Idk whope game's fucking retarded, something I figured out when I was 14. I thought Kinzo Ushiromiya was a hilarious until I learned much later he used to rape his bastard son daily into trooning out, and that's who Beatrice is. I fucking hate Ryukishi.

>>745406843
Whole game's fucking retarded*
Hilarious meme man*

>>745406734
Eva is a stupid bitch cunt tbf and was also helping the culprit here

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>>745406734
Butthurt over being infertile
Treated like shit by her in-laws

>>745406843
goddamn you're a retarded nigger

>>745406963
>spoiler
Literally who WASN'T?? Game is so full of fucking twists that pretty much every single character was "in on ot" and just pretended or legitimately thought that the others weren't. God. The more I think about this game the more I hate it.

>>745406734
her malfunctioning womb

>>745407032
Fuck off retard, everything I said is right. That's the big twist. Beatrice is Kinzo's secret son that he raped every day and mindbroke him into trooning out to look like his mother, the actual Beatrice.

>>745407034
Everyone was in on it and it was supposed to be just a prank on Battler; Beatrice used the gold to bribe everyone into participating but planned to kill everyone for real with the bombs anyway, Eva saw through it and survived

>>745407197
>a prank on Battler
How and why again? And did everyone know the others were in on it or did she bribe them individually?

>>745406734
Krauss is a faggot and didn't fuck her until he thought that his claim for headship was threatened. He still isn't attracted to her, that is why they sleep in different rooms.

>>745406734
needed sex with me(Battler)

>>745407407
Ah fuck off nigger, go read a summary

>>745407548
Go cool off.

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>>745407034
The accomplices change from game to game.
>>745407407
It wasn't a prank, people died in all games and they were in on it because of money. Yasu did it because she loves mysteries and Battler and George and Jessica.

>>745408243
Game 6 was supposed to be a prank then Erika when rabid

>>745406734
Sexual frustration.

>>745408243
>died in all games
Died and... came back? I thought the events proper we saw were all just in Battler/Featherine's novel, and what really happened was what was written in that message bottle the latter found?

>>745407131
nah you're slightly wrong.
kinzo had a bastard daughter with the original beatrice. then kinzo raped his bastard daughter and got her pregnant with a boy. the boy then trooned out because natsuhi threw him off a cliff and he landed crotch first and had his dick and balls obliterated, and that's who the current beatrice is.

>>745408532
Yeah, but the events in those games weren't supposed to be pranks, the accomplices knew that they were helping a murder.

>>745408586
That's even more retarded than what I wrote. Bravo, Ryukishi.

>>745408707
And it's the greatest love story ever told.

>>745408886
A love story between "some guy" and his transgender schizo cousin. Eh, could be worse.

>>745408586
No, what actually happened was that all Beatrices were males, Kinzo would watch Beato have their way with Kuwasama and she became pregnant with the next Beatrice.

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What the fuck was her problem?

>>745406843
That made him even funnier, dumb retard spent his youth as a flower picking incel and became crazy because of the first woman that gave him a crumble of pussy.
It wasn't rape though

>>745406963
She literally was the best Kinzo's children
>raised George
>had a sucessful company with her loving husband
>would have been a better head than Krauss
>never spoke of what happened in Rokkenjima to protect Ange
>

>>745407034
What is the problem with it?

>>745410403
She was a murderer and a child abuser and her business was failing until every Ushiromiya died and she inherited everything. And George was such an incel that he was forced into dating the family maid who was a eunuch two-timing him with his cousin. And Ange was so traumatized by her psychopathic bitch aunt that she spent her entire life just coping with her upbringing and almost got killed by her lackeys multiple times.

>>745406734
Why would you even put a coinslot in a gun for???

