Why did Rapture fail?
>>745943028because ayn rand was a stupid retarded foid
women and immigrants
magical slugs
>>745943028that's what chud societies do :)
I need to bring back art deco
>>745943028Because Levine had to character assassinate Ryan to make him retarded, so the contrived concept could work
If you played the games, it's fairly obvious that plasmids and addiction ruined it. Well, that and government organizations were after Andrew Ryan and his city. Plasmids created addicts, which in turned cause them to go insane and attack people. The Big Daddy program was also an issue alongside the Little Sisters.
>>745943028Don't give ordinary citizens abilities that are far more devastating than a gun that can't be removed.
>>745943028Andrew claimed to be an advocate of free markets but did everything in his power in order to prevent a free market from growing all because he was afraid of letting go of power in the face of Fontaine beating him at his own game.
>>745943028Its what happens when you treat your working class as disposable.>>745943097Also this
>>745943126ikr? Buildings today are so soulless.
a man chooses...a slave obeys...
>>745943092fpbp
>>745943197>Its up to owners to do the right thing dough.
>>745943197>Its what happens when you treat your working class as disposableDo you think the average Amazon delivery driver could do what Jeff Bezos does?
because sophomore level philosophy falls apart the moment it gets put into practice
Not trad enough, too much freedom.
>>745943271no, but actually intelligent grunts at the same level could.
>BioShock 1: what if we create paradise and have the lower class scrub the toilets >BioShock infinite: what if we create paradise but have nonwhites scrub the toilets
>>745943271People generally don't like the idea of being completely disposable in society. There's a reason why organized crime got as powerful as it did, you aren't gonna rat on the guy who runs a poor house, feeds the homeless and runs community events even if he is a criminal.
>>745943131>NOOO THIS WRITER WHO CREATED THIS CHARACTER WROTE HIM WRONG!!
unregulated anarchy it teaches you how most people can't be left on their own devices
>Narcissist creates "Utopia" for capitalists because he had to pay taxes or something >believes everyone should behave like him and have the exact same morals>demonizes anything that resembles empathy >expects everyone to play nicely>other Narcissists flock over and create their little echo chambers>one of the new comers, gets ambitious and tries to overthrow the original Narcissist by getting everyone addicted to gene splicing >basic economy happens, demand exceeds supply, chaos ensuescapitalism badgatekeeping good
>everyone blaming the addictsthe addicts were just symptoms of systemic problems you fucking BOURGEOIS
>>745943028A society predicated on things working exactly as intended without deviation is doomed to fail, especially if it flies in the face of human nature.
>>745943357You stole this from Mandy's vid.
>>745943028Because instead of living by his ideals Ryan chimped the fuck out that Fontaine was better at being a capitalist with no moral core.Fontaine did literally nothing wrong by the standards of Rapture.But Ryan thought the sweat of Rapture's brow belonged to him.>>745943271What? Fuck an ugly woman?Shit man, I see absolute derelicts with hotter women than Bezos' wife.What the fuck is even the point of money?
>youtuber makes video>midwits scramble to spam threads to flex their new totally legitimate assessment of the game totally not based on youtuber's opinion despite not playing the game or getting any of the myriad context for what the youtuber is sayinglike cockwork
>>745943357>People generally don't like the idea of being completely disposable in society.Quoth Sykes from EW2: "I don't have a problem being a grunt, but the second I see I'm expendable, I start looking for the door."
>>745943358>Hmm today i will ignore my civilization getting addicted to drugs and chimping out>and then i will let some stupid mick completely usurp my empire and have my army of grunts do nothing to stop itThe entire story is a giant strawman that insists Ryan will be too afraid of hypocrisy to undermine his extremist ideals, when every person in his position, across culture and time, have always stepped right over hypocrisy to reframe their beliefs to deal with the immediate problem.
>>745943461>being shocked that the board with the highest mobileposter ratio has mobileposters whose only video discussion gateway is youtube sludge
>>745943028keeping water out of anything is a bitch and a half. let alone on the scale of an entire city
>>745943028I do love the splicing being used as a metaphore for rampant drug addiction that can't be solved by an empathy-less society. Great visual metaphor held up by their mutations and the quickly decaying unprepared, leaking world around you. You really get the sense in 1 that the ocean is just moments away from collapsing all the walls and killing everything instantly.
>>745943358He’s right though. Despite conceiving and being the driving force behind the creation of an underwater city, Ryan had to somehow fail to understand basic human behaviors and economic incentives for the plot to work. Of course, realistically, Rapture would fail for a whole host of more practical reasons, but for the ideological failure they went for, Ryan had to suddenly be completely myopic.
Because a city cannot be full of poets and scientists who have no capability of maintaining fixing the infrastructure, doubly so when underwater..
>>745943630You retard, there's no metaphors. Its literally just about what would happen to an underwater city and its plumbing if the people turned into crazy mutants
>>745943028Goyim
>>745943681and the curtains were just blue too right?
Everything you "know" about Andrew Ryan is slander and libel. You're letting gossip and popular opinion win you over like niggercattle.
>>745943538I wouldn't say it's a strawman, the story makes more sense when you look at it of the perspective of Anrew Ryan being an egomaniacal retard who saw Fontaine as a threat because the dude was stealing his thunder by being on his way to being richer and more well liked than Andrew.
living underwater is expensive
>>745943369and the real problem is lazy commies telling people they're fine no matter what they do because we organize society on the shoulders of few people meanwhile everybody else leech from them
Becase it was written to fail to accomodate the writer's worldview
>>745943758everyone works in a communist society. you're not allowed to be a bum. they had work camps for that
>>745943763now THAT'S media literacy
>>745943673You actually find some audio diaries from some of the people responsible for doing just that. The problem wasn't that they didn't have people that could fix shit, it was that Ryan cheaped out on a bunch of shit. Like one of the diaries is a guy telling Ryan about how the pipes need some kind of insulation or heating metthod because if they don't have that, the cold as fuck ocean water will freeze in, and burst the pipes, all of the pipes.
>>745943702No obviously blue is the authors favorite color
Fill your cravings at the circus of values!
It's a libertarian society so really Fontaine did nothing wrong and was just competition for Ryan.>B-but he broke the lawOh what court is Fontaine supposed to go to? The one run and owned by Ryan? Get real.
>>745943028>Why did Rapture fail?Because it's the inevitable consequences of ancap, aka a return to medieval lords ruling over other by deception and force.Bioshock 2 did a good job of showing you'd need constant propaganda to fight the inevitable reapparition of a centralized governmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIB30tyxXY0>>745943092FPBP
>>745943878>Oh what court is Fontaine supposed to go to? The one run and owned by Ryan? Get real.Thats just normal capitalism
>>745943792>everyone works in a communist societyor, what actually happens in every communist society under USSR, some people work and all the others just go to their jobs and do nothing while the administrator was falsifying numbers to be inside the production quota
the discovery of ADAM accelerated the complete collapse of rapture, but that shit place was doomed from the start. Where your entire upper class are made of retarded and bored rich cucks who are already committing depraved shit, and then denying them their hedonistic distractions from the surface.
>>745943919well theres certainly problems when you have a communist economy setup to try and compete with a capitalist one while at the same trying to also subvert by taking out ever increasing loans without the intent to ever pay them back. you need to look like you can produce more than you actually are for starters
>>745943908I don't know if it was ever mentioned but did Rapture even have it's own legal/court system? At least back on the surface most 1st world countries couldn't just do what they pleased because legal precedent was a thing. I can't even imagine how they'd settle civil disputes down there.
>>745943908It's retarded. Why would I go to some other chump's court when he could simply come to my court that is run by me and my associates?
>>745943991probably tribunals or boards that adjudicate behind closed doors. all hand picked by the guy in charge, of course
>>745943708he was too autistic and naïve to think he could trust normies to play nice
>>745943919>>745943792>>745943758there is not enough work for every single able-bodied person to work an equal amount and the inequality needs to be addressed in a way that throws as few people under the bus as possiblealso being mad at people in the same class as you or lower class for things that are undeniably the fault of the upper class is retarded
>>745944005meant for >>745943984dunno how I replied to a post I hadnt even seen yet
>>745943907What the Libertarian fails to realize is that the Ticket Inspector enjoys looking at tickets and if the Libertarian does not show him a ticket then the Ticket Inspector, being insulted by the lack of a ticket, now has the right to respond to this violation of the non aggression principle by shooting the Libertarian in the head.If you take away an Autist's hyperfixation is he not entitled to shoot you in the head?Yes, says the Spirit of Libertarianism. Mind your own fucking business and stay out of his way.
>>745943827You're right but it's more than that>Darling Masha -- We don't know what has happened to you… Ryan's men have taken you away and said you are needed to save Rapture. Who needs a child to save a city? But I see these little girls crawling out of these vents, and I only wonder if you might one day crawl out of this vent and find this note. We look for you, but if you find this, come to us at the Fighting McDonagh's in room #7. The code to our room is 7533. We miss you, our darling child.>Masha Come HomePeach Wilkins puts up a complains how the lives of lower skill workers didn't change upon moving to Rapture. They were all sold a dream of being captains of industry but only a few actually got that. If you weren't in Andrew Ryan's circle then you were trapped in the ghettos forever. Yes Andrew Ryan's guilded paradise has ghettos. And since there's no oversight on anything, thugs can just steal your children. YOU can be kidnapped. There's no public protection, so if you want to remain safe then you have to pay for it. There's no insurance. There's no public safety of any kind>On the surface, the Parasite expects the doctor to heal them for free, the farmer to feed them out of charity. How little they differ from the pervert who prowls the streets, looking for a victim he can ravish for his grotesque amusement.>Parasite ExpectationsSince the rich in Rapture saw the poor is beasts of burden and not people, why the fuck would they NOT eventually hit a breaking point and rebel?
>>745943028jews
>>745943028Cthulhu found the neighbors playing their youth music annoying so he cursed them
>>745943973sounds like nu-communist cope to me
>>745944043>>745944005private arbitration sounds like a good way for one side to get their kneecaps smashed after the ruling down there, or being shot with bees.
>>745944021>there is not enough work for every single able-bodied person to work an equal amount and the inequality needs to be addressed in a way that throws as few people under the bus as possiblecan't they just die?>also being mad at people in the same class as you or lower class for things that are undeniably the fault of the upper class is retardedshut up retard
>>745943028I miss when interesting games like this came out. Everything is just generic anime or trying to copy dark souls now
>>745944117you are just another ant under the great boot, and no matter how many other ants you push down you can not avoid the boot itself
>>745943028Because the Elites can't build
>>745944126Prey was good. It did everything Bioshock did better, in my opinion.
>>745944126its funny because I remember when it released people were shitting on it for being too streamlined and dumbed down. Things have gotten so much worse outside of some indie titles, that people are nostalgic for Bioshock
Why wad the second Bioshock better than the first one?
>>745944207Having weapons and plasmids ready together was a big help
>>745944117if we're killing off useless parasites to society then everyone who posts on a 20 year old image board are the first to get tossed into the ovens
>>745944143the only metaphorical boot that exists is your own stupidity, that's itit's insane how many actual marxist retards exist today
>>745943028Because the liberal Marxist writers decided it to be so when they made the story for the game.
Okay then jackass, what would (You) do if you got zapped into Andrew Ryan's body right at the start of the game's events? You can't say "I wouldn't let it get that bad in the first place," tell me how with ALL OF YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND PHILOSOPHICAL SUPERIORITY would you fix the situation?
>>745944207Got rid of a lot of the bullshit the first had like the awful hacking minigames, also it had my favorite build in it.>Drill specialist>Hypnotized splicers and big daddies>Hacked security cameras>Hacked turrets>Hacked sentries>All in the same roomJust TRY and hurt my daughter now, assholes.
