https://www.gamesradar.com/games/sony-killing-playstation-discs-will-make-ps-store-prices-cheaper-former-square-enix-financial-exec-says-and-you-only-need-to-look-at-steam-to-understand-why/>Jacob Navok, director of business development at Square Enix from 2010 to 2015, commented on the nature of video game pricing. "Competition between publishers is what drives pricing pressure, not competition between digital stores," he says. >"This is because publishers set pricing on digital stores.">The likes of Epic Games Store and Steam having to compete makes life better for developers, because their cuts improve - hypothetically, at least - and on digital storefronts, the basement continually lowers for many releases. >"You can see how the floor moves downward," he says, showing a chart of Final Fantasy 16's pricing on Valve's platform as an example. (https://x.com/JNavok/status/2087715935226380319)>"It moves downward because as the title competes with other titles, it gains a natural downward pressure." >His stance is that Sony going fully digital through the PS Store adds another layer, because it'll force publishers to be more wary of their libraries and each other. >"The more the PlayStation Store becomes digital only, the greater this trend will accelerate,">"You will see more sales and dynamic pricing similar to Steam because publishers will compete among themselves to a greater extent."
>>745371734>"Competition between publishers is what drives pricing pressure, not competition between digital stores. This is because publishers set pricing on digital stores.">"Competition between stores like EGS and Steam improves the take rates for developers, not necessarily the price for players.">"Here is the price floor for FF16 on Steam over time. You can see how the floor moves downward. It moves downward because as the title competes with other titles, it gains a natural downward pressure."https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/>"The more the Playstation store becomes digital only, the greater this trend will accelerate. You will see more sales and dynamic pricing similar to Steam because publishers will compete among themselves to a greater extent.">"You can read more about publisher set pricing directly from this former Playstation executive here": https://finance.yahoo.com/media-advertising/articles/former-playstation-store-boss-says-111745882.html?guccounter=1
Nope. All it will is make Sony charge an additional $10, since they can do whatever they want with the prices.
lol, well, people love to go outside and go to shopping malls and greeting people. So, it's basically antisocial.
>>745371734>we'll pass the savings on to the consumer :)
>>745371734cheaper *for the publishers
I think he confused the word 'will' with the word 'should'. It should lower prices, but if you think it will I have a fantastic used car to sell you.
>former Square Enix financial execlol
>>745371734lol no one believes this
Wow you mean to tell me discs were the reasons the PS store cant put games on sale like steam?Not some greedy chink chief economics officer?
No it won't
>>745372172
>>745371734This is a complete lie and we all know that. Selling your games on PSN.Nintendo Eshop.MS Store has its own tax on the devs to be sold and having it up there, so they will NEVER be as cheap as PC. They will keep selling their shit at new high prices as now.
Turns out physical buyers are mostly non-Americans.
>>745371734they literally just announced they plan on charging existing customers more to make up for the recent drops in revenue.
>>745372371americans are fat and retarded, so it checks out
>>745371734>Jacob NavokThis guy has many retard takes over the years. Just google his name and you'll see.
>>745371734>he believes this
>>745372556anal tits
>>745372406every single fucking thing in this world is malicious, fake and gay.
He was in charge when Square Enix complained that Tomb Raider 2013 selling 6 million copies was bad.
you know what makes games cheaper faster?retailers having to clear out old stock off the shelves for new productdigitards fail to understand this simple point
>>745371734>we're killing the second-hand market to make the price even lowerGoim will believe in that
>>745372485>Rent free
>>745371734I heard regional pricing wasn't possible because of disc smuggling; Sony will implement it now, right? Right?
>>745372647that's just old people walking in general.
>>745371734>formerly employed man expels feces from mouth instead of anusNeat party trick.
>>745372841>I'll make my hobby worse for myself, that will show you!
>>745371734I do not believe the prices will drop if they kill discs, though they might try and lower them as a stunt to trick people into thinking it's a good thing and then abandon it as soon as people have given up their gripes about lack of physical games.
>>745372858No
>>745371734>company that wants to kill physical supports company that wants to kill physicallel. Those retards are lying because people will just move on to piracy
>>745371734>we (public company) stop to chase profit and let the line go down or straightyeah sure buddy
>>745371734>sony killing Playstation discs will make PS store cheaper, former square Enix financial exec saysThat is COMPLETE BULLSHIT and everyone knows it. If anything they'd charge MORE
>>745372046Wtf why is your car a gigantic bridge
>>745371734>because it'll force publishers to be more wary of their libraries and each other. LMAO they are in the same fucking bed, XBOX announced killing disc game like 8 fucking hour apart of SNOY
>>745373161no, you see, the last digital push that claimed it would pass saving on the customer were just overstated. now that there's no pesky physical versions they can finally give you a piece of the pie.
