Is it worth it to learn Japanese so you can play games without localisation?
Localizers are not human, and do not have human rights.
>>745569381gyarus were not gen z, they were millennials i use past tense because that shit is dead now, like scene or emocould have just used early-mid 2000s internet speak or just do what everyone does and make them valley girls
I downloaded one of those OCR dictionaries so that I can mess around with Japanese media. See how far I can get when I don't have to draw them in Jisho to know what a sentence is talking about
>>745569381the image is not wrong btw, for some reason everyone outside of japan thinks gyaru = some slut with over the top body wearing leopard pattern underwear.
>>745569897>gyaru = some slut with over the top body wearing leopard pattern underwear.Yes it does and it's PEAK, also describes playboys with a tan and blonde hair
>gyarus aren't well known so just make them 20 year old brain rotted zoomersfucking retards don't know beach bums or bimbos
>>745569897When the japanese saw american woman going topless outside and protest angrily about patriarchy, they asked why they behave like that. The american answered, wdym, it's a normal gal thing. Since then the japanese called woman who inspired by american way of life, a gyaru(gal). A gyaru basically just an american.
>>745569381Isn't the purpose of this is to introduce japanese CULTURE? Why would you change it? Even fucking chink games have to force their chingchong culture on you because there is no western equivalent to say xianxia or cultivation shit. Why would japanese pop culture have to be changed?
>>745569897>for some reason everyone outside japan thinks gyaru are the things that everyone in japan calls gyaruYou might be confusing "gyaru" for "ganguro" from the 2000s which is where the current image of gyaru is watered down from.>>745571290Gyaru has nothing at all to do with the west, it's an entirely japanese thing, other than I suppose fashion in general having western influence.
>>745571446Like seriously, chink games like genshin have 2000s tier TL notes just to explain to you what particular phrases, idioms or concepts mean because the average timmy otherwise has no idea what the fuck that means, meanwhile western localizers giving japanese games the 4Kids treatment and turning them into american media.
>>745569381Did they just equate gyarus and gen-z? Seriously? What the fuck do they have in common?
>>745571683Nothing. They can't accept that cultures are different for a reason. Just like how the fata morgana localizers translated a male tsundere into a fragile male insecurity.
>>745571629>the average timmyit's not white people who have problems with it, it's the brownoids and the darkies and the trannies that are spiritually black
>>745571683Like the image is implying, the manner of speaking. Heavy usage of net-based slang terms that sound like complete nonsense if you're over a certain age.I don't particularly like a lot of localization decisions, but having gyaru speak like zoomers isn't far off. That's pretty much what they're doing, using a bunch of annoying and cringey memespeak. It's cringey in japanese too.
>>745569381Leftists will complain about culture 24/7 but then admit to flattening and erasing other cultures for bullshit reasons.
>>745569381No, Jesus, not unless you're so into that specific culture you plan on integrating into it.
>>745575398Who the fuck starts a conversation like this? I just sat down.
just have them be gyaruswho cares if americans don't get the reference.this is the reason for jelly doughnuts btw>we perceive our target demographic to be uncultured retards who are incapable of accepting anything they're not immediately familiar with, we must dumb it down for them and make it familiari have nothing but contempt for localizers.
>>745575573Like another poster mentioned this is a lot of internet hand-me-down talk that's mistaking ganguro fashion for gyaru mannerismsGyarus are seen as annoying zoomers and so the decision to localize the character as a zoomer is the closest approximation
>>745569381It's absolutely worth it. However, you should also hope that all localizers be replaced with AI, because otherwise you can't discuss games with your friends, cuz they played the fanfiction version of the game.You should also buy only the Japanese version, and pirate all global versions, because why would you buy a game infected with EN scripts.
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>>745575751>you should also hope that all localizers be replaced with AI
At this point in my studies I have gone from thinking localizers are terrible to understanding that they do a competent job. I just have to trust their do their job in good faith..
>>745575761Decent enough approximation of the original script having them speak in entirely katakana, which is to say out loud they're supposed to sound like dipshits with something obviously wrong with them
>>745576095Holy shit, this tripped my MD5 filters from FFXIV threads.
>>745575834>in good faithWhen "role models" of the industry like Koji Fox and Smith are acting like this, your faith is misplaced.