>>745944207I felt more connected to the Daddy/Daughter story than Andrew Ryan's politics
>>745943210I prefer the lower one.Less of an eyesore on the neighborhood. If you could remove the "M" it would be even better.
>>745943028because magic kike jizz bullshittery
>>745944259>>745944271I wonder what it feels like to have such a correct worldview. You are just so smart.
>>745944278i'd build rapture then blow it up to kill all the rich people and take their stuff then go back to America and live it up because the only reason why Ryan built this shit is because he got spooked by FDR's mildly socialist policies to help the country during the biggest economic crisis the world has ever seen
>>745943028commie subversion
What do they eat?
>>745943028Because they didn't tax the rich
>>745944248how do you associate people who posts on a 23* years old image board with usefulness for society except your own feelings? it's a very female thing to do.also why the ovens? ovens costs fuel. if somebody can't provide to himself he gonna die by himself by starvation or not being medical treated. why wasting power or fuel with ovens?
It was written in by a Jew.
>>745944185care to explain why? I can't be bothered to finish the game and I'm 20 hours in
>>745943708>no god no king>make a giant status of himself>instill a cult of his personality>essentially control the city
>>745944278Change locations for starters instead ANDREW RYAN'S OFFICE so you don't get shankedget your forces under controlpost big a bounty of plasmids in exchange for Atlas' (Fugtaine) head and ask to deliver it to isolated placeflood the place, start exterminating crackheads
>>745944331marxism brought to the world such wondering functioning societies like... uh... USSR? oh right... didn't work very well. I'm sure if we implement USSR with parasitic brown people and trannies it will work this time
>>745944278Figure out social safety nets for starters. It's so fucking dumb just on a mathematical level. It's not like on the surface where you can just import a bunch of workers from India for almost nothing to do your labor. You live in a literal bubble. Your pool of workers is whoever came with you to build your city. Why are you antagonizing by allowing people like Steinman to turn them into Picasso paintings because the voices in his head told him to? Why are you trying to monetize FUCKING OXYGEN?So yeah if you're stuck with a limited pool of workers to do the shit you feel like you're too good to do, maybe keep them alive? Or at least prevent the worst degenerates from fucking with them.
Libertarians cannot cooperate. We got real life examples of this too every time libertarians try to set up an IRL society for themselves, like the Free State Project where their utopia was overrun by garbage and wildlife it attracted because the libertarians were unable to solve the problem of trash since nobody wanted to pay for waste disposal even after it became a problem.
>>745944410if you don't like it you don't like it, but I've played a great many immersive sims and Prey is by far the best I've ever played. I played through it multiple times back to back and I NEVER do that.
philosophy and politics are not compatible
>>745944710*ding ding ding ding*and we have a winnerin a thread full of literal marxists we have the heavyweight retard who won
>>7459442781. Get rid of currency 2. Instill collectivist ideals 3. Homogenize the housing 4. Get rid of any parasite jobs (i.e middle-men)5. Everyone will work and provide some tangible value6 Everyone will get access to the same luxuries 7 Lesser crime is hard-labor, anything above it is death There's other corners i'm missing, but that's good enough for a random post.
why is the schizophrenic man using "marxist" as an insult? Explain like I'm 5
>>745944573that's cool. but you didn't explain anything, you're just saying it's the best imsim you've played and it has good replayability in your eyes
>>745944126Games used to be made by people who had a life outside of games. Games were a young medium and you had to bring something external and new to the table. Ken Levine read a few books and was a political science / American history nerd before he wrote Bioshock. Now, most people making games grew up doing nothing but playing games. They have no life experience, they have no knowledge, they don't know anything about art, history, culture, spirituality, they have nothing to draw inspiration from. >>745944206It was streamlined and dumbed down compared to System Shock, but System Shock was a game where you could softlock yourself by picking the wrong skills. Bioshock went too far with the vita-chambers but it was going in the right direction. Also it gets bonus points for being one of the only 7th gen shooters that let you carry 8 weapons instead of 2.
>>745944710ESL.
>>745944710they are one of the most inherently coupled things in humanity.Philosophy in some branches can be independent, but you absolutely CAN NOT have politics without philosophy.
>>745945080yes, exactlyI have reasons for liking it but why would I give those reasons to hostile anonymous strangers who want to judge and insult me?
>>745945280I'm not being hostile, I'm asking you to explain why you think it's one of the best game's you've ever played and you're taking it the wrong way instead of just simply answering the question. Why would I bother asking you to explain why it's one of the best games you've played if I didn't care? I'm trying to figure out what makes this one of the best games you've ever played and you think I'm being hostile.
>>745944117most of the people you think are leeches are actually working shift work to keep the entire edifice of society standing up. unlike white collar workers, if the bottom class got eliminated we'd have nothing left in a day. meanwhile you get rid of everyone making over six digits and society would be fine if not better for it
>>745944060>Andrew Ryan's guilded paradise has ghettosUtopia having a slave underclass has been the joke about Utopias since ancient Greece; the play The Assemblywomen has since quote>Who will till the soil, he asks his wife? “The farming will be done by the slaves,” she blithely replies.
>>745945059Marx was a loser who mooched off his relative and decided he knew more about the economy then everyone else. Then he wrote a book about it.
>a bunch of elites form their own hedonistic society in the middle of the ocean, many of them with jewish backgrounds>they also kidnap and abuse children there
>>745945732>The children with their very long needles, their tuneless songs, their ghastly errands. Their ghoulish, Frankenstein fathers. But, we've all placed our hand on the Great Chain of endeavor. My hand is on it, Fontaine's is on it -- We all pull it and are pulled by it. Yes, these children are an abomination. But it is not my hand alone on the chain that created them. No. Their little fingers were right there, next to mine.>Pulling Together, Andrew RyanNo anon, you see it's the children's fault for being vulnerable. Why should they get protection just for being children? They chose this just as much as everyone else
>>745945732sometimes i wonder if it was adrenochrome disclosure
Libertarians finding out we actually live in a society and laws are good.
>>745945871Why do scientists always want to experiment on children. Don't they have an ethics course in university?
2 > 1
>>745944294This.That maroon ornamentation on the corners is also grossly excessive. They should remove it.Speaking on corners, this structure has far too many right angles for my taste. They should streamline the design into a cube.Actually, speaking of vain details all those windows create needless contrast. Brick them up.Also, pave over that shrubbery in front. It is unhygienic.
>>745946192>Watched a thing on Tardigrades>one researcher is like "yeah i really want to chop off BODY_PART and see what happens!"They're all psychopaths
>>745943028Because it was run by retarded leftwing atheists who worshipped women and immigrantsDid you not play any of the games?
>>745944056The leap of logic in >>745943907 pic is the most hilarious part>public transport>publicWhat is even public for a Libertarian?Transport take money to run, so you are the one trespassing if you don't pay>criminal organization known as "The State"A state is what define frontier, what is "criminal" or "public" in the first place, so if you aren't part of the state, you are an illegal immigrant>right of Nordic Blood>right>HonorWho enforces this Viking racism beside you?I'm going to enforce my inalienable right to kill you for recreative purpose, in the name of the noble pursuit of happiness.>legal battleWho enforce the justice system? Oh wait>undeserved privileges for his classClass based society now?>PayWith what? Barter system? Dogecoin?
>>745944278Fix what?The city is literally falling apart and 99.99% of its population is monstrous crackhead serial killers.At that point, just depressurize the whole city and start over from scratch.On the next go around, perhaps we try building a city without doing stuff like kidnapping pre-schoolers and transforming them into ghoulish slug-gene dispensaries.
>>745944290Fuck you.The pipe minigames were the heart and soul of Bioshock.The moment they were removed the series began its death-spiral.
>>745946534>pic relatedWhy didn't the dumbass just swim back to shore? It's just a lake. Or is he too anemic and unfit to swim? Does he not know how to swim?Deserved.
Ryan's ego led him to compromise all of his values out of fear of losing control of 'his' cityTurns out his libertarian principles weren't really what he cared about most after all
>>745943028Human nature, it's why leftists and libertarians are so retarded. If you don't have a strong state figure to mete out justice and order (corrupted justice and order mind you since it's still humans at the top) you're gonna end up with a shithole like Rapture in the end.
>>745943210>>745946418Brutalism is a legit architectural choice
>>745946989It's a legit one, it's just also a bad one.
Because this was the population of Rapture.
>>745946989>FlagSuch shameless extravagance.
>>>/vc/ - Video Game Celebrities
>>745947095I still don't get how a anarcho capitalist society would work if you use private defense companies like wouldn't one just get enough power to start just taking your shit eventuallyand the others might think "hmm we're getting our asses kicked by this company we can't beat, we better start taking shit from our clients too"
>>745943160>far more devastating than a gunDamn right, you should never be allowed to have more than a musket, and strictly in your home.
>>745947452What the fuck are you...One of the plasmids is literally mind control man.NOBODY can be trusted to handle that power responsibly.
>>745947095most people in rapture weren't even libertarian, they were just regular apolitical boomers. it's annoying that this meme ideology and its detractors always occupy the conversation.
>>745943028fentanyl
>>745946534That image is what covid vaccines felt like. Single handedly made so many people I know eternally hate the government. They even literally used phrases like "free choice" all while dooming you to starve to fucking death if you didn't kneel.
>>745943271I think Jeff Bezos would be a fucking failure as an Amazon delivery driver.
>>745943792Are you sure? Because i have screen caps of people with hammer and sickles in their bio's saying they will be dog walkers and philosophers after the revolution.They expect do nothing jobs and being a member of the party wankery.
>>745947418It wouldn't and fall back to tribalism where the libertarians are hunted for acting against the benefit of everyone, simple as that.Anything "anarcho-whatever" is code word for "I want the system to be biased my way".
>>745948179That pic makes no sense. A small government can't enforce a king's will
>>745948237It's just getting rid of useless managers in government, and only having a core cabal. An army doesn't need 50 senators to give it commands, just 1.
>>745943028capitalism is destined to fail
I was like 13-15 when Bioshock was popular and I remember people saying 'The game is about the ideology in a book called Atlas Shrugged' so I figured 'WOW Andrew Ryan is SO charismatic I bet that book is awesome!!!'And I read the first 30 or so pages and was horribly confused, because the woman character was essentially arguing that paying your friend (with the smaller business) for railroad supplies is fucking cringe, gay and retarded because Big McDonalds Walmart Railroad Conglomerate HAS to be big for an amazing reason. Also his friend should fucking kill himself for trying to compete.I got really sad because my barely developed brain just thought 'Shouldn't we be more supportive of smaller, struggling businesses?' because i'd always feel bad driving past a closed down store.
>>745947623I'm not disagreeing anon, thought a so-called libertarian would argue that MIND CONTROL POWER simply mean you are just a very convincing person, and taking this away from you is an attack on your free speech.No that it is clarified, Would You Kindly tell how smart is my post.
>>745947418Because it's unprofitable to do so, since you can just stop funding them by cancelling your service (something you can't do with the government and are forced to pay for services you may not even use, like public healthcare, or welfare basically being a forced charity, i.e. redistribution of wealth, i.e. socialism). And so will other companies stop selling to them, because who the fuck wants bad PR? Plus other agencies would step in.
>>745948338An army led by only a single person would be incredibly rigid, dumb, prone to be tricked since you are only tricking one person, and incapable of adapting to rapid change on multiple front.
>>745948698army would still have a regular chain of command, its commander would simply report to 1 person / the cabal.You can look at the large majority of societies in any time period, and realize humanity always converge towards a cabal at the top.
2007 /v/ sided with Andrew Ryan.I was there.
>>745948864>people had different opinions 20 years agoWtf..... Are you... saying.. People... CHANGE..?!?!?!