Always bet on Rosatrice

>>745411758
>murderer
It was an accident.
>her business was failing
It was under threat of a hostile takeover
>George was an incel and was forced to date the family maid that was two time his cousin
He changed his ways for Shannon, even if he didn't marry, he would have found somebody.
>Ange was traumatized by her
Ange is a unreliable narrator, even if Eva really did treat her so badly, she went crazy because she lost her family. She cared for her enough that she nerver revealed what happened on the family conference because she knew it would only make her feel worse.
>and almost got killed by her lackeys multiple times
Ange was pursued by Kyrie's family goons, not by Eva's.

>>745412408
Yeah, she accidentally killed Natsuhi and then her husband accidentally killed Krauss five seconds later, it was totally unplanned.

>>745409260
tummy not filled with enough tinies

Eva is the only good person in this whole story.
>BUT MUH CHOILD ABYUZE
Kids are little shit and it's OK to hit them past 8. That being said, it should never be a habit, let alone your first reponse as a parent. And Maria is a certified little shit, AND the Eva we see in the games is a twisted version of the real one, who was pretty much the one and only Ushiromiya to genuinely care for their child.
>Rudolf
You're kidding.

>>745412623
Eva is a psycho cunt and the only people who make excuses for her are waifufags. There are no good adults in the Ushiromiya family.

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>>745412735
>There are no good adults in the Ushiromiya family.
Isn't it great

>>745412735
Krauss isn't bad person either. Like yeah, he did "steal" from Kinzo, but if he didn't do everybody would be fucked

>>745412735
>psycho cunt
Oh, you mean the literal in-universe fanfiction of Eva taking out her dickless frustrations out on her equally crazy daughter, in contrast with the real Eva?

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>>745412735
The charges, officer?

>>745413278
Literally none, you're free to go ma'am :)

>>745409260
Why is the carpet made of spikes

>>745412735
Krauss did literally nothing wrong

>>745413252
You can cope by pretending Ange made it up all you want, but if a child who you raise turns out to be a miserable, suicidally depressed mess who hates your guts, the chances are very high that you were a horrible parent.

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>>745413206
>>745413579
Krauss' problem is that he's just fucking stupid. Otherwise he's honestly pretty purehearted, at least compared to everyone else in the family

>>745414015
He's Elon Musk but his timing is just off...

>>745413579
Krauss' sins are basically just hiding that Kinzo died and embezzling money, which makes him a saint in comparison to his father and siblings.

>>745414015
Its fuuny, even if he got the money all by himself, he probably would have lost all of it by investing on property right before the japanese recession.

So are Witches real or not?
>The real magic is love :)
Uuuuuggggggghhhhhhh

>>745414589
well obviously, did you not read the VN?

Pounding migraines at all hours of the day

>>745414628
"The Answer Arc" answered literally nothing, it's a 200-hour long vaguepost

>>745414589
It was never stated that the meta world isn't real, so its up to your interpretation :)

>>745415447
That fucking sucks :)

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>>745413278
Being too cute

>>745414015
He dared dream to desecrate sweet Luna.

Was Kinzo cucked by Battler

>>745417068
On the contrary, Battler got gramps' sloppy seconds in Yasu

Any woman in the household could have gotten Kinzo's inheritance. All they had to do was cosplay as Beatrice and get raped by him for one night.

I'm not even shitposting here, it'd have worked.

>>745417658
I guess, but I'm assuming Yasu inherited Caucasian features if she's the spitting image of Beato
Would an obviously Asian woman in a wig be enough to convince him

>>745418264
Kinzo is straight up faceblind (helped by the fact that he's drunk 24/7. Wear a blonde wig and blue contact lenses and he'd think you're Beatrice.

>>745406734
>wombs
don't use that word, it implies usefulness

>>745417068
Battler is the king of cucking

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>>745406734
Do people really like Japanese writing? The characters dont behave like humans. This reads like some sort of defective AI.

>>745421321
Well, she is kinda of retarded, so this dialogue may sound weird, especially without context.

>>745413917
>but if a child who you raise turns out to be a miserable, suicidally depressed mess who hates your guts, the chances are very high that you were a horrible parent.
is that before or after you count the parent losing 10+ people she loves and the child blames you for it

>>745418690
Hideyoshi....

