>Vanilla Oblivion > Vanilla Morrowind > Vanilla Skyrim>Modded Skyrim > Modded Morrowind > Modded Oblivion
>>745204668>By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!>It's the correct opinion!
>>745204668>placing skyrim anywhere but on the first spot Ngmi teannty
I've never understood people who need to mod Oblivion in order to play it. HUD mods yeah, I understand, but the model "overhaul" mods for it are so fucking ugly. Like 50% of the videos about this game on Youtube are using some form of those.I for one like the look of the potato-people that make up Cyrodiil.
>>745204668morrowind > oblivion > skyrim
Vanilla Skyrim is honestly shockingly bad for a studio of that size and I'm kind of amazed it blew up with normalfags the way that it did. I think the original trailer becoming a meme right when internet memes started entering normalfag consciousness really was a major factor. Modded Skyrim is indeed incredible though.
The only people that even remotely care about Oblivion are the minority that were 10 when they first played it and it's hilarious how some anons still try to unironically pass it off as a good game.
>>745205929Mindbroken.
>>745205717biggest issues with vanilla oblivion are:>thievery is pointless, 99% of household objects are worth less than ten gold>stealth damage multiplier is a joke>scaled loot means doing ANY quest before hitting max level means you are punishing yourself with shit rewards.>level-scaled enemies fuck you if you decided to be a stealth class (good luck with kvatch and its two dozen daedroths)also the classic gripe>endgame looks retarded when every tavern and bandit cave is filled with enemies in full glass or daedric like its on sale
>>745205929Then if I tell you I was 27 when I played it the first time you'll just call me a retard. Why don't you go seethe somewhere else Morrowtranny?
>>745204668>Modded Skyrim > Modded Morrowind > Modded OblivionWhy did you reverse it?
>>745206036Oblivion anons are, ye.
>>745205843desu the first 50 or so hours of skyrim are amazing the first time you play (specially if you have never played another elder scrolls game before, like the majority of people who played skyrim). After that you start realizing how repetitive and boring it is
>>745204668>Vanilla Morrowind > Vanilla Skyrim > Vanilla Oblivionmodded list is finemorrowind barely needs mods, tamriel rebuilt is extremely high-quality, but it is not necessary for the first 3-4 playthroughsoblivion is poop from a butt no matter how many sprinkles you put on it
>>745204668yeah, imma stop you right there criminal scum. oblivion is worthless without mods
>>745206146Have you ever tried modding Oblivion? It's a shitshow.
>>745205843Yeah what >>745206169 said, you basically get a full game's worth of time where you're enjoying it, but after that the systems start to break down and you start to realize more and more about what's wrong with it. The mods fix a lot of that but the vanilla game is pretty ass after a certain point.
>>745205929>if i post it for the 99th time again then surely it will become a reality
>>745204668At least throw in some compatibility patches etc
>>745206678this is exactly what happened to me on my 2nd playthroughthat being said, the mods do really save it in a way
>>745206101>endgame looks retarded when every tavern and bandit cave is filled with enemies in full glass or daedric like its on saleHonestly this is the one game where i dont really mind seing avarage Bandits with daedra equipment since the whole Daedra Invasion is happeningGlass is a bit of a stretch but i can justify it the same way
>>745204668oblivion had the best mods but back in the day you had to be able to be able to navigate japanese blogs to download them
>>745206101>scaled loot means doing ANY quest before hitting max level means you are punishing yourself with shit rewards.Not really, you'll be leveling up as you do quests so the next reward will be better. Waiting until max reward to do the quests is min-maxing shit as retarded as the classic "I have to make myself into a monster with alchemy before starting the Morrowind MQ".>endgame looks retarded when every tavern and bandit cave is filled with enemies in full glass or daedric like its on saleLie. Only the boss will have glass/daedric, and only a few pieces, not the entire set.
>>745206158sorry pal ywnbaw
>>745204668playing obliv without MMM and OOO is kinda not fun
Whats the odds of skyblivion releasing this year. Oblivion remastered was ok, but the unreal engine bloat really sucks.
>>745207560This doesn't look like it's the same time of day and weather, you silly billy
>>745209495Skyblivion honestly doesn't do anything to me idk, it just feels like weird mashed blob of 2 different styles, games and game designs to fit.
>>745209495>Whats the odds of skyblivion releasing this year.lollmao evenliterally been at >almost finished, just some more navmeshing bro I swear!for like 3 fucking years
>>745204668Yeah, no lmao Oblivion is easily the worst of the Todd Trilogy.
Morrowind = Skyrim > ESO > Oblivion > Daggerfall > Arena Anyone who disagrees is a LARPer or just doesn't really like RPGs and is just in it for the Xbox dude ordering pizza vibe.
>>745210656only actual larpers put Morrowind anywhere above the 2nd spot for gamer cred..
>>745210696Morrowind is literally the best game in the series by a longggggg fucking shot
>>745210398>literally been at 'almost finished, just some more navmeshing bro I swear!' for like 3 fucking yearsBut that is patently false, given it was literally said 3 years ago, in 2023, when they announced their late '25 release date? Which they fucked up, but that's still a one year fuck-up, not a three year one. Why don't you subhumans ever know what you're talking about, as if the facts can't be looked up in less than five minutes?
>>745210398Dont worry it'll be canceled when tes6 comes put just like every large expansion mod. The only reason tamriel rebuilt is still going is because of troops, autism, and patreon
>>745210696Im more scared at the norrowind=skyrim. That shit is wild to say they are the same fun.
