Quintet's weakest RPG. Illusion of Gaia > Soul Blader > Robotrek > Terranigga
>>745179115Secret of Mana came out first though so if anything someone demanding Terranigma would hear "We have Terranigma at home"
>>745179115There's literally a game that embodies this phenomenon and you choose Terranigma?Why?
>>745179115terranigma balls
>>745179115Terranigma shits on every gay ass Square JRPG that gen btw. Truly one of the most SOULFUL games ever, and the creator just walked away (hid from the Yakuza).
>>745179115how did they get away with having the word "NIG" in the name?
>>745180964it is a portmanteau of terra and enigma. basically it means earthly mystery
>>745181178enigma balls
>>745179115what was the meaning of Ark's drug trip in South America?
>>745179115In what way is any part of the Quintet series comparable to the Mana games?
>>745179115>Main character invents the hamburger>Game didn't come out in AmericaTreason!
>>745179115funnily i never played a "secret of" game i liked but i loved terranigmamight be time for a replay
wait no its "of mana" not "secret of"
>>745180326I think it's hilarious that we were playing jap games for years then Square gaslit themselves into thinking westerners needed special western versions of games like Mystic Quest and Evermore to ease us into jap games.
>>745180964It was a different time
>>745179115Aww fuck.
>>745179115The game goes downhill once humans are revived, unfortunately. Which is a shame, both Illusion of Gaia and Soul Blader end on a high note.
>>745180048is illusion of gaia a rpg?
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>>745179115Terranigma does kind of suck. 16 bit rpgs is my favorite genre and I love games like illusion of Gaia and soul blazer but terranigma isn't anything special.. Think people over valued it because it wasn't released in the US. It's not a bad game but it's a pretty weak one
>>745180213>>745180326SoE is better than SoM and I'm tired of pretending it's not just because "hum it's japanese ok".outside of the intro, name ONE SINGLE SONG from SoM that's good. that's right, you can't.every single SoM song is good.
>>745187748Back when cutscenes were just pathetic little drawings lmao
>>745189618Danger but only the remake version and that's all
>>745179115I don't know if Terranigma was good, but I do know that PAL regions absolutely got fucked when it came to SNES JRPGs.>no EarthBound>no Super Mario RPG>no Robotrek>no Final Fantasy (either one)>no Chrono TriggerIronically, Secret of Mana WAS released in the PAL regions.
>>745179115*Only in Europe
I dont get how anyone can like the combat in the mana games. Its the worst parts of action combined with the worst parts of turn based combat. A total slog
>>745187809I agree despite conceptually liking the idea. I think they just needed more dungeons to space out all the town building
>>745180924Masaya Hashimoto > Tomoyoshi Miyazaki.Miyazaki led quintet's B-Team (terranigma's dev team).
>>745182335They're both action RPGs.>>745188610This guy gets it. My faith in humanity is restored.
>>745191419Mana, Gaia, Terranigma, etc all got PAL releases because they didn't have turn based combat.Turn based combat was seen as too autistic, though we did get a few turn based games in PAL land like Lufia 2, Breath of Fire 2 etc.
>>745192381Turn based doesn't sell, it's archaic and doesn't hold the player's attention.
>>745188610Explain to me how Terranigma is worse than Illusion or Gaia or Soul Blazer? I like the entire trilogy, but Terranigma has much better graphics, more fluid gameplay and story. Soul Blazer specially is really light on the RPG elements.
>>745188610People mostly remember it for the ending.
>>745179115It has been enough decades. It is time to admit that som was fucking dogshit. Literally the weakest game in a franshsie full of mediocre stinkers, with only the very first being good and reaching the greatness levels of Links Awakening.Crosscode shits on the entire series as a whole.
>>745187809It has a strange dynamic where you feel unironically way lonelier and more hopeless once other humans are revived.I'm not sure it was intentional, but I like the contrast.
>>745188610>>745193757You're genuinely too young and stupid to understand Terranigma. Its only rival in terms of a story is Xenogears. Play it again when you're at least 35.
>>745194071I liked Trials of Mana and Final Fantasy Adventure but I always thought Secret of Mana was that one game people regard as this timeless classic that always kinda fucking sucked balls
>>745179115its way better than secret of mana, retard.
>>745180048after beating soul blazer recently I can confirm that your list is retarded.
>>745189618>outside of the intro, name ONE SINGLE SONG from SoM that's good. that's right, you can't.>every single SoM song is good.I'm glad that we agree.
