The only RTS you will ever need.
>>745193189Marine squid deployed
>>745193189>rerelease has balance patchesbut...why...
>>745193526because relic loved eldars and hated tau
*found the stairs*SQUAD BROKEN
>>745194268were the balance patches any good?
>>745193189Maybe if it allowed for easier custom campaigns. The Unification "expansion" to the Soulstorm campaign is still too buggy.
Seriously could not get into 2, it was around the time of the shitifucation of RTS and everyone was trying too hard to streamline shit or get closer to a MOBA by removing buildings
>>745193189It is the only RTS I keep playing soulstorm with the titanium wars mod
>>745197274That sure doesn't fit dawn of war.
>>745193526Worked out for AoE II, two times over even.
>>745197950to be fair, they got a dedicated and very competitive community going on for years.
>>745193189Dow2 looks way better and has better multiplayer with elite mod.Dow1 is fun for skrimishes vs ai tho
>>745197684Yeah, I had good RTS in mind.
Finished all campaigns for Dark Crusade on Hard and man they really fixed the game with DE. A shame the Chaos stronghold is boring as shit and just nonstop cultists spam.
>>745198524Tiberium Wars wasn't that good
coh is a better game
>>745193189I fucking hate Lovecraft and his constants rambling about muh madness
>>745197274Space MarineOrksEldar
>>745198927
>>745193189I need original settings, not soulless IP slop like Warhammer game #1000. Sage
>>745197274Universe at War:Earth Assault Sega complained the game looked too close to Command & Conquer 3 so they had to cut Allied Alliance and make These Fucking Assholes the main part of the campaign.Why you would hire a developer made of the team from Command & Conquer Generals and complain their game looks like a Command & Conquer game I don't know.
>>745199948anon all of them are spikey and/or edgy and evil
>>745197274This is specific to C&C 3 only
>>745202568Nope.
>>745202619Name 5
>>745202684Emperor Battle for Dunc
>>745199948nah, closest thing to allied alliance are Tau with their tech style, philosophies and auxiliariesthe nefarious is pretty much every other factionand these fucking assholes are probably nids this is all without talking about the mechanics just the story and designs
>>745202705Harkonen is better late game than atredies so incorrect
>>745197950AoE 2 devs are competent and DoW devs are not.
>>745202684metal fatigue
>>745202790Yeah, they're the good guys
>>745202820But they're spiky and red/black colour scheme
>>745202889Top aesthetic
after total war any rts having a overworld is mandatory to me
>>745197274To this day no other RTS has attempted to do factions like Age of Empires II did, and that's why Age of Empires II is the best RTS ever made.
>>745202949>factions where 95% of everything is the same>factions where everything is uniqueI take option 2.
>>745202949Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds is better
I loved this as a kid, especially playing as borg and stealing enemy builders so you could make every faction's units
>>745193189>DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!??!?!
>>745197684>Chaos>Marines>Eldar
>>745204039>ignoring an entire faction so your make believe nonsense fitsAbsolute git behaviour
>>745204367Orks are the oddball 4th faction that breaks the mold.I would have put them as "These fucking assholes" because of the WAAAGH mechanic but Macha still gets porn so Eldar fit the bill.
>>745196106Took 20 years to make the Crisis Suits not fucking op so yeah
>>745204445anon again a good chunk of the factions are evil and edgy and the only allied like faction are the tauthe third one is weird and gimmicky it fits nids i guess
>>745197274Good. Thats just the way I like it.
>>745193189THE WEAK FIGHT BACK!
>FOR EVERY ONE OF US WHO FALLS, TEN MORE WILL TAKE HIS PLACE!Luv me guard
>>745205059aiint they boring compared to the rest
Luv me bugs eating people
>>745205154>>745205108
>>745205108Sorta, but I like em.
>>745193189Soul
>>745193189
whut ogryn do now?
>dawn of warlore inaccuratebut that's ok, warhammer 40k lore is garbage
Everything about RTS games on singleplayer is so comfy. Watching your little army guys fight autonomously. The unit designs. The voicelines. The HUDS. It satisfies the childhood dream to see your toy armies automatically fight each other on the floor of your house.
