>Game has mechanics so ambitious and advanced that it doesn't actually work
why are germans so autistic, what causes them specifically to be naturally autistic?
>>745195754was it really ever actually that good?
>>745195754But it worked; it just happened that nobody wanted to pay the price for new ammo, especially when WW3 was postponed for decades
>>745195754if the cold war didn't end it would be adopted; it did work
POS.
I like that we memed generations of sci-fi writers into thinking caseless ammunition is le future
>>745195869From how it shot 45 rounds, I doubt anyone had a chance in front of it
>>745195905that ammo was so conceptually on point though. cutting the weight of ammo by half is an insane logistics boost when you consider the impact on a massive scale. all the transport cost, the soldier fatigue mitigation, but yeah the modern age of warfare evolved in a completely different direction where better guns was irrelevant, its all about drone spamming and electronic warfare.
>Game is cool and has interesting design, but only a few people actually use it
>>745196058most cool looking gun has this problem of nobody actually using it irl, SPAS 12 is another gun
>sequel to game is over 3x the install size of the previous title>>745195869>>745195754the G11 actually did work, its just the economy of scale of needing to produce and supply caseless ammo wasn't there yet and the complexities of doing that weren't a big enough advantage to just using another cased-ammo-alternative. Although I am curious how they expected armoring to work since the proposed plan was "just give each platoon two spare grandfather clock gearboxes and if a rifle breaks just pop the gearbox out and put a new one in".
>game has mechanics that are so subtle, they are inconsequential
>>745196058I blame Red Faction for my love of bullpups despite most being shite IRL.
>>745195754the price of progress is repeated failure>>745195869it fulfilled its intended purpose of being a prototype/proof-of-concept>>745195905>it workedyes but no not actuallythey never solved the cook-offs, fouling, feeding or mechanical jamming on a design levelthe last few advanced prototypes worked only because were repeatedly hand-finished until they workedthat kind of treatment is usually reserved only for very, very early prototypes like the first 2-3 of a given firearm design that are manufactured because reality is a brickwall that all paper designs have to break throughthe gun could never have entered mass production without intense re-engineering
>>745196058>Bog standard Uzi looking SMG>Shoots straight through into your APC
>>745195754
>>745196050It's still a great thing; you need as much ammo as possible to shoot the drone. But someone needs to be the first: adopt it, try it in the field, find all possible issues, lower the price via mass production, etc. It's a huge cost nobody wants to pay
>WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?!
>game's field of view slider goes to "Quake Pro"
>>745196058why did so many countries (uk, france, china) fell for the bullpup meme and why did they dump it?
>>745196058But everyone uses the AR-18
>old game gets future mechanics ported to it
>>745196356More damage per bullet per total gun length.
>>745196317>what if we tried to make a super cheap and safe pistol but forgot to make it reliable lol
>game introduces a new weapon that completely shuts down the current meta
>>745196493No gun is reliable.
>>745195754>Game is cancelled because women and fags are too weak to handle it.
>Game becomes the de-facto face of an entire genre despite better options existing
>>745196593is the F-35 the Star Citizen of aircraft
>>745196694No, the F-35 actually came out and is being shipped to buyers who are satisfied with itAlso, that's an F-22
>>745195754>>745196214
>Game has a lot of impractical mechanics but has become a pop culture staple for a reason
>game is too expensive to justify playing
>>745196593Honestly, are there? Not in terms of price/performance, but just answering the question of "What's the best fighter jet money can buy", has it actually been surpassed yet?
>>745196593>>745196863>Game is designed around a single mechanic
>>745196117Give it to me straight, why bother with caseless ammo?
>>745196058There are dozens of us
>>745197216reddit: the plane
>>745197325no cases = less money spent on logistics = more money.
>>745197386That would be this
>>745197458Doesn't caseless ammo need much more careful handling and is more susceptible to shitty environment?You'd think in war, you just want shit that works even in very shitty circumstances
>>745197386>Reddit>Not a soviet planePick one
>>745197325Aside from logistics, which may well be eaten up by manufacturing costs, it's also size and weight. Brass is metal, and all that metal now has to be carried around by a soldier, limiting how much ammo a soldier can have with him, and thus his staying power in an engagement.
>>745196356The UK and France specifically had recent experience fighting terrorists an insurgents in their overseas territories that required their troops to constantly mount/dismount vehicles, something that the L1A1 and MAS 49/56 are incredibly unsuited for.
