THEY FIXED EVERYTHING
>>745947415Finally, now thanks to a bagillion giggashits and LLMs shiterpolating frames, we can get back to visual technology from the early 2000s.
>>745947415frame gen is the biggest scam in graphics technology in the last 20 years
>>745947415So dlss4 is bad now? I thought it was the best thing ever and a requirement to play new games at a decent framerate?
>>745947485we just got the technology to render slowly moving fan blades without turning it into a soup
disocclusion memes have improved
>>745947608>just ignore everything but the fans
>>745947608I guess we can bump it up a couple months in that case to late 2004.
I'm sitting on RE: Requiem and Oblivion Remake until DLSS5 releases
>>745947872personally im waiting for dlss9
>>745947917DLSS5 is within the next month or 2.
>>745947415Ok but is ghosting still present? That's like the biggest issue.
>>745947415wow, you can really tell the gameplay improved significantly
>>745948086> as long as you aren't doing anything with movement then your fake frames are clean and not blurry shit but also when do you need more FPS oh right when things are moving frame gen in a nutshell
>>745948086my recent cp2077 playthrough i used DLSS and lossless scaling x2 frame gen lol and it was super input laggy and ghosty but overall more enjoyable cause of a higher framerate (albiet fake frames). shit isn't perfect but definitely easier on the eyes than like 40fps or whatever
>>745948086this is fixed
>>745948254proof?
>>745948243Why would you use lossless scaling when amd's frame gen is available for all cards?
>>745947415I'm tired of dlss of being paywalled behind the new gen of gpu
>>745947415can't see shit
>>745948086use dlaa
>>745947686thanks to 10 jewtillion dorrars we now have 1947 technology
>>745947485>>745947796Are you pretending to be retarded on purpose? Stop that, it's annoying.
>>745948539if i'm touching framegen then i definitely do not have the capacity to run native lmao
>>745948653I dunno anon, but I'm looking at working mirrors and fans in games from 2004.It seems a bit retarded that takes 4+ iterations of an upscalar to achieve now.
>>745948519just buy a 5070ti dudepoverty is not a badge of honor you should wear
>>745948821Please end yourself.
>>745948857you are a retard and deserve to be treated like cattle if you buy computer components without a need in this timeframe that we're in
>>745948875>we can't just do what we did in 2004 because you're retardedI'm sorry for single-handedly holding the industry back with my IQ void that's been rapidly sapping developers of their ability to do their jobs right.
>>745947686This was absurd in Alan Wake 2, made it literally unplayable with path tracing unless I went back to CNN.
>>745948920anon... why u poor?
>>745948857>just buy a 5070ti dudeMy only upgrade is the 5090, I mostly use my gpu for ai slop
>>745948510Are you a stupid nigger?Didn’t realize old amd cards get the latest frame gen updates, thanks.
>>745949112but he replied to a guy who said he used dlss adn lossless scaling x2you can't use dlss on amd gpus
>>745949037>I mostly use my gpu for ai slop>not just chaining multiple 7900XTXs for a more price efficient VRAM pool sizeThink laterally, not vertically.
>>745949025I bought a whole new PC last year because the old alienware laptop I was using from 2014 died, my point still stands and you ignored it.
>>745947485post 1 (one) early 2000s game with similar reflections
>>745948821OK: explain how the reflections works in the games from the 2000'sif you can't, then you’re a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about. If you can, then you defeat your own argument, because it will reveal how the same trick doesn't fucking work any more due to more detailed models
>>745947415now some ghosting comparison inside the reflectionsmystery niggas
>>745948243Just turn the quality down and disable dlssMuch easier on the eyes than ghosting and 180ms input latency or whatever
>>745949319>if you can't, then you’re a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about. If you can, then you defeat your own argument, because it will reveal how the same trick doesn't fucking work any more due to more detailed modelsCorrection, it DOES still work because you absolutely can still mirror environments with higher detail models and not lose exponential performance because you no longer need real time lighting and thus a massive weight is lifted from the available performance budget.You can even use less detailed models and reduce the resolution of the image within the mirror and obscure this with scratches and blur to recreate the effects of a more diffuse surface for even less performance cost.The best part is you then don't have to downscale the rendering output, and interpolate it back into a higher res to compensate for the fact that you're a fucking hack that has to rely on real time lighting to solve already solved problems because re-implementing the actual solution and baking lightmaps is too complicated for your blueprint-kiddie brain.