>>745371734They said the same thing about digital versions of games. They will be cheaper because they didn't need to produce the manuals, the discs. Ended up being exact same price which never got discounts. Don't believe them this time either
>>745371734>>745371763Under this premise they should put all titles under Steam and accelerate this process! Shut down all stores and put all games in Steam! Problem solved Sony!
>>745371734Same shit they told us PC players back in like 2006.
>>745372172games get put on sale all the time; what they don't get are permanent discounts
>>745372485The rest of the world being 45% retarded isn't really good news (i knew this since 7 year old anyway)
>>745371734Why are 99% of video game executives mouth-breathing retards?
>>745373298didn't happen, retard. Xbox has no statement, it's only been rumors from insiders regarding nextt gen. They're literally releasing a new x model with the drive still
>>745371734>killing discs will make digital cheaper
>>745373591>Xbox with SteamHoly kek sony is fucking dead
>>745372964So the only reason Sony is doing this is because Americans are buying digitally? Even your attempts to insult America come with the premise that your third world countries don't matter. Incredible small dick energy.
>>745371734>"You can see how the floor moves downward," he says, showing a chart of Final Fantasy 16's pricing on Valve's platform as an example.Why would he cite PC as an example at all when PC has access to free transferal of platforms so competition has no financial barrier and the ability to generate keys wholesale so that a third-party market can exist to sell these keys? Neither of these exist on consoles. Consoles require a minimum $500 up front charge just to change to another platform and the only ones able to generate keys are Sony themselves.>"It moves downward because as the title competes with other titles, it gains a natural downward pressure."Except half the reason prices compete in the first place is because physical prices go down and they have to deal with the physical prices being so low, not other titles.
>>745371734>will make PS cheaperSays who. They know they dont have to. Its ridiculous.
>>745371734Shouldn't it be cheaper anyway?
>>745371734We all heard this same song a dance a dozen times before and it has literally never been true.>making game cases shitty quality by carving giant chunks out of them and removing manuals will make games cheaper!>digital will make games $10 cheaper than their physical version!>making games $70 instead of $60 will mean games will released finished, no more DLC!All bullshit. All lies. At the end of the day the only thing being "cheaper" is developer costs, the consumer gets screwed.
>>745371734They can make their games cheaper now. Nothing is stopping them.
>>745371734At any point until now, they could have made the games cheaper on the playstation store. But they didnt. Anyone saying it'll magically get better with no disc's is a dick sucking corpo faggot.
Many video game developers expressed the opinion that eliminating disc costs and brick & mortar retail stores in the early 2010s, while STILL being able to maintain the 60$ price without gamers protesting, was borderline robbery. They got away with it and they didn't think they'd be able to.But then again, SE seems very unique in the fact, that it has always been exclusively staffed by the mentally disabled.
>>745371734In just two weeks, the money from the pockets of the rich will start to trickle down any time soon.Trust me I'm an expert.
>>745371734>>745371763Oh joy, this same song and dance again. Surely they mean it this time.
Playstation Store will be pressured to emulate Steam's highly successful digital platform, meaning daily sales, weekly sales, seasonal big sales. Or else they'll just prove what greedy SOBs they are, I guess?
>>745371734It's not going to do anything for us, they aren't going to lower the price of their games. Whatever, doesn't matter to me anymore. I'm going team PC.
Ah yes, monopolies tend to be better for the consuner long-term.And this from a former executive of one of the most retarded companies on the planet?
>>745373353And that's 100% correct. PC games go on sales that often remove 80% or more of the original price.
>>745376973A lot of people forget that Steam technically has competition. Epic, GoG, Itch.io and a dozen other DL sites and meme launchers exist and are all competing with Steam for a slice of their userbase.Plus Steam competes against one the ultimate enemies of the free market: piracy. It's hard to beat a pricetag of zero.Sony has no such competition, and now, never will.
>games will get cheaperclassic!
>>745371734That's an outright lie and you're fucking retarded if you believe it.
>>745371734I don't fucking believe that for even a second.
>>745371763FF16's price floor moves downward on PS5 too. I agree PC has better prices due to more competition, but this is a very retarded argument.
>>745371734>His stance is that Sony going fully digital through the PS Store adds another layer, because it'll force publishers to be more wary of their libraries and each other.But i thought what i was supposed to learn from all this was how insignificant physical already was and that no one should care its being removed? So why is this being phrased as something that isnt already happening? If physical was already the minority that everyone wants to convince me it is then why werent publishers already acting like this?