>>745948439It is a dumb book.The problem however is not new, you want small business to work so you have a "control" over things. But the money required to build actually useful infrastructure can only be done by a single giant corporation able to use that much money.The idiocy is believing that competition between private actor is the only way to encourage progress, it works somewhat when anyone can afford to compete (and are forced to do it fairly), not when the only competitor is a giant corporation supported by another country to destroy yours.It's all politic and the only solution would be democratic control over the "business" supporting the infrastructure keeping everyone happy.
>>745948850The majority of societies across history didn't have professional standing armies, that requires way more in the way of logistics and government support than the old 'round up peasants and arm them'
>>745949005that is not the takeaway, newfag
>>745948439>I got really sad because my barely developed brain just thought 'Shouldn't we be more supportive of smaller, struggling businesses?'Rand would have backhanded your ass which means you still have a soul.
>>745943028Fontaine spells it out for you in game. Someone had to clean the toilets. That level of inequality and wealth disparity leads to a civil war eventually, no matter the setting.
>>745949105>But the money required to build actually useful infrastructure can only be done by a single giant corporationNo that should be done by a hypothetical government who isn't siphoning tax money and sending the rest overseas
>>745948850>cabalLoaded are you?It's not a cabal if they were put in position by democratic means and selected for competence.Without naming IRL example, we've seen multiple despotic top-down system fail against decentralized forces, and if THE MAN at the top chose his sub-collaborators for loyalty over competence, removing anyone telling him what he doesn't want (but need) to hear, you are also setting yourself for failure.
>>745949175didn't prove me wrong tho
>>745944060>those who would trade their freedom for safety are prepared for a master, and deserve one
>>745943827This is stupid. How is a pipe submerged in water that is permanently above freezing temperature supposed to freeze ? If anything the real problem is the cold ocean water leeching off every bit of heat you're trying to carry
>>745949229The corporation would do it paid by the government, taking enough share in the company to be able to remove the corrupt and incompetent.Fully nationalizing an industry is as bad as anarcho-capitalism.
>>745943028Because "Who cleans the garbage?" is going to be a legitimate concern and reason for uprisings as Fontaine himself proved. You can't have a society where your upper class looks down on the lower class but relies on them for everything since any of them just not doing anything means the collapse of the society. They didn't exactly have automation for catching fish or anything so it was bound to fail with how everyone was treated.Because even if you agree with some of Ryan's core philosophies people are still religious or have certain vices and needs that won't be met in his regulated utopia.Because they gave everyone access to extremely addictive drugs that also gave you superpowers. The sheer stupidity of this was astounding.
>>745949439Ocean water is salty and salt water can actually get colder than freezing without freezing. There would be fresh water in the pipes, which WOULD end up freezing unless heated, just as the guy said.The fact that Rapture is also surrounded by a deep, cold ocean is bad because in essence its being heat-sunk 24/7 all the time forever
>>745943271No, anon, the average delivery driver is not a sociopath.
>>745943028The Irish.
there is a heavily implicit "if everyone in the world was like me" in all the belief systems being shared ITTyou're learning the wrong lesson from the game here, it's not "oh that one single shortsighted political system doesn't work," it's that absolutely ANY political system that doesn't address the fundamental realities of society like for example that EVERYONE IS VERY DIFFERENT is doomed to faillike yes no shit if you made an ethnostate of like-minded clones you could make almost any belief system work you are not a fucking genius savant for realizing this it very obvious and surface level
>>745943195which was actually Fontaine’s plan all along - to expose Ryan as a total hypocrite who didn’t believe he is in own ideals.>Ryan tells every other business owner to stfu and stop complaining about Fontaine because muh free markets >turns into an authoritarian tyrant when Ryan challenges his businesses
I'd consider myself a libertarian, but I struggle to understand ancaps. I'm all for a free market exempt from government regulations, but I don't really see the need to completely abolish the state. What's wrong with just having a Jeffersonian-style limited federal government with strong state's rights? In that model: the state's would compete with each other similar to corpos and if you don't like the way one state is ran you can just pack your bags and move to a new one.
>>745949860extremism in any direction is generally the wrong way to go about things and true libertarianism (not just the strawmen used to attack it) is foundationally flexible and adaptabletl;dr it isn't even libertarianism
>>745943271>Do you think the average Amazon delivery driver could do what Jeff Bezos does?Unironically, yesWould he be good at it? Debatable, but I also wouldn't trust Bezos to load half a truck without fucking it up, so it goes both ways
>>745947095>the islandhe/his family paid for those roads and schools and social security with their tax money, he is entitled to their use>whitey-oh it was made by the drooling type of leftists, wish i realized that before i engaged
>>745943028Most of the population where narcissistic sociopaths.
>>745949860ancaps presuppose that any government is a slippery slope towards eventual overreach and subversion of your rights
>>745949339>if they were put in position by democratic meansnever happens, you can only choose between pre-selected people. And the voting itself is already rigged by owners of media controlling opinion by control on information. The sole accomplishment of the election is to blame the people for all deeds the rulers commit to avoid the classical revolution/lynching.>>745949804we can see it with europe and japan more recent, you flood in foreigners that behave like animals and the system that used to work fail. Though you could say the system already failed when it let the traitors gain positions of power that enabled the flooding in first place.
>>745949804No no no, the point everyone agrees on is that Rapture extremist "anarcho-capitalism" is doomed to fail.A working system can address some difference, just not ANY difference.And libertarian simply cannot be catered to because by definition they only care about themselves and would see no problem with destroying the system as long as it benefit themselves.Oh sure, some "libertarian" are nice people who will voluntarily work for the benefit of others. But the system also exist to keep such libertarian from destroying the system by sheer ignorance/recklessness.
>>745948179This isn't what people mean when they say "small government"no one wants to decrease the size of the legislature, they want to reduce the amount of regulations interfering in actions where the Constitution specifically forbids it to
>>745943092How many doesn't know Andrew Ryan's name forms the anagram "We R Ayn Rand"?
>>745949804none of that is remotely the issue in Rapturein fact Rapture is doing the opposite of what you claim as the specific issue is that it empowers all individuals as individuals without guardrails
>turns out the only viable system is a capitalist free market where the people share morals and values>we removed christianity from the equation and thus removed our shared morals and values>the west begins to declinefunny, innit
>>745950323japan was doing just fine before capitalism and christianity
>>745950323holy tranny golem
>>745950323>turns out the only viable system is a capitalist free marketFirst bullet point and you're already wrong, schlomo
>>745950281empowering sounds positive, they lost their marbles in the process. Any gov system fails if the citizen turn into irrational zombies.>>745950323>roman empire was fine, then came christianity and then it fell.clearly going back to roman gods must be the solution
>>745948338>An army doesn't need 50 senators to give it commands, just 1.lmao /v/jeets are so retarded
>>745950323>we removed christianity from the equation*loud incorrect buzzer noise* The real issue is the insane power creep of the federal government over the years to the point where America is a borderline socialist hellscape except without any of the niceties like cheap healthcare that the Chinese get to enjoy.
>>745943028Because Andrew Ryan was a hypocrite in denial who had a melty because Fontaine was more free from his 'chains' than Ryan could ever hope to be purely by nature of being a business minded psychopath. That said Fontaine was also a shitter because he lacked vision. They're two halves of a broken Ubermensch.
>>745945420>people you think are leeches are actually working shift work to keep the entire edifice of society standing upI'm quite sure you don't know who am referencing to>white collars muh marxism muh le richI assume you talking about rich people. I'm afraid I have to shatter this insane dream of yours but you'll never rid of rich people because there will be always riches because they're smarter, they dig their way through society regardless.
>>745950395>"doing just fine">gets cratered in three years by the capitalist christian nation they poked with a stick>>745950461>buzzwording buzzword buzzword>>745950476>no argument>>745950509>roman empireproving my pointwow what a bunch of fuckin lightweights you all are. pathetic showing.
>>745943028Drug addiction is the downfall of all libertarians >hurrdurr I want a society where everyone is high as a kite>wait why is nobody working anymore>wait why is everyone committing crime>wait why is everyone acting like chimps>wait where did our values go
>>745950060>he/his family paid for those roads and schools and social security with their tax money, he is entitled to their useSo if your family members paid the tax as was their duty as citizens, you, citizen don't have to keep them working?I don't foresee your society working for more than a generation.>wish i realized that before i engagedWhat would you even say about the "Whitey" that wouldn't defend racism?"no no it's not racial discrimination, I just don't want to people of certain race."It's rather spot on, you can't deny that exactly the kind of dumb, disingenuous, biased or hypocritical opinions held by libertarian
>>745950656>>gets cratered in three years by the capitalist christian nation they poked with a stickAre we talking about viable political systems, or war? Stay coherent.
>>745950536we get scammed with "free healthcare" too, the reality is you get forced to pay into the system while it denies you services because it operates for profit and the ceo gets a bigger bonus the more money he saves money by denying services.That aside US has a new religion with social justice movement preached through university and goverment measures. The separation of state and religion was effectively abolished by simply saying its not a religion.
>>745943858Voiced by Ken Levine, by the way.
>>745950687Major plothole in bioshock that Ryan didn't have lab boys research and mod out the junkie gene.
>>745947418>wouldn't one just get enough power to start just taking your shit eventuallyyes, then it would call the theft "taxes" and call itself the government
>>745943028Cause of a magical juice that gave people superpowers or something
>>745950697>war and the economy are mutually exclusiveif i have to explain to you that the might of the american economy resulted in their ability to produce weapons and technology that leveled two japanese cities and prompted their full surrender, you do not have the appropriate knowledge base to participate in this discussion
>>745950323I think the biggest problem by far is that we abandoned our workers. Everything became about squeezing anyone, low, middle or upper class doesn't matter, who dutifully paid its taxes to make the politician class richer while they just invent and import problems to keep the citizens to smokescreen their stealing and looting.
>>745950139>never happensSound like a (You) problem.My country have no problem see through "control of information" and are fully responsible for the rulers they elected.
>>745943028Running an underground city is like hard
>>745950850so christianity and shared moral values are actually irrelevant then, and you're actually just arguing for corporatocracy, which results in ultimate might.
>>745950236I think everybody noticed that, at least those who knows who ayn rand was
>>745950850nuke scientists came from germany, us and soviets both got their nukes taking scientists from nazi germany. Literally just got lucky.
>>745950979that is the "capitalist" portion of "christian capitalist" at work. i know you're a commie but having money is actually good
>>745943028fontaine
>>745951078there was nothing christian about a bunch of jews and free masons creating israel you retard.
>>745950940>my country is perfectlmao
>>745950323>>we removed christianity from the equation and thus removed our shared morals and valuesAnd it improved civilization dramatically,The current decline is directly linked to conservative pundit and religious sect such as Christianity coming back and trying to destroy our morals and values to replace them with theirs.
>>745945420>if we got rid of the most productive and intelligent people, society would be fine if not betterthis attitude is what caused breadlines
>>745951149the current decline is from the new religion that used to brand itself social justice and now is branded as woke.
>>745951032the US spent millions and millions of dollars to supply the Allies during the war then rebuild europe afterwards. they werent doing that solely out of the goodness of their hearts, they expected something in return - loyalty, influence, spoils of war, whatever it was. they were capitalists.
>>745943028what kind of construction company build all of that below the ocean and where did they take all the building material from.logistics must have been an absolute nightmare
>>745943858HEH HEH HEH HEEEEEeeeeh
>>745950536>without any of the niceties like cheap healthcare that the Chinese get to enjoy.Chink propagandist spotted.Chinese healthcare is so retarded it encourage killing someone you accidentally harmed, instead of paying for his health cares.
>>745943028the moral of the story is that excess is bad
>>745943028Because their was no benevolent government to look after the people. Now pay your taxes.
>>745944278first off i would just turn Rapture into a tax haven like monaco and play nice with the USA. Rapture being fucking isolated made every one of it's problems like 2000000x worse.