>>745207625ur mom is lore inaccurate
I'm not a big fan of competitive multiplayer fags because they have killed and raped RTS as a genre>yoooooo nigguh my stream of piss is endlessly fighting the other stream of piss this is so fun>nooooo you must build fentanyl shack at exactly 10.000004 seconds or you aren't meta
>>745209105I've been flamed in Zero-K pve before because I didn't build "the right units". I still wiped the enemy adjacent to me and we had no difficulty winning.
>>745209105moba killed rts
>>745207625Most 40k media from before they started cracking down on most of their liberties is like that. Black Library still can't even get its shit done consistently.
>>745197274That Dorf rts that's been shilled on vst sure looks like it fits this to a t
>>745198927You and I are enemies now.
>>745205260The possessed were fucking metal as shit. Just a nigga with a worm head and crazy ass mutant claws.
>>745209725Shame they lose to howling banshees because dawn of eldar demands it. FUN FACT: fire dragons weigh more in game each than a squiggoth does because eldar players bitched that minefields were a counter to fire dragons just sprinting up to bases and melting them so relic changed their weight so they can't be knocked back at all by anything.
>>745210390>Possessed>Ever losing to BansheesWhat bullshit is this? Even for T2 melee infantry Banshees get shit on hard due to the part where Possessed are immune to morale damage (a big feature of Banshees) deal more dps, have the flamer attack for increased morale damage, and are also a T3 melee unit. You're hardcapped to 1 Possessed because they're that good.
>>745193189DoW2 is better
>>745211912Fully pimped banshees have crazy evasion and the exarch does a shitload of damage on top of the impressive squad damage.
>>745207562>ugh, we got da... THING
>>745197950AoE2 is still getting DLC and has a large player base with an active tournament scene. It needs balance patches.
>>745214854balance patches are good regardless
>>745193189DIS PEAR
>>745197274Where's the Scrin porn?
>you think datz somethin'? watch dis
>>745197274Not an RTS but aesthetics-wise this is Planetside 2
Anniversary Edition > Definitive Edition
I'm still salty they changed the nobz voices - the original, more guttural ones were better.
>>745218254stuff like this is why I didn't buy the remastercan't trust any of these companies to just update the technical stuff and leave the creative parts alone
>>745218742The Nobz voice changes happened with Winter Assault 20 years ago.
>>745218742You don't understand what I said. The voices weren't changed for the remaster - they were changed for either winter assault or dark crusade as they needed more voice lines to react to the new units and races and for whatever reason the old voice actor was not used/they used a different voice during recording.
>>745217912>hovers away
it's the the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEBLADE
>>745193189Playing DoW these days feels so weird because the actual lore has changed so much it feels like a different setting altogether. They don't even call them Eldar anymore and there's Primarchs just walking around. Cadia's gone. It just feels like everything has slipped me by.
>>745193526Dawn of Eldar sucked.
>>745197274I feel this is mostly just making fun of Command and Conquer but I can't think of which game this actually fits.
>>745223031>he actual lore has changed so much it feels like a different setting altogether.It really hasn't for the most part.
>>745223250command and conquer
>>745223309The Emperor stealing energy from the Chaos Gods like some kind of impish Prometheus and then having his not-wife steal the kids and throw half of them on death worlds is kind of a big change from "The Emperor created 20 genetic clones of himself to lead his Crusade and Chaos shit itself at the thought so the Gods collectively used a tremendous amount of their power to steal the embryos away". I don't mean in just in the way of details, but also in the way of themes.
>>745223394Who only appears for one chapter.>>745223527>I don't mean in just in the way of details, but also in the way of themes.I agree but that's largely a backstory change. Not a actual practical story change. The status quo of 40K is still largely the same it ever was.
>>745223309Stupid ass nigger, they replaced Space Marines with Bigger Space Marines.
