What went wrong?
Nothing. Fine conclusion to the saga and I'm excited to be playing it in 4k next month.
Half the game is a movie.
>>745929565Nothing , it was kino
>>745929565mgs3
it had the wrong flavor of sunny
>>745929565nothingand if you don't like it you were never a real fan and didn't understand MGS at alland if you don't like it because you don't like MGS at all you have terrible taste ;)>>745931786based
>>745929565It's a good movie. A satisfying conclusion to the franchise as a whole. I don't know why they felt the need to pad it out with gameplay though.
>>745929565Kojima's dad died.
>>745929565The game ends after Act 2 but the cutscenes keep going for some reason
>>745932754That's a minor
>>745933580turn on your monitor and you'll stop seeing one
What's the action to cutscene ratio like for this video game?
>>745931786>>745932084>>745932812>>745932882You should be embarrassed.
>Fine conclusion to the saga>it was kino>and if you don't like it you were never a real fan>A satisfying conclusion to the franchise as a whole
>>745934234see >>745933323
>>745929565you posted the wrong cover
>>745929565The fanbase. They begged Kojima for a soulless fanservicefest that "answers all the questions" and that's exactly what they got.
>>745934625And those retards are here, telling you you're not a real fan if you don't appreciate the fanfiction.
>>745929565Snake never raw dogd her in the ass...She grew a deep resentment towards him for being a fucking faggot. Then one day, he was too old and fragile to get a hard on... Meryl pitied him, which might be worse than actually despise him.>Love theme® plays in the background
>>745934540>And Ocelot>In order to fool the system>Used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality onto his ownI'd say this is the moment where Metal Gear jumped the shark, but that happened like 20 times in MGS4 before that point
>>745934781Snake was gay for Otacon anyways.
>>745934860This moment is a great filter for fans of MGS and :-OfagsFans of MGS went "What the fuck is this bullshit?", already tired from all the fucking retarded shit that was happening in the game. :-0fags went "OOOOOMGGGGGGGG BIG BOSS!!! AS IF THIS GAME WASN'T EPIC ENOUGH ALREADY"
>>745929565Not enough Frog fondling.
>>745929565The story is pretty retarded (moreso than 1-3) but it's still much better than the games that came after
>>745929565i skipped a long ass cutscene and suddenly i was playing mgs1
>>745933323>MGS game with the most cutscenes is also the one with the worst storyBravo, Hideo
>>745929565kojima was honestly afraid video games would make children soldiers at the time lmaooo
>>745929565He didn't want to make the thing and it was a sequel to a game that ended in a way that is almost impossible to follow up successfully.
>>745932069More like 80% is movie and 5% is walking segments
>>745931786This. Nothing went wrong. A fine conclusion to an epic series. Peace Walker and MGS5 was a mistake, should have never been made. Thankfully Kojima was fired before more stupid retcons happened
>Dude big boss is the worst person in history >The last hour of MGS4>Nah dude was the good guy the whole time
>A fine conclusion to an epic series
>>745929565no style, no substance, just a brown marvel movie where everyone is here and bad guys lose for real this time!then again if you played 3 the writing was on the wall
>>745929565Nobody involved in the production had the balls to tell Kojima it was irredeemably stupid.>stupidly-long meeting about how there's only one thin window of time for gaining entry into Outer Haven, and this is stressed multiple times in the same extended cutscene>never mind, the armless guy snuck out of our infirmary and got into the ship with no trouble
Snake eater was too good
>>74592956516 hours of cutscenes. 4 hours of gameplay.
>>745931786>>745935072Something funny about two posts going "Fine conclusion"When MGS4 is so shit that even the best fanboys can give it is "fine"
>>745929565Nothing.GOTY 11/10 A Masterpiece by Kojima
>Actually Ocelot was never possessed by Liquid Snake even though he is the son of a spirit medium, he hypnotized himself and he did this to help you
>>745935382How would you write the conclusion for the Metal Gear franchise? and you can't cheap out and just end at at MGS2 either. MGS4 still has to be made in this timeline.
>>745929565A dog ate Kojima's script so he just grabbed something from Archive of our Own. True story.
>>745931786>next month.More like "Next week." Do you even Kojimbo, bro?
>>745935408sunny confirmed mudshark btw
>>745935469I don't get paid for this
>>745935469>and you can't cheap out and just end at at MGS2 eitherIt's not "cheaping out", retard. That was the obvious end of the story. It's exactly this brainlet question that led to MGS4 being made.Anyways, I wouldn't have written stupid shit like Liquid Ocelot hypnotizing himself which somehow manages to fool an ultra advanced genius level world economy controlling AI, or Big Boss coming back from the dead to have a big exposition monologue, or 2 hours of Guy That Poops Himself romance. But ultimately, even if I wrote something that wasn't absolute garbage like MGS4, it would never be on the same level as the first three games because it's completely unnecessary and only brainlets wanted it.
>>745929565People told Kojima's he's a genius so he tried to make a movie instead of a game, the guy who wrote the parts of the story people actually like stopped working on the series
>>745935215>Hates 3Filtered.3 is the best of the series. Followed closely by 1. The quality steeply drops off from there where Peace Walker/5 and Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain/6 could have merit if you enjoy their gameplay, but 2 and 4 were god awful.
>>745929565Kojima.
I never played 5
>>745929565Nothing went wrong. It destroyed all of Metal Gear's mythos and story in order to show people that endless sequels with needless information on video game worlds is useless. It's essentially just Kojima laughing in the face of his most diehard, idiotic fans, and I'm all for it. MGS2 already was that to an extent with Raiden and all the commentary about digital training, and MGSV just doubles down on it by giving them an empty, barren game that invalidates their Big Boss power fantasy. MGS4 is just the most extreme version of that and it's funny.
>3 is the best of the series. Followed closely by 1. The quality steeply drops off from there where Peace Walker/5 and Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain/6 could have merit if you enjoy their gameplay, but 2 and 4 were god awful.
>>745935613>the guy who wrote the parts of the story people actually like stopped working on the seriesStill think this is a cop out answer. Kojima just got washed and tried doing too much with 4, is all.
>>745935613>he believes the fukushima theory
>>745935750He switched his ghostwriters and writing went to shit
>>745935613He just didn't want to make this one and was going through a midlife crisis, so it's whole story is just dogshit that veers between contempt for the series and embarrassing fanservice with lots of metaphors for where Kojima was in life at the time and how he felt about the series and industry. And it doesn't work at all with the previous games and ruined the future story of the series.
>>745935834>Mr. Kojima comes up with details like Vamp moonwalking across the water, Fatman saying LAUGH AND GROW FAT, and the President grabbing Raiden's balls>Mr. Fukushima writes the good part of the storyOk?
>>745935686>It destroyed all the mythos and story in order to show people that endless sequels with needless information is uselessSo it's the Star Wars prequels of Metal Gear.
>>745935930That's not what it says though. All of the core dialogue is done by Kojima, including all of the shit you probably call "prophetic" in MGS2. Fukushima just does a lot of the optional codec stuff, which he has stated is inspired by Kojima's own writing.
>>745935914What's your excuse for everything else he has made since also being dogshit?
>>745935994Death Stranding 1 is miles above MGS4. Haven't played DS2.
>>745936017MGS4 isn't even a video game.
>>745935994Well I don't think it's all dogshit for one but even if it was it's pretty common for artists to get worse as they age and loose their spark. Francis Ford Coppola hasn't made a good movie in 30 years.
>>745935957More or less, in both the good and bad ways. Hell, it even has the awkward direction and dialogue of them too!
>>745935469They wouldn't write anything. Modern /v/ just wants to walk around boring empty open world. Thats why the vidya industry is dead btw
>>745935994"Dogshit" is strong. He never made anything as truly terrible as MGS4 since. As for why he's past been past his peak for decades, that stuff just happens all the time to all sorts of creatives. Look at Tim Cain, for example. Or Avellone even before he got cancelled.
>>745936130Or Spielberg, or Paul Thomas Anderson, or Oasis, or Metallica.
>>745929565The writers were forced into giving that character wings but they weren't given enough screentime to do it, since the third season was only a half season instead of a full 26. If they were going to give her wings at all, it should've been a byproduct of absorbing the magic from the 3 princesses (and then a leftover of said magic) during the season 4 finale. Anyways, it's funny people still complain about it all these years later. The night where it was revealed and the MGS4 song played over the board was hilariously kino.
>>7459356312 isn't that bad.
>>745935991Not the impression the author of that article has given it says "those dialogues sometimes drag on for an hour at a time."The stuff retards call "prophetic" would be the hour long codec calls towards the end of the game, right...?
>>745935602>That was the obvious end of the story.MGS2 ends on a cliffhanger and has several dangling plot threads.
>>745934860>>Used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality onto his ownI never liked this as it felt like a last minute asspull when in the world of MGS with ghosts, psychics, nanomachines, and crazy technology, everyone was already on board for Liquid himself or some type of ghost being able to possess Ocelot then just maybe at the end, Ocelot dies and Liquid dies with him.
>>745936340There's some extra quotes about Fukushima outside of articles like this. I guess I should've provided those instead, my bad. I'd recommend reading this article by Snakesoup, but here's some choice quotes.https://thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/curious-case-tomokazu-fukushima/>Tomokazu Fukushima, "Metal Gear Solid 2: The Making">“While there were some parts that were edited by the both of us, but if I’ll be bold to say it, all the real-time cutscenes were written primarily by Mr. Kojima, as well as all the mandatory CODEC calls. I was assigned to writing all the optional CODEC. We ended up creating around 2,500 files.”>Tomokazu Fukushima, Metal Gear: Ghost Babel (Konami Guide Interview)>“That’s because we carry the Metal Gear branding, so you can’t make something that isn’t like Metal Gear. The structure of the game is also a realistic style modeled after all the previous Metal Gear games. […] Usually you don’t really need to write a backstory for a boss character, but this was a Metal Gear game. In order to truly make it Metal Gear, it is necessary to write some backstories to an extent. Therefore the details are necessary to make Metal Gear like Metal Gear, they’re not just there for the sake of it.”>Hideo Kojima, "The World of Metal Gear Solid">“After the plot was decided, I had help with writing the voiceover script. Some of the harsher terms that were used, such as ‘patricide’ and ‘bravery and cowardice’ were contributed by [Fukushima].”>The stuff retards call "prophetic" would be the hour long codec calls towards the end of the game, right...?Yeah, which was written by Kojima. There's definitely a decline in optional codecs after MGS3 considering how barren they feel in MGS4 and are literally non-existent in MGSPW and MGSV, which were replaced by codecs.
