>>745224465
you want a shotgun to be stronger than a lightning gun or rocket launcher?

>>745224763
I would prefer if I started with a shitty handgun. That way the shotgun is allowed to be strong. Having it as the started weapon makes no sense.

>fresh spawns take 5 hits with a shotgun to kill
>still a 2 tap with quad as a result
Its crazy how beautifully it worked out from a balance point of view. They lucked into so many amazing gameplay patterns. Quake(World) truly is the best computer game ever made.

Hard disagree. The shotgun was weak but still had a role in the game, an added pistol would feel pointless.

When you first played Quake 1 in 1996, did you have music in the game or not?

I was playing this a couple years ago but lost my save and then just dropped it.
I agree that the enemies were too spongy and that was 99% of the reason I didn't want to play it to where I got again. Also the map design is pretty uninspired.

I'm replaying new chapter with all Runes unlocked. I missed secret item so I would need to replay everything once again to finish secret final boss

>>745229272
>Also the map design is pretty uninspired.
Yer wrong on that part.

How do I get the enhanced models into other Quake mods?

>>745230889
I can't remember the layouts of any maps which is a sign of it to me.
I beat Amid Evil before I played Quake and I remember more of the map layouts from that than Quake even though Quake is fresher in my memory

>>745224465
>I never feel powerful.
skill issue.
once you get around the mechanics you will feel godlike.

>>745224465
>A weapon specifically designed and known for its MASSIVE CLOSED RANGE DAMAGE
That's the double barrel shotgun. The normal shotgun is your medium range gun if you can't spare the rockets or nails.

>>745231018
My lack of memory of Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolfe? does not disqualify it from being inspired. That's not how reality works.

>>745225009
It makes perfect sense. It's your only ranged hitscan weapon with a surprisingly tight spread and no falloff, but it isn't pinpoint accurate, either. So you can damage stuff at range, but not snipe it, yet still do more damage than a pistol. The Q1 shotgun is unironically brilliant design. Probably the best weapon for dealing with Scrags, who love to float just far enough away that nails take too long to travel and rockets are wasted unless you're a 400% SKILLED AIRSHOT GOD. And because of its range, it doesn't become completely useless like Doom's pistol once you get the chaingun.

>>745231392
I don't know man. You could blame hardware limitations, I guess, but to me everything looked the same. Dusk and Amid Evil both did spooky castles better. I don't deny it is an important game but I would much rather play one of the games that it inspired than Quake itself. Map design and spongy enemies being the main reasons why.

>>745231554
>Dusk
opinion utterly discarded forever

>>745231614
Okay

Quake 2 > Quake

>>745231679
This is unironically true with the remaster.

>>745224465
I agree with you. Both shotguns suck. And you never get enough ammo for anything else most of the time either.

>>745231679
>everything is a hitscanning marine
>+now with the remaster you get the spastic jumping Berserker
No thanks. Peak Quake is still either 1 with Arcane Dimensions or Dawn of the Machine.

>>745224465
When is Ranger going to fuck Shubby already.

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>>745231554
>but to me everything looked the same
You are objectively incorrect. Again, yours or my feelings on matters of reality do not mean anything. That you'd prefer Dusk's or Amid Evil's gameplay are other matters. For instance, I personally didn't like Amid Evil's gameplay. I tried, and I bought the game twice over 5 years but refunded both times. I just can't do it. Something about the sorceries feels soft. Dusk I didn't finish, but it's fun. I think I lost interest in episode 2 because it went from spoopy time to Half-Life with the human enemies with firearms, and I was spoiled by how cool the spoopy time was and didn't want to fight human enemies with guns.

>>745232024
Look all all that brown and blue, and sometimes orange

Power comes from being skillful and outplaying the enemies

>>745232024
I don't remember how far I got before I lost my save, but I didn't even get to the end of the first episode I think because I don't remember fighting a boss. The stuff all looked the same to me and the layouts didn't scream inspired.
>Something about the sorceries feels soft
Some of the weapons feel good, others feel bad. I get that. Personally I only didn't like the base staff and the trident, but liked everything else. Didn't play the DLC though.
As for Dusk, Episode 3 is better than 2. 2 is the weakest over all, but late 2 has some kino later on.