>>745210656I can't stand marrowind and skyrim. The locations not the games.
>>745210745are you the lead, faggot? why are you so sensitive. i was obviously being hyperbolic, you autistic retard.
>>745210803They are the same level of fun. What Skyrim is missing in RPG that Morrowind has, it makes up for it with modding. And even vanilla Skyrim is a great game. Better than Oblivion.
>>745210867No, but I am someone that checks shit out instead of trusting what random retards online spout>i was obviously being hyperbolicAhh there it is, the good old "I was just pretending to be retarded" and "I don't know what the word 'literally' means because I'm 17". It's fine, you can keep sperging, I'll accept the concession.
>>745211224ironic that you call me retarded for misusing literally when you think that hyperbolic = trolling, or whatever the fuck you're trying to ham-fistedly implypseudointellectual gay cunt. kys
I LOVE closing oblivion gates!Fuck the daedra!Fuck the Atronachs!Fuck Mankar Camoran!Fuck Mehrune Dagon!R.I.P. Martin, bro...
>>745204668Based, literally unmatched
>>745204668wow, this is the first time I've seen OP post an actually good take on /v/ in a while
>>745206551SOVL
>>745206101>punishing yourself with shit rewardwhat the fuck does this even mean? you get rewards from quests to do more quests, so wouldn't you run out of stuff to do by the time you retrieve your rewards using your logic?and then you go on to complain about using a stealth class, which leads me to believe you're entirely just mad because bad
>>745204668 Only the strange destiny of Uriel Septim could have made such a good thread
>>745210780>just like every large expansion modYeah just like like Beyond Reach, Lordbound, Wheels of Lull, Wyrmstooth, Midwood Isle, Siege at Icemoth, Grey Cowl of Nocturnal, Enderal, Moonpath to Elsweyr, Warden of the Coast, Northpoint and shitloads of others. We all know TR was cancelled when Oblivion and Skyrim came out, or how the latter's modding community fractured once Fallout 4 and Starfield released oh wait
>>745211051lolLMAO
>>745207786If a bunch of cave dwelling bandits can beat up daedra to steal their armors and weapons then the invasion would be a joke and there would be no need for panic
it's clear who the zoomers are in this thread
>>745204668Nobody cares about Oblivion, anon. There's a reason it didn't develop either a lore or modding community unlike both its predecessor and successor.
>>745209793it literally is
>>745212464>Current Morrowind players: 338Hmmm.....
>>745212419They dont have to beat a daedra themself to loot their shit they could just stumble across a corpse of a deadra after 10 or so imperial soldiers died taking it down and steal all the loot
>>745211051This isnt even bait, this might just be genuine retardation.
>>745212419Anon, the city guards can fight daedra and close Oblivion gates, why wouldn't bandits be able to do the same to some of the dremora that come out of them.
>>745212464Who the fuck plays the steam verison of Oblivion? I still got my disk copy from 2010
>>745204668Oblivion remaster >>>>> all the other ones
>>745212451yep the morrowind glaze is pretty fun to see, ever since we stopped having comfy Oblivion threads and laughing at Morrowtroons addicted to HRT
I love all three. give me TES 6.
>>745204668my oblivion installation with my big titty character stop working today :(
>>745213864surely this must be baitoblivion remastered is a complete fucking monstrosity compared to the original
>>745214089rip
>>745214265by being better?
>>745206101holy shit you suck at games. go watch a movie or something instead
>>745212464LOL
>>745204668It's more like:>Modded Skyrim > Modded Morrowind > Vanilla Morrowind > Modded Oblivion > Vanilla Skyrim > Vanilla Oblivion
>>745204668I’m more of a chocolate Skyrim type of guy but I do like cookie dough Oblivion.
>>745207805Is this mod still available?
Oblivion is slightly better than Skyrim simply because it had more depth and soul. Dark brotherhood, thieves Guild, and shimmering isles for exampleHowever as a work of art, Morrowind is in a league of its own. Admittedly it might have the worst gameplay tho
>>745212194TR absolutely fractured and died with Oblivion and Skyrim you absolute nog. It only survived so long becuase of new modders coming into the fray in recent years becuase they haven't produced anything new for TES since Skyrim.>b-but Fallout 4 and SaarfieldNobody cares about that dog shit and they are, for the most part, two different modding communities with some overlap. They don't affect TES modding.
>>745215036>Morrowind>work of artholy peanut brain
Is there any good mod for Oblivion that's like a Morrowloot equivalent?
>>745207805>All in one v3 is goneThose Japanese mods were crazy. Hentai Mania that other mod that makes sneakers invisible + the rape mod was an incredibly wild ride. Other hentai games cannot compete with the degeneracy you can shove into Oblivion with Japanese mods. Zerg Kerrigan wearing pink striped panties is peak.
>>745215150hot
>>745214391kek
>oblivosharts defending their dogshit gameOblivion is great, as long as you don't know any of the mechanics going on underneath the hood and you go pass level 10.
>>745216486>it's a fun game if you aren't a wiki abusing fagwao
>>745216486brainlet
>>745204668Modded Daggerfall >>>>>>>>>>>
>>745214507not even close
>>745204668Oblivion = Skyrim > Morrowind This is the correct opinionOblivion has the best art direction and DLCs but Skyrim has the best mechanics and storyChoosing one over the other is just incorrect
>>745218524>Skyrim>storylol
>>745204668>Oblivion>better than anythingLMAO
>>745213782Who the fuck plays a 2010 disk copy of a PC game compared to Steam?