>>7459356311, 2, 4, and 5 are better than 3. Only PW is worse than 3.
we all can at least admit this whole fight was the kinoest thing ever, right?
>>745936515>it felt like a last minute asspullit literally was, big boss comes out of nowhere with that info. maybe he was just fucking with snake.
it was one big humiliation ritual for Solid Snake
>>745936542>some parts that were edited by the both of us [...] primarily by>After the plot was decided, I had help with writing the voiceover script. Some of the harsher terms that were used, such as ‘patricide’ and ‘bravery and cowardice’ were contributed by [Fukushima].”Is this meant to suggest Fukushima didn't contribute to the main part of the game?
>>745936709It was pretty good
>>745936709Yeah it probably just should have ended there. Too many fags got a sour taste in their mouth because of the nanomachines speech at the end
>>745936817haruko haruhara mating press
>>745936709It was full of things I recognized so I clapped.
>>745929565Nothing.One of the best movies I've ever seen.
>>745936786He undoubtly did. I have issue with the claim that he wrote all the parts people liked, when it's clear that Kojima is responsible for a majority of that.
>Pirates of the Caribbean had a proposal scene during a battle, so I'm going to do that to!fuck off Kojima
>>745929565Shitty scripted war zones, shit downgraded stealth mechanics, shit downgraded AI, shit downgraded combat with no limb damage, shitty braindead mechanics (drebin's shop), shitty empty levels, shitty half-baked factions system, shitty forced shootouts, shitty turret sections, shitty escort mission, shitty B&B bosses, shitty pacing, shitty barebones codec, shitty story and utter lore rape>>745932812You never liked MGS if you liked this turd
>>745940265The worst part is that Meryl marries this guy. She must have a scat fetish or something.
>>745929565Old man fist fight was S tier gameplay. It also doesn't hold your hand you can lose so get good.
>>745929565It was a hate letter to the fans.
>>745935469I would make MGS3 that is a direct sequel to 2 and resolve it's multiple sequel bait cliff hangers instead of creating new ones with MGS3 that we got.
>>745935957>>745936113Oops, i meant star wars sequels, silly me.
>>745929565Old?Good.New?Bad. Simple as.
>>745929565>too many cutscenes that drag on for way too long>character tropes wearing themselves out as they got wheeled out for the 4th time>meryl being seduced by the "constantly shits himself" guy>the entire Venice chapter>last half is constantly full of "REMEMBER THAT THING?" sequences>no snake you can't fight all those dudes or you'll have a stroke>NANO-MACHINES (the answer to literally everything weird in the series)It was alright, the metal gear and Ocelot fights were the highlights, but overall was just kinda meh.
>>745940756No. Prequels are more accurate. They turned Darth Vader into a whiny sissy who got his ass kicked by obi wan after turning to the dark side because *flips notes*the jedi council was mean to him.
www hi
>>745935007I took the game overall as more a critique of the post-9/11 culture that affected all media and culture, most of all video games, and how that would shape the people and youth living through it and how it worked at perpetuating the militaristic and ignorant attitudes that produce the War on Terror/ War economy/ Patriots.
why are 3fags like this?
Kojimbo is a hack.
No game. And downgrades.There isn't much to do. It's not freeroam. It's small it's stupid. The highlight is some of middle east and decoy octopus. And the guns which look good in the viewer.They spent long enough playing tom Clancy stuff to steal the essentials but didn't get the idea of there being a game which uses them.Used too high a resolution too. And without some imperceptible/_motion blur tweaks. So the downgrade was severe, stripped to utter shit. It probably shouldn't have been released. for some it needs to be good so they can't accept that it's bad. But it is. They made some terrible decisions. It didn't push the PS3. And it had slowdown to 20fps every time there was smoke or you pulled the trigger. No exaggeration. Facing a wall would incur the same 10fps drop. The volumetric effects cost a lot.They shouldn't release this. They should make an entirely different game to show they don't need Kojima. The PS3 version of 4 should be a forgotten thing and the new version the standard.Erradicate the anime/stupidity/lighthearted element. Make a very low res game, with lots of interpolation and depth of field amd blur and motion blur. Get some incredible graphics action and gamelay out. Play semi invisible staying alive by being on the winning side, or something moral instead. Figure out a way to unfuck some war such as disrupt and control coms, put commanders into play. Unite forces for some purpose. Probably one would be to outclass drones.
>>745944493Whatever octopus. Laughing Octopus.
>>745929565Snoystation gun and ball slop
>>745934625Is there a fanbase more infuriatingly midwitted than MGS fans?Niggers spent decades trying to decipher lore and worldbuilding of an allegory that spells out its message three times near the ending and every main character's story arc revolves around said theme.MGSV fans are genuinely schizophrenic.>>745935468The meta reason is that ocelot says to fortune in MGS2 was mistranslated so everything has to be nanomachines because 89IQ faveloids ask questions.>>745935469I would've made MGS4 but instead of FOXDIE killing off everyone left from MGS3 I would make their deaths more explicit and undignified, at the end the game bricks your console and asks you to go outside.>>745935602>as the first three games>threethanks for playing, also proving you're mentally retarded and didn't notice the game explicitly mocking you for being a cretin barely able to feed himself.>>745942839MGS2 ends with a message of>think for yourself, find something to pass on to the next generation on your ownand average goymer's reaction was>WHAT THE FUCK KOJANGLES, THIS SHIT MAKES NO SENSE WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MEAN, RAIDEN'S FUKKEN GAY>WHERE'S SNAKE?
>>745944801>2012God I remember when I saw this posted
>>745929565They made a cool engine but forgot to make the rest of the game to go with it. MGS always had mediocre gameplay, but still.If we had some sort of VR missions DLC, it would be remembered much more fondly.
>>745945050So you agree with that guy, Raiden was a dumb golem.
The game completely falls apart by Chapter 3 in a shockingly bad way that almost screams of rushed development.>Chapters 1 and 2 are dense sneakfests with multiple routes and options to advance, with cute ways to affect the battlefield. These were at the time straight upgrades to the series' stealth gameplay>Chapter 3 becomes a hyper linear slog that goes on for way too long and kills any sense of enjoyment, you can't use half your equipment and you're just trailing a guy for what must be a whole ass 20 minutes before you get to the bike section and then Raging Raven>Chapters 4 and 5 combined, without accounting for cutscenes, probably aren't even as long as Chapter 2
Don't trust anyone, not even yourself.
>>745936515He cut the arm off that was possessing him in MGS2 and replaced it with a robot arm because Liquid's ghost was inconvenient as fuck, but he wanted people to think Liquid took full control, hence he hypnotized himself to act more like Liquid but remain in control the whole time. His arm not being shown (especially when he rolled up his sleeve every time in MGS2 when liquid was in control) and then at the end when he throws off his coat for the fist fight, combined with him not having Liquid's voice, is supposed to tip you off Ocelot was in control. Idk why people miss it, him missing the voice was supposed to make you ask "what's up with Ocelot?" and the reveal he no longer had the arm was the Aha!
>>745945684He speaks in Liquid's voice in japanese version (the ONLY true canon real version)
>>745945941Engl*sh "voice acting" was a mistake.
>>745931786FPBP. OP obliterated.
>>745945973>>745945941>a jew translator's greatest contribution is "super baby method" and failing to understand genetics or the point of the game itself>he gets replaced by an unhinged hapa woman who doesn't even speak japanese
>>745929565Is MGS4 on PC gonna be the new Crysis ?
It's the ending to a franchise that had already ended. So instead of having any value to bring by itself, it had to re-open closed story threads, answering questions that either weren't asked, or were never meant to be answered.It's also barely a game. The sneaking sections are sparse and simple. Act 1's sections are boring and simple, with the last one in the base being the only interesting one. Act 2 is a bit more fun, but still extremely limited. Then after that it's mostly action set pieces with the odd token room.Shit game, shit story, simple as.
Worst mgs bosses No impact
>>745944579go play your bing bing wahoo shovelware tendie
Act 2 is the only part that's an actual MGS sneaking game. Act 1 is too dumb and easy to engage long time fans, act 3 onwards are all gimmicky.
ATTENTION ALL /v/ USERSI have been looking for years the video of Snake catching Otacon jerking off to futa. The dialogue was something like this;>Otacon: "Oh yeah, futa is my favorite">*Snake enters the room*>Snake: "Otacon what the fuck?">Otacon: "Snake! Don't come in!">Snake: "I'm already in.">Otacon: "There's nothing unnatural snake. They are like women, they have boobs.">Snake: "And penises!">Otacon: What's wrong Snake, don't you have a penis?">Snake: "Well, of course I have a penis - I don't event understand your point.">Otacon: "My point is that it is hot, and uhhh">*Otacon starts to violently masturbate">Otacon: "Uh I'm cumming!">Emma's parrot: *Parrot noises*>Otacon: "Shut up bird! Ah, EE!">*Otacon violently ejaculates, his semen hitting Snake in the mouth">Snake: "Ahhh it's in my mouth. *cough cought* AHHHH LIQUID!!!"
15 minute load times between each level with mandatory 'Snake smokes cigarettes' cutscene, so that the game can install more upcoming 40 minutes cutscenes to the HDD. And none of that is exaggeration.
>>745948482only a problem if you bought a launch ps3 with a puny 20gb hard drive and never upgraded it
>>745948482I forgot all about that. Holy shit.
>>745948482Just checked, the ending cutscene genuinely holds the world record at 71 minutes.
I have seen reviewers play MGS4 but they never show the controller that Snake uses when piloting the MG Mark II.
>>745948323https://streamable.com/j5m8d0there's a gmod video adaptation too but I don't have it.
>>745948974Thanks, but the one that I was talking about was animated crudely (Maybe by 4chan users back in the day, I don't remember very well). Haven't heard of the gmod version, so it is good to know.
>>745948974>>745949031Found it in this intro to this playthrough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJnvyfP_QC4The animation was by hiimdaisy I think.
>>745948110What were they thinking?>Let's reuse the same body model for all bosses but only replace their heads with ugly scanned goblinas! And we'll call them "the booty and the breasts"
>>745929565To me, it just didn't go in the direction I was hoping for after 7 years of waiting for a conclusion to 2. It skips over a lot of things that I think should have been factored in and some of the design choices aren't what I wanted >Snake is now an old man in what feels like a character assassination by Kojima>They handwaved the Patriot AI twist, the Raiden character, the rescue of Sunny, most things regarding Liquid Ocelot>The BnB core being rehashes of the Cobras and Foxhound felt lazy>The Codec system itself feels like a downgrade from 2s variety>The level design falls off a cliff after chapter 2>It feels more like a sequel to 3 than 2It just didn't hit right.
