Sparking Zero really couldn't give these Saiyans more meat on their bones?
>>745933934and be off-model? no.their shit design is as toriyama directed.
>>745933934They could have.But then they would have gone off-model, so.
>>745933934Was it explained why this sayanigga is a walking stick? And how can he turn super saiyan when he could be knocked out by a sneeze? I haven't watched super.
>>745933934where did it all go so wrong.....
>>745934473track suit gohan looked the same, it was weird
>>745933934Damn Super was so fucking shit. At least it was super fun to make fun of it.
>>745934471why does 99% of the power go into his eyebrows here?
>>745934496
qrd on this twig? is he really supposed to be Vegeta's brother? or was that a funny shitpost an anon created years ago?
>>745934550lmao those eyebrows are doing the heavy lifting in selling the look
>>745934663>is he really supposed to be Vegeta's brother?No lol, that's Tarble (picrel).Cabba is a saiyan from another universe.He met Vegeta in a tournament between 2 Gods of Destruction.
>>745934496Toriyama's being too big for editors to pull his ear like before.>>745934648DB Minus actually.
>>745934473They retconned how super saiyans work, instead of tapping into that primal saiyan anger, it's just a tingling sensation in your back
>>745934889>DB Minus actually.Can't agree.RoF was bad.Minus, which was adapted as the first minutes of DBS Broly, was inconsequential.
Holy shit modchads we wonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AStFWK0xNaY
>>745935004
>>745934473Universe 6 saiyaniggas are all sticks for whatever reason. probably since their god Champa is a fat fuck, so its the inverse of Universe 7 (just swap fat meat with buff meat). sex with Caulifla either way.
>>745934889>makes bardock canon>contradicts the established canon of grandpa gohan finding a baby goku
>>745934789I don't know how to feel about his design.Is he cool at least?
>>745935004Modders? More like GODDERS
>>745934473>Was it explained why this sayanigga is a walking stick? Basically Cabba and the other Universe 6 Saiyans lived way more peaceful than the Saiyans we know. They didn't have a mutant lizard enslaving them and they're nowhere near as blood lusted like a Saiyan like Nappa.This just lead to them evolving into a slimmer look
>>745934496Universe 6 is the opposite of Universe 7, the one we know.There the Saiyans weren't wiped out, but aren't musclemode punchfreaks. They're more like humans than Saiyans. Likewise the Earth of U6 was wiped out and humans went extinct.The Frieza of Universe 6, Frost, stylizes himself as a gentleman while secretly hiding that he's a space pirate.
>>745934473>I haven't watched superYou haven't watched anything. Ki isn't physical strength. It's a "mental" energy that is analogous to focus (oversimplification for gweilo not familiar with Daoist/Buddhist energy body philosophy). This is obvious by the amount of times otherwise powerful characters get hurt by shit like rocks and glass when caught off guard.Super Saiyan is triggered from passing a ki threshold + extreme emotion.
>>745934473Basically they are nu-male sayjans from another universe, so they arent interested into infinite training
>>745934663In Battle of Gods we're introduced to the counterpart deity to the Kamis, the God of Destruction, Beerus. Beerus and the Kami are all part of a pantheon that spans the multiverse. Each universe is different, managed by different Kami and Gods of Destruction. They all answer to Zeno, the top god of them all, who holds absolute power. At one point Beerus and his brother Champa (the God of Destruction of Universe 6) got into an argument and decided to host a tournament of power between champions of the two universes to see who's better. Cabba is a Saiyan from Universe 6 who met Goku and Vegeta and awakened Super Saiyan from them, becoming the first Universe 6 Super Saiyan. He's by far from the last, or the strongest in Universe 6.
Wasn't it confirmed that the devs are gunna change the AI in sparking zero because apparently the current iteration is just straight up cheating and its making the whole game dogshit since the online is dead?
tarble is lucky
>>745935421Okay hotshot explain why the aliens with no concept of ki are always at a consistent power level regardless of what they're doing. Ginyu was 120k at all times so no level of being "caught off guard" is gonna make him lose to rocks or glass.Are you gonna sit here and tell me training ki is counter productive?
>>745934473That's just a general problem with Super, literally everyone lost body mass. Trunks was the worst offender, not only he looked like a stick when in Z he was buff as fuck, but they also made his hair color blue just because.
>>745935302>Is he cool at least?Iirc he's a weakling that got sent to some planet far away in the galaxy and instead of colonizing it he made it his new home and eventually married the thing Vegeta's bowing to in picrel.
>>745935871>not only he looked like a stick when in Z he was buff as fuckHe had to be buff in Z to survive the Androids. After Cell was defeated he returned to his future and destroyed the Androids and Future Cell and got to live happily until Black arrived and started rampaging.
>>745935323>>745935359If they're not a fighting race then what the fuck are they doing in a tournament of the most powerful warriors of each universe
>>745935721I don't know, but one can hope.The vanish wars are exhausting, even for someone like me who plays offline desu.
So basically supers artsyle and animation are garbage and low budget.
>>745935004>>745935050>>745935304Casual reminder that as good as his mods are, you're only ever going to get Goku and sometimes Vegeta and their fusions.
>>745935947Oh no they're still as strong as Goku and Vegeta because reasons
>>745935919Wrong, he also had to fight Babidi and Dabura to stop the resurrection of Majin Boo (which was expanded even further in Sparking Zero). Even so, you know that's just an excuse because the Super's lead artist couldn't draw muscles to save his life.
>>745934473Westoids gave Dragonball shit for having their characters look like all natty vitamin maxxers and Toriyama got real lazy so Super characters all look like malnutrioned children.
>>745935947Champa figured that if Beerus was fielding Saiyans then he might as well too. They do pick up Universe 7 training and transformations pretty quick, but Goku and Vegeta still have them beat in terms of experience and raw power.
>>745935753nta, but power levels were an invention of frieza's empire and were shown time and again to be inaccurate and unreliable. even sensing ki was unreliable as it was measured against their own ki as a baseline.
>>745935989Are his mods paid?
>>745935302>>745935904non-canon OVA-only character
>>745936281I think he charges for early access and then releases the finished thing for free. Riota is the one that charges for his mods. And he also shares the same poll problem where all the people buying only want Goku and Vegeta and their fusions.
>>745936310Bulma "Vegeta's brother" in both, BoG and its DBS anime recap when thinking of stuff to throw at Beerus iirc.Regardless, Toriyama invented and designed Tarble, so he's very much canon.https://xcancel.com/koyamatakao194/status/1468610808368500737
>>745935753>the aliens with no concept of kiScouters? Being able to do ki blasts?>are always at a consistent power level regardless of what they're doing.Earthlings were unique in being able to seemingly raise ki without transforming. Seemingly is the operating word because we don't actually know if they literally gain ki on the spot or it's them hiding it through some magical/obscure ki technique means.>Ginyu was 120kWe don't actually know what that means exactly. Where is the ki and what is it doing? Ki is mentally moved around in the body and outwards in ki blasts. Just because Ginyu has a scouter reading of 120k worth of ki doesn't mean all of that is being used in the moment. It's funny you use him specifically as an example because his body change with Goku and both of them having difficulty actually using each other's energy is evidence that it isn't just the body's strength. Like the entire point of Ginyu getting so enamored with Goku's body no homo and getting burned by it is to get this point across about ki.
>>745935947He saw that U7 saiyans were ungodly strong, so he went and had Cabba pick a couple more that he would think were also very strong. In the grand scheme of things, outside of Hit who was on a league of his own, U6 was more gimmicky and relatively very weak, they were only carried by Kefla and Kale who had to fuse as a last resource and the two Nameks who fused with almost their entire planet to have a chance.
>>745936654Ginyu literally put a hole in his own chest before the swap and Goku's 180k power level was the result of the kaioken not just "muh ki" retard-kun
>>745936440this upsets me so i'm choosing to be autistic about his specific references
>>745935004>>745935050>>745935304>literal obvious self advertising >>745935989This. Amazing how 90% of this community loves to reinvent the wheels over and over. Always a "I redid Goku/Gohan/Vegeta/Gogeta" mod
>>745936654>>745936761Now that I think about it, it's because Goku trained his PHYSICAL BODY that he was able to get the kaioken up to x20 because otherwise it would be unable to contain the amplified ki and it would EXPLODE
>>745934648I hate Golden Frieza. They should have given him Cooler's 5th form and made Black Frieza an ever further evolution
>>745935584Holy fucking turbo jeet AI BROWN post
Power Levels were a good thing and addition to Dragon Ball. They just started discarding it because Toriyama is a goddamn lazy hack and had to make justification for his nonsense power boosting because he kept forgetting aka not giving a shit.
>>745937036holy fucking rude you god damn nigger.
>>745935989People that shills graphic mods are the goddamn biggest cattles on the community. 90% of the time you won't even be seeing the characters face yet you worship those modders like Gods when they do shit any average joe modeler do.I miss when what was considered a good mod was having something added to the gameplay.
>>745937213The best mods are the ones that put the girls in skimpy outfits :^)
>>745937152Watch your words when replying to me, you jeet animal with skin BROWN like my shit. You are not even considered human enough to be called a nigger, absolute fecaloid mutant freak.
>>745937258>The best mods [porn addict troon babble] [tranny emoji]
>>745937314>trannyfagAnother one lost...
>>745937346I will literally outlive you, faggot.
>>745937152There's a lot of bots now, anon. Don't engage with them.
>>745937409You will never take attractive natural born women from me you mentally ill dick cutting freak
>>745937578>projecting You will never be a woman.You will commit suicide in your 30's.You will end up like that friend of yours that offed himself.
>>745935302Tarble? No, Cabba? Also no
In the manga, Cabba had muscle in spite of his frame. The anime was just all over the place with its quality.
>>745937712You will never take what we love from us no matter how hard you try
>>745936761Gohan and Krillin were going toe-to-toe with Ginyu-Goku, both of whom got decimated by ReCoom who himself got destroyed by Goku without needing Kaioken.>>745936963>Goku trained his PHYSICAL BODYYes, and he was also raising ki. Exercise is a form of meditation. It's hard to explain without writing a novel, but the energy body and physical body are closely linked but not the same thing. Read about Daoist internal alchemy, Qi Gong, idk. You are missing a basic cultural element to this.>>745937125>Power Levels were a good thing and addition to Dragon Ball.Yes but people, including yourself it seems, thoroughly missed the point about them.
>>745937753Your tranny delusions never was real and never will be.I'll be laughing at trannies while you're ending your own life.
>>745937762>completely missing the pointkys fake scholar
>>745937762>Shitjita pig """opinion""">literal gay porn imageI did NOT peruse.
>>745935947They’re still fighters, their universes Frieza leads a galactic peace keeping force that some of them work for, it was a front for criminal shit in the anime but nobody knew that but I think it was legit in the manga, Caulifla is a gang leader and Kale is her subordinate.
There's nothing more laughable about retards thinking deep about Dragon Ball concepts when it's creator was a literal "hahaha poo farts tits" manchild that only wanted to lazy out and fuck off while demonizing his editors that kept shitting on his retarded ideas.>dude read about chi quan blah blah it explains why dragon ball works like thatYou're a goddamn redditor.
>>745937812Stop replying to me trannyfag your mask has already been removed
>>745936761>>745936963>>745937762Actually, now that I think about it, Jheese literally said when Vegeta was fighting ReCoom that Vegeta's power level was around 20,000. Ginyu in Goku's body was also around 20,000. So how do you figure it being just being Kaioken?
>>745937894iirc, the U6 Saiyans were in fact a galactic police force, it was only Frost who would cause crimes in secret only to solve them so he could be hailed as a hero and given hefty rewards. But yeah, Caulifla was just a gang leader with Kale as her adoptive sister figure.
>>745938000You will never EVER be a real woman. You're a twisted goycattle with brain destroyed by porn addiction. Your fate? To die by your own hands.
>>745936654Way way back at the start of Z Radditz basically explains it as Earthlings were capable of making attacks that were stronger than their actual power level, like despite Goku’s power level being 412 or whatever using the Kamehameha pushed him to something like 700-800 and the special beam cannon put Piccolo a little over 1300 iirc.
is the game better after the update
>>745937748oh shit that's like 400x betteralso holy shit vegeta is like 5'4"
>>745937983Apparently people ITT are too dumb for Dragon Ball because it's not like any of this ki stuff isn't clear from just paying attention. It could be a dubshitter issue too.
>>745933934Blame Toriyama obssession with skinny characters in his last years
>>745937762with this image anon has spoken the trvth
>>745937919now it's just gohan
>>745934473Do people still think size and musculature correlates to power in DB? Frieza is the size of a preteen child but could vaporize planets.