>>745406734
Her entire plotline about being a cheating whore fucking everyone in the mansion except her husband was cut from the game so she has nothing to do and her character makes no sense. Same reason Gohda never does jack shit even though he's introduced as a main character.

>>745424205
If it's not in the game it can't be true

>>745408586
third Beatrice was born female and fell on her uterus on the rock. If she was born male there's no way Ronowe would let him troon out and risk being raped by kinzo, dick or sans-dick.
>>745407131
Kinzo didn't rape third Beatrice.

This thread proves /v/ is filled with animeonlies and mangaonlies that never actually played the game, or worse, that played it without reading.

>>745424554
It also ruined the entire Jessicatrice plotline where she's the one making the prank calls(Jessica is Beatrice's daughter, Natsuhi didn't immediately become hyper fertile after killing a baby, she and Kraus actually never had any kids)

>>745424205
>er entire plotline about being a cheating whore fucking everyone in the mansion except her husband was cut from the game
First I am hearing of this

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>gohda does nothing
>literally started the entire plot

>>745424970
It was brought up by Erika as a scrapped plotline re-used from the original part three that got deleted.
Originally Erika was going to be a dude, introduced in part three along with the purple text, and we'd have all the part 5/6 stuff in the questino arcs to just totally fuck Battler into submission. But everyone complained about the difficulty in part two and the co-writer died halfway into making part three so they redid everything to make it more beginner friendly with characters literally explaining everything directly to you the player and hand feeding you all the information you needed to solve it.

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>>745425301
Roasted, fermented, and aged for years?

Higurashi was better

Every fucking seacats thread only confuses me about Beatrice more and more

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>>745425646
Try reading it

>>745425732
phase two... never...

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>>745425646
Ok, there is Beatrice 1, a daughter of an official of the Republic of Salo that escaped to Japan with 20 tons of gold.
She met Kinzo on Rokkenjima when it still was a millitary base. Everybody there but Kinzo and Beatrice 1 died in a battle, Kinzo kept the gold and Beatrice 1 died giving birth to their daughter, Beatrice 2. Beatrice 2 was kept in captivity in the Kuwadorian for 19 yearsz until she met Rosa and died trying to escape. Kinzo went mad after Beatrice 1, and thought that she was reincarnated in Beatrice 2 body's, which led him to rape and impregnate his own daughter.
The child born from this sin is Yasu, Kinzo tried to give this child to Natsuhi, but she threw it in abyss.
This child was saved by Genji, but got a serious injury in their lower abdomen, which made it so that Yasu would never have children. Yasu is taken to an ophernage and is employed as a maid to the Ushiromiya family. They found out the truth and fueled by grief and rage against their family, and plans out a murder-suicide.

>>745425564
Simply no.

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>>745412735
factually false

>>745428232
She threw a child off a cliff.

>>745424205
I'm fine with it honestly, I prefer Gohda being kind of a joke character. Makes the moments where he steps up and his backstory reveal more potent

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>>745425732
Like a stake through Paulies heart

>>745426598
Everything is nice and easy to follow in your post, as well as in the chart, until we get to Yasu's various personas and how they somehow all exist as their own characters.

Now tell me. No, not just you, someone P L E A S E fucking tell me, because no one in this god forsaken fanbase can give a straightforward answer: The VN, Chapters 1-8, the game that we play... is it "real"? Wasn't the whole conceit of it all that it was all an in-universe/Watsonian mystery novel written by the actual, amnesiac Battler Ushiromiya (using a different name, I forgot what) under the care and tutelage of Hachijo Toha AKA Featherine, based on the true Rokkenjima incident as recounted by Ange? (I vaguely remember Ange's account to the local media not being 100% accurate, and the full details are in the message bottle Hachijo/Featherine found, is that right?). And are the Kakera and Witch bullshit all a "lower plane of reality" that exist on the same level as that in-universe mystery novel Battler wrote (AKA "fiction"), or are they true alternate dimensions that exist in realspace?