What happened with the writing between 2 and 4? Snake Eater was full of trash tropes but nowhere near as much as 4.
>>745929565best game ever made
>>745949483This >>745935875
MGS4 is as good as 1-3 for me. I love it and cant wait today replay it
>>745935469MGS3 needed to be the follow-up and 4 could have started the prequel trilogy>Snake/Raiden rescuing Sunny>Sunny following Emma's footsteps under guidance from Otacon >Snake taking Raiden on as a proper apprentice >Game ends with Snake and Otacon retiring after putting an end to the Patriot control>Next generation is setup as Raiden and Sunny continuing the anti Metal Gear mission of Philanthropy Oh also Liquid is actually possessing Ocelot, and none of this Nanomachine shit.
>>745949483Nobody understood MGS2 including the rest of Kojima's team and MGS3 is a retarded fanservice game for subsapient amerimutts>hurr, raiden's gay>durr, vamp is gay, y does he run on water>wtf r da paytriots?>what was solidus' doing>why is fortune magic
>>745935875Dang. 3 feels pretty off but 4 is so far off the deep end it's unreal
>>745949706This is awful
mods will fix it.i've been waiting 15 years for this game to finally be fixed
MGS1 > MGS3 >>>> the rest is garbage
>>745949706But what about muh Naomi? What about muh Meryl? Muh Vamp? Muh Johnnyyyyy?
>>745949821You arent a metal gear fan
>>745949753Yes, it's a shallow game about nothing but lorefaggotry for lorefagsIt has no soul, just a hollow husk
>>745949892MGS4 is plently soul. Gameplay is a refined MGS3 with tons of easter eggs and fun. And the lore explanations are great
>>745949787>Game that follows up on narrative threads instead of KoHACKma vibesOkay anon
>>745949949I don't expect you to understand
Anyone else been looking at 3 differently? I've been playing all the games repeatedly over the summer and 3 is pretty cumbersome. It seems to relish in you doing anything but playing the game>Cure menu>Load out menu>Food menu>Camo menu (fucking hate this)And then when it does let you just play the game the gameplay simply isn't as fun>Boss fights a straight downgrade from 2 with maybe the exception of The End>4 straight on rail sections followed by an escort mission>The actual jungle sections are somewhat few and far between when you actually break down the game progressionAnd then there's the characters and story>Big Boss is actually kind of a bitch>Support team straight downgrade from 1 and 2>Codec calls are a straight downgrade>The exposition dumps are the worst they've ever been, especially when Volgin straight up divulges information to you, a rogue agent, instead of killing you>Character assassination of Ocelot Just let me play the game Nigga
>>745949967MGS4 is a beautiful culmination of MGS1, 2, and 3.Yours is fan fiction tier of Snake taking on Raiden as a sensei and just doing fuck all.I do kinda agree with Ocelot should have been possessed, but Ive grow to like the way it was done. Liquid was only alive in a meta way.
MGS4 was kino actually.
>>745949949>the lore explanations are greatDo you have negative IQ?>EVA goes through the whole ringamaroo with SOLIDUS' beef jerky body>Real Roy Campbell was Raiden's commander despite foxhound no longer existing>Vamp works for Liquid Ocelot despite the latter killing two of his lovers>Johnny has no nanomachines but somehow accesses the SOP with a wearable computer.>Snake gets injected with FOXDIE 2 just to get access to DRM guns and kill off the MGS3 cast that's cool actually
>>745936779How? Old Snake is probably the coolest Snake around or one of them. He's unrelenting and doesn't know how to give up. Drags himself through scorched hell to finish his job. Even when people tell him he doesn't have to. Old Snake is probably the most heroic Snake there is
>>745950124Grew up gooning over MGS series but now as a sober adult I see how cringe and underwhelming all the games are. MGS1 is definitely the best of the solid series. MGS2 was the final game where they pretended to care about gameplay. Rest is a downward spiral. MGS4 is unplayable now with endless cutscenes and weird Kojima controls during the short gameplay sections. As for the story and characters? I'd rather go read a book. I don't play games for the story. John Carmack quote etc
>>745950289>weird Kojima controls during the short gameplay sections.MGS4 was literally streamlined for niggers like you to have third person shooter controls.
>>745949949MGS4 gameplay is great but it lacks content sadly. You need to replay it to get your money's worth
It doesn't work well on rpcs3!
>>745950194>the other dude was actually invisiblewhat is the point of trying to camouflage if you can just be 100% invisible?
>>745950289>i don't play games for the storyGo read a book then. Metal Gear isnt for you. Its for people who love a great story and great gameplay. Never understood you dimwits who need everything seperate.>Noooo i cant have a good story, thats for books>Noooo i cant have good graphics, thats for movies>Noooo i cant have good music, i’d rather just listen to music on its ownI like all the good shit together. Most people do. Dimwits like you try to act smart by saying otherwise
>>745950354MGS4 has some of the best third person shooter controls around and TONS of small moves that didn't really need to be there but were still added because the devs really care that much. The streamlined version is MGSV which removes a lot of these small moves and goes for something simpler.On the other hand you could start discussing whether or not it's a good change to actually have third person shooter controls in the context of a sneaking game where you want to be relatively weak compared to your opponents. I hear that, but you know the real issue? It's how incredibly powerful and ubiquitous the MK2 is. And that issue has started with MGS2 and has only gotten worse. MK2 governs everything you do, whether you have third person shooter mechanics or not.
>>745950354Because Kojima played a good game (COD4) and decided to make a MGO kino with a throwaway movie singleplayer mode
>>745950485The floating gun and knife was literally more noticeable than the camouflaged person.
>>745950508I'm not denying that, I'm in despair over subhumans getting filtered by MGS2 and 3 controls, not having free movement during aim and requiring 3 inputs for precise shooting was balanced for a stealth game.See how braindead MGS3DS becomes when you crouch walk everywhere popping tranq headshots every screen.
>>745950485It's that mode where one team has stealth camo but only non lethal weapons like MK2 (+ knife) while the other team has rifles and shit. If you hit the invisible team the entire team gets revealed for 4 seconds.Webm related, even Raiden can't kill in that mode, his blade is switched to non lethal. He's quite overpowered though since he can walk without a knife, meaning he's 100% invisible unlike the others.
>>745950621only because he was firing the gun
>>745950663I'd argue crouch walking for MGS3 is a good addition because otherwise MGS3 forces you to crawl far too much and you don't get this nice sweet spot where you can move around from mid distance without being obviously seen.3rd person shooter mechanics for MGS3 are obviously stupid, though. The game isn't intended for that.
Goofy Tom&Jerry ass game
>>745950749Crouch walking IS pointless though, walking and rolling around is a viable strategy
>>745950663Defend Wii waggle please, I want to hear it.
>>745950289>I'd rather go read a bookYou could just get an amalgamation of all of the 80s movies Kojima ripped off
>>745950873I don't want to move by rolling around. It's basically the equivalent to this weird dolphin dive strategy MGSV has where you'd just dive over and over to move because it gives you a better camo index than just walking. This is kind of an exploit and it's not very interesting gameplay wise or visually speaking. Just give me a middle spot between "I can run at full speed but I'm easily spotted" and "I'm basically invisible but I'm slow" because the game pushes you to use the latter far too much in casual gameplay.
>>745950502>Great story Come on now
>>745950502People don't think its a great story.People think it has a fun and entertaining story.A great story is something like Lord of the Rings or the Bible.
>>745935382illiterate third world retard
>>7459501243 is so overrated it's not even funny. 4 is massively underrated in comparison.
>>745950873fuck off, boomerMGSV has the perfect gameplay for stealth
>>745951005It is though. It's very engaging. You're played these games to get immersed and engaged. They're not all "high literature" if you will but that's besides the point, they don't HAVE to be fucking Shakespeare all the time to be great stories especially within the context of what they are. "Great" doesn't have to specifically be "high literature".
>>745951106MGS4 beats MGSV on that aspect despite MGSV being the streamlined version of 4. V streamlining process erases too many of the friction and interesting aspects of it, to the point where it just feels off. Still solid though.
>Good thing you have a detailed mask of Raikov otherwise the mission just stopsKojima gave up trying to have this make sense
>>745931786fpbp browns seething as usual
>>745951002
>>745951158>interesting aspectsMGS2 is shit, you fight the controls to be able to do the simplest things
>Raiden you have to live for yourself and pass your knowledge on to the future>Actually never mind let's go kill Vamp and Liquid
>>745951292Nah that's 3. 2 is intuitive and the guard AI makes sense.
>>745951292When did I bring up MGS2 in my post? MGS2 is a completely different beast, and yes you're fighting the controls a little but that's part of the challenge and why the gunfights are comparatively more simple. I brought up MGS4 since that was the closest to the MGSV formula.
>>745951292Only on the scaffolding bridges. Everywhere else is great mechanically.
>>745945601I hope Portable Ops and Plus are in a volume 3
>>745931786Based, lolcow OP BTFO. Xhe's been spamming this tranny thread every single day./thread
>>745951292Let me guess, you didn't play it with an original Dualshock® 2 Controller.
>>745951002Nigga, just memorize the enemy layout, no one actually plays MGS for sneaking. Most people care to pretend because le quirky cutscene moviegame, the others play EE and just run past everything because they have the layout memorized. In between there are faggots like you that try the hardest not the fall into the first camp, but don't have enough patience to actually learn the game.
>>745951354>When did I bring up MGS2 in my post?because MGS2 is the type of gameplay you are advocating the series to go back, it only half work because of tiny corridors and shitty AIMGS3 has the same problems because kojima still tries to make those awlful controls work in open areas>>745951332>shitty AI makes senseok, buddy
>>745951468>picholy kek
>>745951493I have a PS2 to this day, I always thought the controls were shite. Kojimbo tried to rework the MGS1 controls in a FPS pov, it just didn't work. If did work, he wouldn't have changed it with each entry in the series, would he?
>>745951108nobody is saying it has to win the pen booker prize or outdo Moby Dick, Blood Meridian etc, but it needs to be entertaining, cohesive, and consistent, Kojimas autism guaranteed that the story is broken weeb shit, "hehe otacon am I right" kind of retarded humor is not good story
>>745951494>Nigga, just memorize the enemy layoutThat's not my idea of funny sneaking. I don't want to know "okay I can run into this section from 00:03 to 00:08, then I have to lay down and I can run again from 00:14 to 0:21 and leave the area".I believe you CAN have organic interesting gameplay like in that one MGS4 trailer https://youtu.be/H7GQslg679Q?t=186Not EXACTLY like that but close enough. And I had some of it with MGS4 when I wasn't just abusing tranq gun.>no one actually plays MGS for sneakingA lot of people do. Even if you don't care that much for the gameplay part it still adds a lot to the whole.
