Is Skyward Sword still the most hated 3D Zelda or is it TotK? It seems like it's generally accepted across the fandom as lower quality whereas something like TotK is split down the middle. Some treat it like it makes BotW completely obsolete, whereas others act like TotK killed their dog then piss and shit on it's corpse.
I only cared about TOTK because they promised to bring back Ganondorf and instead I got Demisedorf.Demise is a SS creation so this is Skyward Sword's fault.Skyward Sword remains the worst Zelda game.
>>745370741BotW and TotK which are essentially the same game just sold twice so yes, TotK is more hated.
>>745370741Squidward Sword at least had the odd interesting idea. ToTK is utterly redeemable, especially given it took almost a decade to make.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Y4yGl8Sps
TotK is just glorified DLC for a game that was otherwise well received. Complete waste of 6 years of development time, but not particularly offensive beyond that.
>>745370741>both took 6 years to developSS is a fully fleshed-out adventure game with an original map, bosses, and mechanics. It isn't my favorite Zelda game, but there's a lot of effort and thought put into it, and it stands on its own. Meanwhile, TOTK is just BOTW with three new boss types, the sky overworld from SS but not anywhere near as cool, and the sprawling, empty underground areas that were added in a panic after Elden Ring had underground areas. The GMod shit gets old immediately, and the story is clearly an afterthought.
>>745370741Skyward Swords reception increased after the switch release and more people appreciate it for what it was despite being one of the worst 3D Zelda's in the series. TOTK on the other hand is being heavily criticized for being a retread of BOTW while doubling down on it's flaws and adding grindy bullshit on top of it. Fans are also sick of the BOTW artstyle which adds to criticism. Fans are dying for dungeons mor than anything, and the ones in this game is just a cock tease. Right now, TOTK is the most hated.
>>745370741>or is it TotKPretty much the only people who hate Totk are people who n don't have it so yeah it's still SS.
SS still. Even with it's HD version most people that hated it before still don't like it now. With TotK it's mostly burnout from the world but people still had more fun with it over SS on average.
>>745370741SS was worse as an overall game, but TotK was much more creatively bankrupt and cynical.
>>745370741Btw. Ocarina remake is the only dedicated Zelda Switch 2 is getting.I mean, it will get a proper Zelda, but only at the end of its life and it will be a Switch 3 launch title.Same goes for Mario (Mario Kart World was "the" Switch 2 Mario game).
>>745373003bananza was spiritually the mario game
>>745370741BotW and TotK are equally terrible
>>745371334>Complete waste of 6 years of development time, but not particularly offensive beyond that.I disagree. I think it taking 6 years IS pretty offensive in itself. They screwed the Switch 2 out of a new mainline Zelda for the next several foreseeable years because they spent putting car building into BotW.>>745373138The SMG movie was the centerpiece Mario offering of the Switch 2 era and Super Mario 40th anniversary. Those are Nintendo's actual fucking words.>>745373352In retrospect kind of, but I think BotW had a lot of benefit-of-the-doubt going for it before TotK entered the picture, a lot of people saw the POTENTIAL it had as a groundwork for a more fleshed-out game to build off of. But TotK does retroactively ruin that optimism that contributed greatly to BotW's extremely glowing reputation, I agree. BotW has NOT aged well in the near-decade since it came out.
I liked Skyward Sword on launch, it was better than Wind Waker. Didn't care much for Breath of the Wild, but at least it was better than Wind Waker. Didn't bother with Tears of the Kingdom because of Breath, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least better than Wind Waker.
>>745370741I hated SS when it came out but the remake is alright. It's still worse than most other Zeldas but I'd easily pick it over TotK. That said, bob Zelda is very cute.
>>745373003>it will be a Switch 3 launch titleThis is the problem right here, I already know the next console will be some iteration of the switch again. Nintendo has been insisting on forcing gimmicks onto the industry instead of making a console with some power that just fucking runs games. They need to do that, and then design fun games that aren't trying to reinvent a wheel that nothing is wrong with. I honestly don't mind the nostalgia bait shit because i grew up with a lot of nintendo games, but drop the motion shit, drop the minigames/gimmick gameplay loops, ignore whatever successes the eggheads in development said they've had with some stupid feature nobody wants. Tendies will buy anything you make regardless, so capitalize on that and work on getting the rest of your audience back. Give me a zelda with dungeons and a progression path that doesn't revolve around building a land cruiser to drive around an empty overworld, then an empty open world in the dark.