>>745949319>Games cant render the scene twiceShit devs. Reflections and local split screen both died because of laziness.
>>745947415Did they?...
>>745947485You know that's not a real reflections?
>>745947415>>745949367reflections don't fucking look like that
>>745949696Did you know that doom 3 isn't real either
>>745949181amd sucks lmao you have no idea how much better all software works with CUDA
>>745949696My brother in christ, it's a video game. All of it is fake.
>>745947485DOOM MARINE WATCH OUT THERE'S A DOG BEHIND YOU
Yeah, preset F for RR certainly looks great.Unfortunately this board is full of poorfag mixed-up right-wing Amerimutts with 3070s and some other shit like that, so they sour graps at pathtracing.
>>745949878>it's all le fakeTell that to the hardware that has to render it. There's a reason that games that looked like your post could do mirrors easy, and it isn't because the devs that made them were magicians or because of some lost technology.
>>745947485behold
>>745949696>you know a videogame isn't real?
>>745949769>amd sucks lmao you have no idea how much better all software works with CUDAWorks more than well enough on CoboldCPP and gives you the benefit of scaling total compute and VRAM capacity for more complex models locally.What you should be asking is if the better performance from one card is worth passing up on the VRAM for two cards when you're going to get more than satisfactory results while being able to use more advanced models.
graphics wont make a shit game good
>>745950132four 5060ti outperform four 7900xtx
>>745947415who the fuck wants this shit? it looks like shit. reflections were figured out 20+ years ago but rapeshitjeet monkeys cant code for shit so your pc gotta brute force simulating 'light' now with 10 fake frames between every real one cuz gpus no longer get any better.
>>745947415Which DLSS preset is the best for image quality (least amount of ghosting/dithering) if you don't give a shit about ray reconstruction?
>>745950304L
>>745950185That's not even remotely accurate and with options like HipBLAS or Vulkan based solutions the difference in performance from one brand to another is not nearly as wide as it may seem.Nvidia still has a decent ADVANTAGE with CUDA, but it's not to the point where their bottom of the line cards are outperforming the competitions top of the line.
>>745950448nigger what the fuck are you doing
>>745950427Thanks I'll give it a try.
>>745950493Feeding your posts into a local LLM and asking it for 'responses appropriate for a technical conversation on 4chan'.
those frames aren't real, cope and seethe
>>745949751>>745949878>>745950118So we can all agree that fake frames and fake resolution are okay then?
>>745951415Fake AMD frames are badFake Nvidia frames are great
>>745951415Make a good product and I will reconsider
>>745947415>an extra 10 watts power draw for that.You turned car windows into unnatural looking mirrors. Bravo.
>>745951567
>>745951659Looks dumb, they should patch that.
>>745951659Walking past these I always start stuttering and I get really warm
>>745949305j-just render the scene six gorillion times?shut up!
I don't care about having sharper reflections I just want better image quality.Thankfully it looks like the noise is fixed but t's still a tiny bit blurry.I tried to inject it into Doom TDA but it's not working :( it looks great with PT but it's very blurry
>>745947603It's a scam with how they're selling it, that doesn't mean it doesn't work. You're a legit luddite if you don't use it
>>745952472i will never use it
>>745947415>Trash they slap on so they don't have to optimize the gamethis and rtx should die
>>745952590unironically your loss bud.
>>745952472Yeah. Framegen forces Reflex to be on all the time and most of the time I don't even bother turning on Reflex unless it is an option in-game so I was plenty surprised when I see that framegen on (at least at x2) has better latency than framegen off in some games I tested. No framegen with Reflex > Framegen > No framegen + no reflexAlso where's Reflex 2
>>745951415They aren't fake.>fake resolutionDLAA and FSR native and 100% TSR all do the same process at 50% res, they extract real details with the same trick anyway and even at 100% they still do the temporal accumulation which create the awful ghosting. So you might as well use them the way they're actually designed to work.>fake frameIt always has a final ground truth to work from, unlike DLAA/other taa based tech, and also only perfectly create a single inbetween frame, which means no ghosting unlike modern TAA, so fakes frames are arguably less fake than TAA.
>>745949696all pixels in your screen are fake anon.are you literally and actually retarded? like a very slow and dumb person?
Nvidia drivers still dogshit on Windows 11,10, and Linux today no exception
>>745947415legitimately looks too perfect no
>>745947485>nostalgia fags really think this is photorealistic
>>745947415>more wattage consumed>another 1GB of vram consumed>CPU taxed even more>"they fixed everything"or maybe don't run DLSS at all at that point retard
>>745947415XeSS is better
>>745952472If it's so great, why is it not in a single competitive game?