>>745951310In 4's defense, when Raiden found out what was really going on he wanted to help Snake. Snake told to him to talk to Rose but who would want to do that? It makes sense that he would rather go fight vampires after cumming in Rose.
>>745951292the controls were fine on ps2 then they completely fucked them up on the ps3 remaster because the pressure-sensitive buttons were a lot more sensitive than the OG so aiming an assault rifle without accidentally firing was borderline impossiblethe same happened in 3 where it's way too easy to slit a guard's throat by accident, meanwhile i didn't even know that was a feature until my 3rd or 4th playthrough back in the day because you actually had to press the button pretty hard for it to happen
>>745951449Include all the non canon games too.Ac!d games, Twin Snakes, MGS GBA, Portable Ops, Portable Ops+, MGS4 mobile.Probably not a big market for it but i hope it happens. At least we got Ghost Babel.
>>745951719He was only able to help in the first place because he got involved with Big Mama, that's how he got his ass caught and Grey Fox'd
>>745951158If you>had reflex enabled>used tranq pistols and especially tranq snipers>used sleep nades>fultoned when the game doesn't force you to>equipped silencers>didn't kill the dog and the bitchyou didn't beat this piss easy gameI'm not even gonna mention actual game breaking shit like heli support and parasite armor
>>745951609>entertainingIt is.>cohesive, and consistentIt's not, but it doesn't HAVE to be except in your definition. Game development over the course of a decade is a mess. It goes in a lot of directions. It's not perfectly consistent and retcons can happen. Although you could say this didn't happen until MGS4 so in that sense you could still call MGS1-3 "cohesive and consistent", proving you wrong with your own definition.But I argue your definition is incomplete from the start. It's not about "remaining consistent" or some other low level Cinema Sins levels of criticism. It has to be thought provoking, it has to be interesting, to evoke things, to immerse the player, to be part of a greater whole... It's a work of art and it has so many things contributing to the final results. And when it comes to MGS I argue it's definitely doing good, even when it comes a bit flawed here and there.For example, MGS1's genetic talks was complete bullshit. But it was part of a greater whole, it had symbolic meaning, it related to other themes, and most importantly it was only one piece of this entire big puzzle. So it wasn't a dealbreaker.
>>745951636Go play splinter cell then you colossal faggotMGS is a sandbox or walking sim depending on difficulty
>>745951104Subsistence is the first and last MGS game to have good gameplay.
>>745951750>MGS GBAkys larperalso all of these are shovelware, bar acid2
>>745951806Wouldn't tranq snipers be less egregious since they'd at least alert the enemy when you hit them with it? But overall I agree anything silenced breaks the game, and that was already back then in MGS3.Still though, MGSV is too streamlined. There's no camo index, just.. kind of lie down and enjoy the low visibility. Almost no interior sneaking. Just too many things that turn it into a cool operator game but not a very interesting MGS game compared to 3-4.>>745951883That's MGS2 and it's vastly different. You have actual vision cones, meaning evading such vision cones with such tight precision is actually INTENDED. It's the experience. It doesn't apply to MGS3+ games. Also running makes no noise in that game, furthering my point.
>>745951310>>745951719Snake keeps rejecting Raiden's help but Raiden keeps showing up and asking Snake to let him do the job. Thankfully Raiden shows up because he saves Snake's life twice, though.
>>745951883>just play MGS2 like a memory game or shmup where you commit to memory all the enemies walking cycles, browow, what a sandbox
Author desperately trying to explain with logic and science straight up supernatural and outwordly stuff and ruining everything as a result, while at the same time tying all loose ends in the most rushed nonsensical way possible.
>>745932069Real shit
>>745952408That's the brainlet criticism. It works when it comes to the Patriots being retconed into like 6 guys instead of being some otherworldly manifestation of America/nation/control, but when people start bitching and pissing their pants that Vamp is actually powered by tech rather than an actual real life vampire, it's just silly.
>>745952483>it works when it comes to the Patriots being retconed into like 6 guys instead of being some otherworldly manifestation of America/nation/controlNo it fucking doesn't, you strawman.
>>745952294that's the walking sim playthrough, where you don't bother crawling or hiding
>>745952547I meant the criticism is legitimate when it actually removes something meaningful like the Patriots here rather than Vamp's power. Maybe I worded it badly?
>>745952483They were always AI though, the radio team just set it up but it's still an AI based on actual deep state
>>745935602>or 2 hours of Guy That Poops Himself romanceThat was still masterfully done, compared to most video games since then.
five levels and in one of those five levels you don't even fucking do anything. 10 hours of cutscenes which are not only boring, but make previous games worse by retconning everything to be worse.
>>745952636I'm completely fine with the Patriots being AI, we knew that from MGS2. And I actually really like the way MGS4 had these AI go out of control, not in a Terminator bullshit way but rather "hey, line goes up if we manufacture conflict and have X amount of people fight and die there, let's keep doing that". Terrifying efficiency.What I don't like is MGS4 telling you "hey by the way everything happened with these 6 guys you knew". Feels so much less esoteric. It's not all bad, I can see why they'd idolize The Boss but you're losing so much good things from MGS2, it's not worth it.
>>745952581It's all bad, actually the patriots just happening to be masterminded by the same dudes Naked Snake met in 3 is about the same as nanomachine 23141414 in 1 use.
>>745952408Another massively over hated game by obsessed fans who rate the previous games far too highly.
>>745952749It's not nearly the same. Whether or not the Vampire Guy happens to actually be a Vampire or enhanced by (Totally Not Magic) Technology doesn't change anything to what the story MEANS because Vampire Guy himself doesn't mean anything.
>>745929565Snake as an old man just sucks
>>745952737/thread
God forbid they add back MGO in a re-release and inject gameplay into the 95 percent movie.
>>745952834Wrong. Old Snake is the coolest Snake around.
David Hayter can't act as an old man, he's still too young, whatever voice he did in MGS PS1 was pitch perfect, he's trying too hard afterwards-
>>745952898Somehow, his voice acting was even worse in Peace Walker
Why do people keep parroting this hate for Old Snake?
>>745953107old snake was fine but he was in a shit game
>>745935676hating on POOPs when its technically MGS3
>>745953416most intelligent MGS take
>>745929565No VR release.
>>745935834Yes kojima also stamps his name on the games and tells whatever the fuck on his interviews to get all the credit, we know this already. how come Kojima games after MGS3 have been mediocre?Lets recapitulate.MGS1 - GOOD! Fukushima san worked on itMG GB - GOOD! Fukushima san worked on itMGS2 - GOOD! Fukushima san worked on itMGS3 - GOOD! Fukushima san worked on itMGS4 - BAD! recton clops and bad aside form gameplay. the things kojima works on (the story characters, codecs, direction) are all badMGSPW - kuso kojima tries to copy monster hunter and kinda failsMGR - GOOD! It's not a kuso kojima game its a Etsu Tamari and Kenji SaitoMGSV GZ - GOOD! wow he actually did itMGSV TPP - BAD! it's the sloppiest mess because kuso kojima wanted to make the GTA of tactical espionage operatorBONUS!!P.T. - BAD! kuso Kojima was never gonna finish it he same way he was working on MGR and dropped it to Platinum, the same way he wasnt going to finish MGSV until Konami put the foot down and told him to get to work.Death Stranding - BAD! more open world. Its literally MGSV all over again but with deadly rainDeath Stranding 2 - BAD! see above
>>745949392you are so fucking gay
>>745953416>no right analog>but also no top down view
>>745936542>Two people work on thing>Thing is good>One of the people leave thing>Thing becomes badWow, this must be a conspiracy theory that nobody can put 2 and 2 together about!
>>745953834I'm straight
>>745935676portable ops is kino
>>745929565MGS4 is actually pretty great when you actually get to play it....And it isn't one of the setpiece shooting/chase sections. The thing is that since the sneaking gameplay feels good it ends up feeling like it is over too soon too, especially compared to the Cutscenes and aforementioned setpieces. Anyway that's my shitty opinion.
>>745953834I stood up and spoke "kino" when I saw this fight for the first time. Unfortunately, the fights have a weird dissonance that is probably intentional, where Drebin rolls in to monologue about their traumatic pasts, after you just saw them rolling around seductively in these tight latex suits. Part of the self-aware, subversive tone of MGS4 I guess. Maybe they wanted to comment on the sexualisation of women in games, by saying, well you just fought this battle and she's hot, but did you realise she actually grew up in a warzone etc. so how do you feel about that, huh?
>>745954001>shit vs piss
>>745954081
>>745953834Fuck off, 'jima, she looks like a bogged tranny in-game
>>745953817You're too low IQ to understand MGS (a Japanese middle schooler should grasp the most important parts ) or formulate a coherent argument why you like some entries in the series and not the others and you're completely out of your depth to invent a conspiracy about a mystery writer X who was the true genius behind it and you're repeating an ancient /v/ shitpost infographic like it's Divine truth revealed to you on Mount Sinai because it was posted on /v/ before you were even born.>>745954001I love the 12FPS gameplay, MGS3 controls with half the buttons, abysmal inventory system, and an idiotic pants on head retarded story taking place on Metal Gear Online deathmatch rejects
>>745953834>Fuck off, 'jima, she looks like a bogged tranny in-game
>>745954023I hate how act 3 has some great sections but since it forces you to escort the guy it's pretty restrictive.
BEHOLDGUNS OF THE PATRIOTS
>>745954194KEK
>gold camo preorder bonussomeone at konami doesn't even bother hiding their fetish
>>745931786First post worst post.
>>745954001People underrate PO pretty fucking hard (Especially with how much PW and consequently V took roots from it) because they took the PW line to heart as "Just Cause" to hate it by default. It did some really fun shit like the AC!D crossover characters.Hot Take:Dragging to Truck>Fulton because you had to make some fucking effort for recruitment and it was an incentive to NOT always do it BECAUSE it was annoying, adding gameplay friction. Fulton is just instant gratification dispensing.
>>745954331That's not a hot take, Fulton also arguably ruined MGSV.PW is also underrated. It has one of the best MGS stories around, it just suffers from a lack of immersion with the missions system and comic book style cutscenes.
>>745954331>because they took the PW line to heart as "Just Cause" to hate it by defaultAnd it's another troonslation change>spoilerYou can also drag guys to a crew member in a box and call a radio, they can even transport multiple guys at once. It's like an actual mechanic.Survive had a similar thing too
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5Didn't play the PSP ones except Acid
>>745954470Well, color me surprised then because i was raked over the coals for that take back in the day.
