I feels like the last game ever made with the old-school design philosophy. It still feels very grounded in a gameplay-first design, including arcadey movement that prioritizes gameplay and feel over realism, it launched in a fully complete state, has deep and challenging gameplay (especially on highest difficulties), was the result of one cohesive vision and a few key auteurs, included a complete online mode day one with zero GaaS bullshit or nickel and diming, has basically zero wokeshit or pandering, has zero accessibility pandering bullshit, was made by a dominantly white and male team, is only about 12 hours long and can be speedran in about 3 hours, etc.Even the difference compared to TLoU2 is night and day. That is full of subversive messaging, wokeshit, is made by ugly brown troons and bulldykes, is massively bloated, has way more cutscenes and unskippable sections, full of accessibility bullshit, animations are sluggish for the sake of realism, online mode sat in dev hell for years before being scrapped because they couldn't figure out a way to monetize it properly as GaaSlop, the dev team was absolutely massive and outsourced to indians, etc.
what is bro yapping about
>>745207557unc lowk spittin facts frfr
>>745207487OK little Redditor
90% of the people shitting on TLOU on /v/ have never even played it btwtop 5 action horror games of all time on grounded
>>745207487Brother the first last of us game has some janky ass gameplay and everyone over looks that shit because it's a fucking movie game.
>>745208067>muh jankykys zoomer shit
What does Ellie feel like?
remove yourself cuk-kike
>>745208038My favorite was when people here at one point tried to argue that it’s a bad movie game that barely even counts as a game because you ”can’t die in it”.
>>745208038Don't even need to play on Grounded. TLOU2 is one of the finest examples of stealth action gaming.
Hurr durr go fuck yourself
>>745208038But also 90% of people who played TLOU played only TLOU and have a tiny knowledge of great games before then.There's nothing special about TLOU other than reaching a good synergy between writing/presentation and being a polished game with pretty art.There are many games before and since which reach just as interesting levels of mechanics, graphics or story in different ways, and there are also much more imho "artful" narratives in video games than this shit. It's the most normie standard "Omg people have feelings and it's like complicated" as far as being a work of art goes. TLOU2 went on to demonstrate that TLOU1 was actually basic af, but that expanded detail and writing on the "world" only went on to prove TLOU as a weak setting. It is literally just "What if California was dystopic???" and it only means anything if you're from LA, or if you're a dad and have basic recognition that "Daughter sad; me sad!" is an effective storytelling trick.
>>745210524Name these games before TLoU that are so brilliant. You won't because you're an insecure idiot. TLoU has absolutely fantastic writing and characters that elevate its fairly straightforward and somewhat cliche plot. The gameplay is up there with the absolute best in the genre on higher difficulties.
>>745210806Shalom rabbi
>>745210524>TLOU2 went on to demonstrate that TLOU1 was actually basic afAll TLoU2 proved is how much better the writing and characters in TLoU1 were. TLoU1 feels human and relatable, which is why its so appealing. TLoU2 feels like the shoehorned "moral" of the story was created first and everything else was bent and contrived to absurd degreees to fit this forced moral. It also feels like it was designed to be subversive by developers that hate you. And the pacing, gameplay setpieces, and environmental variety were far better in TLoU1. Not to mention that the animations and controls feel much more arcadey and responsive, prioritizing gameplay over realism. TLoU2 has sluggish controls, very little environmental variety, 90% of the game is just overgrown city blocks, and stealth is the best way to approach basically every encounter in the game, whereas TLoU had a better balance between fighting, stealth, avoidance/fleeing, and unique/gimmick sections.
>>745211305there's no way you think the levels and gameplay in tlou1 are better
>>745211371Yeah they are for sure. I'm talking about the original not the shitty demake, seehttps://youtu.be/W1IVg-tcfpkPacing, writing, characters, gameplay, setpieces, all miles better in the 2013 original.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a better story game
>it's a movie!>it's a walking simulator!>it's overrated!You know the game is excellent when these are the only "criticisms" people can come up with.
