I don't really think too much of it when equipment doesn't matter, other than finding it a bit of a pain I guess dealing with upgrades since they are "needed" but don't feel important at that time, but when it matters, or when choices actually impact something like the game remembering your actions at some point, it stands out a lot. It feels like the game remembering "the little things" like how we used to have TECHNOLOGY threads.
Undertale gets a lot of flak these days what with the autism in its fanbase and the contrarianism everywhere of course, but it felt like a game that was made up of "the little things", though it's equipment didn't really matter, it felt good that the game actually remembered some of your choices.

I feel like games pushing for small inconsequential details has fallen by the wayside more and more. it still happens but it feels like it was much more prominent in the mid 2000's

bnuuy i love bununu

>>745501223
>How do you feel about games that give you a large range of options? Some games just give options for different equipment and others let you have a wide range of control in not just how you approach problems, but in how much gear impacts you, and even what characters live or die.
I theory more options are always good, in practice I rather have fewer options but that are much more impactful, I don't want an action game that gives me 10 different weapons if all the weapons are only slightly different from each other, give me 3 distinctive weapons and give me a reason to use those weapons in the form of enemy variety and level design.
>How much do things like this matter to you, or if you are working on a game, fangame or mod, how important do you think they are?
Variety is all in when it comes to games, there's a reason so many souls clones fails when the souls series succeeds, despite what people say they aren't repetitive and the games are constantly giving you new enemies and bosses with different behaviors, something that is much rarer in the clones which usually have you facing the same enemy from beginning to end.

>>745501223
>pic
BunBun resists the temptations of the Outlaw - 202X, colorized

>>745501223
When a game dumps too many options I find myself getting choice paralysis and information overload. I find myself unable to pay attention to or comprehend any of it, my eyes just glaze over and it becomes a haze.

I like having choice, but there is such a thing as too much.

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>>745501925
>I don't really think too much of it when equipment doesn't matter, other than finding it a bit of a pain I guess dealing with upgrades since they are "needed" but don't feel important at that time
I like the thing modern metroidvanias do where optional equipment usually comes in the form of items that change or give you a new mechanic in exchange for some resource, like the charms in Hollow Knight or the jades in Nine Sols, its a good way to add builds into the game without making certain equipment obsolete, just because the item with the unique effect has much weaker stats than an item you get later on that has no special effects (which happens a lot in RPGs and happens in Castlevania SoTN)

>Undertale gets a lot of flak these days what with the autism in its fanbase and the contrarianism everywhere of course, but it felt like a game that was made up of "the little things", though it's equipment didn't really matter
Equipment in Undertale actually matters, at least in pacifist it does because your Defense doesn't scale with anything else while the enemy damage keeps increasing, yeah the equipment progression is super lineal and boring, but it does matter a bit

>>745502220
>control in not just how you approach problems, but in how much gear impacts you, and even what characters live or die.
>I theory more options are always good, in practice I rather have fewer options but that are much more impactful,
I think I agree, but I think there's an allure to small systems that aren't overbearing on the experience that feel like the things you do in a game matter. it feels like an extention of "attention to detail" when that happens.
>Variety is all in when it comes to games, there's a reason so many souls clones fails when the souls series succeeds, despite what people say they aren't repetitive and the games are constantly giving you new enemies and bosses with different behaviors, something that is much rarer in the clones which usually have you facing the same enemy from beginning to end.
I can see that, though I felt like eldenrings variety was "unexiting" in the ways that dark souls 1 and demons souls were for me. then again I think that's largely because the exploration felt more meaningful in that and kings field 4 which I'd played right before hand.

>>745502535
I think I've only experienced something similar in looter games like Diablo and Nioh, God, I hate procedural loot so much its unreal

>>745502708
I have this problem a lot in strategy games (like some EAW mods) and older PC games, things like Mechwarrior 2.

>>745502631
I really should finish that BunBun fic I started.

>>745502651
>I think I agree, but I think there's an allure to small systems that aren't overbearing on the experience that feel like the things you do in a game matter. it feels like an extention of "attention to detail" when that happens.
I thinking in the context of a combat system, I still think most if not all small choices in games should come with some impact on the gameplay, but I can appreciate an small choice that just changes a single line of dialogue of an NPC later on in the game, that is cool, the game recognizing that you made that choice.
>I can see that, though I felt like eldenrings variety was "unexiting" in the ways that dark souls 1 and demons souls were for me. then again I think that's largely because the exploration felt more meaningful in that and kings field 4 which I'd played right before hand.
I think that might be because Elden Ring is much longer, one problem that I do have with fromsoft games is that they don't encourage you to change weapons, in fact the upgrade system make it feels like they do the opposite, so you end up with this massive arsenal that you can't use because changing weapons is super expensive and if you want to try out other weapons you will have to farm for upgrade materials, this problems is much worse when the game is that long. In theory Elden Ring has a massive variety of weapons but in practice you'll only use like 3 for an entire playthrough

>>745503131
>I think that might be because Elden Ring is much longer, one problem that I do have with fromsoft games is that they don't encourage you to change weapons, in fact the upgrade system make it feels like they do the opposite, so you end up with this massive arsenal that you can't use because changing weapons is super expensive and if you want to try out other weapons you will have to farm for upgrade materials, this problems is much worse when the game is that long. In theory Elden Ring has a massive variety of weapons but in practice you'll only use like 3 for an entire playthrough
that's a very fair point. Demons souls for example is honestly not THAT long of a game at all. kings field 4 is a bit longer but you don't need to really mess with the little known upgrade systems in it, so it's more about the adventure. Dark souls 1 suffers from it some, but I'd say with how much people replay it, it shows that it's not too long to really make it an issue
>I thinking in the context of a combat system
that's fair
>I still think most if not all small choices in games should come with some impact on the gameplay, but I can appreciate an small choice that just changes a single line of dialogue of an NPC later on in the game, that is cool, the game recognizing that you made that choice.
yeah that type of stuff, even in games that only do a tiny bit of it really makes me stop and say "woah neato". I mentioned in another post but while undertale is contentious for some people on this board, I think that kind of stuff is what caught a good number of peoples attention about it in the first place. coming in a time period when people were advertising games as "YOUR CHOICES MATTER!" when they didn't even a little. hell, in the grand scheme of things, mass effect 3 wasn't too long before it, I think the demo was released around then.

>>745501223
Stealth Undertale / Deltarune thread.

>>745503381
>Dark souls 1 suffers from it some, but I'd say with how much people replay it, it shows that it's not too long to really make it an issue
Dark souls 1 is "short" and came out a more than a decade ago, people who replay it already have an idea of what weapon they are going to use before playing the game, that being said DS1 gave you a shitton of upgrade materials because you were expected to upgrade your armor too, so upgrading other weapons besides your main ones was a valid choice that didn't involve farming.
>yeah that type of stuff, even in games that only do a tiny bit of it really makes me stop and say "woah neato". I mentioned in another post but while undertale is contentious for some people on this board, I think that kind of stuff is what caught a good number of peoples attention about it in the first place. coming in a time period when people were advertising games as "YOUR CHOICES MATTER!" when they didn't even a little. hell, in the grand scheme of things, mass effect 3 wasn't too long before it, I think the demo was released around then.
For all the flaws people might think Undertale has, to this day its one of the few games that offers an entirely different experience based on your choices, beyond the genocide route having an completely different narrative and bosses, the neutral route also has a lot of subtle changes, and I think the neutral ending variations are underrated, I was disappointed when I played UTY and found out the game has no neutral ending variants, I wonder if other fangames will follow that path or if they will do something similar to UT.

>>745501223
If an option doesn't meaningfully impact gameplay, why is it in the game?
If decisions players make don't matter, why is it a game?

>>745503698
you ever get tired of being wrong?

>>745504015
ehh, some games have choices at the end that only change the ending cutscene, this makes sense in more narrative driven games

>>745504068
>Most people are discussing those tranny games itt
Sure it isn't.

>>745503854
>Dark souls 1 is "short" and came out a more than a decade ago, people who replay it already have an idea of what weapon they are going to use before playing the game, that being said DS1 gave you a shitton of upgrade materials because you were expected to upgrade your armor too, so upgrading other weapons besides your main ones was a valid choice that didn't involve farming.
that makes sense, and when you get better at the game, I imagine a lot of people don't need to necessarily bother with the armor upgrades.
I do remember demons souls had one specific upgrade item that was a whore to get though and there was the whole meme about the crystal geckos though.
>For all the flaws people might think Undertale has, to this day its one of the few games that offers an entirely different experience based on your choices, beyond the genocide route having an completely different narrative and bosses, the neutral route also has a lot of subtle changes, and I think the neutral ending variations are underrated,
it's hard calling it underrated since so many people are big into the games, but I feel like a lot of the fans miss the forest for the trees and just don't recognize the actual virtues of the game. Fans more of the culture around it instead of the actual good things it did.
>I was disappointed when I played UTY and found out the game has no neutral ending variants, I wonder if other fangames will follow that path or if they will do something similar to UT.
i've heard that mod for UTY "shades of justice" has some big neutral route changes but I don't know what they are personally.

