>there are people who unironically think Tifa isn't the main love interest
FF7 doesn't have one, otherwise people wouldn't be arguing over it nearly 30 years later.
>getting a pity fuck from my midgars town bicycle before the suicide mission bravo, kojima
>>745923087>words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinkingGuys there's a cute girl at work who I think is trying to say she likes me without words....
>>745923164Just save time and report yourself to HR.
>>745923087Isn't it obvious?Yuffie is for Vincent and Aeris is fucking dead
>>745923142Dumbass play the game
I'm currently playing the game for the first time and I'm already on disc 3, and I kinda don't want the game to end but I only have Ruby and the final fight left. I already get why people were so eager to demand more.
>inb4 retards missions for the trillionth time that aerith was the slut and tifa was the pure girl
>>745923609Calm down hothead.
>>745923087Tifa vs Aerith is literally the Rei vs Asuka of gaming.
>>745923087Why are conversations in JRPG so awkward and cringe?Just say "I love you"
>>745924031Everybody with an IQ above 100 knows it's Tifa and Asuka respectively.
>>745923087This. Tifa is obviously meant to be the endgame love interest. The amount of mental gymnastics Aerithcucks make is honestly pretty embarrassing.Cloud wanted to "impress" Tifa because he loves her. I have never heard of a man going out of his way to impress a girl because he wanted to be friends and nothing more. That simply doesn't exist.
>>745923087>spent whore>love interestlmao
It's a done deal, Cloud is for Tifa.
While I agree that Tifa is written as the main love interest, Square consistently puts Aerith in that position when it comes to crossover stuff.
>>745924383The entire FFVII compilation is based on Crisis Core and Advent Children, not the original.
>>745923087
Everybody who claims otherwise literally either didn't play the game, or didn't comprehend what was going on.
>>745923087It's because Cloud would have undeniably picked Aerith if she lived.
>>745923087This is the same game where the translations are so inept as to mistranslated と. They got filtered by a sentence that had the particle と. So you can't really blame someone who only every played in English for missing obvious things.
>>745924980This. How do people not comprehend this?
>>745925020
>>745924980>>745925224Only because he was pretending to be Zack. Cloud left home to impress Tifa in the first place. Tifa liked the old Cloud and accept him when he was trying to be Zack. Aerith didn't really know Cloud.It was always Tifa
>>745924220
Zack loves Aerith. Aerith loves Zack.
>>745924383You like how Tifa is Cloud's light in KH2?
>>745923087>there are shiteating subhuman who unironically think Tifa aka the nasty secondhand fap material Nomura plagiarized her (but removed her perky nipples and added some belts) from an actual 1993(=97-4) pornhttps://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1751130932917.jpghttps://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1721417195517.jpghttps://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1770455145734.jpg>is ever anything else than a cheap substitute "love interest" for illiterate coombrains.
>>745925020Elaborate. Post screenshots for comparison if you can.
>>745926069>even the earrings are the sameLMAO. This is straight up plagiarism. How didn't Square get the fuck sued out of them?
Tifa canonically has sex with that other dude with the red hairband earlier in the game plus Barret and Aerith is secretly a prostitute. Are you retarded?
>>745923221Ha!
>>745924591Or they paid attention and realized she's used goods...
>>745926069>real schizo hours
Why does Final Fantasy attract so many schizos?
imagine the entire time she's just laying there emotionless thinking to herself>wow Barrett was so much thicker and more masculine than thislmao
>>745926327One is a hoop earring, the other is a crescent earring.
We have this thread almost daily. This game is almost 30 years old. Anybody who denies the cultural impact of FFVII is a mongoloid.
>>745926446>Soap opera tier drama with hot anime girls and twink protags>Don't have to actually be good at vidya because the gameplay is designed for and by mongoloids>The real question is why anybody sane or with any self-respect bothers with this franchise? Although judging by the embarrassing sales numbers from the last decade, it seems not a lot still do. Better late than never I suppose.
>>745923330>Plays the game.>Tifa love is one sided>Cloud only thinks about Aerith.>His whole motivation is Aerith.>"buh he liked her when he was a kid tho!"
>>745925412>Only because [HEADCANON]
>>745926530>Anybody who denies the cultural impactIn the west.Nobody cares about FF7 in Japan.
>>745926797Nobody aside weebs care about what Japan thinks.
just keep making the fucking anime games you soulless bug people
Aerith is a prostitute.Tifa had sex with Barrett and other rebel members.You are upset and emotional about this, but your tears cannot change these facts.