>>745569381>Client buy a japanese game>Made by japanese peoples>For japanese peoples>Hmmm, he probably looking for something not japanese
>>745576189Peoples like him should be executed for crime against humanity
>>745576470You know what the Japanese side of that thought in XI and when they did it again for FFXIV"Hey why are our item descriptions so fucking boring compared to the English ones"
>>745569897The image is wrong because Helios is gyaru-ish but more importantly she speaks nonsense made up gyaru slang that only has meaning to her. Gen z slang has meaning to them so it doesn't work.
How good are you at Japanese anon?
>>745569381>Is it worth it to learn Japanese so you can play games without localisation?I feel like there would be a lot more you would want to do before you'd no life games
>>745576601like what
>>745569381Learning Chinese to play Chinese games is more future proof if you have to learn a gook language.
No
>>745569381I actually did put effort into learning japanese and reached a level where I'm able to read untranslated visual novels and JRPGs, and found out the majority was slop. Worst waste of time ever, the only way I can salvage the time lost is if I chadmaxx and find a japanese gf or something.
>>745571536The term gyaru is literally a transliteration of Gal, RETARD
>>745569556Most gyarus are portrayed upbeat and energetic not sure how gyaru=Gen Z? Marin is the most famous gyaru currently even if the original subculture isn't that much around anymore.
>>745575751>be replaced with AI, because otherwise you can't discuss games with your friendsI wish that were the case, but I know AI translations wouldn't fix that. Localizers will always exist even if a machine is translating for them. Dubs will always exist as long as millions of mouth breathers demand them, and scripts will be rewritten to suite the dub and sound more "natural" in English. Also character names will be changed so that the dub actors aren't twisting their tongues trying to Tanakahashimotosuke or something.
>>745579635everybody shilling for AI translations seems to believe we haven't had them for decades already and everybody fucking hates them because they're MTLs
>>745570610>also describes playboys with a tan and blonde hairNo, Anon. That's Gyaro Sengen
>>745569381people actually read the story in gatcha instead of skipping everything?
https://speakerdeck.com/cygames/httpsspeakerdeckcomcygamescygames_202607_cedec2026_12?slide=11>Normally we translate Kansei-ben into an American southern accent, but there's already an American character!>To solve this, we invented a BRAND NEW DIALECT using new rules to match the speed, rhythm, and phonetics!>look inside>It's American southern accent without the "yalls"So this whole presentation was just marketing hogwash yeah?
>>745580472"Plain" just means your stupid gaijin ass doesn't understand the cultural nuance of how and why something is being said the way it is. Imagine actually thinking you are fluent in a language when all you hear is "plain".
>>745579405They are around in Osaka mainly
>>745580472It's sad that most normalfags think like Yoshi here. They'll read duwang-tier translations and come out thinking "wow japs can't write, somebody should have punched up the dialogue"
>>745581115
you should probably learn japanese.you should absolutely harrass troonslators in the meantime.
>>745581115they dont actually think at all.its a braindead kneejerk response.none of them ever read a proper translation and thought "man this is too try this needs quirk chungus".they are just programmed to defend the dogshit status quo. nobody who uses terms like mid has individual thoughts.
>>745575834kys
How would you translate pien into English?
>>745580472>"Localization is about maintaining the original intent while navigating nuances"*show them an example where that is not the case*>"Those are cherry picked examples"*show them more examples*>"It's not that big of a deal, the intent is still there"*show them even more extreme examples*>"The English version is funnier, and I do not give a shit about language nuances"There you go. I have summarized every wokelizer shill argument. It would save us a lot of time if these trannies started at the last part.
>>745581179We need to learn for dropping truth bombs while also harassing invasive shit directly.
>>745581724Wasting time by being obtuse on purpose is their main strategy, which is why I just directly insult them now.Now they started asking for people to be civil after years of this shit.
>>745569381What the fuck? Who the fuck is comparing gyarus to fucking zoomers? Gyarus have always been universally compared to bimbos and valley girls.