>>745373353my PC games are 100% off, so they're right
>>745372371>losing a quarter of sales in the US, and half the sales everywhere elseI'm sure the cost saved on physical will make up the difference. Plus, don't forget about all those great exclusives coming down the pipeline...
>>745371734they are literally shutting down the ps3 store next year grab games like siren blood curse and house the the dead 4 and the true ending dlc to asuras wrath now before they are literally gone foreversony is awesome take away physical disks make future consoles not backwards compatible and then shut the digital stores down.
Its a shame that physical games are going away but it really only effects autistic collectors who are in it for the love of the game such as myself. And I'm not even mad I'm glad I don't need to buy another shelf. Nobody is buying a physical video game to "play it" in the big 26. You are buying them for aesthetic value (i love the little boxes of green, blue, red, black, white etc) and as a weird gambling investment.Did you add a couple Fatal Frame 2makes (green) to your portfolio at retail price when I suggested?
>>745371734>retarded liar tells retarded liesWho'd a thunk it?
>>745371734Anyone who genuinely believes this is cattle.
>>745383138You are forgetting about Xbox. The DLC will be available.https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/asuras-wrath/bpn103kdbx2h
>>745381651Do you hear Capcom complaining?
>>745379483>Sony has no such competition, and now, never will.Hopefully, someone will jailbreak the consoles.I know people managed to do so with the PS4.
>>745371734Sorry, not buying a ps6 until there are at least 6 very attractive next gen exclusives. I would have gladly splurged, but not if I can’t play my physical collection or have to spend $200 for a drive.
>>745379483The "Cuckbox X" and "Nigtendo Shit 2" are also consoles.
>>745384120So just keep your PS5 what's the problem?
>>745376973Nah, people are locked in and unlikely to switch to pc with current prices. Switch wouldn’t sell if game prices could scare people away.
>>745384212snoy would probably disable the drive in a firmware update
>>745383262What was it a limited release? Do you know of any ps5 games I should pick up before abandoning physical?
>>745372841>Obsessed.
>>745376973>Or else they'll just prove what greedy SOBs they are, I guess?You think Sony cares about their PR? They're fully betting on their consumer base being cattle.It's not coincidence Sony announced the end of the PlayStation 3/Vita stores, and the end of physical media the same day.It's also not very far from Sony literally removing the StudioCanal movies from the customer's libraries.It's a power flex.>>745384312Nah, I don't buy that. Sony still updates the PlayStation 3 to keep playing new movies.Yes, Blu-ray discs were designed to not play on players lacking a Media Key Block from the disc's mastering year.
>>745371734LOL LMAO
>>745371734Captialists make me hate capitalism.
>>745371734Up is down. Black is lawabiding.
>>745371734>>745371763>Square and Sony are really trying to push Reaganomics in 2026>GTA6 is still $100USD despite being digital-only
>>745385381and just wait till you learn what capitalism is
>>745385714Huge Capitalist Fan Excited to Play It for First Time
>>745371734>Sony killing PlayStation discs will make PS Store cheaper, former Square Enix financial exec says
https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/21/cod-marxism/#wannamaker-slain>Personalized pricing, of course, is the polite euphemism for surveillance pricing, which is when a company spies on you in order to figure out how much they can get away with charging you (or how little they can get away with paying you).>It's a weird form of cod-Marxism, whose tenet is "From each according to their desperation; to each according to their vulnerability." Surveillance pricing advocates say that this is "efficient" because they can use surveillance data to offer you discounts, too – like, say you rock up to an airline ticket counter 45 minutes before takeoff and they can use surveillance data to know that you won't take their last empty seat for $200, but you would fly in it for $100, you could get that seat for cheap.>This is, of course, nonsense. Airlines don't sell off cheap seats like bakeries discounting their day-olds – they jack up the price of a last-minute journey to farcical heights.>Google also claims that it will only use its surveillance pricing facility to offer discounts, and not to extract premiums. As Stoller points out, there's a well-developed playbook for making premiums look like discounts, which is easy to see in the health industry. As Stoller says, the list price for an MRI is $8,000, but your insurer gets a $6000 "discount" and actually pays $1970, sticking you with a $30 co-pay. The $8000 is a fake number, and so is the $6000 – the only real price is the $30 you're paying.
>cheaperSure it will, kek
>>745371734LMAObelieving this is like believing the stripper actually love you
>>745384407Its just a Series X thing. Anything not a huge franchise game gets essentially 1 microscopic ass print run at this stage and thats it. It might even be solely based on pre-orders at this point.
