Why can't japs just write a normal fucking story with normal people that actually act like human beings? JUST. FUCKING. ONCE.I swear to Christ two nukes wasn't enough.This God damn game wants me to take war seriously, while simultaneously having a random villager giving birth in the back of a tank. Just before introducing the cute flying pig and protagonists butterfly collection?HOW CAN ANYONE PLAY THIS SHIT WITHOUT WANTING TO VOMIT?It's either completely ridiculous bullshit like this or a plot that simply doesn't make sense and feels like it was written by a five year old.>The 12 year old child is actually a 3000 year old demon that teaches you the lost secret art of sword sucking. But it's only revealed through great tragedy that she was actually an angel all along.
the sequels are even worse. this is actually the only game in the series with decent characters and an almost decent story.
>>745195919Because of kishotenketsu. They don't do a three act setup.
Bugmen are not people.
>>745195919and this is the one that people praise as a serious, grounded and non anime trope filled war story
>>745195919Bro if you think that's bad wait until you get to VC2
All game writing is crap and you're larping if you pretend to care about it.>>>/pol/540644112
>>745195919>Why can't japs just write a normal fucking story with normal people that actually act like human beings?Why not just read a history textbook?
>>745195919>The 12 year old child is actually a 3000 ye-ah you were parroting some youtube nigger's opinion. Kill yourself promptly.
>>745195919Unlike America where the "good writers" all work in film which is more prestigious and pays better, Japan doesnt have much of a film industry and the country is obsessed with anime, so you'd think their talented writers would be working in anime or gaming. And yet there hasn't been an anime or anime-style game with good writing in 20 years
>>745196153i have started skipping cutscenes for almost all games i play. if a game has a good hook at the beginning, i might stick it through. but pacing is usually terrible and the content not meaty enough to be worth wasting my time or mental space on.
>>745196265That specific trope being used to criticize JRPG writing in general has been around longer than YouTube has existed
>>745195919It really does suck. Just write something not fucking bizzare and slap anime art onto it and the games would sale so much more.
Modern Japanese artists are like medieval European artists. They outright ignore realism and relatable human elements in favor of idealism. They create these wacky silly fantasy worlds where humans have big eyes and look like cats, where sex is the punchline to every joke and all women are yamato nadeshikos and people say "EHHHH??" when they're confused. That's just how they roll
>>745196487Fuck off stupid retard.
There's one well written japanese game and it's Xenogears
>>745196295first season of psycho pass is good, pretty much any manga by naoki urasawa is good. the problem with a lot of japanese media is being autistic with power levels and going into painstaking detail about how powers work despite them breaking those rules or levels constantly for whatever serves the narrative in the moment. they also trend chase really hard and you can find 50 versions of the same story across different IPs with very minor variations to the formula, just trying to see what sticks. look at all the bullshit isekais to see my point. there's also a growing trend of "slice of life family drama but WITH A TWIST" after spy x family came out.i do think there are a decent amount of japanese writers who do thrillers and conspiracy stories very well, though.
>>745195919What would you know about how normal humans act, you autistic freak?>can't even imagine a soldier having a hobby
>>745196295Made in Abyss?
>>745196628Imagine going into anime ramble unprompt that doesn't prove anything other than you're an autist who likes to say words.
>>745196641They're pixels. In a toy for 12 year olds. Did I make fun of your favorite toy? There's only one autist here anon.
>>745196007I know that structure because of Durarara
>>745195919its not just japs, asians in general cant write for shit
>>745196065That's my hero right there.
>>745196487yeah basically. Kingdom Hearts is just some kabuki theater shit. And because it's setting is REALLY alien it even works
>>745195919Based as fuck OP for once rightfully calling gooktoon wackos out on their zany bullshit.
>>745196882Yep, majority of them suck.Japs, gooks, chinks, whatever.
>>745196524What exactly did say that was wrong?
>>745196750>>745196810what a sad excuse for a human being you are.
>>745196295>Japan doesnt have much of a film industryThis makes me sad because there are plenty of great live-action films from Japan in the 80s and prior but now it's all mostly animated.Also Sonny Boy is great.
>>745196810By the same logic, why would you write OP? >rages about a game then tries to save face by pretending it's just le toy
>>745197001You're trying to negate tranime and chinks by latching onto whites. You're retarded and should kys
>4chan /v/ isn't rabidly jumping to the defense of Japanese cartoons and Japanese cartoon video games ITTWhat the fuck is going on? I get ripped to fucking shreds by weebs when I make threads like this.
>>745197203It's undeniably true that the quality of medieval European art declined significantly. Compare the medieval art I posted to ancient Greco-Roman sculptures
>>745196810you just made a thread sperging out about a toy for 12 year olds, go figure
>>745197272No its fucking not. You have to go back >>>/a/
>>745197326Lmao fucking freak getting this mad over someone saying that medieval European art is bad. The amount of random weirdos on 4chan never ceases to amaze me
>>745195919Sorry it wasn't a Whedon-esque quipfest, anon. I know you were really looking forward to that.
>>745197584Japanese quirkshit and American quirkshit are equally cringey. Simple as
>>745197584Maybe just don't include the fucking flying pig? Maybe? Is that really asking so much?
>>745195919They know it's trash and that their players are trained to enjoy this trash. Japanese developers are huge cynics.
>>745196716Made in Abyss might be the single worst piece of media ever conceived. I don’t even want to associate with the type of people who could enjoy it. I have more respect for people who read graphic tentacle hentai in public.
>>745195919I thought this was an eroge problem, but when I started playing Japanese games it turned out they can't write people. I get it there are localization problems, but you can see in cutscenes how the character act and it'a not normal or logical. I can't say foe sure, maybe it's because their novelists didn't have all the literary phases as Westeners have, so they're not used to reading about normal people acting normally.
>>745195919If you can't jive with wackiness and melodrama you should fuck off to be honest.
>>745197841Good argument
>>745197921I'd argue it's not just how they write, but how they they see real life public discussion as a "performance". That's why it feels so ridiculous, inauthentic and fake. Because it is. Have you ever watched any live action Japanese television? It can be the most mundane bullshit being discussed and every single person involved will be making soijack tier reactions and under no circumstance is anyone allowed to stop being disgustingly chipper and happy to an extremely unnatural degree.