>>745926626So why did he leave her behind in Rebirth for Sephiroth to kill her again?
>>745926530No one has actually played FF7. It is as impactful as Undertale or Persona.
>>745926276I didn't think anyone would ask. This one you already know english. The one where the game says attack while it's tail is up. Even though there's that と there. No context, taking a best guess, you're probably putting an if somewhere in that line.
>>745927620*you already know the english
>>745926530When the west been trying and failing to copy it for 30 years you know it really made an impact
>>745927620>>745927667Forgot to elaborate. >しっぽを上げている間に"When it's tail is up" basically. "The period of time when it's raising its tail". That's my best attempt at a "literal" translation >攻撃すると"If you attack".
>>745926626The entire premise of the game is that Cloud thinks he's Zack, who was Aerith's old boyfriend. Cloud and Aerith's romance was a tragic irony. Aerith fell in love with the same man twice. The scene where they are sitting together in the Midgar playground literally hints at this dichotomy before you realize the true nature of it.Tifa is the one who knows the real Cloud and they get together once he becomes his true self once again.Tifa and Cloud was one sided because Cloud was having an identity crisis, when he returned to being Cloud again, they were ordained to get together.Thus, the livestream sequence is immediately followed by the highwind scene.
>>745923087>Aerith schizos>people
>>745926530To be fair, it's only the same two or three schizos every time.
I prefer aerith and cloud but even still I think it makes no sense storywise for cloud to be with aerith when not only did she fall in love with a man clouds pretending to be but also because clouds entire story and character arc revolves around being a simp for tifa. Like cloud literally spent his entire childhood following and stalking tifa like a chud
>>745926530>Anybody who denies the cultural impact of FFVII is a mongoloidyeah, this shit is literally the first AAA game. games having huge budgets and bloated marketing campaigns started here. the focus on more "movie-like" storytelling started here. FF7 is the origin point of everything wrong with modern gaming
>>745923087>there are people who unironically think Tifa isn't the main love interestThat reason being he doesn't really love her, but rather settles for her.The woman he was actually in love with died.
>>745930396you're right, its better to just forever play bing bang slop instead because nintendo is a god that invented gaming
>>745930465are you fucking retarded? Clouds ENTIRE life story is being obsessed with tifa. He stalked her and even joined SOLDIER because of herI swear to god FF7 is the most talked about game where the people who talk about the story have never actually played itSee >>745930304
>>745925519asuka website bugman, seethe about it
>>745930465>he doesn't really love herYou're actually retarded if you unironically believe he left Nibelheim to join SOLDIER only to impress her but doesn't actually love her. This is by far the strongest proof of love in the whole franchise.People who deny this should unironically be beaten to death with a club.
>>745923087She's a compromise. Big difference.
>>745927620>JP: If you attack while it's tail is up, it'll counter with a laser!>ENG: Attack while it's tail's up. It's gonna counter with a laser!LMAO
>>745930641He was a dumb idiot as a kid, obviously. He grew up out of that immature mindset, as we all do.
>>7459230877 was always a love triangle. It's just that one point of that triangle is tragically cut short.I think the main problem is that shippers ruin everything, and you can't discuss stuff like the characters and their relationships in these games without some shipper of whatever losing their tits over it and dragging the entire conversation down.
Tifa knew she lost right here
>>745930474play more games
>>745930641He had a crush on Tifa as a kid but fell in love with Aerith for real. It's meant to parallel Aerith's relationship with Zack, she had a youthful romance with him but truly fell in love with Cloud
>>745930857like...?
>>745930906he only knew aerith for a matter of maybe weeks at most. nobody "falls in love" in a couple of weeks. that's infatuation.same with tifa. he only knew her as a kid. only knows her as an adult for a couple of weeks.there's no "love" here. not enough time for that to blossom.
>Cloud tries to join SOLDIER just to impress TifaThe entire story doesn't happen if Cloud doesn't have feelings for Tifa >Tifa is still alive and is the one to put his mind back togetherWhile Aerith is someone Cloud only met recently and is a person he brushes off a lot of the time, while she is drawn to him because of his connection to Zack.