>>745504265
you sure think about trannies a lot, dont you.

>>745504015
Sometimes its just an added bonus. Does being able to heal by drinking soda in Half Life impact the gameplay? Very little. But its a cool detail that makes the world feel real and fits with the theme of it being a game about putting yourself in Gordon's shoes and trying to survive.

>>745504338
>it's hard calling it underrated since so many people are big into the games, but I feel like a lot of the fans miss the forest for the trees and just don't recognize the actual virtues of the game.
For me the problem is that the fans focus too much in the pacifist and genocide routes, with those becoming the only interpretations of the game, ignoring everything in between.
>Fans more of the culture around it instead of the actual good things it did.
Yeah, and thats how we end up with skeletonwank which dominated the fangame scene for almost a decade, I would count AUs as a separate thing but they eventually devolve into skeletonwank too.

>>745503381
Its pretty funny how much UT contrasts with The Walking Dead on that front. Both came out around the same time and both had a central focus on choice, but TWD only has the illusion of choice, which is completely destroyed when you replay it. Meanwhile UT only reveals how player driven it is during replays. This is made even worse by one being an indie pixel game made by the homestuck composer while the other is a triple a game based on a multi million dollar comic ip.

>>745501223
Amity. Love. Generous. Spiritual asceticism. Enmity. Bravery. Frugality. Purification. Simple. Respect. Decency. Chastity. Reality. The will to nurture.

>>745504891
>For me the problem is that the fans focus too much in the pacifist and genocide routes, with those becoming the only interpretations of the game, ignoring everything in between.
yeah I've definitely seen a lot of that so I know what you mean. it's exhausting in a way and I think it makes your disspointment with the neutral in uty more relatable (even though what happens is cool, it shouldn't be how every neutral ending goes).
>Yeah, and thats how we end up with skeletonwank which dominated the fangame scene for almost a decade, I would count AUs as a separate thing but they eventually devolve into skeletonwank too.
I'd be curious what the actual ratio of people into skeletonwank compared to people that played the game would be. It could be nothing special but I wonder

>>745504945
>This is made even worse by one being an indie pixel game made by the homestuck composer while the other is a triple a game based on a multi million dollar comic ip.
this is also probably part of what caught a lot of peoples attention about it. the sheer level of "why was literally no one else willing or able to do this despite advertising it CONSTANTLY?"

>>745505001
Based

>>745504945
I'm surprised Telltale's The Walking Dead lasted as long as it did, by the start of Season 2 the illusion of choice should have been entirely shattered even if the game gave you multiple endings that were all very distinctive, then season 3 dropped and all those endings lead to the exact same point, somehow the games got a fourth season

>>745505157
And BunBunpilled

>>745505067
The answer lies in UT's sequel. Scope, real choice gets a lot harder to implement when you start increasing the scope. At a AAA scale it simply isn't feasible. Of course there's nothing stopping those big studios from making smaller, more content dense games, but they simply choose not to.

>>745505319
well heres a question, was the walking dead really big enough to say it was too big in scope to do it? I feel like it really wasn't honestly.

>>745505007
>(even though what happens is cool, it shouldn't be how every neutral ending goes).
UTY's neutral is really cool, but it doesn't feel like an ending, its basically telling you to go back and replay the game in pacifist or genocide, it would have been cool if you could get a different neutral ending if you replayed the route after beating Flowey, something like actually fighting Asgore, they could have reused his fight from the base game.
>I'd be curious what the actual ratio of people into skeletonwank compared to people that played the game would be. It could be nothing special but I wonder
The skeleton fandom is something special, on one hand they must have some of the highest concentration of "fans" that have never played the games, on the other they have the highest amount of fangame devs and its not even close, some of those Sans fights have an insane production value
To get things back into the topic, I wonder how you could make a genocide route in which equipment matters, since you having overpowered stats makes is the point of the route, I guess the game would have to be built with in mind with equipment that doesn't change your stats, in UT's geno route the only items that matters are the consumables (and the cloudy glasses since they give you some resistance against Sans's attacks)

>>745505409
The first TWD game is around 13 hours long, and Telltale wasn't that big when they first made the game, at least as far as I know, the next games have less excuses tho, they were just being lazy by adapting expensive ips instead of making more condensed games

>>745505602
>it would have been cool if you could get a different neutral ending if you replayed the route after beating Flowey, something like actually fighting Asgore, they could have reused his fight from the base game.
I could see that, if flowey already knows how things are going to go then why wouldn't he shift things up or let it play out a little more to see what happens. maybe he'd take martlet out off screen, as much as I hate that, in order to change Clovers course.
>The skeleton fandom is something special, on one hand they must have some of the highest concentration of "fans" that have never played the games, on the other they have the highest amount of fangame devs and its not even close, some of those Sans fights have an insane production value
honestly mind boggling to think about. I feel like the number of people who haven't played has to be high like you said because their characterizations are so far beyond what is actually covered in UT, but I think a lot of them fall into it really hard from reading just fics or playing only fangames.
>To get things back into the topic, I wonder how you could make a genocide route in which equipment matters, since you having overpowered stats makes is the point of the route,
giving equipment that does "special things" feels like the easy way out but it would probably do some good.
maybe make more fights that are actual challenges and make some equipment that you have to jump through hoops to help you with those? like equipment that genuinely reduces the number of rounds it takes to beat the fight on average?

>>745505775
>>745505409
The episodic release artificially increases the scope. Even if it was only 13 hours total, it was really a bunch of tiny games that all had to begin the same way, creating the same problem as the start of season two.

>>745505775
>The first TWD game is around 13 hours long, and Telltale wasn't that big when they first made the game, at least as far as I know,
maybe it would have been a big ask, but I still feel like they missed the grade.
> they were just being lazy by adapting expensive ips instead of making more condensed games
they found their golden ticket and just milked the name they'd gotten it feels like.

>>745505602
I was thinking about making DEF be percentage based instead of just a flat number. That way all items would scale with damage received.

>>745505998
would definitely mean that upgrades would always have some kind of impact, though I don't know if you'd have to undertune it to avoid it trivializing things

>>745501223
Interesting that this thread hasn't been deleted yet.

>>745506410
there's no reason for it to be deleted?

>>745505998
>I was thinking about making DEF be percentage based instead of just a flat number. That way all items would scale with damage received.
You could have both, sort of like "DR" and "DT" in Fallout New Vegas, most items give you a flat bonus in defense and are intended to be used in most playthroughs while the items that give you percentage DEF are rarer and are mostly useful in a genocide route or high LV neutral, something that gives you 10% extra DEF when your DEF is 9 isn't that useful compared to an item that gives you 5 extra DEF

>>745506320
DEF is weak anyways. Its something like 1/8 of the DEF number is subtracted from damage.

Anyways, percentage would also scale down with attacks. 50% damage reduction is going to take 25 points off a 50 point attack, but only 5 off a ten point attack.

>>745506491
interesting on the 1/8, but I guess I'm more thinking that a 50 percent reduction becomes insanely powerful when the numbers get higher.

Also for some added inspiration, I think terraria/calamity had some decent takes on it. I think the number of the defence was the actual amount of damage being reduced before modifiers for and against your favor.

>>745505885
>The episodic release artificially increases the scope
Deltarune reference
>Even if it was only 13 hours total, it was really a bunch of tiny games that all had to begin the same way, creating the same problem as the start of season two.
Every new game pretty much reset all your choices from the previous one within the first hour, Telltale games should have never received sequels, maybe that way the endings would have been allowed to be different from each other

>>745506491
>50% damage reduction
50% damage reduction is insanely high no matter how big or small are the numbers

>>745501925
>Undertale gets a lot of flak these days
not enough

>>745504181
>>745504747
I should a
Have specified "mechanical option".

>>745506857
The soda machines are a mechanic.

>>745506778
tell me anon, is there a reason the casual, incidental mentioning of it makes you so angry?

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>>745501223
The answer is, I don't care about either multitudes of options or a lack of them. Slay the princess has a ton of routes, Kamidori has 3 main routes and Totono has a single choice of your ending and all of them are good for it. Nioh has a shitton of equipment slots but all of them are interchangeable, don't do anything and may have not been there at all, Diablo 3 has mostly the same problem, but it has legendaries which may nudge you into changing your build to something completely different and Grim Dawn has a ton of equipment slots so you could have one or a couple of build-defining items and the rest are there for you to build your defenses depending on what items drop for you. I could continue with classes, skills and maybe something else. Each option needs to be suited to its own game.

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>>745501223
I love when games give the [PLAYER] a lot of choices instead of the cliches [GOOD] and [EVIL] option, life is not black or white, its a shade of fucking grey

>>745506474
DR and DT are too confusing. People never know what either actually does unless another player sits them down and explains it to them. Either on its own is fine, but together they become a confusing mess.

>>745506614
But the attacks also become more powerful. If the player's HP increases along with levels, then the armor should feel just as strong as when you first got it.

>>745506750
It was just an example. It could just as easily be 10% or 20%.