>>745935947What's funny is that they're multiple times stronger than og Saiyans, but still look like they have bulimia
>>745938089It's not really just "Earthlings" if Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta learned how to do it just fine. Earth just had the most developed martial arts and spirituality compared to most aliens. Aliens didn't fully grasp what ki was neither did 99% of Dragon Ball's western audience
>>745938292the vegeta x nappa dynamic painted that clearly, but even frieza's wheelchair form had muscle definition
>>745938015Because he was literally using the kaioken when they were doing the big power level reading scene, why the fuck else? If Goku was natty 180k Ginyu would've been closer to it.The way you worded your shit makes me think you're about to suggest that I was saying that Namek Goku's strength ONLY comes from the kaioken so before you take a victory lap over this gotcha I want to once again point to the sad attempt at using Goku literally dying in Ginyu's body as an example of muh ki. If anything Goku in a healthy Ginyu body would be stronger than Ginyu
why is toei remaking super
>>745938580It was embarrassingly bad
>>745938504>If Goku was natty 180k Ginyu would've been closer to it.But Ginyu in Goku's body was barely above Vegeta before getting raped and gaped by ReCoom.>The way you worded your shit makes me think you're about to suggest that I was saying that Namek Goku's strength ONLY comes from the kaiokenOk, what else would it be that wouldn't be evidence to what I'm saying? Kaioken is multiplicative so it would be most of it. Goku without Kaioken beat ReCoom, Butta, and Jheese easiler when Ginyu in Goku's body was being pushed back by Gohan and Krillin. I don't know how you could cope out of that.
>>745937748I don't get why they made the U6 saiyans such STICCs when a precedent for how to design a skinny character in Toriyama's style already existed and in Super no less with Beerus and SSG Goku representing a more lithe, athletic build.Atleast they made SSJ versions of Kefla and Kale sexo muscle mommies. All the U6 Saiyans had terrible designs for their base forms.
>>745938429It was an Earthling technique, like how being able to hide your power level was something apparently mostly practiced by Namekians.
>>745939171Technique. Knowledge. Not this weird mentality bs you're pushing lmaoLike look at Goku Black he was knowledge checked hard on transformations but once he knew how to he was neck and neck
>Why come genius martial artist use body better than not martial artist>seek buddha for answersyikes
>>745939358Assumedly
>>745939371>Technique. Knowledge.This "weird mentality bs" is apart of that, retarded spic. I don't know why you think ki is some external label being foisted on. The series mentions it constantly. You'd know if you weren't a dubshitter.>Like look at [SHITper fanfiction]We are done here.
I love Pan...
Hey it’s Chopsticks! Now photoshop his nose to be bigger and his arms smaller.
>>745939608Shitper thread thoughbeit
>>745935196Bardock was already canon, Minus just enshittified the story by 200%
>>745939659This is PanGOD territory, now.
>>745933934Super is so fucking gay man
>>745939775Bardock’s canon story was a zoomed in panel where he’s just sitting their, and then dying in the next panel, Minus , or at least Broly’s adaption of it, still had that.
>>745937983>when it's creatorStopped reading there, ESL.
>>745939608I'm sorry but an entire argument to defend filler rocks and super's inconsistent power levels leading to seething about super being mentioned is hilariousUnder no circumstance should Goku be hurt by something so benign even at his lowest of "guards" or ""mentalities"" his body alone should be beyond sturdy to contain the vast amounts of ki. Doubly so when he's transformedEven if Goku had NO ki and was literally just a corpse it would still easily tank bullets or little ring lasers or whatever the fuck else and if you think otherwise you might have brain damage
>>745939959Nah Minus got rid of all the kino that was Bardock's OG story of his crew dying and him swearing to avenge them with his blood soaked bandana. The manga tacitly calling back to the OVA basically means all that shit happened before SHITper ruined everything.
I just install mods so that half of my roster is CapeKINO.
>>745940078That ova was literally never canon
>>745940176Neither is Super or GT
>>745933934They could, and should because they're the most retarded shit I've ever seen. But it's accurate to the source material, because toriyama was retarded when designing super. Which also carried over to daima. >>745938292>Frieza is the size of a preteen child but could vaporize planets.And yet his normal form had clearly defined muscles and his 100% form was giga buff. His weaker forms were literally created to be weaker forms
>>745940176'Twas.
>>745940248that's goku
>>745940286Wrong, it's Goku's HEROIC father BARDOCK who STOOD UP to Lord Frieza even knowing of his INEVITABLE fate thanks to FORCED PRECOGNITION!
>>745940248And that part is in the Broly movie
>>745940391It literally isn't. He doesn't have the symbolic bandanna in the movie, meaning the events leading to him donning the bandanna never happened, meaning it's a retcon, meaning you're a bitch.
>>745940248that chapter also has the scene with vegeta getting jobbed hard
>>745940072It was started from something that isn't unique to SHITper, i.e. retards still thinking muscle mass correlates to strength in DB.>his body alone should be beyond sturdy to contain the vast amounts of ki.Do you think any fleshy body could store a physical energy to explode planets? You could accept that retardation or accept the basic definition of "ki" which is non-physical quasi-spiritual energy but that will hurt your retarded secondary spic brain because you can't grasp that a series with a shit ton of references to religion and east asian martial arts (heavily influenced by daoism and buddhism btw), that make a very specific point in one of it's most pivotal arcs that you can't trust the quantitative measuring devices of godless aliens, would use such a concept.
>>745941245If Yakon didn't eat too much he would've been fine
Goku looks so fucking bad in the vanilla game. Thank goodness for PedroTx.
>>745941337>Pedroheh
>>745941353I mean, he's from Brazil...
>>745941337Every normal humanoid character looks like shit.
>>745941445What the fuck? That's miles betterBut is he one of those fags that tries to charge for mods?
>>745940120Kek and you installed pan mods to cum all over your screen with your skinny fat arm. Specially while fighting against Beerus on very easy mode
>>745941337>>745941445G'd for advertising you fucking monkey
>>745943096>But is he one of those fags that tries to charge for mods?Unfortunately yeah. The mods are good and show how terrible the Shintani-inspired models are, but I'm not a fan of the early-access Patreon shit.
>>745941337>>745941445The weird thing is, Shintani’s art on the boxart is more muscular and on-model than the in-game models. What exactly were Spike even basing the in-game models off of? You can tell some of them are Shintani inspired, but even character models who weren’t drawn by him look weird and shitty.
>>745943785>>745943923Fear not friends the next game will drop the Shittani style and follow the Kubota Daipa style
>>745943963Isn't Daima's style based on nuToriyama?
>>745944029All the anime ultimately follow Toriyama's art style of the era but they each have a character designer in charge of drawing the reference sheets everyone follows so it a lot of quirks of their unique styles seep in
>>745943785Bro that shit is like infinitely better, like wtf where they thinking with this game?
>>745933934>>745934473>>745935169Everybody in Super are either sticks or retarded balls with no detail like >>745935727 (I know that isn't super but it seems be the start of Toriyama just not giving a damn). Legacy characters get some small bulk to stop people from complaining too much but even then you end up with shit like pic related (they like giving everybody tracksuits as well for some reason) but everywhere they can they cut corners and shit out the most effortless thing possible even races like the one that taught Goku how to teleport have been turned into detail less blobs because drawing wrinkles was too much effort.This is just the artstyle, the story and lore rapes the series even harder. It is the worst attempt at reviving a franchise I have seen and I am surprised nips haven't lynched the creators.
>>745943785>Unfortunately yeah.I get how difficult it is to do this, as a modder myself, but you're building off of other people's IP. Mods should be labors of love with no expectation of financial gain. This guy is a giant faggot and is part of the reason that jap devs/publishers are finally starting to attack modding. What a shame.
>>745943923>>745944138The models that aren't inspired by Shintani's style are better than the ones that are. Turles's hair and muscles are more accurate to his anime appearance. He also doesn't have that ugly beak-like nose that Goku has.
The only thing that makes me mad is that I can't turn Super Saiyan with Bardock's dbs suit.
>>745934648Hold on you posted the wrong image. I got you tho.
>>745944391ZASED fuck this gay movie and all the rape it wrought
>>745944391>>745944453And that came to life because of the stupid american live action movie
We already got cool muscle Saiyans
>>745944520super is mostly dogshit but i still think nuly is better than zly
>>745944391>Battle of Gods>Battle of Gods (Definitive)>Battle of Gods (Super)>Battle of Gods REMAKEI'm tired bossI'm so so tired
>>745944520>worse broly and worse gogeta>only look good when animators say fuck and go off model>>745944548based retard
>>745944565>say fuck*say fuck it
>>745944565sorry i like raging retard hulk mode broly, shits way cooler than the og one who was basically the same as every other z villain
>>745944565*better broly and better gogeta
>>745944561What new things are they adding aside from reanimated scenes?
>>745944175Gohan became a vegetarian, I see
>>745944175Krillinbros.....
>>745934471In the long, sad list of things that followed End of Z these designs have to be the saddest.
>>745944640>>745944692Was that your best shot?
>>745944705Dunno, they've been pretty tight lipped about it so farShould be airing in the fall
>>745944784kickass fights > smug seemingly unbeatable bad guy #53
>>745944784>"Kakarot, how much do you love your son?"
>>745934473>Toriyama designed new saiyans in his new art style when he had begun to hate drawing muscles of any kind>also forgets to give them tailsLore conclusion: The tail pumps some amounts of ape hormones into saiyans at all times, not only during full moon. The alternate universe saiyans were born without a tail so they're deficient.In simpler terms: They have Saiyan equivalent of hypothyroidism
>>745944909This movie was truly greatSeeing unhinged Vegito in his fullest was KINOToo bad Super Hero went that 3D style
>>745944909>kickass fights>retard throwing a tantrum and stomping aroundAlso how come people like retard super broly so much but not retard super cell
>>745944964>retard throwing a tantrum and stomping aroundcorrect. it was incredibly fun seeing broly just wail on goku and vegeta with zero technique or finesse and winning with just raw uncontrollable retard strength. youre not pointing out anything profound by shining a light on broly's tactless fighting style, thats the appeal
>>745944964>>745945056Maybe in 10 years we'll see Broly training and honing his power animatedMaybe we'll even see Beast vs Broly tooGod how are Teoi So FUCKING retarded when it comes to DB
i like the cooler movie with the deftones soundtrack
>>745945056Maybe pick a better webbum next time that was hardly a fightunless you think Goku sandbagging for the thousandth time is fun to watch>>745945127also this dude got mad downgraded and already dropping the retard act altogether
posting my headcanon theory that recoome is a saiyan
Heroes Begita SS3 is infinitely better than Daima SS3..
>>745945374>and for my last trick I'll ruin one last Bejita design forever (raughs) (dies)
If you were a Krillinfag, he actually benefited a lot from Super.>started training with Goku before the ToP arc began>upgraded his Taiyoken and Kienzan techniques>defeated Base Gohan>after training with Goku and 18 for a bit, he was able to force Goku into Super Saiyan in a match on top of Satan's building>beam struggle with a holding-back SSB>fought on par with and defeated enemies who could hurt 18 during the ToP (18 after training was also on par with 17, who could hurt a tired Jiren and fight on par with Goku)>that same 18 survived a beating from Anilaza, who was knocking around SSG Goku and other high tiers>post-secret training Roshi defeated Tenshinhan, but Krillin was able to steal the glasses off of Roshi's face without him noticing, which caused Roshi to sweat and ask how Krillin did it (wide-eyed and stuttering as well)>in Super Hero, was able to kick Cell Max in the face and cause him to spit up a bunch of saliva (stated to potentially be stronger than Broly)>helped Orange Piccolo lift Cell Max's foot as he was trying to crush himHe got the mother of all power-ups just by having two strong sparring partners. Reminder that Krillin turned down training with Goku back in the Android Arc, so this proves Earthlings can get crazy good gains from training with Saiyans.
>>745945446Thankfully none of this is canon
>>745945446He literally is the strongest human and has a hot breedable wifeHe won
>>745945446Thankfully all of this is canon.
>>745945525Oh yeah? What chapter what page of the Dragon Ball manga?
>>745945446I'm proud of my manlet. If only Yamcha and Tien got pushes as well.
>manga>canonwe've been through this
>>745945585If it is not within the pages of the holy book it is not true gospel
Say it with me. STRONGESTWINNER.
>>745945687Excuse me sir but how does this pair of panels depict the entire events of >>745945446
>>745934471>a random Saiyan goes Super>they just replace his entire face with Goku'sI honestly can't believe it. They even changed the shape of his fucking eyes. That's not style consistency, that's just pure fucking laziness.
>>745945687Yup, yup, fucking YUP. The STRONGEST, as stated repeatedly.
>>745945815I feel like you "people" have gone on a complete tangent after being confronted
>>745943514>projection>schizo delusionsKWAB!
>>745944483Say what you want about Evolution but at least it didn't introduce midichlorians to Dragonball lore.
