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Play Poe 2
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>>745948414
Is that some kind of Diablo II clone?
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>>745948414
they keep nerfing the stuff i like
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>>745948414
Can't believe Diablo 4 actually won even though it was WORSE than Diablo 3 which was a flop
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>>745948458
At this point Poe is setting the trends in the genre and Blizzard is copying it
>>745948483
>Diablo 4 actually won
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>>745948483
won in terms of nobody playing it lmao
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>>745948414
>game still doesn't have swords or axes
no thanks
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I won't play live service mmo ARPGs. Keep it offline with modding.
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>>745948414
>Expansion about black/chinese tribe killing "pale skin" "outsiders" that arrive by ships.
No saar, I will not redeem.
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maybe, what's so great about it? my PC definitely can't run it so I'd be playing on PS5, is that a bad idea?
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>>745948958
Did you dream that or something? Poe never had an update like that.
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>>745948414
i rather step on a bunch of legos
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>>745948464
That's because you like broken stuff to begin with!
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>>745948414
I'd rather play a fun game that is actually good. like Palworld.
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>>745948414
What's the logic behind a machine gun crossbow? Arent they the opposite usually?
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>start game
>moves slower than fucking diablo 1
no thank you if i wanted to play a downgrade to poe1 i would play poe1
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>some tard in the poe2g posted like a year ago about the Oil Grenade ---> Incendiary Shot dealing 1 milly dps on a shoestring budget
>People didn't catch on until now
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>>745948414
IM WAITING FOR .5.5 JONATHAN NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP
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>>745948414
PoE 2 is way too hard play on hardcore, why did they even include the mode
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>>745949092
They all have magazines. There are also skills like grenades and railgun
>>745949138
Until the last update there was Incinerate + oil which was way more fun
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>>745949235
it's coming june 27. in the meantime prepare 2k usd to pay for new cosmetics that will be released for every major holiday till summer 27.
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>>745948414
>>745949138
Not nearly enough damage on this, either. Probably isn't abusing weapon swapping to juice oil grenade's hit damage.
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>>745948414
I tried it but there's something wrong with it. Campaign on release was cool, end game was horrible.
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>>745949424
They completely revamped endgame in the last update.
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>>745949272
Only 2k? A pittance for my greatest allies at GGG.
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>>745949470
there was no update, because there was no release. it is a chinese-indian scam.
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>>745949470
Sweet. I'll try next patch
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>>745949546
Then what is this?
>>745949567
The next update is coming in November/December and it will be 1.0.
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>>745948414
skill tree boring
support gems boring
uniques boring
poe2 is so bad i stopped wanting to play poe1
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>>745949701
milking the retards and shielding themselves from legal liability. Path of Exile II should have been a completely different game, basically PoE I transformed. And it was going to be released around Christmas 2024. It was cancelled two years ago and sold to China.
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Tencent shill thread
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>>745949264
It's not for people like you or me, it's for perverts who've played so much PoE over the last fifteen years that they can only get a thrill from permadeath at this point. Don't worry about it.
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>>745949470
>They completely revamped endgame in the last update.
They didn't revamp shit and at least 75% of their patch notes are just straight up lies.

