>started learning Japanese to play vidya>90% of the games I wanted to play got translated in the meantime
>>745761458if you dont like it, why not quit? as for me, i love practice writing random stories in japanese and then having AI-sensei grade me on it. it's just so much fun getting feedback instantly like this. feels like im back in my school days desu~~
>>745761458It's always nice to go back and replay stuff in Japanese for the differences, especially the shitty MTL stuff Plus one day you can watch dubs while eating
Translations aren't a binary, it's not just "translated" vs "untranslated"It's the author's original intent vs someone else's rewrite / reinterpretation, which may be anywhere between half-decent and unsalvageable garbage.
Play the original so you can bitch about the translation from a point of authority instead of intuition.
>>745762242kek this might be the weirdest use of AI I've seen godspeed you autistic bastard
>>745761458I'm waiting for AI translators so I can just play all the taimain gacha games personally. other than that there's no real appeal for me to learn japanese. except I guess reading monogatari in it's orginal translation for the jokes, not that im sure i'd get the humor even if i could speak it.>but anon the trannylatorswill probably be out of a job by the time AI can do good translations at a consumer level.
>>745763202AIs are already adding "flare" if you think they'll save you you're in for a rude awakening
>>745763471there's not way it's this much flare. so I still have hope.
You should learn Mandarin instead.
>>745764207lol lmao even
>>745764207I haven't eaten enough cat for that one yet
>>745762515This seems like a tricky one to TL. So she says something that may sound like "trying hard to lay a curse", but she's actually talking about being not so smart. And the word that would correspond to "laying" the curse, かける, appears to be actually 駆ける. I'm not sure why a word for "running" is used here but I suppose in this line it still means to just "give it all you've got".It seems the translator here couldn't figure out what to do with this hiragana misunderstanding play and ended up with what's frankly nonsense, but I'm not sure what to do either even if I'm able to see the mistake.
>>745762242>we teached him wrong as a joke
>>745767762IIRC, context is the creepy lady and the little boy (Takeru) are about to run a three-legged race for a school event. So in this case, 鈍くて means "slow" and 駆ける takes its literal meaning, to run.And yeah it's hard to fault the translator on this one, he made an effort but some puns are simply impossible to translate without TL notes.
>>745768812>>745767762Man... I still have a long way to go
>>745766061kek
>>745761458I really want to know what they actually say on their side of the internet. That's why I would like to learn Japanese, to communicate with them and understand them.
>>745774462from my patchy experience the more otaku japs are giga coomers
>>745774587based...
>>745761458MOU IKKAI!
At this point, learning Japanese just to play games is not worth it if you aren’t into extremely niche stuff, you learn it to bypass translations if you want to see the original writing with zero alterations. It’s a massive amount of effort, so if you don’t have passion to enjoy the journey, just don’t do it.
>>745761458Is wagotabi good for learning Japanese?
>>745762242>transitive vs. intransitive verbsI would never use this AI again.
>>745762242>asking AI for fucking grammar advice
>>745768812>And yeah it's hard to fault the translator on this one, he made an effort but some puns are simply impossible to translate without TL notes.He also translated 渡辺さん as Watanabe-kun.
>>745774462well if you go on their chan, they just like us fr
>>745777510if it gets you to progress and be interested enough to stay consistent then yes. you just have to start man, stay with it. you dont have to grind anki if you just want to take it slow and only read
>>745777510>>745778559yeah this starting and persevering is what matters most
>>745761458>tfw grok getting neutered means i have to continue trying to learn japanese
>>745779170whathow are those two related
>>745779203because i could just tell it to translate something and have the original japanese over it so i can double checkall the best manga are rapey
>>745761458If anything that's any even bigger motivation you retard, trannylations are just some failed writers' attempts to claim someone else's work as their own.
>>745779575>the kiss is just for flavor>i used that kiss "service" to deliver iti genuinely do wonder what the fuck happens in "translators" minds
>>745761458>90% of the games I wanted to play got translated in the meantimeisnt the issue that localizations are not translations?
>>745779946Yeah if anything the reason to learn Japanese is to get away from this shit.
>>745780537what the fuck
>>745779575Never forget.
>>745761458you should keep learning new things regardless, improves brain health, the journey is the destination. It's a constructive hobby, translators change shit by both mistake and because they're pathetic vandals that don't believe in right and wrong. you've done the sort of self improvement stuff is what makes one a mature adult, the world's full of mental stuntees who use low effort simulacrums of parts of life to convince themselves they're worth anything, you've taken a step beyond that. You can now look at any Tumblr "artist", ai addict jeet or book-tok whore who only reads dialogue and be safe in knowing that yes, you are better. I would let any number of them die if it saved your life.
>>745761458Are the translations good?
>>745783240the extra ccc one kept the mongoloid linegreat
>>745766061...enough?
>>745782873based
>>745783990We have this in english>The final boss of X
>>745783990ew. every single time without fail there is a perceived plainness which must be improved upon with references or "creative writing", every single time it spoils my watching experience
>>745761458>trusting western localizations
>>745761458>Preferring 'localizations'You never started.
Couldn't he be talking about fantranslations instead?