>>745505775
>giving equipment that does "special things" feels like the easy way out but it would probably do some good.
Actually making equipment with special effects is harder because you have to be careful to not make it too weak or too powerful, otherwise the player will always use the same equipment, case in point Hollow Knight, the game has tons of "charms" (equipable items with different effects) you have a limited amount of charms you can equip, some take more slots than others, the problem here begins with the fact that the most powerful build you can make with the charms is also the most basic one, the charms with special effects like summoning minions that help you in fight or giving the player a damaging aura are useless compared to the charm that increases you melee damage, the one that increases your magic damage and the one that increases the range of your attacks.
If any dev here wants to implement a system like that, be careful with the "boring" equipment, it might outshine the one with special effects.

>>745507304
>DR and DT are too confusing. People never know what either actually does unless another player sits them down and explains it to them.
Are they? both are subtractions, one based on a flat number and the other based on a percentage, like the other guy said, Calamity and Terraria also do this, only some effects give you percentage based resistance but it exists alongside the flat defense provided by armor

>>745507448
With UT fangames, it might be better to leave the "boring" option as is, but then have characters mock the player for being boring.

>>745505998
In my case I was thinking of just not including DEF items or adding very few of them, maybe making it so they only increase DEF under specific conditions, or making them too weak to be relevant for a genocide route, I'm trying to not add equipment that just gives stat increases

>>745508732
>With UT fangames, it might be better to leave the "boring" option as is, but then have characters mock the player for being boring.
Actually DR has a way to deal with this, since the game has no charm slots like Hollow Knight and similar games, the "resource" that must be exchanged is different, in Deltarune all equipment increases your stats, but the equipment with special effects give you less stat increases than the rest, this works well with defense items since some special effects like larger graze area are usually better than having marginally more DEF, but it falls flat with weapons, since the only stat that actually matter is magic because Susie is the only real damage dealer in the party, the weapon with the highest magic stat is always the best

>>745508732
That sounds like something you could add in an update in case you accidentally give the player the chance to make a boring but powerful build, nerfing items in a singleplayer game is extremely lame, so this is a more adequate "solution"

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>>745504068
>>>/vrpg/4056034
Wow, would you look at that. A stealthy signal alerting all the retards in your shitty containment general to come to a completely different board for no other purpose than to waste space.

>>745509609
I just see a lot of video game discussion in this thread. I'm not sure why you are patrolling the board looking for on topic threads to complain about, but it really makes you look unhinged.

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>>745509609
>an on topic thread is a waste of space compared to these threads

>>745508732
I wonder if any of the cancelled fangames were going to do anything interesting with the equipment system, I know Wildfire had something planned where you could equip up to 3 accessories and some of them gave you a negative effect in exchange for a more powerful special effect

>>745510260
oh boy that 3rd one, I sure love seeing that one created back to back to back to-

I like lots of options, but only if the options actually mean something.
>Dialogue
I don't need seven different dialogue options that all branch into their own trees and have varied consequences for picking them, but the options that are there have to be interesting or let me portray a character (whether they be a blank canvas or someone with a pre-established personality) well enough
>Gear
I don't need six different sniper rifles and 10 different types of medium armour or whatever, but if they're gonna be included make it so one thing isn't just the objectively best option or if it is weak make it so it's at least interesting.
>Endings
I don't need 20 different endings, but if there is gonna be 20 different endings they ALL have to be interesting, you can't just make 5 good ones and then half ass the other 15.

>>745510260
You've consistently demonstrated across multiple of these threads that whataboutism is the only form of argument you know. It's not a valid form of argument.

>>745511098
it is when you're telling THE TOPIC OF THE FUCKING BOARD to fuck off while ignoring the threads that are blatant bait of some kind.

>>745510306
I think there was going to be a purple fangame with a deckbuilder combat system, but I don't know if that game is still alive

>>745511556
>I think there was going to be a purple fangame with a deckbuilder combat system
would be pretty cool, but assuming from the fact that I haven't heard anything about it. I assume it's deader than dead.

>>745510931
>I don't need seven different dialogue options that all branch into their own trees and have varied consequences for picking them, but the options that are there have to be interesting or let me portray a character
I get that. I feel like the mortal enemy to this is what fallout 4 did with its "multiple answers"

>>745512340
I found it, its called "Undertale Lavander"
https://gamejolt.com/games/undertalelavender/964328
Last update was posted 2 months ago, they said their team is getting reorganized and they intend to be less public with their progress

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>>745512959
I also found this other fangame that has pic related as one of the main promo images, I don't know how you can get something so wrong about the lore
>only a few decades ago
https://gamejolt.com/games/Undertale-Purple/912401

>>745512959
>Last update was posted 2 months ago
alright, I'll give it a SMALL benefit of the doubt then. would be cool if another game got going with unique mechanics

>>745512673
Nta, but I actually really like branching dialogue and many choices in rpgs.

>>745513347
fallout 4 didn't really do branching dialogue very well. it generally gave you 3-4 dialogue options that meant the same thing and gave you only a tiny variation of the same response.
utter travesty considering where the series came from.

>>745513104
Ok, but fire gf hand holding. That redeems it.

>>745513407
I know, Fallout 4's dialogue sucks. I liked NVs better because it gave me options.

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>>745513347
Too bad Fallout 4 doesn't have real branchung dialogue most of the time

>>745513586
I know, i was talking about what it didn't do

>>745513468
>but fire gf
How do you know its a gf? with this fanbase it could be a fire bf or fire they/them
>hand holding
Seems like the last thing you'd want to do with a fire monster

>>745501223
Fuzzy bunny!!!!!!!!

>>745513832
>How do you know its a gf?
I know it in my heart of hearts

>Seems like the last thing you'd want to do with a fire monster
Coward

>>745513104
The idea of the war taking placing like 50 years ago and every monster acting as if it were a legendary event from a long lost era is kind of funny

>>745514237
Maybe they're trying to imply purple was the first to fall. Its still wrong since Chara fell hundreds of years after the war, but that's less wrong than the tital imprisonment onky being a few decades.

>>745513104
It could work if it were some lost human from before Chara. I don't think it is, but you know.

>>745514407
>It could work if it were some lost human from before Chara. I don't think it is, but you know.
it all makes sense now. the person who was with that monster in the image sought out an opening to the mountain for 10 years, and finally found it, starting
Undertale zero

>>745514585
A game in which you play as a veteran human going through the underground looking for his monster girlfriend sounds kind of cool actually, at least the idea is original

>>745514728
actually yeah I can kind of see it. probably has a tragic ending but I could get behind it.

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>>745514407
>Maybe they're trying to imply purple was the first to fall. Its still wrong since Chara fell hundreds of years after the war, but that's less wrong than the tital imprisonment onky being a few decades.
It could work, if it weren't for the fact that the ruins already exist in the game, which contradicts what the promo image says, this all reminds me of that old as fuck "Undertale Orange" fangame that had one mural in the ruins saying something along the lines of "Humans can't use magic, this is one of the reasons why the war started" when the murals at waterfall state that 7 human magicians were the ones who created the barrier.

i dont trust devs to give me lots of options because they always end up being superficial and lazy.

>>745514802
>probably has a tragic ending but I could get behind it.
Wildfire, but with a non furrybait monster gf

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Reposting sweaty Ceroba tease, for anyone who missed it.
Non-steamy version: https://files.catbox.moe/gpn68f.png
Steamy version: https://files.catbox.moe/xgafuk.png
Currently working on a nude followup to this.

>>745515287
would be hot without the snout

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Hello everyone it's the Martlet Drawanon here!
It's been quite some time, slowly working on requests when I could.
But I can finally share a handful of the completed requests from the list!

Here's the completed requests for your viewing.

Valravn, aka Zenith Martlet who ended up in the pacifist timeline, and met pacifist Clover from an anon's fic.
I'm not quite sure if the anon who came up with Valravn was the one who made the requests or another anon.
The requests were a bit vague, so I just compiled them all, and drew something that included some of the ideas in some fashion.
So here she is wearing tight appealing beach wear.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/f35g21.png
Nude alt with Valravn's breasts out can be seen here:
https://files.catbox.moe/0r95ve.png

Bedo from Undertale Naranja about to engage in some explicit physical activity with the viewer.
This is my first time ever drawing Bedo, and I enjoyed my time drawing her.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/p0k79d.png

Pregnant Wiki.
I got a fair amount of requests asking for this.
It was nice to draw her again, and experiment a bit when drawing the image.
You can view it here:
https://files.catbox.moe/ccpuey.png

I'm still working on more requests from the list I got, but feel free to send any ideas in mind my way!

>>745515287
sweat on a furry character is one of those things that I feel like "should" bother me, but it doesn't so much anymore.
good work on these anon.
>>745515390
you are, as they say, a philistine
>>745515393
nice work getting these done as well anon
There's a lot of Bedo on that Bedo.

>>745515393
I salute you good sir for drawing all of these.
Thank you for all the food. Especially that Bedo image.

>>745515393
Nice stuff.

>>745515393
>Pregnant Wiki art, and it has nothing to do with unbirthing.
It's a dream come true. Thank you drawanon.

>>745514905
>The ruins
The ruins became the ruins shortly after Chara fell. They were abandoned and fell into ruin when everyone moved to New Home. If its been a number of years since Chara died, then it could work.

