Monsters being manifestations of the protagonist's trauma is a dogshit trope.It's too personalized, it makes them feel less real and threatening than an actual dark entity that exists beyond your own perception. Indie devs don't understand horror at all and just want to copy silent hill 2 to look smart and pretend that mental illness is scary.
>>745941175>he plays videogames to get scaredare you a toddler?
>>745941283>he plays horror games just to kill time and can't feel shitpretentious fuck
>>745941175>pretend that mental illness is scaryyou've never interacted with schizos or bipolars irl
>>745941175you're right and the original devs recognized it would be stupid if they kept doing it which is why they only did it once and then did different things for 3 and 4
>>745941570Silent Hill has always been about fake mind monsters, that's why there's dinosaurs in the first game, and Wizard of Oz references. Because it's all conjured up by the mind of a little child.Nothing there is real.
>>745941467>trope used by literally one game heavy inspired by a single obscure movie from 90s is dogshit but I swear, I'm not pretentious at allI'm after the meaning of things, kiddo. while you looking for scary scary skellys to feel some adrenaline rush, I carry on my quest for a deeper esoteric knowledge of myself
>>745941175OP is a fucking retard.
>>745941283>literal NPC with zero imaginationhe's human, unlike you
>>745941175>this game that popularized the trope is dogshit because it uses a popularized trope!Actually retarded.
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>>745941859I'm saying that if you weren't a pretentious fuck you'd be playing something like fruit ninja, but you just play games with an age rating to pretend to be a grown up.
>>745941980>humansensory deprived brainlets aren't human thoughever>>745942017>but you just play games with an age rating to pretend to be a grown upyou can't even understand what I told you my nigga
>>745941790yeah I guess but "alessa read a book with pterodactyls in it once" and "alessa was scared of dogs" isn't really on the same level as the stuff in sh2. most of the monsters in sh1 were pretty generic
>>745942123I understood it perfectly well. You're just being a retard.
>>745942185no you don't, you don't even know where this "trope" comes from because you're a dumb nigger without any knowledge of anything
>>745941175SH2 is a brilliant game that is a victim of its own success. What made it so special was that it was unlike anything that came before, but now every psychological horror schlock has to shamelessly ripoff the twist and monsters because the hack devs can't come up with anything more creative than copying the story of a 2001 PS2 game over and over and over again.
>>745942263I'm not discussing the trope. I'm just saying that people that watch horror but don't actually feel shit are mentally stunted. It would be like watching toddler shows way past the point where it feels mentally stimulating. A form of arrested development if you will.
>>745942008Dry shaving like that seems a goid way to get a rash ngl
>>745942349New devs don't copy SH2 at all. It's just that everything thinks that every twist should be that the real horror is depression.Though recently we've getting games that tell you that the real horror is social expectations and the patriarchy.
>>745942412>feel shit are mentally stuntedpeople feel stuff, you're not special, toddler, even if your mom keeps saying that. you open a thread about a specific trope saying that is dogshit to sound pretentious but at the same time calling other people pretentious, bringing to light your lack of analytical process to carry out any deeper understanding of narrative tropes but playing games just because "booh le scary ghost so scary bro">>745942349monster design of silent hill 2 are not original and neither the "monsters are inner projection of traumatic experience", they just work very very well in a survival horror game
>>745942693you should consider quitting video games if you're only using it to dull your senses
>>745942795my senses are exceptionally fine same with the capability of understand narration beyond "tropes". read above, special boytry to understand things before open a thread about a trope you have no capability to understand
>>745942621Hence why prefer the SH1 horror being childhood memories and fairytales. I wish more games did this, the only one that comes to mind is Rule of Rose.>>745942693>monster design of silent hill 2 are not original and neither the "monsters are inner projection of traumatic experience"Care to recommend some other games that did this?
>>745942959If you play horror but don't feel shit you're either bored of everything or you're just such a dumb negroid that you're unable to pick games that you'd actually enjoy.