>>745785774
>>745786052Fantranslations are either very faithful direct translations or the most retarded shit imaginable.
>>745762545kek
I've had two Anons previously get really mad at me because I didn't agree about Japanese being hard (seeing as it's something small children can learn) and because I learned most of my Japanese passively just by talking to Japanese people in online spaces.Like, I don't get it, do they want it to be hard? Do they get off being miserable or something?
>>745788630>uhh this thing you're struggling with is actually easy and basically you're a fucking retard>whoa why are you mad???i don't know why i'm even replying to this humblebrag seriously
>>745788692Instead of getting asshurt about it maybe they should have reconsidered their methods of memorizing six gorillions radicals and kanji with zero context or practical usage or whatever the fuck they are doing instead of getting mad at me and claiming I was making shit up. Actual woman behaviour.
The only Japanese words I recognize are erotic and Estelle
>>745788964>Actual woman behaviour.LMAO the fucking irony of you saying this
>>745788630>>745788692>>745788964Learning any language is a matter of motivation, not difficulty. On paper, Spanish is easier than Japanese for native English speakers to learn, but if you don't care about anything surrounding it youre not going to make any progress. If you study Japanese and aren't making progress it's a good idea to figure out why you're learning it. I think learning it just to read anime/manga is a bad motivator unless youre incredibly autistic because although localizations are shit sometimes, they're a lot more accessible than spending years to learn Japanese. If you find more reasons to learn it and see it as less of a chore and more of an experience you'll make more progress. And learn to accept ambiguity. If you don't fully understand something than don't stress out about it as with enough exposure it will eventually click. The language learning process is kind of like a skyscraper for me, as when you're studying, you put down a metaphorical scaffolding, but when you finish that part of your tower, it solidifies but you don't even remember how you learned it and it just clicks (like how we can't really explain what "the" means).
>>745789613>And learn to accept ambiguity. If you don't fully understand something than don't stress out about it as with enough exposure it will eventually click.ngl this feels like it would backfire horribly
>>745783240Some are good. Some are bad.
>>745789613>they're a lot more accessible than spending years to learn JapaneseLess than 6 months are needed to read manga or play games with a dictionary. If you have any hatred in soul, 6 months and a dictionary is a small price to pay.
>>745789915unemployedGOD
>>745789798You will make mistakes. It's necessary. If you can't accept mistakes then you cannot learn a language. It's incredibly humiliating and embarrassing. My lack of motivation and embarrassment is what made me personally quit learning languages all together even though I enjoyed the discovery and studying grammar and etymology and what-not
The irony is that the ease of access to Japan and Japanese language is exactly why it's not the special magical place it was even 20 years ago. Their media is still the best, but there is no competition. The world is a very dull these days.
>>745764147It's fucked how hard trannylators ruined the entire opening chapter of this game. The rest of the game is fine enough, but it's hard to recommend this to anyone when their first 8 hours in this game is going to be nothing but this dogshit. I don't know how the rest of the game came out unscathed, having to translate all of comedy route probably did them in and they just did their jobs properly after.I will say that Darumi's route is one of the few routes written well, but that's probably because the main writer wrote that route himself instead of passing it to the others.
>>745790098yeah but that doesn't mean you should retardmaxx and mistakemaxx
>>745761458you should be learning because you enjoy japanese and want to interface with it better. even the best translation is still just english.
>>745761458The reason you learn Japanese isnt to play games that you cant play in English its to play games in Japanese. When a Japanese game gets translated into a different language its fundamentally changed and every phrase and every word no matter how literal the translation is evokes a completely different image in your brain. When an English speaker reads the word "Princess" the imagery is completely different compared to when a Japanese speaker reads the word 姫. The dictionary will tell you they mean the same thing but when the language is different the story is different. Certain personalities will have different analogues in different cultures, a sarcastic or brash character will be perceived differently in different languages and you will associate them differently, ultimately missing connection with the original voice and thats the most important point. Getting the story firsthand will always be the better experience to getting a story secondhand or often thirdhand by way of a sick game of telephone through chatGPT. I always say consuming a translation is a cucked experience akin to having a story read to you at bedtime by your father. Too pathetic to read it yourself little guy do you want me to leave the light on?
>>745763202>I'm waiting for AI translators so I can just play all the taimain gacha games personally.It's ok anon I have a translation of every single scene right here trust>"Hmm. My name is Fuuma Kurutsagi, the grass taimanin. I have the power to manipulate grass to my will. Normally, I live on Gosha village as Kotaro-chan's 42nd servant. I'm now on a mission to save the president, who's been kidnapped by terrorists." >"W-Who's that!? Heh, just some slut, huh? Run along before we- blargh!" >"With a flick of my finger, grass blades swish through the air, slicing the throats of all the terrorists in a second. Their limp bodies hit the ground, absolutely 100% dead." >"Uh!? I felt a prick on my leg... Oh no! One of the fallen soldiers injected me with something!">"He he he, you damn woman, that's right! What I just gave you is a specially modified drug we made in our lab known as Sunny D(ick)! It makes you crave cock, increases your sensitivity, removes your powers, and forces you to follow all our orders! You may grow a dick depending on the scene, too.">*the president transforms into a big nigga orc demon* "N-Nani? It was all a trap? Wait, why are you pulling out your... No! I won't allow this! I'm saving myself for my beloved Ryonosuke Bosuke! Grrr Kisama!">*two literal thrusts later* "OCHINPO CHINPO CHINPO DAAAAAISUKIIIIII! MOTTO! MOTTO CHINPO! ORE WA DOSUKEBE ONNA! SEIEKE DASHITE! ONEGAIIIII!"