>>745224465
>A weapon specifically designed and known for its MASSIVE CLOSED RANGE DAMAGE
Stop this meme

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>>745232158
It's a limited palette for sure, but deliberately used to great effect.
>>745232291
Mebe I'll get back to it. I sort of just wish Dusk had as much custom content as Quake. That'd be fun.

>>745231525
/thread

>>745224465
>>every enemy takes 3-6 point blank shots to die
damn, your enemies are powerful

>I never feel powerful.
killing effortless opponents cannot make you feel powerful, it will only make you feel bored
unless, are you, perhaps, meek?

>>745225097
you sound like a fucking retard

>>745232158
It's called a theme. There are a billion rainbow colored boomer shooters on Steam if that's your thing.

>>745232392
>I sort of just wish Dusk had as much custom content as Quake
Yeah. But this is a common wish for a lot of stuff.
I wish Doom 64 got more stuff too, for example. I like it more than 2 for a lot of things, specifically level design, sound, weapon feeling, and plenty of other stuff. If they added back missing enemies and had it have more custom stuff, it would be better than Doom 2 in my book.

It's my first time playing this game so I just wanna make sure I'm getting this right. The upgraded shotgun does the same damage as the shotgun, but just puts out more pellets right? So if I want to hit something far away that is a small target, I should just use the weaker small shotgun so I'm not wasting bullets?

>>745225097
this anon understands

>>745231525
>Probably the best weapon for dealing with Scrags
idk i prefer the nailgu-

>unless you're a 400% SKILLED AIRSHOT GOD
ah, yes, that would be it.

>>745232690
That's right. Double barrel for close enemies, single barrel shotgun for farther way enemies or when you want to conserve shells. Unlike Doom's handgun it's always useful and the double barrel isn't a straight upgrade, it's more like Doom's shotgun vs super shotgun.

What's the best track and why is it Parallel Dimensions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2M1PwrhVfo

>Name one of your female enemies after a fetish
why did they do it

>>745225009
The pistol in Doom is completely superfluous. The moment you get the shotgun, you never use it again, and its relevance goes into the negatives once you get the chaingun. Quake and Doom Eternal were right for getting rid of it. There's no point in wasting a slot on a weapon that no one will ever use

>>745232445
When people talk about something you don't understand your instinct is to call them retarded? Very telling of your own intelligence.

>>745224465
Halo CE does the shotgun range correctly.
>>745233115
Unreal has the right idea with the dispersion pistol being upgradable, and has an infinite ammo supply that recharges while substituting melee.

>>745225097
I wonder how much of this was luck. They did it too well and too consitently for too long. But I guess they also did it really badly later, so who knows?

>>745233362
It's been said before, you could liken it to Penicillin or dynamite. And it goes further than the weapons, the multiplayer maps have deep levels of strategy the developers could never have intended. Dm4 on a surface level seems absolutely retarded; the good armors are in a tiny cramped room with an RL to boot. But it ends up being the weakest section of the map, with players fighting over control of middle and the ability to make spawnfrags by controlling the tiny arena. Of course, once you secure a nice lead, it can be a viable strategy to try and camp the armor room; but if you get flooded out with some well placed pines, you end up on the receiving end of the shit stick, and praying your lead was high enough before you started to camp. 0 chance they theorized these gameplay patterns, but they're genuinely perfect.

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>>745224465
>I never feel powerful.
This is such a sad post. He actually has to learn the intricacies of a game and he wants instant gratification "press F to awesome" buttons instead.

>>745227557
Yeah, sure you did. It wasn't in the game files though. The music streamed of the CD-ROM, so you had to insert or mount an ISO to have music.

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>>745233486
>The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance
It's a true factor of our reality.

>>745232996
I didn't know it was female

>>745231525
>shotgun
>over super nail gun
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>745231679
Oh my fauci I just the hustle and bustle of strogg factories and warehouses!