>>745945446counter point >>745944758
>>745945056>me arguing that retard broly fight is kino, but dumbass broly was overall a better movie
The best Dragon Ball Z movie is Metal Cooler Dragon Ball should be exclusively watched in Japanese prove me wrong, you can't, I am objectively right
>>745944959Gogeta
krillin is the fighter with the best work/life balance
>>745946491>fighterretired>workwtf job does he even do outside the obvious joke of course
>>745946650by work/life balance i'm not talking about in-universe job, i'm talking how balanced their training/fighting is with their home life.goku and vegeta are all training and have completely fucked home lives. gohan is all home life and has completely fucked his training. roshi is a good balance, but he never got his home life in order.
>>745935304spics are too powerful for everything DBZ related. They become ubermenchs when it comes to kakarotto related matters
>>745946398I thought the Turles Movie was the best Movie>Dragon Ball should be exclusively watched in JapaneseIf I was still a dubnigger I'd have missed out on so much good musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtBcsDf74L8
>>745941445We need an all-in-one skyrim tier overhaul mod that fixes literally everything in this game from models to sfx to explosions etcand it would still not measure up to tenkaichi 4 on an emulator
>>745947137why is he so ugly?
>>745933934>Hear there's a rogue like mode added like dragon world that's fun>Download game again >Mode is complete dog shit where stat bonuses mean nothing compared to starting stats, starting stats aren't equalizedI should've known betterTenkaichi games can never be good
I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.I'M ACTIVATING SELL MATCH.
>>745934496>>745934889What happened was that Toriyama only did muscley designs for a brief period lasting all of about 3-5 years.Before that point he did chubby designs, and after that point he did lean designs. At least people aren't pretending to like Toriyama's art anymore, it was embarrassing when all of /v/ collectively pretended they really liked the look of Sand Land or acted like Daima wasn't a gigantic waste of time.
>>745944175>(they like giving everybody tracksuits as well for some reason)The innate distinction between Dragon Ball fans and Toriyama is that DB fans view the series as something like He-Man or whatever and all they think about is stuff like pic related, whereas Toriyama still viewed DB as his goofy little world where a bunch of pretty normal guys also happen to be really strong.
>>745947231Turles is also really good, but I feel like the metal cooler movie has some of the coolest fighting that isn't just a ripoff of something from the showIt also has some of the best musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dFJz7kmNK8
>>745946398>The best Dragon Ball Z movie is Metal Cooler No.>Dragon Ball should be exclusively watched in JapaneseIf you like retarded granny tranny screeching
>>745936310Hes also in an episode of dragon ball super.Unfortunately he is canon.
>>745946398>Dragon Ball should be exclusively watched in italianFTFY.
>>745934915It's honestly hilarious how they go about it>Caulifla: So how do I become a Super Saiyan like you?>Cabba: Oh, you need to go through intense rage and trauma until something finally snaps and it just happens.>Caulifla: That sounds really annoying. You can activate it at will now without needing every time, right?>Cabba: That's right.>Caulifla: So just tell me what it feels like when you do it yourself.>Cabba: Well, it's like a tingly feeling in your upper back and you just let the tingles build up until it bursts, but you can't just->Caulifla: [transforms into Super Saiyan]This seems like the most common sense approach that nobody ever bothered explaining to anyone. But to be fair, in the manga>Future Trunks is already a Super Saiyan from the start in his origin chapter with no indicator of how he achieved it, nothing like the anime special where Gohan's death sets him off>Future Gohan is likewise not explicitly given any origin story for Super Saiyan>Vegeta's first time is all off-screen, the anime creates a flashback>Gohan's first time is in the Room of Spirit and Time, but the story cuts to him as he first successfully transforms without dwelling on why or how, the anime creates this whole setup with Goku firing a Kamehameha and forcing Gohan to do or die>Goten can just do it in the manga without explanation, the anime comes up with their own scene explaining it>Kid Trunks is similar, except the anime didn't come up with a scene explaining it
>>745934915>They retconned how super saiyans work, instead of tapping into that primal saiyan anger, it's just a tingling sensation in your backThis was never the case in the manga.>GokuGot mad.>TrunksTrained.>VegetaTrained.>GohanTrained.>Goten & TrunksIt just happened for no real reason.
>>745937712Lmao you're getting sent to Iran.King migger made it so trannies dont have to go.Enjoy dying for israel mr manly man.What a faggot you are.
>>745940072The rocks are retarded because like you said with no ki he can deflect bullets in episode 1 of dragonball(It did hurt him tho, not like wounded but he was like "ouch")The ring can be bullshitted as being a very strong laser but its still dumb, accepted in the version where he goes to base, unacceptable in the version where he didnt even power down and is still fucking blue.
>>745949096Dragon Ball fans fundamentally don't understand Dragon Ball and assume it'' something it's not. It's one of the reasons why the fandom is a unique cancer.
>>745938132Vegeta's always been small.He was supposed to be 'younger' than Goku too.
>>745949675People pretending Super Saiyan was a meaningful transformation when they gave up on showing it happen with... the second one is hilarious to me.
>>745943785Pateron piracy websites exist btw.
>>745944964>but not retard super cellbecause his interactions with other in anime/games like fighterz were pretty funalso calling wakamoto to just scream on mic for 10 hours for the movie was a colossal waste of resources
Shintani lost.
>>745944640Nta but Z Broly is superior in every single way other than power level and thats only because he's from decades ago.Z broly in heros regularly stomps everyone so, if he were still in the timeline he would be the strongest.
>>745934915>They retconned how super saiyans workThis is what retards believe, in reality they just explained the mechanics behind it as focusing your ki in your back which happened almost every time a Saiyan transformed.
>>745949675I think the tingling back thing is exclusive to his universe (because Akira Toriyama is lazy and didn't feel like coming up with a traumatic experience for both Kefla and Kale). But to be fair, it already started getting ridiculous in Z when actual toddlers could go super saiyan.
>>745934265>>745933934It's not even just Cabba, look at the models of other Saiyans like Goku or Vegeta. They look like sticks.
>>745933934GT >>>>>>> Super
>>745950071Nah, GT is always going to be the worst.
>>745950059>I think the tingling back thing is exclusive to his universe (because Akira Toriyama is lazy and didn't feel like coming up with a traumatic experience for both Kefla and Kale).Hey if you actually read the post you responded to, you'd realize trauma had nothing to do with it at all and is a meaningless qualifier that only exists within the anime.
>>745950045>if he were still in the timeline he would be the strongest.You say that but Broly God was a thing and he was stomped by Goku fused with humans.
>>745945223He was never retarded, just fake autistic due to only having two people to talk to in 50 years of life, one being his dad and the other a literal monster.
>>745950148>>745950045Still weaker than the j
>>745934547>picDid Goku used a stun-double for this scene?
is this game worth playing for just the single player mode? i see it doesnt have denuvo
>>745949558To be fair.If you do the pose and scream as if you are trying to become a super saiyanYes I know you tried it as a kid we all did.You do actually feel tingles in your back muscles so I dont actually have a problem with the tingly back thing.
>>745950242Jewren the gay?
>>745950059>because Akira Toriyama is lazy and didn't feel like coming up with a traumatic experience for both Kefla and KaleAnon, only Goku and Broly transformed because of a "traumatic experience"Trunks was already fighting as a Super Saiyan before Gohan diedVegeta just appeared as a Super Saiyan, the flying off into space and crying thing was filler.Gohan trained with GokuGoten and Trunks just turned one day without trying.
The reality is that most of Toriyama's contributions to Dragon Ball beyond the base idea of the story have been completely negligible and the greatest mistake of modern DB was over-investing in his supposed 'genius'. Most of what people like about the series had nothing to do with him.>Super Saiyan rage transformationsAll Toei.>Bardock SpecialToei.>Trunks SpecialToei.>BrolyToei.>The dramatic tone and storytellingPrimarily just Toei.>The epicness of the transformationsAll Toei, most of the time they just happen in the manga.Even some of the fights, like Goku vs Majin Vegeta, that was Toei. The films with their iconic villains, Toei. Super Saiyan 4, Baby, Super 17, and the Evil Dragons were all Toei.Meanwhile Toriyama have given us>DB MinusA ripoff of the Bardock Special except with none of the cool or interesting parts.>Dragon Ball SuperA series where nothing happens. The arc most people like (Goku Black) wasn't even thought up by Toriyama.>Dragon Ball DaimaLiterally "Toriyama's Dragon Ball: The Show", and if everyone here were being honest (like they were when it aired last year), you'd all say it fucking sucks.And now, despite Toriyama not being some kind of secret ingredient to "good Dragon Ball", the next decade of this franchise will be spent "ADHERING TO HIS VISION", ie remaking or adapting every last fucking thing he put his hands on.Like seriously, who fucking asked for a Sand Land game? Or watched the shitty anime? Or wanted a retread of DBS because "Toriyama wrote it and we need to be FAITHFUL to his vision!"Fucking retarded.
>>745950242Bullshit, Z Broly is a walking monstrosity, Jiren is just a guy who did nothing but masturbate alone for 100 years.>Broly>genetic freak>his muscles are because of his power>also retarded down syndrome child>can tank 5 z warriors and not give a fuck>maniacally enjoys destruction just because fuck you>child abuser, with gusto>Jiren>whiny scared piss baby>did a lot of pushups because other people are unreliable wahh>homosexually flexes his muscles at other men from a distanceit just isn't comparablebroly's power is maximum (oh my god he's so cool!)
>>745950148>Broly God was a thing and he was stomped by Goku fused with humans.Fused with Literally me, and considering powerscaling and cosmology an actual human is infinitely more powerful than any and all fictional characters.That fused Goku is infinitely stronger than most character in fiction, unless they can also affect the actual real world like I can.
>>745944270This looks disgusting. Look at this twink
>>745950879Looks better than SHITku.
>>745950679>>Super Saiyan rage transformations>All Toei.>>Bardock Special>Toei.>>Trunks Special>Toei.>>Broly>Toei.>>The dramatic tone and storytelling>Primarily just Toei.>>The epicness of the transformations>All Toei, most of the time they just happen in the mangaExcept for Broly and Bardock, which were designed by Tori anyway, everything here was Tori, not toei.>Super Saiyan 4, Baby, Super 17, and the Evil Dragons were all Toei.No one liked these until recently, Super 17 is still considered the absolute worst arc in Dragonball to date.>A ripoff of the Bardock Special except with none of the cool or interesting partsIt was Tori's official origin for Goku and not a full manga about Bardock so no it wasn't a ripoff. It was also a minor chapter in the Jaco manga.>The arc most people like (Goku Black) wasn't even thought up by Toriyama.Everything in Super up until Moro was all Tori. He even off handedly mentioned Zamasu in an RoF interview where he said that he intended to make super Saiyan blue's hair white but it would have clashed with the next villain which was Zamasu.There's a reason why the super manga has been absolute garbage since he gave the reigns to Toyble.>you'd all say it fucking sucks.No, because unlike something like GT it can be enjoyed on its own and has decent animation.
>no tailI fucking hate Toriyama, I miss the monkey muscle saiyans
>>745950975>betterI don't know and I don't care. Why does Turles look weaker than my fat neighbor
>>745935421>>745935753It's not that deep guys.When Piccolo first meets Raditz he senses how above him the guy is and starts shitting himself. Meanwhile the scouter tells Raditz that this green guy is just some fodder and Raditz doesn't give two shits about him.When Piccolo is getting ready to fight, taking off his weights and warming up, the scouter says he drastically increased his PL. It's not enough to go against Raditz but he still went "oh shit these guys got stronger out of nowhere what the fuck".And around the end of the fight, the scouter picks Piccolo's PL again it was above Raditz.Basically, Ki control makes you able to punch way above your weight, and Earth warriors were laps above Frieza's army on that.
>>745950872>That fused Goku is infinitely stronger than most character in fiction, unless they can also affect the actual real world like I canAnon, Vegeta has had more of an impact on the real world than you have. If you really want to take that angle then there's not a single human in that theatre that could amount to him.
>>745951095SO WHY THE FUCK DOES IT MAKE YOU SUSCEPTIBLE TO ROCKS
>>745950093GT concluded.Super is literally being remade and its manga counterpart is likely in permanent limbo. Imagine waiting 13+ years for a conclusion to Super. GT for all its problems wrapped things up in a short year.
>>745951049Post a picture of this “neighbor” of yours. Right now.
>>745947137How do I get to be a porn actor like this fat retard?
>>745951208okay I lied I was the neighbor
>>745935871>made his hair color blue just becausenot "just because" you dumb nigger, he's supposed to have bulma's hair colorshe was purple haired in the manga and so is trunks, but the anime changed her to blue and then when trunks came along, they still had him in purple like retardsthen super just changed trunk's color to match bulma (instead of the other way around like they should have, honestly)
>>745951193>GT for all its problems wrapped things up in a short year.Yeah because it was failing so they cancelled it.