>The mural
I could see there being differing accounts of why the war started, so I give it a pass.

>>745516285
>>745514905
Also those ruins look to be in pretty good condition, so they may not even be proper ruins yet, just an abandoned town.

>>745515393
Amazing stuff as always, and glad to see you again.
Do you think you can draw an image that has bird Val and bird Clover interacting in some way.
If not that, how about Martlet being motherly towards bird Clover. It would also be interesting to see you draw Zenith Martlet being motherly to Zenith bird Clover.

>>745514728
>>745514802
Maybe the human starts off super strong and most spares are essentially you convincing monsters that fighting you isn't worth it.

Then the final boss is another human, one who took a boss monster's soul, coming to remove you so the monsters can't have your soul.

>>745515287
Roba's robas keep getting bigger, those nipple bulges are pretty hot, nice job anon

>>745515393
Great stuff anon.
Can you draw bird Val with his cock out?
I don't care how you do it, I just want to see it be drawn.

>>745515393
All three extremely sexy ladies, but holy mother of sex on that Wiki and Bedo!
>I'm still working on more requests from the list I got, but feel free to send any ideas in mind my way!
Pregnant Bedo would be nice, same for some Luzma

>>745515393
>Pregnant Wiki
Hot, love the emphasis you gave her belly. Really shows off the dimensions of it

>Bedo
Sexo

I can't stand RPG bloat in games. Nothing worse than having your inventory stacked filled with worthlesd garbage.

>>745516501
>Then the final boss is another human, one who took a boss monster's soul, coming to remove you so the monsters can't have your soul.
The human comes from the surface to take down the main character? I misread that and I thought you meant the other human was already there, I think it could work actually, like a different human trying to take advantage of the situation to become the king of monsters, "better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven"

>>745515393
Damn that Bedo image is hot as hell.
And the pregnant wiki image is mmf.

>>745515393
Bedo and Wiki sexo!
Can we have a drawing of Bedo struggling to pull her pants over her fat ass?

>>745516764
I was thinking of him hunting you down. But I guess that could work too. Gives me Hokuto Ken vibes. Maybe he even disguised himself as a monster with some mask and has been slowly gathering power to stage a coup against Asgore.

>>745515393
Sexy stuff all round!
Could you draw Clover Ketsukane?
What Clover looks like when he's reborn within Ceroba.

>>745517081
>Maybe he even disguised himself as a monster with some mask and has been slowly gathering power to stage a coup against Asgore.
He could just go around killing monsters to gain LV but I guess that would draw too much attention or he has some personal code that involves not killing those that are below him, which includes most of the monster species
Maaybe he has formed his own cult or personal army of monsters to taken down Asgore, and the protag's gf is among them

>>745515393
Good to see you again.
Could you draw something like a megaman stage select screen with Clover in the middle, and to his left and right are icons of Martlet and Ceroba, and he has to choose which one he wants to be his mum.

>>745517353
>He could just go around killing monsters to gain LV but I guess that would draw too much attention or he has some personal code that involves not killing those that are below him, which includes most of the monster species
Or maybe he just thinks that if he went around killing everyone that he'd end up with no one to rule.

>and the protag's gf is among them
Going with Hokuto Ken logic, she's against them. I was thinking the villain is hounding the MC because he views him as competition.

>>745517875
>Going with Hokuto Ken logic, she's against them
oh fuck, well with monsters turning to dust, it will at least be harder to fake everyones deaths.

>>745501223
I love having a wide range of options, but the main things you want to avoid are redundancy and poor balancing. For an example of redundancy, Hollow Knight has two charms which both serve only to extend weapon reach. Silksong condensed this into a single one, which is usually the better choice (the exception is in games where you have a fuckton of equipment like Nioh). A case of balancing issues would be Elden Ring, where most buffs and talismans amount to "make number bigger in X way" rather than much of a complex playstyle change, so too many builds center around making attacks hit very hard rather than having much of an effect on core playstyle. Sekiro's approach is much more interesting because getting a huge damage boost via the strongest sugar in the game is paired with a serious downside, and prosthetics serve mainly to offer stronger combat tactics rather than to change your stats.

Short version, I think it's best to focus options into different playstyles rather than just giving a list of ways to make the game numerically easier.

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>>745515393
Dina unbirthing Clover's soul, and an image with her pregnant after absorbing his soul into her womb.

>>745518028
>Short version, I think it's best to focus options into different playstyles rather than just giving a list of ways to make the game numerically easier.
that makes sense, gives you more actual flavor to the game experience.

>>745517875
>Or maybe he just thinks that if he went around killing everyone that he'd end up with no one to rule.
That makes sense actually and its proably one of his main talking points when recruiting other monsters, he could easily kill them but choses to show them mercy, how many people would know about him actually being a human tho?

>Going with Hokuto Ken logic, she's against them. I was thinking the villain is hounding the MC because he views him as competition.
That works too, I was thunk of the gf being part of the other army because of the drama that it brings, I imagine the human told the monsters he intends to break the barrier once he becomes king (which is a lie) and the gf joined because she wanted to be with the protagonist again

>>745515393
For your first time drawing Bedo I'd say you nailed it!
Loving the other drawn ladies just as much.

>>745515393
Maybe you could draw a follow up of Wiki struggling to fit into her armor because of her added mass.

>>745518161
>how many people would know about him actually being a human tho?
maybe no one does

> I was thunk of the gf being part of the other army because of the drama that it brings, I imagine the human told the monsters he intends to break the barrier once he becomes king (which is a lie) and the gf joined because she wanted to be with the protagonist again
I preferred the damsel in distress or couple on the run angle.

>>745515393
Nude DRY Martlet waking up from her sleep.

I like choice

What I like about XCom is that you don't have a lot of variety with perks, but you can mix and match them however you want. Some of them are complementary, like the heavy perks that give more grenades or the support perks that boost healing. However there is no catch-all and you will end up picking different guys for different missions depending on their perks. Makes losing them all the more painful because now you have to carefully train up someone for that specific niche.
>>745505602
>it would have been cool if you could get a different neutral ending if you replayed the route after beating Flowey, something like actually fighting Asgore, they could have reused his fight from the base game.
The whole thing about neutral is that Flowey wants you to fight Asgore but because of circumstances outside your control you really can't. It wouldn't make sense for that to suddenly change.
>>745515393
Beautiful drawings. As always, I love your style.

>>745518141
Yeah, that's the idea. I think part of why Silksong's tool system got so many complaints was because tools mechanically are just a free buff you have no reason not to use during a fight, with the cost being boring grinding outside of combat rather than a risk-reward decision in the fight itself like Hollow Knight's spells were. Shell shards serve no purpose except to be spent on tools and very rare sidequests, but Soul is both a healing resource and an attack resource so every spell you cast is a tactical choice. Less popular opinion, but silk spells are also bad because healing is much more costly per use so you have to be performing significantly better than before to ever feel safe using spells.

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>>745515393
viodegames?

>>745515393
Geno Clover's pov seconds before his soul is unbirthed by Zenith Martlet.

>>745519076
Those are video game characters

>>745519042
>What I like about XCom is that you don't have a lot of variety with perks, but you can mix and match them however you want. Some of them are complementary, like the heavy perks that give more grenades or the support perks that boost healing. However there is no catch-all and you will end up picking different guys for different missions depending on their perks. Makes losing them all the more painful because now you have to carefully train up someone for that specific niche.
Nu-XCOM is one of the games that does perks the best, they are always useful and fun to use, I always liked how XCOM has no perks that directly increase the damage dealt by the soldiers, at most you get an increase in critical damage which also changes how you play.

>>745516285
>I could see there being differing accounts of why the war started, so I give it a pass.
I think most monsters would be well aware of the fact that they got sealed by humans that used magic

>>745519703
Maybe that monster believed the humans gained magic by killing monsters (maybe by taking boss monster souls, like in the cut mechanic from Undertale). Or maybe he believed that monsters put the barrier up, possibly being forced to by the humans.

>>745519879
>Maybe that monster believed the humans gained magic by killing monsters (maybe by taking boss monster souls, like in the cut mechanic from Undertale).
oh yeah, that was a thing at one point, I think it would be funny in this context if the war started only because humans wanted to take all the boss monster souls for themselves, doing a parallel of what the humans did in the canon, that being sealing the monsters because they could potentially become a god after killing a few humans

>>745520395
It doesn't even have to be true. Just something the monster drawing the mural believed, or maybe something he wanted people to believe.

I feel like the "undertale zero" situation would be both sides racing against the clock, but for the protagonist, I assume he's got goals more than just reuniting. or maybe that's his only goal at first, but halfway through is when he realizes the situation?
or would it make more sense for him to know he's being followed before he even goes underground.

>>745521496
I imagine he'd know, but not care. This man wants one thing, and one thing only, and he doesn't care who has to die for him to get it.

>>745521568
>This man wants one thing, and one thing only, and he doesn't care who has to die for him to get it.
that makes sense, but maybe at the halfway point he'd shift his goal a bit. when reaching his lover becomes realistic, he has to face the reality of the storm that's coming at his heels, and what it brings to the person he loves as well.