>>745954539Rather it's a hot take but among the lazy idiots who only see the instant gratification in fultoning without effort and not how it makes fultoning a mindless chore that erases the bodies mechanics.
>>745929565I used to be on the kojima hackfraud train but only he has the balls to actually commit to a definitive ending for a character.After seeing what Nier has become (gatcha slop) I massively respect MGS4 for not letting solid suffer a fate like that After playing NMH3 I appreciate that mgs4 was able to tie up loose ends in a satisfactory way, so what if it took some long cutscenes to do it.Stupid bitch hackfrauds like suda have to make shitty vague sequels and end on ambiguous endings and cliffhangers because they're too wrapped up in their own bullshit to present anything more than empty symbolism.Yoko onoTaro, suda67, etc could never, their ego is unironically too big to wrap things up.Also when kojima copies a movie or whatever he does it proudly.stupid bitch Yoko ono copied megaman legends 1:1 and people give him a pass for it.
>>745954470>It has one of the best MGS stories aroundIt's been a while since I played it butwhy?
>>745954194How did you hack his webcam?
>>745954856I think it's a pretty solid exploration of the themes of deterrence/AI and also why The Boss died for the US (that isn't just "she was a patriot! and wanted to save da world i guess"). It has some really good moments like Snake convincing the secretary the nukes were fake and the Peace Walker drowning itself in song, as a parallel of what The Boss did.It also has a great bittersweet ending with Snake rejecting The Boss and becoming Big Boss himself.
>>745954194>resorts to aisloppapathetic, lower than a shartynigger
>>745954331People hate Poops because it's tedious to play, the story is genuinely fanfic tier drivel that establishes the absolutely fucking retarded plotline of >ackshylly, the patriots are the MGS3 radio crew and ocelot :) that MGS4 went and canonized because Kojima didn't want any more loose ends.
>>745955489no on hates portable ops because no one played it, le retardo. also every story of every metal gear game is a fanfic tier drivel that establishes absolutely fucking retarded plotlines left and right. the translator of mgs2 even pointed it out
>>745945394>Chapters 1 and 2 ... cute ways to affect the battlefield.There aren't any REAL ways to affect the battlefield in MGS4 lol. Try actually messing around and participating in the battles, go to any of the battlefield sections such as after the Johnny shitbarrel cutscene in Act 1 and try killing a bunch of soldiers on either side. No matter how many you kill, neither side will advance, and instead you will just see the exact amount of combatants you killed climb back into the level from a chest high wall nearby. Each battlefield zone remains completely staticThe factions mechanic is beyond half-baked, it's like it never made it out of prototype phase. You can only ever help the rebels by doing certain actions at a few specific moments like blowing up the APC before the underground tunnel in Act 1, and all that will do is simply cause all the enemy guards in the tunnel area to be replaced with friendly rebels, which IS NOT A GOOD THING in a game already lacking in proper stealth sections. Your reward for enaging with this system is you get to enjoy EVEN LESS STEALTH gameplaySame deal halfway through Act 2, where you can blow up the power station and your reward is that the optional path on the left will be devoid of enemies to sneak past. This is such a horrendous mechanic, I wonder how it even made it into the final game. But I can say that about so many things in MGS4You also have the issue of guard behavior during these war zones. Where guards have extremely erratic movements rather than proper patrols, guards will not react to sounds like they would otherwise by investigating or calling caution, guards being unable to call for reinforcements, guards remaining knocked out or sleeping forever and being unable to wake up no matter what you do to them. This last one I really can't understand. Genuinely no fucking idea why they did this1/2
>>745945394>>7459558632/2>These were at the time straight upgrades to the series' stealth gameplayHoly fuck LMAO, they absolutely aren't. The removal of the limb damage system from MGS2/3 makes the shooting feel like garbage, and no longer lets you incapacitate guards without killing them. The Solid Eye is OP as fuck (especially with its thermal mode) and marks a return to staring at dots on the corner of the screen when MGS3 proved that no radar worked fine by disabling it on any difficulty above normal. You can also no longer shoot guard radios to prevent enemies from calling an alert or calling for reinforcementsThey MASSIVELY increased ammo limits for all weapons, like being able to carry a whopping 300 FUCKING TRANQ ROUNDS on Normal (or 100 on Hard which is still insane) which makes ZERO fucking sense considering aiming is easier than ever, something that also incentivizes shooting your way through every level. Alongside that, Drebin's shop lets you buy infinite amounts of ammo at any moment, from a pause menu, for basically pennies. Which also makes most lethal ammo pickups around each level completely pointless. The whole Drebin shop system is such a baffling, shitty, horribly designed addition, it's literally built-in cheats. MGS4's mechanics are TERRIBLEGod damn man, the average gamer really has no critical eye for anything. People are so easily wowed by these war zone setpieces and muh octocamo. No one here ever tried experimenting with the mechanics, or the enemy AI. You all just coasted through this game on normal with your infinite tranq ammo headshots. Even the people who criticize MGS4 have no fucking idea what actually makes it bad
>>745953834I'm horny now.
>>745955863You can actually affect the battlefield on about 2/3 of the areas. There are a few with infinite respawns but you can help the rebels win most of time. From what I recall, you have 4 areas where you can in act 1 and 1 where you can't (the one before the big building where you meet Meryl). Similar in act 2.It's sometimes janky because the guards and rebels have a "script" sometimes and if you interfer with it they'll either pause and resume or just go back to their default behavior. The issue is that it's too easy to interfer I'd say, a single collision is enough.The guards are a lot more erratic in battlefields but it makes sense, they don't wake up but that's a pretty okay concession to make here.>>745955919Limb damage is a missing feature but it would have been a bit too powerful, considering you're already way too strong. The guards are SOP boosted so they have less stun, it kind of makes sense. You can still stun with bullets, but it's not localized. Small missing feature. Solid Eye is strong but not crazy, the dots are often misleading (especiallu with the frogs). Shooting guard radios is both too powerful and meaningless in an SOP world.Completely agree on the ammo and Drebin though.I'm not saying you're entirely wrong but asides from some systems breaking there's absolutely room for interesting organic gameplay like >>745951636It's just that it's not "robust". It can break.
>>745931786FPBP
>>745955856>the translator of mgs2 even pointed it outa genuinely deranged whore who got fired for gross incompetence from a patreon project and harassed employers of the project backers, before breaking an NDA with Konami to talk shit about Kojima under her own name instead of using the benefits of "anonymous" imageboards.
Did anybody like the Shadow Moses level in MGS4? Strip away the nostalgiafagging and what's left?
>>745948175>Act 2 is the only part that's an actual MGS sneaking gameAct 2 is 99% scripted war zones during which guards are blind and retarded and their behavior is extremely scripted. Not fucking ''actual MGS sneaking'' at allSeriously, let me go through all of Act 2>the beginning area seems like a decent stealth zone except if you get if you get spotted or you tranq the guards that are holding the rebels hostage, the rebels will get up and it turns into a shootout>the short walk up the hill is another scripted shootout>another war zone with two sides shooting at eachother>then ANOTHER war zone with two sides shooting at eachother>and THEN ANOTHER scripted war zone with two sides shooting at eachother>the mansion before the B&B boss, which has a decent layout and would have made for a good stealth area, is wasted on ANOTHER scripted war zone with two sides shooting at eachother>the mountain trail at the end is the closest thing to traditional stealth in all of Act 2, but the density of guards is very sparse for such a big area, and a lot of guards are just stationarySeriously. Try playing MGS4 again, and then think about how much of your time is spent just sorta walking around blind and deaf guards that are too distracted shooting eachother, vs actual solo sneaking where it's just you alone learning the guards' patrol routes (there's basically none of the latter)Genuinely the only worthwhile stealth zone in MGS4 is the section in Act 1 right before you meet up with the Mk2 and get your tranq gun. One of the only parts of the game where you just have a decently sized area, with guards patrolling from A to B that you can learn the movements of, with no gimmickshit
>>745956530I guess it's nice that you can actually use your lethal weapons for almost an entire act, so it's got that going for it
>>745956562Most of these shootouts you also have to deal with lines of sight. Like, you brought up Act 2-1, well even if the rebels and guards fight you have a LOT of involved and committed sneaking to do and a simple mistake gets you spotted.I'll agree about the mansion however, you DO get a few intimate sneaking moments and they're okay (like guards coming in the mansion) but it'd have been a lot more interesting with a traditional level, one like the last level in act 1.
>>745956530It's okay but I hate that you can't really tell whether these robots are only seeing through their lasers or have a "general" vision cone on top of that, it seems like it's the latter, but then it means you can't really exploit either, you need to avoid the lasers but you can't get up and do things while they have the lasers out you need to stay prone. Kinda ruined it
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>>745957329>best girl not present
>>745939330Worse, it's closer to how it happened in the remake of Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
>>745957329Mistral, imagine the things she could do with her extra arms.
>>745929565The hours of back to back cutscenes forced diehard mgs fans to realize the story of mgs is pants on head retarded.
>>745931786This game is shit but I still enjoyed it and look forward to playing it on PC.
>>745932069>make great gameplay>wrap a movie around itIf they brought back the MGO mode it would actually be appreciated but no, just the singleplayer
>>745958397shizo
>>745932069That's why anon above you is excited to experience it in 4K.
>>745956370>The guards are SOP boosted so they have less stun, it kind of makes sense. Weak excuse>Limb damage is a missing feature but it would have been a bit too powerful,You are already powerful as fuck in MGS4, you can carry more healing items than ever (a total of 30 heals on Normal, 15 on Hard, 9 on TBE) alongside having health regen, and the modern shooting controls make going for headshots easier than ever, alongside the Drebin mechanic like I mentioned basically giving you infinite ammo. You can effortlessly run an gun through the levels in MGS4, and the lack of limb damage doesn't change thatIts removal was likely due to lack of time, the devs struggling with the new tech, or lack of passion and attention to detail... maybe all three. But either way it's inexcuseable, it makes the shooting feel like garbage when you dump a mag of M4 rounds into an enemy's thigh and they don't even react, when MGS2 and 3 made even the basic pistol feel incredibly satisfying, despite neither being as focused on gunfights. I can't believe people praise 4's shooting and don't notice this massive downgradeOh and btw.... what if I told you it's not completely removed? That there are traces of it in the game? Yeah, go load up MGS4, try holding up a guard, and shoot them in the leg or arm with your 1911, they will actually have localized damage... for a moment, they might also limp around but after a few seconds or when they get suspicious or they spot you, it stops and they keep walking around as normal like it never happened lol. It's like there are the unfinished remains of the system, but they only trigger temporarily during a holdup. Try messing around with it. It's all so weird, and even weirder things happen if you try doing this during a battlefield sectionMGS4 is such a technical mess in every aspect, I really don't know how people can praise this game's mechanics or technology, and I can't believe no one other than me is pointing this stuff out
>>745949753Kojima didn't want to make 3, but Konami threw enough money at him to do so. He made a game that was an "apology" to fans for doing what he really wanted with MGS2, and it's arguable a lot of the "fanservice" is more of a mockery of the western fans of the franchise. MGS4 was just never supposed to happen, but jap fans pushed kojima for a "conclusion" to the story of MGS2. Konami came out with money and a boatload of sponsors, and Kojima is now tasked with creating yet another MGS game he didn't want to make. Now he's got to satisfy the dumb western fans that hated 2, and the dumb jap fans that didn't get the point of 2. The end result is a plot dump with a bunch of fanservice to MGS1 and 3, and a game somehow sandwiched in the middle.