>>745930757>>745930757Clouds entire reasoning of being a member of SOLDIER was to impress and get close to tifa even when he was a teengager he hated that he failed to be one and became a depressed teen because of it. He didnt want tifa to see him as a failure. Even when he pretends to be zack, he does it because he always wanted to be looked at as a SOLDIER. No matter what, clouds motives one way or another connect to tifa and this is coming from an aerith guy. The only reason why cloud wasnt obsessed with tifa as a fake soldier member is because at that point he was suppressing and warping his memories to the point where even sephiroth made him doubt how cloud came to exist. The moment cloud recovered his memories and went passed his trauma, his love for tifa came back to himplay the game faggots
>>745923087The books make Tifa feel like the canon love interest. Or at least her romantic love for Cloud is a lot more overt and part of the story than Aerith's who's story is much more focused on her identity as a Cetra and her destiny protecting the planet
>>745923142The reason people have been arguing about it is that it objectively does have a canon love interest, and that annoys people who don't choose or resonate with Tifa.
>>745923087If FF7 was an early 00s teen comedy Aerith would be the hot cheerleader that the main character spends the movie trying to impress only to realize in the end that his true love is his dorky childhood friend who always supported him even when he wasnt cool or popular (Tifa)
Replaying FF8 recently and a lot of what they did with Aerith made more sense after seeing Quistis again.In both cases there's an unusual one-sided love story that seems at odds with the canon romance that story itself pushes on the MC, and in both cases it's because the girls mistook a strange, unexplained connection they felt as love.
>>745923087Aerith literally never even meets the real Cloud
>>745923151least disingenuous aerisfag
>>745932264can you imagine how repulsive it'd be if you found out the guy you felt weirdly drawn to was inadvertently responsible for the death of your boyfriend and had been mimicking him ever since
>>745932248Yeah Quistis is the Tifa of FF8
>>745932427Sounds like a horror movie desu
>>745932536well, no, Quistis is Aerith. they both feel drawn to MC because of a twist backstory element, and both become irrelevant the moment the twist is revealed.
>>745932659You're literally describing Tifa
>>745924031Yuffie.Maya.
>>745927803>cloud thinks he's zackit's one (maybe two?) level more nuanced than thatCloud is repressing his past as just a normal foot grunt.>one can ask the question, would just a regular grunt get to mission with actual SOLDIERs?>Nothing in life would let a basic level failure guy work directly with the highest level special forces...The Zack memories thing, isn't replacing Cloud's past. He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.
>>745932690I can't possibly be describing Tifa because they were childhood romantic interests well before any weird stuff, and she remains relevant until the very final downtime of the game in which they canonically have sex
>>745923087yeah thats why the game forces you into the romantic date at gold saucer with aeris unless you consult a guide
>>745923458play new threat 1.5 next time, improved gameplay and (good) new content with a much bigger disc 3 shit to do
This is cringe
>>745923280Cloud spent the rest of his life rejecting Tifa and agonizing over Aerith. It's the reason why the remakes exist and are all about trying to change fate.>>745930570They're the typical anime childhood friends, never once did he show any real interest in Tifa, contrast that with Aerith who captured his heart and brought it to Lifestream with her.
>>745933026One thing to add on to this:During the Nibelheim incident Cloud is only 16 YEARS OLD.Ok so he failed at being a SOLDIER, but he's just a damn kid and is good enough to run escort for two of the, one actually is, the strongest people ON THE ENTIRE PLANET.To say he failed is...whew lad. It's like calling yourself retarded for only achieving a masters by age 20 instead of a full Phd.
>>745924031It's such a disingenuous debate on both sides. Rei is a clone of Shinji's mom with an alien soul that can't be brought back after instrumentality takes place. Meteor can't be stopped without Aerith's sacrifice. There's no logical ending where the protagonist ends up with either one. Reifags and Aerithfags are copium huffing losers who have spent 30 years of their lives on this shit.
>>745923087every proper jrpg protagonist has multiple wives. some even have three. if cloud doesn't marry both, he's just a bitch
>>745933157are you thinking of Barret...?It's true Aerith gets a small headstart in love values due to be recruited later than Tifa, but i think even before you get her you're probably nearly maxed on Tifa's score even by accident. it's not hard.>>745933276>They're the typical anime childhood friends, never once did he show any real interest in Tifa, contrast that with Aerith who captured his heart and brought it to Lifestream with her.no his entire backstory is that he was so madly in love with her that it's the whole reason he wanted to be a big tough hero man. he killed Sephiroth fueled by rage at thinking Tifa was dead. even his psyche break is because he felt he let Tifa down
>>745930764genuinely need to stop taking the opinions seriously of teenagers who read wikis all day
>>745933124Tifa is drawn to cloud because of a twist backstory element (the nibelheim incident/their childhood promise) and is totally irrelevant to the plot after Cloud regains his sanity. That's around when Aerith becomes important again since she actually saves the world from Meteor. Rinoa is literally Aerith 2.0 down to meeting Squall because of her attachment to her ex boyfriend.