Everything Toriama had direct involvement in sucked ass. Buu was garbage. DBS was garbage. Toriyama turned Saiyan's into happy Smurf villagers and Bardock was turned into Superman's dad.
>>745950679>"Toriyama wrote it and we need to be FAITHFUL to his vision!"Hmm... I wonder why there can't exist both, the author vision and the fanservice version.
>>745950987>everything here was Tori, no toeiFalse.Toriyama did one Super Saiyan rage transformation.Toei did five.The Trunks Special in the manga is about 13 pages of nothing happening, where the anime version completely changes the tone and story.Broly and Bardock being designed by Toriyama means nothing, he didn't write them.The dramatic tone and storytelling that people remember DB for is primarily only in the anime, and the transformations in the manga mainly happen instantly, in one page.>No one liked these until recently,Super Saiyan 4 has been beloved for decades, and people always liked Baby and the Evil Dragons. By Super 17, I also meant his design/character, which people like.>It was Tori's official origin for Goku and not a full manga about Bardock so no it wasn't a ripoff. And it sucked.>Everything in Super up until Moro was all Tori. And the core thrust of the arc involving Trunks and Goku Black was Iyoku.>There's a reason why the super manga has been absolute garbage since he gave the reigns to Toyble.The irony is that Toyo wrote the Moro arc, it was famously his original work, which people liked, whereas Granolah was one explicitly worked on by Toriyama. >No, because unlike something like GT it can be enjoyed on its own and has decent animation.It is not actually, and the animation is okay at best. The whole work is largely an anime where nothing of any real interest or meaning happens, where the characters never grow or change, and where not even the fights are fun or interesting. Just punchups and beams.
>>745951193I like how that screenshot basically says>we only made GT because it was in the prime time spot and losing it would have ruined sales for everything else.
>>745950987>No one liked these until recently>actually no one likes SS4Yeah, sure faggot. Everyone loves SS4
>>745951360i liked granolah more than moro tho but both overcomplicated themselves and drew out too long
>>745950840>oh my god he's so cool!Especially his ultimate BIO-form
>>745944964Yes actually, the original Z Broly movie had basically no real fight, just Broly tanking everything until the one punch. You might not like Super Broly as much as a character but the actual FIGHTING in that movie was top notch (despite the camera going too crazy at times) and vastly better than the Z Broly movie.
>>745949096>>745949324>assumptions assumptions assumptions>dragon balls fans don't understand REAL dragon ball like fart jokes and arale!Omg stfu you cringe niggers.
>>745951320And still wrapped it up. It was going to end at Baby but they got more 'budget' and I say that term loosely and got two more arcs out of the deal as well as a TV special. If GT really is bad, imagine having it around for 13+ years with no conclusion in sight. They knew full well it wasn't supposed to be a long-term project and placed it right after the original manga's ending. How the fuck is Super gonna take the ending into consideration with everything it added?>>745951383And people would lose their jobs. It was a noble move. Super being dragged out for so long is appalling to anyone who considers themselves a Dragon Ball fan.
>>745951109Bejita would job to me.I'm infinitely stronger due to being real.
I want to grab her tail and fuck her non stop until she gets pregnant
>>745951701You'd be the one getting pregnant anon.
>>745951738Men can't get pregnant and I would be okay with her riding me or amazon style
>>745951428I don't disagree that it had more actual fighting but you gotta find that choice of webm humorous, literally starts with shitper broly stomping around like a retard and has some of the most stilted animation of the movie.The camera thing was weird, like how many times did they do the retarded head spin thing? I think it started in Battle of Gods. It doesn't look good and nobody moves like that but they keep shoe horning it in. Has anyone made a compilation? It'd be kinda funny to watch them in order
>>745951360>Toriyama did one Super Saiyan rage transformation.Tori did three, Goku, Gohan with 2 and Super Broly>Toei did five.Toei did one. That's not a joke either. Trunks was already a super saiyan before Gohan died, that holds true for the toei butcher too. Z Broly didn't transform out of rage he just was a super saiyanAnd then there's Bardock in that Episode of Bardock special, a special where literally nothing happens.>Broly and Bardock being designed by Toriyama means nothing, he didn't write them.Designing them is more important than writing for them given that toei can just copy tori or just not give a real reason like Broly.>The dramatic tone and storytelling that people remember DB for is primarily only in the animeIt's all in the manga, the anime just elongated scenes unnecessarily ruining the tension.>Super Saiyan 4 has been beloved for decades, and people always liked Baby and the Evil Dragons. By Super 17, I also meant his design/character, which people like.Yeah, no. SS4 has seen more love as a reaction to blue, until it was known as the retarded pink furry form with magic pants that didn't make any sense.Baby and the Shadow dragons, no one talked about outside of how goku jobbed to them hard. The shadow dragon arc especially since it had things like goku being saved by nature.And no one liked super 17's design as for his character, half of the problem is that he didn't have any.>And it suckedSay what you will but it conveyed the Saiyans better than FoG did where they just saw a bloody and beaten Bardock and thought he was lying.>And the core thrust of the arc involving Trunks and Goku Black was Iyoku.Iyoku didn't work on Super at all. What on earth are you talking about?>The irony is that Toyo wrote the Moro arc, it was famously his original work, which people liked, whereas Granolah was one explicitly worked on by Toriyama.Your screenshot says otherwise with tori writing a draft using existing ideas, he barely had any input.
Modern Toriyama might have sucked but everything good about Dragon Ball comes from his artistic vision and immaculate sense of pacing.Toei anime can't even begin to compare with Toriyama's gracefulness. It's like two different universes, the Toei being the Kodomo version while the Toriyama version looks like a fucking gekiga that respects the reader's intelligence. Toei's version is actually THIS stupid.
>>745951360>and the animation is okay at bestYou know that's higher praise than "decent" right?>The whole work is largely an anime where nothing of any real interest or meaning happens, where the characters never grow or changeYeah several new characters do over the course of Daima which you clearly didn't watch. You might be mistaking Daima for GT where literally no one changes because no one has a real character there.
>>745952103>and has some of the most stilted animation of the movie.I don't think you understand what "stilted animation" means if you think that describes that scene.Also no one knows what "head spin thing" means.
>>745951526>And people would lose their jobsAnon, because lost their jobs BECAUSE GT was so bad and killed the franchise's momentum anyway. If it didn't exist then they would have just been shunted to other projects.
>>745952134>SS4 has seen more love as a reaction to blueDelusional
>>745952295Oh you sweet summer child I almost don't want to enlighten youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRbF7yYacC4People liked it once and they turned it into a STAPLE
>>745952380Yeah, they are indeed delusional but that's the contrarianism that comes with hating Super.
>>745952410Anon, what the fuck are you talking about. There's nothing in that video that's in the webm.
>>745952481What the fuck are YOU talking about I'm talking about something completely seperate to that webm riffing off your weird camera work comment Shit that looks like the character doing this with the camera being equally schizo
>>745952558>Shit that looks like the character doing this with the camera being equally schizoYou mean shouting? The thing they've been doing since like the 90s?THAT'S what you have a problem with?
>>745950059At least with Goten/Trunks you could write it off as their dads already being powerful and SSJ forms when conceiving them. And even then they still act like kids and obviously havent trained as much as any of the main cast.
>>745952609I originally thought you were reasonable but you're actually the most retarded of us all. May god have mercy on your soul.
>>745952134>Toei did one. That's not a joke either. Trunks was already a super saiyan before Gohan died, that holds true for the toei butcher too.I don't know why you feel the need to make shit up unless you're trying to retroactively apply Toriyama's really shit and uninteresting take on Trunks to the Toei version. Also, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, etc.>And then there's Bardock in that Episode of Bardock special, a special where literally nothing happens.Yeah, because it was promotional shit for Heroes.Toriyama made a chapter where nothing happens for fun and overwrote the original story for it.>Designing them is more important than writing for themNobody would care about either without the writing, which is why nobody cares about Toriyama's Bardock.>It's all in the manga, the anime just elongated scenes unnecessarily ruining the tension.Added tension you mean. There is no tension in Gohan vs Cell whatsoever in the manga, or any of the Buu fights that last all of five pages.>Yeah, no. SS4 has seen more love as a reaction to blue,Why do you go on the internet and lie?>Baby and the Shadow dragons, no one talked about Which is why one of the most requested SZ characters were the Evil Dragons?>And no one liked super 17's design as for his character, Again, SZ?>where they just saw a bloody and beaten Bardock and thought he was lying.Because the special was telling a story about hubris and comfort with inflicting tragedy on others because you're not the one being hurt.Toriyama's Saiyan society is also fucking nothing, you learn nothing about it beyond Gine being a housewife.>Iyoku didn't work on Super at all. He did. He's also the reason why Broly was brought back and why Gohan was in Super Hero.>Your screenshot says otherwise with tori writing a draft using existing ideas, He still drafted the arc, which was not the case for Moro which YOU tried to give Toriyama credit for.
>>745952558Oh my god.It's struggling.You have a problem with people struggling to escape something. Holy fucking shit.https://youtu.be/txky0DdR8rMEven GT with its extremely limited animation has that.
>>745952181>Yeah several new characters do over the course of Daima which you clearly didn't watch.Oh yeah, all the great characters of Daipa like uh... they change, totally bro, their names were uh...Daipa is a story where nothing happens. Nothing is learned or gained, none of the characters have any real stake in the world or anything that happens, they just continue to exist.The closest thing to an 'arc' for any character was the blue guy not really changing at all and just shifting his wish to something else. The entire anime is a travesty that shows how mistaken the staff were to put so much faith in Toriyama's ideas, because Toriyama's ideas SUCK. You will never, in a million years, convince anyone to like Daima more than any other part of Dragon Ball. It misses the point of the series, it fails to have anything worthwhile on its own beyond "muh sakoooga" (which is still worse than the heights Super reaches, let alone DBZ), and its biggest moments are stolen from other DB anime.
>>745949096>whereas Toriyama still viewed DB as his goofy little world where a bunch of pretty normal guys also happen to be really strong.Toriyama literally had the staff working on the anime replaced before the Saiyan saga because they were still treating the series as a goofy little world where a bunch of pretty normal guys also happen to be really strong.
>>745952758That's not at all the same thing nor are they "struggling" every time this happens. They just start doing that.I also don't think Goku was struggling in the BoG scene just powering up (the retarded and unecessary head and camera spinning appears to have confused you greatly). Unless you wanna start up some good ol' ROCKS argument this time with ROCKS > GOD I suggest you stop replying to me you brain damaged ape I no longer have any respect for you.
>>745952934>Toriyama literally had the staff working on the anime replaced before the Saiyan sagaThat wasn't Toriyama, that was Torishima.Torishima's idea was popularity, and he saw Saint Seiya's production as having elevated a mediocre manga to great heights, so he wanted the same for Dragon Ball to ensure more success and advance his career.
>>745952934That wasn't Toriyama though was it?Aside from that yes Toriyama did get a bit edgy but he never lost that goofiness. Meanwhile stuff like >>745949096 is 100% unironic edge without anything else.
>>745951193If GT was a success it wouldn't have ended either. The sole purpose of GT was to milk Dragon Ball further without Toriyama's manga.
>>745949675All of that is better than having an itchy back.
>>745952997Damn I got get into the back scratcher market on planet Salad gonna make a fucken mint
>>745951193Super has a conclusion. All of it takes place withing a couple of months then they don't see each other for 5 years, meet up for a tournament and then Toriyama forgets everything he did with Trunks and Goten in the Buu saga and everything he was building up for Gohan since the Saiyan saga and has Goku fly off to fuck some Indian kid.The end of Z was as shit as super.
>>745952667>I don't know why you feel the need to make shit up It's called a factual statement. Facts don't care about your feeling and don't change. >Also, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, etc.Goten? Of all characters?Vegeta wasn't out of rage in the anime he specifically said he didn't care so that was apathy, Gohan was Tori but Goten literally did it by accident against Chi-Chi.>because it was promotional shit for HeroesIt had nothing to do with heroes they just made it because. >where nothing happensYou keep on saying this but it's obvious that you're only saying it because you don't like it, not because it's bad.>Added tension you meanNo. Because when something goes on for too long you just want them to get to the point so the tension disappears. That was the problem with Namek exploding in the anime.>Nobody would care about either without the writingOther way around, imagine if Broly was skinny or had a cape like Toei's original idea for god, do you think anyone would care about the writing?>Why do you go on the internet and lie?Again, it's a fact. There's a reason why magic pants is synonymous with SS4.>Which is why one of the most requested SZ characters were the Evil Dragons?Where? Because I'm pretty deep into DB communities and I've never seen anyone ask for them. OGDB was in massive demand though and look what happened.>Again, SZ?See above.>Because the special was telling a story about hubris and comfortNo, you're reading into things that weren't there. Also let's not forget about the shoehorned in future sight which kind of takes away from bardock's character because he's just acting on what he sees instead of it just being in his character to care.>He didHe didn't. I don't know why you're even trying to lie about that.>He still drafted the arcAnon, a draft is the barest storyline using the concepts that Toyo had already made. It's unlikely that he even included the parts about Bardock given it doesn't mesh with the rest of the story.