Need a mod to fix the >dungeons, at least some of them>repeating oblivion gates>lack of any hand-placed cool loot>insane level scaling>backports Oblivion remake unique voices for each race to the OG game
>>745218524>Skyrim has the best mechanics and storyskyrim has none of that. and even less
>>745212154many quest rewards are have different stats depending on your level when you complete the quests.if you complete a quest at level 5 you get the weakest version of a unique item, if you complete it at level 10, you get the very same item, but with way better damag/defense stats or some unique trait attached to it.many unique item quest rewards max out at player level 30 so doing completing those quests it at any point prior to that means you get a noticably weaker version of the same item reward.
>>745207560did they piss filter the entire game or is it just a different weather setting?
>>745219457>oblivion gatesi remember playing olbivion in 2017 for the first time ever and after doing like 4-5 gates i just noclipped through the rest of them to get it over with asap.that an absolute piece of shit dungeon system it was
>>745218524Surprisingly correct assessment in a /v/ thread.
>>745220102There's no mods that just add a bunch of new ones into the pool.There's also nothing that's just like "here's a bunch of unleveled loot thrown all over the game world, use it alongside whatever deleveling mod you want"
>>745204668Oblivion > Modded Daggerfall > Morrowind > Vanilla Daggerfall > Skyrim > Modded anything else
>>745220163don't samefag lil browe all know skyrimjob has an awful story, you won't gaslight anyone
>>745204668I cannot decide whether to play the remaster or the original
>>745210867>they've literally been done for 3 years!>it's been less than a year>I was being hyperbolic!kek
>>745220251He's wrong solely in that he states vanilla TES4 and 5 to be better than Morrowind. He's right in that Skyrim has a far better story than Oblivion. Sorry but nobody remembers or cares about the Mythic Dawn or Camoran or the Battle for Bruma, while the Great War, Thalmor, Paarthurnax Dilemma and the civil war are still talked about 15 years later.
>>745219939by level 30 you already have better loot than quests will give you anyway. No one has ever actually used top level Chillrend.
>>745204668Oblivitards are such copersMorrowind > Skyrim > OblivionModded Skyrim > Modded Morrowind >>>> Modded Oblivion
>>745220458Have you played both already?
>>745206146This is how I know you haven't modded these games.
>>745220650Oblivion has an alright but mostly nothing memorable main quest. Skyrim has nothing. All of those things you mentioned, it's memorable because of very basic "us vs them" writing. It does the job, but it's absolutely in the shadow of Oblivion's side questlines. Especially the guildsMW is also better than both, sorry
>>745220829I toyed around with Oblivion like 20 years ago and I was really critical of it, having loved Morrowind so much.
>>745204668nobody even plays morrowind. it's not even in the conversation lol
>>745206551>>745220878>uhhhh it's tricky to mod so it doesn't countlazy niggers
I think all of Bethesda's games are extremely overrated, but I will accept someone saying they really like Oblivion. Morrowind is nostalgiabaiting and hasn't aged well nor was it that good of a game when it came out. Skyrim is dogshit in every way. Oblivion has some major flaws but has the most soul out of all of them for sure. Best faction quests too.
>>745221483Good post except games don't age
>>745220965>Oblivion's narrative breaks the second you start thinking about what Morrowind set up with a sickly Uriel, or his heirs being daedric doppelgängers, or how convenient having Mark & Recall would've been to escape from his assassins. It's a game set in the heart of the Empire that supposedly revolves entirely around the politics of the Emperor's assassination and finding of his secret heir, yet the Elder Council do not play any role whatsoever so much so they don't even exist outside of Ocato. Skyrim set up the Great War, the Mede Empire, the Dominion, the Concordat, the Markarth Incident and everything about the Reachmen, Delphine v Paarthurnax, the Red Year and the Dunmer's refugee crisis, the Penitus Oculatus, the Synod and the College of Whispers, and shitloads other stuff people actually find interesting and have discussed for a decade and a half. People remember and talk about Bleak Falls Barrow and the Golden Claw, they remember climbing the Throat of the World and confronting that fucking frost troll, they remember infiltrating the Thalmor Embassy, they remember Alduin's Wall, they remember collecting an Elder Scroll from a Dwemer ruin then using it to go back in time, they remember Season Unending, they remember visiting Sovngarde. Skyrim's main quest is genuinely memorable, moreso than Oblivion's, Fallout 3's, Fallout 4's and Starfield's.>MW is also better than both, sorryI mean I said as much, yeah.
>>745221001One of the things I liked about the Remaster, is that rendering distances are far far better. I was getting frustrated playing OG Oblivion and seeing farmsteads emerge from the ether like 5ft in front of me. And since level scaling is atrocious in Oblivion, that you can individually adjust player and enemy damage separately in the Remaster. But the Remaster is still somewhat poorly optimized, so if you're particularly sensitive to texture load-ins or occasional frame-rate drops, you should just wait 'til it's patched. People thought the Remaster was abandoned for some time, but Bethesda just said recently that they'll be bringing in some fixes in... who knows when, but at least they'll be doing it at some point confirmed.Some say the OG has more soul, especially with the menu design and color palette (bloom), also some of the Remaster faces make some of the characters look like drunks and druggies, which is unfortunate. But besides that the Remaster is very pretty imoBecause you played Oblivion 20 years ago, it'll probably still feel quite fresh if you just hop onto the original. I actually preferred playing the Remaster because of the two aforementioned tweaks and because I was constantly stopping to take in the nature and the mountains, which look spectacular in the Remaster. But the OG is also significantly cheaper. If the price doesn't bother you and you don't feel like playing both back-to-back (reasonable, because it's essentially still the same game) then I'd just suggest the Remaster because it'll be an entirely new way of experiencing Oblivion/completely fresh to you.