ITT: inflated ego racists
>>745197921>you can see in cutscenes how the character act and it'a not normal or logicalCan you think of a specific example?
gr8 b8I almost played VC1 again>>745198143yurop hours, pleas understand they have not been relevant since the middle ages
>>745198106I've watched some Netflix series about sumo fighters. It was normal as far as I can tell.However I've seen tons of clips of Americans acting like reality TV personas in real life. It's just as inauthentic as it sounds.I'm yuropoor so we just go around frowning all the time and only show emotion around family members.>>745198228Think of how in Persona games the characters, who are all high schoolers and high schoolers are meant to be unimpressed by everything and think showing any emotion is cringe, get all excited over eating saying it's the best thing in the world. Or how helpful they are, what normal person wants to go above and beyond to IDK, catch a cyberbully or some guy who hates cats? Yakuza games, they act like tough guys and then they kneel on the floor like idiots in front of their fatass 80yo boss, but 5 minutes earlier they were trying to rob a man in broad daylight in the busiest street in Osaka. Final Fantasy: wow Cloud you're so cool and you can fight even though we have a 300lbs negro with a cyberarm on our team who does jack shit.
>>745198532>high schoolers are meant to be unimpressed by everything and think showing any emotion is cringeWe made a game for you ;)
>>745198532>get all excited over eating saying it's the best thing in the worldYeah I always thought this was a super weird thing in anime. How characters will have literally orgasmic overreactions to food. It's ubiquitous too, literally every anime has at least one scene of it regardless of genre or tone. I just assumed it's a weird culture thing that emphasizes the importance of home cooking, as opposed to bad writing per say>they act like tough guys and then they kneel on the floor like idiots in front of their fatass 80yo bossI mean this is just how Japs act irl
>>745195919A foreign country has foreign ideals and notions. That's the whole damn point of buying a Japanese game, something different than the same generic Hollywood slop the west makes.
>>745198532It makes me shudder to think there are hot girls, cool guys, wacky characters like cait sith and cool villains like sepiroth and there are those like you who ignored all of them and gravitated to barret who was a lazy mister T joke character who had no purpose to the plot after the first disc. I'm not upset you like the character but I think the reason you like him is abnormal
>>745199032When they're all the same it's not ideals or notions it's just lazy cliches and a lack of original thought. Is it really asking that much for a Japanese produced game about war to maybe not have a flying pig in it? Would that be ok? Or is that actually a defining feature of a Japanese game? That it actually MUST refuse to take itself seriously?
>>745195919Japs get mad when anime doesnt conform to the standard genre tropes and cliches. Anime is comfort food escapism to them, writing characters or stories that reflect real people would upset them
>>745195919Which is funny because what you are complaining about is x10 worse in all the sequels, even VC4. The devs want constant "fun" moments despite what the overall tone is and in future games this comes by the bucket loads from side characters.In VC1 they are largely ignored. Except for the Edy Squad which was clearly the basis on how they would flesh out the characters from every game forwards lol
>>745195919>Why my anime game has anime components in it.Go play cod braindead mutt.
>>745198294You are brown
>>745199257>He thinks the flying pig is dumb!>This means he's a dude bro mountain dew and doritos gamer!I've played more great games that I've forgotten about than you'll ever even see little zoomer.
Aliasse is the best, the sweetest, and has the least baggage, Valkyria!
>>745195919you see an uguu kawaii girl with a gun on the cover and you expect a serious story? lmfao
>>745199212That's why Ideon mogs nu-anime trash
No matter how long I stay away from /v/ any time I log in here there's always a thread of seething rage about Japanese writing when the poster sees something mildly quirky. I can see why this boards so irrelevant besides posting bait for Xitter money(This Captcha is so trash now holy shit)
>>745199465No you posted the third result you've looked on google. And you are the one having a meltdown for an anime game because it has anime stuff in it. You are a retard, play games for retards.
>>745196295ReZero rapes everything you like
>>745195919Doesn't this game have famously atrocious localization to the point of being borderline fanfiction?Regardless, Selvaria is hot.
>amerifat with no theory of mind: "why do people from different cultures act different? I'm a genius literary critic"
>>745196012Yeah, they're cyborgs
>>745199576Yes!
>>745199754If the game is presented atrociously then the game is atrocious. Not my fault I don't speak ape.
>>745199806Moving goalposts. That's not the issue OP presented.
>>745195919It's great isn't it?Theres already enough "realistic" western shit. Just play one of those
>>745195919This game is fun but man it really didn't know when to end. I tried playing it two times and I always quit like 2/3 in it because of how fucking long it goes.Marina Wulfstan is best girl btw, in case anyone is wondering.
>>745199842Same problem. Shitty writing is shitty writing. And the game doesn't take itself seriously so neither can I. You can't talk about refugees and how war impacts nations and then: tee-hee butterflies *insert a grown man giggling like a schoolgirl*. It's fucking stupid.
>>745199961You can't criticize a writing you can't read. I don't even need to go into the merit of how much of a fucking idiot you are that has literally never stepped on a battlefield in your life to write such a retarded sentence, because your whole point fall at the fact you're not reading the original script.
>>745195919The Japanese reaaallly like their exposition dumps.
>>745198802>emphasizes the importance of home cookingThe Japanese diet is relatively static, especially if you're on a budget or in the countryside. The spread of foreign dishes in Japan has not been as widespread as in western countries that had centuries of immigration importing cuisine from everywhere.Aside from that some of it is travel propaganda. Promoting the idea of a local specialty encourages international travel and even local travel, some parts of Japan cannot exist without tourism and they recognize that.
>>745200069Tell us about your battlefields oh mighty keyboard warrior.It's a product translated to English and sold for money to westerners. I ABSOLUTELY will criticize it for it's English writing.And a flying pig isn't a translation issue, now is it? It's a stupidity issue.
>>745195919>This God damn game wants me to take war seriously, while simultaneously having a random villager giving birth in the back of a tank.>This God damn novel wants me to take war seriously, while simultaneously having random French girls that the characters try to skinnydip with and fuck.>This God damn movie wants me to take war seriously, while simultaneously having a random story about mocking someone for making out with an ugly girl in a barn.
>>745200201Americans can't be this stupid.