>>745951236 Capitalists and commies both got nukes by simply robbing another country. Literal 0 personal accomplishment.
>>745943028Leftists are bootlickers but that's apparently that's a good thing
>>745951134Never said that, but democracy isn't much at risk.At least it's not a Gerrymandered two-party system still balanced around a history of slavery, where the supreme court are chosen for life by whoever happened to be president at the right time, even if elected without popular majority.
>>745951256Bill McDonagh was a contractor that Andrew Ryan hired after being impressed by his work ethic>I met Ryan the day me and the lads were installing the bathroom plumbing up in his posh Park Avenue digs. "Oi!" says he, "What's with all the brass fittings? General contractor had me down for the tin." "Well," I says, "I supposed it's the contractor then who'll be bailing out your loo once a fortnight, is it? If it's price you're worried about, I'll be picking up the brass, so not to worry, squire." "And why would you be doing that?" says he. "Well, Mr. Ryan, profit or not, no man bails water out of privies built by Bill McDonagh." The next day I finds out, I'm Ryan's new general contractor.>Meeting Ryan
well, /v/?
>>745951404capitalists spent millions of dollars and communists spent millions of lives to destroy fascists and take their secret tech, it's not like US/USSR were sitting around playing with their balls when some german scientists showed up at their doors
>>745951453so where did Bill McDonagh get the knowledge, equipment, material and crewl for large scale deep sea construction on a scale unheard of in all of human history?
>>745950850>Still believes the nukes ended the war>Talks about appropriate knowledgeKek
>>745951407You are most likely in Eu which means you already dont get to decide shit. EU passes a law and you have to comply like a bitch. German politics even lost vote in their own country but then pushed same laws through EU to force what they wanted down while everyone in EU took collateral damage. Not to mention how they just lobbied for heavier taxation for buying shit from china because the billionares want their middleman cut.
>>745951217>from the new religion>now is branded as woke....both part of a 1984-style newspeak strategy invented by conservative & techlord to attack democracy with conspiracy theory, pushing their own fascist ideology, cult of personality, and/or religious sect.
>>745951460There's a third choice of doing nothing
>>745943028When they let goyim in
>>745951637>invented byjews
>>745951629>EU passes a law and you have to comply like a bitchYou mean like Hungary who didnt do that for over a decade?
>>745951513This is like some retarded football player thinking bullying the nerd into doing his homework means he accomplished doing his homework. There is a difference in taking it from somewhere else and doing it yourself.
>>745943028Because it antinatural
>>745951629EU citizen vote for the EU council, it's democratic end-to-end. Don't speak of a topic you know nothing about outside conspiracy bullshit.Assuming of course you aren't some russian/chinese bot trying to stir anti-democratic opinion since the EU countries are gradually realizing China is leading an economic war against them.
>>745943369Misunderstood the plot award Ken Levine outright said it's not a critique of capitalism or even Ayn Rand. Yes, it is a fallen libertarian utopia, just as BioShock 2 is a fallen socialist utopia and Bioshock Infinite is a fallen theocratic utopia. The games are all about how men cannot build perfect societies.Hell Infinite spells it out pretty fucking blatantly by having the people who usurp the rulers being just as bad
>>745951575since it's kind of a piss-take on atlas shrugged, the dude would have busted out some super secret S-tier genius knowledge that he had developed himself but was being suppressed or stifled by red tape and mediocre politicians. in the book they all move to a secluded valley in the rockies and have wireless electricity and perpetual motion engines and they make a giant hologram that projects an image of pristine wilderness so they are hidden from planes
>>745951824you cant vote for any of the important positions. The votes dont matter. The fact that billionare lobbying just woked is another proof that its not serving the citizen. Youre just a indoctrinated slave sucking the masters dick while getting whipped.
>>745951875it would be perfect if i was in charge and tried thouever
>>745951824You're a slave lolYour vote and opinion matters as much as when the UN tells America to stop being free
>>745950323Look at Macron and the god of reason that France rallied behind. It is now a moslem country.
>>745951943
>>745951761no, you are suggesting the meathead football player was sitting there doing nothing when the nerd walked up and freely gave him his homework. what actually happened was the meathead football player went out and pummeled the nerd with his buddy, then they took his homework and graduated and one became governor, the other became mayor and the nerd went to work at a car factory. you can be pissed that your precious nazis got stomped by capitalists and commies, but dont act like neither did anything
>>745950171Ken Levine disagrees with you dumb fuck
>>745952015No, I'm based in the US, the only relevant country on the planet as evident by it living in your head rent free
>>745943028Because there was no way it couldn't. You hear about ryan killing smugglers "to send a message" but they were smuggling in bibles and wine for religious ceremonies. Because ryan didn't actually want a "utopia where every man was an island and nobody will take his freedoms". He was a bougie fuck who wanted a personal fiefdom of "rules for thee but not for me" where only his opinions and beliefs were correct and thats not how life or society of any sort works. There will always be multiple viewpoints and beliefs. Its human nature. ryan fundamentally did not understand this which ultimately makes him into another rich idiot like elon musk who uses money to push what he thinks is the utopian ideal for him and then gets surprised when people simply disagree.No compound this by building constantly corroding metal under god knows how many metric tons of ocean water and the crushing pressures of the depths and him telling all his workers "fuck off, free market will replace you" when they say "every piece of this city is going to all apart in the next 5 years and you are turning people into big daddies to constantly try and rivet it back together and that aint gonna work" and no shit Rapture fell. It couldn't have done anything else.
>>745951149>And it improved civilization dramatically,so truewestern society is so good now it's insane. now you can castrate children strip them all their identities and replace them with a newer and made up one. we also can have women killing a fetus per month, our society is so healed by the obscurantism of a fixed moral of divine origin. I can't wait when all the reminiscent religion beliefs are gone and replaced with secular religious beliefs based on few people preferences
>>745946534>this is the leftist allegory of getting a job or starving LOL
>>745952015So you admit immigration is a bad thing and the EU is wrong?
>>745952224You said he was based in India and he said he was in the USYou jews seem especially stupid today
>>745952057the point is they only got lucky that the nerd was there to pummel. If he wasnt there they would have nothing to show.If they cant produce it on their own then its not the accomplishment of capitalism/ communism. They both just found a lucky loot drop.
>>745952224Are you retarded?
>>745952224You mention the US right here >>745951407Why do Europeans just pretend to not understand things? Is it because your country is an irrelevant shithole and you have no freedoms?
answer me this, why capitalist have to build walls to keep people out but commies have to build walls to keep them in?
>>745952174>like Elon MuskWhen did Elon do that, bootlicker?
>>745950395>japan was doing just fine>goes full subhuman and start invading and raping and pillaging and gets nuked
>>745952309He's not European, he's a jew pushing for the ethnic replacement of Europeans
>>745943028Not enough little sisters to go around.
>>745943028It's been a long time since I replayed the gameis it really that hard to get it running on modern hardware?
>>745952334He isn't going to notice and uplift you rahjesh.
>>745952457Weird cope tranny, now answer the question
>>745952409Just go to the pcgamingwiki or check out Mandy's vid. He has a whole section talking about fixes for the pc port.
>>745950081This angle isn't explored enough, imo. Who came to Rapture? The people who were obsessed with wealth and status. A society populated entirely with mercenaries like that can't survive for long.And no, the obvious parallel is not lost on me.
>>745950395The west inadvertently ended the warring states period of Japan lolWithout the west that barbaric island could have been in another 100 years of local conflicts
>>745952062He doesn't, and even if he did, it wouldn't be the first time a creator disregard the logical conclusion brought up by his own work."Atlas shrugged" is exactly that, it's supposed to be a pro-ancap book but does a better job at showing how retarded the ideology is
>>745950692perhaps whitey looked at crime statistics and concluded that blacks, being statistically and provably far and away more prone to violent outbursts, were not worth the risk of serving. also, maybe they are third world immigrants who dont speak english and, seeing as how he has freedom to associate, he would rather not associate with people he cannot communicate with
>>745952580>west stopped 100years of additional Sekiro contentgrim
>>745952592Ah yes the classic commie cope like with Fallout >No I know better than the person who created the story! Fallout is about communism being good guys really!
>>745952309You quoted different anons. Shithole describe the US pretty well right now, the next Bioshock might as well have Donald as the main antagonist.
>>745952374as european I'm quite confident saying that there's a huge chance he's european seething at your political system because trump won, I hear them all day long and yeah, they're a lot>EU citizen vote for the EU council,no we don't you absolute stupid tardwe elect the parliament, the parliament elects the council. it's not the same thing
>>745951149>Improved civilizationIm sure the majority of zoomers and younger doomscrolling social media all day and wasting all their lives while the rot like some kind of stationary human fungus it's truly the peak of human civilization
>>745950323Do Christcucks really?
>>745952174>then gets surprised when people simply disagree.no one made people move to Rapture
>>745952687No rabbi we can tell you're samefagging>TDSAmerica's main issue, like Europe's, is open borders
>>745952631Sekiro takes place post western arrival in Japan and at the very end of the warring states period actually Part of the narrative is about the changing of eras
>>745952731post something that gets people seething but has yet to be refuted?
>>745952731Pick a subject rabbi, you're seething at like 10 different things now
>>745952714compared to being a subsistence farmer enslaved by the local lord, probably.
>>745944278Get the fuck out of there and escape back to the USA, blow the whole lot up behind meStart up a telecoms company when I get back
>>745943028because a conman came down to paradise and offered the losers of capitalism a piece of the pie. of course it was a lie and he was nothing more than a disingenuous power grabber in the end.not a particularly potent criticism against capitalism I must say
>>745952714>Life 400 years ago>One bad harvest or drought means your entire village dies>Every day you wake up at dawn and are forced to do backbreaking labor until sundown for the rest of your life>Zero social mobility>Everyone is illiterate, most people have probably never even seen a book before >Zero concept of medicine>Local daimyo gets angry because a guest sneezed during his half-cousins birthday party so he super rapes your village, murders all the men, and sells all the women and children into slavery
>>745944469Bongland, THE capitalists at the time before being eclipsed by the USA understood this, and invented the welfare stateYou'd think Ryan would realise this
>>745952830medieval farmers were unironically better of for most part if you look at actual history and not hollywood shit. Farming is hard work but winter season is largely free time outside repairs and they got taxed less and had their own land. Nowadays most people sit in a tiny apartment, cant afford shit and cope with entertainment.
>>745952649>FalloutAre you defending Bethesda shit having constructive and coherent narratives? Even the early games weren't more than an excuse for combat in a post-apocalyptic where everyone gave up reasons or didn't realize they are insane.>I know better than the person who created the story!Which happens all the time, not even talking of trolling author or saying platitude in interviews.
>>745944710Kek what the fuck is that even supposed to meanYou're so retarded it's unreal fucking lmao
>>745943028The opportunity to segregate from others for the sake of enjoying one's accomplishments, is a risk for losing what made sanity. To struggle with your fellow man, even while they cheat you, is a struggle mankind has known since forever...and is at the heart of maintaining healthy psychology. The family, for much time, is simply an other mouth to feed...and many progeny die earlier than ever contributing. Though such tragedy is likely, raising a family...and living in a society which parasites from your work even when you could move to Rapture, is a check and balance on mental psychology.
>>745952968don't forget you need to beg the year 400 (tech) lord for lands and by agreeing you defacto become his property
>>745943657A hardcore ancap libertarian failing to understand basic human behaviors and economic incentives is the most in-character thing you could possibly write.
>>745952968>>Local daimyo gets angry because a guest sneezed during his half-cousins birthday party so he super rapes your village,that's a chink thing, not jap
>jew game>jew depicts some society failing>mental retards start arguing over it as if it's somehow grounded in realityWhat is wrong with you dumb shit sub humans? You musn't see fictional shit as real. So don't discuss it as if it is real.