I love the gay sex addons for Ostim!
>>745221571Good games don't, but some games still do. 24 years ago Morrowind's combat was... tolerable. Maybe it's just because I was a teenager when I played it then. But today trying to play that shit is awful. Genuinely horrendous combat by every metric. Not that Oblivion's is that much better but it is absolutely serviceable.
>>745221256It's not just worse to mod (which is true), the mods themselves don't hold a candle to Skyrim's and Morrowind's mods.
>>745221770>ut the Remaster is still somewhat poorly optimized, so if you're particularly sensitive to texture load-ins or occasional frame-rate drops, you should just wait 'til it's patchedAnon it's been a year and a half and they have completely dropped the game. It's never going to get patched. It probably can't because it's just running the original game/engine in a UE5 wrapper, so to fix it would necessitate deconstructing the original game and fixing its problems too. Which I doubt anyone is around to do anymore at Bethesda (who didn't even make the remake)
>>745221804I can't take you seriously if you genuinely praise one of modern trilogy's combat over the other entries. They are legit all mediocre as fuckAnd no, mods don't fix shit
>>745221770>Some say the OG has more soul, especially with the menu designThat's what I liked about the original, the menu and being able to zoom way way way out. Love games that let me do that, Shiggeru's miniature garden concept. 3D diorama
>>745222019If you think I'm praising the combat of any of these games in my posts you either have the reading comprehension of an ESL toddler or you're just plain ole retarded.
>>745221923shut up tard, they had to focus on the Switch 2 port before they address bugs
>>745220767this except im not paying money for the overhaul mod pack to make skyrim good.
>>745221483>Morrowind is nostalgiabaiting and hasn't aged wellI just started playing it for the first time this month and it's already become my favorite of the three. It's just a casual filter for dumb niggers like you who hate the idea that you don't have a giant arrow telling you where you have to go or on the other side of the spectrum, low-T bluesky and r*ddit faggots who can't stand the tribalism, racism, slavery, and human trafficking in the game.>nor was it that good of a game when it came outIt won GotY and was one of Xbox's best selling games.>Skyrim is dogshit in every way8th best-selling game of all time, so clearly there's something about it people enjoy.>Oblivion has some major flaws but has the most soul out of all of them>The most generic game of them all>the most soulCope. Now I know who starts these shitty threads.
>>745221483>retard who doesnt know anything about the games think oblivion is the bestgo figure
>>745204668>oblivion beating anythingNice larp.
>>745222242Reread the post you stupid faggot. None of them deserve to be praised over the other is the point, which you did
>>745204668Is there ANY Wabbajack or mod that unfucks the level scaling in Oblivion ? It's the singular thing that makes it rate it as the lowest of the modern entries. Otherwise I think it has the best quests of the three, main quest excluded.
>>745221923They JUST said they were going to patch it despite a long stretch of silence. Did you even read what I wrote? As the other anon said, they were focusing on the Switch 2 port apparently (but they've probably also had their asses grilled by Asha as of late to get their shit together, hence the increase of communication as well)
>>745222270Paid mods are cancer anyway.
>>745222307>muh culture warMy distaste of Morrowind has nothing to do with handholding, quest markers, or anything you lebbit wojak posting brain has made up on the spot. If you'd like to discuss the merits of the game in good faith you can>the games are good because they sold wellLiteral normie brain tier response
Morrowind is pretty dogshit tbqh. Like, I have read some pèople here say it has the best fashion in rpg when the shitty game doesn't even have visible weapons when you sheat them
>>745222307I dont get why anyone hates on Morrowind. I could understand wanting more fluid animations for attacking or walking around, but that's about all Morrowind lacks.
>>745222431If you think they're going to fix the PC version you're out of your mind, and it also tells me you have no idea what the game is or how it's built and what it would take to fix it. I don't care if they said they're going to patch it. Virtuous does not have the people hired capable of going in and fixing CE's mess of a mess that lurks inside that game.I've screenshot your post just to remind you when the switch 2 version comes out and this patch doesn't fix anything. See you soon
>>745222427dont you just drag the difficulty bar down as you play
>>745222634man sit the fuck down, you're fucking retarded it's embarrassing
>>745222680doesn't that only make enemies less spong-y ? I want varied enemy distribution throughout the entire map
>>745222757>no argumentThat's what I thought.