>>745200268>random villager giving birth in the back of a tankthis would be convincing if it actually happened in the game
>>745200302They are. They would call War and Peace badly written for a shitty translation
>>745200268>People having sex is the same thing as a woman giving birth in a tank, the things notorious for not even having enough room to turn around in>I'm also going to ignore the flying pig because that's completely destroys my narrative that the story should be viewed as anything other than retarded bullshit for children.
>>745200354It happens in the first fucking chapter, dude
>>745195919I swear shit hole genuinely has an aversion to kino
>>745200302>YOU CANT CRITICIZE THE PRODUCT YOU WERE SOLD FOR MONEY!!!You guys still live with mom, don't you?
This is a Hans appreciation thread since OP is clearly smittedn with him
Raita is a GOD
>>745200643Amen, brother
>>745195919>Why can't a country full of autismos write a non autistic storyGee anon, beats me
>>745195919>diversity is our strength>a different culture??>OMG YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE USSSSSSS
>>745200378>fantasy creature in a fantasy setting with magic rocks and mythical racesare the magic rock tanks with huge glowing weaknesses acceptable to you?the magic weapons of mass destruction?what are the odds that the first town that gets invaded spawns a militia group that becomes the heroes of the war? 99% unlikely and unrealistic
>>745196295>And yet there hasn't been an anime or anime-style game with good writing in 20 years
>>745201263Name them
>>745201451Madoka Magica
>>745201514nah, sukasuka
>>745198801I've played this game. It made me bitter with jealousy for not being a 90s teenager in peak American youth culture era. You have no idea how it feels to be peripheral in grand scheme of things and too late to experience youth the meant it was meant to be experienced.>>745198802What's more I don't even like Asian food. Too much oil, too much fish. American food is way better, Mexican is even better. Japanese have this cult of youth worshipping shotas and lolis, but youth is treated as a disease, same as here. Gerontocracy is fucking terrible. Why should I treat old farts who don't do anything as superior? It holds their society back because they refuse to make changes since changing anything means admitting your elders were wrong.>>745200193Local and traditional food is the most overrated thing in modern society. Here's a soup cooked with the stone I pulled out of the sea, it's nutritious and traditional! That will be 50€. Every time I go to a foreign country I just eat at McDonald's. My stomach can't handle hocus pocus food.>>745199070Mister T? From the commercials? I thought he was a Bob Sapp reference, but cooler. I didn't play the PS1 version if that's what you're thinking. Nevertheless I think he's cool.
>>745202585To me, the absolute worst part of Japanese culture is their bootlicking. How they'll genuinely guilt-trip you for pirating a game. An entire nation of unironic "leave the billion dollar corporation alone" samurai, because authority is all
>>745202703My headcanon is that societies with insane rules are the ones descended from the majority of population being ruled by a strict ruling class. Like how Indians, Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese had caste systems. I can imagine hundreds of thousands of early medieval Koreans fleeing to Japan and being beaten into submission of made up rules.>Welcome to Japan. You're burakumin now. The entire country will think you're unclean haha.>We'll call this place Bharat now. By the way you have a new religion with a yearly festival where you'll drink cow piss while my buddies act as your priests.
>>745195919VC is definitely a series the fans like to lie about the content of. They act like it's a strategy game with a dark storyline, since their main critique of 2 is how "anime" it is compared to the "dark" first game.You would get a darker storyline from any random Fire Emblem.
>>745202871There's a theory that the inherent collectivism and authoritarianism in Asians comes from rice being their main crop, which is relatively hard to grow and it takes a whole village cooperating to maintain a decent rice paddy. Meanwhile, Europeans and others on the Mediterranean grew wheat, which is very easy for a small family to grow, which is where our individuality comes from. Don't know if that's bullshit or not
>>745202703remember they get employed for life and not randomly fired. So their connection to their corporation is like lifelong marriage commitment and not a fling like in west.Secondary i wouldnt shittalk japs over defending corpa while burgers where literally kissing shoes of black people over a dead nigger who robbed a pregnant black women. Thats a peak level of stupid japs dont reach.
>>745197383>umad?epic troll!kys subhuman freak.
>>745203061All of my ancestors were farmers. Farming was very hard, especially when it got too hot. My grandma used to reap wheat during the night because the heat was unbearable. Cultivation of wheat and corn was not easy, but I imagine you don't need nearly as much effort as growing rice in the paddies. I don't know how it is in rice regions such as Italy or Macedonia, they're Euros who grow rice. But okay, corn and rice came here 500 years ago as opposed to wheat and barley. I think one of the reasons Euros are a bit more individualistic is because of beer, wine, and spirits. Drunk people are too dangerous to oppress too hard.I've read the manga called Ashura about a young Sengoku-era kid stuck in a famine region. Japan was backwards in the 19th century, but it was hell in 16th century.>>745203085Everyone used to be employed for life before the 90s. It's just that it stayed that way in Japan.
>>745195919JRPGs have anime style plots, characters and tropes. You are not meant to expect realism from them but stylized exaggeration and over the top drama. Like with most things it comes down to balance but even most of the most highly regarded JRPGs have a cringe moment or two here and there and even when they don´t it´s not unusual for them to go over the top with the drama or for the scale to grow out of proportion and end up fighting manifestations of god, death or destiny themselves. Not that western games don´t do that as well though... Just roll with it.
>>745195919>NOOOOOOO why did they make it fun?Anon, just stop and reconsider your priorities. You have bad taste. Le gritty and serious =/= entertaining or enjoyable. This is why people hate modern westoid stuff.
>>745203373afaik introduction of the assembly line created the first mass layoffs. The company owners problem was rare specialists could stop working and demand higher wages because they couldn't be replaced. With the assembly line any unskilled worker would do which destroyed the specialists negotiation power.
>>745195919Story of 4 is so ass it made me drop the game despite enjoying the gameplay. The entire cast is a collection of quirk chunguses i could care less about. The MC has zero personality and excels at everything he does. The forced ship is so on the nose it's touching your eyeballs.
>>745203573Le gritty and serious is actually based though (and applies to a lot of kino chuuni anime like Berserk, Elfen Lied, and Hellsing). Modern westoid is a forced soul quirky subversion of the edgekino we got in the 2000s
>>745195919I picked this up on sale with VC4 and yeah its pretty bad. The gameplay is... meh, but the story is just too cringe to tolerate. Weirdly enough Battalion Wars does the goofy anime war concept a lot better imo.
