why are all endings in this fucking game so miserable>any ending where you go to mikoshi, alt makes an engram of v and either injects the engram back into v's body or johnny takes over, v is dead and either his engram or johnny engram is walking around>any other ending you're the equivalent of a goddamn vegetable, your friends all leave you too just for good measureWhy do the writers hate the player?
I quit the game after the bathtub corpse. It was too boring, skank.
>>745220038if there was a good ending, why would you pick any bad one
>>745220038Are you new in Cyberpunk genre? There are no Disney endings there.
>>745220038because it's set in america, if V went to seek help in europe they would at least find a way to stop the relic from progressing
>>745220038>Myers dead>NUSA collapsing>Arasaka thriving>Smasher spared>Johnny deletedYeah it's gaming time.
>>745220038AYE JOHNNY STOP ORDERIN PIZZAS ON THE HOLO AT MY APARTMENT
The best ending is leaving NC with Panam
>>745220326A cyberpunk story/setting with a happy ending is a cyberpunk story that I will ignore. Entirely.
>>745222739Best ending is the Devil ending.
>>745222739no it's not. think about what happens. you go to mikoshi before that. what happens in mikoshi? you get fucking killed with soulkiller. what walks out and into the sunset with panam is your engram. just like johnny is an engram and not the real man who died in 2023, what walks out is your engram
no happy endings in night cityi hope the sequel will have happy endingsand no photorealism or open world slop
>>745222973It's wouldn't be a cyberpunk game then. You just like sci-fi, you don't like cyberpunk.
>>745222910Okay but from V's perspective he's still himself, he wasn't even aware he was hit with Soulkiller until Alt told him.
>>745222861>mind is shelved in a virtual hellspace possibly forever in what world is that the best
>>745220038>why is everything so miserable in the genre entirely about how fucked up and miserable the future is going to beRead more cyberpunk media.
>>745223839Reminder that Cyberpunk doesn't mean every personal story has to be completely fucking depressing.
>>745223707Prove yourself to be a extremely valuable asset by "killing" Myers, defeat Smasher and enable Saburos reincarnation.They will probabbly fit your Enegram into a new body in exchange for your services.Eat some food with Takemura, go on buddy cop duo cyberpsycho missions with Smasher. And if v is killed just make another body.
>>745220038>dystopia is...dystopian?!
>>745224060Correct. And there are plenty of happy stories/good endings in 2077.But the main story, that is, V's, isn't going to have a good ending. It can get close, but it's at best, going to be bittersweet.
>>745223037Spoken like someone with zero idea of what Cyperpunk is.
>>745220038the ip setting is built on noir concept, no happy endings. you choose between bad and worse.
>muh cyberpunk can't have happy endings!!!you're the reason the genre will never be taken seriously or evolve beyond another other than "cool neon lights and surface-level dystopia"
>>745224215Says the man that inherently dislikes high tech and low life fiction.
>>745224165Good on you caving and immediately moving the goalpost. So we agree that there is no actual reason why everything has to be fucked up and miserable, and there is no reason why there couldn't have been a happy ending for V.
>>745224458Might as well just call it Mass Effect 5 at that point.
>>745220326>>745222780>>745224165Why?
>>745224458the effective answer is that mike pondsmith wants it that way. he wants your character to die.
>cyberpunk is when there are no happy endingsNormies on the internet were a mistake holy shit.
>>745224492The setting serves a warning, the horror and hopelessness is part of the setting. Without that you just have dystopian fiction. Which is fine, it's just not cyberpunk.
>>745220038That's the genre dumbass
>>745224619So your definition of cyberpunk is dystopian fiction with a sad ending? Is the film Brazil cyberpunk?
>>745220038>Why do the writers hate the player?They're Leftists.
>>745224706It's a setting, cyberpunk isn't a genre.
>>745223037He just wants a edgegooners harem vn
>>745224732No, there are no cyber aspects in Brazil.
>>745224764sad that the market has yet to fill this void
>Why do the writers hate the player?They know ball
>>745224806need at least 3 seasons of edgerunner babes for a complete lineup
>>745224492Because people walking away happily into the sunset after winning against all odds would defeat the entire premise of the setting. This isn't hard to understand. The corps always win, the world will move on, the rich get rich, the poor get poorer, and tech will eventually consume every last shred of humanity in mankind.If you want to tell stories with cool tech and have happy endings, just do sci-fi. Cyberpunk is SPECIFICALLY dystopian and cynical.