>>745226594
>an added pistol would feel pointless
Of course it would. The shotgun is Quake's pistol. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>745231756
The remasters for both games are terrible compared to what the community has made with modern sourceports and 20+ years of collated community developer efforts. To think some rush job hacked together by game design major graduates can even compare is incredibly telling of yourself.

>>745232024
>I personally didn't like Amid Evil's gameplay. I tried, and I bought the game twice over 5 years but refunded both times. I just can't do it. Something about the sorceries feels soft.
I like amid evil, but I think the problem is that the weapons all have cast time, unlike normal guns that fire when you click
it just adds a bit of lag to the combat that feels weird

>>745234396
Other than the fact that a pistol is a point'n'click hitscan weapon akin to a railgun and the Quake shotgun is actually a shotgun. People have made mods in the past to tighten the spread and remove the RNG, the result is horrendously boring.

>>745232768
you gotta save your nails for shamblers

>>745232690
You can waste shells because game have enough for it, unless you are trying to use shotgun on all enemies

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>>745233486
>pines
is this what quakeworld dads call grenades? like pinecones?

>>745224465
>every enemy takes 3-6 point blank shots to die
Doom levels give you a lot of zombies and imps that you murder in an instant. Quake's equivalent would probably be the grunt and the dog which in the base game you only really see in the first level of each episode, I think a lot of people's perception of Quake's enemies being way tankier comes from this and from the worse super shotgun compared to Doom 2.

>I never feel powerful.
Super nailgun shreds through enemies quickly for example. Shotgun and double shotgun are your last resort weapons. Base shotgun weirdly enough is your long range sniping weapon too.

>>745233362
No luck needed. Even before having the levels done, they had the engine done and played around with it a lot. They also played tons of multiplayer at the office, to the point of neglecting the single player a little bit sometimes if I'm not remembering incorrectly. I imagine they tweaked values a lot as they played.

>>745234578
How young are you that you don't know what a Mk 2 grenade is nor that they're called pines, which resulted in people calling all grenades pines? Do you know why getting a kill is called a frag?

I use RL for all enemies because there are plenty of ogres around.

>>745234792
i play video games, not watch the history channel, dad.
>nor that they're called pines, which resulted in people calling all grenades pines?
i have heard that specific grenade type called a pineapple because it's ribbed for her pleasure. not a pine. the people who call all grenades pines must only exist in your head or the same subset of people who put an unnecessary "n" in "turret." now PIPES? yeah i've heard pipes as in pipebomb used a lot, which quake's grenades look way closer to

>>745234891
Yes, the QuakeWorld community at large referring to gls as "pines" is surely all in my head. Why are you so confident about a game you've never even tried until the remaster came out, if that?

>>745234891
>i play video games, not watch the history channel, dad.
Retarded zoomer. I bet you didn't even know Hitler was an alien.

>>745234578
In game death message
>Player eats Ogre's pineapple

>>745235051
My favorite
>Player becomes bored with life.
So iconic that killing yourself is just referred to as "boring."

>>745234953
sounds like smash players making up their own terminology to be different

>>745235109
>not Player tried to put the pin back in

>>745235193
If going by the terms the developers set out counts as players making shit up, then sure. You could just lurk before posting nonsense like the newfag you are.

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>>745235242
I just love how prevalent the term became. Someone accidentally kills themselves with quad? They quad bored. You kill yourself to pass a weapon to a teammate with more armor? You bored to them. With context it doesn't even make sense as a verb, but it ends up working.

I hope when I'm not 60 I'm not still posting on 4chan being angry that people are surprised a tiny community from 40 years ago used an uncommon term.
>inb4 Grandpa Anon goes on his tangent about how he personally got a handjob from Romero and they double teamed the chick who Mynx was named after while high fiving

>>745232690
>I should just use the weaker small shotgun so I'm not wasting bullets?
Quake's enemies are tankier than Doom's. If something's worth shotgunning, it's worth super shotgunning. The only time you'll want to use the regular shotgun after getting the SSG is if you're trying to hit something far away, since it has a tighter spread.
That's one major, valid criticism of Quake; the regular shotgun and nailgun are made mostly redundant by their upgraded versions, and just waste a slot.