>>745371734A bunch of lies.I bet he's a kike.
>>745371734>Less competition is actually more competition>Prices don't drop on physical games, only digital games>Devs will naturally pass on the manufacturing savings to the consumer>Publishers will only be aware of their competitors' libraries if they aren't competing for shelf spaceMasterful trolling. I can do nothing but kneel.
>>745371734>formerhe doesn't work in the industry anymore.
>>745371734Guys I'm not even trying to sound like an asshole, take this as a friendly heart to heart. If you genuinely think this will lower prices for digital games and DLC on PSN, you're a colossal fool. An actual drooling nincompoop incapable of rational thought.Stop being like this. Please.
>>745371734big zozzle
>>745371734how dumb do you need to be to believe that?
>people will actually believe this
>>745371734>https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/03/epic-ceo-youre-going-to-see-lower-prices-on-epic-games-store/>“after you go through several cycles of game developers making decisions, you’re going to see lower prices as developers pass on the savings to customers, realizing they can sell more copies if they have a better price">EGS frequently has significantly higher prices than steam despite offering less for the consumerOh look! It's another lying piece of shit CEO trying to trick people into thinking that a bad thing might end up being good in the future (it won't)
>>745371734>>745371763>be slimy faggot>lie to people
>>745394065>get reminded EGS exists>open it to see what the free games are now and coming up>instantly close EGS I do this every month or so, I think the last free game I got from them was a year ago because 90% of what they offer is shovelware trash
>>745394186forgot pic of this months bargain bin shit that no one cares about
>>745389385I see. I usually only get physical for ps, but I have an xbox, so maybe I’ll go that way instead when something interesting comes out.
>SquareEnix employee is retardedWow what a scoop
>>745371734Haha yeah no that will never happen.I've already decided to stop supporting Sony, but I will keep my PS5 around for the games I already bought for it.
>>745394186Did you get Hogwarts Legacy? They put it up twice.
>Former sony cocksucker sucks sony cockShocking.
>shrinkflation and enshittification aren't real bro>companies totally aren't going to sell you the cheapest product they can for the highest price, stop being so antisemitic
>>745371734If this was so true they'd do it now to relieve the worries and frustrations people have had with them in the past month. But they won't.
>>745371763Me when I lie
>>745383526What Capcom's is doing is unique and there is a huge question mark about its long term viability. They churn out very similar built games (small scale 3D person action titles) in tandem with remakes of their older games in a similar manner. Using a specific engine they custom made for it. The last bit is their games get very cheap very fast and pretty much sale all year around with a sizeable back catalog which is dirt cheap now.Since most of their income comes from the Resident Evil franchise there comes the question what will happen ifA, people get bored with itB, they run out of old games to remakeC, everyone already owns the back catalog on multiple platforms nowThe moment they can't afford the race to the bargain bin, the moment RE stumbles their entire portfolio is at risk.
>>745383262>Nobody is buying a physical video game to "play it" in the big 26.I do. I keep a few games I love but otherwise I buy them for cheap and sell them so I have money for other things. Killing physical is actually hurting my wallet and I don't even begin on delistings or various regional restrictions I could get around by using physical.
>>745371763Nonsense. Epic claimed the same and when ff7re was exclusive to their store, it was the first ever 79,99 euro game on pc
>>745379342How was your coma? PC gaming hasn't had steep discounts for roughly a decade. Developers on Steam used to run 75% discounts and then slash it to 90% on flash sales. Now when summer sales come around, everthing is 10%-25% off with very few games breaching 50%. It's been a talking point for many years that many games never even go on sale at all.
>>745371734I'll believe it when I see it.
>>745371734it will be a dollar cheaper since you don't have to pay for the cardbord with the game key. But they will increase the price by $10 again because video games are expensive to make.
>>745397848Capcom has been doing that from the very beginning anon. They churned out yearly Megaman games for literal decades.
>guy who works for big company says buying things will be goodwho would OF thunked
>>745371734Oh, I get it! Games will be more expensive to make, so the $100+ price tag is actually a BARGAIN!This is what Snoys actually believe.
yes of course trust 'em its totally in the consumers benefit
>>745371734And this is why he's the FORMER financial exec. Shareholders aren't going to listen to an exec that says "lower the prices" because the word "lower" sounds opposite of "LINE GOES UP".
>>745371734Oy vey!
>>745371734No it won't
>>745371734I remember when buying digital was supposed to halve the cost of video games. Sony peddled that lie too.
>>745399236>EXPERTS say unsubscribing to the billion dollar company won't make any real difference>just stay subscribed to the billion dollar company anyways, cause like, why not?