>>745222739I'd agree but DFTR is just too kino. I wish you could go solo and then leave NC with Panam and Saul alive too.
>>745225023Yeah, especially since at the end of the game the next corpo war is about to start. So basically the NSUSA and other territory will turn into a warzone. It's a kino ending
>>745224074sounds good if you dont give a shit about the teleport problem
>>745225090i think the corpo war is the result in any case yorinobu survives. he has laid the ground for it already by the time the story begins
>>745220038You are not the main character. You are just another imperceptible pawn in the megacorp world.>B-b-but I killed Mr. Rape Robot!!You don't think they have an engram of him? I doubt he's even the original.If anything, the story only happens because Johnny existed and even his telling of it is unreliable because that other legendary Merc exists and he is the supposed leader of the Arasaka raid.For all we know, Johnny's engram could be replacing every time we heard that Merv's name with his own, in real time.
>>745225110You're already dead why not spend the afterlife just blowing shit up.
>>745225275>You are not the main character.Very disingenuous to say when V is the most powerful merc in all of NC at the end, and everyone knows his name.
>>745225357Yorinobu Arasaka is the true MC, you are just a piece on the board. The worst case ending (The Devil) is when he fails to achieve his goal of hamstringing the company and triggering a war with Militech
>>745225275There is even a mission in the game where you find out that some politician was getting his brain skull fucked. They're using BCI's capable of both reading neural signals and writing data back into the brain. Any future that exists in this game is just hell for everyone involved.
>>745220038V dies during the heist he's already an engram
>>745225536Nah the devil is the best ending.
>>745225648maybe
>>745225536I severely misjudged Yorinobu at first, finding out by the end that he was secretely based the whole time was crazy
>>745225761>sent from my Mikoshi
>>745224904You are reading to much into a specific type of Cyberpunk and putting on rails. All Cyberpunk really needs is cyber and punk, the world doesn't need to be an overcooked dystopia. All you need is poverty, counter culture, cool technology and some violence and you have the basic recipe. You can tell stories with any ending you want in that kind of setting, no need to pigeonhole Cyberpunk as a whole just because Pondsmith's version extra dark.
>why doesn't the game that repeatedly hits you over the head with "you either die a legend or live as a nobody" in a genre that's dystopian by design have a happy smiling friendship ending???
>>745225863Secure your soul choom
>>745225852i think the reward from the the devil is seeing how fucked it all was even though garry tried to warn you
>>745225934>no need to pigeonhole Cyberpunk as a whole just because Pondsmith's version extra dark.... But we're literally discussing the video game based off his tabletop game, not Cyberpunk as a whole.
>no chimera ending where Songbird fuses V and Johnny into a single consciousness who wages war from beyond the Blackwall.
>>745225934I agree, there is plenty of room for those depictions of the future, I love that stuff. But I'm never going to call it cyberpunk.
At least the Panam ending is kind of hopeful. Despite everything the Aldecaldos are alright. Also I think the Phantom Liberty ending where you betray Songbird and mercy kill her ends on a relatively positive note.
>>745220038>nomad ending You inevitably die from brain cancer a couple months later after a few weeks of crippling pain. It's even told that Panam is too busy to spend time with you. Simp ending.>Rogue ending Got rogue killed and you still have the brain cancer. Now you're the pawn of some rogue AI agent. >surgery endingLiving as a cripple in a world where even homeless people are decked out in cyberware, leaving you as alone as you can possibly be in that setting. It isn't Shadowrun where there is an alternative mode of life away from all the biotech. There's a bit of hope that you can be a fixer, I guess.>Arasaka endingSign your soul away (literally) which the game (and tabletop) tells you over and over is a horrible idea. Another a simp ending too. It's associated with the worst tarot card as well which the game heavily hints at being accurate in the setting.>Solo ending (giving Johnny the body)Johnny gets his complete character arc, learning to not destroy people around him anymore. The engram successfully overrides the brain so there's no inevitable death from brain cancer in the next few months. V embarks on some transhumanist journey.Solo is the obvious good ending even if his friends hate him at the end. It's the hardest to get for a reason. Not giving up the body just leads to a tiny-bit-better outcome than the Rogue ending.