>>745429245
And I beg you to please not answer with even more vagueposting like
>who can say what's "real" and what isn't? :^)

>>745429245
Well, I didn't read the manga or the Last Note, so I may be wrong as fuck but for what I understand, Shannon and Kanon are just personas that Yasu created because she hated herself and to feel less alone, they reflect her internal conflict between hope for happiness and despair, between loving George or Jessica. Beatrice, on the other hand, is a persona that Yasu created because of her love for Battler, who likes blond, outgoing girls with big tits. Its not a case of multiple personality disorder, rather a really confused person.
About the meta-world and stuff, its really a choice for the player to make, that is what the ending choice is about, if all we saw were tricks or if we really believe that magic is real.

>>745429245
It depends entirely on your chosen outcome of the story. I'm going to narrow it down to just two outcomes to keep it easier to explain. Either you believe in the concept of magic and how opening the cat box will kill it or you believe its all bullshit.
Even Battler at the end lies through his teeth and says he doesn't remember what happened that day, yet we get an entire sequence showing it.
You also have the red truth serving two purposes, it both introduces "Truth" into the story, while also being fucking useless because as long as the red is logically sound, you can just bend the meaning with word play. "Battler is dead" being a prime example, Battler got amnesia so his personality "died" therefore to some people it wouldn't be a stretch to say he died and became a new person entirely. The red truth existing makes you question things more than you normally would because omission of it is suspect while as described earlier it's easy to abuse it.

>>745406734
Natsuhi is actually the best character in the story and did nothing wrong.

>>745414589
If you read higu, the supernatural is undeniably real and that means the meta world is too. Everything involving the Ushiromiyas and October 6th had nothing supernatural going on though, the witches just decided to toy with their mystery for a while.

>>745430875
I feel like Ryukishi creating his own shared universe was a reckless choice.

>>745429245
it's all differently levels of simulated reality. both the gameboard and meta stuff is part of the fiction written by beatrice and hachijo tohya, but bern and lambda exist on a higher level so they can enter and exit the "fiction" level and "real world" level at will. featherine is at an even higher level.

>>745414186
Krauss was too early. That's why he lost. (money.)
"Investors"... are on the move...

>>745430523
OK but what's the point tho, Yasu died on Rokkenjima. "Beatrice" died. I get this whole thing from the perspective of the fictional, in-universe novel Battler, but why would the "IRL" Amnesiac Battler try to believe in this whole Schrodinger's Witch thing? He knows his family died, with the exception of Ange. He knows Yasu died. And I can't imagine him deluding himself to such a deep level like that, that'd make him maybe the craziest Ushiromiya of all, at least Kinzo was so nuts that Beatrice's death didn't actually set in for him. But if everything you said only applies to Battler, the "fictional" character, then OK sure I get it.

>>745431473
Krauss literally died the year the bubble started. All his real estate would have gone crazy had he not blown up.

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>>745431246
Not him but I think he's working with the constraints he's got. It's a small studio so reusing assets, previous voice actors etc is pretty smart. Plus continuity gives a reason for fans to keep buying newer stuff, maybe he's also just attached to the characters

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nasuhi sexo

>>745412408
nta they’re probably referring to how cool guy was ordered to kill Ange by other guy from higurashi (can’t remember their names atm)

I know shit ain’t real because it was just writing but what is the explanation for everyone being in on it in 4 except battler? Moreso confused about the initial killings did everyone just sit there and accept being killed randomly? Did the servants just whip the gun out real quick and do it? Why would they go along with it after? I have read the manga answers but from what I recall of the panel everyone looks like they’re just sitting there waiting to be shot which I don’t think they would go along with

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>>745432359
Everybody on the dinner room that survived the 1st twilight was in on it.
>Why would they go along with it after?
The answer is obvious.

>>745432359
I may be mistaking it with episode 6, but didn't Yasu convince everyone to pull a murder mystery prank on Battler but she actually kills them for real?