>>745950840https://youtu.be/FJBgzX2HMe8&t=1377
>>745952667>DaipaI was taking you seriously up until here but it's obvious you don't care one iota about Dragonball. But hey, the fact that you can't remember their names let alone their arcs proves you didn't watch it.
>>745949096>>745952985Having Gohan dress as a Russian isn't goofy, its just gay.
>>745953371Are you talking about Super? Super is a lot of things, I don't think it's really representative of the difference between Toriyama's artistic vision and the dumb shit the western fanbase took from it
>>745952948Just recalled UI Goku also doing this while screaming and maybe powering up? might be more related to screaming than anything else. Shitper Broly was screaming a lot in the movie so it's probably why it happened so much there
>>745953431I was replying to somebody who got triggered that it was pointed out that a lot of Super characters wear tracksuits and tried to defend it by saying the original DB was goofy.
>>745953574Yeah alright I don't think the tracksuits are great. Maybe one could work but it's really lazy overall.
>>745951193>GT concludedConcludING and a concluSION are two different things. While GT ended it didn't have a real conclusion because Goku just flew off for no reason whatsoever and fused with the dragon balls like that was supposed to make sense when it doesn't. They're a creation of Kami powered by Dende, Shenron didn't really have the autonomy to do something like that nor should it have affected someone as strong as goku.Then there's everything else that just needed explaining like how the Shadow dragons even came to be if there was like an almost 20 year where they didn't use the balls and how they lived without Dragonballs to save their ass because the world they live in is fucking chaotic. Say what you will about Super but because of the way it's written it can end anywhere and still be a satisfying ending with Goku continuing to do what he does purely for the love of the game.GT just ended leaving everything up in the air because everyone working on it was a hack.
I always assumed that the lack of a tail kinda changed their biology. Instead of muscular barbarians, they turned into scrawny twinks. Kale is an exception because she's kind of like Broly.
>>745953574>that it was pointed out that a lot of Super characters wear tracksuitsWho other than Gohan did?
>>745953302>It's called a factual statement.In the special, Trunks transforms because of Gohan's death.>Goten? Of all characters?It's still a rage based transformation, something people LIKED.>in the anime he specifically said he didn't care so that was apathy,And then there was a flashback showing it was rage.>Gohan was ToriNot the initial transformation.>It had nothing to do with heroes they just made it because.Its only contributions were to Heroes' expanding cast of characters.>Other way around, imagine if Broly was skinny or had a cape like Toei's original idea for godYou mean like how Beerus is skinny? Because Toei would've made Broly a big musclebound guy anyways back in the Z days, retarded hypothetical. >Again, it's a fact. There's a reason why magic pants is synonymous with SS4.In your head.>Where? Because I'm pretty deep into DB communities and I've never seen anyone ask for themNuova Shenron and Super 17 were some of the biggest missing character requests.>No, you're reading into things that weren't there.It was there, the literally thesis statement of Bardock's character is that he is someone who knows of his own demise and can't do anything to prevent it.>instead of it just being in his character to care.Because he doesn't? Again, he's not Toriyama's character.>Anon, a draft is the barest storyline using the concepts that Toyo had already madeNo, a draft is a draft. If Toyotaro made the arc, they'd say that, like with Moro.>>745953337Sounds like you're mad.
>>745946398>willingly listening to dying cat, nails on chalk, chain-smoking granny gokuSUBhumans, everyone.
>>745953757Android 18 iirc.
>>745953757Goku and 18
I'd honestly watched Daima a million times over GT. Sure Daima definitely isn't perfect either but at least they had some entertaining fight scenes and eye candy. I genuinely think Goku vs Tamagami 3 is one of the best fights in Dragon Ball.GT was a boring as slog all the way through, the only arc I thought was just alright the Baby arc. Super 17 was dumb as shit, The Shadow Dragons while very cool in concept all suck except for Nova. The main "Trio" is also pretty shit, Goku obviously does most of the work, Pan has nothing going for her and is just a damsel in distress and nobody genuinely gives a shit about GT Trunks
>>745949096>>745952983>>745952985>>745953431All I am getting from this is that Toriyama was the George Lucas of Dragonball and after more talented people made him famous he destroyed his legacy with Super (the Sequels).Looking forward to Japanese Disney buying Dragonball and making the show about Uub.
>>745954217>Daima is only good in comparison to something I hate (for reasons that also apply to Daima)LMAO
>>745954217Goku vs Tamagami 3 was absolute peak but then they didn't do much later, it's really weird how they blew their load on this so early. The rest was pretty boring.>>745954273>more talented people made him famousRetard. It's the exact opposite. Toriyama was popular DESPITE getting a shit adaptation. Everyone who reads the manga for the first time after watching the anime gets impressed by the level of quality.Modern Toriyama lost the plot, but...
>>745954373>Retard.Don't be so hard on yourself.
>>745939801>doesnt even post an imagePathetic Pan poser.
>>745954451>no counterpoint whatsoeverAlright, do what you will.
>>745953574Toriyama wore tracksuits.
>>745954516Your entire argument was that the Dragonball anime wasn't popular and to throw out insults at people who know that isn't true. Replying seriously to that would be like screaming at a bird for having a shit in public.
>>745935304>>745935004Based>>745936957>obvious self advertisingDon't care, it's a free mod. Fag.
>>745954556Zesty
>>745954690I literally never said the Dragon Ball anime wasn't popular. I said Toriyama was so brilliant even a shitty adaptation like the anime couldn't sabotage it enough to make it disappear.
>>745952825NTA but Daima is better than Super and GT
>>745954801Come on now not even the biggest daipa die hards believe this
>>745954852I never watched Daima but as far as I understand it didn't have marvel multiverse bullshit and itchy backs so I am inclined to agree with him.
>>745949096>>745953431If stick figures in tracksuits was his artistic vision he probably should have stopped drawing buff dudes in armor and Gis.
>>745954939Well guess what it did
>>745955002Toriyama's artistic vision was shown in his manga drawn in that era, modern Toriyama is different.
>>745953787>In the special, Trunks transforms because of Gohan's deathHe was a super saiyan before that. The only thing they changed was the control he had over the form so he couldn't hold it.>It's still a rage based transformationIt wasn't rage based at all, he was just sparring and changed. I think you need to watch it again.https://youtu.be/8Hqf_UOOwh0The only thing that could suggest anger here is slanted eyebrows.>Not the initial transformation.If you're going to go with the initial transformation then that still doesn't count with Toei because he doesn't transform for the first time when goku tells him to get angry, he transforms when he blocks Goku's Kamehamehahttps://youtu.be/kPX1smCpHfwHe explicitly doesn't get angry when goku tells him to think of Frieza or cell.>You mean like how Beerus is skinny? Different species and intent design wise anon. In fact being skinny is what made his design good. >Because Toei would've made Broly a big musclebound guy anyways back in the Z daysYeah everyone knows, if you hadn't noticed I was referring to how they were going to make God buff and with a cape.>In your headUnfortunately reality isn't in my head it's why you can find things like this from over a decade agohttps://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Why_when_Goku_transforms_to_SSJ4_does_he_magically_have_trousers%3F>Nuova Shenron and Super 17 No, next to no one ever brought them up unless it was a conversation about BT3 or they were making a joke about Super 17 and 17 (Super).>he's not Toriyama's characterTori literally created the character. Toei only wrote their shoddy story.>, a draft is a draftAnd a draft isn't a complete story.>Sounds like you're mad.No, it's more that why would I even bother taking someone who unironically says "daipa" seriously?
>>745955052>Toriyama's artistic vision was shown in his manga drawn in that erAnd it wasn't stick figures in tracksuits.
>>745953787>Because Toei would've made Broly a big musclebound guy anyways back in the Z daysTori designed SS Broly anon.Ironically toei made the skinny Broly.Also toei had like no variety in designs until Janemba and Hirudegarn.
>CHAD Piece got 2 movie annoucements>SHITgon SHIT got nothingCHAD Piece WON!
>>745954852Honestly for me it's >Super > Daima >>>>>>>>>>>>>GTThe only good thing about GT is unironically the last episode. I genuinely love the finale of GT
>>745955165You need to stop thinking that tracksuits were common like it wasn't just three characters.More characters wore the turtle hermit gi.
>>745955030Oh
>>745955232Anon, Super literally has a new anime on the horizon, Xenoverse 3 and just released a massive dlc for SZ.
>>745955259Yes actually if you wanted to highlight Super's lack of creativity you'd bring up everyone returning to their classic, marketing approved looks. Very unlike Toriyama.
>>745955259>stop talking about the thing that proves me wrongYou know what, just for you, I will.
>>745954939>but as far as I understand it didn't have marvel multiverse bullshitYes and no, the other universes exist but it's not like they're plot relevant. They just get mentioned off handedly. The demon world is about as multiversy as hell is.
>>745954852GT was absolute boring trash and the best parts of Super were the filler episodes.Yeah Daima mogs them both.
>>745955350Anon, you're not proving anyone wrong with 3 characters.
I agree, stop talking about tracksuits and lets start talking about how 99% of non human characters in Super are some variation of this >>745935727
>>745949869Goku learned the kamehameha from just watching Roshi do it one time he probably knew how to use ki from his grampa he just does't knew how to do ki blasts at that time
>>745955434I mean...
>unironic daipafags in the threadEverything it does DBS and GT already did but better.Literally the only reason why anyone remembers it is because of contrarians who just go>uh y-yeah it’s better than GT and SuperBut if you press them they fold and freak the fuck out
>>745955629>and GTGT doesn't do anything better.
>>745955432Anyone wrong about what? That Gohan picture was taken directly form Super, it was used in a list of things wrong with Super. One sperg took offense at that specific complaint and tried to compare it to the goofiness of original Dragonball and started talking about how nobody understood Toriyama's original vision even though even a casual flick through of the Dragonball manga showed that stick figures in tracksuits wasn't at the heart of Dragonball.If you want people to stop talking about tracksuits stop arguing that the tracksuits are more representative of Dragonball then the things in the actual original manga.
>>745955693Did Super Saiyan 4 better.And had two good arcs to Daipa’s zero.And two good antagonists to Daipa’s clown Jiren.
>>745955769I'm the Toriyama vision guy and I didn't really defend tracksuits, my point is clear >>745955330
The original DB wasn't just Toriyama doing what he wanted for his vision. It was a negotiation between him and his editors. IIRC they had to ask him to focus on fights. And in the revival era, Toei would pitch stuff to him, he would approve anything and just modify which was not how DB worked in the manga era.
Super feels like somebody took every negative stereotype of DBZ (endless transformations, nothing but people screaming and throwing Ki blasts, Goku is an idiot and a bad father) and said all those things are awesome lets make a show about that.
Yeah but does it have the ultimate fusion warrior in it?
>>745955860Then stop getting upset every time somebody calls that bullshit out.
>>745955842>Did Super Saiyan 4 better.Nope, literal asspull into tear licking. And not just a single lick goku savors that shit like he's into yummy girl tears. And then there's the beach memory with him saying to Pan that the sea is salty because people pee in it so it's like he's savouring the taste of piss. >And had two good arcs to Daipa’s zero.It doesn't have a single good arc. None of them make any sense whatsoever and many of them could be ended in a smart way that they never do. Like they could have just made the black star balls inert by having piccolo create another namekian entity. >And two good antagonists to Daipa’s clown Jiren.What good antagonist?Baby was a copy of hatchiyackSuper 17 sucked assAnd only one shadow dragon was an actual threat. Goku and Pan were shown up by a seagull with one of them.
You now remember that Daipa introduced a whole new fusion method and then never used it once
>>745955842NTA but the only thing I'll give you is Super Saiyan 4 looking better,>had two good arcs Fuck no, I'll give you Baby but even that arc was just alright with a lot of dumb bullshit thrown in >two good antagonistsAgain Baby was fine but literally every other GT villain was either shit or forgettable.
>>745955769Anon, it's three characters.Three.Over the course of the entire show. That's like saying DB has an obsession with everyone wearing suits. You're the only one sperging out about this like it matters.
Everything after Super Saiyan 1 was a mistake.
>>745956083>literal asspullBetter compared to Daipa’s “It just happened for no reason”.GT had pathos in the transformation. Daipa just wanted a transformation for the sake of it.>It doesn’t have a single good arc.That’d still put it on par with Daipa if true (which it isn’t).>What good antagonist?See above. Your argument fails because you KNOW Daipa is bad, so you can’t actually give it praise, you can only put down far more creative and meaningful anime.
>>745956130See >>745956202
>>745956165What does that have to do with the Dragonball manga? Maybe try reading the post next time, retard.