>>745196348And it's been retarded since its inception because outside of Disgaea you can't name a single example.
>>745199465The writing in JA2 is silly and cartoony as fuck.
>>745204306When you can acknowledge the spirit of the criticism instead of taking it literally it's rampant. There's exceptions, yes. But for the most part JRPGs are either A: Babby's first story, I.E. the super evil bad guy is destroying the world because he's evil and you play the super good guy that saves the world because you're super good.Or B: convoluted horseshit that simply doesn't make sense. Sure, Cloud, you were just pretending to be Zack. Makes sense.
>>745200643 Kai's ass is WAY too big. Change my mind.
>>745203963No anon the best is a non serious game thats edgy and narratively plays itself seriously.Think Shadow the hedgehog.
Get out of here with your terrible and wrong opinion and rope yourself. This board is so retarded.
>>745195919>plays an anime game with powers and fantasy shit>expect it to be realistic
>if its not a western boilerplate 3 act heros journey with fforced conflict then i am too stupid to understand it
>>745205110>Game wants me to take it serious when a position is overrun>Flying pigOne or the other.
>>745196882>>745196948>>>/pol/
>>745205191>entire game is made trivial by playing with mouse and keyboard
>>745197938>>745200181>>745200643>>745200675why is she so perfect bros
>>745195919Better just stick with western games. Shit seems more like your speed anyway.
They don't want it to be taken too seriously.The actual background of a militia regiment having all these characters is pretty good from a story standpoint, range of people with different ideas and motivations allows daft shit to happen, like in reality.Unfortunately that aspect peaked in the first game, you can see it being stretched very thin with 4.
>>745203061>>745202871I know there is this historic-anthropological theory about Asian societies being the way they are partially because they were late to the enlightenment and revolutions of modern age, then societal development was cut short due to having to interact with Europe and America. In western society we put our monarchs to the guillotine then had a long talk about what do we want as a society. Japan never had this moment. The same families rule Japan since the Tokugawa era and no large scale upheaval came besides the US interfering and alienating the common folk even more from politics. To the Japanese, rules come from a distant somebody else and are to be followed because it has always been that way. You can find this defeatism whenever you see them talk about politics; They never seem to include themselves as a transforming agent of their own society.
>>745195919It all hearkens back to the days of kabuki theater.
>>745195919Maybe the real Alien is you
>>745207512I believe that humanism, renaissance, baroque, classicism made us this way. Eastern Europe got invaded by Turks and skipped these important cultural stages. That's why they seem backwards and stuck between East and West. Far Easterners had this Confucian hubris how society peaked in 300BC and called it a day. Sure, they had some religious achievements, but their development was rather slow. Japanese written history began in 4th century, by the time Rome was on its way out. Even the Pagan Roman emperors started experimenting with state religion with themselves as heads of religion. Thankfully the Christianity separated patriarchs from emperors. Asians went in that direction, declaring their rulers to be divine, literal Bronze Age mentality. It's hard to separate the religion from the dynasty, and their religions were so vague it was hard to separate religion from the legal system.East Asia was very urban compared to Europe where we had hundreds of micro states before the 17th century. Ireland had kings with realms smaller than a video game map. Eastern Euros had huge percentage of population as nobles (Japanese had too many samurai as well, burden on society). Europeans always liked experimenting with society. Why have rules for who can be the emperor? If you make enough people support you, you're the emperor. Why not split the empire with your son? Why not have nobles elect kings and emperors? This feudal thing isn't working, let's be ruled by the archbishop instead. Let's try having a republic. Nah, let's try a signoria. I have an idea: let's have a peasant republic with no army or infrastructure. How about our president becomes the king? Let's hire a foreigner to run our republic. Oh, shit, we're having a revolution. Better invent a dual monarchy where one guy rules two separate countries, but not really, but actually yes.
>>745196295Chaos;Child VN is the best science adventure entry by a long shot because they contracted a screenwriter for it that only wrote screenplays for movies, tv and now some anime, rezero included. He never wrote a scenario for a game/vn
>>745196153
Brown people thread
I really love the way Anime filters low IQ individuals with no sincerity or whimsy
>>745209436Anime bullshit overreacting is the exact opposite of sincerity. People feel total apathy most of the time.
Embarrassing thread. No wonder this board is so dead
And don't make me start with the usual wall of text of irrelevant shit. You suck.
SEAgroids have arrived
>>745206529hmmmm pita
>>745204801Big asses are made for raw anal creampies, followed by loud messy cum farts.
>>745210031SEAgroids eat this shit up dog, they don't read (obviously) so no point of reference for writing, then again I'm not sure who you're trying to reply to
>>745195919play VK3 it's the only good game in the series that respects the player's intilligence
>>745198006good i don't argue with pedos
>>745211665Show this post to your father.
>>745212440Don't make me link Leila's squadmate mission.
>>745200643Released a year later as Strike Witches, if it had as good as a format/story if would have been even bigger but all it had was the style and character artist. Missing some ingredients for the omelette chef.
>>745197383Seething bug
>>745197383based
>>745197383I think a defining trait of medieval Europe was a lack of standardisation.I don't think they had a single script, even though Blackscript was the most favored, they had many dialects, units of measurement, the same weapons had different names or no names at all. The only standard was religion but even then I have some doubts about how they practiced it.
>>745212719she is fully aware of her retarded actions and during serious times she reacts like normalif she was in VK1 or 2 she'd be like that idol whore completeltly delusional beliveing she is a good singer
>>745195919nie zesraj się
Aliasse bump!
>>745195919What is "good" writing?
>>745213375You are on crack mate, that mission has her ordering imperials around because her quirky trait is to be some sort of dominatrix character, which isn't subtle enough so they also gave her a whip. When what would respect my intelligence is her instantly getting shot for it.
>>745215606The Last Of Us.