>>745374223The world doesn't revolve around your desire to relive your childhood, unc.
Skyward Sword is the only 3D Zelda I’ve never played, what exactly was people’s problem with it?
>>745374542Take the Wii version of Twilight Princess and then double down on all the parts everyone hates. After that, remove the overworld entirely because fuck you.
>>745374223>Nintendo has been insisting on forcing gimmicks onto the industry instead of making a console with some power that just fucking runs games.He says as if they weren't absolutely steamrolled into borderline irrelevance the last two times they tried. These days, I suppose they could try now that Sony's gone full retard.
>>745370741It's probably ToTK but not because it's worse, but because it's more recent. Skyward Sword has had 15 years for people to know that it sucks and also long enough for people who weren't there at release to start going "it wasn't THAT bad". ToTK meanwhile was praised as the biggest thing since sliced bread for it to be BotW Nuts and Bolts edition.
people who dont like botwtotk are just pretending or unironic anti nintendo shills, everyone with a lick of sense agrees skyward sword is z tier
>>745375334I've hated sandbox games loooooooooong before anyone at Nintendo had the idea to turn Zelda into one.
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>>745370741twilight princess is worse than those games
>>745375685Snowpeak Ruins and Cave of Ordeals say otherwise.
>>745370741I blame SS for everything bad that came afterwards.
I honestly see more hate for Wind Waker than SS these days. And I don't see any hate for TotK.
>>745374720>now that Sony's gone full retardidk, they're kind of successfully paving the way for $100 baseline games right now and getting away with it. MS will follow soon, and then when Nintendo finally does it last no one will bat an eye at them for it
>>745375940Everyone that hates TotK has something better to do than talk about TotK.
>>745375969>they're kind of successfully paving the way for $100 baseline games right now and getting away with itRockstar is doing that. Different demon entirely.
>>745375829piece of shit trash mogged by totk and ss
>>745376286Nah.
>>745375940There was that on person who spent 360 hours playing TotK(a game they supposedly hate), and then did 3 hour video as to why it's the worst thing ever. Is playing something you hate for 300+ hours some form of masochism, or does part of you actually enjoy the game but you're just mad at what it wasn't. Maybe it's just me, but I just drop games. I enjoyed TotK and put 180 hours into before putting it aside. Half the time of someone that supposedly hates it
>>745370741Why do you want to know? Does the answer matter?
>>745374542>extremely linear>tiny sky overworld and nonexistent connective overworld for the three ground sections of Hyrule >tons of busywork blatantly designed to just pad out the runtime and squeeze blood from a stone with the paltry overworld>you only get 8 major Items, and the first one becomes irrelevant almost immediately after you get>there's an item upgrading mechanic, which is cool on paper, but almost entirely pointless in practice (the game is too easy to need any of its Potions let alone their upgrades, the Shields are pointless to upgrade since their defensive boosts are marginal and all become obsoleted by the Hylian Shield, and all the Items' upgrades aren't worthwhile except for upgrading the Beetle at least once, and that's only because it's a speed boost and is miserably slow without it); ironically BotW could've made better use of an upgrade system but it only got used for tedious incremental defense upgrades for armor>it's the only 3D Zelda without any active passage of time (you just have binary Day and Night modes), and you can't explore the sky or Hyrule at night (aka like 90 percent of the fucking game world); this one is egregious because the night patrol Knights of the Academy DO have lights for their Loftwings that let them travel at night, and IMO it's a huge tease since you don't ever get that for yourself despite becoming a Knight yourself)>there's a pouch mechanic that lets you tack on bonus Heart Containers/ammo capacity, which isn't a bad idea, but is wasted on such a hyperlinear easy game like equipment upgrading, and again, it feels like a missed opportunity how they didn't iterate on this idea for BotW (personally I would've applied it to mainly limit how many meals you can have on you)>the boss fights are the easiest yet of the 3D bunch, and that's really saying something>most of the dungeons are kinda crap but a couple are decent>Fi interrupts you often, especially on Wii (like how people used to exaggerate Navi)
I would take ten more TotK's with all of its flaws and BotW's flaws combined before I play another Skyward Sword.
>>745376646It's fun to know how little hope Zelda fans have nowadays for the future of the series
>>745370741Wind Waker sucks though, everyone forgets just how much Wind Waker sucks. It really really sucks.