>>745372647good old virtual joe
If prices go down then I'm fine with dropping physical media. But they won't.
>>745371734Yeah, so games are going to be 80$ instead of 100$ now
>>745399861You're missing the hustle. Games will actually cost $150, but since the companies don't have to pay the cost of physical media any more, so the price will drop to $115. Aren't you glad that you get to save some money on your vidya, Anon?
>be me>have a masters in economics>wake up on a saturday morning and see this retardationI'm fucking out bro.. No wonder the only ones willing to pay this moron were squeenix.
>>745371734why is GTA6 $100 for the base game then retard? lmfao
>Old game>Check PSN>They want full price when it was on sale 39 bucks>Check retail new >19.99 usd>2nd hand >14.99 usdImagine genuinely getting gaslight by these cocksucker journalists
>>745397848>Having a consistent track record that everyone is aware of and continuously attracts new customers who will ponder purchasing your preposterous assortment of games is a bad thing actually because their games don't individually sell to a handful of fanatics for 80$ in the first two weeks of sales
>>745371734yeah no one has an intelligent reply to that. guess he is right.
>>745371734HahahaI’ve heard that one beforeThey only mean they’ll make more profit, not that you’ll pay less
>>745371734>Square Enix financial exec says
>>745400758>Do not believe what you have experienced or seen for yourself, believe in my wordsJim Jones People's temple tier cultists
>>745400758all 2nd hand physical games of current gen will always be cheaper these faggots are lying rats
>>745400935at least jim jones told people they were going to the kingdom of heaven what the fuck do snoys and their shills offer them? fucking nothing not even psn vouchers lmao
>>745371734He lied as naturally as he breathed
>>745371734I have not seen a single price decrease yet.
>>745371734>some dude has a lie to tell
>>745371734>the big 27>prices of ANYTHING going downlollmao
>new playstation hardware going to be subsidized by sony and will be affordable even for monkeys living in corrugated sheet huts with dirt floors>playstation store going to have better deals than steam>once in a lifetime single player cinematic experiences exclusive to sony every yearsony doesn't have to pretend anymore...
>>745401327You are never going to see it, it was totally going to happen but you see inflation and increasing costs of electricity due to AI boom stopped it.SONY executives were truly crying their eyes out because they couldnt pass the savings on to the consumer.
>>745371734Yeah right, that's what they always said and then it gets 4 bucks cheaper for 3 months after which they increase the price again due to games getting so darn expensive to develop!(Even though tools are better than ever, even though they outsource to India, even though AI makes some stuff cheaper, and they pay way too much money for assets.)
Selling on steam has a lower ROI because steam takes a larger cut of every single copy sold than a disk manufacturer and retailer does. Therefore we can only expect prices to rise, not fall.
>>745371734Who believes this? We already heard that digital games should have cost less because they didn't have to produce the disc and the case.
>>745401545Snoys
>>745371734where have i heard that one beforeoh yeahtim the cuck sweeny said the same thing about the 30% store cut and yet games are way more expensive now
>COVID KILLED PHYSICAL!!!!>I still went to stores buying food, appliances etc>Postal services were better staffed than ever and I ended up getting retail games I ordered day oneI'm always confused when I read shit about this. Hell I ended up getting FFVII Remake 1 week before the official release date.
>>745371734>cheaper>financial execI don't have a reaction image for this.
He's right that pressure from different stores cause prices to go down but he misses the goddamn point of how physical games has more pressure due to the vast variety of retailers competing with each other which is how you can find physical games cheaper than digital most of the time. By removing physical games from distribution it just means less overall competition and prices will be static forever.
>>745372647The only thing sadder than the Dems puppetting the corpse of Joe Biden as presidential candidate... is the Reps endlessly digging up the corpse of Biden as a deflection tactic for the misbehaviours of their own geriatric deranged presidentIt's a country of 300,000,000,000 people and somehow neither party can get a normal, sane, compus mentus, boring, 30-50 year old, white dude in officeUSA needs mandatory presidency mental acuity tests held before the presidential debate, with randomised answers, so doddering old fucks can't be coachedThey also need preferential voting, and maybe even term limits for people over 80I'm sick of seeing the helm of the US world hegemony steered by dudes who couldn't steer a mobility scooter.
>>745401354Nigger
I don't trust the federal or local government, I'll totally trust the Sony Coeöort.
>>745371734there won't be any incentive to make it cheaper when it's a closed garden. if snoys allowed steam, gog, epic, microsoft and nintendo to set their stores as well then there would be one.
>SONY promises to make digital purchases cheaper!Yeah right.