>>745933512Tifa has a deeper connection to Cloud than that. The bridge incident after her mother died.All of her orbiter-friends did nothing, but Cloud cared enough to be brave, and then he took the blame for her being hurt.You guys really, REALLY need to play through the OG game.
>>745933442if you're not going out of your way to be a dick to aeris at every opportunity, you're going to end up with her on the date. she even gets tie breaker preference.
>>745933404The way I interpreted it was that Cloud didn't feel like a failure generally, but showing up back home after he made a big promise and failed to reach it is what got to him. It was bad luck that was his mission.The fact that he was hit with one insane event after another immediately afterward is almost a separate thing entirely.>>745933512the twist backstory element is that they crushed on each other as kids...? that's what you think i'm talking about? that is literally confirmed mere minutes after the first reactor mission.when's the last time you played FF7?
>>745926520Is Tifa the OG smugface?
>>745933736she gets a +20 head start because you can get +26 with Tifa before Aerith even gets a nameAnd it's shit like "don't get caught by the train alarm" and "don't ignore someone being nice to you", so it's very easy to do even unintentionallyBetween you and the other guy I wonder how much of Tifa vs. Aerith discourse is fueled by people who have simply forgotten basic facts about the game
>>745923087Yeah, I can only assume poor media literacy or denial.Like the only way you don't 'get' that Tfia is the canon love interest is if you're too retarded to follow the story, or if you're mad and refuse to accept the story.
>>745933636>>745933746The entire point of that sequence is to show that she and Cloud were not actually close friends and she was completely oblivious to his actual feelings. It was a childish connection that could potentially turn into real adult love but never did as of Advent Children.
>>745933878yeah Ive played the game a million times you dumbass nigger and without literally consulting a guide, got aeris every single time, even though I didnt even use her in my party.
>>745934075then you're legitimately retardedhell I can get yuffie on the date just be an asshole to everyone else
>>745934173>Yuffie likes bad boys.
>>745923142>people
Next you people will spout headcanon shit like saying they blew up mako reactors.
>>745933878Those points were given by the chief programmer Ken Narita to ensure you'll be with Aerith if you play normally.Illiterate subhuman attracted to Nomura's secondhand fap material >>745926069 were not counted as normal people from the beginning.
>>745923087Only because Aerith was a waterlogged bloated corpse by that point, and she was essentially the spare.
>points were given by the chief programmer Ken Narita to ensure you'll be with Aerith if you play normally. >>745936572Even the Tifa gooner artist back then had realized he can never escape from the canon love interest.>https://m1.imhentai.xxx/001/q0w7lhi3br/18.gif>https://m1.imhentai.xxx/001/q0w7lhi3br/4.gif>https://m1.imhentai.xxx/001/q0w7lhi3br/17.gif
Why didn't Aerith care about Cloud here?
>Clouds entire life revolved around tifa>He was a massive simp and stalker>his entire life is him trying to get into SOLDIER to impress her>he was terrified of tifa seeing him as a failed soldier reject when he didnt make it in>he got nearly mindbroken when sephiroth attacked her that he suicided towards him knowing he wouldnt win>he even got so mindbroken by all his trauma he pretended to be a SOLDIER which is the one thing keeping him sane>demaketard newfags: DUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SHE ONLY CHILDHOOD FRIEND AERITH TRUE LOVEdemake maximillianfags have done irreversable damage to the FF7 community forever
>>745937520Because Vincent was causing a ruckus in main room with the rest of the party
>>745937520>>745938231Also Cloud holding his head while slumping down happened through out the game many times and Aerith was accustomed to it
>>745938231>>745938286>vincent is more important than cloud to aerith
>>745923087Women vaguepost irl all the time and each of their words feel like you somehow lost a (you)
i love Tifa
>>745927620How would you feel if you didn't attack with your tail up this morning?
>how i hug the love of my life who i ruined my life joining soldier for
why is there zero moments of cloud and tifa smiling looking at each other? it's such a simple thing that even hitler can do it towards his lover
>>745938229fucking cuck
>>745939835That girl is stronger than you bro
>>745927298>So why did he leave her behind in Rebirth>IN REBIRTHWe don't talk about non-canon Nomura and his buttbuddy Kitase fanfics, tho.