>>745223527yeah, agreed the setting clearly got co-opted somewhere in between there by activists
>>745223309The Primaris alone make all the old 40K stuff feel out of place knowing all the marines you see got replaced by Bigger Marine
>>745223673Shut the fuck up. Cawl and the Primaris are the best thing ever added to 40k, oldmarines are shit tier jobbers
>>745223656That's also wrong, because the status quo of WH40K was that humanity was losing, space marine gene seed was becoming both more corrupt and more scarce, the T'au to humanity are what humanity in 30K was to the Eldar, and the Imperium continuing to function only through faith was a dramatic irony contrasting the Emperor's desire for a faithless empire. Now, humanity is bouncing back, the AdMech is uncovering tech from the Dark Age that totally eclipses everything the T'au has, the Primaris are rapidly replacing lost Astartes with superior weaponry and gene seed free from corruption, and the Primarchs are returning to restore order to the Imperium and free it from corruption and human folly.That's just one race out of five (now six, because, somehow, the Squats returned).
>>745224007>t'austop doing thatAt least you're still calling the Eldar Eldar
>>745224086
It's fucked up that the Astra Militarum won't be in DoW4.
To this day the most fun I ever had in rts is playing tau in dow, building every ranged unit ever and blasting enemy dudes away from the other side of the map
>>745224279>Astra MilitarumThe what now?
>>745224703not him, the guardsmen dingus
>>745224703One of GW's many brilliant renamings
>>745203339It was a nice enough game. Also holy fuck the superweapons
>the year is 2026>/v/ is still playing DOWGod what a fuck up 2 and 3 were.
We are the Astra Militarum! It is time we started acting like it!
>>745224883The last stand mode in DoW2 was a ton of fun back in the day
>>745224007>Now, humanity is bouncing backThis isn't eight edition. Everything is basically back to "OH GOD WE ARE DYING!" nowadays. >(now six, because, somehow, the Squats returned).Eldar are still stuck since Ynnari isn't going anywhere. Orks are Orks. Necrons had their lore rewritten but that lore has stayed mostly consistent (And was over a decade ago anyway). Tyranids are Tyranids.
>>745224786Same as the Aeldari, wow what a great change!Atleast Asuryani sounds good to me, i don't understand why they didn't use that, it also works considering that they used Druhkari before that.
>>745225037I just can't get over the initial release.They salvaged it a bit with the DLCs, but the base game was a real disappointment.
>>745224883It got a good remaster, I bought it to play the dlc after finally trying the basic version I got for free ages ago and it got me buying models now
o dark eldar beat nids in genetic manipulation and bio weapons? i know nids's tech is bio forms and shit but still
DoW 1 just needed Tyranids and it would have the perfect 40K roster. Yes I know about the mods
>>745193526All i remember from DoW1 balancing is that if you played against a necron you can just spam your first unit and win the game because necrons can't even build units for the first 5 minutes.
I played only Chaos with my friends in lan matches but now decades later I played most of the campaigns and discovered literally every other army has more complex mechanics
>>745228984Necrons are at their absolute weakest in the early part of the game, but you're relegated to scarabs, Necron Warriors, and the Necron Lord. You actually have to build the Lord first in most match ups just to not be harassed to death while your scarabs build generators and cap points before you get the Warriors online.
>>7452248833 is indeed a massive step back, but 2 feels like it appeals to a very specific type of person. One that wants to play an RTS and an ARPG at the same time.
>>745228984>>745229347You're both high as fuck. Necrons can spam their basic infantry (it costs NOTHING to make them) with their only limiting factor being time. They take forever to walk anywhere so most players were safe on large maps, but on smaller ones their absurd damage and toughness meant that they could just walk up to bases during tier 1 and nuke the place while their lord pimp slapped bitches. The only answer was to rush them first, and weak infantry can still get deleted by a gauss turret. Necrons are at their weakest late-game because they lose the advantage of having the strongest units on the field from the very start.
