it's not really an argument against criticism, if anything, that's a pretty impoverished way of engaging with art, “this bothers me or I don't like what it's doing, therefore I should immediately stop rather than see where it goes”, a work can be uncomfortable, frustrating, or even repellent and still be worth engaging with precisely because you want to interrogate itthat's why I don't think “you chose to continue” establishes what you think it establishes, you're taking the player's continued engagement as proof that they accept the premise the game is criticizing them for, but that's exactly what's being questioned, someone can continue because they're curious, because they want to see the story through, because they're analyzing it, or simply because they don't know where the work is going yet, if the game's point is genuinely “you're participating in this despite recognizing its absurdity” that's fine, but then the interesting question is whether the game actually demonstrates that point, rather than simply asserting it and treating continued engagement as proof, otherwise it's basically “you kept playing, therefore I was right about why you kept playing”and that's where the art analogy matters, nobody watching an uncomfortable or violent movie is obligated to walk out the moment they dislike something, they can then say “this was justified” or “this was gratuitous and the director failed”, continuing to watch doesn't invalidate the latter criticism
>>745184525Anon I'm genuinely amazed you have been baiting people for this long. Going between art for art's sake and you need to pay for it for it to make sense is crazy work
>>745184603You're allowed to think it's fucked up that you've been mindlessly consuming this kind of content while thinking it's fucked up that the industry sells this kind of content for entertainment. The two ideas don't contradict each other
>>745184805I don't think any of it is 'fucked up', I love violence in games and shit. Spec Ops is just written in a juvenile way.
>>745184630Who said anything about being a critic? This isn't high art. It's a writer who sucks his own farts and went "what if the game called you a loser for playing it?" It's for fags. And you prove it every time you reply.Though you won't have time to do that because I'm not actually interested in arguing with a pedantic little homo. Bye fag.
>>745184692Don't let players choose in-game and they will choose outside of it, and whoops, now all westoid goyslop is crashing down due to being preachy bullshit that actively hates it's audience.Go figure.
>>745173318>>745175964>>745179943>>745182281It's because zoomers were in primary school during the 2010's which was peak feminist hysteria, so they have all been conditioned by bitter angry feminist teachers to hate anything which is meant to appeal no normal heterosexual men. That's why they cry and piss themselves over sex appeal and fan service now.
>>745184886I like violent games too. I'll be the first to admit I spent hours deliberately running over people in GTA 4. It's still fucked up
video essays werent even a thing during sotl's peak popularity so i dont understand this retardation
>>745181521Not how it went in Monster, dumbass. You only got the last part right.
>>745185287oh yeah? please correct me then anon, please tell me what actually happened that makes this soap opera/telenovela tier dialogue somehow good
>>745185383No bro you don't get it, ecelebs and "critics" say it's good so you're objectively in the wrong for disagreeing with LE CONSENSUS.
>>745185383idk, 80 episodes for a monster of the week drama is too much, but i think its exploration of Nazis and how they're MONSTERs is pretty well done
>>745185383>Genius neurosurgeon was called in to operate on a poor Turk>Suddenly ordered to operate on a VIP minutes before the operation>Chooses to let a substitute take over, even though the operation is difficult and likely wouldn't succeed without him>Turk dies>Wife of the Turk later on blames him for choosing to operate on the other guy instead of sticking with himThe wife's reaction makes sense even if melodramatic (most people are). He could in fact have saved him if he chose differently, but he didn't. Try actually paying attention next time.
>>745185835I love how you spend a long time describing things that don't meaningfully change anything only to end up at>The wife's reaction makes sense even if melodramatic (most people are).in a very poor attempt to defend the soap opera/telenovela dialogue, yes most people act like telenovela characters anon, that's for sure!
>>745176934he really, really wasn't.
>>745185109>It's still fucked upNo it isn't. Fictional violence is fun. It's normal.
>>745173063Jack Thompson wanted M-rated games suppressed and gated off to an extent as to make it virtually impossible for them to thrive. His “for the children” shtick was just a cover for the fact that he thought these games shouldn’t be allowed to exist at all. If he had his way, M-rated games would have been banned off of consoles and brick and mortar retail (thus depriving them of 90% of sales) and making it extremely difficult to develop anything with mature themes just like how you hardly ever see AO-rated games because everyone tries to avoid that rating due to risks it carries. Subsequently, what is rated for Teens now would become the new battleground for “mature content”, until that gets gated off and so on until it becomes a hassle to develop anything with themes beyond that of the average bing bing wahoo game.The fact that you and the rest of your generation falls for this grift shows just how pathetically infantile and easily manipulated you are.
>>745185987>yes most people act like telenovela characters anon, that's for sure!How do you think they create the behaviour of their characters in the first place, idiot? Art is mere imitation of Life.
>>745186083L M A O
>>745186076>tranime posterthompson was 100% right
>>745186132Holy fucking christ. Of course the method of presentation must differ in form from that of inquiry. But you must be retarses to have anything against a TV show having a TV show dialogue. That's like your mother complaining about having a numbskulled idiot son.
>>745186132Haven't you ever seen someone being so melodramatic?