>>745374223All the Switch 3 needs to be-bigger screen-larger battery-longer joycons with grips-with analog triggers-automagically soups up Switch 1 and 2 games with no paying extraif you disagree you are simply a faggot
>>745376780Even now, there is hope for The Legend of Zelda.Just, maybe not from Nintendo.
>>745371334It's the start of the Pokémon-ification of Zelda. Every LoZ game from now on will just be BotW with a twist because they know they've an audience who'll lap it up
Looking at Impa’s design in SS has me wondering if the rabbit-dragon people in Tears were designed after her.
>>745376748No you wouldn't. You're just trying to be controversial.
>>745377005>automagically soups upESL thirdie-turd goblin wants more of the switch, what do you know. like pottery.
>>745378171I'm serious. I will never go back to Skyward Sword. I can go back to BotW and TotK. Skyward Sword is the lowest point of the franchise to this day.
>>745376437>you didn't play enough so you can't criticize it>you didn't play not too much so you can't criticize itthere's no winning with you people
>>745376893b-b-b-but le soulful grafix! le wind coveting heckin cinnamon roll ganon!!!!
>>745378393>le wind coveting heckin cinnamon roll ganonWWfags are the biggest retards in the fanbase at large for taking>my neighbors had something i wanted so i stole and murdered my way into taking it all for myselfand somehow twisted that into>i just wanted to help my people :( pls ignore that i left them in the desert with my psycho bitch witch momsS-tier illiteracy, genuinely.
>>745370741>literal tranny makes a completely nonsensical video about totk citing problems it literally does not have right as the youtube algorithm starts favoring rage engagement>seizing the opportunity, multiple homosexual and troonloving content creators jump on the bandwagon, with 3 hour nitpicks and again, claiming things about the game that are objectively not true>this is consensus that totk is hatedIf you werent such a terminally online faggot youd know that the only people that hate totk are literal wtfbbqs, ledditors on "true zelda" and eric.Additionally, totk link is kierkegaard's knight of faith and that is something far more kino than a fag enabler like yourself could ever understand.
>>745378328I disagree about wanting more BOTKs but I do agree that I still fire up BOTW on Cemu and just goof around on occasion.I dropped TOTK relatively fast and never felt the urge to return to it. In that sense, both it and SS share the lowest tier for me.
>>745376893I recently replaced WW on cemu (hd version obviously) and I was absolutely shocked at how good it is despite how much it absolutely fucking sucks, but I really do mean despite, it has some great character, a nice story, and a cool setting, but fucking hell is every bit of that gameplay completely fuckered from beginning to end. I hate it almost as much as I hate oot.Funny enough, I actually really like SS, even after a recent replay.
>>745378776I'm more impressed the person put 300 hours into a game they hate. If you put 300 HOURS into a game, you had fun to some extent. I don't think I have ever, or will ever do that with a game I hate.
>>745378776nobody knows your eceleb bullshit or whatever esoteric hitlerist shit you're on about
Since this thread is BotW-adjacent enough, I thought of a way to fix the Hestu's Gift problem.>you still get the turd as a symbolic trophy for finding all the Korok Seeds because poop is funny>but he'll open a shop to let you buy "upgrade packs" for armor sets (one-time purchases that give you all the materials needed to fully upgrade a given armor set, though since they're just materials you could absolutely use them for any purpose you see fit)>and asking him to do any of the dances again gives you a unique potion that gives you every status buff maxed out for half an hour, as well as maxing out temporary hearts and stamina; however, you can only have one of these potions in your inventory at a time, they don't sell for much money, and you have to wait a while to get another (maybe once every Blood Moon cycle?)This is the perfect way to reward scouring the globe for all 900 Korok Seeds.
>>745370741Skyward Sword was heavily hyped only for it to come out and be a the most linear Zelda made. I dont know what they were thinking i genuinely thought they were making wind waker but with the sky instead of the ocean
>>745378776>only trannies would hate the game where link wears lipstick and fag dressesYou are probably a homosexual trying to talk about your fetish.>inb4 nintendo was just joking bro! they were laughing at yoACK
>>745378776>meanwhile, BotWchads:
>>745379330This Aonuma guy is starting to seem like a problem.
>>745379405He's been a problem since 2001 when he started taking on full-game direction duties for the series, but Gamecube zillennials wouldn't hear of it.
>>745370741Selling the same game again with a half-baked and exploitable building mod is far more hateable as a matter of principle, on top of the game being a mindless chore like its predecessor. SS is safe, generic and forgettable but not actively bad.