>>745953274noticing a drug problem doesn't require human understanding in first place. Any autist can parse "too many junkies"And he build rupture because "normies are stupod leeches" so its out of character to not be warry of the same behaviour in his utopia.
>>745943028Because the ancap paradise had an entire class of servant lolis but all they did was collect not-fent from dead not-fentheads.
Fontaine already summed it up best in the game itself>"SOMEBODY has to clean the toilets."
>>745943369>everyone blaming the addictsThis is probably because everyone hates crackheads.It's not their fault but you still want to stove their head in with a pipe wrench any time they try to snag your copper wires.
>>745948338An army has many generals, colonels, majors, captains, lieutenants, good armed forces has officers outside of that structure who have actual experience that the big officers will listen to because they have better practical knowledgeEven better armed forces will be structured so even if all of those above are unable to command, the lowest lieutenant will be trusted to make decisions on the fly, and even if they are unable to command a lance corporal is expected to lead the lowest privateYou're so fucking dumb it's unreal
>>745953618don't call others dumb if you can't even read reply chains, retard
>>745943271Yes, you're a retard for thinking rich = genius.
>>745953685I don't have to, I replied to what was said in front of me>It's just getting rid of useless managers in government, and only having a core cabal.>An army doesn't need 50 senators to give it commands, just 1.
>>745947095I kinda agree with this guy.
>>745953870>i will ignore added context because it's inconvenient to my emotional knee-jerk reaction retard
>>745953923>nooo you can't just ignore my ad hoc'd attempt to salvage the completely retarded thing I clearly stated in a vacuum You're retarded, your post was retarded, and it is responded to as such because of that
>>745943028It was taken over by socialists. The game is pretty explicit about this.
>>745953796You do know that Jeff graduated from Princeton summa cum laude with a degree in electrical engineering and comp-sci, right? Of course, a degree doesn't necessarily = intelligence, but if these supposedly genius Amazon delivery drivers are just as smart as Jeff, why don't they just start their own Amazon's? The answer is they can't. Not everyone can be a Steve Jobs or Henry Ford which is exactly why hundreds of thousands of businesses go bankrupt each year.
>>745944410Since the other guy won't answer you. They are both immersive sims, however Bioshock is heavily simplified (to its benefit desu, since it sold very well). Prey is much more open and you're free to fuck around with gameplay mechanics much more. Talos 1 is much more interesting than Rapture in my opinion, plus you're free to explore it eventually unlike Rapture. Bioshock has better enemy variety though.
>>745954208>why don't they just start their own Amazon'sSame reason why people don't start their own banks
>>745943028The entire thing was an Ayn Rand hit job.Absolutely justified, but it was never meant to be an unbiased exploration of her ideas, more of a "Look how retarded this foid is"The big daddys and cool plasmid powers were almost tertiary to that concept
>>745943028Overpopulation.
>>745943028Free market, with no regulation and then introducing gene splicing adam with also zero regulation while forgetting you still need people to do wageslave work to maintain rapture. Ryan tricked a bunch of people into thinking they would be kings of commerce only to forget this simply fact and were then stuck in Rapture.Also, wtf I didn't know freezing stuff slowed down the hacking minigame.
>>745954239But you can start your own bank. Do you think Bank of America or Wells Fargo were just always gigantic corporations?
>>745954208jeff was a nobody until he got backers that gave him money. Same with musk and gates. None of them accomplished anything alone. They simply got rich fucks with money bags to fund their rise.
>>745954472you need $500k just for a banking license.And the operational cost to comply with growing list of regulations requires an army of lawyers.All industries work same. It used to be easy in a unregulated market. Then someone gets big and starts crippling newcomers with regulatory hurdles to prevent competition.Success stories like Nvidia are also interesting because they intentionally broke the law and simply delayed court on patent infringement while making their own patents to countersue. The lesson is you have to be a corrupt fuck and start as a gangster. Nobody rises playing fair.
>>745954520This, Musk doesn't even manage his own funds.
>>745943326>create society with all whites>it's a literal paradise>commies anarchist browns rise up and destroy everythingWhat did ken mean by this? There is not even any criticism of the concept of Columbia b in the game it just shows you this perfect society and your supposed to be like " wow this is awful and racist "
>>745943028Too much pressure
>>745952968>One bad harvest or drought means your entire village diesAt no point in human history outside of extraordinary catastrophes was the average person starving. Even prehistoric hunter-gatherers were well-fed. Pol Pot and the irish potato "famine" were systematic genocides.>Every day you wake up at dawn and are forced to do backbreaking labor until sundown for the rest of your lifeMedieval peasants worked fewer hours and had more days off per year than the modern wagie.>Zero social mobilitySame as the modern day. Where you were born statistically determines how you will die.>Everyone is illiterate, most people have probably never even seen a book before Church taught people to read. Peasants knowing how to read is useful for everyone. Nobody was reading harry potter I guess.>Zero concept of medicineOnly medicine unique to modern time is penicilin. Most modern medicines are just herbal remidies but condensed. Hospitals still use leeches to heal burns/necrosis (which actually works btw)>Local daimyo gets angry because a guest sneezed during his half-cousins birthday party so he super rapes your village, murders all the men, and sells all the women and children into slaveryOnly in china
>>745943271The key word in your post is "could" and definitely yes, an average driver could replace Bezoz given enough training and an AI assistant that Bezoz is absolutely using too.Those people are not legends or geniuses, just dudes that happened to be at the right place at the right time. They invented nothing, they just hired and paid the dudes who actually invented stuff, and proceeded to put their company's name on them.
>>745956747they dont even have a good product.the way amazon grew is price below product price to kill competition and then swallow market. They simply won by having rich fucks finance starving the competition. They even got fined for it as its illegal "anti-competitive practices" but they had enough money to pay that too so it didn't matter.
>>745955869>Even prehistoric hunter-gatherers were well-fedDuring the middle ages, the only fat people were kings and other titles of nobility. Now, you can go outside and you have an almost 100% chance of seeing a fat person. Food has become WAY more accessible in modern times than it was centuries ago. >Medieval peasants worked fewer hours and had more days off per year than the modern wagie.Don't believe that, but even if true peasants were doing more physically demanding work like plowing fields all-day in the hot summer sun while wagies get to sit in a nice, air conditioned room as they flip burgers. >Same as the modern day. Where you were born statistically determines how you will die.Unfathomably retarded statement that shows you have no idea what you're talking about. >Church taught people to read. Peasants knowing how to read is useful for everyone. Nobody was reading harry potter I guess.Literacy rates in parts of Europe were below 10% or 20%. >Only medicine unique to modern time is penicilin. Most modern medicines are just herbal remidies but condensed. Hospitals still use leeches to heal burns/necrosis (which actually works btw)Okay, this makes me think you're just trolling. Medieval people had zero concept of germ theory and also believed in stupid shit like bloodletting. Would you rather a medieval plague doctor operate on you or a modern surgeon? >Only in chinaOkay, look at Europe then. King declares war over a dumb border dispute and razes your village to the ground or the bubonic plague wipes your village off the map.
>>745957175modern fatties are fat because the food is shit. Every country that got american food got immediately worse in dentist health and amount of fatties.And the fatties are starving because the modern slop is just calories without nutritional value like micro-nutrients and minerals. Their hunger is legitimate but they dont understand that what they eat wont help them.
>>7459438785 year olds don't need heroin? What a lie.
>>745943271People replying to this see it as Bezos not being that good. It makes me sad that they're not saying instead that the Amazon driver could be that good if he was white.
>>745944294You are a fucking idiot and you are contributing to a problem. Everywhere in the US looks like an overcast with all of these stupid gray houses. I bet it's contributing to the growing depression epidemic too, psychologically making everyone feel like it's a never ending rainy day.
>>745957374I just proved people have better access to food now and you've changed the argument to>W-Well, it doesn't count as REEEEAL food because it's all processed!
>>745950687It would be if they got that far. The downfall of all libertarians is that they can't physically help themselves from loudly advocating for child sexual abuse. Normal people tend not to like that kind of thing.
>>745957673We went from good food that has some supply issues to a lot of trash food that is making people sick. How can you call that an improvement?
>>745946989yeah if you're a planetary governorthen again your local rep probably works from home, has pornhub and orders delivery so he might as well be
>>745944207went whole-hog on "consolized system shock but the combat was more fun" and made the combat REALLY fun
>>745943028Because Elizabeth helped Fontaine and his guys out of prison because she was a retard.
>>745943028>Why did a society built to allow power to accumulate in one person fall apart when one person accumulated all the powerRandian philosophy is retarded because in a might makes right world, the people who wind up with all the power will naturally be the most underhanded and morally bankrupt, and you're then entrusting people with no ethics to speak of to determine how everyone else lives their lives
>create highly addictive drug that gives you superpowers but alters your dna and brain in the process that turns you madgee i wonder
>>745943210They do that so different businesses can be easily moved in-and-out. It's depressing. There's a taco place in my town with the same iconic red roof from when the building was an old school Pizza Hut, they just painted it orange.
>>745956975This, it's the same for the likes of Musk, Gates and Jobs, they mostly were just most vocal and richer than others so history remembered them instead of the hundreds of talented/gifted engineers working under their company logo.
>>745958309That's not what objectivism is you bootlicking retardIts the left that thinks might is right which is why they all support big government
>>745957175>le ebin "everything is better now because you have no agency and almost all the naturally accessible veins of value are tapped"If you woke up in a glass cell tomorrow, you'd thank your captor for the extra cable channel with ads that allow you to input your data directly."You used to encounter organic handcrafted ads for things you had no interest in, now you only see ads that are relevant and have been shown to increase excitement in focus groups among your demographic! Why aren't you grateful?"
>>745958405Actually they're known for what their companies created
>>745943271>Do you think the average Amazon delivery driver could do what Jeff Bezos does?Yes? It's not that complicated or hard.
>>745943271I bet I could blow his shit smooth the fuck off
>>745944462>marxism brought to the world such wondering functioning societies like... uh... USSR>All of East Europe>China>Vietnam>Cuba >Mongolia>Basically all of post World War 2 western society.
>>745958626>>745958691So you're a jewish leftist who supports the elite
>>745958452As much as life sucks, you have to realize that you are living far better than any of your ancestors besides maybe boomers and that's an immutable fact that only a jig dancing nigger would try to dispute. You have limitless access to things people from centuries ago could only dream of.
>>745948439>Shouldn't we be more supportive of smaller, struggling businesses?Small business tyrants are still tyrants.
>>745943195Andrew didn't claim to be. He was the best, most consistent advocate that market economies ever had and he still failed because the inevitable toxicity of government power and big vision planning are not compatible elements with true laissez-faire liberalism. In other words, Ryan couldn't both be the architect of a new society and the champion of objectivism. It's the central refutation of the John Galt archetype that the setting is 50% about.
>>745958764Immigration alone makes this untrue. Your ancestors didn't need to compete with millions of ESLs while their own elite made laws to hold them back
>>745958309What? That's got nothing to do with might makes right unless you aggressively redefine might until what it actually means is specifically the kind of might that's being socially constructed by currency. Underhanded and morally bankrupt people are unlikely to survive a strong leader, who is liable to be on the lookout for challengers to his rule. Underhanded and morally bankrupt people thrive under other underhanded and morally bankrupt people, with whom they can align their motivations, and rarely - if ever - does this take the form of consciously doing bad together. It takes the form of collectivist calls to action, finding the socially congruent, apparent commonalities you share with others in order to achieve goals that - in aggregate from a removed viewpoint - are selfish and destructive. This is one of the few points that Rand has broadly correct about recent human history. She falls apart in how to mete out force when necessary, if not through the state, and what qualifies independent action in an already-developed game state with modern supply chains. In general her weakness comes from a lack of normative/actionable insights, and a reliance on specific unstated priors about objectivity/analyticity. She gets treated like an intellectual punching bag for reasons that most people here would probably disagree with, it's kind of silly reading some of these posts actually, knowing they come from someone who will probably be complaining about Jews in academia or some similar thing tomorrow.