>>745431665
IIRC the games written by Battler are supposed to be his attempt at piecing together what happened based on his fragmented memories and the hints given by the two surviving games written by Sayo. Also, they are not meant to be a straightforward explanation of the events, but rather a story told in the same style as Sayo's
It is implied of course that he got his memory back int he end, but not while he was writing them.

>>745431665
He was just writing fiction, idk. Maybe he wanted to give his fans a happy ending or maybe he didn't want his sister to be so hopeless. What can't make sense is why would he publish those stories knowing that they would make Ange's life worse.
>>745432085
This only happened on the trick ending, and its possible that Ange just went full schizo.

>>745432550
I know that I started off saying they’re all in on it, I just don’t see some accepting being killed ‘ah yes time for me to be murdered’. Maybe they were told it’d be random or something?
>>745432568
From my memory the only prank one was battlers game. 5 was all fake I think to drive natsuhi crazy and make her admit that kinzo is dead (iirc)

>>745432851
I don't think they knew they would be murdered

>>745432798
Probably because he had Ikuko goading him into it. In fact the stories themselves were most likely written in collaboration with her and on her prompting

>>745432986
So probably what I mentioned then of the servants just whipping out the guns and doing it suddenly. But seems like conspiring but not realizing some people are going to get shot would make them a little iffy about continuing afterwards but then I guess money/less people to split it with

>>745431781
His moon property would be unaffected by the bubble burst, he was in position to become the Rockefeller of the East, but (((they))) couldn't accept it and brainwashed one the maids of the Ushiromiya family to stop him.

>>745424063
Eva's the only one who knew what happened at Rokkenjima and Ange was a little kid in her custody. If she had raised her with kindness and told her she wasn't responsible, Ange would have believed her. It was her choice to be an evil bitch instead. But Eva simps would rather blame a six year old kid than the adult who raised her.

>>745435392
>If she had raised her with kindness and told her she wasn't responsible, Ange would have believed her
>Ange I'm not lying when I'm innocent despite coincidentally becoming super fucking rich after the whole family died leaving only her alive.
It's completely unbelievable to a girl who lost her parents, despite being the truth.

>>745428473
She didn't mean to.

>>745406734
you've answered your own question

>>745435616
No, that story isn't remotely hard to believe, because Eva's own son and husband died, and also the entire island blew up, which could have easily killed Eva too despite the assurances that the other house was safe (this is a retarded plot point, by the way, who the fuck is willing to detonate a gigantic cache of explosives in a small island because some person you just met told you it'll be fine if you're in a specific location).

Also, she was a six year old girl. Kids will believe anything, they're not paranoid conspiracy theorists who will contradict everyone around them.

>>745435392
It’s somewhere I think in 8 that it’s said Eva apparently did try to be nice and loving at first but Ange kept blaming Eva and eventually it got too much so she stopped trying with her

>>745436963
>eventually it got too much
Boohoo, the little child wasn't immediately receptive, it's her fault instead of the grown woman's. Poor Eva, to be this cruelly bullied by a sadistic six year old.

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>>745436963
>Look what you made me do, you orphaned child!
>Oh, sorry Aunt Eva. I was so horrible!
That part of the VN was ass. The manga called her out on it.

>>745429245
Literally every single piece of line in umineko is all about serving the allegory of writing and reading fiction.

Battler = readers. Yasu = Ryukishi. Beatrice = final product. Identity crises = struggling to come up with the final character. "without love it cannot be seen" = if you don't trust ryukishi you won't bother trying to solve it. waiting 6 years = higurashi reference

So to answer your question there are 4 layers

layer 1 = fiction (message bottles or amnesia battler)
layer 2 = meta fiction. this is either battler trying to teach ange a lesson, or battler regaining his memories. not 100% on this yet
layer 3 = Real life. This is anges pov (but don't be mistaken, 90% of what you see in anges pov is actually layer 1 and layer 2)
layer 4 = meta real life. this is ryukishi teaching you a lesson about his writing process and how he thinks a reader/writer relationship grows. but then everyone misses the point and thinks the theme is about gender bullshit or coping with trauma

>>745437430
The whitewashing of child abuse in that episode was pretty disgusting, made me despise the author a bit.