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>>745235407
You hope when you're not 60? You're fuming so bad you can't even form coherent sentences on an imageboard. This isn't a chatroom, you can take a few seconds to formulate your thoughts correctly before pressing submit. Hope you enjoy going back to school next week.

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>>745235423
>the regular shotgun and nailgun are made mostly redundant by their upgraded versions, and just waste a slot
Not quite right. Shotgun is great for mid range fodder and regular nailgun is best used for Grunts, Rottweilers, and Scrags

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>>745235407
>I hope when I'm not 60 [sic] I'm not still posting on 4chan

>>745235563
While the nailgun uses half the ammo of the sng, it also does exactly half the damage. The shotgun is incredibly useful in both singleplayer and multiplayer, the nailgun is literally worthless if you have an sng available to you.

>>745235589
some people aren't here forever, judging by how the activity has slowed down so much since the hack (lucky bastards)

>>745232996
Quake was released before internet started ruining everything

>>745235642
Certainly not related to the FBI flooding the board with spambots to the point that people got fed up with post quality and left. It was a good thing overall though.

>>745235563
Made redundant by both starter shotgun and super nailgun.

>>745234792
>How young are you
Everyone in this thread is younger than Quake itself including you.

>>745235630
You'll kill those weak shits just as fast as with the super nailgun but not waste ammo, though.

How's Quake 4, it's the only one i never played

>>745235742
I don't think there are any maps in Vanilla quake 1 with both an SNG and the incredibly weak techbase goons (grunts and dogs). Even so, they die easily enough to the regular shotgun that you should probably be saving your nails for tougher enemies, anyways.

>>745235742
You shoot nails at the same speed, they just do more damage. I highly doubt there's any tryhard glorified puzzle map that's crafted so meticulously that you'll end up with severe overkill damage from using your sng and can't just stop shooting a nail or two early to finish off with your boomstick and not have enough ammo to complete the level. That's more Doom territory.

When's the shotgun useful exactly? It's a cope to use it, it's never the best weapon for any job. You use it on knights, ogres and fiends in situations you control because you're not using your actual good ammo, but you're never picking it because it's the best tool for the job.

>>745235563
>Scrag
Whats the difference between holding M1 for 2 seconds with a nailgun and holding it for 1 second with an upgraded nailgun? It's the same shit.

>>745235878
At most of the ranges you're engaging in the vanilla maps, its effectively a railgun. Nails fire at the same velocity as a rocket launcher, they aren't easy to use long range without wasting them.

>>745235878
>When's the shotgun useful exactly?
When engaging enemies at a range where you wouldn't be able to get all of the SSG's pellets to hit it, but you can't or don't want to use your nailgun/SNG. It's a niche use case, but it does come up often enough that the regular shotgun isn't completely useless.

>>745232024
nigga give DUSK another try, it's peak spoop from the middle or so of chapter 2 up until the end

>>745235963
nta but since the nails aren't hitscan you are bound to waste some between the enemy dying and the last nails you shot hitting the wall behind it. With the normal nailgun you'll waste half the nails (unless you are able to determine how many nails you have to shoot to kill the enemy ofc)

>>745235878
Finisher. You fire the nailgun for a bit then switch to the shotgun to finish the enemy, avoiding the problem anons are talking about regarding regular vs super nailgun ammo efficiency.

>>745234514
if you actually hit the scrags they don't take many nails at all. after playing a few ammo-starved maps you pick up the trick.

>>745235878
>>745236395
I forgot to mention, this should be second nature to anyone who ever played TF2, since the shotgun there serves the same purpose. Soldiers for example do rocket into shotgun a lot.

>>745236224
>(unless you are able to determine how many nails you have to shoot to kill the enemy ofc)
counting to two isn't very difficult

so huh are some enemies actually weaker to some enemy types? I always felt like the scrags took some extra damage from nails, and the same with shamblers and the thunderbolt

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>>745235820
If you like the setting of Quake 2, and the Engine/pacing of Doom 3, you might like Quake 4

I'd say it's worth a play, it's a competent game, not amazing. The "Stroggification" scene is pretty excellent, you've probably seen it on youtube. If you haven't, and are considering playing, do NOT look up the scene and spoil it for yourself.