>>745927803>, they were ordained to get together.Funny how you post a scene just after Cloud says "let's go see Aerith again" to Tifa, and she gets sad.
>>745940126>loses argument>posts a thumbnail of demake blacked SFM shittypical demakefag
>>745923087is she talking about boners?
>>745923087She's the backup but the MC isn't really feeling it.
>>745940803Well in canon she dies.
>rather die in an empty church that has memories of Aerith then in Tifas house.
>>745923458The ending battles and FMV are kino.
Are ya winning, son?
>>745941352>moved zack's sword to aerith's flowerbed instead of breaking up with tifa
>>745925412Cloud only acts like Zack in the Nibelheim flashback. Hes doing a grumpy Sephiroth impression otherwise.
>>745923164>hand/face/body gestures>deliberate actions>overall tone of attitude/speechIt's not rocket science anon...
>>745930570Cloud wanted to be and feel important. He was the weird kid. He had no reason to stay in town. Tifa was just a status symbol and a reminder of his weakness.He wasn't thrilled to see her again. Hes like hey, wheres my money so I can leave. Tifa guilt tripped him into staying for another mission and the very next girl who shows interest in Cloud he's very open to it.This is not the actions of a man who is a simp.
>>745923087No such thing. Both OG and 7R have relationship systems. In the original Aeris starts far ahead of the others and you need to go out of your way to get their dates and scenes.
>>745930796I unironically switched from Tifa to Aerith here on my first playthrough. I thought Cloud was trying to move on but nope. He's ride or die and I have to respect that.
>>745931402
>>745931980The books had Tifa asking if Cloud loved her and he refused to answer. He moves out without warning while she's at work. The books refuse to have a Cloud POV chapter.
>>745942528He moved out because he has space aids
>>745932248>Rinoa standing in a flower field saying she'll wait for you here.
>>745934000>Tifa gives Cloud fuck me eyes at the end of AC>Cloud doesn't notice but becomes stunlocked at the sight of Aerith
>>745923151You need to realize most FF7 fans are oofy doofy cuckolds in dead bedroom relationships that were virgin until their late 20s
>>745942916
>>745942136cloud had almost no memories of his past self. He warped his mind into thinking he became a SOLDIER member and a few smaller memories and nothing more. When tifa was fixing clouds mind, it was revealed that cloud locked many of his feelings for tifa in his mind. Why? Well it could be a lot of reasons including embarrassment that he did it all for her and guilt that he failed to get stronger for her but either way he was suppressing his love for tifameanwhile aerith was a false love that really only existed for a short time. People keep forgetting just how short cloud and aerith knew each other and just how long cloud knew tifa, even if that love was mainly from a distance
>>745942984>unironically using the term oofy doofy>while calling OTHERS virgins
>>745938584Why was Cloud ignoring Tifas feelings? She was sad but he's not even going through the motions to help her.
>>745923087>there are people who unironically think Tifa isn't the main love interestCloud is a Cuck, Tifa is a mudshark.
>>745941617>Tifa thinks she can trap Cloud with a kid. >Cloud moves out when she's at work and ignores her calls
>>745934075>yeah Ive played the game a million times you dumbass nigger and without literally consulting a guide, got aeris every single time, even though I didnt even use her in my party.I've only played through once on PS1 back in the day, and if we are talking about the Golden Saucer date, I've only gotten Tifa.
>>745943209Because he's delusional at the time?
How DO grown men end up becoming shippers?
>there are people who are unironically so retarded and media illiterate they cant plainly see square intentionally made who was the main love interest an ambiguous open question so incels would keep their IP alive 30 years later still arguing about it
>>745943032Cloud remembered the water tower talk the same time as he was walking out the door. He remembers that cold childhood. He doesn't have fond memories.
>>745923087thinking aerith is superior to tifa is mental illness
>>745943595More like excited about his new girlfriend.
>>745943128I am right though.
>>745943810Whom he left behind to be killed by Sephiroth
>>745923609I don't even like Aerith but I don't think either is a slut.
>>745943935They just beat up Sephiroth. They aren't scared.
>>745944052So Aerith can beat up Sephiroth alone?