>>745193189but thats not Company of Heroes
>>745229431Sure, maybe to Orks, but you still get shit on hard by Eldar thanks to their builder unit being capable of shutting down your one and only production building. Even outside of Eldar your strategy loses if you can't keep the pressure up (which you won't) because while you were spamming free Warrior squads, that cost power to reinforce, you opponent can still go economy capping points and putting down LPs as your still on 1 scarab, maybe 2 if you cycle them between Warrior squads. That plan is dumb and hinges on your opponent being dumber.
>>745230043>Sure, maybe to Orks, but you still get shit on hard by EldarStopped reading right there, I'm not wasting my time playing against an Eldar player, ever.
>>745229668Company of heroes is getting a remaster this year btw but I just don't trust relic anymore they'll ruin it somehow with their incompetence and kikery
>>745229431Yeah, except those tactics don't work with anyone with more than 2 braincells. Warriors can be endlessly kited to death, they're too slow and their range too short. Only the Lord is any threat
>>745229431>30s to build vs 12>25 ENTIRE SECONDS FOR 1 REINFORCE>35 energy per unitI'm almost certain necron were completely and utterly unplayable.
>>745231653Necrons live or die by how good their player is at microing their Necron Lord.
>>745203339Armada II was kind of bad, but there's some pretty good mods that fix it. The Borg Tactical Fusion Cube is just about the most ridiculous thing in the entire setting.
>>745231653Doesn't all of that change the more req point they fortify? iirc each increases build speed by 20%
>Play Dark Crusade for nostalgia yesterday>Start as the crons>HERE'S THIS GIANT MAP with the enemy AAAAAAALL the way over there, 10 times in a row!>Switch to literally any other race and begin to have funEmperor, those metal bastards need some fucking mobility scooters because holy shit they are so damn slow.
>>745229219Chaos is the most fun though.
>>745197274so Nod, GDI and Scrin. but the question is, where is the good scrin porn?
>>745232860They have destroyers and wraiths for their fast movers and the ability to teleport to their LPs and monolith on demand. Their mobility is still shit.
>>745228984Don't worry the most recent patch nerfed necron so it's actually worse in the demake>>745231653It also recruits slower the more you already have so after the first two or maybe three you're waiting a minute for a unit of necron warriors...but it's le free.
>>745202949>Sheeps for 10 minutes.>Villager booms for 20-30 minutes.SupCom is better.
>>745232860>upgrade to t3>blink into enemy base and become the great deceiver>summon monolith and all your boys and focus fire the objective>instant winJust... git gud?
Why does modern 40k not really do much with the Old Ones or the C'tan? You could have a lot of fun with the Imperium becoming widely aware of the fact that humans were created by a bunch of space lizards a really long time ago.
How do I actually git gud at RTS? I grew up with it but could never understand how you get to the point where you intrinsically know what upgrades are mathematically better than others, which units counter others in what number etc. I always turtled up.
>>745235776Both of those things were retconned out of existence. The Old Ones because "uh muh frogs they're so weird, goyim will be driven away", and C'tan because Matt Ward wanted to turn the Necrons into Tomb Kings, so now they're sentient and have overpowered the C'tan and use "shards" of them in battle like Pokemon.
>>745193526>Patch completely fucked up my honour guards in my savesOrks now had a squiggoth and a second warboss as honour guards
>>745232993not to sound like a power scaler, would scrin fair well against nids?
>>745209105>The people that play RTS the longest.>Not key members of the community.
>>745236171fare*ftfm
>>7452358281. It's too late for you2. It's not worth it
>>745235776Because GW has, miraculously, not fully given in to peoples dogshit desires. That's the same retarded realm as wanting the Emperor to come back to life or see what it was like during the DAoT. These things are only compelling because they are mysterious.
>>745235682>have to get to t3 to end the gamelol lmao
>>745207562ogryns with a priest attached to them is the scariest thing in the game, besides pariahs
>>745231653I 'member when some dude called tekkpriest (or a similar spelling) got to the top of the 1v2 rankings with necrons right at the point conventional wisdom said they were unplayable. Also eldar have a hard counter to necrons in tier 0 that is utter bullshit.
>>745236537gotta spoil everything about the heresy though
>>745193189DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!
>>745236772Grey knights w. Chaplain likely still beat them, if not that then assault terminators w. Chaplain.