>>745193628>Terranigma has much better graphicsStopped reading there.
>>745194171Its super interesting and probably intentional.You start off outside of time in this frozen world and then after reviving the continents you move through what are millions of years of evolution and developments and the further you progress the more things slow down until you reach the human age and get dragged into their minute affairs that ultimately end up being just as impactful.
>>745194708It intersects both "millennials first jrpg" and "played it with friends" for a really hard nostalgia blast.And playing with friends sucked too because you had to watch the main guy play for hours till the 2nd and 3rd character became playable.
>>745193757I played it years ago and I still remember a ton of shit. That's one of the most soulful games in existence.>How comfy Crysta is and the graphical effects in it>The dark world map>The tower's summits>The first resurrection (Plant)>The bird transporting you>Going on the trial with the cub>The goat scene>The human resurrection>Feeling lonely and homesick despite having fucking human beings around because you can't talk to animals and plants anymore>Learning your bird bro is in a fucking cage and seeing the effect of the human resurrection on plants and animals>Despite that, the game never gets dumbly misanthropic>Seeing lion bro again>Ark's death and revival>Skateboard boy. I won't say he's a great character, but he's such a '90s caricature that it's funny.>Learning that the only thing you could still cling to is and always was fake, but continuing because that's the right thing to do>The endingEven the music is fucking great.I won't say it's the greatest game ever; the battle system became kind of samey, magic is not that useful and not usable on most bosses, the second part is indeed lesser than the first, and the difficulty spike with the Maria boss seems to indicate parts were cut.But still, what a great fucking game.
>>745198721>Skateboard boy. I won't say he's a great character, but he's such a '90s caricature that it's funny.Reminder that the game's character designer also made Chocolate Panic and its OVA.
>>745198721>the difficulty spike with the Maria bossThat was the "read the item descriptions" check - the weapon you find in the castle might have a higher damage value but also an element that she resists.Problem is that this is pretty much the only instance where this shit really matters.
for me, it was the giga nigga who screams AHHHHHHH cucking the inventor of the phone.
>>745199042Maybe a skill issue on my part back then, but I also remember the enemies in there being hard and some weird stuff like learning afterward that you can use magic on her despite magic being blocked on other bosses.
>>745187748Soul
Terranigma is one of the few games that evokes the sublime.
>>745199042the issue is that the level scaling is retarded in the game.if you dont reach an arbitrary level you will do pathetic damage to the enemy. and if you reach it suddenly you hit for hundreds.
This good thread can't die yet
>>745180048weak bait, still made me reply I guess
>>745189618Magic system for sure And weapon levels
>>745189629this is fanart and the ending is animated you absolute retard
>>745180048Why call Soul Blazer by its Japanese name but the rest by their English names?
>>745179115Ganpuru or Gunman's Proof was shamelessly ripping off Harvest Moon and ALTTP's asset and codes, but ironically Mother 3 a decade later took a bunch of shit from Ganpuru, like the theme and especially cutsce es are like shot for shot.
>>745202478>Gunman's ProofCool little game
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>>745179115Imagine trying to shit on the best Quintet game. Thank god I'm not retard
I loved terranigma but I got stuck twice on it (the town with the zombies because I couldn't fucking find an entrance and bloody mary)
>>745208126Bloody Mary fucks up everyone because it's basically the game telling you that you HAVE to grind if you were cruising the game up to that point.
>>745180048And what about the first one, Actraiser? What is your opinion of their spiritual predecessors? Ys I, II, and III (not Oath). Also, have you played The Granstream Saga?
I loved Illusion of Gaia. I liked how it was about kids going on a globetrotting adventure while occasionally being exposed to genuine horror. Very unique vibe.
>>745180326This game has like 40 boss fights it’s awesome
I always liked Ark's design. His red-and-orange color themes, his outfit being a mash-up of Japanese and Aztec styles. his weird baggy pants, his hairstyle. He oozes power, confidence but also naive joviality. No other JRPG protagonist gives me the same vibe.
>>745211083Town troublemaker with a golden heart. Kind of rare protagonist type nowadays.
>>745179115This is the greatest SNES game. No contest.
>>745211626It's dead last on everyone's "to play" list, but it's probably the most important SNES game for anyone to play.
>>745179115I still hold that storytelling in videogames peaked here. no other game has come close ever since
Didn't finish it but was there even text or story in the game?I just kind of unlocked continents and it opens to you solo wandering an underworld for a few hours
>>745180048obligatory bait to get the thread going
>>745180048>weakest Flip the order and I would agree with you. Illusion of Gaia bored me.