>>745222569it also lacks good questsit also lacks good enemy aiit also lacks good progressionit also lacks meanignful stat progressit also lacks the world not being static as fuck with character not sleeping or sleeping ever, or stores being closed at nightI could continue
i love morrowind but if you defend the combat of that game you're a brain broken nigger
>>745222847I personally wouldn't complain about the enemy AI but the rest is true
>>745222491>muh culture warIt's not about "muh culture war", Bethesda devs themselves such as Bruce Nesmith said that "Morrowind does not stand the test of time" clearly in reference to its writing and themes. And if the discussion surrounding Skyrim's Civil War quest is one of many example showing how the newer fanbase is full of faggots. Skyrim multiplayer mod serves also insta-bans or jails anyone saying any disparaging things about another person's fucking fantasy race, even if you RP as a Thalmor or some shit.>muh wojakfirst time on 4chan?>has made up on the spotI'm simply throwing stuff out that may bother you bc I'm familiar with the common complaints, but I'll bite. What makes Morrowind worse than the other titles?>Literal normie brain tier responseThe games sell well because they provide an experience that was unmatched by their competition, and because they get good ratings and thus spread through positive word of mouth. It's as simple as that.But I suppose the wise thing to do instead is trust some random faggot's whining about how the game is actually bad on an anon forum? Anything for you not to call me a normie oh no
>>745222634>I'm just going to make shit up and complain about the shit I make upNobody cares kys
>>745204668>bloom>bloom everywhere
>>745220458original 100%
>>745222920they don't traspass doors and they get very stupidely stuck on rocks or any other obstacule that prevents them from reaching the player at melee
>>745222569People who tried it and found it "meh" usually dont bother talking about it, people who hate it have some emotional thing going on.Most likely IQ issue paired with personality issueie, dont understand X, therefore i hate it because games should only make me feel good and not require me to thinkSame with Dark SoulsSame with Majoras maskSame with Elden RingSame with RTS multiplayerPeople always hating on these games and when you get into the conversation you realize it comes down to them just being idiots.
>>745222847Most of that isn't true, or is true for all the Elder Scrolls games.
>>745222569i hate its community of larpers not the game
>>745223007>It's not about "muh culture warYes it is you dumb faggot. I criticize a game based on its merits and flaws and you go off on this 2016 election tourist tirade about bluesky and liberals. Nothing of what you said is of relevance to anything I said. >first time on 4chan?Retarded newfaggot.>What makes Morrowind worse than the other titles?Try actually reading my post retard.>The games sell well because they provide an experience that was unmatched by their competitionIncredible that instead of providing coherence you double down on ad populum as an argument. >But I suppose the wise thing to do instead is trust some random faggot's whining about how the game is actually bad on an anon forum?I never said the game was bad, retard. Saying it is overrated != saying it is bad. You have the IQ of a child.
>>745223408Community of larpers?
>people claiming skyrim mq was memorableexecution openingold farts + old fart dragon on mountain evil dragon at the endforgot everything else>oblivionemperor le dead openingfind martinjoin weeb blades on mountain while martin fucks around with the amulet or whateverkvatch at some pointmartin saccs himself to kill big demonoblivion wins out here just barely, side stuff in oblivion much more memorable than side stuff in skyrim
>>745222775You get that anyway. The game rolls a pool of monsters based on your level, but even late game monster pools will include weak monsters. The level scaling is a bogeyman.
>>745204668unironically yesall the mods are immersion breakingi think ordinator was the only thing that truly felt integrated
>>745204668M-Morrowind > V-Morrowind > M-Skyrim >>> M-Oblivion > V-Skyrim > V-Oblivion
>>745205565What's the point of playing Skyrim? What's the point of playing Oblivion "remastered"(ie. cucked edition)?The fun of all the TES games up until Skyrim came along was the autistic leveling
>>745223464yes normies who think they're elite above others just because they're playing old RPG that is okay but not really a masterpiece, though the worst thing is probably that good chunk of people who worship Morrowind never een played it
>>745222847>it also lacks good questsIt has the best writing in the game by far. Morrowind's main quest is probably the most interesting and well-written of the three modern titles.>it also lacks good enemy aiThat's true and that was a limitation of the time. Oblivion was the first one to experiment with proper AI and in that fact it did it well, even if it was often goofy and broken.>it also lacks good progressionIt has more satisfying progression than Oblivion since Oblivion has the most broken leveling system of them all. Whether it has more satisfying progression than Skyrim is debatable, but I think so because it's not shy to sprinkle high level enemies all over the world. So when you actually do come back to fight a particular enemy that bested you before, it feels satisfying. Meanwhile, with Skyrim, you can expect that just about everything scales with you.>it also lacks meanignful stat progressAgain disagree, but feel free to be more specific.>it also lacks the world not being static as fuckI'd lump that in with ai in generalThe main appeal of Morrowind is that it's writing/world-building is by far the best of them all. People play these RPG's primarily for the writing/world-building, so a lot of the more dated elements of the time are easy to forgive, especially if you can compartmentalize the game as being a product of the time and a game released literally 24 years ago. It's also why I wouldn't say Ocarina of Time is shit compared to Breath of the Wild because it also suffers from game design choices that feel dated today.
>>745223609>because they're playing old RPG that is okay but not really a masterpieceMorrowind is a masterpiece, and I dont think if they were playing something else you considered a masterpiece it would be any better
>>745223541After a certain point those mosters are no longer in the pool to be rolled. Goblin dungeons will just be warlords and shamans for example. Unless you enter a hardcoded dungeon with specific mobs assigned to it.
is the Oblivion Remake worth playing?
>>745223809>12 skillpoints flat, freely distributable regardless of major/minor skill development prior to levelling up>all the same goofy animations>many of the same bugs>same physicsIt is just a reskin with a dumbed down levelling system. Now if you didn't like the orignal levelling system, maybe it's worth it for you. But bear in mind, you'll never get that perfect 5/5/5 level, with that flat 12.