>>745196557funny thing is that despite that bullshit 9mm saw advances in gunpowder and the like so now modern 9mm is where 10mm was 30-40 years ago.
>>745196493Safe? Nigga the charging handle is mounted to the barrellI don't think anyone actually did blow their finger off but that's because people took one look.at it and said no way
>>745197546It just needs more development. Just like the cases we use today had.
>>745195754The gun you reload with a ruler.
>>745197806Tell that to the guy who designed it not me.
>>745195869>This rifle goes from 0 to 3 rounds in under a secondIs that fast?
>>745197578how would a soviet plane be reddit? Reddit is a primarely american website frequented by a primarely american and western audience and they love to shit on russia and the soviet union
>>7451978672100rpm 3-round burst. The idea was that at least one of them would hit what you're aiming at.
>>745197780not to mention they make a billion different doublestack 1911's in 9mm no, with all metal so they easily handle the ultra spicy boi 9mm pissing hot loads, with fucking ports and comps so they are stupid easy to shoot flat and drive tacks.
>>745197826>Just 2 more development cycles broJust give me laser guns instead of pimped up musket technology
>>745198221Lasers aren't good at killing people though, takes a lot longer than a bulletWe do have military lasers already but they're only used for shooting down missiles
>>745198391Put more power into them then
>>745198452Too expensive for killing some random guy
>>745196593>beloved alternative game modes abandoned in sequels by devs
>>745198501Not my problem
>2026>still no laser guns for infantryfuck this gay ass kike planet "muh money efficiency" GIVE ME MY LASER GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>745198452They're already powerful enough to melt steel ya dingus, you can't change the laws of thermodynamics
>>745198391>they're only used for shooting down missilesDrones now
>>745198598Let the eggheads in the lab figure that one out
>>745195824Autism is the next stage of human evolution and germans are übermenschen.
>>745197541Sometimes, you just want to go fast, okay?
>>745198584Laser guns exi->For infantryYeah that's bullshit we should have some
>>745195754>doesn't actually workit did though. they just didn't want to have to switch over their whole established system to caseless ammo
>>745198584>>745198856We're limited because of batteries. We have all this science that is basically indistinguishable from sorcery but we can only power it by using the exact same type of batteries that have existed since ancient egypt. We made them more efficient but the underlying principle is the same.Whoever figures out an actual replacement for batteries is going to get incredibly, unfathomably rich.
>>745198584https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_WeaponsSorry bro, no pewpew lasers for you.
>>745198996>Whoever figures out an actual replacement for batteries is going to get incredibly, unfathomably rich.more like incredibly unfathomably dead while the established players steal the blueprints and enrich themselves.
>>745197347>bowl of unsauced, unseasoned raviolido amerigherkins seriously?
>>745198996Wtf were the ancient Egyptians using lithium ion batteries for?
>>745199240rent freebutter is sauce
>>745199245How do you think the pyramids were built?
>>745197867It's not about speed really, and all about it. The barrel of the gun moves on a rail and the recoil from the first shot hits you only after the third one leaves the barrel. So basically its the most accurate 3 round burst you can have, because theres no recoil at all during the three shots
>>745199613Instead of shooting three bullets why not just shoot one really big bullet?>but I might miss!Skill issue lmao
I demand more Kraut autism weapons.
>Game everyone and their mother swears is good but no one plays it because it's actually shit
>>745199735Big bullet induce more recoil so it takes more time to reacquire target. This is why 556 is developed to phase out 7.62 around that time.
>>745200108Nigga just have the bullet be big enough to kill in one shot.
>>745200106noguns guy here. broke my heart as a kid when actual gun guys said this gun’s actually really impractical and shit
>>745195754Good gun for a prototype, expensive ammo. That's always been hnk s bane. G36 would shoot straight if they wouldn't use Nato, too. But pewpew cheap > pewpew accurate.
>Sequel is a massive improvement over the first game but had none of the cultural impact the original did so it ends up more forgotten
>>745200375It's just ugly, guns people autism over all happen to look aesthetically pleasing
>>745200375Looks like like something out of MGS V.
>>745200410G11 and OICW were objectively ugly and people still autistic about them.
>>745198584Now that drones are everywhere, we might see laser tech advancement as it seems to be the only way to stop them. The first prototype might not be enough to kil a human but should be enough to kill wire guided drones.