>>745236559
shamblers take less from rockets. otherwise i think everything takes 100% from everything?

but for practical reasons it's just effective to eg hit an ogre with two grenades or a shambler with 30 axe cuts

>>745236697
>rockets
*explosives

>>745236645
>Quake 4
QoD 4

I'll never understand the "tanky enemies" meme. The shotguns shoot really fast and you switch weapons instantly. In every Quake episode you get nailgun and double barrel by map 2 where you will fight ogres. 14 nails and 2 ssg shots do them in in a few seconds. Doom has spongier enemies by far if you don't have the necessary weapons.

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>>745237203
>I'll never understand the "tanky enemies" meme.
doombabies

>>745237343
>in very specific situations that rarely come up they're equal!
>needs 9 ssg shots to take out one scrag

>>745237625
so the reason quake enemies take longer to kill is that you're a bad shot? very well then

>>745237343
This is retarded.
You can literally pull the same strategy in Doom against Revenants.
Whoever made this has never played before lol

>>745238080
>strategy
the webm displays constant player damage output to show 'tankiness' strategy is irrelevant

>>745238196
You're just baiting the Shambler's melee attack by going in and out while shooting.
You are a literal midwit if you think this is either revolutionary or exclusive to Quake

>>745238297
are you pretending to miss the point on purpose

>>745237343
that bob and weave in and out of melee range makes all he difference, simple trick yet so many players don't know it, neither did I the first time around

>>745238343
are you?

>>745238395
i am not, but you seem to be
follow the reply chain chief

>>745238080
this better be bait

>>745237719
If you've played the new episode, you know damn well that enemies mostly sit outside of the ssg's effective range.

>>745238472
>>745238501
Stop being retarded.
Quake enemies are just as braindead as you

>>745237203
The only enemy I'd consider excessively "tanky" is the ogre, but it's more that he's overused, taking the role of Doom's imp. Quake would have really befitted from an enemy that was as offensive as the ogre, but squishier.

yeah he's just trolling
sad

>>745238659
why are zoomers like this

>>745238631
>spawns four of those stupid ass knights that have an easy as fuck to dodge projectile attack but can easily take 12 ssg shots from the range that keeps you out of damage

>>745237343
needs a lesser shambler not a tanky one

Quake 3 was a mistake

>>745239061
shoot them with anything but the SSG

>>745239061
Yes. The knights are tanky, but that's sort of their role.

>>745239061
just nail them bro

videogames peaked in 1996

Did Quake have monster infighting?

I think I fucked up. I entered a level with a lot of zombies but I still dont have a rocket or nade launcher. Had to leave half the enemies alive.

i'd like to but my nails are capped at 110 because of the new episode's stupid ass progression gimmick.

>>745239498
hell yeah it has it. If it weren't for that the new episode would be super hard

the final boss of the new mission pack is actually fun
wasn't expecting that

>>745239498
Yes. It has friendly fire too.

I think shamblers killed more vores than i did in dawn.

>>745239678
>the true final boss is actually much easier than the regular final boss
kind of a weird decision but hey, they should know by now that shotgun attacks are the deadliest.

>>745239498
Yea thought it's not as exploitable as Doom's monster infighting because of the overall lower monster numbers

>>745237343
The ssg in the doom webm whiffed a couple shots

>>745239770
mmmh yeah I might need to replay that shit, didn't realize there's a true final nigga somewhere in there

>>745232392
I don't get people's complaints about colour palette. Everything here complements each other. Brown, blue, red, yellow, green with touches of purple and stone grey. It's a deliberate artistic choice that adds to the atmosphere of age and decay, not something haphazardly slapped together.