>>745223809its ok. they made some improvements with combat mechanics but 1 or two meta things having to deal with how certain stats affect mechanics is a little worse imo.
>>745223417>I criticize games based on merit!kys you obnoxious faggot>much 2016 touristYou're missing the entire point but go ahead and make shit up you whiny loser>Retarded newfaggot.I've been here since 2008>Try actually reading my post retard.You didn't state shit you illiterate monkey>Incredible that instead of providing coherence you double down on ad populum as an argument.Ah the kind of dissecting logical fallacies kek fuck off to r*ddit>I never said the game was bad, retard. Saying it is overrated != saying it is bad. You have the IQ of a child.You are saying it's not as good as people say it is, and given that it has the least players, least conversations, and lowest ratings of the three titles, it also, by extension, suggests that it's not a very good game or at least worst than Skyrim and Oblivion. That's the problem with making an argument based on your own unstated metrics you dumb faggot
>>745223809I have a far above average PC and it still runs like shit, so beware. Otherwise it's the exact same game with some minor (and dumb) changes. I think the visuals are quite nice for the most part, but it does rape the original's art style/aesthetic pretty bad if you care about that. I don't know why you'd play it over the original though, especially if you've never played the original. And if you have just mod the original.
>>745223809It's perfect on Switch 2, like you would never believe. It looks good, holds a 30fps, it's fully on the cartridge, has motion controls, mouse aiming, Oblivion on the go feels right. Only issue is really just the loading times seem a tad on the lengthy side.
>>745224116>holds a 30fps
>>745223809Look I'm no graphicsfags but it genuinely does a disservice to the original graphics, the original game's environments are so fucking pretty and a toaster can run it but now not only the game looks ugly as fuck there's a bunch of performance problems for some reason
>>745223780Because of how the lists are set up its hard to tell. I don't think anyone has compiled a good resource to verify whatCan and can't spawn, let alone cross referenced all the dungeons to account for the wierd exceptions and mistakes. I just know the lists cap at around level 20 and i still found rats and goblins occasionally.
>>745224116>30fps>first person with controllerI have nothing against the Switch, I like mine, but lol. Pirate it for PC if you must play the remaster
>>745221684Fugg, didn't mean to greentext the first part.
>>745224068>kys you obnoxious faggotThat's not an argument.>You're missing the entire point but go ahead and make shit up you whiny loserIrony. >I've been here since 2008Doubtful. >Ah the kind of dissecting logical fallacies kek fuck off to r*dditBeing logical is now lebbit. You seem to know a lot about that place. You sure think about it a lot. Might I suggest you go back?>suggests that it's not a very good game or at least worst than Skyrim and OblivionGenuine childlike logic, I'm impressed. You're retarded. And a newfaggot/summerfag trying to fit in.
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>>745222427Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul and Unique Loot Delevelled worked for me, I often found myself having to retreat from certain dungeons to come back later at a higher level and found plenty of great loot at early levels by chance on my last playthrough.
>>745221684>>745224398This is true. But my specific autism requires that obnoxious levelling system that Skyrim did away with. Overall you're still correct
>>745223464I get what he means.
>>745204668Vanilla Morrowind > Vanilla Skyrim > Vanilla OblivionModded Morrowind > Modded Skyrim > Modded Oblivion
>>745223745ok
>>745221923This. And it will always run like absolute garbage versus what you get, due to being UE
>>745224421>That's not an argument.Neither was yours.>Irony.Cope.>Doubtful.Don't care.>Being logical is now lebbit.The fact that you think you're being logical whilst dodging making an actual point is laughable.>You seem to know a lot about that place. You sure think about it a lot. Might I suggest you go back?Nice roast wow>Genuine childlike logic, I'm impressed. >malding about "muh ad populum" earlier like a midwit who just found Wikipedia's fallacy list>gets cornered on actual game metrics>panics, so the "king of fallacies" drops a textbook ad hominem, and tries to poison the well with summer buzzwords and literally zero refutation to player counts & ratings>trust me bro, my opinion is the right onekek and who's the child>desperately resorting to crying and calling an unc like me a newfag to save facekys
>>745223741Writing is not the same as quest design. One is the narrative; the other is how the game actually plays. It is a video game, after all.Even if you have good writing “reasons” for why you are doing something, the quests themselves are still basically “Okay, go get me this” or “Go talk to this guy and convince him to either give you an object or grant you permission to do something.” Yes, I know what you’re going to say: “B-but every RPG has quests like this!” The problem with Morrowind’s quests also lies in how static the game world is.Take the final Thieves Guild quest, for example. I genuinely thought we were going to go with the other Thieves Guild members and actually invade the rival guild as this epic conclusion to the entire questline. Instead, the quest literally consists of you walking into the guild, taunting Sjoring until he attacks you, and then killing him and his Orc lackey as if they were just some random NPCs.This game has some of the most epic premises imaginable and some of the most boring executions. That is the main problem with its quest design.Then you have fags defending this shit by saying, “B-BUT AT LEAST IT’S NOT SCRIPTED SLOP!” when scripted quests aren’t inherently bad, as long as they give you the freedom to make choices instead of making the game feel like a hallway leading you straight to the end of the quest.>It has more satisfying progression than Oblivion.I’m not comparing it only to other Elder Scrolls games. I’m talking about the game as a video game in its own right, and as an RPG. The game’s progression is really bad because of the enemies’ low level caps and how quickly you level up. On top of that, it’s incredibly easy for the player to unintentionally break the game, to the point where it feels like you’re cheating.