>>745942621*everyone
>>745943171>Care to recommend some other games that did this?there aren't many games because as a trope it becomes stale very quick. maybe I'd say somaI was referencing to a movie called jacob's ladder which actually inspired heavily SH2 devs (consider that sunderland's jacket is the same as the protagonist of the movie). that's why I told wasn't totally original as many people think.the theme of the movie is very different but they share the same idea of a trauma materialized as a form of twitching faceless monsters stalking the protagonist.mental degradation associated to something disturbing materializing into the world of the protagonist was a trope very used by early cronenberg (video drome, existenz, even the fly)>>745943276>If you play horror but don't feel shitwhere did I say that? are you mentally stunted?
>>745943663here>>745941283
>>745944108>monkey is dull/monkey is scaredis the dichotomy which your brain operates? I didn't say "I feel nothing" you are definitely intellectually challenged lmao
>>745944201No wonder SH2 remake is so shit. They cater to action shitters like you. What the audience wants is literally action games but worse.
>>745941175This town is full of PIZZA. How can you sit here and eat SALADS?
>>745944361>let me make up another crap you never saidnow you're just changing subject because you realized how retarded you are lmao
>>745941175>is a dogshit trope.Is it even a trope? I haven't seen it outside of Silent Hill
>>745944519you don't seem to think that reasonable people people play horror for the horror, the logical leap isn't that long at all
>>745944772>horror = getting scaredsadly that's a pretty common room temp IQ idea, like comedy = laughbut at this point your retardation is pretty clear
>>745945027I seeyou're just being autistic
>>745941175The monsters in silent hill are conjured up by real ass dark entities that exist beyond the veil of the city doe
>>745941175I'm gonna be retarded in a different way than OP. Monsters being manifestations of the protagonist's trauma would be better if they actually preyed on the weakness of the protagonist instead of being generic physical threats with symbolism that is really only there for the viewer.Maria is a good step in that direction but the only SH monster that really does this. The nurses for example don't really challenge James psychologically beyond being the town's passive aggressive kinkshaming
>>745941175Opinion logged.
True fears can only be experienced when one must faces their own weaknesses and guilts
>>745941175>"Burgers? They look like burgers to you?"
>>745942123>writes entirely in regurgitated phrases with no sign of original thoughtreddit
>>745948032>just called him retarded I'm sure I'm not original, somebody else must have called like that before
>>745947831That's a cute quote, did a sheltered philosopher teach you that from his academic bubble?
Does anyone have that image that details on the best ways to play the series? I've been playing classic RE recently and I had a blast so I want to try other similar stuff
>>745949729Start with Silent Hill fit's the best horror game that has been made in years.
>>745941790The monsters in SH1 were supposed to be real though, at least in the sense that they came from Alessa's nightmare but at that point they were as real as anything else. Everyone saw the same monsters and was able to be affected by them. That's not on the same level as SH2 where everyone sees their own monsters. OP is kind of right because in threads that are about whether you would rather be in Raccoon City or Silent Hill, people always say "Silent Hill monsters are fake so it's ez" clearly meaning they only really play 2 and use that as the basis.
>>745950482the monsters in the second game weren't fake
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>>745950652Thanks>>745950369I'll play the older ones first, if I end up liking them I'll play it as well
>>745941175QRD on Forbidden Siren?Is it any good?
>>745942135IMO the ghosts in SH4 were the scariest monsters in the series and they were just floating corpses.Frankly they proved that the sounds, animations and gameplay design all add a lot more to a monster's creepy factor than their appearance.
>>745944551Cry of fear, and it was a massive disappointment because the monsters were so freaky and it turns out the protagonist was just crippled and writing a book.
what did sh2r mean by thiswhat part of james psyche does this represent
>>745950861It's not bad, but be prepared for a lot of tedium and frustration. The game requires you to replay every level and you'll spend a lot of time waiting around and mapping out enemy patrol routes. Also the puzzles are pure bullshit even for oldschool hardcore survival horror standards and most of them make no logical sense. Anyway, have fun.