>>745954997I believe people overthink all of that. It's really similar to Metropolis, where the higher class live luxurious decadent lives on the upper levels, and it's only possible thanks to the lower classes toiling in terrible conditions in the lower levels, along with a generous side heaping of "absolute power corrupts absolutely." To the latter point though, Levine did kind of pussy out in the Burial at Sea DLC when it was revealed that the black chick becoming a ranting would-be child-butchering psychopath the moment she got a sniff of power was all an act in accordance with some scheme of the Lutece's.
>>745958691>All of East Europeall corrupt shitholes seeing brighter days after '91>Chinaliterally italian fascism national corporativism rebranded as communism>Vietnama shithole which is healing because of capital injection for cheap labor>Cuba aahahahahahahah>Mongoliano clue what's going on there but I'm sure it's not nice
Frank Fontaine undermined everything about Rapture and Ryan had to let him or expose himself as a hypocrite.
>>745958874Listen, if you hate browns so much just go Ted Kaczynski max and live out in the woods as a technophobe hermit. Literally nothing is stopping you from doing this.
>>745958764the question is if the toys we have are more fulfilling than building your own house,boat,land etc. and having a family. Most people today will entertain themself and exit into a grave with nothing to show for. I think there will be more regrets than any people living before.
>>745958887So you're a jewish bootlicker who worships the elite because white men are better than you?Thats kind of cringe
>>745958878>Underhanded and morally bankrupt people are unlikely to survive a strong leader, who is liable to be on the lookout for challengers to his ruleThis is a ridiculous notion because it assumes that everybody wants to be king. 99,9% of rich people in dictatorships get along just fine with the dictator because at the end of the day they don't want to be a dictator, they just want to be rich and rape women. If the dictator allows that, they don't have a issue with that.
>>745950236WE CARRY THE FLAME
>>745958981Why don't those browns go make their own country, and why did you argument fall apart the minute I mentioned immigration?
>>745943028Because building a city underwater is stupid and libertarians are stupid >OMG I HABE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT ABUSE WORKERS>IM GOING TO FUCK OFF INTO A MOUNTAIN/THE OCEAN AND CREATE MY IDEAL UTOPIA WHERE I CAN ABUSE LABOR I AM SMART
>>745958874>Your ancestors didn't need to compete with millions of ESLs while their own elite made laws to hold them backMy ancestor needed to compete with most of humanity lest they be exterminated by other countries or kingdoms.
>>745959057This is why most leftists have no issue with stalin
>>745958764Opportunity is not the same as virtue. All goals exist in reference to the function of the system they're embedded in. The human system does not have "the greatest number of options" as an explicit goal, or as anything other than a remote extension of "health, wellness, and positive affect." It would be a fool's errand to argue that no progress has been made in any of these fields, but I doubt the picture is so clear in aggregate. It doesn't take much creativity to imagine all the ways in which a global geopolitical education could be detrimental to the well-being of a career painter, or how easily access to ketamine thanks to international shipping technologies could ruin the life of an addiction-prone individual who otherwise would have been fine laboring alongside local community members. Just the idea of having the necessary vantage to measure your competence against a global marketplace is pretty obviously not a great step forward, in the foreseeable term, for the average human being.In terms of intersubjective units of happiness, I doubt
>>745959116So your ancestors had better lives because they were racist and worked together for their own people
>>745943028Adam, literally nothing else
>>745958946I wouldn't say Fontaine ruined anything; he simply practiced what Ryan championed. The foundation was ruin and the it just took one clever man with a knack for getting the goods that Ryan refused to trade in and an understanding of class friction to ruin Ryan's entire plan.
>>745958923Communism physically can be done because it goes against culture and human nature. No matter how hard it tries to supercede culture, culture always comes through, and no matter how much you try to change people their nature always comes through. "true" communism lasts until the second someone gets any form of power, same as the ancap capitalism in bioshock. It's why we should really stop pretending that ideals from the industrial era Europe can still work well after the industrial era of Europe
>>745943878>It's a libertarian society>>745943907>Because it's the inevitable consequences of ancapRandroids are neither. Rand was functionally nothing more than a technocrat for businessmen rather than scientists. Rapture failed because it was built on an incomplete philosophy.But also building underwater sucks.
>>745959346>Communism physically can be done because it goes against culture and human naturecan? I think there's a mistake because otherwise the rest doesn't even make sense
>>745959057 You missed the point entirely.Modern dictatorships are also not "rule of the strong" and are more than anything just a late-stage, low-complexity representation of the inevitable result of unfettered military-industrial cooperation toward market incentives. The individualistic ideology underpinning "might makes right" hasn't been possible at scale since the invention of the firearm and won't ever be again. The hellscape you live in is the product of socialized behaviors and how they express the Jungian shadow, such that manipulative, (clinically) uninsightful, and low-neuroticism people win the day, sorry to inform you.
>>745959463Yeah sorry I meant "can't" . Fucking autocorrect
>>745943271Jeff Bezos could die and Amazon would be fine.
>>745947095All correct.
>>745947095>me on every panel>gigachad.webp
>>745959057>they just want to be rich and rape women.uhm, based? who wouldn't want that?
The biggest failure ideologically with recapture is geography. He picked the absolute worst place, in the fucking ocean, for his ideals. He could've easily purchased a large enough island (since this is fantasy late 18-1900's) and won there
>>745958923>all corrupt shitholes seeing brighter days after '91They were corrupt shitholes before communism and are in many cases more corrupt now. >literally italian fascism national corporativism rebranded as communismIt's not. If it was Italian fascism it would have collapsed already. >a shithole which is healing because of capital injection for cheap laborIt was a shithole before communism. The point is that communism improved it.>CubaI'm sorry but child prostitution is bad, anon. >MongoliaIt's better under communism than it was before.
>>745943028like communism, on paper it seems like a nice idea, in practice? eh......even in an monogamous ethnostate it still doesn't work
>>745959623because bezos build an infrastructure that can out live him, assuming your claim is right. not somebody else, him.
>>745959540I mostly agree with all of that. But, frankly, I do think might makes right still largely applies because at it's core it's not a ideology but a simple fact of life.>If you can get away with it, you can get away with it. Law only applies insofar to the degree that people can hold you responsible for it.
>>745943028The in universe reason from both the first and second game is that Ryan put all his eggs into one basket, specifically (and I had to check this because I missed this when I played the games) barred any kind of interaction with the surface including trading or general information in conjunction with not understanding the human condition in that people will eventually want to leave the echo chamber.Ryan wanted people in his city to make it a real city, he didn't expect the majority of this people to be POOR. Remember the Lawyer from Jurassic Park who thought that the park should only cater to the Super Rich and when Hammond (RIP) insisted that everyone should be able to afford a visit and see the attractions and the lawyer blew it off? Same idea. In fact all of the Book and Movie version of Jurassic Park is also a direct 1-1 for why the system failed, it was built on Flawed ideals.Ryan had to resort to using pheromones to stop the population from eating three the walls of office. His last Uadiolog in the first game has him fully admit he was wrong and the whole thing didn't work...only for him to then double down because the reality of him being a failure again for like 5th time was too much for him. Rapture could have been saved, If he saw Frank as a business opportunity and stopped treating the city as his personal think tank, maybe the great chain wouldn't have snapped his link. Notice how rapture, Crumbling and decaying underwater seems to prosper without him in BioShock 2, that's not something Lamb can take full credit for. The splicers are worse but the city itself is still there, actively being repaired by its diminished forces but Ryan thought without him it would all die. TL:DR Ryan had his head up his ass and was a tyrant.
>>745960173Monogamous ethnostates are doomed to failure so obviously it would fail there.
>>745960065>i dont believe in race>i want a race exterminatedlmao shizo
>>745946989>When you can't be fucked to make an interesting building in Spore
>>745960110Its symbolic. Because people kept telling Ryan that his ideals were 'impossible' so his 'response', in the most insane, aggrandizing way possible, was to literally build an 'impossible' city. There's nothing impossible about buying an island.
>>745960173To be fair by the time communism even was thought by a chinamen the entire ideal died and became a party dictatorship.
>>745960290>A raceWhite is not a race. It's a state of mind and a memetic concept. I want that exterminated, and anybody who tries to push it dead.
>>745944278>zapped into Andrew Ryan's body right at the start of the game's eventsit'd already be too late to fix anything, I'd take my gold and silver and leave and go back to the surface but not before using the nukes to destroy the city destroy the evil discoveries, adam, plasmids, etc, leaving no evidence of the city
>>745960384>REEEE I WANT IT EXTERMINATEDAnd that's why you fail you brown retard. Genghis khan's era is long dead, there can be no exterminations of anyone in an age of free information.
/vpol/
>>745960463>Why you failBirth rates disagree.
>>745959113You lost tranny
>>745944278>start at games eventsDeclare everyone retarded and leave with gold, then go to governments and say that communists/fascists/The French live there to have it be destroyed
>>745960384Brownclown go scrub a toilet
>>745960494Everyone's birth rates are down kike, except you need white people, white people don't need you
>>745943028rare deepwater jews
>>745960494>B-BIRTH RATESlitterally collapse after the first generation. Everywhere is collapsing entirely, and Africa is already collapsing due to lack of interest in keeping it afloat. The muh replacement died in the crib because it costs too much to keep going and because brown people themselevs seperate each other between who is the most white amongst them, example being South America and even jeets in india
>>745960065Rabbi having a meltdown because he will never be white lol
>>745951875>Ken Levine outright said it's not a critique of capitalism or even Ayn Rand.Death of the author. Ken Levine can say whatever retarded shit he wants. The Atlas Shrugged imagery, symbolism, and references make Bioshock his refutation of retarded Randian objectivism and it can't be seen any other way.
>>745943271The better question would be “could Jeff Bezos do what he does without the delivery drivers?”, and for the sake of the hypothetical we should probably ignore the last 25 year run up that has given Amazon the capital necessary to deploy robo delivery drones>>745943326Infinite was unironically “wypipo bad” for the first third of the game and it had nothing deeper to say than that
>>745960208Yeah, I understand. It's one of those nearly tautological statements that can trip you up very easily. i.e., if you tinker enough with the definition of might, it will be true. The more revealing question then is, what does "might" mean in the context of the system? Man, people really don't like to think too much around that one. Most people aren't comfortable when confronted directly with how often their behavior translates into "punching down" once you do the work of setting a consistent definition for strength under the current paradigm, or how consistent it is with X or Y separate motivation they purport not to possess, for that matter.
>>745943028BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER-FUCKING-WATER!
>>745960149>They were corrupt shitholes before communism and are in many cases more corrupt now.specifically due their ultracorrupt past in the USSR>It's not. If it was Italian fascism it would have collapsed already.isn't china collapsing any day by now? like two weeks or something? the core idea of fascism was the private capital subservient to the national absolute power of the state, which is more or less what chinese system is>It was a shithole before communism. The point is that communism improved it.no the injection of capitals improved it, communism just exploited its own people making balls and textile crap for a starving salary>I'm sorry but child prostitution is bad, anon. yea, but it will eventually occur under communism when you need to feed youself. but look at the bright sight of cuba: they killed a lot of homos and they sent all the willing skilled people to US making them thrive under capitalism, one of their sons is secretary of state>It's better under communism than it was before.before you mean before the industrial revolution comparing the rural asia of endless steppes of nothingness with the world of today? woah no shit
>>745960384So will you kill your relatives for acting white then? Western culture is getting forcibly exported everywhere.
>>745960494Right wing American whites are the only people on the planet to maintain sustainable birth rates. No one else has been able to do the same, even Africa has been plummeting just the same as the rest.