>>745220227>still no reply Grim
>>745223080>sovl>sovl everywhere
>>745224360joycon is a mouse, retard
>>7452237412/3The game lacks that “middle ground” that most RPGs have, where you can eventually beat low-level enemies easily while higher-level enemies are still a challenge. In this game, you go from a scrub to a god almost instantly.The reason Oblivion has such awful level scaling is that they were trying to prevent this exact problem. They obviously failed miserably, but that was the intention.>It also lacks meaningful stat progression.In most games, stats are actually meaningful to the build you’re trying to make. From the get-go, Morrowind throws that shit straight into the trash by letting you freely max out every stat regardless of what type of “class” you choose. By that point, you’re not roleplaying as anything other than a Mary Sue.Yes, you can do something like a challenge run and decide not to level up anything that doesn’t fit the character you’re supposed to be roleplaying. But the fact that this is something the player has to impose on themselves as a challenge already tells you it’s not good RPG design.Related to that is how, despite having so many stats and skills, the game does very little with them. Personality is fucking useless. Speed only affects how fast you walk, but not how fast you attack or how many turns you get before the enemy, like in most RPGs. Luck is just “a little bit of everything,” rather than affecting things like critical hit chance, which is the foundation of a lot of fun builds in other games.That’s why it’s fucking hilarious to me when people point to the sheer number of stats and skills as if it’s some kind of evidence of “wow, look how old-school and complex of an RPG this game is!” when it’s actually the most basic shit imaginable.
I don't even need the dungeons overhauled, I just need handplaced loot and enemies.
>>745225121>Neither was yours.Of course it was, you just want to pretend it wasn't so you can soothe your ego.> whilst dodging making an actual point is laughable.Sticking your head in the sand and pretending something didn't happen doesn't actually make it true.>literally zero refutation to player counts & ratingsAd populum IS a refutation to player counts and ratings. Sales and public opinion don't equate to objective quality and you know this; it's just the only coping mechanism you have and keep falling back to in the place of providing an actual argument>waaah ad hom, you're crying>posts are 99% ad hom and cryingSo not only are you retarded you're a hypocrite. It's like arguing with a child, you think if you accuse me of something you're doing it makes you infallible. lmao
>>745226753>a bunch of yapping>still no pointsyawn kys
>>745206101Scaled loot is completely fine. Sure it looks kinda goofy later but functionally it works great. Amazing how you didn't mention the single only real problem with Oblivion. The terrible leveling system..
>>745226853Oh you've given up now, huh? I accept your concession then.
>>745204668Mods are anti-art and the video game equivalent of shitty looking graffiti plastered all over your city.
>>745226607My bad on this, by the way. Forgot skills actually cannot be trained higher than their associated attribute. The rest of my points still stand, though.
>>745226891There's literally nothing to argue about because YOU are not making a single actual point about the game, you're constantly deflecting, and I don't feel like entertaining your hormonal woman screeching, it's tedious and womanlyYou're also too stupid to realize, clearly, that>posts are 99% ad hom and cryingWas an intentional choice to highlight how stupid and hypocritical YOU sound. Rather than actually address my argument, you deflect with "muh fallacy" then proceed to post a fallacy because you know you have nothing. This is why you're sexless; Woman don't want to be with other spiritual women.
>>745227416>pretends to give up on argument because he has no rebuttal>comes back and spergs out anyways kekaroodidn't read btw, you lost and gave up already
>>745227476>still squawking>"I won! I won! Give me an award!"kys literal child
>>745204668This is the way
>>745206101The only people who had problems with any of this shit are hyper spergs with the need to minmax every possible thing.
>>745227985Everyone complains about level-scaling in Oblivion because it's ATROCIOUS. It's not just a problem for stealth builds or minmaxers, it's a problem for ANYONE not explicitly minmaxing
>>745228265the worst offender are the leveled quest rewards. You don't fix that even by lowering the difficulty
>>745228582It's funny how the leveled rewards too suddenly go up in weight for no reason (because bethesda just multiplied each value when having each leveled version)
>>745223809hell nn
>>745226958not even close
>>745204668VR mod for (original of course) Oblivion is fun af and very smooth.
>>745219985every single location in every single weather type and time of day looks like that
>>745204668the only mod you need for oblivion would be one to fix the loot and enemy scaling. I've never played it modded though
>>745231084>would be one to fix the loot and enemy scalingOkay so what is that
>>745231270idk i've never downloaded a mod for oblivion
>>745230636based
>>745231270just look on nexus
>>745204668Sorry, Oblivion's shit and the worst of the three by far.
>>745231270Attribute Progression RedesignBalanced Creature Stats - Fixed Level ScalingBalanced NPC Level Cap - Logical Levels for All NPCsBalanced Unleveled RewardsReal Retroactive Health Formula
>>745235068What if I want Morrowind style loot (tons of unique stuff hidden and placed about everywhere)
>>745235173Ascension - Immersive Vanilla 'Overhaul'Ascension - Better Clutter Icons
>>745235295That just changes leveled lists, it doesn't place the loot out to find.
>>745204668It's rubbish I've got Elder Scrolls Online.
>>745235883lmao
>>745206101Use any of billion exploits to be as powerful as you want to be and enjoy the game. Problem solved.
>>745205717I have the same issue with Fallout 3 and 4. Character faces were always ugly but man some of the most popular character overhaul mods are somehow even uglier. Genuinely don't understand why they have so many unique downloads.