>>745945218The real problem is I want to know more about those dark entities instead of the human characters.
>>745951406that would make them boring
>>745947831True fear is being in skid row after dark.
>>745941175I like the idea of playing through other people's nightmares instead of the main character's. Silent Hill 1, 3 and 4 did a good job at that. 2 attempted to add the abstract daddy and then was like whatever, back to James' trauma.
>>745951439More interesting than James killing his wife and Angela getting fucked by her dad.
>>745951384Also, you have to check literally every nook and cranny of every area in case there's an item you'll need for a later level, or to do something that will help another character in a later level. Again, it makes no sense but that's the game.
I miss the order. I hate how every Silent Hill game not made by Team Silent tries to recreate SH2.>"AHHHHH I DID SOMETHING BAD SO NOW THERE'S MONSTERS OUT TO GET ME THAT REPRESENT ALL THE SHIT THAT I DID BAD AHH SAVE ME!!"
>>745951525Even for Abstract Daddy that jackass Ito had to ruin it like "oh guess what it was actually a combination of James and Angela's thoughts" I'm pretty sure even Team Silent themselves don't know how Silent Hill actually worked and just made shit up as they went along.
>>745943276>If you play horror but don't feel shit you're...you're not a child. That's what you're looking for.I'm not a child so I don't get scared. It's that simple.
>>745950757The guide is written by a retarded shill who just keeps posting his shitty image over and over, ignore it. Emulate 2 and 3, don't play the PC versions.
>>745951720What is that guy shilling? What's wrong with PC versions?
>>745951656That's why Origins is the best of the non-Jap games, even if that isn't a high bar to clear. Yeah the story was kinda unnecessary but the same could be said about SH3.>>745951720Also make sure you emulate the Greatest Hits/Director's Cut version of 2, because it has extra content.
>>745951384>>745951579Ok but what makes it so scary? I've seen a few anons here say it was the only have to ever really unnerve them.
>>745941175How long into a blind playthrough of SH2 does anyone even realize that though? It's not really apparent until later in the game.
>>745941175>an actual dark entity that exists beyond your own perception...which is only scary to (You), the player, because it's a manifestation of your own fear of death?
>>745951907It's a stealth horror game where the enemies cannot be killed, and most of the time you are unarmed and cannot defend yourself, and even if you do have a weapon survival comes down to luck more than anything else. The enemies themselves look horrifying, especially their evolved forms, the atmosphere is gloomy and the music alone sends chills down your spine.
>>745952205https://youtu.be/0LuTGvN0sX8?is=I3tFZNYEH9BRJCfe
>>745952368https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjKD6dE_WDI>literally the first track of the game
>>745941175op is a fagsilent hill is their hell of course everything is personalized. its a psychological horror game you moron
>>745951560Maybe you should stick to Slenderman games buddy.
>>745952563>only played sh2
>>745951673you're not really an adult unless you stop feeling joy too
>>745952576sh1 - your daughter's hellsh2 - your personal hellsh3 - your hell but you are the daughtersh4 - serial killer's hell that you're forced intoshhc - your little brother's hellshdp - your personal helli've played the above and gotten all the endings. you are nogames
>>745952719op is specifically talking about when it's just the protagonist's personal trauma>sh1 - your daughter's hellalessa wasn't harry's daughter>sh3 - your hell but you are the daughtervincent says it seems more like claudia's
What's with all of the fake fans defending Townfall? You make any kind of criticism and you get called a racist. I can name a few>first person>no Akira>SH2 personal hell>bad enemy design (literally rips off a straight jacket from SH2)>combat looks very reminiscent of Condemned: Criminal Origins.>Silent Hill phenomenon used yet again to butcher already established SH lore.>gimmicky portable TV tuner used in replacement for the radio.Their response to these criticisms is to call me a fake fan and then proceed to show off all of their SH memorabilia(usually mostly consisting of SH2)
>>745955965I don't see anyone in this thread defending townfall. Anyway different =/= bad, yes the "phenomenon" is retarded but Silent Hill never needed a historical explanation for why it's the way it is so who cares about "muh lore", the axe-head is at the very least distinctive enough, certainly more so than the time SH3 literally recycled enemies from 1 and 2, combat looks fine but I really hope it's not the main focus like in f.