I find it funny how the tacked on multiplayer in Uncharted 2/3 and TLOU mog the single player. Those multiplayer modes actually embody what the gameplay was meant to be. Creative platforming and shooting for Uncharted, and scavenging, crafting, stealth, and intense encounters for TLOU
the last real game ever made was Deus Ex Human Revolution
>>745210806ICO, Zelda Ocarina of Time, Uncharted 1~3, The Walking Dead S1, Mass Effect on a thematic level, Half Life 2 (no I'm serious). The Ace Attorney series mogs TLOU in narrative depth, good use of foreshadowing and so on.A huge problem I had with TLOU is what an anonymous character Marlene is. She's voiced by Merle Dandrige who should've made anyone go "omg, it's Alyx" but she shows up in a portion of the game that is so uninteresting that I mentally fell asleep, and then when she re-enters the story after Joel faints from the water struggle, I was like "...Who was she again???" and these are some of the same symptoms of mediocre writing that I felt playing some of the less good Ace Attorney games, where the writer just isn't doing his part properly to keep the flow of writing and happenings organic or interesting.Neil Druckmann is a pretty basic writer in terms of scriptwriting. And he took too much credit for TLOU's plot. It was Shawn Escayg who looked at his draft and came up with the right cinematic structure for the game. It's a good game, and it made me feel things, but the more I look back the more I feel like I had already played so many better games, even if TLOU is the height of "CINEMATIC" storytelling.
>>745208038>Grounded is hardyou mean bullet sponge hell, i completed the game on grounded and the worst part is fighting in the hospital, always punching my way out and it WASN'T worth it, fuck you and fuck this franchise.
im really contemplating getting part 2, for gameplay and ellie honestly. I know the gameplay is pretty solid. I just dont know man. that cutscene eith Joel is gonna hit me emotionally hard
>>745212036You go on to pick some of the most random mainstream normalfag safe picks, with zero similarities or points of comparison to TLoU besides simply having a focus on story. Fuck off>Uncharted 1-3Bait? Retardation? Zoomer nostalgia? TLoU is just a straight upgrade in every possible way from Uncharted. Gameplay, setpieces, level design, characters, writing, story are all vastly better in TLoU. The ONLY thing Uncharted does better is cinematic, smoke and mirror sequences where it looks cool but the gameplay depth and challenge is basically nonexistent and it's essentially an on-rail cinematic. And I would consider that a negative, although retards seem to love it.>ICOA great game, but is a puzzle/exploratory platformer, that is more about the atmosphere rather than the writing or the characters. And the gameplay is very underwhelming, especially the combat is absolutely terrible and weighs the whole game down. >b-but it's not about the combat!!Then don't put it in the game. Because it actively detracts from the experience and is very frequent.>two literal fucking VNs.TWD is good, and it's probably the closest of the games you listed to really make you care and relate to the characters. No coincidence it's also a zombie game, I think these simpler plots with high-stress situations really allow the characters and writing to shine through. Ace Attorney though is nowhere near as good as TWD or TLoU, the writing is honestly not great, the scenarios are absurd, the characters are just exaggerated caricatures, the case solutions are contrived.It's just bizarre.. are you naming every game you've played? I could name like 2000 games more comparable to TLoU before I'd ever bring up Ace Attorney or even OoT, Half-Life, or ME. TLoU excels in its writing, characters, gameplay setpieces, environments, free-form combat, and how these all conmect seamlessly to immerse you. Few of those games you mentioned do even one of those better, let alone all of them.
>>745213264The cutscene with Joel is more ridiculous if anything, he would never leave himself vulnerable like that and the whole scene is really corny just meant as a fuck you to the fans.Gameplay is solid, but TLoU was definitely better. Feels smoother to play, more responsive, better gameplay setpieces, better pacing, characters actually feel relatable rather than horrificly ugly bulldykes flirting constantly. The game is way too long and the flashback segments kill the pacing.
>>745212036>ICO, Zelda Ocarina of Time, Uncharted 1~3, The Walking Dead S1, Mass Effect on a thematic level, Half Life 2 (no I'm seriousI've beat every single one of those and TLoU is better. Why can't you just form your own opinions instead of parroting /v/?Almost no one is going to say any of those games (aside from ME trilogy and maaaaybe OoT if you overlook a lot of the technical aspects) is better than TLoU unless they are very heavily influenced by nostalgia. Even with nostalgia, because I'm not delusional, I can recognize TLoU is better.