>>745940120>raped spic from /a/ keeps attention whoring in spic /a/ threads like he isnt one of themHere, peasant, have a (You)
>>745934473Dbz super is fan trash, Toriyama hadn't given a fuck for years at this point.
>>745955629The only contrarians are the power scaling obsessed tards that shit on Daima only because it dialed things back and gave characters a bit of a reset.
>>745955913It was Toriyama drawing stuff on a chapter to chapter basis so it contained Toriyama's vision and idiosyncracies far more than whatever came after including Daima
>>745956420Daipa is literally power level fagging shit. It’s all about transformations and INFINITE POWER and all of that.
>>745956514Thanks for proving you didn't watch it.
>>745935904>fucks a shortstack every night what a guy
toriyama really fucked up dragonball with his bullshit you can tell he was surrounded by yes men and the japanese seniority shitworse than george lucas with his autism
>>745956576I did. It jerked off SS3 and 4 and added evil eyes and shit. The last three episodes are a big (boring) fight.
>coolest Toyotaro original villain is a MLP rip-off villain >removes all his uniqueness to turn him into blue Cell
>>745945446I mean you're right, but also ultra instinct roshi is canon too so "x fought y who fought z" power comparisons probably don't really hold up
I'll give GT another compliment, I do like Giru, Bot was genuinely a nice addition to the "team" when Pan when being a complete whiney bitch and abusing him for no reason
>>745956796>but also ultra instinct roshi is canon toohes isnt he does not have it they just said his technique is similar. and the idiots did not include it in the anime
>>745956415The only reason Super exists at all is BECAUSE Toriyama gave a fuck after seeing what a mess DB Evolution was
>>745945576at least Heroes gave Yamcha something and even the dbs manga gave Chiaotzu his first canon win in the series Tien got nothing besides jobbing to Roshi and another woman he'll avoid sexually
>>745948895>Daima wasn't a gigantic waste of time.I felt like I was on crazy pills with all the glazing for that show early on. At least people gradually started losing interest/catching on as it went, and it's rightly reviled now, to the point where they're being forced to finally do the Moro arc in a desperate attempt to save the brand.
>>745957227>I felt like I was on crazy pills with all the glazing for that show early oneveryone pretended to like it because toriyama died. it was a terrible idea on all fronts>they're being forced to finally do the Moro arc i truly dont understand these retards. gokus jap va is like a 90 year old grandma they should hurry the fuck up
>>745956202>Better compared to Daipa’s “It just happened for no reason”.Nope. No reason is way better because you don't have goku transforming while reminiscing about the taste of piss. It could be for any reason and it turned out the reason was just training anyways which is 90% of every transformation in the series.>That’d still put it on par with Daipa if trueIf you thought GT had any good arcs you would actually try and defend it, instead you're just shitting on Daima, meanwhile my objective here is to tell you how bad GT is, I don't really care about Daima in the same way, I'm just here because of faux fans like you glorifying the worst piece of media in Dragonball just because something new exists.>See aboveYou haven't provided an argument to say "see above" because you haven't argued that GT is better.>Your argument fails because you KNOW Daipa is badNot really, Daima happens for a reason that being the power vaccum created as a result of Dabura's death, he was the king os the demon realm so that actually elaborated on something that was never addressed originally. And because almost everything happens in the demon realm it doesn't really contradict any previous lore. GT on the other hand is a mess from the get go because the black star balls can't exist, Kami explicitly says that the regular ones are his first and only set.Baby is a rehash of hatchiyack as I already saidSuper 17 doesn't make any sense whatsoever, because there was no way they could just build another 17 in hell with rocks, smoke and nothing.And the shadow dragons needed a hackeneyed reason to exist in the first place that doesn't make any sense because they didn't make any wishes between Buu and the very end of the GT which is a span of almost 20 years meaning the balls were already at full capacity 20 years ago and never changed despite the fact that they only started cracking during the super 17 arc.
>>745957343I think that she has already signed her voice over to be AI'd in the event of her passing, kind of like what James Earl Jones did for Darth Vader before he died. Luffy's not getting any younger either.
>>745956202>you can only put down far more creative and meaningful anime.You're calling GT creative when the first three arcs were a rehash of the first arc of DB, plan to eradicate the Saiyans, the android/cell arc and fusion reborn?The shadow dragon arc was the most original and it was just as bad as super 17 when it came to making sense.At least Daima used a concept that was always mentioned but never touched upon and gave it it's own lore, hierarchy and so on and that was made because they wanted to make a new story GT was only made because they wanted to milk the franchise.I have to say this again though, I'm not here to defend Daima, you're basically pushing me into it, I'm here to tell you that GT was an abhorrent piece of trash that killed the hype people had for the franchise.Take off your nostalgia goggles and stop being a parasite on a series you clearly don't like.
>>745957202Yamcha is a joke character at this point, we're lucky Toriyama at least didn't throw him in the Launch bin of forgotten characters.He's been irrelevant since the end of the first arc of the original Dragon Ball. He was supposed to be Bulma's boyfriend and the story would end with them both getting what they really wished for, despite not getting to wish on the Dragon Balls. But then the story kept going after that. Basically all he did after was job to Tien. He still hasn't recovered from the broken legs.
>>745957429are japs open for that? i dont watch much anime anymore just recently read that they are removing fan service to appeal to global audiences
>>745956860Maybe his Japanese version is better, but the dub voice made him insufferable.
what is going to come next in the super Manga? didnt they leave off at black frieza? he just showed up and disappeared. i feel like they are going to end super at that.
>>745957428>No reason is way better because you don't have goku transforming while reminiscing about the taste of pissThe fact that this is true is what makes it so hilarious.
>>745958189no it then went to filler, a Super Heroes adaptation, and then it ended
>>745958189Well, if Toyo had any respect he would probably just do a "goku and Vegeta visit u6" arc and Black Frieza to end it.>>745958274Officially the manga is on hiatus. That's also why they had that special chapter a while back.
is there something good from daima? haven't watched it, only know it makes towa and ssj4 canon, and that it gives more roles to demons
>>745958189blame toriyama that retarded faggot seems to have left no information behind on what was supposed to happen next. yes he died but he was supposed to have brain surgery so you think someone would have asked in case something happens where the fuck is the super story supposed to go and end
>>745958274it didnt fucking end. black frieza showed up and fucked goku and vegeta up in their strongest forms and then left. they arent just going to leave that unexplained. there was no ending
>>745958509>toriyama-sensei what's with furiza bracku beating goku and bejita?>toriyama: *raughs*
>>745958384It gives a lot more lore to demon characters as well as the kais, it has SSJ3 and 4 fanservice, and overall feels fun, like watching og DB again.
>>745958384Goku vs Tamagami 3 is genuinely Top 10 fights in all of Dragon Ball imo, Daima really blew their load early because nothing in Daima managed to surpass it. Other than that, it's alright, I do like a good chunk of the new characters and the Demon World though Unironically I think Kuu and Duu are the best characters to come out of the series
>>745958909It’s like OG DB if you’ve never seen OGDB.
>>745958509>that retarded faggot seems to have left no information behind on what was supposed to happen next.Why would he know what happens next?He's been making it up as he goes along since the 80s. The only planning he ever did was "there are these things called the dragon balls and the climax of the story is when they gather them all together"
>>745938068Holy based. BEAST.
>>745958968Its like og DB. If you don't like it, you never liked DB, you only liked Z, simple as.
>>745946398>Grannyku and no DeftonesShut the FUCK UP
>>745958909>>745959291It is nothing like OG DB lolEven then OG only got good once the Budokais started
>>745958189There's several things that they could do with it moving forward, like something involving Jiren's true enemy, Black Frieza, a rematch between Beerus and Goku/Vegeta. Best case scenario I can think of is that they're using this hiatus period to plan out a roadmap moving forward, and they're going to let the Moro anime drum interest in the franchise back up before they kick back into full production, using the Super remake as the appetizer in the meanwhile.
>>745959439Low quality bait
>>745959439Thanks for proving my point, you DON'T like Dragon Ball.
>>745958958>Unironically I think Kuu and Duu are the best characters to come out of the seriesThat whole witch subplot should have resulted in the creation of Janemba, who would either go out of control and become the real big bad of the series, or fuck off and come back in a later arc in Super.
People only say Super and Daima are "good" because Toriyama were involved, and that automatically apparently makes them good, especially so now that he's dead.
>>745959187>He's been making it up as he goes along since the 80sAnon, you know he wrote the entirety of Super before ROF released, right?
>>745959701I don't believe that.Yeah you'll probably link him saying that or something - still don't believe it.Didn't happen.
>>745959670People say that they're good because they like DB and actually watched it. The people who say it's bad repeat nonsense that was never true like back tingles.
>>745958384Bulma reveals she has baths with Vegeta. Super troons didn't like it because that means Vegeta has interests outside of doing flips in the gravity room.
>>745959774Deny it as much as you want but it's true.
>>745959814>because that means Vegeta has interests outside of doing flips in the gravity room.You know there was an entire episode of Super where Vegeta spends time with his family, right.The only people who hated the bath thing were GTfags.
>>745959993Did he have a bath with Bulma? No? Checkmate superfags.
>>745959775What about Daima is like DB.There’s only one arc in DB about defeating a demon lord, and that doesn’t have the “complete arbitrary tasks” aspect that Daima has. Nothing in the first arc or the third arc are anything like Daima at all.It is a soul sucking husk of a show that you can only like if you ignore and refuse to discuss anything actually in it.
>>745959814>the people who were play with TANOSHII BINGO, Vegeta cooking, making beds, doing chores, spending time with his family and even putting off a tournament to be there for the birth of his kid were against baths.You know, I'll never understand why you people even try to lie about things like this.
>>745933934is this Code Lyoko?
>>745960142>It is a soul sucking husk of a show that you can only like if you ignore and refuse to discuss anything actually in it.Now you know how everyone feels about GT. The only difference is that people actually discussed Daima when it released without shitting on other parts of the series and pretending it was good
>>745959814>Bulma reveals she has baths with Vegeta.Bulma and Vegeta having a very healthy sex life is frankly a general foregone conclusion to the point that I'm baffled people assume it's not the case. Like, Vegeta is a autist and his wife will always be second to his hateboner for Goku, but he still fucks.
>>745960142This nigga thought he was referring to og DB and not the whole series.
>>745933934>>745934265>and be off-model? no.Old Toriyama liked to draw skinnier muscles. Even his Goku or Vegeta got skinnier, but Toei fixed the designs for their animated projects because they had the old DBZ references.But for Cabba, Caulifla and the likes, Toei simply took Toriyama's art at face value.
>>745960339>Vegeta is a autist and his wife will always be second to his hateboner for GokuBoth Daima and Super showed otherwise funnily enough.
>>745960390It’s not like anything in any part of the manga dipshit
>>745960142Collecting the dragon ballsThe sense of wonder and adventureSilly gagsGoofy villainsIts very much the same vibe as og DB.
>>745960327People shit on Daima all the time on release. You contrarians only showed up now and need to shit on GT, a series nearly everyone agrees was better.
>>745960608When you put it like that... yeah still no
>>745960608You very loosely described maybe one arc or about 20 chapters of “OG DB”.And this requires you to ignore Daipa’s obsession with meaningless lore (that on occasion takes up entire episodes), dull and lifeless side characters, and it’s not really silly or funny at all. It’s almost entirely played straight past the second episode.
>>745960142He's talking about being a fan of the series, obviously. That said.>There’s only one arc in DB about defeating a demon lord, and that doesn’t have the “complete arbitrary tasks” aspect that Daima has.That's the entire first arc of Dragonball, completing arbitrary tasks to find the balls. You could even see Gomah as the Pilaf of Daima.
>>745959775I dislike Daima because its "back to the roots of DB" marketing was a desperate attempt to gaslight people into forgetting that the "lighthearted adventure" of DB was an edgy road trip boner comedy where Oolong (who had previously taken a number of child brides) attempts to rape a drugged 16-year-old girl, aforementioned 16-year-old girl flashes her pussy to an old man, and there is a running gag where the protagonist checks everyone he meets for a dick to know if they're a boy or girl. Nu-DB would have us believe that old-school Dragon Ball adventure is just Goku showing up to new places, saying "OOOOOOOAH, WHAT'S THAT?!", someone explaining it to him, a possible fight ensuing, and then moving on to their next location to repeat the process. Also, all of the retcons were shitty and added nothing worthwhile>Majin Buu the unspeakable cosmic horror who existed since time immemorial, and could be contained and directed, but never controlled, suddenly became a silly side project that a goofy Dragon Quest forest witch literally spit out in an afternoon, and he's basically a mutated Saibaman. >It turns out the demon king rules over everything, including Multiverse God himself. >The pantheon of gods are actually all demons too>Piccolo's a demon...no wait, he's an alien...no wait, he's a demon againEvery time they add more to the DB universe, it becomes a little smaller.