>>745195754the g11 is a dogshit design that is fundmentally incompatible with real world conditions and would be one of the most hated rifles in history if it was actually put into production
>>745196058it was ok in james bond agent under fire
>>745195754I loved using this one in Black Ops>>745196058I loved using this one in Modern Warfare 2
>>745200879Sure mate
I'm sorry but we reached peak gun design with the AR and AK platforms. There's really no reason to try anything new because these two platforms can do everything.
>>745195824Their ancestors were a victim of the last doomsday weaponized autism bombs deployed by the Finno-Korean war.
>>745200106>>745200274If you could put a collapsible stock on it, it would make a great bush gun for hunting. But the only place where a DE could be successful has gay laws about stocks on pistols and so it fits no usecase.
>>745200879>muh lasersRequire an enormous battery/super conductors.Are useless in rain or fog.Require the beam be held on the drone which is moving at 20mph in 3 dimensions.Lasers will exist as turrets to defend important assets. Your average grunt gets the shotgun.
>>745196317>>745196493>One man pranks his own company to death.
>>745197541God I love how hungry for AIR the foxbat is.
>>745203396We really will never escape our most venerable ancestor will we.
G11 is the cell processor of gun world, theoretically powerful but not worth dealing with.
>>745195824Lutheranism
>>745203396can the average grunt with a shotgun hit a small moving target hundreds of meters away from them?
>>745203396I always knew those years spent skeet/trap shooting would pay off
>>745196356>why did they dump itBecause everything in military matters is becoming homogenized and soulless. Now you can have nothing but multicam-wearing soldiers shooting each other with AR-15, HK416 or AK-platform rifles or their copies.
>>745203847With practice in skeet shooting sure. It's not going to give them great odds but they're better off with birdshot than with 5.56.
>>745203396you only need these if you're a low tech shithole. ukraine has advanced ew and they barely suffer any casualties from drones. optic fiber drones are slow and unreliable and can be easily taken down with a rifle.
>>745203847>hundreds of meters awayNobody could do it, not even skeet shooting pros
>>745203847Why would you use a shotgun at rifle range to engage a drone that probably hasn't even spotted you yet?
>>745204223idk im looking at that pic and it looks like a shotgun to me
>>745204290It also looks like a few meters, not hundreds.
>>745203847Nah, there was a video of 2 soldiers trying to shoot down a single unarmed drone with shotguns and they were dead like 8 times over before finally hitting it.
>>745203847If people can shoot birds in flight or skeet, they can shoot drones.
>>745204121It's the nets keeping Ukraine safe from drones.
>>745196356Because America won the culture war.
>>745195824Everything looks autistic to you because you people think and act like women and have been indoctraneted to think like Jews and corporations
>>745199240Butter and a little hard cheese like parmigiano or peccorino is the classic Italian way to eat filled pasta like ravioli or tortelini
>>745203847The hundreds of meters away is what I don't think anons get. At like 150yards (whatever that is in french surrender units) is about the range where birdshot drops off and becomes ineffective. That's why you can shoot shotguns up into the air into at horizon and be safe unlike a rifle. Shotgun will basically only protect you against the kind of drones that suicide bomb you. Some predator drone in the air that just fires a missile from the sky, youre still fucked.
>>745204525If America won literally anyone else would be joining them in adopting this piece of shit.
>>745203225Every attempt to replace an AR variant by the any branch of the US military has resulted in nothing bit millions of wasted dollarsThey're even walking back that SIG rifle in some 6mm cartridge that actually won a contract
>>745204701I heard the GIGN is planning to use the rifle round.
>>745195754Peak futuristic looking gun
>>745204701Afghanistan still haunting yankees
>completely normal, forgettable bog standard magazine fed revolver has a funny name, so it becomes notable for that dumb reason
>>745196356the bullpup IS better, its just modern men are pussies, so they went back to worse gear that was easier use, instead of better gear that was harder to use
>>745205071Shit looks like it's going to constantly jam.
>>745196356the advantage of a bullpup is retaining a longer barrel length on a shorter overall gun. the disadvantage is that bullpups have mushy triggers and wonky controls. every country dumped bullpups as carbine/SBR length AR platform rifles became even lighter and more accurate over time, since now a short AR has roughly similar performance to a bullpup but doesn't come with the downside of bad triggers or funky ergonomics. once you shoot enough guns you eventually come to the painful realization that every cool gun actually sucks or otherwise doesn't do anything that a basic modern AR platform can't already do for cheaper.
>>745205071It's notable for the trounds not the name.