>>745958709When it comes out on PC next month I'm really tempted to record some videos showing all this shit cause it's shocking to me that I've not seen a single reviewer or anyone on any forum anywhere mention all this stuff lol
>>745951104>>745951158MGS4's gameplay is pure shit
>>745958709The excuse is good actually and it's not really a relevant feature 99% of the time. I can see a case for limb damage but not this.Also most enemies are armored so even limb damage isn't really that relevant.I'll meet you on other points like the game giving you far too many items, though. This is what's actually breaking the game.
>>745957329seeing teliko and venus again made me want to replay the acid games, i like them a lot
>>745960292You're too willing to explain away every downgrade as "uhh who cares, uhh SOP did it">Also most enemies are armored so even limb damage isn't really that relevantNo, the PMC soldiers don't really have any significant armor around their legs or arms, and if they did it still wouldn't be a good excuse to remove such a good systemSounds like you're not someone that really experiments with the game and gets deep into mechanics and attention to detail. But that's fine I don't expect anybody to these days lol
>>745961212No physical radio to interrupt wouldn't be excused by "lore" if it was a relevant gameplay feature. It's not so it's fine. Limb damage not so much on the other hand.As for armored enemies I meant the FROGs.I played the game for like 70 hours. I know my shit.
>>745950124>Cure menuUser error. But seriously you only have to use one of the curatives and then the wound starts to heal itself automatically>Load out menu8 slots, more than enough to equip anything I need>Food menuOnce every 20 minutes, takes 5 seconds in the menu (and it's very charming)>Camo menu (fucking hate this)You can play the whole game with Tiger Stripe and it feels pretty well balanced around it. If you went to the menu to autistically switch camo every time your camo index went down by 5%, that's on you>Boss fights a straight downgrade from 2 with maybe the exception of The EndNah the bosses are the best in the series and it's not even close, they are dynamic, have different cool ways to beat them and actually incorporate stealth elements>4 straight on rail sections followed by an escort missionMGS3 has easily the best pacing in the series, having the least interruptions and the biggest amount of pure stealth gameplay, so I don't know how you can complain about the bike chase. The Eva escort section is such a non issue too, it lasts like 3 screens and she walks by herself, it's actually pretty fun to doMGS1 is all action setpieces and bosses for the last 50% of the game, MGS2 is all action setpieces and bosses for the last 30% of the game including the horrible sniping section, MGS4 is 80% scripted war zones, forced shootouts, turret sections, walking through empty nostalgia levels, etc.>The exposition dumps are the worst they've ever beenYou can't be serious lol
>>745949853You're right. I am a good game fan. Don't cate about bad games.
>>745961508>No physical radio to interrupt wouldn't be excused by "lore" if it was a relevant gameplay featureIt's relevant that it's not there. Like I said you can try to explain it away any way you want, it's still a downgrade. Muh SOP is a shit excuse>As for armored enemies I meant the FROGs.Except all enemies react the same way lol>played the game for like 70 hours. I know my shit.Doesn't feel like it
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>>745931786>>745947971known kikes
>>745957329Sunny cunny
>>745931786kek'd at OP seething at the FPBP that raped his schizo ass
>>745935676has anybody noticed that you never see these posted anymore? if you do see something like this it's like a tiermaker screenshot because NOBODY on /v/ has a computer, it's all just faggot phone kids now, nobody knows how to use even paint.
>>745962304It's irrelevant in the sense that it's not a factor in 99% of the gameplay. It's a funny little factor but if you can nail a radio shot you're nailing the headshot as well. It's a "torture your helpless enemy" thing more than anything else. Shooting limbs is actually something that will happen naturally during firefghts AND has an impact on how shooting feels so it's more relevant.There are lots of FROGs, about 40% of your opponents. At least these have more superarmor than your average PMC. Some weapons, like the 1911, still stun either of them but they don't leave limb damage as you said. I think high stopping weapons like 1911 should do that while the basic rifles like M4 shouldn't, which would make the M4 less overpowered. Giving it a suppressor outside of online was a bit too crazy. This and the M14 which has similar suppressor and crazy range/lethality.I'll reiterate but it's not that you're entirely wrong for me, it's just that I feel you extrapolate some true things to paint over the entire game and erase what it does well when it's not broken. I linked to a vídeo of it above and for me that's MGS4 at its best with the diversity it offers. MGS3 offers a more cohesive overall better experience but doesn't hit the same technical peaks, and MGSV has more content but is far from being as rewarding gameplay wise despite being less broken.
>>745940671This to be honest, that's the reason why 4 got way too much shit in it in the first place. The low IQ gook faggot Kojima felt the need to cram everything he pulled out of his ass for 3 into 4, which made it extremely bloated. He should've ended Solid's story first and then go back in time for his bland Big Boss saga.
>>745931786>giving Konami moneyNo Kojima, no sale.
>>7459501243 and everything made around Big Boss (PW, MGS5) is fucking dogshit and feels like low IQ fanfic downgrade compared to MGS 1 and 2. I'm pretty sure that the reason why it's so highly regarded is simply because most youngfags' first MGS was 3, else no one would care for this bland gook James Bond wanna-be trash.
Fine I'll replay the entire series for the millionth time, are the Master Collection ports of 1-3 any good or should I just emulate
>>745964523MGS1 is fine but you can get better results from DuckStation if you're autistic about graphics.MGS2 and 3 are about as good of ports as you can hope for. I think they even ported/remade the SOS third-person camera mod for MGS2 in the MC version.
>>745963424Obviously the lack of limb damage is a bigger deal for me too but>It's irrelevant in the sense that it's not a factor in 99% of the gameplayYou can shoot radios beforehand, it's an extra option you have if you're playing without the tranq gun, it's fun to mess around with. Also it's not just the lack of physical radios, but how guards in MGS4 seem to alert instantly. Unless they are absolutely alone and far away from the other guards, it doesn't seem to matter if you headshot them instantly, it's like all the other guards get alerted through wallsEven in MGS5, while you don't have physical radios on the guards you can shoot out, when they call an alert you have a few seconds to react, and you can actually cancel the alert by shooting them in the chest causing them to get stunned, something that feels far more fair and is sorely missing in MGS4>There are lots of FROGs, about 40% of your opponents.Not even close to 40%, PMC's are the main enemy in Act 1, 2 and 3. The only times you get to stealth around frogs are the few sparse ones at the end of Act 2 on the mountain path, and in Act 5 which is obviously extremely short
>>745965105>MGS2 and 3 are about as good of ports as you can hope for.Picrel was one of the best remasters I've played, all they had to do is outsource it to the right people.>I think they even ported/remade the SOS third-person camera mod for MGS2 in the MC version.Not natively, only with a fan patch
I legit believe you could make a cut of MGS4 where you remove like half of the cutscene runtime and it would be a vastly superior game. Most of the major story beats in the game are fine, the themes of aging and the world leaving you behind are good, it's just filled with so much stupid shit or stuff that doesn't matter. You could have the story just end with Snake blowing his head off instead of Big Boss returning and explaining stuff for an hour and the story still works fine. You could argue that all Kojima stories are bloated but its especially bad with this one
>>745965521>You can shoot radios beforehand, it's an extra option you have if you're playing without the tranq gunIt's just not an option you'd see in regular gameplay because it puts them into caution normally unlike stunning guards which is perfectly safe and MUCH easier. It's a fun little thing but not an actual factor in gameplay.>Unless they are absolutely alone and far away from the other guards, it doesn't seem to matter if you headshot them instantly, it's like all the other guards get alerted through wallsThat's SOP and that's not me coping, you can actually hear a sound jingle for that. It's also balancing, I'm fine with it, that means you still have a very small window of time to get them before the alert begins. It's actually pretty close to MGS3 where I remember it's the same, you have like 1 second for a CQC takedown and if you succeeded the alert will go to 0 (although still count). I don't think you should have more time than that, the game is already too easy.>Not even close to 40%You face FROGs in the Act 1 firefight, Act 2 before Octopus and after in the big trailling section, then a lot of them in 5. They make for a big part of your actual firefights since we're talking about that more than the sneaking stuff.
>>745965560Mods and fan patches are interchangeable terms in most contexts, anon.Also is your screenshot ZOE MVRS or ZOE HD Collection? It kind of sucks that ZOE MVRS only includes the second game as far to my knowledge.
Main character of the series is in fact the peepee poopoo joke character and he gets to fuck your girl.It's also literally a movie that lets you press buttons every 25 minutes or so.
>>745966351>Mods and fan patches are interchangeable terms in most contexts, anon.No they're not, what the fuck?>Also is your screenshot ZOE MVRS or ZOE HD Collection?MVRS, though patched HD version of ZOE2 was also good (and better than what bluepoint did to MGS), just not as many bells and whistles.>spoilerIt only includes the second game because first one kinda sucks and hard to go back to after 2's combat and lack of backtracking. Would be cool if they made it into another OVA though, a recap of sorts.
>>745935739The "then one will become one hundred which is one with two zeros next to it" part always cracks me up
>>745953937You're not a very smart person if that's what you got from this.
>>745929565Chapter 3's wonderful being map wasted on a tailing mission.Besides Laughing Octopus and Rex VS Ray, terrible Boss fights
>>745929565Act 3
>>745933323accurateI also hate shadow moses because of those cunt shit spider bots (chaff grenades must be collected in the game and can't be bought)
Loving 3 but hating 4 is terminal YouTuber brain
>>745949457Old Snake was foreshadowed back in MGS2, brainlet.