>>745240154
>something haphazardly slapped together.
like Doom

>your brain on doom II
The reason the enemies are tanky is because hardware limitations made it difficult to have many 3d enemies on screen. If you could take out an enemy in a single shotgun shot, the game would become ridicolously easy, because they couldn't spam dozens of enemies at you at once.

Coincidentally however, it's much more fun to fight small packs of tanky enemies than it is to fight large crowds of paper monsters. When you are facing a larger group, fps games become dumber. Instead of trying to dodge a specific attack from a specific enemy, you run around or run in circles without really thinking. Instead of selecting which target to prioritize and aiming, you spray lead in the general direction of the crowd and hope for the best. There's little room for tactics when the behavior of a crowd is too chaotic to be predictable.

A small group of enemies is just more enjoyable and tough to fight. Which is why doom II kiddies are getting filtered by quake

>>745239819
Play any of the new episodes or AD. Vanilla Doom (2) also had fuck all enemies compared to the real map packs.

>>745231525
>and rockets are wasted unless you're a 400% SKILLED AIRSHOT GOD
Rockets trivialize so many encounters with scrags, you should absolutely be using them even if you miss one or two. The best example I can think of is that ambush in Requiem from the new expansion when twenty of those bastards come out from above the map. The splash damage saves you so much ammo in the long run. Even if there's only one or two they're often hovering above something else, it's just free damage.

>>745240579
>The reason the enemies are tanky is because hardware limitations made it difficult to have many 3d enemies on screen.
Even if they had more tech, I prefer it this way because is more chill. Just a checklist of monsters to find and kill. I detested the new Halo CE because near the end, the flood are unlimited. Is so fucking boring and obnoxious.

>>745240138
It's bullshit secret tier to find, you pretty much need a guide. The item to unlock the path to it is in a secret in a secret in a secret in a secret.

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Anyone played this? it was so fun.

>>745241332
I rented it for a weekend, it was pretty entertaining but I never got around to buying it. I wish more of these huge scale BTB type games were coming out. Battlefield hasn't really cut it for me since 2.

>>745231525
>rockets are wasted
Quake is really weird in that rockets aren't luxury ammo, they're the most practical choice and your supply is constantly overflowing. Not only are they incredibly effective, but you can spam them with abandon with few consequences. It's actually an interesting choice, they try to balance it with the risk of self damage because enemies all rush you. It does largely work as the SNG is the best default weapon but will absurdly chew through ammo.

>>745236520
Not surprising since TF2 ultimately derives from a quake mod, but it took me a surprising amount of time to realize how much it inherits from q1. The fact that the main damage dealer is basically the vanilla quakeguy does make sense though.

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less enemies on screen compared to doom so they had to up the health pool on each, doom was more about combat anyway quake is more about movement, combat is more like a dance where moves and timing count more than point and click
I've always seen the quake levels as more like an obstacle course probably why it was popular for speedruns

>>745236697
Shambler takes less damage from rocket due to explosion falloff. Shambler is so fat that the game treats the direct hit as if you hit him with just the splash damage.

>>745242563
>Shambler is so fat that the game treats the direct hit as if you hit him with just the splash damage.
He is literally me.

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This guy slaps your Rangers ass. What do you do?

>>745242747
>walk up to him
>slightly back away
>walk back up to him
>slightly back away

>>745224465
Shotgun is useless against armor.
Faggot
Also, in Quake 2, both shotgun and super shotgun would be useless against heavy armored stroggs.

>>745236645
>The "Stroggification" scene is pretty excellent
I really found it lacking. The only good parts are the legs being cut off and the prove insertion in the chest.

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>>745238631
Enforcers are imps. Ogres are between imps and hellknights.

>>745233115
The point of the pistol is not to be used but to make the player start weak.

>>745234442
The remaster was done for consoles

>>745233115
Doom 1 Inferno chapter has plenty of switches that trigger from gunshot. Shotgun and chaingun wouldn't work well because two or more bullets would undo the trigger.

>>745232024
>I think I lost interest in episode 2 because it went from spoopy time to Half-Life with the human enemies with firearms
Escher Labs? Keep playing, it goes back to spoopy half way through the level and you fight an Iron Maiden from Quake 2

>>745239819
Yes and no, game gives you more than enough ammo to deal with everyone but keeping big monsters like shambler busy can save lot of ammo because you don't have BFG as fuck off button.