>>745425225

Wait, brought up BY Erika? I'm confused. Did you mean Ryukishi? Like in a blog or something?

>>745429245

The magic shit is ambiguous. In my opinion it is definitely real because of meta references and interactions between the when they cry series entries that come before and after as well as some things in umineko itself that hint at it. What I really dont get is why ange shows up at the end of episode 3 but then nothing continues off from there or wtf is going on with her jumping off the building. Like where did she go? Did that really happen? I find the whole thing really confusing.

>>745438815
Did you sleep through ep 5, it was all about how Natsuhi was just acting about being a faithful wife and that she slept with Kinzo.

>>745432571

Wait he has fragmented memories/his memory came back? I dont remember that at all. So Battler's original memories/personality returned? When/how was this implied and why didn't he try to reconnect with his sister? :(

>>745439982
His memories come back, but he has a fantasy mental illness where he can't consider himself to be Battler. He waits decades to contact Ange because he's an asshole.

>>745406734
is this really how men talk about women behind their backs?

>>745440136

That kinda makes no sense to me. I get having an identity crisis from realising he has two different saves in one mind (if you get what I mean) but I imagine that by recovering your memories you'd consolidate them with your new ones and unite your personas into one continuum.

>>745439530

I don't remember honestly but I guess that since the game is so meta it could be an in-universe way to reference a dropped plot thread. What was with the ex boyfriend who betrayed erika btw?

>>745439982
literally the last scene in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-q01sP9f3w

>>745439982
Battler remembered the truth at ep 5 tea party, when Beatrice dies and he becomes the game master. Even though he got his memories back, Tohya decided he would not go back to Ange because he didn't recognize the memories as his own and feared that he would be erased if he met her. Toyha then decided to talk to Ange several decades later at ep 8 tea party, probably because he knew that she had cancer and wouldn't live much more.

this thread is so hilarious, how did I enjoy umineko so much when it's so convoluted. Every second post makes me go "was that really the case?"

>>745440545
Because ryukishi wrote good characters but a confusing story.

>>745437430
Might be missing some details in your memory. She says the same thing in the VN but I do appreciate these visuals. Eva says something similar about how she should’ve kept trying and I think rudolf/kyrie absolve her and say it couldn’t be helped. This does add more to it I think though but that moment was there

>>745439418
she went splat and showed up in purgatory to stop beatrice. the meta scenes with battler/ange/beatrice in episode 4 are a direct continuation of the ending of episode 3, which is a continuation of her jumping off the roof. alternatively, she survives the fall and is killed later by amakusa.
in episode 8 she jumps to her death after reading the truth, but due to her change of heart and conviction, featherine uses her god powers to rewrite her story.

>>745437430
this exact scene happens in the VN too

>>745440198
Don't take it so personally foid, don't wig out and try to shoot your husband and nephew with a shotgun and people won't call you a dumb womb when you're not around

>>745429245
what's real is that everyone goes to the island, communications and travel are cut off by the storm, and then at midnight on the second day the island fucking explodes and everyone dies except Eva and Battler. Eva never tells anyone what happened and Battler doesn't remember because he has brain damage.
The various chapters are different interpretations, rumors and stories written about what may have happened on the island during that time. What actually happened is unclear but the closest to the real story is probably 7TP, which is from Eva's secret journal.

>>745425301
Never heard of incopetent and cry baby tea.

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>>745442186
The diary thing left me be confused.
Its nature was estabelished by a red truth, but its such a strange red truth. Its the only red truth apparently used outside the catbox. Was the real world parts of the conference also a part of the ep 8 written by Tohya?

>>745438393
I don't think it is white washing it, is just trying to show Eva's POV

>>745440309
That ex boyfriend is Battler, Erika is another Beatrice. Remember how Beatrice dies? Jumping off a boat and drowning? And who also died on the same day in the same place off the same boat?

>>745445635
A gay man doesn't hate his beard quite on the contrary, he just doesn't want to sleep with it.