>>745204690>Some predator drone in the air that just fires a missile from the sky, youre still fucked.No infantry weapon will help you against that. A reaper (which is what we're actually using) flies at like 7km high (for the burgers, 25,000 ft). That's out of range even for MANPADS.
>>745205237
>>745205404Also a fun new weapon courtesy of the US military is a shipping container full of cruise missles that get yeeted out the back of a C-130You would think this is a bad idea as cargo planes aren't very fast but each missle has a range of 600 miles so they get dropped well before any air defence could target the carrier
>>745195754>Hidden gem gets completely overshadowed by typical AAA slop
>>745203992They get homogenized because we collectively figure out the best way to do things. It's like aerodynamics. All good planes will end up looking the same.
Imagine being a PDW fan. Lmao!
>100 year old game will still be enjoyed 100 years from now
>>745205171And they did because of the shitty plastic.
The Greatest Game.
>>745197867yee-up *sips coors* shoots faster 'n a young buckrabbit on growth hormones. them commies won't know what hit 'em.
>>745205619the ar (probably) isnt the best gun, its just "a gun" with nearly 80 years of refinement. if the military was willing to dump billions and billions into replacing every single gun, wasting basically billions in spare parts and manufacturing equipment, choose any of the guns that perform marginally better, THEN spend 80 years refining that, you could probably easily end up with a much better gun then the it.itll never happen unless some sort of fundamental game changer happens and the ar is FORCIBLY dropped, like caseless ammo that simply functions better in some sort of non-a.r format, and ultimately it probably wouldnt be worth the cost anyways, but just sayin.
>>745205798>some of the best firearms ever made were designed by a fucking mormonWas joseph smith actually onto something or nah?
>>745195754Knights in the Nightmare
>>745196050Drones are just a new unit in the rts of life. Drones cant hold objectives, if they could the cruise missile would have made all other weapons just as obsolete.
>>745197867no, thats unbelievably slow. 3 rounds a second means it would take 15 seconds to fire a magazine. thats 180 rounds per minute. a regular ar-15 is like 500-600 rounds per minute, or about 3 times faster.its just a badly written description.
>>745197898Both reddit and soviet union are failed states.
>>745206049>coughs
>>745203992Could not have said it better myself. You will never see the amount of national aesthetics in military gear, firearms and vehicles like you did in WW2. You could tell nationalities and ethnicity on the basis of their tanks, firearms, planes and uniforms. You will never see the same amount of this again. Its all globohomo now. Its all NATO standard. Its all the global hegemony of the American Empire(for as long as it lasts)
>>745206098IRL it was in fact 35 RPS or 2100 RPM
>>745206194Thats like saying next combat practice will br electrifying swamps cus it happened once in the Iran-Iraq war
>>745196593Such an amazing, beautiful plane. Kind of sad that it will never get to fight in a real war, or have even one real fight.
>>745206297>this will only happen once
>>745205115So warfare is actually a fighting game and the average solider cant do a quarter circle?
>>745205851Based p90 poster.
>>745206242>American EmpireLast I checked it's American tanks that use German parts not the other way around
>>745206194NTA but pretty sure by holding he meant occupying. Sure you can HOLD a frontline like this but actually occupying and governing a region will require a solid degree of manpower. Otherwise your conquest is useless.
>>745206449Machinegun on an RC car held an empty field. Get back to me when it does anything in an urban enviroment or have to interact with civilians.
>>745206507And if it weren't for the US, Germany would be using the cyrillic alphabet right now
>>745206448>when the final boss is a complete anticlimax, not even a real fight
>>745206507And the Germans bought a bunch of F-35's.
>>745206684They tried that experiment in Romania it just makes people that are assholes.
>>745206651tell me when a russian squad holds an empty field for 6 weeks lmao
>>745206789IIRC the glocks they use are made in the USA too despite bordering Austria
>>745200375I can see why this failed, it looks like an M16 with Downs Syndrome.
>>745206731Imagine flying in to engage that thing in your F-22 while this playshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYW1F7v6D-Q
>>745206684If it weren't for US, we'd be speaking German and europe would be a better place
>makes your toys obsolete
>>745207082Baba Yaga....
vaguely relevant to the thread, but how am I supposed to use this aim sight? It's pretty common in shooting games with grenade launchers. Am I supposed to use the middle sights? If I am what's the point of the bottom and top sights?
>>745207170what happens to a bullet if you firing it up higher
>>745207170every mark means a certain distance i think
>>745205851I liked Stargate too.