>>745195919I think you just have a very low ability to think.Think of the funny cognizance test they do to see if criminals are able to stand trial. Simple hypothetical "what would you feel if you did x?" questions. People with extremely low IQ take these questions literally and get confused and say, "but I didn't."You can apply this to real information based on a person's ability to understand it.Let's say, hypothetically, that you didn't know about atom theory. Electrons. Protons. Whatever. If I told you that nothing ever really touches anything and it's in-fact just some electrical magnetic force that repels other objects. If you couldn't see it with your eyes, and you had no logical frame of reference for this and no base of information, you would just call this stupid and reject it.That's you, playing a very ridiculous game. You receive the information, and you're too busy processing it like "does this make sense, does it logically align with my world view?" and spouting off that it doesn't.TL;DR: Anon gets filtered by Alice in Wonderland and Lord of the Rings and goes on a rant about how Brits make up all sorts of stupid bullshit.
>>745216821Wrong. Alice in wonderland was zany specifically because that was the entire point. Nonsense for the sake of nonsense. And the Lord of the Rings, despite having fantastical elements abound, is grounded in related, making it relatable. What happened to the Shire at the end of the book again, can you remind me?In no universe does it make sense to be blowing away humans with tanks and rifles one second and act like you're on a sesame street soundstage the next. You can like it. That's fine. But this shit is fucking stupid.
>>745196295There is no "anime style". Anime is not a specific style or genre, it's just the Japanese word for cartoons.
>>745195919This is a game, a great one on top of that. If you want real war, go to Ukraine or Russia!
>>745195919I agree that Valkyria Chronicles has unbelievably godawful writing, but I don't really see that as a Japan thing. Videogames in general are just fucking embarrassingly bad at writing, 99.9% of games developed in the West have the exact same problem. It's kind of weird that the standard of quality in the medium is so low, but it's something you notice no matter where the games seem to be developed.
>>745196053No-one who's actually played them for more than a couple of hours would say this
>>745196295people who say this will watch the anime equivalent of big bang theory or an MCU movie and base their entire opinion on those two or three data points. It's fucking embarrassing, it's like if a Japanese person were to watch Boss Baby and assume that all western media is just Boss Baby and write it off as trash. It's honestly fucking hilarious how brazen they are about being so blatantly retarded and ignorant in public.
>>745217315>Tell Anon that he's low IQ because the constant need to rationalize everything shows that he's incapable of taking in new information>His first instinct is to start rationalizing what I said to avoid absorbing any of this informationYep.>Alice in Wonderland is supposed to be nonsensicalSo, you're a massive hypocrite who has double standards.>Lord of the Rings is grounded in related and is relatableThis is just a big ESL sandwich. Which I guess I should have been tipped off to from the start. Barely knowing English means you've barely dipped your toes into fiction. Fantasy. Etcetera. People like you are on /v/ all the fucking time, so don't feel bad about it.>Remind me what happens at the end of LOTRI don't fucking know. Fuck off. You really are fucking stupid if you're pulling a knowledge check on some shit that doesn't matter.>In no universe does doing y after x make senseWhy not? Do you think that everything should only be one clear-cut genre or mood? Do you think everything needs to follow a strict, rigid logic and progression?
Embarrassing thread. >I PLAYED THE JAPANESE GAME AND GOT JAPANESE STORYLet's just get it out the way and you say the only good anime is Cowboy Bebop. Just fucking get it off your chest
>>745218219It's obviously an autocorrect typo. "Grounded in reality making it relatable.".What's that about being obtuse?My point stands. The game isn't zany for the sake of it. It expects you to take elements of its plot seriously. It can't do so while having flying pigs and adults that act like children.
>>745195919OP got filtered and will never experience the plot about killing black ops Jewish supremacists in 3.
>>745195919Fuck off, you know nothing about being human, retarded mongoloid
>>745217315>What happened to the Shire at the end of the book again, can you remind me?The Hobbits get culturally enriched by refugees fleeing war.
>>745218475Amazing final boss that you should take seriously in that one too by the way, dude is as strong as previous game artificial Valkyria final bosses without any of that because he just simply that based.
>>745195919I like how the instant the flying pig shows up, the plot goes full retard.
Uh-oh, weeb defense force woke up.
>>745195919>WHERE ARE DA QUIRKY QUIPS!?>WHERE ARE DA SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS!?>WHERE ARE DA GIRLBOSSES!?
>>745219795Japan had girlboss characters looooong before they took over Western media. And modern Japanese media is obsessed with subverting expectations.
>>745217352They'll never get this.
>>745219896Ugly = girlbossHot = not girlboss
>>745219795Didn't ask for any of that.Just for no flying pigs. And for adults that can act like adults. And I'm not even asking for that in every week game. Literally just one would be cool.Western games have varsity. You wanna find some saccharine childish bullshit like this made by the west? You can find it. Right beside shit that isn't that. Why can't japs make an animated game that doesn't act like a cartoon?
>>745219795>quips>subverting expectations>girlbossValkyria Chronicles literally has all of that.
>>745217573It's Sturgeon's law
>>745220029It's an anime game. It's made for children.
>>745219795lol man I hope you are just falseflagging because this is beyond retarded way to try to defend this game considering what it does
>>745220093Being made for children doesn't excuse shit writing
>>745219989No, a girlboss is when every male character around her is either evil or retarded
>>745220090yes, exactly. It's just weird because people will play a Japanese game and assume it's representative of all Japanese games when the truth is just that 95% of everything is shit whether it's Japanese or not
>>745220093Anime itself has four different categories for each demographic.You've got shonen, which is the stuff for boys.Shojo, which is for girls.Seinen, which is for adult men.And Josei, which is for adult women.
>>745220241If 95% is shit, then by definition, it's not shit, it's just normal. Shit means below average.
>>745195919The Valkyria are the worst part of Valkyria Chronicles, prove me wrong
>>745219795Baiting isn’t about quality of the hair anymore and is just about throwing it to three eyed Springfieldian trout because they’re retarded enough to bite. Every. Time.
>>745220372no, shit means bad
>>745218414>not the Big Oidiot chud
>>745196628The other problem is the anime industry gets angry at popular things that finish. Death Note being the textbook example of a great anime that gets dragged down to average because it's twice as long as it needs to be.No. You MUST publish a 10 year forever shounen that loses its own plot by year 3 at the latest.