>>745945813toriyama would've made it an in-universe gag and rolled with it.
>>745959814That was probably the only part of Daima that I liked. It really humanized the characters, and caught me off-guard. It got a genuine laugh out of me.
>>745960619>You contrarians only showed up now and need to shit on GTAnon, GT is the contrarian option. Defending that is defending everything Dragonball isn't meant to be.Also what you said here >>745960748>And this requires you to ignore Daipa’s obsession with meaningless loreIs ridiculous because that's DB, it's filled to the brim with lore and that's half the reason people like it.
>>745960748>It’s almost entirely played straight past the second episode.I'm tired of larpers in this fanbase
>>745960789Except Pilaf doesn’t start fighting the main cast, nor does he have armies of mooks to fight them.The thing Daima is closest to is the shitty Korean film from 1990.>>745960985Go back to the first arc that Daima is supposedly JUST LIKE and tell me about all of its lore.
>>745961250>complaining about LARPers>defends Daipa religiously
>>745961357You're the one who can't see any resemblance between DB and Daima. The reason being you watched neither and heard a plot summary at best.
>>745961563>Pilaf is just like clown jiren bro!!Ahuh
>>745961684He literally is. The story also doesn't take itself too seriously, just like most of DB prior to piccolo saga
>>745961827>He literally is.Show me the part of DB where Pilaf transforms and fist fights the entire cast.>doesn’t take itself too seriouslyIt fucking does, it’s constant lore and then shitty character moments and then more lore. If you watch it as a comedy anime it fucking sucks because the most it does is a couple fart jokes.
>>745934471Disgusting
>>745933934Anything after Z saga is crap.
>>745960858>that the "lighthearted adventure" of DB was an edgy road trip boner comedy where Oolong (who had previously taken a number of child brides) attempts to rape a drugged 16-year-old girlExcuse me? Did you actually watch or read the first arc? Because it's the furthest thing from edgy.Goku beats up a giant bear while transporting a turtle.Oolong was given a drug that makes him shit on command if someone makes a buzzing sound.One of the antagonists is a dog man serving a blue midgetThere's a giant rabbit who turns people into carrots who ends up stranded on the moon. Yamcha can't so much as look at a woman without going catatonic.They blow up a mountain that was constantly on fire. And this is just the first arc.Even with oolong's brides they ended up being spoiled brats that he wanted to get rid of, there's absolutely nothing edgy about this series unless you're a thin skinned woman born after 2010. >Majin Buu the unspeakable cosmic horror who existed since time immemorial, and could be contained and directed, but never controlled, suddenly became a silly side project that a goofy Dragon Quest forest witch literally spit out in an afternoon, and he's basically a mutated Saibaman.That's not even correct. Buu was the magnum opus creation who's one flaw was being uncontrollable. Buu also couldn't be replicate because Marba tried to create a second from scratch and failed, the third which was Kuu was combined with a Saibaman seed to make it controllable.>>It turns out the demon king rules over everything, including Multiverse God himself.Which is also wrong, the demon realm existed before the other universes and Rymus made more. The next demon king said fuck that and didn't want anything to do with the other universes and cut the demon world off from them. They don't have control.>>The pantheon of gods are actually all demons tooAlso wrong, only Rymus and the kai are.
>>745960858>>Piccolo's a demon...no wait, he's an alien...no wait, he's a demon againIt's both you retard, an alien is a non native and demons come from the demon realm, making him an alien demon.What is it with Dragonball producing fake fans like you who push your own inability to understand the series on to it saying that it's flawed? Like yeah, there are legitimate issues but none of this is the problem.
>>745962198>NO NO NO, THEY HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING THE EXACT SAME OR THEY'RE NOTHING ALIKE REEEEEEchrist you're retarded.
>>745962516retard moment
>>745962554So is it like OG DB or is it doing its own (bad) thing?Which is it retardbro?
>>745962676You know the inability to understand more than one concept at a time is a sign of autism, right?
>>745962676Its like og DB.You can't understand it cause you're a larping spic who only likes Z and Super.End of discussion.
Why haven't they put Cumber in this game?Lazy devs.
>>745963297That's a good point. They put fucking no name mconion in but not a Saiyan with actual interesting abilities.
>>745963168>>745963178>I’ll never say why it’s the same thing… or why it’s good… or why I like it… or if I like it…>but if you disagree you’re EVILI forgot that school is still out for a few weeks.
>>745963547Multiple people have already said why, you on the other hand got all the information about it wrong to the point where you thought that Buu was part saibaman and completely abandoned defending GT.
>>745933934what about this body?
>>745963547Try reading the words on your screen, spic
>>745963716All you said was that Pilaf was just like clown Jiren and then dodge the point that Pilaf didn’t fist fight the entire cast.
>>745963859>All you said was that Pilaf was just like clown JirenSo a short comedic character with delusions of grandure who wanted to use the dragon balls to get his way isn't like a short comedic character with delusions of grandure who wanted to use the dragon balls to get his way because they got a temporary power up before becoming a short comedic character with delusions of grandure who wanted to use the dragon balls to get his way again?That's like saying Baby isn't a rehash of Hatchiyack because Hatchiyack didn't possess Vegeta.
>>745963859Who am I describing, Gomah or PilafShortQuick to angerHas some position of powerIs a cowardUsed the dragon balls to turn people into kids
>>745944909>not allowed to show blood because Japanese children need to believe that they can be abused without lasting damage
>>745963782Don't know why they changed the Ultimate. It's not even that bad
>>745964774No it's because having characters throw up blood when they get punched it's fucking stupid. It's blunt force, not a piercing attack that ruined their organs. That's why it's reserved for deathblows and shit in anime nowadays
>>745951180Because they are naturally susceptible to rocks. Without ki focus they’re at their base ability level. It’s how characters who stop training get so weak but bounce back really quickly, they’re relearning how to handle their ki.
>>745965141We know for a fact that it's because of regulations so your autistic hang-up is meaningless. I'm purely focused on reality.
>>745960858>>745962456Dragon Ball was always somewhat lighthearted but also dirty and unafraid to make bold jokes. Daima feels like a shy kid trying to tell a safe joke and stuttering all the way through.
>>745965338Anon, if it were related to regulations anime wouldn't have blood in it at all but that clearly isn't the case. This episode of that slime isekai anime released this week I think? Don't watch it personally but I know it was recent. >I'm purely focused on reality.Evidently not given you had to make something up that doesn't adhere to it.If you had hid behind Super's earlier airing slot you could have probably scraped together an argument but instead you tried to make up a blanket regulation.
>>745938125I mean, yes, it's better than it was before by virtue of it now having new costumes, ultimates, characters, stages and offline content.The AI changes make the game a bit tiresome to play though desu.
>>745944391>>745944453No, I didn't post the wrong image. You just have massive shit taste.
>>745946078It made the great ape transformation a demon that reincarnated into goku that awakens during an eclipse rather than during a full moon. Sit the fuck down.
Y’know I kinda wish Frost was actually a good guy who took whatever means necessary to win. Like instead of him rigging wars, he cheated in the Champa Cup because he actually cared about universal peace. Instead he’s literally just a lamer Frieza who’s a joke. Literally gets erased by both Zenos and does nothing ever.
>>745959775>>People say Super is "good">People say that they're good because they like DB and actually watched it.One of these statements are certainly true, and it directly connects to their gigantic unparalleled shit taste.
>>745944391Excuse me
>>745963297>Why haven't they put Cumber in this game?They haven't put a single piece of Heroes content, not just Cumber.And it's because Heroes was replaced by Superdivers in Japan, and it barely had presence in the west.
>>745966524Go on then, elaborate.
>>745966524Lets be honest here, people who like Super and Daima are far deeper fans than people who dislike it.They tend to like shit like GT and Evolution.
>>745966723Do people actually unironically like GT? Because I watched it recently and it's hot fucking garbage.I mean, the whole thing started because of the black star balls but how can they even exist?
>>745967490>Do people actually unironically like GT?I only like it because of it's designs. I think Goku with a blue gi looks good, and I like the over all color palette of the show.I don't like the actual show though. Unwatchable.
>>745959814>Daipanigger making shit up about Super fansRent free.
>>745946398Metal cooler is pretty good. The ending actually makes sense and isn't an asspull and it treats Vegeta with respect unlike the other movies.
>>745959814>>745968013Anon, your falseflagging is way too blatant. Super and Daima fans aren't at odds.
>>745946398My only problem with the sub is the soundtrack. It just sounds so ridiculous and unfitting.
>>745968194no it fucking doesn't holy fuck I am tired of you deaf fucking americans who have never watched a kung fu movie and don't know what a leitmotif is spouting this retarded fucking shit
>>745967490I like Baby but he’s not as good as any Z main antagonist, I just think the idea of making a villain off of a 3 minute filler segment 300 episodes ago is pretty cool and I like his design and power progression. He has some cool lines too. The shadow dragon ball saga is is a mixed bag with mostly bad episodes where Goku can’t beat a worm or whatever, and then Super 17 is really really bad. The Shadow Dragons were actually pretty good near the last several episodes, but the start is whatever even with the concept behind it all still supporting it. Nuova, Eis, and Omega Shenron are nice and I think GT’s ending is really nice. There’s some sequel OVA that barely anybody has watched and it’s bad. If anything, I do think GT is a series I respect and have more praise for than Daima. After Tournament of Power, I would’ve said GT and Super were about equal with a slight edge to Super, though I’d put Super above GT with the Broly movie and Superhero included. With Moro and Granola? I have no idea, I haven’t finished the latter but they both made me a bit upset reading them. They’re filled with Vegeta cock teases where you think he’ll get a real victory but nah. Not even against Granolah who wasn’t even the final antagonist of the arc, he should’ve won that one.
>>745968013How many times are you going to reply to that post?
>>745968136>The ending actually makes sense and isn't an asspullThey were dead to rights and the big get star suddenly lost its adaptation ability, it was an ass pull.
>>745968013>if you don't like X that means you like YWhy is this every thread on 4chan now?
>>745968512It's the new tactic to get two fanbase you hate to hate each other.You saw the same thing happen with Zelda and the souls fanbase a while back when the sonyfags tried to get them to fight.
>>745968389Didn't they just overload it?
So how's the game now after the neo DLC? Worth picking up? How's the content?
>>745969869You'd still have to mod the combat a bit I'd say. Worth a pirate at least, game is too expensive for what is a worse BT3.
>>745966034>instead you tried to make up a blanket regulation.No, you read that into my post without it ever saying that. I said>'regulations'I did not say>blood is banned from anime periodI'm really not sure why you'd harp so hard on that strawman when you admit in that very same post what the difference is between DBS and other animes that have blood.
>>745971135>You'd still have to mod the combat a bitWhat's wrong with it?
>>745952359>killed the franchise's momentum anywayThe anime was already on a downward trend so point the finger at all of Z's filler and stretching out three panels into five minutes.
>>745952986>A style of Dragon Ball that wouldn't drag out Dragon Ball AKA it wasn't supposed keep on going forever. You infinite contentfags are the worst.
>>745945446It's a shame he has been so mishandled in Super, he was turned into a huge coward who would constantly try to avoid fighting. It makes even less sense when in Resurrection of F, he just sweeps through the whole Frieza army, but in the Super retelling, he had to be given a motivational speech to do something.And then he was instantly ring'd out in the ToP by Frost after having a whole arc dedicated to him. Yes, I'm still mad.
>>745966472that's better than toriyama just deciding drawing tails was too annoying so dropping everything to fucking do with it at all
>>745972496>The anime was already on a downward trendExcept it wasn't, it was at a high point during the Buu arc but plummeted during GT.It's the Beast Machines to Z's beast wars
>>745973493Funny because Goku didn't even have a tail in evolution.
>>745973586Yeah but I can accept that making a prosthetic monkey tail for a shitty low budget movie is going to be just about impossible without looking utterly retarded Plus being a bullshit spinoff means who cares they can take liberties as they want without it matteringToriyama just deciding the main racial trait of saiyans and the main character of the saga was a hassle and all that associated stuff with it too much of a chore is just indefensible hackfraudery
>>745951193GT might have fumbled a lot of what it did but its storyline ideas were dramatically better than Super.
>>745972934>he was turned into a huge coward who would constantly try to avoid fighting. It makes even less sense when in Resurrection of F, he just sweeps through the whole Frieza army, but in the Super retelling, he had to be given a motivational speech to do something.You want to know something? That was a good change because it was only in that one arc that he showed any kind of fear.Do you know why?Because Frieza gave him his most violent death in the series, Tambourine only broke his neck, Super Buu turned him into candy but Frieza used his telekinesis to drag him into the air and crushed him until he exploded making a show of the ordeal.>And then he was instantly ring'd out in the ToP by FrostAnd how does that take away from his two victories?