>>745569897maybe they think so because localizers keep erasing every other depiction of them
>>745569381That's not localization. Localization is like pic related. Realizing the joke in japanese is about all the kanji having the radical for box in them, and finding an equivalent in English(picking a bunch of words that have the string "box" in them even if they have a different meaning from the kanji). The difference is that localization is a tool to preserve the meaning, it's part of translation. What morons do, is rewrite characters because they're incompetent and have brain rot, and then hide behind professional sounding words to avoid criticism. It is worth it to learn Japanese not to avoid localization, but to avoid actual fucking troglodytes butchering Japanese media.
>>745582032Internet centrists are actually retarded. You're trying to sound smarter than both sides but you're inventing a made up definition of localization.Actually look up what it means, even the wikipedia article is a good start because it quotes. Its more of a marketing thing than a translation thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_localisation
>>745582157There's nothing centralist about saying the term localization is being co-opted by malicious retards. And there are sources are that state localization is meant to preserve the meaning. I'm not saying you're an idiot thinking localization is bad. I'm saying those people(self-proclaimed localizers) are idiots and you shouldn't let them define what these words mean because they're retards.
>>745582157The definition of localization doesn't matter when we have examples like >>745575751The correct definition of Localization is "whatever the localizer felt like that day".
>>745582157Localization is a nonsense term.There is translation and there are good ones and shit ones its not deeper than that.
Assign this localizer to a meta-relevant limited time horse and suddenly the quirkiness is gone...
>>745582380>>745582476Pointing out that "professional translators" don't know what localization means and have been using it hillariously wrong (EX: that one guy who argued that translated text without localization would be unreadable because it wouldn't adjust the grammar) is actually bombshell ammo, because it proves that they actually don't have any professional experience. You're losing out.
>>745575482Op started the conversation, now get back in your chamber
>>745581724Every time this happens you also get tweets like thisCoupled with this and>Sonicfox supporting skullgirl's second censorship patch>Connery's famous I don't play fighting games to cum lineIs there a single progressive that actually likes videogames? At least enough to not join the mob when they try to vandalize one?
>>745582380This is like saying gambling means whatever a spokeperson feels that day. So when EA claims lootboxes aren't gambling, they're surprise mechanics, that's just what those words mean now. Ceding language is pointless. Parasites will always latch on to random words and attempt to redefine them to suit whatever shitty narrative they want to push.
Japan has been pozed for like a decade now. It's going to get worse now that they sucked US dick to save the yen. It doesn't matter if it's localized or not.
>>745575894This is a blatant lie. Leet speak is not an equivalent to speaking in katakana. Fucking robots will speak in Katakana because they robots. Do you see Auto from Wall-E using Leet speak? Aliens will speak in Katakana. Does Stitch from Lilo and Stich use Leet speak? No. The answer is fucking NO!
>>745582661No. Every single fucking leftard ultimately agrees with this shit regardless of claiming otherwise.
>>745569381If the localization bothers you, then that's the way to go about it. Localization is expensive, of course it'll be made with general audiences in mind, and will prioritize comprehensibility and general enjoyability over preserving every single Japanese cultural reference. If you believe that translations should be direct with zero cultural or regional accommodations, then sorry, but you're just never going to get that from a professional localization because that would make it a bad localization. Not to mention translating between languages always loses a lot of nuance by necessity. If you actually care, you learn the language.
>>745582661its really just as simple as the friend/enemy distinction.their side does it, so they reflexively defend it. thats how you get nonsense like exhibitionist sexpervert animal fuckers suddenly defending panty censorship.
>>745582843exhibit A
>>745582949>Localization is expensive,i agree trannylators shouldnt be paid at all when they shit out literal MTL anyway
>>745582798>Leet speak is not an equivalent to speaking in katakanaYeah no shit dude there is no english language equivalent to speaking in katakana
>>745583465Are you doing the "it's untranslatable so just make shit-up" excuse?
>>745581179Japanese looks like a cool language but it's absolutely not worth dumping thousands of hours into over the course of 5 years to even become slightly good Fat
>>745582710I dont think that's how it works, they are doing every sign of nationalizing their economy, using national bank mainly, and go back to pre 90's bubble burst, they are building even cpu factories again now, which they should've done 10-15 years ago
>>745583723time will pass anyways and I will still absorb japanese shit in 5 years desu.