>>745211083literally just wukong
>>745212693IoG had so much potential, so many fun and itneresting details, and so many things that should have been better. I wonder what Quintet could have done.
>>745212560Yeah, that's just the first chapter. Next chapter you wander the earth and resurrect all life, and the next you wander around human towns and help them progress, like help with creating the lightbulb, the telephone and, for all murrifats, the McDonalds. Then you're back in the underworld to kill satan.
>>745212802can't go wrong with wukong
>>745212802he's not a monkey
>>745210754I'll never forget that moment when that Seth kid gets devoured by the Leviathan and he comes back to help the party later as the Leviathan. The Hamlet scene is up there too.
>>745213918Yeah... Or the ghost ship. Or the raft scene. These kids are surrounded by real death and it makes the adventure feel really raw. It's not the deepest game but parts of it really stuck with me
>>745213918All 3 Soul Blazer games are ludo. I curse the people here trying to stir shit up saying Terranigma or Illusion of Gaia are bad. When Soul Blazer is the one that's mediocre.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneh3m88xkM
>>745210754It is a bit "schizopilled" too.
>>745210754One of the few games with a 'slavery bad' message that I agree with.
It took me way too long to realize that the Underworld was the interior of a hollow earth, hence the concave map scrolling.
>>745214123I just hate that Illusion of Gaia has a completion path when the entire scenario is railroaded.
>>745179115Act 3 onwards feels like looking for a needle in a haystack.
>>745214123SB is the best one
>>745194171obviously intentional if you understand quintet's philosophy
>>745187748It was very assholish of Gaia to just do that at the end. At least let the village live their normal human lives instead of "ok, you guys are done. You get one(1) final day. No more."
simple as
>>745189629fucking retarded underage
>>745187453To say nothing of the fact that Japanese games themselves were heavily simplified and streamlined versions of existing western CRPGs (especially at first). I genuinely think the Japanese believe they created Wizardry.
>>745180048Bwahaha, shit bait
>>745217480Well, they did kind of take over Wizardry eventually, and cobbled together their own flavor of fantasy. Then we went full circle and incorporated some japanese stylistic choices at some point.Mainly, I think it was Record of Loddoss War that caused this. Shit was beautifully animated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kagzOJsHBg4
>>745193757This and maybe the one cave scene
>>745194421>Its only rival in terms of a story is Xenogears.That's not exactly a point in its favor, kek.
>>745179115*Chrono Trigger at homeMana was released on PAL regions >>745180048GTFO Illusiontard, that game blowsTenchi Souzou > Soul Blader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaia Gensouki
>>745179115Sorry kiddos, but Actraiser 2 is the best Quintet game and it's not even close. Anyone who disagrees sucks at video games and at any mental and physical skill.
>>745189618>SoE is better than SoMSure, Evermore's programming is much more polished than Mana's or SD3'sThe menus felt snappy and everything felt smooth and not laggyIt still has the same problems of Mana thoughBoth have fucking great soundtracksIt's a shame the gameplay in all the 3 games mentioned is not that greatThe Seiken Densetsu series could have been something specialImagine if they did this>Local/Online co-op>Combat similar to SD2/3 with influences from FF7R but with menus being completely real-time and not pausing the game so that the gameplay can have actual depth>Graphics would be Cuphead-tier with characters being designed in a similar style to 90s shonen like Nobuteru Yuki’s designs for SD3 on top of georgeously painted backgrounds in the style of the late Hiro Isono done by a top painter of high pedigree>No shitty ass voice acting for enhanced atmosphere>Soundtrack composed on wind instruments by Hiroki Kikuta and Yoko Shimomura
>>745210754Illusion of Gaia might be very linear but the levels are great and the soundtrack is fantastic.There are so many great scenes like the Golden Ship, the Sky Garden, going down the Ocean Palace where the water outside gets dark and darker until you reach Mu, etc. etc.Why aren't games like this made anymore?
>>745221904They must appeal to the mythical modern audience.
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>>745216324Trvth nvke
Terranigma has a more interesting story and lore than any game I played since. it's really quite impressive that they managed to do this with so little text and on the snesits also quite fun gameplay wise
>>745222995Very imteresting morality "system" as well.Instead of giving you good boy points it just makes you feel.