>>745223007>Skyrim multiplayer mod serves also insta-bans or jails anyone saying any disparaging things about another person's fucking fantasy race, even if you RP as a Thalmor or some shit.why tho?
>>745223805coming from Skyrim it looks so fucking EMPTY
>>745236665It is empty. There's really no unmarked points of interest between dungeons because the overworld was made by one guy using mostly proc gen.
>>745236665because it is designed as an actual world space that is believeable rather than theme park full of things every 10 meters
>>745237330It still has things every ten meters though. It's just >randomly generated empty Oblivion gate with random loot>abandoned fort despite it being the capital province of an empire with random loot>mine with nobody working in it with random loot>ayelid ruin with random loot>cave with random loot
>>745236665>it looksIt is. There's nothing in the world between map markers.>>745237330Morrowind felt less empty as well. There's more to a world not feeling empty than having shitloads of caves (which Oblivion has), it's about little things like the lack of random encounters which wouldn't affect the world design at all, just be NPCs you meet on the road, or cool landmarks that don't have loot or dungeons attached to them but still feel like they were designed on purpose by a developer.
>>745237564Oblivion was basically designed to be fast traveled between locations so, like Starfield, the bits between don't really have any point.People acting like this wasn't a problem are delusional; one of the most popular mod series for Oblivion back before they were born was something called Unique Landscapes which made a point to overhaul a bunch of exterior areas.
>>745237330>it is designed as an actual world space that is believeableyeah fuck that, muh realism midwit takedungeons having a convenient exit at the end is not realistic but it's fun
>>745237668>Oblivion was basically designed to be fast traveled between locationsI was so surprised when I played it like 20 years ago (FUCK), got a quest telling me "go to this city" and I could just... quick travel there? What were they thinking?Skyrim's system has much more sense that you can fast travel to a place once you discover it.
>>745209495>played Oblivion a long time ago>read about Skyblivion>hyped>Oblivion Remastered released>dodge it>now I lost interest in Skyblivion, tooWell done, Todd.
>>745237867Skyblivion wins for me just because it's going to actually remake all the dungeons.
>>745236548Because RP faggots are actually insufferable and have weak constitutionshttps://youtu.be/dz7wjgXpyoQ?si=vyy7tFKZYlrYnGVI&t=820But it does make for good entertainment at least
>>745237906And redo bosses like The Sunken One or Hindaril.
>>745237668>search 'Unique Landscapes' on YouTube>mfwBehold! Your average Oblivion enjoyerhttps://youtu.be/xvvagCk7bcI
>>745238159>lead the way, kitty cat>make that fourlmao imagine being such a faggot
>>745238159>tell me khajit, do you have any spare kittens?>my bow skill is lacking and I could do with some target practicefucking based
>>745204668Unmodded:MW >> skyrim > oblivionModded:MW >> skyrim > oblivion
>>745237906>a decade of drought>we'll get Skyblivion and Beyond Skyrim Cyrodiil relatively close to one another>one day we'll have Oblivion's Cyrodiil, Skyblivion's Cyrodiil, Skyrim's Cyrodiil and Morrowind's Cyrodiil to compare with one anotherFuck me, genuinely don't even care if Bethesda never ever releases another Elder Scrolls game. Modding so good it eclipsed official releases in their entirety.
>>745204668Modded skyrim is unironically the greatest piece of media on the planet.
>>745204668Morrowind is the least fun to mod because the base game is already good. Oblivion is the most fun to mod because the base game is so stupid it makes even shitpost mods feel lore friendly.
>>745209495I never understood the mishmash meme, like skyblivion or TTW. Why would I want to make two separate games one experience with one character? That sounds like a bloated mess.
>>745238730Skyblivion is just TES4 in the Skyrim engine, you won't be able to go from 3rd Era Cyrodiil to 4th Era Skyrim. TTW is more for stability's sake than anything else, it's better to play F3 through TTW even if you never intend to visit/play New Vegas than to play actual vanilla F3.
>>745238720>Morrowind is the least fun to modNot anymore. There's been a renaissance
>>745238720>because the base game is already goodLOL
>>745238597>>one day we'll have Oblivion's Cyrodiil, Skyblivion's Cyrodiil, Skyrim's Cyrodiil and Morrowind's Cyrodiil to compare with one anotherand not one of them will be good
>>745204668Oblivion is not better than anything, modded or unmodded. Actual dogshit game people only praise because they're nostalgic for it.
>>745237867Forget dumb game-sized mods. You play our games. OUR games.
>>745238720Morrowind mods coming out as of late are really good tho. It helps that Morrowboomers deeply care about the lore and are not just gooner autists that clutter the modding space with shitty anime tiddy mods. Tamriel Rebuilt alone is incredible and I think has more content than the base game now, with really really well-written quests and cities that are even better than the base game (design-wise).
Morrowreddit.
Oblivion is eh but at least the writing is good, the quests are fun and interesting. Whenever an NPC opens his mouth and starts talking I want to shoot myself in the head. The only thing Skyrim does well is exploration, everything else just sucks.
>745242093 (You)
>>745204668The Bethesda games are good, except Starfield
>>745212464>didn't develop a modding communityObjectively false. It used to be one of if not the most modded games of its time before Skyrim came out and everyone moved over to mod that instead because it's more stables and has better graphics. It was a stepping stone to the Skyrim modding community being the size it is.