>>745955882coping AMDcel>>745955904coping INceleverybody COPES
>>745947415Autism inside butWHY THE FUCK DONT THESE COMPARISON NIGGERS NEVER GET IT 1/1YOU LITERALLY HAVE A SCREENSHOT FUCKING LINE THAT SHIT UP RIGHT ITS ALWAYS ALWAYS SLIGHTLY OFF AT BEST AND A FUCKING DIFFERENT ANGLE WORST
>>745955882>500mb extra vram is now 1gbif you're gonna shitpost then atleast do it rightclose your browser then, vramlet
>>745955882Ray reconstruction is only meant to be used with higher end GPU cards. Why even care about that stuff when you probably can’t run basic RT properly anyway?
>>745955882>don't run dlss at allyeah lets be a fuckTAA redditor cultist and run a pixelated 720p tier mess instead or 480p level of quality capcoms TAAfuck off rabbi
>>745948086Thats sandevistan bro
>>745956082You were right, you're being autistic. The angle is not the point.
>>745947485I swear to god, if retards like you were actually alive in 2004, you would see posts of a Doom 3 corpse disappearing and go "WOOOOW, WE HAD THIS SHIT FIGURED OUT BACK 10 YEARS AGO !!!!"
I'm really upset all the effort going in cleaning up visuals for modern shit is all going into DLSS.
>>745947415>50 series onlydon't care
>>745955962Huh? Every competitive games features it. I would agree that that the lag hit is still there so I wouldn't use FG for a competitive games. But you would use Reflex, which only exists because Nvidia was developing FG in the first place.But I'm not gay, so I don't play those anyway. Competitive games are usually well optimised anyway. Depending on your screen and your base fps, it might still be worth sacrificing a frame of lag for better motion clarity, FG is still the only way you can run a modern game at 700+ HZ that some monitors can now output and you could gain an advantage by looking at a cleaner picture than everyone else. Almthough in reality BFI works better in this case but monitor brands are fucking retarded and hardly add the feature when even Nvidia did with Pulsar.
>>745947415>they fixed the problem they themselves invented
>>745947415Is this patch out? How do I enable this preset?
>>745948243I'll never understand people that compromise massive input lags for fake frames. And then have the gall to say "but it's barely noticable!" it feels like your mouse is drunk, what are you people on about.
>>745960801your experience with framegen entirely changes depending on your base framerate and if you're not a retard trying to use it without reflex also active and make sure the vsync situation is correct (they fixed this very recently, but before, framegen with vsync even if you have VRR active and hitting the max refresh, used to disable reflex or it wasn't applying correctly leading to more lag than intended/than if you were running unlocked fps within your VRR window)The lag is there but it is in fact barely noticeable if you're at like 70FPS before framegen. I don't give a shit about your coping, you will not notice +5ms of lag unless maybe if you set up is unoptimised elsewhere and the total cumulative lag from everything is like 90ms for some reason (maybe a bad mouse, a bad connection elsewhere, a bad windows MPO setting, bad bluetooth reception on wireless controllers, a bad TV etc) and then every little bit of additional lag from here is proportionally more noticeable to a threshold you can't help but notice.
>>745961372>you will not notice +5ms of lagI need not listen any further
>>745947415Shitters at njewdia really need to go outside. Reflections don't look like that IRL.
>>745963337uhh it's the dev's responsibility to tune it dude...
>>745947485>But this is a big waste of resources
>>745947603no it's fucking notI can't believe there are people on /v/ who actually listen to you morons
>>745949305
>>745963337>>745951659please shut the fuck up dumb goycattle
>>745948086Start forcing Preset L, it doesn't average lighting, specular highlights and bright particle effects out of existence like K does
Meanwhile in 1998.
>>745947415>THEY FIXED EVERYTHINGgameplay?
>>745962298suit yourself luddite, but I will add that a vrr monitor running at twice the refresh rate usually start having less inherent lag too, which can offset that 5ms loss with gains of 5ms of it's own. It's particularly going to be noticeable on monitors with no LFC
>>745947686What pisses me off is it won't fix dis-occlusion in UE5 games since it's an inherent problem to Lumen itself, not DLSS. Forever going to see light sources take half a second to 'resolve' in high-contrast spots.