>game has a neat item but it requires too much resources to make it your go-to so you just ignore it
>>745207405nice ak 47
>>745207405>literally just a bike chain and a gear inside>too much resources
>>745207221>>745207289but if I aim up the sights also go up so doesn't that ruin the whole point of having different markings on the sights?
>>745207405Man this thing was beastly in BF3 after they fixed the rate of fire in burst mode.
>>745207170You say "fuck using the M79 sights" and just keep shoot until you get a feel for it.
>>745207170
>>745207170For most games the leaf sight is useless and it's only there for flavor. In games that are more "realistic", you'll do pic related. Each level is a range.
>>745205851>could have been a well adopted weapon but the Germans had a melty over it and threatened to disrupt ammo supplies to all of Nato if it was picked over their crappier version
>>745207702>well adoptedThe hand position is objectively trash
>>745207702It was always intended for use as a PDW though, not for infantry
>>745207837yes but that's exactly what the germans got upset about
>>745207442Don't you bully her.
>>745207937>herlost interest
>>745206684You accomplished that by fighting against Germany?Germany would have won if you didnt join the war.
>>745208050Good, now go die from AIDS.
>>745207920Looking at it the p90 is slightly more used than the MP7 but mostly for law enforcement and not militaryTurns out ICE is packing them as well kek, probably cheaper to keep the illegal around than dumping 50 rounds of titanium core 5.7 in them lol
>>745208175Germany could never win even without the US because they need to invade the UK, which is impossible.
>>745208050I don't think I have ever seen an openly gayer post on /v/ tbqh
>>745207465Have fun field stripping that "simple" bike chain.
>>745208264Hitler wanted england as an ally and was hoping that after he had all of europe they would fall in lineAnd then when they didn't he refused to bomb a bunch of places because he wanted a lot of historical buildings intact so it was n fact hitler being retarded that lost him the war
>>745205619No, they got homogenized because select few corporations producing weapons and armor kept receiving government contracts via lobbying and backroom deals. It has very little to do with the best things being adopted, this isn't 1930's anymore.
>>745196317how do you even hold this?
>>745206194Lmao. Do you seriously believe this slop?
>>745206996
>>745206996Krauts had no chance of winning after Stalingrad.
>>745200375looking like a generic AR doesn't help
>>745200106This is most 4chan approved games, the more niche and shit, they more they swear it's great
>>745208680>it took the russians six weeks to do thisgrim
>>745208972Sounds like it needs to be pic related then.>game is good because it's untranslated
>>745208831But also Russia won because they got fucktons of material from the US.
>>745208680>>745209070AI sloppaThe flame top right is in front of the smoke for a few seconds
>>745208460mate, he sent inaccurate bombs against London indiscriminately the only reason London was left relatively intact is because the Brits were vastly superior in the air compared to the Germans He didn't spare cities at all, look at what happened to cities like Rotterdam
>>745209126>NOOOO ITS NOT FAIR MY ENEMIES WORKED TOGETHER
>>745209126>about 7% of domestic production made Russia win
>>745209172Congrats, you missed the point. Fucking retard.
>>745209193we have our top scientists still working on what anons "point" was
>>745209169Look up dover castle, Hitler avoided bombing the fortress that the RAF used as a staging ground for the battle of britain because he wanted to live in it
>see two games competing with each other>make a mishmash of both game's main features
>>745209482which is an entirely selfish reasonhe flat out didn't give a fuck about any other historical monument other than the one he himself wanted as his private propertyand remember when he was losing the war he gave the order to destroy as much western art as he possibly could, the only reason the various artworks that the Nazis stole survived is because the US made a special team to try and save them, and even then some were lostThe fact of the matter is, Hitler was a hypocrite and a sore loser
>mechanic is so solid that every game incldes it
>>745209093>game gets an English translation patch
>>745206194>>745208680>>745209070https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/нeyлoвимый_Джo
>>745195754its mechanics worked, but its ammunition didn't - caseless ammo never took off precisely because it was so unreliable, between not igniting all the way to push the bullet out of the barrel or being melted before it could be used>>745196058turns out bullpup ergonomics are shit - length-of-pull and trigger-weight is monstrous and you'll never manipulate the human brain to want to put a magazine BEHIND the other hand when reloading>>745196090SPAS-12 was highly expensive, its semi-auto/pump-action alternation schtick couldn't cycle the same loads, and had a major quality-problem with its safety lever which could literally fall off>>745200106Desert Eagles are "good" in the sense that they work, but bad for anyone smaller than Shaquille O'Neal
>>745203992AR are end game tech, it doesn't get better for ballistics weapons.