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Every umineko thread I see in this board, makes me realize that men are too dumb to understand this vn.

>>745445902
He isn't gay just because he gets pegged by her.
You do realize Krauss is trying to keep up appearances most of the time, right? The game shows that Krauss cares a lot about Natsuhi and can be intimate with her, but like all his siblings, he's to caught up in his insecurities and greed to let his good side show in public.

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>>745406734
ending really left a bitter taste in my mouth
the Ange chapters also really kicked the pacing in the balls
but overall its good. i treated it like an anime show during a shitty anime season.

>>745446417
Krauss' whole deal is the stereotypical spoiled retard cuck.
>everything he has was given to his by his father
>his money, his position, his wife, his child, even his ideas
>he's never done anything at all by himself in his entire life
>because of this he's laughably incompetent while at the same time being delusionally arrogant
>when Kinzo dies his entire sham life instantly buckles and he's desperately trying to hide it from everyone
>he lost all the money, he lost all the power, he lost his wife, he lost the baby, even the scam to pretend Kinzo is still alive instantly fails and everyone knows he's bullshitting before they even arrive on the island and are all just planning together how best to fuck him
>he somehow still doesn't even notice all of this is happening cause he's so retarded
Natsuhi's character mystery is that she's obviously not an idiot like her husband and knows he's being retarded yet she isn't doing anything to prevent him from destroying the family.

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>>745446196
>tfw to low iq to fall for dishonest presentation

>>745414015
Krauss' problem is that he didn't fuck Natsuhi anywhere near enough.

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If (You) were in the family conference as lets say, Rosa's new husband, what would you do to save the family?

>>745448032
I would calmly explain why everyone is being absolutely fucking retarded and suggest that if everyone has such a huge problem with the inheritance, just liquidate everything into capital and then split it evenly among the family.

>>745447587
Natsuhi was raised by a shrine family presumably very traditionally in a "wife always shuts the fuck up and supports her husband no matter what"

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>>745429245
The "real" world is the primeverse where adult Ange is.
The "chapters" are stories made up by writers in the primeverse, based on evidence gathered and message bottles written by Beatrice. Featherine is the most prolific and accurate of these, especially since she has access to Battler.
Inside the chapters are various hints and other bullshit that can give you clues about the true nature of things. For example, Virgillia is obviously Kumasawa, Ronove is obviously Genji, etc. Everything that seems like bullshit actually has a deeper meaning but it only really matters for trying to figure out what happened in the primeverse.
Also there are mysteries in the stories I guess.

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>>745408697
incorrect, read Our Confession

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>>745439530
why did nobody call out such an obvious lie lol

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>Hmmm the room is locked and only the servants have the keys, I wonder if the servants did it, but that would be too obvious.
>Turns out it was really them all along

I like the story message and it's unique narrative style, but FUCK this VN as murder mystery story. I was expecting some fancy tricks but it's really just 3 or more characters colluding with each others.

>>745448251
How would that help anyone when all of them want the biggest slice for themselves and the actual problem was that it's not easy to liquidate unmarked gold.

>>745450529
I pity kids like you so much.

MUMBAImasa

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>>745450710
I pity you.

>>745407034
It goes as follows
Beatrice
>i am going to invite everyone to an island where i am going to kill everyone because i hate everyone. Except battler, he never hurt me but im just going to make him solve puzzles because its funny how retarded he is
Everyone else
>beatrice hates everyone including me, and told me she is going to kill everyone. But then she sent a secret letter to only me where she told me she is going to only pretend to kill me and give me a bajillion dollars instead. I would have thought she wanted to kill me too, considering all those times we had together, with the rapes and the murders and the blood and the chains and the dog and the knife and the flower, but im glad she set that aside. i like the plan where my escaped torture victim comes at me with a knife and then i let myself pretend to be stabbed to death and then later on she gives me a bajillion dollars. Boy i sure do love money
Battler
>im too retarded to notice anything that happened in this family until the third body hit the floor

>>745450631
Well, Genji managed to do it. If anyone had a brain in the VIP room, they could have just asked Beatrice how did she manage to liquidated 1 billion yens worth of gold.