>>745960780Bioshock infinite has aged terribly because it is nowhere near as profound as the original bioshock and also time travel retardation. The message of "oppressed will just end up oppressing themselevs" is far too universal to mean anything and would be like making a movie about how an apple tastes like an apple.
>>745960905>bright sightbright side*
Anyone read the tie in prequel novelisation for the game that came out a bit after the first and second game and was only "overseen" by Levine but written by someone else.Pretty good IMO and fleshes out some of the uprising characters and Ryan.Miss when we got shit like this for games instead of just fucking fortnite skins or whatever as a way for devs to make a side hustle Think you can also listen to this as an audiobook if you're dyslexic or lazy
>>745959086>>745959182Is this an Impractical Jokers bit? How hard is it to understand that life back in the middle ages was far worse than it is now by every conceivable metric?It's not even like this is up for debate, you can literally just Google basic facts about things like infant mortality rates and life expectancy now vs then and come to this conclusion easily.
>>745953539Should be legal tbdesu I fucking hate drug addicts. Heck I hate most people when they’re drunk.I don’t even hate addicts just because of their (self) destructive behaviors but also because they generate the big debate in cities about what to do with them. One million millennial women defending them like:>they’re just poor wittle addicts! you would be just like them if you were poor!!uhh yeah no I wouldn’t bitch
>>745943028they turned their back on Jesus, simple as.
Something that always came off as weird is why Fontaine would even want total control of Rapture at the time of the game. Is Rapture functional whatsoever by the start of Bioshock? From what the game shows the entire city is a dead husk, the party is well and truly over. There is absolutely nothing that points to it being worth ruling, a still functioning holdout of civilians and industry isn't even implied. The only justification I can see is Fontaine being purely driven by spite. I guess he couldn't necessarily pack up his money and undersea devil science and bring it to the surface to live like a god. He comes off like a prick bastard but not really twisted to the point where he's lost all grip on reality like thinking Rapture is still something worth owning. I don't know, I just think a pragmatic turbo-capitalist industrialist would do something different given the situation, it comes off purely as an excuse to have a Shodan twist moment.
>>745961112Google rent prices, food prices, taxation, crime and every other metric. Even the IQ is going down because of open bordersFace the facts, in some ways modern life is worse
>>745961015nta but yeah the cycles of violence message in infinite would have been much more welcome if it were some Final Fantasy-tier perennial series with a dozen entries each as hyper-focused on some ideology's failings as the first onemaking two games about collectivism in the same setting and then randomly launching your version of Avengers: Doomsday was some real ivory tower type retardation
>>745961184Delusions of "THERE IS GOING TO BE A FEW CHANGES AROUND HERE" when he wins. Everyone in rapture lost their minds a whiles before the game started, as evidenced by the gangland civil war
>>745961128they called it rapture, clearly they had jesus in mind
>>745943028Underwater jews
>>745961112It's okay, someday you'll understand why they took grandma off life support.
>>745961184>Something that always came off as weird is why Fontaine would even want total control of Rapture at the time of the game. His goal was to turn Rapture into an Adam factory and then export it to the surface so he could make Scrooge McDuck levels of money.
>>745961126>separates alcoholics from drug addictsyour specific brand of autist always just has some annoying cousin or something and you've developed a blanket hate for "addicts" so bad that you're the one actively making an issue even when dealing with a cokehead
>>745961397I'm not sure >Hello esteemed gentlemen of the board, I have for you today a scientific breakthrough! Behold! Heroin that lets you shoot bees out of your hands!would go too well in a regulated society.
>>745960646we dont need your stupid goyim asses
libertarians believe that once government stops existing, greed will suddenly vanish and absolutely no systems to abuse will form they are as delusional as your average tabula rasa zealot
>>745961341if you want you can go to any site (including this one) to see further examples of people fighting over shit that hasn't been culturally relevant or impacted individual outcomes in ages
>>745961004You are being out populated and your genocide is a question of time. >>745960943Define western culture. Christanity, mass wars, and race? White. Lgbtq, gender ideology, atheism, and equality. Not white.
>>745961458because alcoholism is normalized and functional alcoholics are common. You dont get functional crackheads. There are some stories about microdosing coke to improve performance at work but thats it. All the other hard drugs are incompatible with holding a job.
>>745950914>I think the biggest problem by far is that we abandoned our workersRetard who thinks workers were cared for in pre-capitalist economic systems
>>745961561Then you are a naive child or someone whose connection to the real world has been severed by your internet-poisoned isolation. Do you genuinely think "regulated society" wouldn't just change the rules to allow bee heroin if the elites knew it would bring them shitloads of power and money?
>>745961669 Lgbtq, gender ideology, atheism, and equality is white. Only western culture cares about this shit. Any asian / african openly hates you dysgenic fucks and i safely assume you are part of it because you defend it.
>>745960646I need your corpse in a mass grave.>>745960723Africa is doing better now than it has in decades, lol. Your time is done, your civilization is finished, and your people are fated to die out.
>>745961561Kek.>>745961686>All the other hard drugs are incompatible with holding a job80s Wall Street would disagree with you.
Remember a time when ragebait actually had effort put into it?2016 was a mistake.
>>745947095>terrified>THANK GALTbased and John Galt pilled.
>>745961686Yeah, like I said, you're just some shut-in retard from a flyover state. I used to know a lot of guys like you that I was stuck with for 18 hard years. Pick a software you used today. Psilocybin was used in its development. There are ketamine therapies in almost every major city. Ayahuasca has been repeatedly shown to increase the likelihood of remission for addiction and there's some promising evidence for PDs as well. Unadulterated MDMA (ecstacy) taken in moderation about once monthly seems to have a net positive impact on long-term recall.The most productive celebrity by hours of content produced is possibly also the nation's most prolific marijuana user after Snoop. Stop living in your feelings or whatever trap shit your cousin said to you. You're no better than a woman who goes to a Magic The Gathering tournament and concludes that anyone who plays video games is beyond hope.
>>74596184980s wall street was just professional gambling in nicer suits.
>>745961772At some point a line needs to be drawn and it might just be naivety talking but I think bee lobbing junkies running around every major city would be a bridge too far for even the greediest politicians.
>>745961849well those are the guys doing coke arent they? Im not aware of anyone doing crack or fent at wallstreet.
>>745961347the rapture is an eschatological concept when christians will go in eternal piece in heavens, which is a very promising name for an utopian city pretty much isolated from the rest of the world
>>745961931>drug supporter>reddit spacer>contempt for anything not on the cancerous coastsYep, that's some excellent bait. You imitated the personality quirks of a retarded tourist perfectly.
>>745961931Calm down man, Pot is supposed to calm you down, not sperg out.
rich people not understanding how the world really works and that theyre the biggest parasites in general unless they create great things, which they usually dont because they see everyone but themselves as the parasite despite living on what those below them give them
>>745961967Yeah, if plasmids existed IRL they'd just be banned outright. Fontaine would probably just sell the stuff on the black market though like he was doing in Rapture though so it wouldn't really matter.
>>745961184>>745961341>>745961397In the harvest ending you're so fuck-off powerful jacked with Adam that you strong-arm the splicers into serving you. It's not hard to believe that he could forge his own global superpower.
>>745961792>is whiteNope. It exists in opposition of whiteness. Traditional western values like pedophilia, mass murder, and destroying civilizations are white.
>>745961931Psilocybin & Ayahuasca is not common drug at all. Going by exceptions in a discussion about the average case is just inability to comprehend a discussion.you basically advocating for the lottery cause some guy won.
>>745961792>Lgbtq, gender ideology, atheism, and equality is whitenot him but I think he's pointing out that all these crap is jewish (allegedly in my opinion)
>>745962059>no argument>reddit spacing (a literal 2012 tourist meme)>defending the culturally irrelvant mouths in the rust belt despite apparently disliking useless peoplei deserved this
>>745948648>heh, I'll just stop paying people with the capability of violence and ending mek, keep me posted.
>>745962135You can order psilocbyin online and grow it indoors, in literal human shit. Even ignoring that you cherry-picked to call me a cherry-picker, you're not even right about what you picked.
>>745947813Weird cause I know a full on lolbert that was extremely provax and made his entire family take it while sperging out hard at anybody who didn't for stepping on his freedom. The vax killed his wife, made him sterile and permanently weak, and his only child no longer has a functioning immune system so he's essentially marked for death. His case is a constant reminder for me of what the satanic jewish government did to it's people, as well as a reminder to never take a lolbert seriously or else they'll kill themselves lmao.
Now the rabbi has been noticed he resorts to his usual cuck spam
I just wish there were more games like this where you get fully immersed in exploring and moving through a fascinating setting. Even Infinite for all its many flaws is such a unique experience when you play it for the first time. The AAA industry would never again make such a game, and indies seem too underpowered to pull it off.
>>745962352>while sperging out hard at anybody who didn't for stepping on his freedomhe was right, ironically. but you're too low IQ to understand that.
>>745961772>o allow bee heroin if the elites knew it would bring them shitloads of power and moneywhat if society is strictly regulated by a religious ethic, preventing rich people from doing heinous acts as far as possible, punishing them because an unearthly being is the ultimate moral authority over everyone, and preventing poor people to self-destruct in an desperate attempt of numbing the pain of a meaningless existence?just a hypothetical, don't jump on my throat with a lightsaber due a fedora reddit moment please
>>745962247how hard is it to understand that drug discussions are about most common cases with is crack,fent,.. and nt t your fringe stuff? The common dealer doesn't even know what psilocybin is. Ive tested it asking for it on the street and they even had call contacts without anyone knowing what i was talking about.
>>745948648My favorite bit in 2026 is paying taxes to doctors so they can receive ludicrous salaries to play hot potato with anyone I've ever talked to about having any kind of non-terminal health issue treated, discharge my family members who are quite literally physically incapable of caring for themselves, and consistently treat me like a criminal whenever I go in despite being an employed college graduate, all because someone wrote a note in my file once when I hurt their feefees. At least I can go to the competing hosp... oh, well, uh... at least I can opt out of records sharin... oh, uh.... well, it's not like they all run the same data system so I'll just move an... what? Well at least no one has ever improperly accessed that data... Yeah, nevermind.Heard somewhere recently that doctors don't do house calls anymore because they wouldn't make it back. Inclined to agree. And if you think this blog was bad, talk to someone who actually lives in Detroit about the police and see how they feel.
>>745961931>jew>cuck>hates white people>thinks drugs makes him coolIs the spammer Seth Rogan?
>>745962518>leftist discourse is them pretending not to understand things etc.That guy is a retard. Ignore him.
>>745962518duh? people need drugs for their chronic pain and to forget shit, not for gay mental masturbation reasons.
>>745962497Yeah, I don't know, I don't think someone would specifically need to be of a religious persuasion to think bee crackheads weren't a good idea.
>>745962518bro if your dealer doesn't know what shrooms are you're straight up living in gary indiana and there's nothing anyone can do for you at that point
>>745961669Whites have the only population that will continue to increase indefinitely. Everyone else is temporary.
>>745951875>Ken Levine outright said it's not a critique of capitalism or even Ayn Rand.>One of the main characters' name closely resembles Ayn Rand>Another one is named Atlas>The story is about a man seething because "muh governments steal me money!!!">Creates le perfect society for smart kids only
>>745962603even if he is all those meme arrows, he's 100% right.
>>745962603>spammerGlowing.
>>745961686>functional alcoholicsfunctional opioid addicts are common too. what is your point?
>>745962716Nothing you said is right, and you are all those things
>>745943028It was a society created by a belarussian jew oligarch, what the fuck do you think?