>>745226292>into a single consciousness who wages war from beyond the blackwall before being assimilated by alt cunningham for the lulz
>>745220038This might be hard for you to understand but there is this concept called themes and one of the themes with cyberpunk is that there are no good endings. You either go out in a blaze of glory or you fade into obscurity. If you don't like it find a different franchise.
>>745220038another fucking retard with no media literacy not knowing that don't fear the reaper / sun ending is supposed to be the good and canon ending and the story is going to be evolving into a story about good vs bad rouge ais n shiet and mr jew eyes is a good ai that's going to give you a cure because V is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills corpos and doesnt afraid of anything.same with sending song onto the moon.engraming yourself and caring about that detail is stupid. consciousness is not a save file, you dont die because you eject yourself out of your own brain for a split second, player pov is what matters, souls aren't real
>>745220038That's why you gotta learn about the extended lore. The Nomads have good relationships with an ultra high-tech megacorp called StormTech, specially the Aldecaldos, which means there is a solid chance that they could develop a cure for V's chip problem to prevent them from having their brain eaten by nanomachines from the Secure-your-soul chip. The Aldecaldo ending is the de-facto good ending for this game.
>>745222910Are you under the illusion that your "self" is some kind of continuous discrete thing? What do you think the consequences of "being replaced with a perfect engram of your mind" would be like? What is the functional difference between an engram and a biological person's experienced identity?
>>745220038>friends all leave you too just for good measureOnly River and Panam really leave you.Kerry is genuinely too busy, Judy is actually open to see you again but is busy in another town and settled down, Vic and Jackie's gf are still with you, so is Jackie's mom. Some fixers like Capitan probably would be good to help V if he has troubles.
>>745220038I really like the Die with Johnny ending. but there's something very bittersweet about both V and Johnny not wanting to bring other people into their mess and finding some peace in their final moments. but then the post credit hit you hard and the game doesn't give you any achievement like the developers saying "this is the worst ending for everyone."
>>745225536It's hard to tell which ending is best for one reason. Some of them have a little cliffhanger. We don't know if we will be forever trapped in Mikoshi, or Arasaka will release us someday we don't know if Songbird will be tortured again under Myers or will have a relatively easier life this time, we don't know if we actually managed to start a good new life after NUSA cured us and even after we can't be solo anymore.
>>745226887They really make her cunt in the new ending. This is the only ending where you can potentially be with her forever instead of a couple of months and she say fuck off. I guess they had to do it, because otherwise ending would be too happy compared to others but still feel forced.
>>745226447>It isn't Shadowrun where there is an alternative mode of life away from all the biotechisn't it implied there is? Misty says she is escaping the society by living in a forest in Europe
Temperance is the ending that makes the most sense desu.
>>745227237Ye but we have no idea how that would work out for her, or if that's even achieveable.
>>745227215>I guess they had to do it, because otherwise ending would be too happy compared to others but still feel forced.No, they only did it because they couldn't get Panam's VA back for the DLC and just had to use audio they already had.
>>745225536In the end he achieved nothing in the big picture. Others corps took Arasaka's place, though.
>>745227095the devs pov of the endings is in the tarot cards and readings you can get over the course of the game. it's something like star/temperance > sun > tower >devil. the only things v ever had of value are his friends and partner. the higher endings reflect v acting to preserve those relationships
>>745227327They could use AI.
>>745227095>we don't know if Songbird will be tortured again under Myers or will have a relatively easier life this timeDepends on which ending imo. Pentacle probably has Songbird being let a little easy thanks to Reed and the airport massacre not taking place. Sword has her in a super shitty position.
>>745227237he
Isn’t there an ending where Wesley Snipes basically cures you? You have to betray So Mi but ehhhh
>>745227673Many people end up leaving V behind in that ending, the world arguably has gotten far worse in the two years V spent in a coma, and V literally is reduced to a super weak human and can't get any more chromes do the point where two low level thug enemies almost kill him instantly.