>>745944080>Remake: Cloud, Aerith and Tifa vs Sephiroth>Rebirth: Cloud and Aerith vs Sephiroth>Revelation: Aerith 1v1 Sephiroth
>>745944146So she can't?
>>745942471teenagers and really young adults treat infatuation as if its love a lot because they're young and inexperienced. more news at 11
>>745923087Red is the main love interest, as proven by being the only one with offspring at the end of the game
>>745924213Saying "I love you" give girls the ick
>>745924031>>745932769Kaworu.Sephiroth.
>>745926492Could have saved her, lads.
>>745923087Yes and those people didn't play the original game
Aerithfags are so bitter, delusional and insecure it's unreal
>>745923087>>there are people who unironically think Tifa isn't the main love interestAerithfags, Barretfags and Yuffiefags aren't people.
>>745945589He's underage though.
>>745943618Autism and loneliness
>>745940857She doesn't get sad. She rests her head on his chest. She feels close to him, and immediately says "Yes, lets go meet her".She feels at peace, not pissed or jealous. I encourage you to replay the game and rewatch these specific scenes so you can better understand these character interactions
>>745933026>>745933746>Cloud is repressing his past as just a normal foot grunt.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack.No. This is wrong. Cloud literally thinks he is Zack.He is not merely remembering himself as having a more impressive career, nor is he suffering from basic insecurity about failing to achieve his ambitions. He quite literally believes he is somebody that he is not.This is literally the plot of the fucking game.Do you not remember this picture? It is the most pinnacle plot moment in the entire story. I encourage you to replay the game and revisit this pinacle moments to better understand it. The original PS1 game, not the remake.
>>745950173Why would Cloud know his name is Cloud an not Zack?Why would Cloud acknowledge being from and having memories of Nibelheim if Zack is not from there?
>>745943764Overall Aerith's perfect 10/10 is superior to Tifa's perfect 10/10. It may not make mathematical sense, but it is what it is.
>>745950701Cloud's memory is a mix of genuinely believing he was somebody, and still having the memories and history of someone else. He is a living contradiction, and this tension is highlighted in various momentsDo you remember the version of the Neihbelheim incident that Cloud told the gang after they escaped Midgar and made it to Kalm?If you do, then you'll remember that many characters point out that it doesn't make sense. This is the central tension in the game.The lifestream sequence, the part of the game where Tifa goes into Cloud's mind, is the process of sorting out which of Cloud was really him, which of his memories were falsehoods he made up, and which of his memories were the product of convincing himself that he was the man in the photograph- Zack Fair.https://youtu.be/U8Virpv7nxY?t=558Here is the sequence I am talking about. This will explain all of your questions and then some, but it is difficult to understand if you do not really remember the intricacies of the game's plot.Again, PLEASE replay the game and revisit this whole plot.
>>745934075You're lying
>>745950173shut up you fucking remake slop loving braindead classless thoughtless faggoti dont give a shit about your tranny autism, fanBOYism, nigger garbage
>>745951520>Aerith's perfect 10/107/10*
>>745951649you have the comprehension of a kid dropped on their head >He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.>He doesn't "think" he is Zack. He thinks he is a Cloud who never failed the SOLDIER trials. He thinks he is Cloud who was as successful as Zack.
>>745924383They brought Zack back to life for the high school AU instead of having Cloud in a love triangle
>>745923087Old screen shot of the original FF7 Ultimania translation.
>>745951871Laughable claim. Even about NuAerith (8.3/10).
>>745943618Autism. And loneliness.
>>745951901Cloud's character in "Final Fantasy VII" is literally defined as having a personality disorder. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>745923087>Cloud, I can see you staring at my tits constantly.>I 100% know you're down for this.Interesting interpretation of 'love'.
>>745952373I was 8 years old when this game came out and I didn't get half as confused about the story as you people still are to this day.The only part that tripped me up was Sephiroth's north crater body, and that's because I didn't know the secret nibelheim mansion scene with zack existed.Cloud does not think he *is* Zack. He doesnt call himself Zack. He knows he is cloud from nibelheim.Cloud *thinks he is a successful 1st class soldier*THAT IS IT
>>745952208>Even about NuAerithNew Aerith is a direct upgrade so yes she went from a 7 to an 8.