>>745379330>aonuma has wanted androgynous faggot link since oot>the next zelda game is oot again but literally this time>conspicuous amounts of blue in nu-oot's kokiri tunicSay goodbye, /v/.
>>745379096According to someone on kiwifarms she regularly replays the game on stream while people watch and donate so she "Does the thing" and screams about shrine island, so who knows how many hours she has in it now.Whats crazy is that I have so, so many games that I played for 20-40 minutes and dropped entirely because they were not even remotely engaging. Im not even talking about some steam sale haul I paid next to nothing for, im talking about paying full price for a game I was excited for only to find it repulsive, uninstall it, and never look back, Its just hard to take anyone seriously who voluntarily completes a game that is apparently "objectively" shit....though how much control over her own will a testosterone injecting foid has is perhaps a different story.
>>745379670>nu-oot
>>745370741You're a deluded faggot if you think TOTK is anywhere near as hated as SS
>>745372610I've seen people try to say its motion controls filtered people without any irony. But it just comes across as reframing the games problems as a good thing.>>745379473He comes across as that stereotype about prententios artists who want their "vision" over everything else
>>745379713>According to someone on kiwifarmsI hope you are not fully grown, because stalking trannies on the dedicated "I have no life and am projecting" forum is fucking sad, LOL. Flexing your knowledge of literal who's onto 4chan's videogame board is a whole other level of pathetic, though.Autist, this is a fucking zelda thread. Nobody cares. Kill yourself NOW please. Your parents can smell your bedroom.
>>745379713If this is that skittybitty retard, then she's off her rocker because she criticizes TotK for a ton of shit she explicitly gives BotW a total pass on doing. Plus she encourages minors to steal money or buy prepaid giftcards to join her Patreon Discord to get around their parents' authority. For some reason it's darkly funny to me how she doesn't even pretend to be compassionate to these minors and arrange for them to at least join her groomercord without paying, she still demands them to pay up despite them thinking they're in distress living with their mean chud homophobe parents.
>>745379385the tranny in question is literally a botw fanatic who hates totk specifically, and if you can find even one of those pictures saying "I hate all previous zelda games, I only like botw and totk!" then you may have a point, but you wont, because those are literally the people who post on reddit's zelda pages, which are absolutely filled to the brim with faggotry.>>745379330>the game where link wears lipstick and fag dressesThis has literally never happened, further, the closest thing to it was in botw, not totk. Were you afraid you might not have a strong enough point using facts, so you just made shit up instead? Pathetic nigger.
>>745380063Oh I love it when retarded niggers like you outright admit you haven't played the games being talked about.
>>745380021Most people in general give BotW a pass because it was a new beginning whereas TotK was supposed to be the fix. It instead fixed some things and made others worse. It comes around to bring equal to BotW(IMO), a very flawed but really fun game to plop in every now and then and fuck around in. That being said, BotW is more digestible and easier to replay on a new file.
>>745379887>someone else on kiwifarms is stalking a tranny eceleb>this is my fault somehow>"no you cant find lolcows funny!"You came from the reddit migration at the earliest, newfag.>>745380021its a pretty simple equation:Have discord = groomerCant believe chris hanson hasnt started farming discord groups yet.
>>745380063MM > BotW > OoT > SS > WW >>> TP >>>> TotK That is their Zelda ranking 3D wise.
>>745380258Reading garbage online is your fault. That is time you could have spent at the gym, schizo. Instead you are rotting in your mancave stalking trannies on cloudfare banned websites that need to be hosted in ruskieland to avoid the feds shutting it down.You became the very thing people on the playground mocked as you grew up, you fucking loser, lol. Obsessed beyond belief with trannies you will never meet.
>>745380137The BOTW art director claims Link's hat isn't cool anymore btw.
Regardless, since they ARE going to be going to a new world now I HIGHLY doubt they'll be doing shrine shit again. I do wonder what it will be replaced by. We have more powerful hardware now. The caves in TotK were fun, but I just wanna find a temple in a cave man...
>>745380530>since they ARE going to be going to a new worldI'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
>>745380137Oh, my bad, I managed to forget about a reward from a questline that no straight white male would bother himself with, just like you forgot about the gay carpenters, girahim, tingle, the literal fucking dress link can wear in tri force heroes, and every other weird instance of japanese humour about homosexuals that you refuse to engage with, or perhaps dont know about because you in fact are the one who has never played zelda.You win, you can now log off and continue with your bizarre homosexual fantasies.