Should have been an ending where you impregnate and marry Misty. Its what Jackie would have wanted.
>>745226447>V embarks on some transhumanist journey"V" doesn't. He's dead. An engram/80-90% accurate digital copy of him goes beyond the blackwall with Alt (or is consumed by her, not really clear), but it's not V.>>745227237Not a fan of that ending because they ignored Misty's personality just to make it more negative. The Misty you learn about during the game would've 100% asked V to leave with her and get out of Night City, but the writers clearly ignored that on purpose because no potential happy endings allowed.
>>745227215If you connect the dots - she probably killed herself or died doing some dangerous shit, Mitch is wishy washy about it.V's been out cold for two years, it may not seem like much for a basement dweller but it's a long ass time.
I see a lot of people online saying that female V is better, is it true or is it a mass effect situation where both are just as good and the performances just have differences
>>745227614Surprise Myers don't send goons after you even if you hand over Songbird but even allowed to cure you lmao. You jeopardized her whole political position, started a massive massacre, and killed dozens of her people.
>>745227939Female V has a much better voice performance. Male V just sounds like a GTA protag.
>>745220038DLC side quests have these half assed neutral "good" endings and they're kinda gay.
>>745227924She actually do tell V that leaving night city would be a good idea and that if she ever see him there she will welcome him with open arms. but the players need to pick the right dialogues for that.>>745227919V's a real bro he would never do this to Jackie.
>>745226447>a crippleare you really a cripple thosure not having top implants sucks but you still have the basic trash, so youre just reset to what you were at the start of the gamesure the bum beats you up but youve been in a coma for two years, just hit the gym lil brothere are implantless people living just fine around night city, monks, that one ganic ripperdoc, panam, vik, misty i thinkseeing the world have moved on from the time of your prime is sad but it beats being dead unless you really wanted to go out with a bang (or banging panam)
>>745227673>Isn’t there an ending where Wesley Snipes basically cures you? You have to betray So Mi but ehhhhThere is, how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win? All I've ever asked of my agents is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help Night City, because inside every gonk there is an NUSA citizen trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.
>>745228049It's not just basic shit, you basically have zero implant beside the "connector". and you can't put anything. If anything V is probably weaker than even random regular citizens.
>>745220038Have you seen the guy who made cyber punk? Obese, old, fake intellectual, nog.
>>745227939Played both for comparison, feels like male V's VA has better acting skills and is better at contextually staying in character, femV isn't bad either, but objectively I think the maleV is the superior one. Don't think there are any differences in the story, except the romance options available.
>>745228195He sounds cool in the interview he made. like a cool guy. very humble.
>>745227939they're gay trannies, the game is written with the guy in mind.
>>745228024GTA protag or a realistic convincing character in the setting and not a dyke that doesn't fit in the dr jekle mr hyde narrative
>>745228216There's some very small changes but it's not the dialogues itself most of the time, but the delivery sounds different.Like in the tower ending, Male V sounds broken like he already gave up and accepted it, Female V sounds very much shaky like she still is coming to term.
>>745226447>Solo is the obvious good endingThe fact that the obvious good ending is the one where you get literally eaten from the inside by a parasite personality effectively admits that the writers do hate the players, those wretched cunts who dare want to matter in the videogame they're playing rather than servilely sucking muh superstar's cock.
>>745227876>the world arguably has gotten far worse in the two years V spent in a comaWorld is pretty much the same. The only sad thing what happened is Viktor place taken over by corps.> reduced to a super weak human and can't get any more chromes He is just a normal guy now. Even in a dystopian, cyberpunk future normal people still have some normal lives. In fact, most of them. Question is if V prefer quiet long life or live shortly but epic. Dex question in car,
>>745227939Female V line delivery is better. Male V is kind of a Chris Evans imitation, which is funny taking place in California. Playing female is pretty gay though.
>>745222739Best ending is storming Arasaka alone. Rogue is alive, you become king, and you do one last holy grail mission with unknown consequences. Nomads are stupid if they think they can figure shit out by blindly driving into the wasteland.