>>745224883I like the gameplay of 1 more, but 2 at least has the best stormtrooper.
do i buy wc3 reforged, its on sale. i played wc3 as a kid a long time ago and have some fond memories of it and id like to get back into rts
>>745205260for me its middle second to last to the right. I wonder at what point we forgot how to make em like that.Just started a Dragon Age Origins playthrough yesterday and its the same. Why did we forget?
>>745237015Set it to original graphics and youre good. If youre a zoomer theres kenshins model upgrade, but that doesnt include a lot of campaign shit, more for multiplayer.
>>745237139thanks nigga ill give it a go, im getting too old to keep playing assfaggots and get mad at dogshit teammates
>>745202949There's the Cossacks series and American Conquest
>>745235828always be making more econspend your money don't let it pile updon't play games where the above two protips don't work
>>745193526Are you genuinely this naive? The entire software industry loves to make changes for nothing other than making changes. Gives the illusion of production, illusion of progress. Go look at the patch notes for DoW remaster. They constantly make unit balance changes even when none are needed.
>>745235828If you have to waste more hours than dollars the game cost to git gud at it, then it's a shit game for you. Doesn't matter if it's Street Fighter 2, Age of Empires, or World of Warcraft. Games are meant to have fun with, and if you're not having fun, then you shouldn't waste time on it.
>>745223031DoW 1 happened to be made at the perfect time when the setting for 40k was still passionate and at it's peak narratively. HH started ruining lore basically right after, and that spread to the rest of the setting.3rd and 4th edition was the last time Warhammer was great instead of adding mixed new stuff or adding massive retcons
>>7452248832 has some good points but 1 is definitely the best. It's funny, using Dawn of War you can literally track the decline of 40k as a property as well
>>745235414It feels like every patch just nerfs necrons more and more. Why? Just bring back DC necrons and tell everyone else to suck shit
>>745235776Every time they do something with the C'tan it is to make them worse
>>745193189I think Dawn of War 2 mogs the fuck out of 1 personally. Reinforcing on the field is just dumb, takes me out of the game.
>>745202949That's the worst faction system ever though.
>see warhammer orks>imagine them talking like warcraft orcs>remember they actually sound like bongoloids cheering for ngubu to score some fakin goals
Heretics don't witness their doom these days and it really shows
>>745238961 I prefer to engage in combat rather than drag my forces back and forth to reinforce. At least Dow3 had a more forgiving iteration of this faggy "reinforce only where we tell you to, goy" mechanic, fuck Dow2 busywork
>>745239153
>>745239217It's a dumb mechanic. Also cover works better in DOW2 and units actually feel like they should. Guardsmen take ages to kill a marine instead of melting them.
*stunlocks your units*
>>745239431They're not that bad.Wartraks on the other hand...
>>745239349Cover was the 2nd worst part of Dow2. Getting termie armor in the campaign was such a fucking relief as I could just ignore that shitty cover system that units would either fail to use or stand on the wrong side of whatever pile of crap was supposed to be cover. And the retards making Dow4 for whatever reason think a poverty version of that system is a good idea for Dow 1 scale
>>745239527OUUGHHH don't remind me that one Eldar Winter Assault mission was hell
>>745239527>>745239594meanwhile guard are using grenade launchers en masse
>>745239587All you had to do was right click and drag. It's really not that bad. Do you genuinely prefer mindlessly a-moving at the enemy?
>>745197238T'au, Mr. Bond?
>>745239594They're still as oppressive to this day, but Ork have fighta-bommas now too.>>745239654IG Grenade Launchers were nerfed pretty hard.
>inexplicably has more unit mass than a squiggoth in your path
>>745239774I may have some form of retardation.
>>745239662You never watched above beginner level play for Dow1 if you think it's just attack move. It's constant repositioning
>>745238143Same goes for the skeleton crew maintaining TWW3. They make pages and pages of balance changes that amount to literally nothing and are utterly pointless, but editing a few text files is cheaper than adding actual content or making worthwhile improvements to broken systems.