It's way better on Q2 since enemies can kill each other faster.

>>745241959
And then with dawn of the machine the average enemy count per map goes up to 150

>>745242563
>Shambler is so fat that the game treats the direct hit as if you hit him with just the splash damage.
Hi Sandy, hope you're doing well. While that's a funny and fitting reason- Shamblers are indeed "plus sized"- the actual reason is the rocket launcher is specifically coded to do half damage to Shamblers alone. The relevant code is in the weapons.qc file, comment included:
>if (other.classname == "monster_shambler")
> {
> damg = damg * 0.5; // mostly immune
The rocket launcher doesn't apply splash damage at all to the target it hits if it's a direct hit, and grenades don't have the half damage stat against Shamblers either despite sharing ammo.

I need to replay whole game on Nightmare for a secret ending?

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>>745231007
You download the enhanced models and put them inside the mod directory.
Some mods are using their own models though.
This is an example of my modded default id1 directory.
You can find the enhanced models via googling, don't have original links.

The triple shotgun added in AD is genius and Machinegames should have added it to the remaster. Makes the combat so faster

>>745245265
>and grenades don't have the half damage stat against Shamblers either
I've been lied to this entire time? I always thought the half-damage was for both.

>>745245265
The grenade launcher does normal damage to shamblers? Holy fuck. That's a revelation.

>>745245265
>Hi Sandy, hope you're doing well.
Fucking hell I spat out my drink. Is this gonna be the "um ackshually" of the classic shooter community.

>>745245716
>>745245838
This is news to me too. Damn.

>>745245278
Does it have a secret ending? Didn't knew

You still ain't gonna use the grenade launcher when weaving in and out of cover to avoid the lightning and the second invisible bolt on nightmare.

>>745246154
yeah, you need to replay beat last level and boss and then whole game on a new difficulty Bloody Nightmare

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Fuck those archna bitches

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>>745237343
the baron is considered a shit regular enemy even by the devs, hence the hell knight's inclusion in doom 2 though

>>745231614
oath
dusk was shit and I’m tired of seeing people say otherwise

>>745245716
TF2 used to share the jank where rocket does full damage on direct hit while grenade direct hit doesn't.
Valve eventually patch the grenade direct hit to always does 100 damage after compfags keep crying about soldier survives with 1 HP because the grenade randomly does 99 damage once.

it's not really meant to be a shotgun, it's not meant to be powerful in comparison to other weapons like typical videogame shotguns are. it's basically the most generic ideal of a battle gun arm. it's a metal tube that spits out explosive force, because you're fighting hulking 7 foot tall eldritch brutes as starter enemies it doesn't do much damage.

>>745246273
Those bitches and their ultra homing shots are annoying as hell but at least you can use infighting or put them in permanent pain state. Now the blobs, the fucking blobs. I don't know what they were thinking with those exploding shits.

>>745245265
I stand corrected.
What I said is still applicable for grenade.

>>745243124
The issue with that is that Enforcers only appear in military bases maps (worst maps)

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>>745245716
>>745245838
so the bad news is that in my smarmy romero posting i just glanced at the code and saw "rocket launcher has shambler mentioned, grenade launcher doesn't" so i assumed grenades were unaffected but i tried out the AD testing ground and it shows 56 damage per rocket (with some variation) on shamblers but only 52 for grenades so either they are affected too or AD patched it
oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ17I8n3JRI

>>745246862
>Now the blobs, the fucking blobs. I don't know what they were thinking with those exploding shits.
iirc they weren't properly playtested. It does give the last episode a substantial bump in difficulty, but still, I feel like:
>Insane movement pattern that makes them difficult to dodge and means they can quickly get in your face
and
>Explodes on death
should have been attributes belonging to two different enemies. Having them on the same enemy makes them worse than those fucking drones in Duke 3d.