>>745962597>Heard somewhere recently that doctors don't do house calls anymore because they wouldn't make it back.Perks of a low-trust society! Insurance jews are also an enormous problem. The reason doctorniggers overcharge on everything is because they know everyone has insurance, and if they don't, the government will pay for emergency shit.
>>745962518I literally mention shrooms and marijuana in the post and you're mad because those are fringe compared to crack and fent? Not sure if you're stupid or if you just live in Chicago.
>>745962776you're literally a fucking child, lol, lmao. maybe deal in the real world for a bit kiddo, you'll learn something about the illicit drug trade and its users.
jews unironically
>>745962665are you roleplaying? psylo isnt just schrooms its a specific species from south america.>>745962604honestly just wasting time here while i wait for pc to finish. Burning weekend on reinstall fml
>>745962484Basically, I'm not gonna take it is allhahahahaha!
>>745962649>I don't think someone would specifically need to be of a religious persuasion to think bee crackheads weren't a good idea.isn't be a junkie a natural response to a meaninglessness life when you remove an higher purpose?quoting a famous homosexual>but, what ends when the symbols shatter?>and, who knows what happens to hearts?
>>745962776that wasn't me, believe it or not multiple people post here and now two separate ones think you're not only stupid, but not even trying to post any actual content, which makes you boring toobe one or the other
>>745962835nobody is talking about anything other than psilocybin (nobody calls it psylo, larper) when they're talking about shrooms, unless they specify as much in advance or are some shitty dispensary selling "legal shrooms"fuck off, izzat farmer
>>745962859eventually the rules and the statism mechanisms will catch up and you'll be force vaxxed or culled, that or society will collapse, one or the other.
>>745951875>are all about how men cannot build perfect societies.The society of the first world in Infinite is literally perfect doughbeit. It's clean and orderly with little crime. It only all goes to shit once you hop into another world in which you've armed all the niggers and chinks. Hmmmm I beginning to nooootice
>>745963006i simply didnt want to type it out and you got butthurt over it. -izaat for you lmao
>>745952206>LOLLOL is not a refutation. Concession accepted.
>>745943028They named it Rapture for one
>>745943271The elite class of Rapture are the "disponsable working class".In Bioshock, inside of the Big Daddy suit there are the richest men of the world inside
>>745963225there are plenty of ways to abbreviate the word without being a retard about it. you know what you are.
>>745962916You're samefagging again and still have no real argument rabbi
>>745962819This fat, old jew acting tough lel
>>745962497Read up western history between about 500Ad to 1850Ad to understand why this wouldn't work.>>745962497
>>745952323Wrong.Western euope is COMMUNIST, at least that's what market radicals tell me and they must be right, seeing as they shill for the best ideology there is, so why is it then that thousands of people try to migrate there every year?What's more, the countries of africa and the middle east usually are more pro-market than the SOCIALIST STATES OF EUROPE, so not only are the refugees migrating towards leftist countries, they explicitly run away from good capitalist countries as well. Either that or the market radical logic has a flaw somewhere. Really gets your noggin joggin'.
>>745963468>blogging your headcanon about the people behind the poststime for a break
>>745963009>grrr take the vax goyim>No>grrrrr if you don't then you'll die in a cold winter>No>grrrrrrrrr well your neighbors are getting cranky for you not taking it>No>gggggrrrrrrrrrrrerrmm uhh w-well one day we'll g-get you ya know!>No>GRRRRR SOCIETY IS COLLAPSING AND YOUR KEK NEIGHBORS ARE ALL DEAD THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT FOR DOING NOTHING!!!!!>YesTurns out "Do nothing; win" is a very effective strategy for more than dealing with shit video games.
>>745963349Post too high IQ for /v/
>>745943028Rand was too ideologically pure and by the time he broke the purity he should have broken earlier it was too late
>>745963604>still no argumentCry more rabbi
>>745963678most of the mandatory shit has not scaled at all with population, and was only ever originally designed and scaled from a poor enforcement-by-fear lottery mechanism anyway. i know about a dozen people i'd guess have never even considered paying taxes. can't really blame them, knowing their situation. i think people have mostly caught on by now, the apex being TSR's peak, but there are still some ways that it pops up surprisingly, esp. under the pendulum of politics.like with the vax enforcement falling apart, or the PPP fraud going completely unpunished, same with covid unemployment fraud, and recently (also topically, lol) it seems like people are picking up on the farm bill exposing drug enforcement loopholes in general. i've seen a good number of dispensaries in a state where weed isn't legal.
>>745963578the migration is build on lies. They tell you western europe is a paradise and once you arrive you lack the financial means to escape. And people do go back too. Its just taking effort because you have to work and buildup finances again to have money to leave which is hard when you get taxraped.
>>745963775you haven't posted an argument even once in this topic, your position is literally just "you're a jew and drugs are bad" and that's all you've bothered to develop. why would i, or anyone, bother with you?you're not lonely because you're intimidating or whatever. it's just that you're boring. there's only so many ways i could say this or be called a jew before i just start ignoring you.
>>745952323Communists also did it to keep people out.
>>745964092You didn't make any arguments though rabbi, you just had a meltdown when I compared you to Seth Rogan, another fat jewish retard
>>745961458Being drunk doesn't make someone an alcoholic.
>>745964106No they didn't they did it to keep people in
>>745963753I mean he kind of broke purity in designing the protagonist long before Fontaine appropriated him. Seeing things in advance of that would've been difficult, I think he was being pretty proactive as it was.What's strange about the whole thing to me is that the natural world already provided the circumstances for tabula rasa in the first place, and the objective systems that exist without anthropological appropriation have the maximum explanatory and existential power possible as far as we know. You obey them or you cease to exist.What does putting it all back underwater and adding a bunch of cultural constraints do? I don't know that I ever saw Rand justify her movement away from the natural position in favor of culturally modeled ethics, except by way of reference to "barbarism" and other sleights of hand. It seems like her movement only had any value even in theory under the assumption that nature would enforce individual socially derived rights, or more naively, that every human born has even the capacity to respect them of their own volition.
>>745964402i'm shaking and crying rn
I remember when the idea of Jews being responsible for the degradation of society was just a niche conspiracy theory but now it's evolved to the point where even buy it.
>>745964727Meant to say>It's evolved to the point where even normies buy it
>>745964676You jews are always seething lel
>>745964010>the migration is build on lies.What lie? In africa, they're certain to starve or be killed in a civil war. Moving to Europe, they have a substantial chance of perishing, but once arrived, they won't starve or get killed in civil wars.Migration is always built on hope that things are better in their destination compared to their origin, otherwise people wouldn't make the journey, especially on as perilous as that one. Most people have a sense of home that makes them reluctant to leave it save for extreme circumstances.>And people do go back too.How many african migrants migrate back voluntarily. I thought border security and deportations need to be intensified exactly because they won't? I'm confused.>Its just taking effort because you have to work and buildup finances again to have money to leave which is hard when you get taxraped.But the EUSSR pampers all of them migrants because that's what they do in a LEFTIST DYSTOPIA, so they should have all the money in the world and now they don't? Odd.>>745964484>No they didn't they did it to keep people inNo, they do it to keep people out, e.g.: COMMUNIST EUROPE
>>745964727Communist propaganda is that powerful. After the Jews they're coming for you next.
>>745963554>1850Adlmao wrong date faganyway it worked for ~7100 yearspersonally if I have to pick a moment when it went down a spiral is when martin luther did the german sperg, which gave a free-for-all to everybody getting worse with time.>b-but wars and violence and greedyeah it's a fallen world and the human is very flawed. I'm a non believer personally but it does makes sense to me. for sure it's preferable to jankies in daylight streets and the existential dread induced by a totally meaningless existence>b-but that's a liemaybe, but it's also a lie that a man can become women and gender is different then biological sex but here we are. we can't escape lies apparently. to be honest I'd prefer a lie that tries to keep the crappy nature of mankind at bay by shaming it with a moral framing coming from some supposed superior being, not a random dude on tv opinion
>>745962597>all because someone wrote a note in my file once when I hurt their feefees.What does the note roughly say and how did you hurt their feelings?
>>745964794its saver than a warzone of course but most dont come from a warzone and you have 100 other countries you could go. So its literally just the promise of getting most free shit in europe. But the reality isnt that juicy. They pay shitload of money for you but you aint getting it. One of the scams is realtors build "premium housing" and had governments pay the rent for migrants getting insane rent payments nobody native could pay. This way you could boast "migrants get $4k " but in reality that money wasnt yours. It went to other rich fucks exploiting the situation. You can sit on welfare do nothing and survive but you have little money and cant afford much. Its just a shit live if you want to leech.
>>745962497>what if society is strictly regulated by a religious ethicCreates the catholic church which creates the century of saeculum obscurum or pornocracy in which the church elite hold daily rituals of degeneracy featuring orgies, drugs, booze and rape.
>>745962597>talk to someone who actually lives in Detroit about the police>ask a nigger why they don't like the policeYeah thats real hard to figure out
>>745965242>you have 100 other countries you could go.Why then pick the region with a sea in between and harsh border enforcement? Would you risk your life for just some NEETbux? Even if it allowed for a relatively good life, it would still be gambling everything you have to attain it. It only makes sense if you have nothing left to lose>>745965242>One of the scams is realtors build "premium housing"I'd assume that COMMUNIST states would do something about private enterprises scamming money out of people with their red tape and all. But it seems they are quite friendly towards them.>This way you could boast "migrants get $4k " but in reality that money wasnt yours.So the people complaining that migrants getting a luxury life handed to them are even more stupid since they believe the same lies, except they don't have the excuse, because they could inform themselves of the scam going on?>It went to other rich fucks exploiting the situation.Why are SOCIALIST states propping up rich capitalists? Not a very COMMUNIST thing to do, is it?>You can sit on welfare do nothing and surviveIf that is the alternative to starving or getting bombed, then that's a good deal, regardless of however meager the standard of living turns out to be.
>>745966234There was no harsh border enforcement. The reality is there where hundreds of boats funded by eu ngos shipping you over. The spaniards even nationalized them recently because the guy in charge was losing election and needed more votes.Like i said it was the easiest route to free shit.Thats why everyone did it. The actual competent people found out its a shithole if you want more than just sit on welfare living like a poorfag and bailed again for better places.
>>745966089there are white people in detroit, believe it or not. some pretty famous ones, come to think of it.>>745964969idk that was a big enough blog post already. the tl;dr is that i have a rude demeanor and also called someone out on a hipaa issue on an already bad day for both of us and it spiralled into what should've been an avoidable shouting match for anyone who isn't retarded. the note probably says i'm a danger to staff but they're very coy about it and they don't have to share intra-office nursing notes in your medical record, just a report of the inciting incident. which reads as a hyperbolic summary of what i just told you with aggro male dialed to 11 to the point of parody, (i'm a short, scrawny nerd and was surrounded by staff at a safe distance with my arms by my side lol)
>There was no harsh border enforcement.So everyone who wanted to get to the SOCIALIST STAES OF EUROPE for free shit could do so? So a few million was all who were interested? That's quite low. Also, what of the people who dorwned in the mediterranean or who got caught and put into libyan camps, funded by EUSSR money? Sounds like quite the deterrence or conversely, what would count as border enforcement if that doesn't qualify?>funded by eu ngosNow the impoverished SOCIALIST EU can even fund NGOs and hundres of boats? I thought this system would drain everything of funds? Now they can pay for NGOs, boats, realtor scams and 'free shit' and for so many years, so it must be somewhat sustainable?>The spaniards even nationalized them recently because the guy in charge was losing election and needed more votes.COMMUNISM is anti-democratic. Even if there were to be sham-elections, why not forge the votes instead of going such a complicated way?>The actual competent people found out its a shithole if you want more than just sit on welfare living like a poorfag and bailed again for better places.And they got shot at the border, because in SOCIALIST countries, the successful people get shot at the border if they try to leave. That is what happens, right?