>>745239774>>745239820Nah don't worry I knew you were talking about Fire Dragons even without the image.
>>745239820>"Dawn of Eldar isn't real">gets their mass buffed during the Winter Assault days to prevent basilisk knockback
Which unit had the best voice acting in DoW1?
>>745239673Always the enemy, never to be played as.>>745239774It isn't inexplicable, it is to stop a common counter to fleeting fragons from working because eldar players got upset they had to work to destroy bases.
>>745239820You don't have the firepower>I have the mass>Actually, I have the firepower too nvm
>>745239842I have actually, and it's a fraction of the micro high level Elite Mod is. You were talking about the campaign though.
>>745239774>>745239820Explained by favoritism, we can't have the anti-vehicle unit getting fucked up by said vehicle driving through them.
>>745239920A toss up between the chaplain and the Imperial psyker for reaching the perfect amount of pure campiness and genuine conviction. Or the Chaos cultist for comedy.
I'm a filthy secondary, do Eldar have their dumbass cloaking/teleporting gimmick on tabletop?
>>745239920Flash Gitz
>>745239920I like the Commissar.>Fear me, but follow!
>>745239920Playing necrons was the best because I didn't have some lunatic screeching in my ear, shame they gave them horrible voices in battlesector.
>>745240126Oh boy I can't wait for DoW4 where they are all going to have reddit linesFuck nu Necrons
>>745240206Watch out, tabletop goycattle get really mad when you criticize Nucrons and Primarislop.
>hate elves>hate space elves even more>hate space elves EVEN more because they couldnt keep it in their pants so much they birthed another chaos godgenocide all eldar. the clowns get a pass depending the mood of the day
>>745241243Don't worry, the Eldar are jobbers with a stupid 'potential man' plot point as their only vie for relevancy. Look back at Dawn of War 1 with smug hindsight because that was their peak.
>>745241243I... can't...
Howling Banshee or Farseer?
>>745241610Winter Assault Taldeer > Banshee > Dark Crusade Taldeer > Vanilla Macha
>>745241610yes
>>745241610Banshee Traps
>>745193526I hate to break it to you, but relic has little concept of balance, only CoH1 was perhaps spared, and even then there’s issues. Thankfully, most the time, mods unironically fix it
>>745241243To be fair, both Craftworld and Exodites were basically the Eldar that realized "Fuck, this is going into bad places, we should leave".
>>745241921coh 2 received endless balance updates
>>745197274C&C3 only.
>>745240041Depends on the edition. Right now: Not really. But in the past they had plenty.
>>745202949>slight variations of everything>1-2 unique units per faction roster>generic cookie cutter garbage that is universal for everyone else with only the ability to gate them making it notableNo.
>>745205260Based and Eye of Terror pilled
>>745209105Based and CoH pilled
>>745193189>The only RTS you will ever need.But that's not Zero Hour, nor Supreme Commander.
>>745241986Sounds like it was never balanced well and that anon is correct about relic
>>745242035Ah, thank you. Hopefully no future 40K games will have to suffer Dawn of Eldar again
>>745242270no, they improved the balance massively over time
Dawn of War has never been more balanced than it currently is.These are the 2.9.2 winrates when 2.10.0 was released.
>>745213710>attach Chaos Lord to possesed sauad>now one of the best melee squads in the game Nothing personnel Xeno>>745217908Literally OP as fuck ork roster in Dow1 was fucking insane. Orks veer from being mad OP to trash with no real inbetween
>>745198087DoW 2 PvP/skirmish structure fucking sucks. It's fun for the main campaign but holy fuck the skirmishes suck
>>745242397>attach Chaos Lord to possessed squad>whole squad slows down to a crawl
>>745229347Trvke.
>>745242310Well... To be frank, Eldar are a nightmare to balance in general. They are a high mobility, high firepower army in a game that GENERALLY favors high mobility, high firepower armies. They are pretty infamous for breaking 40K editions, being generally high tier even when not downright busted like early 10th edition. In a RTS game they should mostly be balanced out by being slow to get started and having a very high skill requirement with a ton of micro. Basically the exact opposite of Orks or Necrons (Though Necrons being slow to start also kind of makes sense). This tends to make them a nightmare on higher level play unless the skill requirement is just so freaking high the payoff stops being worth it for most players.