>>745521496
>or would it make more sense for him to know he's being followed before he even goes underground.
Whoever is following him must be determined to complete his task, since there's no going back once you enter the Underground
>>745521568
You gotta admire that man's determination, he's going to reunite with his fire gf one way or another

With how much Chara gets wanked in the fandom you would think we would have a game about playing as Chara when they fell into the Underground

>>745521967
seems to only happen in the swap stories funnily enough. Isn't that skeletonwank game about playing as chara? the one that came up recently?

>>745521629
No, I kind of prefer this strong single mindedness that, while driving him to do great things, also acts as this incredibly destructive force for himself and those around him. He's not going to turn back or reconsider, not have some sudden change of heart where he grows as a person and accepts that he can't have her for his and her own good, and accepts his death honorably to shoulder all the consequences of his actions. No, he'll march forward no matter what to get what he came for, and no one will stop him.

>>745521884
It was already established that the person hunting him has a boss monster soul, so they can enter and exit freely. The only one trapped is the main character.

>>745522015
>He's not going to turn back or reconsider, not have some sudden change of heart where he grows as a person and accepts that he can't have her for his and her own good, and accepts his death honorably to shoulder all the consequences of his actions
I'm not talking about any of that. The story would be weaker if it stayed in the same phase the entire time. the halfway point should be where desperation turns into the attack. Where his goal is in sight, he knows more than ever that he can reach her, and the thought of what to do once he reaches her takes root in his mind.

Victory is assured in his heart but once it becomes possible, and maybe even some of the people he's met are beginning to root for him, a plan forms for how to defeat his pursuer.
>also acts as this incredibly destructive force for himself and those around him.
honestly if this is undertale related, that itself should be up to how he goes about his goals during the first half.

>>745522087
>It was already established that the person hunting him has a boss monster soul, so they can enter and exit freely. The only one trapped is the main character.
Oh right, I guess the "human kingdom" had to had someone ready to take care of any human that tries to free the monsters, the last thing they need is an Underground full of monster hybrids

>>745521967
I seem to remember one getting announced.

>>745521998
>seems to only happen in the swap stories funnily enough
Chara also got No More Deals, which is a pretty good fangame despite being more genowank, Chara gets attention in skeletonwank thanks to Storyshift since they swap with Sans, making Chara yet another Sans variant, I have no idea what goes on in that dustrust fangame, other than you fight Papyrus while screamo metal plays on the background

>>745522213
I remember one getting announced but it was a long time ago, even before UTY release, an UT "Red" with Chara as a protagonist has a lot of potential, with them being the first contact the underground has with humans in centuries

>>745522172
What's the plan once he reunites with his monster gf? Also this supposedly takes place only 10 years after the war? why did the guy wait for so long before trying to get back with his gf? was he in jail or something?

Not to be a particular peter about this precise premise but you guys are aware the thing about absorbing boss monsters Souls unless you want to do something else with it basically has a time limit of around the time it takes you to whack Asgore and head for the exit.
That's also assuming that it even works which the game doesn't actually make clear.

>>745522172
>Victory is assured in his heart but once it becomes possible, and maybe even some of the people he's met are beginning to root for him, a plan forms for how to defeat his pursuer.
I don't know. This guy doesn't seem like the type to plan ahead or think about what he's going to do, all he thinks about is where he's going and what he's doing right now. That's what got him in this situation to begin with. A man with any kind of consideration for the future wouldn't have done the things he's done, the things he's doing. There's no future in his actions, but he doesn't care. Damn the future and damn the world.

When he confronts his hunter, it will be because his hunter has finally caught up to him.

If any long term plans were to come from someone aside from him. Maybe his lover, cursing him for doing something so stupid, but still doing everything she can to save both their lives.

>The story would be weaker if it stayed in the same phase the entire time
This I very strongly disagree with. Flat character arcs can be excellent when handled properly, and a story doesn't need to radically reorient itself with new arcs and changes of pace. It can just be a steady march towards a singular goal, and then it ends.

> that itself should be up to how he goes about his goals during the first half.
The pursuit of his goals is inherently destructive, and there's no way short of killing him to make him stop pursuing them. Even you, the player, with direct control of him, can't make him stop. All you can do is choose the extent of how destructive it is.

>>745522554
>Not to be a particular peter about this precise premise but you guys are aware the thing about absorbing boss monsters Souls unless you want to do something else with it basically has a time limit of around the time it takes you to whack Asgore and head for the exit.
Are you saying the boss monster soul has a time limit after being absorbed?

>>745522208
I think they're more concerned about the monsters getting his soul.

Maybe for a third act twist, you could even add that he's been branded a murderer as well, having already killed another human over what they did to his love.

>>745522538
>10 years
What makes you say that? I was thinking it'd be only shortly after it. Weeks or months.

>>745522554
>you guys are aware the thing about absorbing boss monsters Souls unless you want to do something else with it basically has a time limit of around the time it takes you to whack Asgore and head for the exit.
No it doesn't. Maybe you can imagine it having one, but the game never explicitly states there is a time limit.

>That's also assuming that it even works which the game doesn't actually make clear.
Yeah, but we can just say it works, which we have, so it works, because we're writing the story and we make the rules.

>>745522538
>was he in jail or something?
honestly not a bad plot. maybe he was outspoken against the war and got sent to the dungeons as an example, but he'd been biding his time ever since.
>What's the plan once he reunites with his monster gf?
in the beginning? There is no plan, like you said just single track mind, he wants her, he's been separated from her and he needs to reunite with his love.
But as the reality of it sets in that he's actually going to accomplish his goal, maybe it depends on how he's gone about things so far.
revenge against the person pursuing him? Take the boss monster soul from his pursuer and do something about the barrier himself? Or even just a plan to kill his pursuer so that he can live in peace with his waifu
honestly this guy sounds like a purple soul.
>>745522589
ah that reply was someone else
>This guy doesn't seem like the type to plan ahead or think about what he's going to do
yes, which is why I'm suggesting its something that sets in over half of the game.
it's the act 2 that sets in, perhaps a moment of quiet hits when he accomplishes a major goal towards reaching her or setting his pursuer off his trail.
>This I very strongly disagree with. Flat character arcs can be excellent when handled properly, and a story doesn't need to radically reorient itself with new arcs and changes of pace. It can just be a steady march towards a singular goal, and then it ends.
aside from disagreeing with your approach here, and the fact that a character arc is not an arc if it is flat, the story is not reorienting itself because the story was never set in stone.
>The pursuit of his goals is inherently destructive, and there's no way short of killing him to make him stop pursuing them
there's a difference in the destructiveness of hurting those around you, and killing the person who is actively wronging you.

>>745522687
>I think they're more concerned about the monsters getting his soul.
That's a good point, monsters only need a single soul to return to the surface, anyone would think a single soul would be enough for the barrier to be destroyed.
>Maybe for a third act twist, you could even add that he's been branded a murderer as well, having already killed another human over what they did to his love.
That would explain why the guy took so long to enter the Underground despite that being the only goal in his mind ever since the barrier was made

>>745522614
Maybe, maybe not like I said the game doesn't actually make this clear but on some level it's implied since if it wasn't the case you could take Toriel's and in no situation you absorb Asgore's.
Probably not something you're actually supposed to think this hard about.

>>745522752
Its because of this post >>745514585 but I forget the post itself explains the guy spent years looking for an entrance, I like the premise of the guy being in prison better

>>745522935
>Maybe, maybe not like I said the game doesn't actually make this clear but on some level it's implied since if it wasn't the case you could take Toriel's and in no situation you absorb Asgore's.
Not absorbing Toriel's soul seems like an oversight, originally you were meant to get her soul and that would unlock the ability to use spells.

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Said I'd take a crack at it eventually.
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Peace.

>>745522826
>honestly this guy sounds like a purple soul.
He seems more like a red soul or an orange soul to me. Feels a lot like young Conan, although maybe a bit more John Wick in that he's just singley dedicated to this one goal.

>ah that reply was someone else
Yes, that guy you replied to first in this post isn't me.

>yes, which is why I'm suggesting its something that sets in over half of the game.
And I'm saying it wouldn't and shouldn't happen at all. This man is terminally shortsighted and narrow minded. Self reflection and planning for the future are simply outside his nature. That's the tragedy of it. He's marching forward into his death and likely dooming his love as well, alongside countless others, and he refuses to even think about what he's doing to his very last breath.

> and the fact that a character arc is not an arc if it is flat
Yes it is. Flat arcs a real literary term and a respected concept. Not every character needs to grow and change, and sometimes they're better if they don't.

>the story is not reorienting itself because the story was never set in stone.
Being "set in stone" has no relevance here. Of course it can change, but it changing means a radical change in direction. I'm saying this story shouldn't change direction. It should just be a grim march forward until it reaches the end.

>there's a difference in the destructiveness of hurting those around you, and killing the person who is actively wronging you.
Ok? I don't see how that's an argument against my point. He's hurting a lot of people by doing what he's doing, even if he never strikes one down himself, just his presence in the underground is hurting people, and to get what he wants he's going to have to kill a few directly. And that's assuming he even can get what he wants. He may just have doomed his love and himself with his actions, and his fight against that is just going to drag others down with him.