>>745222995Now I loved Terranigma but the combat left a lot to be desired, even as a kid I figured the dash attack (run + attack, Ark lunging forward) was too OP due to the invincibility frames, it rendered null all other types of attacks including magic
>>745223302the entire magic system was pointless. shame for the nice animations
>>745194071It's perfectly fine and was great in its heyday. The only real complaint anyone could have against it is the way movement stutters on steps and the music is kind of underwhelming. >>745194071
>>745223162I dont know enough about eastern religions but their take on the whole good and evil need to exist and life is an eternal circle that keeps repeating but somehow ark keeps glimpses of his past self is very cool>>745223384>>745223302its not very challenging, but the game moves along at a good pace and the combat was never annoying to me. the story is what keeps you engaged, I just meant its nice that on top of it its also just a decent action adventure
>>745202172Ok well what the fuck is your problem lmao. It's just I remember the opening just being some pictures so it would have made sense if the ending was just as bad lmao.
>>745211083>>745211301Yep. I think it doesn't get used as much because it's an actual character and is proactive, so it can't be a self insert for otaku in japanese media, and it doesn't lend itself well to contrived melodrama, so it doesn't get used in the west either.
if you liked terranigma, give elliot a shot
>>745211083it probably was cut for time but I wish you could get more chances to develop his personality other than the start of the game. they kinda let you be a brat/more dutyful in the village with dialogue choices
I can really recommend Judero if you are into the quintet snes games. Getting such spiritual journeys in such good action combat and world design is rare to come by.
terranigma and secret of evermore were absolute peakpeople shitting on those games are massive cucks
>>745213918>you are what you eat
>>745214601I don't mind it in a fantasy game with magic and monsters but hollow earth is one of the dumbest theories right up there with flat earth.
>>745224216>the princess won't stop talking even with reduced interactionHow about no?
>>745221456I never hear people talk about 2 so I have to assume you're being contrarian
>>745224216>checking steam reviewswhy, yes, I do enjoy videogames in general, what an insightful thing to point out
>>745223162Later games in general quantifying morality has damaged creativity substantially
>>745179115well, home is where the heart is
>>745179115I have lived enough to see people on 4chan hating Terranigma.
>>745180326This game is extremely extremely underrated, i'd even say it's better than chrono trigger
>>745224216not touching modern square enix trash
>>745224992Actraiser 2 is a really great action game, but it lacked the city sim of the prequel. For many people that's the worst part about it, but technically Actraiser 2 combat is a massive improvement, you have lots of mobility options and a very challenging difficulty.
>>745194071Secret of Mana > Trials of Mana and its not even close, that's the real hard truth people have to come to terms with. The only reason you liked Seiken 3 so much is because it was novel playing a japan only release on an emulator for the first time, the game is complete ass and a straight downgrade to its predecessor in almost every aspect.
>>745199297yeah I had this problem on the final boss. I couldn't figure out why it was so goddamn hard and after days of trying I finally gave up and looked online for the first time of my playthrough. I was simply underleveled. One of my absolute favorite game, what a trip.
started IoG last weekend, about 5hrs in and it's got a great soundtrack, graphics, and cast so far. I like the dungeons and combat, the transformations are really fun but something about the combat/dungeon parts and exploration/town parts being hard-separated makes the level-up aspect of it feel a bit pointless. Since as far as I can tell you can't progress without wiping all the enemies anyways, but maybe I'm just retarded and you're not actually required to kill everything. That aside it's been fun, wanted to beat it before playing Terranigma.
>>745226642defeating all enemies is the only way to level up to the fullest so it's not pointless
>>745180326Evermore has such great aesthetics it's insane
The problem with these games (SoM, Trials) is that it eventually just turns into >go into menu>select magic >watch the animation >repeat At least Terranigma had more options for basic attacks
I'm thinking of replaying the game with a new Redux mod that was recently released. I'm always wary of that shit since I doubt it's extensively tested, but Terranigma's balance is whack anyway.
Brvtal mogging
>>745224216Does it, like both octopath and triangle strategy, completely fail to live up to the standard of character and storytelling set by games in the 90's?
>>745180326Both games have one of the worst magic system ever conceived.
>>745225953Alright I might have to check it out. Actually this thread has been good for some kinos I need to get into. It's terrible what Square and Enix did to each other by merging especially with Square's name in front.
>>745227551it has good graphics, like the other two :^)
>>745226325Only musically
>>745180326I've heard this was made by western developers commisioned by Square to make an American Mana, but Square didn't gave them the engine Secret of Mana used so they had to made it from scratch.