>>745239587I finished DoW 2 for the first time while playing primarch last week. Cover is basically useless the entire time. Terminator armor also fucking sucks ass unless you get lucky with drops because some NIGGER decided to separate the weapon pools. I finished chaos rising getting ONE Terminator armor drop so my squads were far more effective out of them
>>745231653Nta, but you’re comparing a squad that is viable through all tiers to one of the weakest infantry sections in the game, and basically a dedicated support unit lol
>>745242548The tradeoff with playing Eldar is that you have to play Eldar. Those geeks.
> Balance patch broke Ultimate Apocalypse
>>745242657That and the fact that your opponent was typically allowed to punch you in the face.
>>745242548The only real trade off they got for their high dps and movement was some of the lowest health pools in the game. Not that it mattered when Eldar could usually pick and choose when to engage unless you really pressured them.
>>745242917Are Eldar more popular in vidya because tabletop players are too ashamed to run them IRL...? Am I onto something here?
>>745241986I still get nightmares about how strong the fucking Russians are.. infantry fodder faction my ass, demented ruskies get nuke grenades, endless air support aircraft, endless tanks. Its insane how strong Russians are compared to Americans and Brits, it makes playing as anything else in the allies non viable. Thats how insane it is. Brits only recourse is artillery spam, Americans is infantry blob, Russians can do both and more.
>>745242336Okay, how?Are the factions balanced? Are all the comanders balanced? Are you infact not talking out your ass?
>>745240091GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE
>>745242448Well you can do the sorcerer instead with the teleport if that bothers you
>>745242548you can balance strong units by making them hard to get like zerg in sc1, but dow's economy is too dumbed down for that
>>745242962Yeah. It basically just means they are micro intensive. Which isn't a problem with high skill players since if you are a high skill RTS player being good with Micro is like 90% of your job.>>745243146I think the best way to handle Eldar would PROBABLY be to make them very slow to start. You have to rely on stealth and disguise early on, with you basically having no real way to deal with a actual determined push. In Dawn of War that would mostly involve being limited in your capacity to take and hold objectives.
>>745243146As if StarCrafts economy isn’t also dumbed down to 2 resources you only collect at your bases and don’t have to interact with the opponent for until it’s close to the mid-late game. Meanwhile DoW you actively fight for strategic points and the best way to damage your opponents economy is to destroy listening posts and cap their points. A good economy and good map control are one and the same in DoW.
>>745242994The biggest issue in Tabbletop for the longest time is them having very, VERY old models and being a somewhat newbie unfriendly army. They are mostly popular with Grogs, a lot of which just straight up don't play modern 40K. They are very popular in tournament play but that's a pretty separate world from more casual games.The other real issue with Eldar is that they tend to be on the more expensive side. They aren't exactly a horde army, but they also aren't exactly Custodes or Space Marine. You need a shocking amount of models nowadays to actually field a proper 2000 point army.
>>745243516>The biggest issue in Tabbletopnone gives a single fuckl
>>745243608What did he mean by this
>all this talk about balance>when the game was clearly made for lan parties to play with 4 buddies against max number of orc ai opponentsstop taking this shit so serious, DoW is clearly just about massacre of unheard of proportions
>>745243516Eldar have consistently been the try hard army on tabletop with damn near every edition them having some extra special cheesy bullshit. I remember them being extra cancerous in 5th when Taudar was a thing, then the random psychic power table that they seemingly got special treatment with on top of stupidly high amounts of psychic dice to throw to shut down anything you thought you were going to do. Eldar are bullshit because the narrative continues to shit on them at every opportunity.
>>745243608I hate tabletop goyim too and think they're responsible for GW getting away with everything bad that they do/have done, but you aren't White.