>>745523378
I don't know what I expected but well, hey you did it. the cocky cocks cock.

>>745522935
>since if it wasn't the case you could take Toriel's and in no situation you absorb Asgore's.
you can't take Toriel's soul, so it having an expiration date is a moot point. And you can't say Frisk is refusing to take it because he knows it would expire, because he would have no way of knowing that he'd need a monster soul to cross the barrier or that boss monster souls can expire. He likely wouldn't even know he could take souls.

>>745523378
That was unexpected, and quite fast if you were still working on that Ceroba drawing before starting this.
Congratulations anon! You have drawn NSFW art of every character from UTN's main cast.

>>745522948
I think this guy would've been some badass human warrior. Maybe he was off fighting, and it took him a long time to get back. When he did, he learned that his allies or friends had betrayed the monsters "for their own good" that "there was simply nothing else we could do" so he became enraged and killed them. Then he went to Mt Ebott, if there were any guards there he killed or otherwise injured them, then went inside.

Anyways this conversation is a separate reply chain discussing a separate idea.

>>745523378
This jit cracks birds

>>745523380
>Yes it is. Flat arcs a real literary term and a respected concept. Not every character needs to grow and change, and sometimes they're better if they don't.
its a dumb term but I do know what you're talking about, but the problem is those characters then depend on the characters around them, and by asserting that this character is a flat character arc, it's a conversation terminator.
>He seems more like a red soul or an orange soul to me. Feels a lot like young Conan, although maybe a bit more John Wick in that he's just singley dedicated to this one goal.
I stray away from red soul because that's "protagonist energy" for me and has more guaranteed power to change the course of the narrative, whereas it's a lot more up in the air with the others.
>And I'm saying it wouldn't and shouldn't happen at all. This man is terminally shortsighted and narrow minded.
the version you are asserting, which is why I'm arriving at the conversation terminator statement. We don't really know much about him other than that he's dead set on the goal of reuniting with his waifu, which can go a lot of ways, and play into several soul traits.
>Being "set in stone" has no relevance here.
it absolutely has relevance because you're commandeering aspects of this hypothetical as absolutes.

>>745523378
Good work, and indeed that was fast
I wasn't the anon, but I'm sorry if you felt you had to rush to get to this because of someone throwing out that request amidst the spam earlier.

clean linework if that was as quick as that.

>>745523723
>but the problem is those characters then depend on the characters around them, and by asserting that this character is a flat character arc, it's a conversation terminator.
Well we could use it to segue into the characters around them, which I think is what this game would mainly focus on, just like Undertale does. This guy charging into these people's lives and destroying everything like a bull in a china shop because he's too single minded and short sighted to do anything else.

We could talk about who he might encounter or how they might interact with him. What conflicts they may have with him or how they may view his motivations.

> whereas it's a lot more up in the air with the others.
Orange is probably better then. Or he could be integrity. He cares deeply for his love and being true to what he believes, no matter the cost.

>the version you are asserting,
That's the version I'm arguing for. I think it would make for a fun story. Its a bit like Kratos in God of War being somewhat tragic in how he just can't help but chase revenge until it kills him and everyone else in the world, only with an added romantic twist.

Plus I think him not renegging on this or changing his priorities would be a refreshing change of pace compared to other stories. I like stories where characters are allowed to just keep doubling down, even if it means being a bad person.

>it absolutely has relevance because you're commandeering aspects of this hypothetical as absolutes.
I am arguing what they should be because I think they would be better that way.

Depending on how much time has passed since the war ended in this "Undertale Zero" The Underground might not have a single proper town inside of it, I can also imagine there being more communities that don't respect Asgore's authority and are trying to build their own stuff outside of his influence

>>745522826
>honestly this guy sounds like a purple soul.
Perseverance in UT is about taking notes (according to the ball game) so I don't think this guy fits the bill, he could be a bravery soul or a new type of soul, like the "soul of loyalty" or something like that

>>745524194
Maybe there was some small community of monsters living there before the underground was sealed, and they have spite towards the newcomers for crowing them and taking all the food, and maybe also for revealing the location of their secret hideaway. Meanwhile the new monsters live in disparate camps, caves, and shanty towns.

The whole place is plagued with factionalism and lawlessness. Asgore is nominally in charge, but only a small population of loyalists actually support him. Meanwhile the rest either don't care or are oppositional.

>>745524415
monster food is magic tho

>>745524116
>I am arguing what they should be because I think they would be better that way.
you are "making arguments" laced with assertions that are outside of the scope of the argument., or setting them as the foundation for your points as though they are a given. It kills the fun in engaging in something like this.
your take is, of course just as valid as mine but I think I'd rather leave you to it at this point.
>>745524349
that's fair, I forgot about the ball game text. It could still be more broadly talking about the perseverance needed to do that, but the note taking part is a bit much.

I was thinking more like bradley who it sounds like toughs out the hardships to keep sight of his goal or even patience biding his time if it were in the prison situation.

>>745524560
The magic has to come from somewhere.

>>745524415
>Maybe there was some small community of monsters living there before the underground was sealed, and they have spite towards the newcomers for crowing them and taking all the food, and maybe also for revealing the location of their secret hideaway. Meanwhile the new monsters live in disparate camps, caves, and shanty towns.
It is said in game (I think in the waterfall murals) that the ruins where the first part of the Underground that got colonized by the monsters, but I like your idea, we can always say that the mural meant "colonized by the monster kingdom" either that or use the ol reliable that Fromsoftware always uses when they want to introduce new lore, the other monsters were erased from history, even I don't think Asgore would do something like that.
>The whole place is plagued with factionalism and lawlessness. Asgore is nominally in charge, but only a small population of loyalists actually support him. Meanwhile the rest either don't care or are oppositional.
Man, I really like this setting, not even just for an Undertale fangme but for something in general.

>>745524560
In UT monsters eat snails, in UTY they still have farms and in Cooking With Kindness is stated that food made with pure magic and no ingredients tastes worse than food made with ingredients, I think the cavemen monsters won't appreciate being forced to eat magicslop just to accommodate to their new neighbors

>>745524898
The Ruins were the first settlement. Maybe that's where Asgore lives. Its something in construction, while everyone lives in shantytowns in the meantime. The native monsters don't get counted since they're a minority and the surface refugees wrote the history books.

>Man, I really like this setting, not even just for an Undertale fangme but for something in general.
Well, you're in luck, because it seems we've accidentally recreated the setting to Gothic.

>>745524586
>I was thinking more like bradley who it sounds like toughs out the hardships to keep sight of his goal or even patience biding his time if it were in the prison situation.
He sounds too hot headed to be a patience soul since he didn't have a plan after reuniting with her, unless he did but once in the Underground he realized his plan wouldn't work.

>>745525073
>He sounds too hot headed to be a patience soul since he didn't have a plan after reuniting with her,
that's honestly fair. I just had the image in my head of griffith waiting all those years, but then again, griffith wasn't being patient if he had no choice I guess, right?

I suppose bravery is a reasonable fit. Red just feels like one of those colors that I can't give lightly

>>745525035
>The native monsters don't get counted since they're a minority and the surface refugees wrote the history books.
I always wondered what the fuck is up with MT Ebott since there seems to be a whole other planet inside of it, other monsters living there before the war is plausible
>Well, you're in luck, because it seems we've accidentally recreated the setting to Gothic.
Gothic takes place inside a mountain and features a faction of monsters that have been living there for god knows how long and another faction that were sealed there after losing a war?

>>745525010
oh neat.
that means my fun green fangame idea still has a premise. The idea is basically a magician's kid falls down. Since humans used up their magic to seal the monsters, the magic kid has 0 way to actually defend himself except for pacifism. The latent magic ability he did learn however translates into collecting ingredients for food after every fight, letting him camp out at the end of every level with his new friends. In other words, he's forced into being a pacifist for half the game, until later where he has to make some decisions after losing a friend to something horrible.
maybe i'll write it fully and sprite it but not today or anytime soon

>>745525186
>that's honestly fair. I just had the image in my head of griffith waiting all those years, but then again, griffith wasn't being patient if he had no choice I guess, right?
Maybe he could be an integrity soul too, it fits with the idea that he got imprisoned for being vocally against the war, someone that puts his ideals above all else.
>Red just feels like one of those colors that I can't give lightly
I don't like the idea of him being red either, I think that should be reserved for humans that shape the fate of the world, and not randos that get forgotten by history despite pulling some epic feats themselves

>>745501223
sorry guys can you not do the touhou thing with your
>irrlevant timewasting question
part of the OP, just keep to your secret cypher and particularly oblique references
not everybody is in-tune with your brand of autism to distinguish a generic topic from this

>>745525326
Interesting, Not sure why he can't just attack tho, unless his trait stops him from doing that
>maybe i'll write it fully and sprite it but not today or anytime soon
We can always WAIT

>>745525408
>Maybe he could be an integrity soul too, it fits with the idea that he got imprisoned for being vocally against the war, someone that puts his ideals above all else.
oh yeah I forgot that one even though one of you just brought it up, I'd be open to that one as well.
>>745525484
the thing is anon, almost anyone who has engaged with the topic, has gotten an on topic reply to their thoughts on the matter.
this thread is appropriately video game related, and the question has been engaged with repeatedly through the thread.