>>745955965What's bad about being racist? Blacks are the most racist people in the world, and that's about one of the few based things about them.Nothing wrong about racism - why is there a nigger in my game? Africans can make their own games if they want - I'd probably play them, too - there's a difference between authenticity and propaganda - like if a game is set in africa and devs are african, it would be weird if there were koreans or poles in there
>>745957506>Blacks are the most racist people in the worldNo that's the Asians.
>>745941175The concept of silent hill as a place that manifests your psychology into real cosmic horror is cool, but yeah in general this falls flat for me.
>>745957852yeah? alright bro, tell where you'd rather hot-drop right now - middle of china or middle of africaretard
>>745955965because it's tiring seeing the same arguments over and overjust wait for the game to release then shit on it if it's bad, haha nigger we get it
>>745957852>>745957926also I picked china because it's kind of a shithole, you know?I could've picked the easy option like japan or korea, so you know, I'll mention them tooRIGHT NOW, you're getting airdropped there - middle of Japan/Korea or Africa?
>>745957926Hey Chang I was just saying which culture is more racist not which one had better living conditions, and it's really a choice between working to death in a diamond mine vs working to death in a sweatshop/shein factory.
>>745957506>Africans can make their own gamescan you make your own game?
>>745958213If Japan's so great why is the birthrate so low yet the suicide rate so high?
>>745958324I'm not a chang though, but you're definitely a nigger or self-hating whiteand chinks have better living conditionsalso you didn't answer the question - you, getting dropped RIGHT NOW into china/africaalso that's only concerning chinamiddle of korea/japan or middle of africa? right now?diamond mines or sweatshops was never in the equation>>745958647the question is not whether it's "great" or not - where would you rather get dropped right now - japan or africa? you didn't answer - very telling
>>745958647>schools are having to combine classes from other regions due to the dramatic decrease in popular from the next generationGrim.
>>745941175>dark entity that exists beyond your perception>”why are these monsters manifesting as things I can actually perceive?”are you retarded or do you truly just lack understanding?They manifest like that because there isn’t another way for you to perceive themCthulhu and all those other formless horrors assume a form perceptible to humans but do not actually look like squid aliensWe don’t know what they truly look like, as the closer we get to comprehending them, the more our minds breakThis is what silent hill isIt’s tip toeing on the edge of sanity with forms that are relatable to its victims, but going further than this invites complete psychological collapseNigger
>>745955965>Still acting oblivious in 2026They put a nigger in the game to deflect criticism and push propaganda, simple as.
>>745941467that's the opposite of pretentious
>>745941283https://youtu.be/om6QZVMX9-M
>>745950643what are you talking about, theres woman in the first game as well
>>745941175The monsters in Silent Hill are born from human consciousness but they're real monsters. If they kill you it's the same as if a fucking bear killed you.
>>745960175he's pretending to be an adult
>>745954035your adopted daughter>seems more like claudia'syou're splitting hairs
>>745941467I play videogames for the gameplay not to soiface and tell people online that I was 'spooked'
>>745941175>game is shit because the trope that it spawned is now overdonelow IQ take
>>745964315For someone that only cares about fun. The good Silent Hill entries would objectively be a low engagement walking sims with bullshit puzzles. Spoopy stories/atmosphere is what it has going for it.
>>745964315So why are you playing the genre that excuses subpar gameplay for the atmosphere, go back to your gameplay first autismslop
>>745964820Maybe he's just really shit at games and doesn't want to play kids games?
>>745965069>gameplay guy>is shit at gameplayChecks out
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