>>745185987>that don't meaningfully change anything only to end up atContext and details are what make a story. "Doctor fails to save someone" is completely different from "Doctor chooses to save someone else." You might be genuinely retarded if you can't grasp this.>yes most people act like telenovela charactersNot necessarily, but most people are in fact quite melodramatic, especially about stuff that personally affects them. Just as an example>General orders you to attack the enemy's flank>Instead you raid their supply wagons to plunder stuff>Army routed, hundreds of soldiers dead>General gets angry and shouts at you for ignoring orders>"Gee, sir, why are you being so melodramatic. You don't need to SHOUT at me, geez, just talk normally">Executed next morning
>>745186248>TV show having a TV show dialoguebut I don't, I just told you it's telenovela/soap opera tier, people generally make fun of those and call them stilted for a reason anon
>>745186216ah yes all the trannies that play...the bottom of the barrel basic normie ball and shoot games and not the usual pretentious indie game or the triple AAA writers therapy session.
>>745186216>trannycaseThompson was a grifter and you are an NPC who repeats whatever he is told to. This generation really is the dumbest since the boomers, except where boomers got brainwashed by the TV you got mindkilled by social media.
>>745186439boomers also got brainwashed by social media as well just not in the same way as the young'in's
>>745173974Several are meta, referring to the fact that you're playing a game though?
>>745186376TELEnovelA. IT'S IN THE NAME.
>>745186358it literally doesn't>Doctor chooses to save someone elsethat's not part of the premise that anon described, he said>Suddenly ordered to operate on a VIP minutes before the operation>ordered to operatedo you understand that word? he didn't choose jack shit, I guess in the abstract you could say he could've jeopardized his entire career over the sake of a single life, but that would be on you not understanding that hospitals have to make calls with limited resources all the time, shit happens bro I don't know what else to tell you>Not necessarily, but most people are in fact quite melodramaticyou're so close to getting it, I'm not saying people don't have emotions anon, I'm saying the particular portrayal in the show of the woman screaming "give him back" is a really cheesy, clunky, cheap, hamfisted way of the author beating the audience over the head with its themes, there's a thing called subtlety and restraints which a lot of narratives use in their writing that's still able to convey things just as effectively, if not even more so because the audience is more engrossed by it since it feels more natural, instead of some amateurish overtly exaggerated reaction in an attempt to get an emotional response
>>745176809Idiot.
>>745186628>Subtle = goodOkay. Shut the fuck up. You're too stupid to grasp Monster, MONSTER!!
It's funny to me how so many retards seethe at a cool game about a soldier slowly losing his mind due to the horrors of war, just because it spices things up with metanarrative aimed at the player.
>>745186720I didn't say that at all, I said the dialogue and acting was cheesy and amateurish as fuck which it is, and I would say the same thing about something like the "I am a surgeon" scene from the good doctor, it's a very simple observation anon
>>745186628>do you understand that word? he didn't choose jack shitHe disobeyed the order and operated on someone else instead.
>>745186628>he didn't choose Jack shitTo the person who's barely capable of rational thought due to just losing a loved one who heard the doctor canceled the operation to take a different patient, he did choose.Characters in the show aren't third party observers
Why didn't they just have a less obvious path where you just don't do it? Could be a totally truncated ending. Just something to indicate that you had an actual choice beyond disengaging with the content entirely.
Jack Thomson was nothing more then a self-righteous hypocrite, people who whine about fictional violence but say nothing of real wars or even benefit from said wars should keep their mouths shut.anyone who says "think of the children" puritan types almost always have skeletons in their closets.
>>745186792YOU are the one who went insane from the horror of war. YOU killed them.>>745186858"I am media literate, I am! Hated Monster, I have! On /v/ no less! For I find the drama parts of a drama show dramatically bad, ahaha!"
>>745186628>he didn't choose jack shitYou really didn't watch or read it. The entire plot of Monster started BECAUSE he realized that he could choose, even if he>jeopardized his entire career over the sake of a single lifeThat's the whole damn point.>but that would be on you not understanding that hospitals have to make calls with limited resources all the time, shit happens bro I don't know what else to tell youAnd you expect them to understand this? Most people can't even see what's beyond tomorrow. And in this case the wife's reaction makes perfect sense because she has someone she can blame. If Tenma operated on the guy just like they promised to and he ended up dying anyway, she could maybe accept that the hospital truly did their best to save him. But that wasn't what happened.>subtlety and restraintsSometimes they work, sometimes they don't, just like any tools of writing.
>>745186935why did the war game not just have 3883 different paths programmed to just like, not war, dude? they should of given me a choice between being a good or a bad war guy!
>>745187017I mean that fucking Netflix Black Mirror interactive episode figured it out.
>>745186905of course, I'm not saying someone won't feel terrible after losing a loved one or even blame the doctor for it anon, all I'm saying is the reaction and the dialogue was extremely cheesy with the "give him back stuff" just like I mentioned to the other anon here >>745186858 I don't know how or why this is so hard to grasp apparently, the scene felt cheesy to me>>745186967idk why you're choosing to throw a tantrum over it bro, chill out>>745186998>And you expect them to understand this?see what I wrote above
>>745179943This is basically it. Zoomers are fucked.