>>745952373using AI as your argument is fucking low man
>>745950173He doesn't think he is Zack. He thinks Zack's exploits were his own.>has a crush on a girl>leaves home to become somebody>fails (doesn't realize its because they think he can't handle cells not from some person failure to be strong enough)>goes back home and can't face what happened>betrayed by his hero and forced to fight him>sits almost dead after basically radiation poisoning that hits at a spiritual level (import bit there) as an experiment with Jenova>tragic rescue and sacrifice from Zack>poisoned in spirit/mind/body his brain copes by not dealing with failure, being betrayed, Jenova, Zack, etc>brain reboots with lies that he made it to soldier and adopts the mannerism of who he looked up toDude didn't pull some Talented Mister Ripley shit he just edit his spot in a memory and changed his mannerism like a kid watching a cool character in a movie to cope with getting their ass kicked at school. Think more like the movie Sidekicks except he day dreams he is Chuck Norris not his well sidekick because being dosed with the lifestream and cells he actually got the powers to go with it.>>745951901Yes he thinks he did the things Zack did much like how kids claim to they've done things they haven't or that their Dad works at Nintendo. And they crazier ones start to think its true. In particular radiation which Mako poisoning is similar to in their world fucks with people's memories, from accidental exposure to chemo it will mix those things up. He convinced himself he made it because he wakes up near Midgar packing Jenova powers, glowing eyes, and a heavy dose of damaged memory; so to him he remembers the events, showing up as part of ShinRa, and has the signs of being a Soldier so it makes sense to him.
>>745924031So BOTH sides are retarded and the actual correct answer is an equally valid choice between two far better characters?
>>745923142Son, the whole Cloud v Sephiroth debacle after FF7 is 100% fueled by fujos, the fucking game has been kept alive MOSTLY because of fujos.
>>745952447The example of "1st Class SOLDIER" Cloud knows is Zack.Not Sephiroth.Not Genesis.Not John Stacey.It's Zack.Cloud does not believe himself to be "1st Class SOLDIER Cloud."Cloud believes himself to be "1st Class SOLDIER Zack."And it's a realistic failure, because he is not a 1st Class SOLDIER and he is not Zack.Cloud will eventually realize this post-Mideel when he comes to term with his Borderline Personality Disorder.I'm not going to continue explaining this to you, anymore. Have a nice Sunday, Anon.
>>745952705SO WHATSO FUCKING WHATYuri Bezmenov was right about you people.Holy fuck.
Aerith is nice, but just playing through vii when I was a kid all I got was>cloud is into aerith>aerith dies>cloud's real backstory with tifa is revealed>oh, they were meant to be all alongIt made sense. He loves thjem both, but aerith dies and then the feelings he had for tifa finally resurface when he gets his memories back.
>>745952779He always remembered his promise to Tifa tho
>>745952470Auschwitz body (except for her ass, while hidden, in conceptual theory), autism, artificial mysteriousness, cringeworthy dialogue, insincerity and lack of joy, spontaneity, intellect, tough love & hard edge,These weren't things present with Aerith, but don't pull NuAerith down more than she can take due to her other good qualities.Giving NuAerith future knowledge was the third worst mistake in the Remake, because it made all her actions and emotions performative, in order to recreate halfhearted shadows of her fond memories, and then taking those memories away in Rebirth without adjusting her behavior, that was part of her act in Remake.
>>745953595>reddit spacingGo back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KikPJ8gUPQ
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>>745954009Just separating columns and subjects. Never been on Reddit, because I'm highly averse to making accounts anywhere.
>>745932427She already hints to knowing this, or at least knowing the Cloud she's talking to isn't the real him at the end of their gold saucer date.
>>74594887648 out of 10!
>>745923087Shippers aren't "people".
>>745924321In this case, he is not mimicking Zack or Sephiroth... no.. in these cases, he is himself. Only when he is with Aerith, he is mimicking someone other...Pathetic theory.
>>745923087we get it you like boobs.I prefer Aeris/th always have
>>745927803>The entire premise of the game is that Cloud thinks he's Zack, who was Aerith's old boyfriend.This is just in the head of Tifags, for the original story didn't even consider her a main character. In the original game there was Cloud, Aerith and Barrett. So it has been conceived with Cloud falling in love with Aerith. Tifa just represent the afterlife of someone who lost her beloved one. Just a "move on". This is proven from the fact that in the "embarassing" (for SE) OG, Tifa has almost no role in the main story and all is focused between Cloud and Aerith, with Cloud never denying anything to Aerith. You never see Cloud pushing back Aerith when she tries to express about their future together. You just see an envy and angry Tifa reaction, instead.
also people seriously don't understand that "cloud thinks hes zack" doesn't mean he thinks hes called zack, not copying how he acted, because mako/jenova, did you even play the games? retardi swear people are getting dumber.