>>745207487Don't forget that it's genuinely very difficult and filtered /v/ to the point they had to lie and call it a cinematic moviegame despite being more action-packed than most shooters.A similar thing happened with Horizon Zero Dawn but unfortunately we're not ready for that conversation yet.
>>745211910>what if tacticool fps was tacticool fps with lesbaineslesbaines arent fun
>>745212036I dont think any of those games are better, maybe mass effect 2
>>745207487>deep and challenging gameplaylol no.All TLOU has going for it is the characters, not the gameplay or even story.
>We have Cormac McCarthy at home
>>745214357Grounded is hard as fuck you maiming larping zoomer
>>745214357the gameplay is solid and can be challenging.
>>745214485>>745214510I shouldn't have just copy-pasted and included "challenging," my point is it's not remotely deep.
I beat TLOU 1 on grounded. It's a kid's game compared to La-Mulana or Darkest Dungeon 1. You fart sniffers will be self-impressed with anything kek.
>>745212036uncharted is dogshit. amusement park rides for kids. watered-down indiana jones family-friendly entertainment. kill yourself.
>>745214237There is nothing in the first game suggesting Ellie is a lesbian and besides, how does knowing that from later game affect the gameplay and story anyway?
>>745214631There is a lot of routing, advanced tactics, speedrun tech. It's a very open-ended and old-school game in terms of how you approach and route sections, enemy AI is solid, the stealth mechanics are better than many pure stealth games.What exactly were you hoping for in terms of depth that isn't there? What exactly is a "deep" adventure game to you? Do you think it needs air juggling like DMC or advanced sound propagation like Thief?
>>745214692>comparing a 3D real-time stealth action adventure shooter to a 2D turn-based tactics game
>>745213264Part 2 is a way better game, so I don't know what's stopping you. It's the first game but better, except now it has a more divisive story, because it actually takes some risks, you may not like it as much as the first though but that's okay. You'll probably enjoy playing it regardless
Uninstalled this piece of shit because it kept taking away the controls for some really badly written cutscene stuff.Either employ something more clever than babbies first emotional manipulation writing or let me play the game.Garbage.
>>745214692Grounded is harder than 2 of the 3 difficulties of Darkest Dungeon. Grounded with permadeath, even just per chapter, is harder than Stygian
Guys, you are pathetic. I watched a playthrough of tlou 2 and heard some reviews. The writing is liquid horseshit. The author clearly cannot conceive of what can make a story interesting other than cheap retarded melodrama. It's also the kind of writing where none of the characters have a shred of humanity or an ounce of personality, the most stale and vile "people" I've had the displeasure of seeing in a work of media. I cannot judge the gameplay of course, but nobody discussing the game gives a shit about it. The story is undeniably the focus.I haven't watched tlou1, but considering it's the same writer I'm sure it's also dogshit. I assume people ate it up because of more comforting cliche tropes. These "games" belong to reddit, not here.
>>745209819TLOU2 is a genuinely great video game when you tweak the settings just rightShame about the dumpster fire of a story
>>745215316TLoU is not the same writer. Druckmann did write for it, but there were other writers and he was heavily tardwrangled.TLoU2 is what happens if he's not tardwrangled
>>745215135>you can't compare the weight of a bundle of feathers to the weight of a bundle of bricks
>>745215316it's not the same writer, and though it's better, it's still overrated YA fiction for gullible automatons
>>745207487Getting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this
>>745217129I've beat like 50x as many games as you little bro
it was every generic thing rolled into one>third person walking conversation slop>cover shooter>zombies
>>745215245they both sound like kids games compared to spelunky 2 7-99
>>745217851Tranny game
>>745217961tranny games are often the most autistic games, and autistic games are often the hardest. thanks for the evidence.
>>745217992I did 100% on Spelunky (the PS3 list so doesn't include stuff like the no gold and co-op cheevos) and that was hard as fuck, but Spelunky 2 just goes too autistic in the difficulty and isn't fun
>>745215219you are dumb as bricks and probably a nigger
>>745207487
>>745218360>it's not fundiagnosis:
Factions is top 10 multiplayers ever made
>>745217675though it's one of the best generic games i've ever played, it is indeed a generic and uninspired game
>>745207487>That is full of subversive messaging, wokeshitIf you think TLOU didn't have that you're a fucking retard. Also Uncharted 4 was literally made by the same studio and came out between TLOU and TLOU2, so your original premise is also wrong.