>>745228342Fairly certain most regular people still have chromes, even if weaker ones. V can't even have this.Many corporations or places also refuse to hire people without chromes. (which is why some even chrome their employees so they are indebted to them)
I hate how don't fear the reaper cannot be done without doing a specific dialogue choice, even if you are very cool with Johnny.
>>745226447The Panama ending you guys are literally riding together and Judy into the unknown.
>>745224268This is the correct answer. Noir and cyberpunk have the same narrative structures. You could take almost any noir story and swap in a Cyberpunk setting and it would work with very little transposition..
>>745228428Didn't Viktor actually say he can still have some chromes, just not military ones?
>>745228036yeah she does say that, but she doesn't actually ask V to leave with her. To me this suggests the devs were fully aware that the real misty would straight up ask, but they couldn't do that as V getting cured AND getting out of NC would be "too positive" of an outcome.
>>745228550misty in that ending is jaded smoking misty, so it's different. both her and viktor have extinguished their hope.
>>745228550V getting out NC with Misty and taking pictures of bisons in Polish woods for the rest of his days would actually be pretty good.
can you only get tower if you do Pentacle or can you also have it in sword?I feels like it would have being nice if the "songbird is launched to the moon" ending also gave you a special ending, but it wouldn't fit the "songbird screw you over" thingInteresting though how a vast majority of players did the stick with Songbird all the way though. All the other endings are far less done.
>>745226887They all leave you, retard. Pay attention. Kerry would have given V the time of day during the rest of the game, but doesn't give a flying fuck about anything but recording a new record for his record label. Judy is sympathetic but too busy to care. Vic is a corpo sellout that shrugs and says he can't help you. Misty is sympathetic but has no interest in taking an invalid like you anywhere.V is left with absolutely nothing and is more likely to get killed in a mugging than anything else.
>>745228758pretty sure you can still call reed, the whole exchange when you betray her at the port is funny
>>745228758the chance to screw over Solomon and the president bitch is just too good to pass up, even if you don’t care for songbird
>>745228838He still has someoneMama Welles!
>>745228838well, you knew none of these assholes at the beginning of the game anyway, so, fresh start
I hope the sequel has a dynamic faction relation system with real mechanical consequences. Like helping the scavs recycle city waste could get you access to cheaper gear, or helping the animals with bouncer duties could get you your own squad of gym bros who will turn up at your location with a simple text msg etc. And of course they'd be aggressive/neutral/friendly depending on relations.
Which corpo or gang from the books would you like to see in the sequel?
>>745224792There’s vents and tubes.
>>745228150fine, full organic thenhit the gym, find the ancient "roids", join the monks and learn kungfu, go to europe to do their bio mods, or call reed to take up the gov job to rise through the ranks and get your implants reactivatedit aint over until its over
>>745229129I want to know what happened to all the furries. A considerable percentage of the population is animal people.
>>745228758I found Reed path better still. Better rewards, Hansen and Max Tac fight boss fights, horror section that is tribute to Alien and 70 sci-fi movies.
>>745220038the whole setting hates you. it's supposed to. there are no good endings for anyone in a society dominated by massive capital, hyper consumerism catering to endless thirsts for violence and sex
>>745229129Game books or are there actual novels set in the world?
>>745220038Because nobody makes it big in Night City. It chews everyone up and spits them out.
>>745229057God I hope not, sounds stupid and out of place. I bet you want survival mechanics too?
>>745228693Especially when he just got beat up by 2 nobodies 30 seconds prior. It wouldn't make much sense for V to say no to Misty's offer if she asked him to leave, there's basically nothing left for him in NC, so that's probably why they just didn't have her ask. You're stuck in an NC gloomy ending this way.
>>745229189quantum tuner is op
>>745228485I can't believe there are retarded cuck faggots out there who are "cool with Johnny"
What do you mean. The Sun ending is quite literally the ultimate power fantasy
>>745226738yeah, i don't think some man-made tech can compare with a real human brain and real consciousness. it's even shown that johnny's memories are inaccurate numerous times.
>>745224395Saying a game has to have all bad endings is just as bad as saying books or film have to have bad endings. Nonsense. People don't want that.