>>745205619>It's like aerodynamics. All good planes will end up looking the same.Yea....I wish games set in Cold War peroid were more prevelent. I wanna fly a MIG
>>745199240Ravioli is shit for holding sauce desu you want rotini or fusili for maximum surface area
>>745208670It's supposed to be a gun attachment but also a standalone gun. The grip as a standalone gun is awkward, and requires two hands
>>745203992>Now you can have nothing but multicam-wearing soldiers shooting each other with AR-15, HK416 or AK-platform rifles or their copies.You've just explained every "tacticool" mod to bassicaly every game. And then thsoe same modders saying how they "fixed" the game.(By either making it like CoDshit or deleting melee)
>>745211190i dont think he looked like this in cod
>>745195754>game series is very dated but introduced revolutionary mechanics
>>745208670You don't, you're not supposed to kill anyone with it.
>>745211416>game is old but its mechanics are still relevant
>>745210797Cold War jets are peak because everything looks like it was designed by a drunk mathematician and a sheet metal worker with 2 hours of sleep>giant intake nose>tiny wings>missiles that may or may not decide to work>radar made of vacuum tubes and spiteI want more games where flying a MiG-21 feels like riding a lawn dart into a thunderstorm, not another F-35 HUD simulator.
>>745211791>100 years later
>>745195754A lot of funny guns actually worked but not well enough to replace any standard equipment with it and sure as fuck not well enough to atart producing esoteric ammo and mags in big quantities. Why bother when you can just boughter a big crate of 5.56 and standardized mags much more easily? You're outfitting an army or at least some big dick spec ops division here, not buyering a cool gun to bring to the range.
>>745200274yeah it was a bummer to find out that thompson sub-machine guns sucked ass as well
>>745212675Anon are you okay? You're not having a stroke, are you?
>>745198740Is letting your country be overrun by turks and degenerates and sucking circumcised jewish cock part of being le übermenschen
>>745200106reason why>deaglewas a meme on /k/ if it isn't still
>>745212236Cold War has that problem of not having a clear sellable war. Which is a shame because you culd make a game with JUST Warsaw Pact gear.
>>745213115>7 flags>6 dudeswh-where did the 7th guy go
>>745213161bulgarians ate him
>>745213161They ate him
>>745213161technicaly they are not even under right flags.
>>745213161He's taking the picture
>>745213115dude second from the right looks like hes thinking>day 48. the others have still not detected im actually mexican
>>745197325caseless rounds proved to be much smaller individually then comparable brass cartridges and many more could be shoved into the same space that would normally be taken by regular brass casings. They were also somewhere in the ballpark of about 40-50% lighter per round compared to brass ammunition.Because the weapon doesn't have to eject spent casings, it enabled extremely fast rates of fire to where the G11 could shoot its three round burst mode in the ballpark of 2400-3000 RPM, which was fast enough that the recoil impulse felt by the shooter was one bump and not three (the recoil from the first and second round literally didn't have time to make it through the buffering system to the end of the weapon).Theres a lot of things against it too which is why we're ultimately not using it>practically speaking they would probably be a lot more susceptible to shitty handling then brass (weather, getting damaged, etc)>brass ammunition has over 100 years of industry built around it already, so caseless will not be cost effective to produce for a long time>early G11 weapon designs struggled with heat problems and cookoff which required better material research for the powder
>>745195869kinda, just like there were pseudo-magazine fed muskets in like the 17th or 18th century. But the maintenance and manufacturing costs were too high and you couldn't really trust anyone outside of the best of the best to not fuck it up instantly. And it was still a prototype which needed lots of fixes.So it was a very cool toy but in practice it achieved basically nothing.
>>745195754But.. but this thing worked?It was just not economical, there were things that do the same cheaper, but it was a completely functional gun.