>>745450239
Well, the problem is that the Beato Closed Room are pretty easy puzzles, without magic there are only 2 ways to solve it
>the doors aren't locked
>at least one the occupants is the murderer
The only room that seemed to have a little more work was the Gohda-Kuwasama room in episode 4 where the keys in their corpses were fakes.

>>745450631
This is part of the
>You're all being fucking retarded
explanation. After a point the difference between levels of wealth becomes pointless, which is the point where you're so rich that no amount of capital you spend could overcome the amount of capital you generate. Having "the biggest piece" is functionally not different than everyone splitting what would, today, be worth almost 4.5 billion us dollars from the gold alone evenly. It's way more trouble than it's worth to play murder mystery cloak and dagger with your entire family to get a functionally worthless higher amount of money.
>>745451227
This.

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>the characters aren't just emotionless murder robots, they are people!
>except Genji. He is an emotionless murder robot.

Hmmmmm

>>745452360
Its not that much money, its like 300 million dollars adjusted for inflation, IF they could find someone that was willing to pay the market value. Kinzo fortune was probably a lot more valuable than that.

Taiwan

>>745412882
Me choosing to believe in Rosatrice because I find Battler fucking his hot aunt to be better than the truth of the mystery meat cousin proves how I truly understand what Umineko is about.

>>745452360
Literally all of the family members were badly in debt and NEEDED their biggest slice of the cake to carry on. The only ones who, ironically enough, didn't care that much about the total sum were Kyrie and Rudolph, because they never intended to pay off their debts in the first place.
You're also ignoring the various complexes and tensions that played into the relationship of the family members.

>>745452797
Incorrect. The gold, *in 1986* would have been worth 120 million USD approximately (according to the story, anyway, which actually significantly undershot it). Gold has become 38x more expensive per dollar since then. Multiply 120 million by 38 (approx 4.5 billion) and that is the real value of the gold inheritance.

>>745453262
>I would explain to them why they're being retarded and demonstrate a way for everyone to be able to get what they want
>You're ignoring that they're retarded though??????

>>745448032
not gonna lie, I was pretty into the scene at the time so I said outloud what everyone should do.
>get the fuck out of the room with all the guns
something was bound to happen, plus, no one would disagree with the notion of leaving the guns begind lest they reveal their hand too early if they were really willing to kill everyone for the cash.

>>745453354
this is /v/ no one here has passed any kind of economics class anon kyun
>>745453262
they needed the biggest slice to pay off their debt in one lump sum. this is stupid because they could all diversify their fortunes from the inheritance and even work together across different industries to multiply each of their shares rapidly to pay off their debts and make mad bank

>>745453354
Yeah, but nobody gave much of thought about the price flutuations, they just wanted to liquidate it asap. Its kinda ironic that the only one that actually understood the value to maintain those reserves was Yasu, even she didn't much of a long term plan. The best course of action if they actually trusted eachother would be to just use part of the gold to pay the debts and remainder should be used as collateral, like Kinzo did.

>>745448032
>Rosa's new husband
Ain't nobody respecting me at that table. Not only not an Ushiromiya by blood, but the husband of known, ahem, "socialite" Rosa. I could be the most sage economics wiz in the whole wide world, with the most loving marriage with Rosa, with the most heart-warming father/daughter relationship with poor problem child Maria, they'll still look at me sideways for not bearing the family crest or for being the sucker who married Rosa. I am gone, I die in that room. They blow my brains out while repeating my advice back at me in a silly voice.

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>It's Maria get domestic-abused episode

>>745450529
Cute.

>>745440198
Yeah, we always talk about how women that we know are fertile or not.

>>745452570
There are no Chinamen in the story!
Genji is just Kinzo in a disguise!

>>745448032
Plow her so hard the night before the family meeting she's passed out the entire day and can't make it that year.