>>745231454think about what happens. you go to mikoshi, you talk to alt and see yourself and johnny. then, lights out. what do you think happened there? alt fucking killed you. Then either johnny, or your engram gets the body. the real v is dead. despite no one knowing, not even v himself, assuming engram v got the body, it's kinda like this : he solo stormed arasaka tower, then fucking died. a clone of himself is now in his body and ruling the afterlife or johnny took over and is out doing whatever the fuck
>>745224904wrong cunt
>>745224904Cyberpunk specifically means neon cities. That's it.
>>745220038Cyberpunk is ultimately about some loser who got put into circumstances that they had no means to handle and died for it.Not very empowering, but it is realistic in a fatalist sense.
does the game really benefit from replaying it? I was bummed there's no NG+
thanks to cp2077, now whenever I want to search cyberpunk stuff on internet, all I get are cp2077 linksONALLPAGES!!!!!
>waow, cool tech and theming. this is a cool->ERM, ITS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE BAD ACTUALLY.
>>745226447>where there is an alternative mode of lifeBiotechnica produces bioware. V could've just opted for those after gettinf his cybernetics removed.
>>745220038I couldn't care less because every character in the story including V deserves to die.
>>745220038Do you not know what the word dystopia means?
>>745220038Because CDPR can't write for shit, can't code for shit and can't art design for shit.NC looks like LA with a few extra neon barsNice parts of the city aren't futuristic enough to sell that their lives are soo much betterChrome shouldn't be on fucking hobosEvery mission falls on its face trying to be deeper than it isWhile also never giving you any time to actually sit with a missionCould have cut all the gigs and it wouldnt have made a differenceMost missions have no proper follow throughCyberpsychos, here's a costume for taking them all down non-lethalNo actual continuation or resolution."Maybe ill be able to do something with that later"Other missions railroad you too muchOr worse, 'This death row inmate is going to off themselves for a bd, this is bad' said the guy who five minutes ago masacred three dozen people to steal some shitThe game tries to moralize while you are a mass murdererNot a surprise, CDPR have never made a good game. Just constantly mediocre outputs and people clap. Its the same level of quality as the yearly CoD releases
>>745222910Okay but my engram gets to impregnate Panam with my body before it kicks the bucket, thus ensuring my bloodline will live on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzUkUVawaUFor me, its massacring an entire battalion of NUSA soldiers at the Night City spaceport
>>745239017Ngl I turned this shit down. Played Tears from Max Payne 3 instead because Airport level while having V slice the entire station up with his mantis arms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_YZ7QVQlQ
>>745224546in the case of Cyberpunk as in this particular IP yes, Night City literally has no happy endings
>>745220038Welcome to Cyberpunk, enjoy your stay
>>745223037Maybe Pondsmith’s cyberpunk if that’s what you mean, but plenty of cyberpunk has happy endings. Gibson’s books pretty much all have happy endings, or at least they’re bittersweet.
>>745237020>Chrome shouldn't be on fucking hobosI'm sure the homeless war vets disagree.
>>745237020>NC looks like LA with a few extra neon barsPondsmith has explicitly stated that Night City is based on LA
>>745220038because MUH NO HAPPY ENDINGS IN NIGH CITY AND THE CITY CONSUMES YOU corny shit
>>745220038the best ending is the fear the ripper one
>>745227939Female sounds too much like a small young woman trying really hard to sound tough (which is literally the case). Male V sounds like a faux-Brooklyn dickhead but he has his charm and he is playing a criminal after all. I’ve heard it said that the girl delivers better in the emotional moments, but I thought the guy actually brought a surprising amount of tenderness to his performance.
>>745228127Shoulda been able to rail her in the apartment.
>>745229536TFW engram takeover doesn’t even matter cuz Johnny is literally me
>>745240968this fucking add it CDPR you fags
Do valley accents still exist in California?
>>745242754Too many immigrants now
Cyberpunk the genre can have happy ending, but not THIS cyberpunk setting and especially not in Night City. >>745227939It's like ME where the female VA sounds like she's trying too hard to be snarky or threatening while the male VA just sounds like a normal tough guy.
>>745240252>Gibson’s books pretty much all have happy endings,Case didn't get the AI replication of his dead possibly traitorous ex-girlfriend so I consider it a bad ending.