>>745213837>it workedyeah but it was also a huge hazard due to it's caseless ammunition being really vulnerable to the gun's own overheating
>>745196356>why did they fall for the memelong gun advantages in short gun form sounds great>why did they dump itturns out you don't need long gun advantages enough to warrant retraining people and swapping all your shit out
>>745196058AUGAY
These two yuusha shows really doing damage to my delicate shipper heart
>>745212740the problem with the Thompson isn't a matter of it "sucking" - a shitload of .45 auto rounds fired out of the thing is going to kill anything smaller than an armored carit's the fact that it's heavier than most rifles, and the high rate-of-fire has an awkward cadence that most shooters can't "ease into", combined with the aggressively downswept stock owing to the sights set flush with the receiver rendering the recoil impulse very difficult to controlit kills shit dead as good as anything else, but it is NOT user friendly at all
>>745205071
>>745197325three major reasons:1. logistics - removing an item from the list of things that has to be manufactured, purchased, and supplied 2. weight - replacing a heavy item with a light item means soldiers can carry more ammunition3. volume - replacing a large bulky object that needs to contain the bullet and powder when you can just encase the bullet in the powder means the same bullet with the same ballistics can occupy much less space, or else a much larger bullet with much more powerful ballistics can occupy the same space, again meaning more ammunitionhowever, as it turns out, making the cartridge and propellant the same object turned out to introduce a number of unforeseen insoluble problems that were never the case with brass ammo - reinventing the wheel typically leads to the resulting conclusion that the original wheel was kept around so long for a very good reason
>>745205071about as reliable as DHS too
>>745195928>if the cold war didn't end it would be adoptedWrong. It was/is far too complicated to be adopted. The trigger group needs a fucking ancient hermit master watchmaker to service it.
>>745213161he is very well camouflaged
>>745200185The G11 can kill in one shotthe 2 extra is just there for overkill
>>745216226>but it is NOT user friendly at allUnfortunately, that is really the only thing that matters when it comes to guns. Once you're past 22lr and in the realm of bullets that have enough punch to reliably kill, all the talk of calibers and stopping power is secondary to the ability to reliably hit what you want to, i.e. user friendliness.
I love how the G11 is wacky German bullshit with all kinds of moving parts and then like a decade later you get the P90 with a fucking twisting ramp.
>>745219875Well you see that couldn't have worked with the G11. Because HK, for reasons fully beyond me, chose to make the cartridges fucking rectangular.
>>745204610
>>745216596150 years ago people didn't have polymers and shit that could be used as both a sturdy cartrige and propellant. Well, we still don't have it, but theoretically we could.
>game is would've been perfectly serviceable if it was released two decades earlier
This thread look like it fucks guns
>>745213115>>745213161>>745213285the romanian is stealing the cars
>>745223552
>roguelike version of a popular game
>>745224084
>>745195869>Goes from 0 to 3 rounds in under a secondIt goes from empty to having 3 rounds?
>>745195869iirc only weapon in the game with no accuracy penalty for subsequent shorts in a burst fire, meaning you could plausibly all three
>>745224196>that one russian engineer that kept trying to push double barrel ak>he made designs that were used for aek, AN and modern AKs, so that he could shill his double barrel AK
>>745226582>you see stalker>you shoot gun sideways>and bullet go back into gun
>>745195754i wish i had one of these
>game was perfect on release and nobody has been able to improve on it since
>>745224196And it gets worse...
>>745228359This is why americans fear socialism
for me it's my .45
>>745228316>>745205798>"My understanding is that this weapon not only predates the colonies, but space travel entirely. If that is the case then it's a truly venerable design, and one I'm told will continue to serve for the foreseeable future.">"a soldier has many fathers. The Drill Sargeant. The Platoon Leader. The Supply Officer. The Hospital Corp prostheticsman who bolts you a new hand.">"A Soldier has only one Mother"I fucking love when this thing shows up in sci-fi
>>745228359are these warhammer 40k weapons
>>745228968not enough decorative skulls
>>745195754The G11 does actually work. It just never went into production for numerous different reasons.>>745195824Yoh mistake talent and ingenuity fir autism, because you are retarded.
>>745210256you didn't post an image dipshit
>>745211416Firearms came before full-plate armor yet the latter is heavily associated with the medieval era despite being used at the end of the medieval times and mostly through the renaissance.But if you put firearms in your medieval-themed game, people will say it's out of place.
>>745195869hold my beer, I've got this
>>745229340Because if devs put firearms in their medieval games they'll get complaints from ball and gun gamers that their guns suck. Of course they suck they're supposed to suck.