>>745237203
>I'll never understand the "tanky enemies" meme.
it's pretty simple. doom is based around a trio of low heath fodder enemies that you kill en masse in between tougher enemies, specifically the imp and shotgunner can be put down with a single center aimed blast from the basic shotgun. in quake the least tanky enemy has as much health as a pinkie and is generally less common outside of early level episodes. the extremely common ogre enemy is like fighting a cacodemon.

>>745246862
>>745247038
I love the blobs. One of my favorite enemies in videogames ever.

>>745247051
>LITERALLY INFINITE amounts of fun for your pet eldritch spawn
also your shotgun is a bit crooked.

>>745246985
Grenade doesn't have specific "if direct hit, deal full damage" code, so a grenade direct hit on shambler is equivalent to an explosion being 3 feet away to a grunt.

>>745247106
Game gives ton of explosive ammo and quad means that any big encounter go down fast assume you time right or learn level design.

That meme is only true in Q2 expansions because everything have shields.

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Does Dawn treat Dissolution and Scourge as canon? How would we know? Is it a direct sequel to Dimension of the Machine?

>>745246862
Are the blobs the only slime type enemy in fps? I can't think of anything else like them, which makes me strangely fond of them for that reason alone. They're also the only enemy I can think of that becomes absolute priority #1 to kill the moment you see one, despite not being that strong or tanky

>>745247409
you can disagree with the meme but you do understand it. you aren't mystified anymore.

>>745225097
check this quad

>>745247438
The things that emerge from eggs in duke kinda operate in a slime like manner, i guess?
>>745247416
It probably does because the excuse the gave gives you for why you have 50 max health at the start of dawn is that you're "exhausted by previous battles".

>>745247106
>extremely common ogre enemy is like fighting a cacodemon
They're health is probably similar but ogre drops faster thanks to faster firing shotguns.
>least tanky enemy has as much health as a pinkie
HUH?

>>745247867
>ogre drops faster thanks to faster firing shotguns
meanwhile ogres are always way above you raining endless grenades while your shotgun does 10 to 15 damage a pop.

So what are you guys expecting to see at next years Quakecon, that is if we even have one?

>>745247925
Then use the nailgun. You always have it by the time you fight them.

>>745248006
Now that it's leaked they should put out the Quake 4 expansion with Quake 4 remastered. I'd be interested to see how they tweak the game kind of like what they did with Q2, even if I didn't like all the Q2 changes. A real wildcard would be to put out Q3 remastered and make a campaign for that somehow.

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New levels are too fucking long.

>>745248048
Except the max amount of nails i can have right now is 90 and i already used 70 in the pervious ambush.

Is this the end of Ranger's journey?

>>745248139
I'm surprised Nightdive skipped this year with all the anniversaries but I don't think they'll jump to Quake 4 before taking on 3 first. But I bet they do Wolf 3D first as to not leave it behind.

>>745248151
You should uninstall Quake and go back to Doom (2020) before it's too late.

>>745248006
VR focused game like HL Alyx but instead it's sex with Q3A Hunter.

>>745247718
I like duke a lot but those slimes have to be the lamest enemy ever made. Holding quick kick makes them completely irrelevant and there's nothing fun about them even if you don't do that.

is anyone else bothered by the machinegames episodes naming scheme? it's an autistic nitpick but Dimension of the Past, Dimension of the Machine and Dawn of the Machine are all so boring

>didn't even do Quakecon streams on steam this year with free avatars and emojis
man, layouts really hit them hard

>>745248672
It kinda felt like all the stuff they had planned for the anniversary got pulled at the last second.

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>>745248506
based

Is Ironwail the best way to play now, not counting the newest episode?

>>745248672
You can actually see planned giveaways on steamshowcase site if you search for "quakecon"

>>745248672
well, at least we got new free expansion

>Q3 and Q4 killed any possible singleplayer Quake game
will it change?

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And then in Q2 both blaster and basic shotgun are completely useless.

>>745249365
cute asshole

It's crazy that it was free. And then AD later this year? Quake still has some good life left in it.

>>745249000
It is the best way to play even counting the new episode, they released the update for it just yesterday.