But you knew that already, didn't you.

>>745525554
>>745525408
oh sorry forgot
>I don't like the idea of him being red either, I think that should be reserved for humans that shape the fate of the world, and not randos that get forgotten by history despite pulling some epic feats themselves
that's kind of where I feel on it. It's not that big a deal I guess if people go against that but it feels like the red soul is special and makes me wonder if humans on the surface are actually aware of eachothers soul colors.

At the very least I feel like it should be the least comon one.

>>745525247
>Gothic takes place inside a mountain and features a faction of monsters that have been living there for god knows how long and another faction that were sealed there after losing a war?
Its a valley and its humans, but otherwise yeah. Or at least that's my understanding of it.

>>745525326
unfortunately this kid's fate is tied to the holidays. red and green pair together to make christmas colors, after all.
the big climax of the game's normal route should be when the magician kid prepares one last Christmas dinner for Rudy, Dess, Asgore and Carol to share together.
>>745525538
he's an anemic caster type, I don't know how he can do much damage without inheriting a means to do elemental magic. maybe he can smack monsters really hard with the pan

>>745525484
We aren't like those /v/hu heathens. We actually engage with our Op topics. A sizable chunk of the people here are game devs, so game design discussion is always welcome.

>>745507205
Why do so many koreans have like this thinly veiled furry characters?

>>745526047
Western furries draw ferals too. As do Japanese kemono.

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>>745515393
Mamadillo unbirthing Clover

so, someone released a personality test recently flavored as an undertale soul trait test, and it's funny to me how many people are landing on kindness. Some of the meanest people I've ever seen touting their personality test approved kindness badge.

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>>745526330
Don't confuse it with being nice.
Calling you a nigger when you're being a nigger isn't nice.

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>>745502535
Same, but also the polar opposite, where some games give you options, but I want to play the default, vanilla mode set bey devs, even if the options or features are shit, and so I just seethe at the bad game design in order to be on the same page as other players.

>>745526330
Could you link it?

>>745526397
then I'll rephrase myself. Some of the cruelest people have been whipping out the green soul. it's not to say that no one in the world is kind blah blah, but I guarantee you some of these people that would gladly join a mob to tear someone limb from limb while delighting in every moment, are not answering truthfully
>>745526476
yeah sure
https://undertale.jadenthejaded.uk/
I got porple

>>745501223
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/fangame/type/op/ why do so many of these get deleted?

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>>745526541
>cruel mob mentality
>ends up getting the most common soul for 4chan due to mob mentality
sounds fucked up but correct

>>745525670
Oh, I think I've seen your idea before, you said you want to make sprites for it?
>I don't know how he can do much damage without inheriting a means to do elemental magic. maybe he can smack monsters really hard with the pan
Damage to monsters is based on intent to kill, so since this kid has a kindness soul maybe all attacks fail because he has no real intentions of causing harm

>>745526627
>ends up getting the most common soul for 4chan due to mob mentality
what, perseverance? I got that probably because I worked at a dead end job for years longer than was good for my health. Twitter goblins are the ones generally known for forming a mob any time someone crosses what they like and calling for things they dislike to be torn off the internet and stripped from history.

>>745523784
Don't worry about it.
I'll always be outshone, but at least I can get some things first.
It's something.

>>745526725
Well, you make at least one persons life better by being around and doing your thang at least.

>>745526597
That's a question for the mod doing it.

>>745501223
Seems like options sacrifice "perfect" design to give the player the satisfaction of feeling like they have agency. It's probably worth tanking the balance a bit for that because of how satisfying that feeling is, or at least for a lot of people. It really depends on what kind of game though. If you wanted to make a super tight and focused action game that's a bit different but I've lost interest in those personally. Half the fun in games is doing things the way you wanna do them and seeing what happens

>>745526879
>Seems like options sacrifice "perfect" design to give the player the satisfaction of feeling like they have agency. It's probably worth tanking the balance a bit for that because of how satisfying that feeling is, or at least for a lot of people
I can see that. I've had games where I wished I had some of the control to exert over things like say in deus ex, but I also dislike when a game is too open and doesn't feel directed. I want to have SOME but not all control over the how of things.

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>>745526663
you got a point. in my head he'd be hard pressed physically and mentally to do any damage. he might just believe he's too weak to do anything and has to resort to manipulative pacifism just to survive. until he very slowly realizes that seeing the monsters happy makes him happy too.
but yeah man, i'd like to start spriting the framework of characters at least-- or get concept art for the main character and the unique monsters out there.
coding will be a chore, and I don't know music or level design. all I got is a story and the images to paint together.

>>745526725
>I'll always be outshone, but at least I can get some things first.
Don't be so defeatist, you got some good art and we can see how you have been improving.

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>>745526718
Oh no I meant kindness because it seems like the least adverse quality to have for a psychopath.

>>745527047
Oh, I was confused because it's outside of here I've been seeing kindness constantly. I was confused when you said "ends up getting the most common soul for 4chan" because I got porple.
I'm retaking the test to see what I get and it seems to have some different questions.

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>People responded to the irrelevant time wasting question
bad thread

>>745527113
the question is neither irrelevant, nor time wasting, and should be responded to. Rabbits would almost certainly dislike you with an attitude like that.

>>745526397
>>745526541
>Got kindness and determination as my traits
yeah this test doesn't work

>>745527332
I retook it and got kindness by a long shot this time.
I feel like it is a strongly skewed personality test

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>>745526397
>>745526330
I would say I lean more towards Integrity, but otherwise that's about right.

>>745526541
These people genuinely believe they are kind. That's how they're able to be so cruel. Even the most ruthless tyrant will have moments of mercy, but a tyrant who does it for your own good will never rest, for he does so with the approval of his conscience. Or I think that's how the quote goes.

>>745526879
>Half the fun in games is doing things the way you wanna do them and seeing what happens
This, 100%. I'm perpetually tired of game balancing getting in the way of my fun. Sometimes its ok for something to be unbalanced.

>>745527113
Axis and Sans vs BunBun fangame footage

>>745526983
>spoilers
you would expect that to be the default among kindness souls
>and I don't know music or level design.
I don't think any of the devs here know it either, they are just rawdoging their games in those aspects

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I'm just not buying this. Sure I've had plenty of "I will carry the world on my back to save them" moments, but I also would commit unspeakable atrocities for the right reasons. I also feel like I have a very strong sense of justice, but my vision of justice does not match up with many peoples so I don't think that would show up on such a test. I don't really get what puts my bravery score low. I may be in a constant state of terror, but I push through it like the cowardly dog.
>>745527553
based and justice pilled.
>>745527647
>That's how they're able to be so cruel. Even the most ruthless tyrant will have moments of mercy, but a tyrant who does it for your own good will never rest, for he does so with the approval of his conscience.
ahh, yeah that fits the bill. The quote is something like that. Well, I don't consider myself kind so I'd probably be the former kind of tyrant if I had to become one at all.

>>745501223
>How do you feel about games that give you a large range of options?
Do it like monster hunter (where the changes actually matter and impact how you interact with the combat) or I simply won't care, if not outright skip the game. If there's one thing I abhor about games it's fake freeform design and artificial build variety done with skill trees etc that only change cosmetics or on a surface level. Dark souls is the perfect example of this, it's either close combat and i-frame spam or you go at a distance

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>>745526397
>>745527332
>>745527402
>>745527910
the test's interpretation of kindness is this.
i get it, but its way too broad

>>745528040
Makes sense for a community of people that are always asking and providing feedback, and who are opposed to echo chambers
still feels too broad

>>745528024
>Do it like monster hunter (where the changes actually matter and impact how you interact with the combat) or I simply won't care
does this apply to every single game you play, or only games that have some kind of attempt at choices?
>>745528040
it feels like it's taylor made for people that call themselves "empaths". I don't feel clean getting it on my retake.
"you often find yourself feeling someones discomfort and wanting to figure out how to fix things almost out of instinct"
literally pseduo "empath" stuff.

>>745528040
The test also seems to have a really unkind view of integrity as a trait. Basically just calling it being single minded in selfish.

>>745528363
oh god damn yeah I just looked. I assume it has something negative to say about each soul but that ones pretty harsh I feel like despite not really praising it much in the first part.

What do yall think Clovers reaction speed is. say if he was focusing on something else and someone hit him with a "think fast"

>>745528559
Clover somehow has bullet time during the Starlo fight, I'd say his reflexes are pretty good

alright im going through each question one by one to see if i can force 100% for each stat and
>you are often told you have the tendency to pry too much
>strongly disagree - reduces kindness
>strongly agree - increases it
what the fuck lmao.

>>745528671
is that him or is that something from starlos magic?
Either way I figure his reaction speed is probably good yeah. kind of seems weird for a gunman to have poor reaction time, but I'm not sure how he handles sudden surprises.
like having a snowball thrown at him when he's not expecting it

>>745528698
I'm trying to brain through this one but I cant.
Also some o those "you are often told" questions were tricky for me. one of them I thought "yeah that applies to me for sure, but no one tells me that because of how I present myself" or something.