>>745968287>Chapter 3's wonderful being map wasted on a tailing mission.It really is such a shame. Loading a save at the start of Act 3 and ignoring the guy is pretty fun, exploring all the different paths and messing with the guards. But yeah when you're playing normally it's all wasted on following some asshole where you can't even play at your own pace
>>745945601what was the decision to have the HP and hud fucking SIDEWAYS, that always pissed me off with the handheld titles
>>745968238There's nothing to get; Kojima got carried by his co-writer and his later works speak for themselves.
>>745969174>Kojima got carried by his co-writer and his later works speak for themselves.Everything I've posted before proves that wrong. Yes, his later works writing quality is very debatable, but sometimes things are a little more complicated than they seem. The world isn't as simple as that.
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>>745936243>t. retard that doesn't know shit about productionS3 ended in the way it did because WRITERS (INCLUDING LARSON) THOUGHT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE ENDING OF THE SHOWgoogle "65 episode rule"
>>745969337>Everything I've posted before proves that wrong.It doesn't, because you still can't account for what happened in the drop in quality after MGS3, which also "mysteriously" coincides with the co-writer no longer being there. You're just being a grasping contrarian faggot.
>>745969876>because you still can't account for what happened in the drop in quality after MGS3, which also "mysteriously" coincides with the co-writer no longer being there.The only noticeable drop in quality that would happen from Fukushima's absence is a lack of optional codecs which MGS4 and MGSV are notable for, and even then codecs are more or less replaced with tapes in PW and V. You're simply just refusing to engage with obvious evidence that you haven't clearly bothered reading. Never delude yourself into thinking you're capable of making a sound argument, because you're just gonna get yourself into embarrassing situations like this.
>>745970101Then account for the writing quality after MGS3? You can't, other than this mythical scenario of Kojima turning hack for inexplicable reasons. You know what's more plausible? An "auteur" like Kojima who has proven time and again to have an ego deliberately massaging a narrative to claim sole ownership of his works, despite the common knowledge that there were other people involved. If it wasn't Fukushima, it would have been other people.
>>745970697>You can't, other than this mythical scenario of Kojima turning hack for inexplicable reasons.4 had a development of 3 years with a director change and tons of script revisions. A writing dropoff is plausible, and even then, it's not as incomprehensibly terrible as you faggots make it out to be. You're also ignoring the fact it's following up three games with fuck tons of vague details like the Patriots, the schizobabble with Liquid's arm, etc, while trying to conclude the entire series. Of course there's going to be a lot of confusing and out there developments.>An "auteur" like Kojima who has proven time and again to have an ego deliberately massaging a narrative to claim sole ownership of his works, despite the common knowledge that there were other people involved.This isn't really the case with Kojima like people pretend. He's the main director and responsible for a ton of the writing, but it's very obvious that other people are credited. Look at all of MGSV's opening missions, they credit every other scenario developer and writer.
Cool ideas for gameplay but barely any gameplay to actually use them. Like you get Act 1, then Act 2 which is like Act 1 short as fuck before it becomes a railshooter, then Act 3 has the cool pseudo social stealth bits but then another goddamn rail shooter and then it's just Kojima jacking himself off for hours.Basically the start of Kojima as failed filmmaker with zero impulse control vs Kojima as a gamemaker with people telling him he needs to actually make a fucking game.
>>745972943Reddit gear.
>>745934613Why didn't they just use this cover? Too cool to sell to western audiences?
>>745973570>he doesn't know
>>745971008>and even then, it's not as incomprehensibly terrible as you faggots make it out to be.And this is where you have to defer to straight up defending MGS4 slop to keep your contrarianism alive. >This isn't really the case with Kojima like people pretend.Notice how you keep using "they", "people", "faggots". It's always framed with "me vs the mindless plebs". You're not that impressive of an intellectual, faggot. Your contrarian iconoclast larp has led you to make arguments for not only "MGS4 isn't that terrible" to "Kojima ackshually isn't like that". You're not a serious person.
>>745973570>westernIt's the default cover in europeJapan got a white version in a premium edition, default cover was the 3D render
>>745973503always hazbin
>>745973830>It's always framed with "me vs the mindless plebs". You're not that impressive of an intellectual, faggot.Because a lot of people believe this, retard.>Your contrarian iconoclast larp has led you to make arguments for not only "MGS4 isn't that terrible" to "Kojima ackshually isn't like that". You're not a serious person.Thinking MGS4 is a decent game isn't contrarian. You're the one getting this pissy over blatant evidence in front of your face. Please get off the internet for a bit and calm down.
>>745952739I don't se why they idolize the Boss though. The in universe Boss worship never made any sense for anyone other than Big Boss
>>745969650What's the matter, haven't played MGS2 in a while?
>>745949457>>It feels more like a sequel to 3 than 2This is definitely one of the major problems. The way it tries to incorporate the 3 characters is really, really fucking stupid. It feels almost like a joke at times, it really sucks. Old snake is awesome though.
>>7459757704 feels like Söyjima constantly said "I HAVE TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING FROM 3 INTO THIS!". MGS has many obvious asspulled and cringe story elements, but nothing tops the forced obvious asspulls off MGS3 into 4.
>>745975332>Thinking MGS4 is a decent game isn't contrarian.Haha, okay. Keep thinking you arrived at this conclusion naturally and not to service this pathetic internet argument. The funny thing is, you can't even use MGS4 as an isolated incident, since it's literally all his titles after MGS3. Was Kojima "exhausted with a franchise" when he spewed out hours long mediocre exposition dumps in Death Stranding, too?
>>745936603Least delusional anti-MGS3 contrarian
>>745931786fpbp
>>745968958>>745968287It kills replayability, it's okay-ish to play once but then if you want to replay it you're forced to go the same path. And the map is so fucking big too.
>>745975637Maybe, I don't remember snake looking like a 60 year old with erectile dysfunction in MGS2
>>745976471What MGS4 needed was some side quests, VR missions or Snaketales. I wish we got a Substance type re-release of this.
>>745976741Yes, it was literally that simple. Although a bit more time in the oven could've helped since we'd have gotten stuff like the sewer escort mission in act 3. God bless the online for making the gameplay more than "cool ideas, shame it never got used".
>>745936243>the MGS4 songWhat song is that? Here's to you?
>>745941127Low key it literally was the Jedi council's fault. They had no plan other than "uhhhhh sorry anakin, we're just gonna cuck you and not let you live a life until you die of old age and you vill be happy"They were too retarded to live
>>745929565For the time it had the best gmaeplay of the series, but sadly there were like 2 hours of gameplay in 12 or sso in the first playthroughFunny how phantom pain ended up the opposite, like 3 hours at most of cinematics and story and 30+ hour of pointless open world sections. MGO2 was and still is pure ludo to this day
>>745966210>They make for a big part of your actual firefightsOnly the shootout in Act 1 is a forced firefight with the FROGs tho, and all the other encounters with them are very brief. Any stealth zone with the PMC's can also turn into a shootout so I'd say you're still more likely to fight them, so I maintain my point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xROQUdmP3USING FOR YOUR COMRADES
>>745977094I think he means the Love theme
>>745976676It's not clearly communicated visually but he's supposed to be noticeably older.
>>745976676is it ever canonically stated that snake has erectile dysfunction. it sounds like a meme but I wouldn't be surprised with kojima. Regardless, that obviously had nothing to do with Snake and Meryl. They lived two different lives and Snake was never going to settle down.At least, if you consider mgs2 canon. Real niggas know the only game that matters in MGS1 and Meryl and Snake ride off into the sunset to fuck like wild rabbits and go dog sledding for the rest of their happy lives.
>>745979537>the Love theme>look it upHOLY shit lmao memory unlocked; i DO remember that now >>745936243god its been so long and Im still here...
MGS4 is notoriously difficult to emulate, isnt it? A friend of mine tried after Vol 2 got announced but he could never get past the first stage because of constant crashed until he got fed up and quit.
>>745981712I want to believe MGS4 has at least an ounce of subtlety
>>745929565bad pacing and horrible gameplay to cutscene ratio and honestly REALLY bad performance. the bosses this game around were also pretty weak, they would just show up, you'd kill em then Drebin would read off their wiki article at you. it's extra frustrating too because the gameplay is pretty good, but there's so little of it and some areas have insane amounts of slowdown.
>>745934860naw I'll take that over>the ghost of a clone possessed a man through the limb he stole from his corpse for basically no raisinMaybe if wasn't Ocelot but someone like Psycho Mantis I could buy that angle, but because the game never really alludes to Ocelot being the same as The Sorrow power wise the ghost angle never fit right for me.
>>745981978I heard it was okay nowadays with RPCS3? At least MGO runs fine.
>>745981978There's a fork of RPCS3 that has a bunch of hacks in order to run MGS4 better. It's totally beatable with it. The base RPCS3 though will be glitchy with MGS4.
>>745981712It's just that the clones have the ability to reproduce written out of their genetics. Nothing to do with literal ED.
Is it worth digging out and softmodding my PS3 to play this finally? I'm kind of skeptical of how it'll be in the collection
>>745984749It's only worth it if you play MGO
>>745931786based
>>745984893I wish they would just add MGO to these collections. Some random guys got this running so surely Konami can do it now.
>>745931786ThisBest ending + final boss battle
Sex with Snake
>>745951449>volume 3lol
>>745949457snake was already aging fast in mgs2 which is why nobody recognized him as "iroquois pliskin", clones rapidly aging wasn't even a new thing as solidus already looked 60+ in mgs2
>>745968698this but unironically>"The price of physical prodigy... Few more years and you'll be another dead clone of the old man. Our raw materials are vintage, brother. Big Boss was in his late fifties when they created his copies.
By far the biggest problem was the stealth gameplay falling off a cliff after Act 2, outside of very briefly in Act 5. You have all these moves and guns and shit but they're only useful for less than half the game. The Old Snake moveset would've been great in V, but alas.Also only having Otacon and Rosemary on the codec was bullshit.
>>745929565I don't even remember what happened in the game. I remember the events of 1-3 just fine.
Will it use any of the dualsense features or everything has to be downgraded for the sake of parity?
sunny's eggs yikes
if you hate mgs4 in 2026, you are nothing but a nigger trying to pose as a based oldfaggot from a epic 2014 /v/ screencap and you probably like gay tranny shit like boomer shooters to go along with your fake personality
>>745987878Those eggs are a video of real cooking.
>>745987139Drebin, Raiden, and Cambell aren't codecs?
>>745988149You can't call them, they call you a few times and that's it. There are a few interesting codec calls in the game though, just not as much as before.