>>745224095TLoU really didn't have that at all if you view it as a standalone game and ignore the retcon of the wokeshit DLC and sequel
>>745207487The sequel retroactively made this game terrible so you're wrong for liking it.
>>745208038>top 5 action horror games of all time on groundedI beat both games on grounded and it's nothing but tedious and frustrating bullshit. Survivor is the proper highest difficulty.
>>745207487keking at snoys
>>745215426>TLoU is not the same writer. Druckmann did write for it, but there were other writers and he was heavily tardwrangled.This is and has always been cope. Everything people love about the first game were things Druckmann came up with. Not even Bruce Straley disputes he was the primary creative force. The reality is that people who make good things also make bad things. This happens all the time and you don’t need to write fanfic to justify it.
>you lived long enough to see /v/ try and pretend that TLOU isnt a moviegame
>>745224206this
>>745224352Post your Grounded clear, along with 10 games more difficult than TLOU on Grounded, at least half of which you have beat yourself.
>>745224164>TLoU really didn't have that at allI'm wondering what causes this cognitive dissonance. Are you blind, or are you okay with only a little bit of subversion, or has it been so "normalised" you didn't even notice it? Girlboss Tess valiantly fighting men on equal footing and sacrificing herself so you can live. Maria leading a colony of survivals. Literally a frizzy haired black chick leading the resistance, as in almost every other game that has a "resistance" against a vaguely fascist organisation/government. The two poor, oppressed and persecuted black brothers tugging at your heartstrings.The gay porno magazines. I haven't played the game since 2013 so I don't remember everything, but there's probably a lot more. Don't waste time doing mental gymnastics to explain away how that's akhshually perfectly acceptable lore/world building and not the typical and predictable jewish inversion of reality and subversion.
>>745224642>nooo it gets good after you buy the $5 DLC to get less less ammo!
>>745224659>it has a few black people and a few girl characters as well as a minor character that is very briefly mentioned gay as the BUTT OF A JOKE therefore it's le wokeChuds have truly lost the plot. They would think the average SNES game is woke
9/10 bait, I wanted to respond for a second
>>745224352time is a cruel mistress
>>745224945Here you go justifying it, I noticed these things back in 2013 when nobody was even throwing the word chud around. Same with the Bioshock series btw, it's full of jewish subversion. Funny enough Infinite also released in 2013, with exactly the same trope. I wonder how many strong black women resistance leaders will be enough for you to notice a pattern.
>>745207487Kojima has made games since then so you're wrong since his games still feel like all the things you describe even if he has his own brand of autism in them.
>>745214772The development of Drake and Elena over the series is more genuine than the arc of Joel and Ellie over the first two TLOU games.Even in the first one, Ellie just kinda makes you roll your eyes at times because the dialogue is so rudimentary.Sorry jew, but Amy made better games.
>>745225723i wasnt arguing which one is better. they're all dogshit and trying to debate which action figure has more of le human condition makes you look sweaty and fat
are shills really trying to get people to change their minds on this because LoU 3 rumors?>>>745153142do not want
>>745225904>picrel
>>745225420He's trying to shame people into thinking there is no pattern and if there is it's not what you think.Typical leftist.
>>745208038It was cool at the time, but definitely a flashpoint in the "moviegame" sphere. In hindsight I kinda hate all the praise around this game because it represents what it truly is. "Hey, let's make video games CINEMA". I like it as a sometimes thing, but it feels like at a point most of my favorite series started chasing a more "realistic", cinematic, open-world experience, and it just did not interest me the same way game design used to with 6gen and before. fuck this game desu, multiplayer was great.
>>745226015>i'm not brown and im not esl
>>745226015A little jewish subversion is fine and normal apparently.
>>745225420The Vox populi were gonna be just as bad as the people running Columbus
>>745225420If Marlene is the leader of the resistance against the fascists, and she is the antagonist of the story, doesn't that make Joel, aka (You) the player, the fascist? And most players absolutely agree with and side with Joel at the end. What exactly is TLoU meant to be subverting? The entire story is literally about the importance of family, bonding, and how the rest of the world doesn't matter to Joel when he has to sacrifice his world (Ellie) to get it. Is that not literally the exact OPPOSITE of what le big ebil jewish space aliens would want you to think?