>>745226582>gun fires quantum rounds that kill your enemy before they were even born
>>745213115>east german wearing a fancy watchCapital is theftSend him to gulag
>>745213115>Germ got no helmet>Pole has no ammowouldn't bee too surprised if one of them doesn't have shoes
>>745228316>still required an M2A1 that fixed the gun shooting itself out of headspace and timing >the upgrade was done in the 21st century when FN fixed that almost 80 years agoFace it, the M2 is only still used because it's good enough and because they made a shitload of them during WW2. And the reason they made so many? Because they needed an aircraft gun but couldn't get the Hispano to work.
>>745196341https://tnvc.com/shop/l3harris-gpnvg-ruggedized-bridge/50 FUCKING GRAND??!!The MIC has gone too damn far. 50 grand for each damn soldier.
>>745206098Yeah but ar-15's are semi auto and you have to, like, keep pulling the trigger and junk
>>745206448It got shot in the Iran War and had to make an emergency landing. Granted it tanked that missle and kept going which is impressive. But the F35 already has battle scars
>>745230507That's basically pennies.BTW we instituted a new tax, so good luck ever owning your own house.
>>745195754too high-iq for the average player.
>>745228139Not enough dakka
>>745230995
>game is so ahead of its time people end up hating it
>>745230995Outside Douk Nugget, any other game with this thing? I like it.
>gaming classic taken through some questionable modifications to be re-released as portable
>>745196593But it's so fucking pretty dude UNGGHHHHH don't you just want to run your hands all over those curves and angles.
>>745231626Fournicator in Postal 4?
>>745196190they did actually fix the cook-offs, it's just that they then ran into the problem of >ok what does ww3 scale production look like when your manufacturing process is pouring explosive slurry into molds and letting the solvents evaporateand the answer was>not great, bob
>game has a mechanic where you lose when you think of it
>everyone's favorite character keeps getting sidelined for diversity
>>745229142Scat pride.
>small security issue drives off most of the userbase, game has to be sunset
>>745198740autism is a form of mental retardation idiot
>game relies on user generated content
>>745231626One of Payday 2's innumerable weapon DLC packs.
>>745230735An F-22 got shot during the Iran War? I'd heard that an F-35 took a hit but this is the first I'm hearing that an F-22 tanked that
>>745235335nah, he just doesn't know how to tell them apart
>>745195754Hey that's the gun from the first Far Cry.
we need an ultra rare rifle to show our main character has connections
>>745235492lightning tummy yummy
>>745210797>Mikoyan size comparison I see what you did there.
>>745236673
>>745231426*tips fedorov*
>>745230995Those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride...
>>745231690when would you ever need this? You're getting jumped by a mugger wearing body armor?
Gonna be honest with you lads, after seeing that video of an old guy at a shooting range blowing his entire forearm off because his shotgun malfunctioned I can't see why anyone would want to shoot guns as a hobby. It's just too dangerous. One factory defect or fucked up maintenance and your life is changed forever. I'll stick to being a gun nerd in video games.
>>745239529do you avoid computer chairs because of the story about the chinese kid who died from getting his ass perforated by a defective gas piston
>>745197325Firing the whole bullet gives you 66% more bullet per bullet.
>>745229392ah yes from the "i didn't need that wrist anyway" school of design
>>745239363To test ATF's patience?I guess it was a neat gimmick when originally made, so you wouldn't really need it but might still want it.
>>745230507fielding a single zog nigger costs about a million before operational outlays
>>745196341where is this?döner kebab is german but the rest is some other language
>>745196058I remember when they added this and the SG552 to CS.
>>745239625I think there have been more gun accidents than chair explosions, otherwise we'd know about it. 0.00001% chance vs 0.01% chance sort of thing.
>>745220087>or reasons fully beyond memaximum amount of powder in a given amount of magazine volume (and accordingly, lower weight)
>>745240021There's AC units in the background so it can't be anywhere in Europe. South America perhaps?
>>745239529Anytime you walk out onto the street or get in a car you have the chance of being maimed or killed by your own or someone else's split second decision, and you're going to be engaging with that a lot more than a gun hobbyist ever engages with shooting.
>>745232340concorde had trouble staying profitable before that. the crash just made the decision easy.
>>745240613Also aftermath of 9/11 that made people overall less enthusiastic about air travel.
>>745203362The Finno-Korean Hyperwar and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>745228924speaking of Brigador, I think the Cut Fiddy is a badass concept>M2HB rigged up to be able to fire from the shoulder, but it's still a nearly 100 lbs machine gun so you need an exoskeleton to use itgenuinely seems like a concept from a 1980s action movie which then regularly shows up in other media long afterwards because everyone found it cool
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