>>745243785Actually you have multiple mods for different jobsUltimate Apocalypse for your dopamine fried neurorecepters and that other mod that originally focused on balancing vanilla, added a ton of new units, then eventually went its own path. Honestly, to my recollection the only truly balanced game felt like Third Age total war, because balancing was done around setting a standard baseline and then power scaling from/vs that initial level (Gondor Militia)
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>>745243904>that other mod that originally focused on balancing vanilla, added a ton of new units, then eventually went its own path.Ah, Unification. Making Traitor Guard and the Farsight Enclaves anime shit.
>>745243494there's more depth to zerg gas economy than anything in dow.
>>745243798I must admit I don't remember them being that bad for most of 8th and 9th edition(Atleast compared to dark eldar and Harlequins). But going by what I've heard and read they have been a problem since Second edition. And being a broken army in second edition was like being noticeably overweight at a Star Trek convention.
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>>745244053The depth being if you go 1 gas or 2 gas at 5 minutes. Very deep.
>>745205108Nah. Normal human bean in a galaxy full of freaks fighting for the emperor is beyond cool
>>745244023That’s the mod that included a bunch of the modded races like tyranids and demon hunters?
>>745244871Old... Friend?
>>745199738You have never read Lovecraft and everything you know about him, you know through memes and shitty games and movies that try to capitalize on his popularity. Long story short you are an uneducated, retarded zoomer.
>>745243785One of my favourite DoW memories is doing a comp stomp 2 vs 4 or something and holding back the waves at a bridge. Twenty minutes of relentless slaughter later my teammate figured out teams weren't locked and swapped to team two, performing the ultimate act of betrayal.
>>745244979Alongside shit like Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Traitor Guard, Farsight Enclaves, Death Korps of Krieg, Chaos Daemons, World Eaters plus Blood Pact, Thousand Sons, Death Guard and others I've probably forgot because the mods has so god damn many.
>>745223781I wish I could find you and punch you in the face.I bet you don't even believe that, you are either ignorant or ragebaiting.
>>745245161>Anon got sinridKek
>>745207625>lore inaccurateDunno shit about the lore, what was wrong about it
>>745238767>HH started ruining lore basically right after,HH was great desu
>>745207625It was accurate for it's time. Or accurate enough at least
>finished DoW2>Was so good (well not retribution at least retribution sucked) I don't know what to do nowFucking hate this feeling
What fucking retard decided to never finish the fucking plotline from the end of DoW? If 4 doesn't finally let Gabriel kill that fucker I am going to be pirate the fucking game
>>745245571>let's not up our model or even texture quality and just put some materials+shaders on everything 3D and AI upscale everything 2D (will fix later if goyim raise a stink about it)Ah, yes. Truly worth 30 United States Dollars.
While I love DoW1 and all, I really don't fucking miss how bad the proportions wereI know the actual early spess marine figures were like that too but c'mon
>>745245769>Played th classic version this year for the first time>Still looks good but the camera is way too zoomed in (evidently the one mod everyone says to get kek)
>>745245705Sorry, IV is another Total War romp on Kronus, and Dark Crusade "singleplayer" was just forcing people to move on to Skirmish from the cozy and easy linear death ball gameplay of the first two stories.
>>745245161kino
>>745245801Faggot.
>>745244910so you don't play then ok. everyone knows it's the 3rd gas that matters.
>>745193189What I need is a mod that adds a few units and upgrades to the races and works for the DC and SS campaigns. I tried playing it as Chaos recently and the number of strategic options was disappointingly low.
>>745245705don't worry anon, they'll show up in the paid dlc :^)
>>745247309Works for me. It has been 20 fucking years and 2 different greater demon cock teases just fucking finish the plotline
>>745246164Base DoW and WA is legitimately harder than DC and SS... Except the chaos stronghold in SS. Holy fuck what were they thinking?
>>745247148Sorry bro, it's all kitchen sink mods. There is no such thing as a vanilla friendly expansion mod.
>>745247807Redux by Eranthis you silly billy.https://www.moddb.com/mods/eranthis-project
The model quality between the base game and the expansions is so fucking funnyJust look at the ork warboss and anyone else