>>745225420>white people should stick together and focus on their traditional family unit rather than sacrifice themselves for the betterment of the stinky brown society around them>THIS IS LITERALLY JEWISH SUBVERSION!!
>>745226378Kind of besides the point, a black woman in their mind is the polar opposite of a white man, it doesn't even have to be any deeper than that. The point I was making was the very specific typecasting that is always an inversion of reality. Supposedly they're trying to subvert expectations by doing the same predictable things, to the point where they become the new "expectations" to anyone paying attention.>>745226739>le big ebil jewish space aliensHis name is Neil Druckmann you disingenuous fag >>745227049Nice strawman
>>745224642I bought the game at launch because it came with the PS3 and I am never going to play that piece of shit movie game. I learned the record from finishing Uncharted 3 and Womb Raider 2013 which were terrible.
>>745227639Uncharted 3 and Tomb Raider 2013 are terrible but TLoU1 mogs the shit out of them
>>745207487Not only a dogshit boring snoy cinema experience for double digit IQ normgroids, it wasn't even the creator of the subgenre. It was merely the polished turd of Uncharted.
>>745227880>I am le enlightened individual who only likes reddi- I mean /v/ approved games
>>745207487Armored Core 6Expedition 33
>>745207487This is more like a movie game, you fucking mongoloid. Started all this movie videogames.
>>745207487>has basically zero wokeshit or panderingthere was a whole badass woman episode, a white rapist episode, and a virtuous black man episode, yes, the woke wasn't so 'in your face' back then, but still, the seed was there, and yes, I agree, it was legitimately a good zombie game with thought and effort put into replayability
>>745208038I tried it and wasn't impressed, it's overhyped garbage.
>>745228305It's really not you fucking retarded normalfaggot poser trying to fit in.
>>745207487>REAL videogameIt's literally a TV show that you control.Its developer/director himself even got up on stage and announced "from this point on we no longer make video games, we are making interactive TV shows".
>>745224642>bad game becomes good if you play on the hard difficulty!King of shit arguments
truly sad, being a Sonyfag...
>>745226739Marlene is also a boring and forgettable character. Where the hell was she for 90% of the story? You meet her in the "Smuggling" part in the beginning which is the most drony and boring part of the whole game, where the characters talk about macguffins and hunt down no-name characters that feels like a side-quest. Then apparently Marlene is this huge deal at the end of the game.In hindsight I'm starting to suspect that this game got shilled to hell just because Druckmann is a jew and that's the way our media landscape works.
>>745225897Well if you really want an answer to the OP, then no. I can't even relate to TLOU "being the final video game". we all know it was this, and the plateau and disappointing result was so trash that it singlehandedly put the entire video game industry and its market economy into flux, and Casey Hudson is still in hiding to this day. Druckmann can't even top that with TLOU2.
>>745208038why would i have played a ps3 game?
the last new game I got was Ninja Gaiden 4.I can confirm it's a real video game.
>>745207487>The last real video game>A Sonic Heroes rip offHoming Attack melee combat will never be accepted if your character moves at the speed of a mildly obese American. Make a proper melee system or FUCK OFF
>>745224642>YOU NEED TO PLAY A BORING PIECE OF SHIT ON IT'S MEME DIFFICULTY OR YOU DIDN'T PLAY ITMeme difficulty runs are only granted to GOOD games that are FUN to play even on lower difficulties. Capcom got that right with DMC. The base game is fun so you actually WANT to play on the meme difficulties. TLOU is janky, boring dogshit that favors realism(which is just another word for unresponsive controls and awful movement) so it doesn't get to have it's meme difficulty played. Next time make normal mode fun before I waste my time on your boring slop that's only good for one playthrough(if you can stay awake from how boring it is)No, no it was totally different when your kind bitched about Soul Reaver's pushing block puzzles. THIS TIME A SAD DAD IS TALKING TO HIS NOT DAUGHTER WHILE PUSHING A WOODEN PALETTE AROUND.
>>745234554Grounded is the true intended difficulty you retarded shitter
>>745209507In this timeline, all tomboys smells and taste like strawberries. Not sure if this info can help (You).
>>745235309This can't be real...
>>745234904Soitendo are used to toddler's games, they will never understand.