The end game is exactly as it was before but now the shitty minigames are gated behind a boring quest that you have to do every league reset.
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Path of Exile has more players online than Path of Exile II right now. top kek. what a miserable failure by retarded ass faggots who sold their buttholes to china.
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>>745950061
poe2 is not free to play
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>>745950061
i'm all for shitting in poe2 but you are fucking retarded
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>>745950169
more people boughted poo II access than there ever were poo1 players. Which is the entire fucking point. The game is sooo bad and is getting worse, and worse, on top on obvious milking and forever early access shenanigangs, that it has the worst retention numbers ever. It is basically a flop like concord or highguard now. Except two years ago people were actually hoping that poo2 will be fun at some point.
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>>745950235
assraped marketer detected.
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>>745950169
poe1 isn´t free either , unless you like haveing no stashtabs whatsoever
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>>745950464
Poe 1 received a major update less than a month ago and it's already practically on par with Poe 2 after three months in the league. It's literally the biggest failure of an update that Poe 1 or 2 ever had.
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>fun of Diablo 1/2 was playing with others
>no one teams up in PoE
>no one plays multi in GD
>no one teams up in PoE2
Missing the point
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>>745948414
I've played it for 600 hours at this point, last time I played it was 3 weeks ago. Waiting on 0.5.5 before getting back to it
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>>745948414
why does it cost money when they advertise it as a f2p game?? am i retarded or what?
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>>745950595
so what you're saying is that the same shit eating cum guzzlers play these shite games like a circlejerk? good to know that bad games are bad.
>>745950601
multiplayer retards must die
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>>745950698
It's in beta testing right now. It's free for people who have already put money into Poe 1 and technically, you're not buying the game, you're buying in-game currency and getting access to the beta as a bonus. It's set to launch 1.0 and become truly free-to-play by the end of the year.
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>>745950791
>It's set to launch 1.0 and become truly free-to-play by the end of the year.
nigger, this ain't 2024. you'll be milked and fucked in the ass sixever.
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>>745948414
already done with this season long ago
lvl 99 done all and just shit waiting for new season, why would i still play it.
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>>745948414
Would rather smash my balls with a sledgehammer.
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>>745950852
They've already confirmed that the game will be released this year and that 0.5 is the last major patch before 1.0.
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>>745950998
I've heard the same horseshit in 2024 and during the entire 2025. Fool you once... Fool you sixever/
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The campaign sucks
Endgame sucks.

All you do is farm monopoly money for a 500 hours so you have the opportunity to craft 1 good item, and by the time you get it there's nothing left to do in the game anyway.
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>>745950998
and I can fucking guarantee you, that there will be 0.6 and 0.7, and 0.8, and tons of excuses as to why. technical issues, and major bug-fixes, and some reworks. In reality simply more league and cosmetics to milk your tarded ass. If it wasn't obvious to you back in december 2024, then you're fucking retarded. their entire fucking business model relies on bullshit and stalling the release. they don't care about anything else at this point. half the team is gone anyway. jeets are slaving away now.
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>>745950998
>>745950998
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Clearly clueless people in here, they were basically already done with act 5 and act 6 will be the last one, so thats all they have to do. So we will get all acts and maybe a 2 new characters in 1.0. Doesnt mean that the game wont be updated after 1.0
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>>745951263
nigger they said that 1.0 will release in 2024
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>>745951263
stop shilling, xen ding mong.
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>>745951440
It was literally a different game in 2024.
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>>745948414
I never understood spreadsheet autism simulator games like poe, the content is piss easy so why would making your character stronger feel good? Diablo has good atmosphere and leans a lot more into the horror aspect with a very captivating story and soundtrack, can't really say the same for poe.
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>>745951263
>believing a company
you are a shill or retarded
most likely both
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>>745951440
What this is first time I hear this? I remember they said it will be fully released late 2026, show me where you got this info? This was never the case.
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>>745951497
it wasn't. I played since day 1.
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>>745948414
When does the latest armor event end? Still have like 4 points to complete
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>>745951440
>They said 1.0 would release less than a month after EA began