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>>745187017>Prompt: Could be a totally truncated ending.>Output: 3883 different paths?!
>>745186940Americans of all people shouldn't be telling others what to think, when they pay taxes and even fight for a country that starts wars for the benefit of its mostly Jewish elitesI'm glad zoomers of all fucking people, are actually realising this.>most of the people here are fucked, anyway>why should I care what some zio pedo has to say?
>>745172985let's not pretend it wasn't just the satanic panic of the 80's or how rock albums were the devil, same shit different smell.>>745187174that's exactly why they are pushing so hard for age verification so that they can control the narrative.
>>745187168you give them an inch they take a fucking milehow many retards wanted a secret prologue leave ending? every morally dubious thing in their toys must be left up to them to decide. they'e evil as fuck, like the psychos from Funny Games
>>745186935Because the game's message relies on shocking the player. There's nothing shocking about "and then Walker left Dubai like he was told to"
>>745187332I feel like I'm having a stroke, it's like you're flip flopping stances mid post.
>>745187530That would literally be subverting the expectations of a violent video game.
>>745187543i'm hungover and canr sleep, i am having a stroke for allncare
>>745173707No Spec Ops is about the player being evil for playing it
>>745176848This philosophy would actually have merit if the game didn't cost money. If you buy a game, you want to at least play it. The white phosphorus scene is like 45 minutes into the game. Consider being a person that just bought the game at full price, would you seriously drop the game after 45 minutes of playtime because "uhh, I'm not okay with the actions being taken..."
Jack Thompson IS right. He always was right. The fact is, all vidya was made for kids and played primarily by then. Even "mature" rated games. Especially those ones. Most San Andreas players were 12 year old boys. The only thing that has changed is that kids arent playing much vidya these days, they're going out on their ebikes and shit. Vidya is propped up by manchildren who got addicted as kids. And the violent games they played as children absolutely did make them more violent and more desensitized to violence. It's undeniable.
>>745175970>t. porn addict
>>745187706roblox and fortnite say otherwise.
>>745172985This game's story and message is great if you completely ignore all the devs retardation on trying to pin the blame on you as a person and think you = Walker and join him on his journey to madness.
GOATed game
>>745187174>Americans of all peopleAmericans are the reason 90% of the civilized world doesn't pay their own defense budget
>>745187803Both have an average player age of 37
>>745187706>God, I fucking hate video games and the people who play them Welp, time to go check on my favorite imageboard: /v/ - Video Games.
>>745187965I'm just gonna come out with it and say the game mechanically, visually, and narratively aren't good enough to earn any kind of metaanalysis of the player and what they're willing to do in a video game.
>>745187706really because I've played plenty of violent video games in my life and not once have I ever thought stealing cars or shooting people is a good idea, maybe if American parents stopped being stupid and lazy and learned the difference between fiction and reality they would not be in the mess they are today.violence in video games is bad but killing people for oil and to cover up a pedophile scandal for some of the most powerful people around is A-OKAY
Hotline Miami mogs the shit out of spec ops narratively speaking, both in meta and canon interpretation.
>>745188074uh-huh, and who does America bend the knee to?I'll give you a hint: it's a country that starts with the letter "I" and ends with "L"
>>745188256most people who commit crimes do not think they're a good idea insofar as their rationality is concernedAND YET... they commit them.
>>745188517Yeah I get that, but if every major European country bends the knee to America, then by extension you also.....
>>745188571what people fail to understand is, the game didn't make you buy the gun, nor did it make you pull the trigger, there's always a choice, always a consequence, a piece of fiction cannot ever make you do something, you choose to do it, if they could then fiction would've been banned entirely save for the most milquetoast kids story books.
>>745189053Sorry, bud. There is no proof that Columbine would have happened if DOOM didn't came out. You're just out there protecting a multibillion dollar industry because you enjoy its products, and that's fine. But don't pretend like you can create The Line between fictional and real violence or how they (don't?) influence and reinforce each other.
>>745186935Because they added one for the white phosphorous scene and literally every playtester found it and chose it, which got them assmad enough to remove it.They knew full well they were full of shit before they even released the game, yet chose to act like pretentious wankers anyway. Poetically similar to Walker in a way, I suppose.
>>745189204nor is there proof that the shooting wouldn't of happened, correlation does not equal causation, by that logic I could then say the bible should be banned because it has gotten millions more people killed then video games ever have or religion in general but you'd never hear people like jack ever say that because then he'd lose his voters, politicians only say shit to scare/rile up boomers who don't understand anything.if I say "hey you should eat a carrot" it wouldn't make people eat a carrot, that shooting happened because they let a child who was bullied mind you have access to a fire arm, not because he played doom, thousands of people have played doom both new and old, if doom was the cause there'd be thousands more shootings
itt: a bunch of psychos that actually completed the game
>>745189987I…You’re right. I, no, WE, need to stop deflecting blame. We MUST be better men
Fuck me this place is old