>>745220415>say some retarded shit>get called out on it>lol it was just baitUh huh
>>745195919i'm sorry there aren't enough marvel quips for you
>>745220372something can be incompetently made and fail at everything it's attempting to do and not be below average. badness doesn't have to be looked at in relative terms
>>745217825>it's like if a Japanese person were to watch Boss Baby and assume that all western media is just Boss Baby and write it off as trash.To be fair, this would be a reasonable decision to make regarding the parent culture of Boss Baby
>>745195919You'll be happy to know, then, that originally the Darcsen were going to be cat girls, until someone sobered up long enough to realize catgirl concentration camps were a bit tacky
>>745195919>I'm an npc pretend-mature faggot who can't appreciate fantasy or any type of creativity and thus I wish all media should be boring ass ugly fake realism like all sony movie games since they moved to CaliforniaThere, this is you.
>>745220673Japan loves quipsters. Their favorite superhero is Spider-Man.
>>745220673You know whatI would actually be down for one of the soldiers to speak entirely in modern film cliches and clips
>>745220708Right, but to me Boss Baby being a humungous piece of shit doesn't reflect on Scorsese or Villeneuve or Tarantino. If those guys are all shit it's because their own work sucks, it has nothing to do with Boss Baby.
>>745220760Nah it would've been better because people that don't like that sort of "anime" things wouldn't even try the game.Front facing presentation matters a lot, because I am sure there would be people who could at least enjoy VC2 don't even entertain the thought because they look at the cover and what the game mainly presents itself as and immediately writes it off as ~gay anime shit not like my good animes~
>>745220923Yeah but they also don't give a single fuck about superheroes in a broad sense, whether they're quippy or not. Superheroes are very much a western preoccupation.
>>745196815What about Zetsubou sensei?
>>745220584I’m not saying I was the one baiting, I was saying the person that all of you AND I were replying too, my clarification is so poor these days, apologies.
>>745221050>they also don't give a single fuck about superheroes in a broad senseWhat was the most popular manga of the last generation again?Even Naruto was influenced by Spider-Man.
>>745221050>SuperheroJaps sleep>Superhero, cursedJaps awake
>>745221050Give a superhero no powers (he has the strongest power), a cursed hand, and a katana that cuts the soul, though...
>>745221050This man has never watched shounen ever.
>>745221389Shonen are not superhero stories.
>>745220879Completely missing my point that this is literally every anime game though. I'm not asking for weeb games to suddenly become western. I'm asking for one single anime game that isn't this bullshit. Just one.A single one.
>>745221197>What was the most popular manga of the last generation again?One Piss? Idk why would you post MHA when the last season finale's ratings were ass, the producers dragged out the adaptation to a crawl in it's last leg and after the controversial ending all japs dropped that shit.
>>745221431>Good guy with super powers beyond imagining fights bad guy with super powers beyond imaginingNaruto not incorperating fetish masks doesn't make it not a super hero show. And if it wasn't at inception, it certainly was by Shitpooden
>>745221451Drakengard 3
>>745221629Superheroes and battle shonen have nothing in common beyond there being good guys and bad guys.Battle shonen don't deal with secret identities, balancing hero life with personal life, or social/political issues.
>>745221772>deal with secret identities... or social/political issues.Them not having two identities IS a social issue, and one of the many, many sources of cultural friction between younger Japanese people and Jap boomers though
>>745221197wow, you found one superhero work. next you're gonna tell me that Kpop is as popular in the US as it is in Korea because Gangnam Style was big
As someone who actually played the game, there's far worse with the story than just a surface level analysis. >hey, our government has been peddling a massive lie for generations with the darksens not being the literal devil, as the valkyrurs claimed>actually the valkyrurs were evil murderers and genocidal tyrants who blamed the darksens for all their crimes>but we have to keep up the lie and continue worshipping the valkyrurs because.... WE JUST HAVE TO, OKAY?>also, we should make peace with the empire that just tried to systematically murder all of us>no, we can't go on a rampaging war path and murder all of their politicians, we must be better men or somethingGod of War regularly gets shat on for this cuck behavior, why doesn't this game get the same treatment for being even more cucked?
>>745221389have you ever even watched a shounen anime before?
>>745222642>God of War regularly gets shat on for this cuck behavior, why doesn't this game get the same treatment for being even more cucked?Because it's a completely different character cast in the franchise? Goy of fag is a humiliation ritual of what used to be an iconic masculine character with 3-5 awesome games that came before following a storyline. Now it's an lgbtq franchise for trannies consuming snoy products..
>>745222642I think at least a bit of that is Japan getting a little uncomfortable with the idea of what should happen to the Axis-parallel in their purely hypothetical fictional setting with absolutely zero relation to historical events, that Japan is definitely not a part of.
>>745222917>Goy of fag is a humiliation ritual That's what I'm saying. Modern games are cucked with this mentality of "oh turn the other cheek, surely the evil murderer who killed your family will turn a new leaf and be a changed man" and we're supposed to be okay with it.
>>745222642This is the cause of the civil war in the 2nd game btw.
>>745200643the only sane post in this entire thread
>>745223414If you need to write a sequel to address storylines you introduced, you, as a writer, have fucking failed lol
>>745221197Oh look its the manga that outsiders love to use in social debates when talking about western/eastern animation. One Piece is the most popular manga btw.
>>745223847As someone who has played a Trails game, true.
>>745196295>Unlike America where the "good writers"Oh yeah those great writers who always deviate from the main theme of the tv show around season 4-5 and make everything a retarded forced family drama since the 80's + some forced faggotry inserted to comply with the jew diversity quota nigger you for real? This must be bait.
>>745195919written by boomers AND TRANSLATED BY TRANNIESI would argue that the later is the biggest issue here.
>>745224313The flying pig is a mistranslation?
>>745199465I remember that plane
>>745195919I’m still mad they “subverted expectations” by giving Alicia Valkyria powers and then deciding she should never use them ever. I wanted to have an overpowered super unit but nope.
>>745196012>>745195919Valkyria Chronicles jeremy thread
>>745195919you're black
>>745200870>a country full of autismosc'mon now
>>745208435This isn't /his/
>>745227863Every thread I enter is /his/.
>>745195919EHHHH!? Really?! Every game with anime art is written by aliens? At this rate...every game with anime art really will be written by aliens. *Gasps for no reason* I've made up my mind! I'll do my best!