Anon, I know you're fighting a very brave war all by yourself against the evil bastards of GGG, but you should at least stick to attacking their real blunders instead of attacking the issues you made up in your head.
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>>745951550
You are clearly the retarded one and dont know shit. All they need to do is add two more acts. 1.0 doesnt mean it wont get more updates, but main campaign will be done.
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>>745948414
Why would i subject myself to such misery and idiocy?
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>>745951784
>two more weeks
yeah, yeah. keep sucking dick, goy. don't get distracted.
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>>745951518
Poe 2 is basically Soulslike in the body of an ARPG with all the typical soul-like features like dodge rolls, high-quality bosses, and forgive me Zanzibar
https://youtu.be/jefJa9gL8Lo?si=D5xVgQ0opd1xiC9U
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>>745951715
such my cock you faggot shill
https://www.pcgamer.com/path-of-exile-2-announced-but-its-not-a-separate-game/#:~:text=Path%20of%20Exile%202%20is%20still%20a%20long%20way%20off%3A%20Grinding%20Gear%20Games%20said%20it%20won%27t%20likely%20even%20begin%20beta%20testing%20until%20very%20late%20in%202020

look what they said
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>>745951843
poe 2 is basically shit.
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>>745948414
First poo was one of the worst ARPGs and at least that was free
Buy and ad shill
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>>745948414
arpgfags and soulsfags are similar kind of braindead gameplay retards and you cannot convince me otherwise
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>still no Duelist
>still no swords
I'm good. I'll just wait until the game is actually done.
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>>745951815
You must be a really miserable cunt. I just play one char each season and move on, so now I just wait for 1.0. You can go and play D4 if that is more to your liking.
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>>745951973
Not eating shit and not sucking corpodick makes me happy.
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>>745951850
>A single comment in an interview from 2019 saying "It's still a long way off, and likely won't even start internal beta testing for over a year yet" equates to a concrete promise to launch 1.0 in the year 2024
Ah, naruhodou.
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>>745952058
How the fuck is this sucking corpodick you idiot. Even if it would be delayed it wouldnt matter for me, I play other vidya as well. So far they have released patches between each seasons, so I dont see why they wouldn't be able to release the remaining 2 acts we miss.
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>>745951850
Are you retarded where does it say anything about it being released as 1.0 after EA. You are not only a dumbcunt it seems but a blind one as well.
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>>745952217
you'll understand when you will stop being retarded and get the cock out of your mouth.
you have been playing the same 4 acts for over a year now. 3 of which were released back in 2004. it's not hard to see without corpopubes in your eyes.
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>>745948414
>still paid game
the point of playing it when d4 exists?
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>>745948414
When does it come out?
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>>745952413
the point is that you're not playing a modern blizzard game
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>>745948414
Did they ever go back on build design being
>the one lame way some dev approves it being played
>everything else is specifically excluded
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>>745952357
oh no 2004? I dont even play poe1 and i play only 1 char per season make my own build complete it all and move on it doesn't take long time for me. You must be a really noob, it takes like 1 or max 2 days to complete all acts for majority and I do it twice a year. The better question is why are you even here what are you playing?
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>>745952439
They said "in 2026 but after Exilecon" so probably in December, if there's no delays (but that's a big "if").
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>poop of excrement
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>>745952552
They really emphasized that it will definitely be released by the end of the year, so even if something happens, they'll just cut it short and release it unfinished.
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>>745952439
>>745952552
>>745952549
>sorry boys, because of some issues we'll have to delay till spring 2036. don't forget to buy the new 750 usd cosmetics pack!
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>>745952204
>its only a beta for 6 years