>>745790741>SEIEKE*seiekifuck I'm eepy
>>745761458>started to learn japanese just because got nothing to do>got bored of it after a year and my skill was mediocre at bestFFW last month>i don't know why but suddenly had the urge to try to learn french>think that its probably as hard as ruskie or german and will drop it after a week>its literally a weird mix of spanish and englishGuess im sticking to french for now even if ill rarely if ever use it irl or online.
>>745790692>he reason you learn Japanese isnt to play games that you cant play in English its to play games in Japanesebut playing games i can't play in english was literally the reason i started learning japanese
>erm why would you ever need to learn japanese to play a translated video game?did you know that in dragon quest monsters 3, one of the main characters is named "toilen trubble?" i know it sounds like "toilet trouble" but this is actually a character that appeared in DQ5. you see, his translated name is toilen trubble because he stands behind a cauldron. in dragon quest six there's a kid named john that gives you the flying bed after you fulfill his dying wish. just kidding, john is his japanese name. in english, they called him "matt tress." i have literally hundreds of examples of dragon quest translators doing this bullshit, and they do it in every game. they also love the fucking word "luminary" they use it so many times in many contexts and it doesn't work in any of them.
>>745790692>do you want me to leave the light on?yesI needed the light on until I was 16
>>745790741the scenes i wanted featured femboys being raped and broken by demonsthey were good fapswould love a nao bf
>>745790692>Certain personalities will have different analogues in different cultures, a sarcastic or brash character will be perceived differently in different languages and you will associate them differently, ultimately missing connection with the original voice and thats the most important point.This reminds me how quiet, reticent girls (Rei Ayanami, Yuki Nagato etc) were often called "gothish" and localized as such, because goth culture was big at the time and we didn't have an English equivalent label that fit better. Localizations and dubs of that era ruined so many great girls.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtAxuVbyLH0
>>745791507what the fuckrei is not fucking goth
>>745791341>love the fucking word "luminary" they use it so many times in many contexts and it doesn't work in any of themThis is a square-enix meme. In FF14 you have the Golden Legacy Expansion. But in English it's Dawntrail, and there's the Dawnservant, and there's a bunch of Dawn things to the point where the word has zero meaning.
>>745790741>increases your sensitivityYou forgot to add "by 1,000,000x" or "100000000%"
>>745791659english translators have always fucked with things they translate but square might have the absolute worst offenders i've seen outside of dragonbaby. what dumpster did they scavenge these translators from? i'm still annoyed over "curious gorge" what the fuck were they thinking
>>745791507>reticent girls (Rei Ayanami, Yuki Nagato etc) were often called "gothish" and localized as such, because goth culture was big at the time and we didn't have an English equivalent label that fit better.I'm not even saying that its the fault of the translators or the English reader its just the way it goes. You just cant make a character speak English without fundamentally altering the whole character.
>>745791759kek it's so ridiculous you'd go into shock and have a heart attack from a speck of dust falling on you
>>745791759>>745791872the point is that it's super good sex anon
>>745763202>waitingAnon, you could have done that 5 years ago, you even have the tools available in just a few clicks.
>>745767762>>745768812>>745771467nobody is going to talk about the TL changing watanabe-san to watanabe-kun???
>>745789808there are no "good" translations, there are translations and then there is fanfic
>>745761458I wanted to as a teen but lost the motivation.>Much more of a gameplayfag than I used to be>AI has improved a lot so I can get my way through games>I am not a people person at all so being able to speak it isn't very useful for me>Based autists will make a stink about major translation fuckups so I'm aware of them
>>745790134b-but muh Chinkshit muh Genshin
>>745761458It's worth it, translations are fucked. Look at this shit. I'm jealous, wish I had had the dedication when I was younger.
>>745788630There are a lot of people out there who are honestly retarded and think something taking a lot of time means that it's hard. Learning a language is actually one of the easiest skills you can pick up, because after the initial learning period, it's all entertainment until fluency.
>>745761458Is it too late to learn another language at 30 years old
>>745791341>DQ5 localization changed the name of grand temple to Crocodilopolis>because its boss looks like a crocodile
>>745800304DQ is so bastardised I'm shocked it has any audience in the west at all.>>745799993No, it's too late for you. Give up, you will be an EOP for life because it's impossible for anyone over 30 to learn anything new.
>>745761458Konichiwa mutherfucker
>>745762515Is that translation real...?Also, why they translated "-san" as "-kun"? It makes no sense...
>>745761458>want to learn japanese >has to balance it with drawing, music, and echolocation (don't mind my autism)I might drop drawing because I don't enjoy it that much and be consistent like my ukulele and japanese sessions.