>>745380406>Reading garbage online is your fault.you are on 4chan you stupid faggot
ToTK is a great game and I dont give a fuck what people say
>>745380773I'm on a zelda thread gooning to pictures of zelda. You are malding about trannies on a site about vidya and anime while alt tabbing into troon farms and other incel noob skinnerbox traps. Enjoy wasting years of your life there while others pass you by going outside, retard.We are not the same. (You).
>>745380486What about a hood?
>>745380560I should have specified, a new Hyrule. Though I wouldn't mind a Labrynna or something, though new lands will probably be relegated to smaller titles.>>745380818Most people like the game anon. This isn't a PH situation. It probably is the most contentious Zelda among the fans outside of SS though. BotW is in there too really.
>>745380728>nintendo was just joking bro! they were laughing at yo>>745379330ACK
>>745380329Shit ranking, surprised mm is that high up, but I guess she knows how to milk that algo. >>745380530They keep saying they take (japanese) feedback seriously, so assuming said feedback isnt completely poisoned by faggotry, then I would assume people's consistent complaint that ancient waterworks was a one off, or perhaps the dungeon leadup for spirit, or lightning temple itself being consistent highlights might inspire them to take more of that approach.I hope thats the case, the numerous minidungeons in totk's caves were nice, but they kept blueballing me because I thought I was going to find something really substantial.
>>745380818You do give a fuck or else you wouldn't post about your liking of it here.
>>745379731Underrated post.
>>745370741The most hated 3d Zelda is lowkey oot at this point. Starting with the shitty egoraptor video, everyone is slowly starting to turn on it as if it was never good.
>>745380486Link was cool because he is in theory uncool, kinda like Mario.
>>745381357sorry, but not everyone is as retarded with virtual 3D spaces as you 80s kids
>>745370741Neither. It's the Oracle games.
>>745381357If we're just going by the general Zelda fanbase it probably looks something like this. I don't think Egoraptor had THAT big an impact really.MM >/= OoT > WW > TP > BotW > TotK > SS.
>>745381496skyward at S, kek.
>>745370741Perhaps this thread will be acceptable.https://files.catbox.moe/732faw.zip (OOT)https://files.catbox.moe/3igt6s.zip (MM 2ship)*https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)2ship got an update. Changelog here: https://github.com/HarbourMasters/2ship2harkinian/releases/tag/5.0.0
>>745381616>Cosmetic EditorFinally, I can rock red on the transformations.
>>745381496The Oracles are the best 2D games though.
>>745381496>"is SS the worst 3D game?">WRONG IT'S THESE 2D GAMESnever beating the allegations that 2D Zelda elitists are illiterate textbox-mashing manchildren
>>745384752>i hate 2d zelda>heh typical 2d elitistAnon?
>>745370741TotK barely understands game design and the illusion of choice, but SS understands it even less.>>745371334>>745371715BotW is excellent DLC for TotK that was developed in about 1-2 years using extant assets to speed up development so that they would have a title for the Switch launch rather than needing to stomach 2-4 years of delay that might have delayed TotK beyond the Switch launch, whereas TotK was the main game and was developed in 8-10 years. >>745374542>Extremely overbearing hints>No ability to skip dialogue or cutscenes>Barely any content>The flight gimmick is irrelevant>Every choice is dictated to the player, including all the obvious filler>The game is heavily based off of Super Mario Sunshine and most of its "underworld" areas are revisited with a different "twist" every time in a manner that's analogous to returning to a level for a different Star, rather than more organic Zelda exploration. It also has a blue coin gimmick.>The game doesn't clarify exactly how the motion controls work in order to preserve the illiusion of the Motion + tracking being perfect, so inconsistencies in the setup lead to gradual drift and unstable controls for most people if they don't do a schizophrenic deep dive>>745380530Shrines were just an asset mill so that their unfinished games would have literally anything in them.>>745380997They do not take any feedback. The illusion of feedback is purely internal office politics maneuvering at Nintendo where fan feedback is used as a blunt force instrument, just like the "positive fan feedback" to Link's Crossbow Training.
>>745370741>Square Enix can put out a new trailer for Kingdom Hearts 4 (and with some gameplay) before we've seen any gameplay of OoTROkay this is just getting fucking ridiculous Nintendo