>>745569381>gyaru culture is not very well-konwn outside of Japan>When we are literally in the Gal x Otaku timeline >When literally Gals are more popular than ever in anime/manga settingThis people are fucking retarded
>>745583876I feel like the fact that literally every post in this thread has a completely different interpretation of what gyaru culture is kind of proves that point though, just knowing the name of something doesn't mean much
>>745583723its not hard once you understand how it works, the problem is memorizing kanji that you MAYBE will use oncealways remember, not even Japanese fully read/speak Japanese
>>745583596Either you translate it as if the katakana wasn't there, completely losing whatever the use of katakana was trying to communicate, or you make your own interpretation of how to communicate that same idea. Neither is inherently wrong, it's about making a compromise, just like translating anything else.
>>745581807yeah that poltfan twitter account often tears dogshit translations apart it would genuinely be helpful to have more people capable of doing that.
AI solves everything
>>745583998>make your own interpretationJust call it what it is, a rewrite.
>>745584134NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE AI IT'S ONLY CORRECT 90% OF THE TIME (ignore that localizers get shit wrong half of the time)
>>745583465yeah thats nonsense. you can make them sound robotic with simple and stilted speech. could make them write all caps too which is what the language rapists actually did there.you dont make them sound like obese twelve year olds playing WoW ca 2007
>>745584202Interpretation is a necessary part of translating anything. If you spoke more than one language you'd know that meanings don't accurately map across the words used by two different languages. If that bothers you, you've got little recourse but to learn the source language.
>>745584325It's not correct 90% of the time. It's that>localizers get shit wrong half of the timeThis is number is higher than you think is. Because you're standards for translation likely don't go beyond the question "is this moderately comprehensible".
>>745569381nah. Some point soon Japanese devs are just going to AI translate stuff inhouse. Nintendo dreams of a day when they can go back to treating middle managers of other countries like shit
>>745584626Some of the worst translations are already done in-house. Additionaly, even if you replace translators with AI there will still be retard editors.
If you put in half the time you spent impotently seething in these threads into learning Japanese you already would've been able to play some easier games in Japanese
>>745586109>He's not doing both
>>745569381id say learn at least some rudimentary nip so you can easily tell the obvious stuff apart
>>745569381Just imagine a different localization in your head.
>>745584626>>745584812they already do AI inhouse translations for other languages and still keep hiring californian DEI trash, remember the Yunyun shit?>>745586109>impotently.like OP's cock that can't even get hard for a real woman in front of him? ha-haha~
>>745583465Uppercase, dumbass.
>>745583465speaking in slang/loan-words heavy use/expressiveness/rare dialects. that's what katakana expresses. if you are speaking colloquially in Japanese using modern street expressions your verbiage would be in katakana in text.
>>745586308>AI inhouse translations for other languages and still keep hiring californian DEI trashActually sad when you remember this is predominately an English issue. Many games with terrible English translations are significantly better in French,German,Spanish,ect. The languages that have competent translators are the ones getting replaced first.
>>745584386>make your own interpretationIs not a translation anon, even if it is a kind of "interpretation".
>>745586546English translators were never really competent in the first place: they always were including social commentary or other DEI changes. they do have a human specialized in the language checking up if it looks right most of the time at the translating studio if they hire one that uses AI. its no different to machine translation process.
>>745586581they are trying to say the proverbs and humor related to those can't be accurately translated, they do this all the time to try and justify shitty translations when those proverbs and puns are often very understandable with a small explanation notification like in early 00s VNs. (if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. the nail that stands out - gets hammered down.)
>>745569381Today? No. In a few years AI translations/deburgered patches will be good enough.
>>745586531It's katakana because they're mind-controlled and they're speech is stiff and robotic. It's unfortunate that this concept doesn't exists in English. Glados from Portal speaks the exact same as Heavy from TF2/
>>745579405Yeah, Gen Z all look like stonefaced autists, they can't even speak. As far from bubbly gyarus as possible.
>>745584386I speak three languages which is why I can and will call your bullshit out.
>>745569381It doesn't protect you from per-censorchip when the japanese script is also enshittified.
>>745580057the girl is gal and the guy is gal-o(toko)
>>745571536It's counter-culture to intentionally give a western impression just like yankee.
>>745580436It's proof you should learn Japanese because AI is going to use these examples for its own translations.