fuck you cocksucker shill faggot
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ggg vastly overestimated how fast they can work. that, and also how they pussied out of putting poe1 in to maintenance mode so they keep wasting half the year on poe1 updates instead of poe2 which Tencent has mandated they go f2p "1.0" in December even though it's STILL missing content that was supposed to be in by now
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>>745952413
D4 looks like a phonegame and all my friends stop playing it even i stopped after S1, regret that I bought that pile of shit. It have shitty type of progression if you like to tinker with your own builds.
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looks like we're havin a bit of a schizo melty in this thread
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>>745952613
You're getting mad at imaginary issues you created in your head again. You know they can and will continue to release ridiculously overpriced cosmetic packs after launch, right? Just look at PoE1, they just did some last month.
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>>745952613
I really don't care about cosmetic shit in games, do you even play arpgs or what do you play?
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>>745952413
I can't pirate that and I'm not giving the company that basically pioneered AAA woke game dev a decade ago, a single penny
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>>745952728
yes, but the game will dead and forgotten. early access shenanigans kept players excited and waiting, esp for the 1500 usd release day megapack or some shit. This strategy worked very well on the stupid unwashed masses of shit eating cock sucking mongoloids in the past 10-15 years. Not so much anymore with all the recent fails of the industry, and so forth. Still, there are plenty of idiots. It doesn't matter which genre or corpo, that business model is the same. Esp. when a company is owned by China. China is not evil, they're simply doing what works and what they can get away with, same as the u.s. developers do.
Unfortunately this forever early access extension has worked very well, esp on steam. Game won't be released, because retards like you keep coping and defending your chinese masters, saying some bullshit like the game isn't released yet and it will be so good. Nigger, the piece of shit has released back in 2004 and it is utter horseshit. Everything else is milking until the last of you imbeciles will stop playing this garbage.
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>>745952916
They'll literally keep releasing updates just as they do now. It's a live service game.
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>>745952728
>>745952763
tl of this
>>745952916
is basically something like New World, or no, even better, the Ashes of Creation. Exact same shit. Release will be the death.
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>>745952964
are you seriously coping that there are millions of players who can't wait to try out the f2p poo2? nigger retard, everybody who was ever even remotely interested in poo2 has already tried the game. The numbers will only go down, esp. after the release, which is a very bad picture. It's dead.
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>>745953038
Why will that happen? The latest Poe 1 league is literally the worst in history, and the latest Poe 2 league is the best right after 0.1.
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>>745953112
being high on copium you forget that 80% of the playerbase are bots for trading and shilling streamers and "content creators".
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>>745952728
>imaginary issues you created in your head again
>game is in beta for 6 years
>every 6 month a new delay

suck my cock faggot shill
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>>745953038
Wtf are you on about there is not many seasonal ARPGs it competes with, its only D4 and LE as far as I know LE is pretty much dead also.
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>>745952996
>>745953038
>Release will be the death.
>The numbers will only go down, esp. after the release

>>745950061
>>745950464
>The released game has higher numbers than the unreleased one

Which is it?
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Is it free yet?
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>>745953195
No, check back in December
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>>745953195
it will never be free, they are trying to backpedal from it being f2p

also there are 55 stash tabs that you need to buy if you want to play the game seriously anyway, so technically it was never a f2p game
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>2 years of only maces as melee option
are these niggers absolutely retarded? Like I can understand classes being added the last but weapons? Literally kneecapping any sort of replayability. At the pace they are going I dont think poo2 will be playable by 2030
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>>745953275
Your Quarterstaff?
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>schizo just makes shit up the entire thread
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>>745953164
you're retarded. Palworld is the best ARPG I have ever played since Diablo II in my childhood. poo doesn't compete with arpgs, poo competes with all the other video games ever. And being one of the worst stalling release dogshit games ever, pretty much any complete new game, like Palworld, is infinitely better than poo2. Simply because it's much more fun to play.
>>745953178
that is called logic. all the live service garbage astroturfed and constnatly shilled and trying desperately to keep the articial excitement up dies for a very, very long time. Death isn't the servers being down. Death is the moment people leave to play something else and never come back. All you should look at in an online game are numbers.
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>>745953343
gay
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>>745953164
PoEs biggest competitor is actually Warframe
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>>745948553
>it's keeping Blizzard afloat and makes more money than WoW as their premier property
you don't need to deny reality this hard, Jonatroon.
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I had 4k hours in PoE 1 and have not played it longer than 1 day in 2 years.
I have not beat the campaign for PoE 2 and give up halfway each time. I did not try the last two leagues at all