>>745528698
The test is a psyop to make most UT/DR fans believe they are kind

>>745528449
The single minded selfishness part comes from the "positive" section.

>>745528698
>you often regret things said in the heat of the moment
>agree: increases bravery, reduces patience and kindness
alright yeah this test is fucking retarded lmao

>>745529042
there's nothing more kind than calling someone a retard during an internet argument

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>>745529146
THIS increases kindness and justice.

>>745529008
alright that's funny. they must have had it out for that soul or something.
did chujin write this?
>>745529042
I'm trying to wrap my head around this one and the only justification I can think of is like "you wouldn't have said that thing if you weren't falling into the negative side of bravery"

>>745529176
Ok that one makes sense based on how the author defined kindness. If you see how he defined it I guess it falls under that but well thats just rigging the game.

>>745529179
>spoiler
No, it was probably written by someone who disliked chapter 5

>>745529286
does that even describe blue?

>>745528189
>does this apply to every single game you play, or only games that have some kind of attempt at choices?
not really
I usually prefer games with strict design and gameplay, like kaizo romhacks, precision platformers and shit like that

>>745529439
I see, that makes sense. Haven't given platformers much love myself in the last year despite them being my favorite genre. I do like stuff like how in the Zero games, the different weapons let you attack the levels slightly differently even if it doesn't ultimately change anything.

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this reduces integrity, while agreeing increases it.
this one just feels odd, should it even apply to integrity in the first place?

>>745529723
I don't feel like it should? I guess maybe from the logic that, someone with integrity should have known they were up to the task or not before agreeing to it? but that's a bit of a stretch, and asking for help covers a wide array of situations.

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writing a snowball fight between Martlet and Clover and this song kicked in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfFoFKTchoI

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this one increases justice and kindness.
>erm yes, being an annoying cunt when someone's slightly wrong is THE KIND AND JUST THING TO DO!
you just KNOW that this test was made by someone who thinks their kind when its actually the last descriptor for them.
by the way, i will be posting the minmax answers with what they increase in a catbox .txt when im done.

>>745529973
That seems like it'd be an integrity answer, if anything.

>>745529973
>by the way, i will be posting the minmax answers with what they increase in a catbox .txt when im done.
based, I'm much more invested due to your efforts
>>erm yes, being an annoying cunt when someone's slightly wrong is THE KIND AND JUST THING TO DO!
I'm guilty of it sometimes but I figured it would be listed as a determination trait honestly because "I just can't help myself, I have to."
>>745530006
or yeah integrity because something like "I know I'm right and I know you're wrong."

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this increases integrity while reducing kindness.
what did the maker mean by that?

>>745530194
strongly disagree does that?
Makes it sound like the person conflates integrity with confidence.

>>745527037
It's just an observation.
I'm not doing a whole thing about this tonight, I just wanted to respond to that other anon's statements in his spoiler text.

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interestingly, this one doesnt influence kindness at all.
agreeing increases bravery and integrity.
>>745530259
yeah, some of these are just weird. feel its more of a view into how the dev views things than anything else.

>>745523378
That fucking smug ass bird even here. Cracks me up. Nice work anon.

>>745530309
I can see this one affecting bravery. not so sure on integrity
>yeah, some of these are just weird. feel its more of a view into how the dev views things than anything else.

"random internet person reveals his complete psychological profile on accident"

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this one increases kindness while reducing integrity.
the inverse is also true.

I guess I should also throw my hat into the ring as well. Here's a recent pic I drew of my version of Zenmart on a beach trip (ignore the painfully boorish background, I was getting really lazy when I reached that point) With an alt as Anon couldn't keep his comments to himself.

https://files.catbox.moe/tw6ltd.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bmu5wn.png

>>745530497
this one seems like they took that negative attribute of kindness as a rule then, rather than just what someone who's handling things poorly might do.

>>745530527
good stuff anon
>With an alt as Anon couldn't keep his comments to himself.
I will not remain silent. I will tell the beautiful bird how pretty she is until I get a blush out of her or I die painfully.

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>>745529953
A snowball fight you say, anon?

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I found someone who's starting a "heavy weapons guy in undertale" comic, and while silly comics like that don't always have the best track record of continuing, I thought that the TF2 fans might "appreciate" this one.

isn't it just beautiful what kinds of autism exist in the world?

>>745530593
I do not understand the reference.

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>all this kindness cucks
Get out of my way before I gun down you niggers.

>>745530746
you wont be saying that when I kill you with kindness

>>745530714
Chainsaw Man spoilers this scene is during a very emotional part at the end of hte first arc, where the two in the pic are actually turning each other to mulch on the streetc but the black haired guy sees delusions of snowball fighting, just like he did with his younger brother before he died.

>>745530309
that one makes sense

>>745530839
ahh, that's pretty good. No mulching, not today at least. Someone will eventually be unable to breathe though.

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this one increases perseverance and kindness.
which makes sense, but it decreases determination.

>>745530924
I'll give credit, I think that one makes sense because determination is the one that changes things and moves the situation forward.

>>745503131
>>745503381
The idea behind the upgrades is supposedly that "you can use a weapon you liked at the start of the game at the end instead of having to switch to a more powerful one", but the way upgrades work means that your current weapon is almost always the most powerful thing you have to use.

It would make sense that weapons you get later on would be easier to upgrade to or use at higher levels sooner, but that you have the option to rework starter weapons into things with ultimate power later on, meaning you have incentive to switch, but the game still delivers the promise that you can ultimately play through with your prefered moveset.

>>745530989
>but the game still delivers the promise that you can ultimately play through with your prefered moveset.
there's a lot of value to this, but it comes at the cost of feeling like you have different tools that are best to switch to for given situations I think.

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Fascinating little toy, this is.
I do believe most would strongly disagree with its results, however.

>>745530551
Thanks anon, I appreciate it and salute your bravery.

>>745531123
personality tests can be fun to play around with, but I find them frustrating in how many times I've seen people take them, get an answer that contradicts every living breath they take, and then try to really lay the results on thick in their actions for a while.

>>745531161
Are you like 15 and hanging around 15 year olds?

>>745515393
How about something similar to this image drawn by another drawanon.
Where Zenith Martlet is standing over Clover before she unbirths him.
https://files.catbox.moe/qdk6px.jpg

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I love your turn to die because the heavy choices you make actually do matter

>>745531193
>Are you like 15 and hanging around 15 year olds?
no, that behavior doesn't just go away in a lot of people. Especially when it's dealing with it in the workplace.
>>745531202
I saw that game making the rounds on /v/ a while back, but I never really got a good grasp of what kind of game it actually was.

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>>745530527
Its nice, but the lines are a bit hard to pick out

>>745531161
Well, I'm nothing like that. This test is amusing, but it won't influence my actions any.
Frankly, I'm surprised there isn't a "soulless" result.

>>745531237
Your Turn To Die (YTTD/Kimi Ga Shine) is an adventure game/visual novel hybrid, think like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa, Zero Escape but it's made in RPG maker.
I mentioned the three game series above because it's very clearly inspired by them. Anyway even some smaller choices actually affect how certain characters will behave (the bongos come to mind, you'll understand if you do play it)

>>745531278
Lmao anon, incoming with the steel chair to break my metaphorical kneecaps again. Maybe next time I'll try something else but I liked those colors.

>>745531392
>Your Turn To Die (YTTD/Kimi Ga Shine) is an adventure game/visual novel hybrid, think like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa, Zero Escape but it's made in RPG maker.
huh, neat. I can honestly picture pretty well what you're talking about based on those
>you'll understand if you do play it)
i'll definitely keep it in my back pocket. I go through those random phases of deeply craving wildly different genres of games sometimes.

>>745531393
I think I said this last time, but my solution for that sort of problem is to either do a bright colored line, or to have two lines go around everything, one light and one dark, that way it stands out no matter what.

Anyways, I'll spare you the wrath of my autism... for now.

>>745531283
it should have had a soulless option so that if you got it, I could have said it was wrong because the test is shit!
ha!

>>745531549
What?

>>745531489
All good anon. It's just one autism fighting against another, with me preferring the dark colored lineart but understanding the problem on your end too. A friend suggested using two different colors for lineart, one for inner body one for outer lines and it helped but it didn't feel too right with me. Once I like something I'm very stubborn about changing it. Though next pic she'll be in the issue might not be too present since she'll be wearing clothing.

>>745531592
I'm calling you soulful or something, I don't know.

>>745501223
This rabbit isn't even cute.

>>745531393
Not that anon but maybe you could try to make the lines lighter rather than darker?
I'm sure there are guides on how to make lines come out more when the object also has dark colors: the drawing is nice, but dark lines on a dark body is a bit hard to see is all.

>>745531623
Oh, for a moment I thought you were trying to write that like a Statler and Waldorf bit.

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>>745527830
i pooped out ideas with my mouse
now to seperate them into actual character concepts
tomorrow or maybe two months from now