>>745930304In the OG, Cloud is not pretending anything. The story wasn't conceived with Zack in mind, character that has been added later and its only purpose was to explain the moment when Cloud realize is a Sephiroth "clone", just to psychologically rape him and induce him to do what Sephiroth wants, without forcing him. Zack has been added later and the storyline related to him, is just a Aerith-loss simulation, but between Cloud and a dear friend, instead of a girlfriend, so a replication. Zack is wimpy (as seen in the Kalm flashback) and gets killed like some weak, poor wretch. The rest is just fanbase retconning, put in stage by SE for moneymilking purposes.
>>745931724>Cloud tries to join SOLDIER just to impress Tifa>The entire story doesn't happen if Cloud doesn't have feelings for TifaCloud clearly states, at the beginning of the game, while him and Tifa are inside the Seventh Heaven, that he didn't became Soldier and didn't became famous, so he cannot fulfill the promise.When asked, Tifa states that she is only a neighborough friend of Cloud. No relationship involved. She become aware of that, only when Cloud tells her that he was doing everything for he likes her, during the lifestream part.
>>745923087She isnt
VII and X are the worst FF games
>>745924213>Just say "I love you"thats not how Japanese works
>>745957331I never really understood them changing Zack's backstory into being this incredibly strong SOLDIER when he was canonically gunned down by grunts.
>>745957084this is a thread full of manchildren arguing over which fictional girl they like the best
>>745959176SOLDIERs didn't use to be able to perform superhuman feats, but once they did, Zack had to follow.
>>745957069I'm not sure what game you played, but Tifa absolutely has a pivotal role in FF7. She knows Cloud's real self and history, and doesn't tell him that his memories are fake, which eventually culminates in the North Crater event. She isn't just so random side character like Yuffie or Palmer.Again, do you not remember this picture?Cloud literally thought he was the man standing there in this photo. But he was wrong. He gets shown the real photo, and then he has a mental breakdown and hands Sephiroth the black Materia,Tifa then stays with Cloud in paralysis, and then enters his subconscious and restores his true self.Cloud doesn't 'reject' Aertih and choose Tifa, nor does he 'reject' Tifa and choose Aerith. The game is not a generic anime "which waifu will he choose!" narrative. It's a story about a man with an identity crisis.To say that Tifa has no role in the main story is almost mind-bogglingly wrong.Please. Play the game. The original. It's really good man. It's my favorite game ever.
Tifa ball
>>745954447Tifa won.
>>745950173>pinnacle momentspivotal, anon
>>745960604nta but Tifa told Aerith that information in Rebirth, funnily enough just so that she can know that Tifa knew Zack before she dies. Makes the whole front about her trying to find the real Cloud pretty nonsensical because she already knows.
>>745963423Yep. Another thoughtless and shortsighted change in the Remake.
>>745923087>the virgin FFVII implied sex vs. the gigachad Xenogears blunt acknowledgement of sex
>>745964387Xenogears is the game people pretend FFVII is.
>>745964463A broken, inconsistent mess of a game with a story that acts deeper than it actually is, pretentious yet meaningless symbolism that exists just for the sake of being there, and a completely unfinished ending?
>>745964582Xenogears is basically Neon Genesis Evangelion if it was a video game and Shinji was around 5-10 years older and was an alpha male martial artist instead of an incel loser. It's peak.
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>>745963862It's unavoidable when you are dealing with this many retcons, while also maintaining the canon contuinity. It's arguably easier to just retcon Remake to replace OG, but they had to make Remake a sequel to OG (bit not to AC) because the OG had a bad ending. Then because of the lack of foresight, they had to neuter Aerith's memories in Rebirth which was pretty funny because it was a double retcon.
>>745965631Yes in the OG, Aerith didn't know that Cloud was just larping. In Rebirth she knows because Tifa told her.
>>745943618Autism and loneliness.
>>745943618Autism and faggotry.All "male shippers" are either gay or troons.
>>745923087We all know what the true ending is
>>745963423but it doesnt have to necessarily retcon OG, it can just be that aerith means she wants to meet the version cloud that isn't pretending to be someone else
>>745923087 Yuffie is going to win the Cloudbowl
>>745968913Aerith would've confronted Cloud about it.
>>745930796>>745939835brutal. think I'm finally starting to see it.