>>745195919I think it's because the japanese are emotionally tone deaf. They don't really understand that when a game has a grave mood like a story retelling world war 2, it really undoes the gravity of the situation to suddenly have a flying pig. It's something you get used to watching anime but it's jarring to go from a story about two boys searching for the key to immortality after getting mutilated trying to resurrect their dead mother and OH suddenly everyone has giant heads and cartoon faces, they're waving their arms and legs, how silly. It's the old whoopee cushion at a funeral, we used to call it Asperger's syndrome when someone was unable to read the room, now it's everywhere.
>>745227908 jokes aside that was an interesting read, thanks anon I just think jap games will always have this kind of stuff in them. And well, that's okay, clearly many people dig this style of writing. It just takes some getting used to.
>>745195919The writing is so terrible it's actually insulting.And i get it's a video game and the story isn't supposed to be the main draw, but if that's the case why put it in there at all? That game has cut scenes non stop that you're clearly expected to sit through.
>>745196295>Japan doesnt have much of a film industryIt used to. From the late 40s to the late 90s Japans film industry was one of the best, up there with America and France.
>>745220216No>>745220029Sounds boring>>745220080Look at the boobs retard>>745220129Youre retarded>>745220415You too are retarded
>>745196716NTA but made in abyss might be one of the most atrocious things i've ever sat through. (And i was at least 40 when i saw it so i've seen plenty of stuff over the years).The only reason i didn't drop it is because i was tricked into it by a review by someone i (up to that point) really looked up to.
>>745228636>Nowhy? that's literally what a girlboss type character is
>>745197084>Sonny BoyI read about that>school children get sucked into another world and have to use their super powers to escape.It had a great soundtrack but you couldn't pay me to sit through ANOTHER fucking show about kids with super powers in an alternate dimension.
>>745196295The last good anime was Ping Pong. And that was 2014.It's one of the only animes with actual proper characterisation. You can count the total amount of those on one hand.
>>745195919VC3 is the only game worth playing in this shitty franchise.
>>745228482I think cringe character writing in Japanese games is something to be expected at this point. Same as American games having 40 year old men with stubble or manfaced fat racially ambiguous women as the protagonists. No exceptions.
>>745217352There's definitely a style of writing that is unique to anime. THere are anime tropes and cliches that are used non stop in that medium.It's what a lot of people call "brain rot".You'd have to be a complete idiot to not notice it.t. actual fan of some older, classic era anime.
>>745196295Near A tomato?
>>745199343whiter than you, muhamad
>>745195919Stop playing weebshit.
>>745228939*squish*
>>745228354Yeah, this. It's like, an inability to contain and focus comic relief to reasonable limits, or properly color their humor. You can have moments of levity in a serious story, but you can't have a serious story that has moments of seriousness in an otherwise pure comedy, and if you want more humor than that, you need to do something more nuanced with your humor. Almost no Japanese story I've encountered handles this correctly. About the only case where it works out is Disgaea, where there's a good mixture of deadpan acknowledgement that everything is ridiculous, and demons making light of brutality is kinda part of the mood setting. And even then, this only even sorta works because Disgaea from the outset makes it clear that utter absurdity is the point.
>>745228914YeahModern anime has become very self referential and contrived.Anime used to just be the medium chosen to tell a story, but now stuff sets out on the production level to BE an anime, whatever that means at the time.
>>745229884This is what happens when the media writers have grown up on the same media. OGs who invented manga were classically educated. Millennials can only rehash the media they grew up with.
>>745230009It's not all millenials, you have to remember that all forms of media are being gatekept hard. Anyone who wants to tell a unique and interesting story isn't going to be able to do it through traditional channels because if it's not a reboot, rehash or gay propaganda then it doesn't get made. It's not millennials doing that, it's their masters making that policy.
>>745229884That's not a problem, that's literally how storytelling has always worked. People are influenced by the stories they grew up hearing.
>>745230726Nta, It's indicative of low quality trash. If I'm going to make an anime and I think to myself, I'm going to copy FMA, FLCL, LOTGH and Inuyasha it's going to come out as cookie cutter trash because I'm making an anime for the sake of making an anime rather than making an anime for the sake of telling a story.
>>745230874Literally everything ever made is inspired by something that came before it.
>>745228701Like I stated already hot = not girlboss
>>745228914>There's definitely a style of writing that is unique to anime.No there fucking isn'tThe earliest "anime" were heavily influenced by western animation, and that western influence is still present to this day.And with how globalized the world has become, you also have western works inspired and influenced by anime.
>>745230874"Cookie cutter" is not a criticism, things become cookie cutter for a reason.
>>745231638Yeah, ease of use, everyone is already used to it.
>>745231472Girlboss has nothing to do with how attractive the character, it's being an obnoxious cunt, or other characters being dragged down to make them look better
>>745196295Trvth nvke. Nobody has a logical response to this. Any time this is pointed out people start a west vs. east war and start naming the most contrived, dogshit examples of western media to prove a nonexistent point.Anime isn't bad as a rule. But anime has nosedived in quality these last couple decades and no longer has soul. It's the same low effort, low sentience, low IQ garbage that capeslop is for westerners. Anime and tangentially anime-related things used to be very good. They just aren't anymore. Hell, people complain about "woke" shit all the time meanwhile Japan is just as fucking pozzed as the west.
>>745231681No, it's because it works. Trying to reinvent the wheel is fucking retarded when there's already a proven method that works. You take what works, and put your own spin on it.
>>745231771When things drop on quality, people stop spending money on them. This is especially true now with the recession we've been in since 2008.Anime hasn't stopped making money. So the quality clearly hasn't dropped. If it did, people would be spending their money elsewhere.
>>745231883>Anime hasn't stopped making money. So the quality clearly hasn't dropped. If it did, people would be spending their money elsewhere>It's popular therefore it must be goodReminder Solo Leveling won anime of the year
>>745231883>sales/profit number high = good productExtremely flawed logic.
>>745228636lmao the audacity of calling anyone retarded when you are a clear drooling mongoloid who opened your argument with a green text failure of a strawman stating 3 things this game has as if it didn't, with included basedjak image to boot.
I tried watching anime besides DBZ. They simply weren't good.