>>745179115Oh yea, well check this out!
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>>745179115HOLY CRAP DID YOU POST THE WRONG GAME!But jokes aside Secret of Evermore is like if Earthbound and Secret of Mana had a love child.>>745180326I do like how you can break the damage limit of 999 in Evermore if you glitch your strength value to 60K and mash attack on a boss, not even Seiken Densetsu 3 lets you do 1000 damage in a single attack on a boss.
>>745227574Sure, just be patient, it takes a while to learn how to fly properly and using magic.
>>745179115>>745180326 I want it on NSO
>>745228235Alright but what about in the game?
>>745224216It looked like the NPCs stood completely still in the demo. Why do modern devs do this?
>>745229343>it's ok when Persona 3 does it
Reminder that Ark is canonically Swedish, coming from the flipside of Storkholm.
>>745180048Get a load of this flute twirler
>>745187748This game is the only game I can think of that chokes me up at the end.the last 5 seconds of the game don't exist
>hating on good soulful gamesyou get what you deserve
>>745230674...Better games than Terranigga?
>the home
Man, I don't know who is trolling who in this thread anymore. What the fuck.
>>745179115Amazing music and a unique storyline, but something about it didn't work for me. Maybe it was too ambitious for its own good. It's better than SoM, but SoM is unfinished.
The story in this game is too sad and upsetting.
What the fuck was this shit
>>745231968This is what happens when you give a woman a country instead of proper regular dickings.
>>745227485That's the last boss of EVO, correct? That game was weird, but very interesting.
>>745231968The one balancing mis-step in the game.Goes from impossible to ez by grinding an extra 2 levels.
>>745180964>how did they get away with having the word "NIG" in the name?You are so Slur brainrotted…
>>745232923Both of them, yeah.
>>745224992Well yeah, most people are fucking garbage at video games. So why would they talk about a game where they can't beat the first level? It's an extremely well designed game, just very hard.
>>745224216Square confirmed via its investor call that Elliot performed well, so I'm glad it wasn't a flop. Just goes to show that the browns here don't play games and are completely useless when it comes to talking about them
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>>745189618>outside of the intro, name ONE SINGLE SONG from SoM that's goodhttps://youtu.be/9t4LRYPi7S4Time to nuke the oldfags below with with a nostalgia bomb
>>745224683they added an option to completely turn her off in a recent update
>>745180326>>745180213We also DIDN'T have this! That's like the big thing about this game when we could emulate it was North America never got an official version. What the fuck do you mean we have this at home, we never did!
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>>745237314It shows her what I look like in real life?
>>745237482Ok but like your country is not the whole world lmao
Rankings of action rpgs from someone with no nostalgia (played all these games for the first time within the past 6 years)Terranigma > Trials > IoG > Soul Blazer = SoM I'll be playing SoE soon
>>745216145That wasn't Gaia's fault, Dark Gaia's death explicitly takes its spawn with it
The remaster soundtrack where it's just the songs not filtered by SNES soundchip ruined the original soundtrack for me
>>745231884The overworld theme is one of my favorites out of any gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBH0orRDkjw
>>745217480>I genuinely think the Japanese believe they created Wizardry.Of course not. American influences in Japan have always been very clear, whether in games or movies.What happened was that Japan treated consoles and PCs as two completely different things. From the developers' perspective, console players wanted more straightforward, arcade-style experiences. More complex RPGs, slow-paced adventure games, etc., were exclusive to computers (which, contrary to what some people say, have always been very popular in Japan).I think their idea is that the American audience was even more averse to "complex" games on consoles than the Japanese audience.
Grabbing this game at random because I thought the name was funny was an experienceEvery chapter transition is a wild shift, I had no idea what I was in for
>>745242923That's not just a japanese thing, there's a reason you almost never saw CRPGs or imsims outside of PC in the west.
Don't know how Square is the only one known for graphics when Enix was also- ok never mind lmao
I go back and forth between whether I like Terranigma or Gaia more, but both are good and a lot more soulful than other ARPGs from that era.
>>745244674Adventure Time ahh comic
>>745179115>"We have Secret of Mana at home." but it didn't even formally release.
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>>745221690>It still has the same problems of Mana thoughnot all.i never did like how in Mana if an enemy attacks you, even if they MISS, you lose all your charge. makings charging up to the higher levels not even worth it.you don't lose charge in Evermore.
>>745180048Soul Blazer is my favorite out of them. I love the undersea area.