OGDB is utter garbage, "ooooohhhh it's a comedy not muh fights (as if that were a bad thing)" and then the joke is often toilet humor or something on the same level The only worthwhile parts of DB are Z and the later arcs of DB which are very inline with what you get out of Z. Red Ribbon was a disgrace.
>>745935004I've never like SZ's art style, so many characters look like bootleg action figures
>>745973764Oozaru was entirely CG and they still didn't give him a tail
>>745974453still better than goten and trunks never having tails
SSJ4 Vegeta rework ASAP
>>745966472That is infinitely better than midichlorians you star wars tranny.
>>745974118Definitely not. Three out of four were rehashes even having an episode that was almost beat for beat the same as the oolong episode but with earthquakes and the last one just completely disregarded any lore that had already been set up.You can't say that about Super. Even the two tournament arcs were formats that we haven't seen in DB before even the Broly movie changed everything about Broly making him into an actual character instead of someone who was just mad all the time.
>>745974534Yeah not really, by that point tori had already established that tails no longer grow once you reach a certain level of power.
>>745974927Nah, Baby Arc was a better followup than anything Super did and Black Dragon Ball arc was by far the best concept of all the stories past Cell
>>745975000yeah that's why the babies didn't have them after gohan had them for no reasonit's so weird people will run nonsense defense for shit even when he admitted he just got sick of drawing them
>>745935004based t5 ost
>>745974927Did you seriously just say that you can't accuse the series that brings back Frieza (twice), Brolly, Future Trunks and the Red Ribbon Army of rehashing?
>>745975059>Baby Arc was a better followupIt wasn't a follow up to anything and it was just a rehash of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans only they made the truffle machine a lame knock off Frieza with the obsessive saiyan hatred.>and Black Dragon Ball arc was by far the best concept of all the stories past CellYeah that arc had the oolong knockoff and other "fun" adventures like giant dentistry and space Jews none of that arc can be considered good if you have standards.Lets also not forget that the black star balls disregard the fact that the original set are the only set Kami ever made and that if they became active when piccolo fused with kami absolutely no one detected it for like 30 years despite multiple detection devices existing and somehow Pilaf learned about them.
GT suckedSuper suckedDaima sucked Original Manga is when DB ended
>>745975521I said it had good ideas and not good execution and you're sitting here trying to go over individual elements of it instead of the actual broad plots. This is probably why you think Frieza returning is a good story, you don't know how to read.
>>745972815It was, and it was changed from that into an epilogue before the Black DBs even ended because of how much nips hated it, praising GT for the proof of it's failure is retarded.Never said I wanted Dragon Ball to go on forever and I fucking hate how Super not only does it with a flanderized Goku and Bejita, who keep walking in circles while their goal keeps getting bumped away.
>>745940176>>745940078It appears in the manga so its more canon that suoer shit
Kind of crazy how Vegita knew about a fighter so powerful that he could kill Frieza with his finger and in his quest to constantly get more powerful throughout DBZ he never once mentioned him.
>>745975287Yes.Using characters again and being a rehash are two different things. If we used your logic every chapter, episode and game could be considered a rehash because they feature Goku.There's no story arc where Frieza is revived, trains, almost kills goku and successfully destroys earth only to have someone turn back time to kill him prior to superThere's no story arc where two universes go head to head as part of a feud between gods prior to super.There's no story arc where a kai from another universe steals Goku's body and attacks the future resulting in goku and Vegeta travelling to it and an entire multiverse being destroyedThere's no battle royal arcThere's no arc where Broly and his father are found by Frieza's men and used to fight goku and Vegeta.You get the picture The previously mentioned oolong episode rehash already existed in the oolong episode.The truffle revenge machine that was created by a scientist that was actually being controlled by the machine was in Plan to Eradicate the SaiyansThe barrier between hell and earth being eroded and villains from the past flooding the earth was in Fusion Reborn as was the "perfect" android in the android/cell arc.Those are rehashes.
>>745976154>Using characters again and being a rehash are two different things. If we used your logic every chapter, episode and game could be considered a rehash because they feature Goku.This is why talking to superfags is pointless.
>>745976154What do you mean? They're different people so they're different, just like you're saying Frieza coming back and being a villain is totally not rehashing anything because they made him workout before he went and rehashed the same thing he did before only to just become the newest little antag-turned-unconventional allyhow fucking uniqueoh man, check it out, it's a tournament... but it's between UNIVERSES! Isn't that original? so original, never been done before.
>>745975619>I said it had good ideasThing is those are the elements exclusive to GT, the actual ideas existed prior to GT and were done much better so you can't even say it had good ideas. The only original arc was the shadow dragon arc and again, that disregarded literally everything that existed before and even itself when it came to the overuse of the Dragonballs because they hadn't used them since Buu by that point. >This is probably why you think Frieza returning is a good storyNot that anyone said it was good and if you really want to be like that it was a Z movie and not super but that's semantics.That said GT did bring back Frieza and Cell in the super 17 arc, an arc that was a partial rehash of fusion reborn which also brought back Frieza, and it was much worse than any other attempt in the series including RoF. Unless you're going to try and argue that Frieza and Cell having tickle torture as a finishing move was a good idea.Just a reminder, this is Frieza we're talking about, the person who would kill in cold blood without batting an eye working together with Cell to give Goku a soup bath. But I'm arguing with someone unironically trying to defend GT so it's not like you can just suddenly develop taste.
>>745934473>Was it explained why this sayanigga is a walking stick?Easier to Draw! it is that simple. Every character design choice in super is based on the principle of "How easy it is to animate/draw/reuse this?"This explains why SSJ3 was dropped and treated as non-canon, why every new transformation is just base/ssj1 recolored and why pretty much every new character they introduced has freeza-esque round shapes(frost,hit,jiren).The new sayains are doodles because it is easy to draw. Remember how future trunks looked like by the end of cell saga? compare that to his super look.Why did they choose to bring back freeza instead of perfect cell? Cell was stronger,able to learn abilities from other warriors and has access to zenkai boost....Because Perfect Cell is harder to draw than final freeza.
>>745976701Buu is stronger than Cell and is just a round blob that's even easier to draw than Frieza and they never let him do shit. I think it's mostly just that Frieza was the most iconic and marketable villain to bring back
>>745976154Just came up with an amazing original DBZ arc. Frieza comes back but this time he is wearing Cat Ears.Check in the mail pls.
>>745934648God I fucking hate this movie so damn much. It shits on Frieza so hard and makes him look like an utter joke. It also makes both Goku and Vegeta look like massive retards, and it couldn't even let Vegeta get a win against Frieza. And GOD I fucking hate Golden Frieza. How do you go from something so badass like Cooler's fifth form to this fucking deviantart ocee recolor shit. It's genuinely embarrassing. Same for the blue super saiyan form. >>745944391I want to say this movie wasn't that bad. At least Beerus and Whis were actually fun new characters, and they're way better and more unique than pretty much everything we had in Super. The super saiyan god form is total dogshit though and kick-started all the hair recolor transformations the series got plagued with.
>>745976695>thing is those areThing is you're still talking about details you mongoloid. You literally just said a tournament arc is totally new because it's between universes. Baby is even less of a rehash than that, sorry man.And yes, Black Dragon Ball arc is dramatically better than all of them.>it literally disregardedOh no! Just like Toriyama did when he got tired of anything because he didn't give a shit and jumped from idea to idea himself anyway.Who fucking cares? It's the best idea to end the franchise with by making consequences out of the titular mcguffin that gets overused to solve everyone's problems over and over again through the series. It is the perfect thematic sendoff and nothing in Super comes anywhere close conceptually because all it really is is just a playground for Toriyama's retarded ideas as an end of life paycheck.
>>745976431>They're different people so they're differentNo. It's not the characters that make it a rehash, it's the concept. It's not a hard idea to wrap your head around.>just like you're saying Frieza coming back and being a villain is totally not rehashing anythingNo, no it isn't. It's never happened before. You have to be as reductionist as possible to even get close to a rehash there. Lets do it actually, Frieza has returned on like five occasions between the manga, anime, ova and movies. The games have too many scenarios for the character limitYou have being turned into a machine and coming to earth with his father only to be cut down by trunks in an instant. Being revived by Hatchiyack as a grudge spirit along with other movie villains where they would just instantly revive until the destron gas machine was destroyedComing back because the barrier between earth and hell was erodedComing back because the barrier between earth and hell was erodedAnd being revived by the remnants of his army, learning from his mistakes and training to obtain a new form while also increasing the numbers of his army. Four of these are original ideas featuring the same character. One is not. >Isn't that original? so original, never been done before.Yeah, that's how it works.You're trying to be sarcastic but that's just the truth, you can hate it but you can't call it unoriginal.
>>745977431>Frieza being the villain has never happened beforeweird pretty sure it didoh wait he's gold now I guess that's differentall of this is unoriginal retard
>>745977035>It shits on Frieza so hard and makes him look like an utter jokeWhat do you mean, he's destroying Goku for most of the movie.
>>745977507...and then he loses to Goku the same way he did on Namek, by not realising his new form drains too much stamina. It makes him look like a massive retard.
>>745977712because Frieza is a massive retardfar be it from me to defend anything about super here because all of frieza returning sucks for a ton of reasons but frieza is stupidlike actually
>>745963297Were Heroes stuff ever put into the Gachas?
>>745977054>Thing is you're still talking about details you mongoloidPlay semantics all you want. It those are GT's original ideas. Take them away and you have nothing.>You literally just said a tournament arc is totally new because it's between universes.Which isn't what was said>>745974927>Even the two tournament arcs were formats that we haven't seen in DBThe key word being 'format'.If it had said 'participants' you would have had a point but this is referring to the winner stays on and battle royal formats. Which isn't how any tournament in DB has ever worked, it's always been brackets and the Cell games which wasn't really a tournament.>Baby is even less of a rehash than that, sorry man.We've been over this, there's already a truffle revenge machine built by and old man, you can even take it further by including the planet they were made on being a dark planet because Baby wasn't found on M-2 they were taken to another planet but you get the point. It's a complete rehash>Black Dragon Ball arc is dramatically better than all of them.It's really not, you can't even say why it's good or argue why the rehashing there doesn't count.>Just like Toriyama did when he got tired of anything because he didn't give a shit and jumped from idea to idea himself anyway.Yeah no, tori didn't contradict his own lore in the way GT did. As much as people want to pull a "the lore is inconsistent" with him, it really isn't. Anything he added on slotted in and made sense.The black star balls don't make sense Kami only made the original set and no one picked them up on the radar.The shadow dragons don't make sense because there was no such thing as positive or negative energy and they hadn't used the balls for years at that point.If 17 was supposed to be stronger than Cell why make Cell?
>>745977054Do you see what I mean? GT is littered with things like this. The most you can say about Super is the potara being temporary with mortals and even then that would only explain why they defused in Buu which went unexplained until then.>It's the best idea to end the franchise It really wasn't, GT ended on a massive e wet fart leaving people wondering what the fuck happened because none of it made sense. For example the dragon balls leaving wouldn't do anything because Dende could theoretically just make another set and why would it just take Goku for no reason and merge the balls into him like some kind of weird metaphor for death. Nothing about GT holds up under scrutiny and the ending is just really unsatisfactory for anyone who likes DB. >It is the perfect thematic sendoffThe perfect thematic send off would be Goku and Vegeta's final fight from Online, they flew off into space for their final battle and no one saw them ever again Insinuating that they died doing what they love and settled their old rivalry. The Super anime actually ended in a way close to this with Goku continuing with what he loved doing.>because all it really is is just a playground for Toriyama's retarded ideas as an end of life paycheck.Funnily enough you're describing GT more than anything else, just replace Tori with Osamu Kasai and friends.Anyway, to answer the question as to who cares, any DB fan worth their salt. No fan of this series would even make the attempt at defending GT by saying it had good ideas into itself because what ideas it did have that weren't rehashes were terrible.
>>745978869>See the tournaments had different rules soActual clown
>>745979007Yes, different as in not the same meaning it isn't a rehash.You do understand how words work don't you?
>>745978767Yeah Dokkan brings them back from time to time.
>>745979001>Do you see what I mean?No, because you're still concerning yourself with details instead of the broad plots. >It really wasn'tIt really was. Here you are again talking about how GT ended, unable to divorce the ideas and story plots (the IDEAS) versus the execution (what we got). Will you ever acknowledge what this means? Probably not because it seems too much for you to grasp.>The perfect thematic send off would be Goku and Vegeta's final fight No it wouldn't. Their rivalry ended in the Buu saga, and it wasn't actually the driving theme of anything. So no, it'd be a really shitty send off to an entire franchise where a major entry didn't even have Vegeta.I'm not a GT fan, you weird retard. I just acknowledge it had good ideas. Super, meanwhile, had virtually no good ideas and was literally just meandering rehashes going nowhere with anything.
>>745979095He's a GT spic of course he doesn't.
>>745979152What about Legends?