>>745232003Solo Leveling is not an anime. Gooks made it, not Japs
>>745231638>>745231459database consumers
What are well-written media or what counts as one then? Are there any criteria for something to be considered well-written? I read some classics like Don Quixote or Metamorphosis but I didn't really understand what makes them great and so revered compared to other media.
>>745232003>Reminder Solo Leveling won anime of the year>Crunchyroll ameritranny awards>Blatantly botted so hard even pirate sites got floodedYou lost and that is why Solo Shilling the gacha is dying hard lol fucking embarassing
>>745199663nah its garbage
>Hurr durr your complaining that the Japanese game is too Japanese Nigga the problem with Valkyria Chronicles is that game presents itself as serious military drama that's supposed to depict the horrors of war but keeps shooting it's self in the foot with all the shonen slice of life bullshit. Even the "dark" moments are relatively tame compared to normie tier WW2 media like Saving Private Ryan and Call of Duty. Japs cannot write a serious war story unless it involves robots because they got peepee slapped during WW2 and because of that are very adverse to anything related to military conflict.
>>745232493With the classics in particular, it's that they're deeply emotionally moving to a vast amount of people. People describe Don Quixote as life changing because of their personal experience with it, whereas in many cases people will just parrot what others have said about it to conform to their peers. I had that with Moby Dick, people derive all sorts of meaning from it but it completely went over my head.
>>745234509I think VC1 had an ok balance, all the other games went too far however. Only reason I know is cause I like the gameplay enough to go through them all.
>>745235108Compared to the sequels VC1 is relatively restrained and usually tries to take itself somewhat seriously. It's just feels so watered down in order to capture the Japanese audience. Imagine a VC game with the aesthetics and tone of World at War.>Burning people alive with flamethrowers >Enemies launch kamikaze attacks against you>Giblets fly around all over the battlefield
>>745232493First and foremost comes respect for complexity, no deus ex machina, no simplistic good versus evil devoid of nuance. The Metamorphosis works through subtraction, there is a precise vision designed to make you feel the absurdity and dehumanization caused by bureaucracy. However, it isn't just about emotion, literary criticism studies how that emotion is constructed. Otherwise, a mediocre work that relies on emotional manipulation (like the "sacrificial lamb" trope: killing off a flawless character solely to make the audience cry) would hold the same artistic value
>>745234698I see, I see. I guess then I just need to find a classic or piece of media that resonate with me, since so far nothing really made me feel as emotional as LobCorp or some songs that I relate a lot. In case of Don, overall I enjoyed it but I disliked the second half of the book since Quixote turns into background character while story focuses more on all of the side characters Don and Sancho met along the way which annoyed me because I wanted to see more of Don's adventures and I thought it would show more of a tragedy of a man who dared to have a dream.>>745235765I understand but how complex one work needs to be to be considered well written? Is it matter of personal/public opinion or is there actually some criteria?
>>745236483I don't think it's a unanimous criterion, even the most acclaimed masterpieces receive severe criticism from other critics. Sometimes criticism broadens the discussion rather than dismantling the work, there is never a single, definitive answer. In my view, excellent works in modern media do not lack quality, but rather dedicated critical literature (essays on the subject, etc.)
>>745196295The thing is, they do consider it a good writing. Expressionist style in cinema and TV is just popular in Japan, Korea and China. The only comparable western thing is probably German expressionism in cinema in 20s-30s.
Wow.So many people in this thread are filtered out by Japan.The answer to OP is JAPAN IS DIFFERENT FORM THE WEST.The way JAPANESE PEOPLE EVEN -THINK- IS COMPLETELY ALIEN TO THE WEST.If you took an actual japanese person and asked them to divulge in English what's happening in their mind, you would call them schizo each and every time.
>>745237423I agree, opinions of different people(critics in this case) on one work can clash with each other and further discussion can open the way for new interpretations and/or opinions about discussed work.
>>745232190Dragon Ball is a horrible anime. Bottom tier of entertainment.
can't you tell just by looking at it it wasn't made for white people? Expressing white guilt and saying sorry to blacks and women doesn't make a story good
>>745195919you just don't understand the perspective of Asians
>>745195919>The 12 year old child is actually a 3000 year old demon that teaches you the lost secret art of sword sucking. But it's only revealed through great tragedy that she was actually an angel all along.
>>745238267this is a real problem. a growing number of people who have been globalized online think japan thinks like them.this isn't how the baby boomers handled japan. the baby boomers knew Japan was different and respected their differences.This current society screams at anything and anyone for being Different.
>>745237921Does Valkyria Chronicles also have a hidden game?
>>745238762all japanese games do.
>>745238901Right, it comes from that different Japanese mindset.
>>745238931actually it comes from a decision japan made in the 80's with the Famicom. The famicom having 2 discs was a hint at there being a second game.I don't know how far back it goes, but eventually we'll know once it goes public.
>>745195919Im sorry nobody was getting fucked by a black bvll in the japanese ww2 game. Instead of flying pigs we should have had this kino. This is what gamers want, step up your game fucking japs
>>745242187Swedish game
>>745242187
>>745242385>xitter screenshot from a niggaNot helping your case at all
>>745242441My case doesn't need to be helped, I don't jump into threads sperging out over "black bvlls" unprompted because someone didn't like THING that means they automatically like the most vile other shit no else is talking about or advocating for.
>>745197208It's just so tiresome. Should I really give a shit every time some retard says something incorrect?
>>745197208Because they're right and the only way to try to defend it is saying>yeah but thats how japanese games are man, now go play your woke western games
>>745195919There's a lot of things people make fun of VC's writing for, but really? "Tank crew rescues a heavily pregnant woman and she ends up going into labor while still onboard" is what we're going with this time?
>>745196487>people say "EHHHH??" when they're confusedYou don't?
>>745195919I call this the "you just couldnt fucking help yourself" issue, it plagues all japanese media its so tiring to start a game or anime and its relatively grounded then all the weird shit starts happening and tired tropes and crazy characters with the annoying facial animations. I just semi dropped VC4 because the bosses were ruining things, was hoping VC1 was better.
Wow, this entire thread is just idiots who don't watch or play western or eastern stuff arguing with each other over literally nothing
>>745245538As opposed to the other threads on this board that are currently solving world hunger.
>>745195919maybe you're the one who isn't normal desu
>>745244621Yeah this needed to be the 49549569th thread on the game's ranking system instead.