>>745964747Based af game. This level with the reflective floor and walls everywhere is so damn cool.
>>745966015we're past that shit
>>745960197you can always use TAA and software raytracing if Nvidia isn't letting you breathe
>>745947415The power of 400 watts. That said, just how low was the raycast count per pixel on the left side that RR's second model can resolve something that much cleaner if it wasn't completely faked?
>>745966686UE5 fucking sucks yeah. The only way you can sort of reduce the lumen ghosting is to increase the resolution, there doesn't seem to be any other ways.
>>745966951>car windows aren't 100% clean and smoothwake up sheeple!!!!
>>745966979It's ass since the only reason I even upgraded my GPU (1070 to a 5070TI) was to bruteforce the UE5 image quality problems away, and there are some things you just simply can't fix with a better GPU.Least this GPU runs MHWilds at more than 30fps I guess despite it looking ass even on highest settings
>>745947415Leaked version is still blurry as shit just like preset D and E were, and reflections are over pixelated. If the release version isn't improved this was a waste of time money and effort.
Is this only for reflection shit, or does it also resolve the issue I have with pathtracing which is looking like it vaseline blurred every texture? Everyone in both Cyberpunk & Indy look oily with it on.
>>7459660151996, the game takes place in 1998 and was developed for hardware released in 1994.
>>745948086Yes it still has this same issue, as well as bleeding trails behind vehicles, just slightly reduced. If you look on their website it says ray reconstruction was only improved 35%. This shouldn't be happening with normal SR though if you're not using path tracing
>>745967392It's a tiny bit sharper and there's clearly less noise on pure PT
>>745948086ghosting was one of the first thing they fixed with the first update
>>745967484Noticeable improvements in reflections, boiling, ghosting, and blurry textures
>>745968652Cool. Will just have to hope the driver doesn't reintroduce black screening. Never had boiling issues with my preferred setup (1440p/DLAA), but blur is still an issue.
>>745947415>using 100% of 13gb of VRAM and 65% of your CPU for 100FPSwack
>>745969403Path-tracing legitimately looks like a generational leap to warrant the FPS cut.
>>745951415no because one technology worked and the other doesn't
>>745947415>shills want you to believe F is an upgrade>try it myself>it is immediately noticeably worse outside of a couple cherrypicked locations
>>745969460i didn't care back in the day when people posted shiny pics like this for GTA IV and I don't care nowi do not understand the obsession with making things shiny, it doesn't look realistic and it doesn't look particularly good either
>>745948086how are you getting ghosting with it off?I've noticed I get that In modern games too
>>745969617the driver isn't even out yet and some games probably need an update for full support
>>745949673reminds me of the dead rising remake, how for some reason the Ps5 has actual reflections, every other port even pc has never been patch to include it so you get AWFUL 2003 tier reflections
>>745969789>driver>all the kernels you need for the latest RR are in 580 drivers and above????
>>745958783>that graph the fucks with OLED, some pictures anons have posted show the alien just fine but now all of a sudden 144/60hz is a blurry mess?
But it looks like it's more demandingSo if we're using this performance saving technology to save performance but we're finding the solution to be just use less and less of it every single time, why are we even still pushing it
>>745969617I'm not seeing the hype either. SR 4.5 was a much bigger upgrade than this. This ray reconstruction update has the exact same image quality as preset E with slight improvements to ghosting and everyone is just losing their fucking minds
>>745969403The CPU cost is the same as normal. RE engine is fucking shit
>>745969671The GTA4 mod looked like shit in motion, and it only worked for specific weather conditions (overcast for flatter lighting). Pathtracing for me isn't about shiny, it's about grounding every element in the scene properly that AO/baked-lighting can't do, especially on dynamic objects.
>>745955882>don't run DLSSno thanks. You go ahead and be happy playing a slideshow.
>>745956270Only decent thing about that forum was just bringing awareness of the problem to normies, and some people providing UEtweaks for games that use the default garbage TAA settings which interpolate far too many frames.Literally went nVidia over AMD just to have access to DLAA, since AMD still has no answer to it. Even the shit I've seen of FSR4 looks a model generation or two behind nVidia.
>>745948086honestly, depends on the card you have. Jewvidia makes DLSS better for their newer cards, the 5000 series in particular has the best version of it and it's the only one that has dlss 4.5 which gets rid of pretty much all visual bugs.