Because gigantic faggots think all stories in a setting have to be written in a setting specific way. Which in turn is why you end up with franchises that are either boring or have a horrible mouthbreather fanbase. See also things like Warhammer, where everything has to be shit in the end or its not le grimdark.
it unnerves me how most of the endings the solution to surviving longer is to kill your real self to be replaced with an engram copy.
>>745243280Case literally gets a new girl and starts a family with her. That was revealed in Mona Lisa Overdrive though.
>>745243909I can't help but feel like the story got completely rewritten when Keanu Reeves signed on.
>>745243909The whole point of the surviving V being an engram of V in V's body is to get you to think about what it is about yourself that makes you "yourself". V doesn't even realize he's been made into an engram until he's told by Alt. Johnny is an engram but from his own perspective he's alive, he has thoughts and memories (though jumbled and tampered with but how is he supposed to know otherwise?) and full sentience. Yeah you can say the real V is dead and the engram is a fake, but what's the difference if the sensory experience is the exact same.
>>745244003no I mean alt kills you and her temporary solution to your brain dying is to put an engram copy of yourself in it.
>>745220038>why are all endings in this fucking game so miserableUnrestrained Polish writing most likely.
>>745220326t. didn't read Snow Crash
Isn't cyberpunk inspired by the noir genre, which is known for having bad or bittersweet endings.
>>745244152Isn't an Engram just a copy of the original? If that's the case then the original is just dead.
>>745244351That's a copout, there is also plenty of influence from shonen, classic sci-fi, samurai, cowboys and regular detective fiction. There is no rule that says everything has to be gritty and depressive.
>>745244424Yeah, it's the same age old trope of "is the copy really you" like in Soma. They even have that same argument in-universe.
>>745244424Yeah the original is dead but the engram being a copy doesn't make it any less real or legitimate. The engrams acts and lives and expresses as a fully conscious, feeling and subjective being just as the original does to the point that they don't even realize there's any difference between themselves and the original until its explicitly and undeniably pointed out.
>>745244647Havent played Soma, it sounds gay. There is no dilemma anyway.
>>745244664NTA but while the engram copy may be as real as the original V, it's still objectively not the original V. So I definitely think there's an argument to be made that it's not as legitimate as the original, but at that point it's mostly just a spiritual and philosophical debate since you can't weigh or quantify something like a soul or consciousness.
>>745220038Because all the cyberpunk 2020 setting is meant to be a cautionary tale, a message wrapped up in a story.Woke people makes the exact opposite because everything must be about themselves, and the result is a steaming pile of dog shit.
>>745232897>Cyberpunk is ultimately about some loser who got put into circumstances that they had no means to handle and died for itImagine being so retarded as to say this while Ghost in the Shell is airing.
>>745220038The ending where you rob the space bank is the best ending the fuck are YOU? talking about?
Why is the anime so much better written than the game?
>>745220038>MUH HECKIN FICKSHUNUL CARE-ACTORactually commit suicide
>>745243959I actually haven't finished anything past Neuromancer because I heard the sequels just aren't as good.
>>745245248anime isn't really but the stylization and character designs/girls were better Lucy and Rebecca mog the fuck out of that dyke and Panam
>>7452452484 hour long show with a tight narrative focus vs 50 hour+ sprawling massive open world game that honestly only really had 2 and a half years of active development
>>745245710Adam Smasher is also better in the anime.
>>745245843I honestly like that some schmuck V the boston boy kills Adam Smasher. It's fitting a high functioning cyberpsycho kills another high functioning cyberpycho
>>745220038Slavs think being doomer is a quirky personality trait
>>745246294He's probably not even really dead since Arasaka must have his engram and Adam Smasher's known for jumping between bodies.
>>745246427Arasaka goes bankrupt either way, his best cyber husk also gets destroyed by Vince.
Is /v/ built to endure?
>>745246478True, but I don't doubt a second that other megacorp wouldn't swoop in to get possibly the best (and most destructive) soldier on the planet.
>>745246294Most fun fight against him was speeding around with Sovereign
>>745220038there's a "good" ending if you side with reed in the phantom painhttps://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Things_Done_Changed
>>745220038>thesis statement of the entire game is it's better to burn out than fade away>confused as to why the endings in which you prolong your life through any means necessary are badAnons....