>>745929565the fucking hours long cutscenes about a story I didn't give a shit about
>>745965105>I think they even ported/remade the SOS third-person camera mod for MGS2 in the MC version.Nobody cares this much about this, because It's gay and much more important things were fixed or restored, that were broken since Xbox. Just check the changelog in the latest version: https://github.com/ShizCalev/MGSHDFix/releases#release-4.0.2. And there's even more in nightly like restored Pressure sensitivity, fixed lighting for mgs3. I mean there's no point in playing MC without it. Snake vs Monkey, Duel-Mode and et cetera are wip.Also don't forget these:https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid3mc/mods/4https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid3mc/mods/189https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid3mc/mods/190https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid3mc/mods/114
>>745988767i dont get playing the pc versions when you can just emulate the ps2 games. this just seems like way too much work just to play it with correct visuals
>>745988514Its gonna be interesting listening to Otacon's voice after Huey in MGSV, they are the same actor and I think he did great in The Phantom Pain. One of its highlights easily
>>745988872The MC version is fine, this is just autism
>>745988872You'll lose depth of field effect if you upscale resolution in MGS2 and the game was also made with Emotion Engine of PS2 and its slowdowns in mind, so speed of many visual effects will be broken. Software mode doesn't fix this.And It's a similar story with MGS3, especially considering that it's locked to 30 fps on PS2, so you'll have to use hack, which breaks the speed of visual effects too. Fury bossfight is practically barely playable because PCSX2 isn't capable to keep the steady framerate while showing fire particle effects. Also jungles and water too can cause the slowdowns. Basically the lack of the real Emotion Engine slowdowns caused this notorious overblown light behind The End which you can see on PCSX2 even in software mode and in HD Collection (that was fixed in MC).So you stop being sub 60 iq Sahara monkey who doesn't know how to threw few files to the game directory.>>745989153The bare MC version is cashgrab, the base game is just too good, so Bluepoint and Konami fuck ups won't bother you this much.
>>745989536is it *really* that important that a depth of field effect is not missed out? i played mgs2 about a year ago bumped up to 720p resolution and the game looked fine to me. i don't really think people are missing out because a few minor effects are missing.
>>745989536MGS3 is absolutely not locked at 30 on the PS2.
>>745991616They're not really minor, DoF if somehow can be noticeable in 720p. I say it's everywhere in the game cutscenes and It's quite noticeable. As you can expect from an old game it hides the low poly assets and different crap. There are some crossfades or slowmo effects which can flicker e.g. Vamp and Fortune "queen" scene on the bridge. Explosions are too fast too, the heat smoke effect on helicopters is like 2x stronger because again PCSX2 can't properly emulate slowdowns and this scene was made with ~30hz in mind. Let's say the game heavily inspired by movies is much more pleasant to look at with visual effects working right or fixed. So two most accurate, faithful, whatever ways to play it are on the original PS2 hardware or MC with fan fixes. Everything else is a bit too much of a compromise unless you don't have a choice. But game will still be fun anyway.>>745992207Gameplay is capped on 25/30, but the game can barely holds It. Survival viewer I think is 60. Snake Eater was criticized a bit for this after 50/60 of SoL.
>>745929565Game is complete nonsense.There's about 5% gameplay and the rest is watching cutscenes that nobody understands.
>>745992693Just an image to compare
>>745985162If they do ever bring it back it'll be its own separate thing you have to buy.
>Middle East: Good. Best part of the game.>South America: Somewhat worse, but all around solid.>Eastern Europe: Awful. Possibly the worst mission in all of MGS.>Shadow Moses: The robots need to fucking go, but otherwise great callback.>Outer Haven: Too short.
I remember I was so hyped for this when it came out when I was like 15 and was just excited to see the conclusion to the series. Now I’m older I realize how little gameplay there is and how much potential it had
Explain why long cutscenes are a problem
>>745994459It's a video game. Not a video.
>>745995027Sounds like you don't like the series at all.
>All these weapons, but the one you get at the very beginning is the best one
>>745929565>kojima: we were told we could do anything, that the ps3 could do anything so we aimed high with mgs4 only to later found out the ps3 couldnt do anything and we had to scale back what we thought we could doSony over-promised
>>745995027The previous games had tons of long cut scenes, it's a reward for the effort you put into it
>>745933580out of ten!
>>745995918Factor 5 did the same thing when making Lair.>"Wow! The PS3 will be able to handle movie level assets at 60fps! No need to optimize guys!">Actually gets the PS3 kit>"Guys, we need to optimize..."You think people would know better than to trust Sony after the "PS2 games will look better than Toy Story."
>>745997003But also, the 25GB Blu-ray disc wasn’t enough for MGS4. MGS4 was a huge game, and the single layer 25GB disc simply couldn’t fit everything. It wasn’t just a matter of game optimization, Kojima actually had to chop parts of the game down to make it fit on the disc. The joke in MGS4 about Blu-ray being such a futuristic medium that there would never be a need to swap discs will never not be funny, especially because Kojima literally had to cut down MGS4 to make it fit on a single-layer Blu-ray disc.
>>745963207qtest
>>745994459>Explain why long cutscenes are a problemBecause the gameplay to cutscene ratio is hilariously lopsided, in MGS4 the actual stealth action game practically ends after Chapter 2, the game has like 2 hours of actual gameplay. MGSV has like the opposite problem where despite having quite a lot of cutscenes its all in-between like a hundred hours of gameplay filler. MGS1-3 generally strikes a much balance between the cutscenes/gameplay
>>745988872PCSX2 has its own problems, not the least of which is the fucky workarounds you have to apply for pressure sensitive controls if you don't have a Dualshock 3.
>>746002145>MGS1-3 generally strikes a much balance between the cutscenes/gameplayLOL
>>746002145>MGSV has like the opposite problem where despite having quite a lot of cutscenes its all in-between like a hundred hours of gameplay filler.Gameplay's very fun so I don't really care.>MGS1-3 generally strikes a much balance between the cutscenes/gameplayMGS2 is atrociously paced and 3's intro makes me want to kill myself anytime I replay it.
>>745991616You're the reason everything is shit these days
>>745997685Maybe he should've cut down on fucking FMVs and keep all cutscenes real-time, the retard
>>745968590Buying guns? In Metal Gear? Huh?
>>746006291Buying equipment in 4 is a thing, yesBecause of muh war economy
>>745988872PC version of MGS2 MC with mods is literally the best and most faithful way to play the game.
>>746007808I'm playing it like that right now and had a glitch where Fortune's tears texture kept blinking in and out of existence before staying on her face permanently.
>>746007808Does the patch fix the controls? Cool spray was on the fucking right analog last time I played
>>746008605>Cool spray was on the fucking right analog last time I playedBecause it's supposed to be analog. The latest nightly versions introduced pressure sensitive controls, if you own DS2 or DS3
>>746008745SO can I use it with square or not? You liberal faggots can never answer a basic question
>>746006008you will never be a real woman>>746007808the best and most faithful would be to play on original hardware with a crt. but nobody has either of those in 2026 and nobody can be fucked paying for them.
>>746008950SOVL
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>>745929565Not much. The one thing really missing are VR Missions, Boss Rush and a equivalent to Snake Tales. Those were the shit on MGS2 and it sucks they disappeared after that game
>>746002145Its a non issue since you could skip every cutscene
Safehorny modern warfare slop """"art""""style
>>745929565Asscreed patented "follow the guy™" in Europe, followed by a mobile turret section.10 minutes gameplay on the big ship.So there's only the chapter in the middle east, the one in south america or whatever was that place and the one in shadow mose that are classic gameplay first parts. Final boss was the kinoest shit kojimbo ever made, only topped by naked snake vs the boss.
>>745934613Based euroCHADS win again
>>745935676>not liking portable opsNull post
>>745948110Liked the sniper and ragebird fights
>>745950194>mercenary attacked by PS5 games
>>746011056Game is a commentary on Modern Warfare shooters and post 9/11culture though.
>>745951883Is Raiden infiltrating a call center?
>>745940265>shit downgraded stealth mechanicsLol wut, MGS4's stealth was a straight upgrade from MGS3 from the addition of the octocamo to crouch walking and more weapons/tools to use>shitty empty levelsThere are more guards in any given area in 4 than the previous games
>>745933323Here is how I would fix it>act 1 is mostly the same but advent palace has guards to sneak around this time, the camp area where you meet liquid is also much longer and has a boss fight against meryl who is being controlled by screaming mantis>act 2 is once again mostly the same but the house with the secret passage is bigger and sequence with the gekkos in the marketplace is longer, turret scene is removed>act 3 still begins with the tailing sequences but its modified so it is way less strict and more dynamic>instead of meeting big mama and going straight to the motorcycle sequence, a conflict between the underground and the local PMC erupts so once again another battlefield stealth section is added for the last time>finally the big mama meeting happens and the motorcycle chase + raging raven serve as the climax>act 4 is mostly the same except you explore more of shadow moses and most importantly, it has actual human guardsThat is about it for gameplay honestly
>>745952737It's this simple
>>746012623>Lol wut, MGS4's stealth was a straight upgrade from MGS3 from the addition of the octocamo to crouch walking and more weapons/tools to useSee>>745955863>>745955919>>745956562
>>746015096The only thing I agree with is that the faction system was lame
>>746011056anti-sex is more sex than sexhelmet stays on
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>>745932754https://youtu.be/om6QZVMX9-M
>>746008357They were always like this, just less noticeable in ps2 resolution. PS2 had lot flickering/z-fighting issues. From the top of my head I remember them in THPS3 and Silent Hill 2,3,4.https://youtu.be/mIJyqTSKNoM?t=19850
Finally we can stop pretending MGS4 is good and everyone will rightfully shit on it as was the case for the past 18 years.The only good part (MGO2) isn't even implemented and Peace Walker is boring without COOP.
>>745934540The worst thing for me in that scene wasn't actually BB showing up, as fucking retarded as it was. It was Snake being in front of The Boss' grave, as if she had any significance for him that he respected. He didn't even know who the fuck she was until Eva went on one of the game's many exposition and lore dumps. And knowing what he knows he would have no reason to think a single positive thing about a stupid cunt whose philosophy was so incoherent it gave rise to both BB, Zero, and the Patriot system. It was, like so much, a "I clapped when I saw it!" bait moment.
>>746025575but MC Peace Walker is coming with co-op
>>745929565this franchise was always shit
>>746026167Might be worth a separate purchase just for that then.
OP has samefagged like crazy this entire thread btw
>>746025575It's gonna be 91% overall. Tied with mgsv for highest.
>>746025575pre-ordered just for ghost babe. peak metal gear, everything went downhill from there.
>>745954267Got any Mei Ling .webms?