>>745969956That was always the case since day 1 of oled existing.OLEDs still have "sample-and-hold" motion blur just like every other display tech, and it's by far the main reason why flat screens are blurry compared to CRTs, not the "response times" yet fucking nobody talks about sample and hold blur because the way to fix it has some small caveats.I say this as an OLED user myself, people just don't fucking get, the blur you see is a natural reaction of the human eye when it sees framerates so low, it's not because "the pixels are slow", it's just how the eye react to it because it's in fact this fast and you can see hundred tousands of FPS.The only way to fix this is to trick the eyes into not smearing past frames into each others, CRTs used to do it automatically but not any modern stuff. You have to artifically add the flickering that CRTs used to do. That's called "strobing" or black frame insertion. But unfortunately is a very rare feature to find included in modern display and options are limited. This is also why an IPS with a strobing mode can be way clearer than an OLED without. Still only oleds can have a perfect picture in motion with strobing/bfi especially at 120hz+. tl;dr, OLED is fucking amazing IF you use strobing/BFI/Pulsar/ELMB/ULMB/PureXP type tech (all different marketing name but the principle is the same everytime, Pulsar has the advantage of doing it alongside VRR, all the other ones need VRR disabled) but otherwise they're as blurry as the rest, there's nothing "sudden" about this I've been warning people in every damn monitor threads.I'm lucky enough to own an LGC1 which can strobe at 60 and 120hz and 120fps with strobing is as clear as 312FPS. That's the proper way to use oleds.
>>745971690Wish I knew more about this stuff before buying my first OLED. My LGC3 only does 60hz BFI zzzzzzz
>>745947415>THEY FIXED EVERYTHINGSoo when will they fix pricing and ggive me 5070 ti at $750 in jurop? You won't? Then my next gpu is 9070 xt
>>745947485Fpbp, doom 3 and prey mog the shit out of turd sharting jeets and their diluting zillennial friends
>>745947603op's not showing frame gen tho
>>745972258>My LGC3 only does 60hz BFIYep, they downgraded the chips that were handling this since the G2/C2, which is why I ordered my C1 perhaps 5 minutes after reviews of the C2 were released and they found out it no longer did 120hz bfi.I thought it would be temporary but they still didn't fix this shit..At least you have 60hz so 60fps games still looks good, that's better than most.
>>745947485Not need to be that modern.Late 90's already had that tech.
>>745969671>photorealistic footage>it's always overcastnooticing
>>745947686A modern miracle that needs a simple modern GPU using 99% of it's power + 12gb VRAM + 420+W
>>745947603Gaytracing is the biggest scam, followed by AI frame generation.
>>745949673ThisNow that more GPUs were able to do RT, nowadays RT "looks bad" and you must use PT to make it "looks good"
>>745951659>Ideal conditions of light and photo angleSuure, every car is a pristine looking mirror in any metorological and lighting condition, right?
>>745947415Quit posting that 17 year old boy.
>>745972724Even after looking at the map for that area I couldn't figure out how they done it. The stacked sector shenanigans they added to BUILD for Shadow Warrior was to big-brained for my teenager brain, compared to the simplicity of Duke3d.
>>745973213gaytracing existed before rasterization.Framegeneration has little to do with ai. In fact FSR framegen has no ai whatsoever at any point of it's processing, and it's basically just as good as nvidia's framegen.
>>745947485fpbp>you mean glass can now reflect properly without becoming blurry?
>>745973807Duke already had sectors over sectors. Check the secret maps of episode 2 and 3 - tier drops, and lunatic fringe.
Doom TDA mogs Doom 3.
>>745973807A moveable sector, maybe?Still, I'm surprised at how many cool stuff some people do with this old, limited engine.
>>745974138>Duke already had sectors over sectorsI said stacked sectors, not sector-over-sector. Shadow Warrior let you see one floor from another floor, which Duke 3d couldn't do without abusing a lot of sprites to fake 3d geometry, which you'd at the whim of wonky collision.
>>745974587eDuke added some niceties over the original. You wouldn't have been able to do a mirror of that scope on vanilla, even if you had a Pentium 2 to throw at it.
>>745974587Blood was even crazier.
>>745947415>Lose a frame>THEY FIXED EVERYTHING!!!!!!memeLSS will always be a forced meme.
>>745976885As opposed to running everything native with billions of rays to get to literally the same result except it's 10FPS?
>>745977153memetracing, memeresolution, memeperformance, memedetails, memegames, memeelectricity, memefirstworld, memetoilets