I think I'm free, bros. Finally free.
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>>745953403
You are one retarded ugly motherfucker wtf are you comparing it with Palworld completely different kind of game which leans more into survival and crafting and collecting.
I myself havent played it although I am happy it makes tendietoddlers seethe. There is only one it truly competes with and its D4 which is more of a simpleton build isometric ARPG compared to PoE2
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>>745953558
thanks for the confirmation. you're clinically retarded.
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>>745953609
Yeah I am sure you must be very smart if you think its even remotely same. Show me what build you are running in Palworld, can you show me your skilltree also? Sadly PoE 2 didnt add any function to capture monsters yet, so I cant show you my collection
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why are these threads so schizophrenic
did the thread get linked in the /vg/ general again
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>>745953805
they are both video games. they compete for my time and my money. I choose what is fun and good. poo is not fun and not good. simple.
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>>745953813
there are dedicated schizos monitoring /v/ for poe threads to shit them right up, this happens every time
i just take it as a sign of a successful game at this point
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>>745953918
Yeah its not same type of game no shit, hence why i said PoE2 don't have much competition when it comes to isometric ARPGs, simple as. There is plenty of fucking games out there that I play as well. Majority of people play PoE 2 during seasons and then stop. Majority are also not autists that sit and play same damn game all the time.
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>>745953813
oop yep that explains it, some retard who hates the game but can't fuck off from it in the /vg/ general causing a ruckus
of course, every single time
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>>745954101
fuck, why are you so fucking dense? there is no comptetition by genre. there is competition by a gamer. and when gamers opt to play something else the games like poo die. that's all there is to it. the world has moved on from this failed poo2 project.
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>>745948414
I did. It's bad. Poe2 is bad.
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>>745954204
Yeah but the numbers tell you otherwise and you have no idea which shitstorm it will be when its out for free and there will be even more players than ever before. Me and my friends playing each season complete it all and move on simply because we like it. Maybe its just not for you have you thought about that, but others enjoy it.
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poe2 will never be good until Troonathan is gone
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>>745954353
all of your typical corpo dick sucking retardation has been addressed above. you're high on copium and dev cum. stop guzzling cum and face the reality. there will be no release, because the release is the death of poo.
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>>745948414
I will when they release a new class.
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All the skills I like playing suck ass numerically and that's all that matters in this game. You have a handful of playable skills and everything else is just window dressing to add an illusion of systems depth.
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>>745954461
I don't care as much as you think I do, I am not an autist like you who prob only play 1 game only.
No why would it be PoE1 was released and have been out for many years, so will PoE2. Why would that change, PoE 2 is already more popular as well.
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>>745954570
and it seems like it would be REALLY easy to just run a numbers analysis to bring all the shitty skills up to 90% of the best ones
I know they kvetch and cry about how
>muh unforeseen interactions
and how it's impossible, but that's no different than now and having one league where some trash can skill is good finally won't be the end of the world
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>>745954570
Just get many divs and problem solved. I do my own builds and divs matters, but kudos to people who can make a cheap build that can clear all content and uber bosses.
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>playing CCP owned games

LOL you are the same as those gachaniggers, actual cattle
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>>745954570
What skills do you like? I intentionally made a few "weak" builds and they're actually pretty good.
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>>745952805
Enjoy your lasguns (star wars blasters)
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>>745954639
it's the ashes of creation story. the new world story. the concord story.
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>>745954853
Now check steamcharts and dont forget to take your meds, reminder that there is also a standalone launcher for the game that people use.
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>>745954958
I did. there are in this very thread. you got nothing, except sucking corpodick and shilling. poo is dead, nigger. let it go.
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>>745955031
Yeah and what dd you see before and after taken the meds? Player count and peak? Player count during season launch? I mean PoE 2 can be hard but its all about build, where is all that anger coming from did you get filtered in the game or something? Get a switch they have a lot of games for you type of skill.
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even Team Ninja diablo slop mogs Poo 2
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>>745954834
I like fissures, poison bow skills(which used to be fun and good, but got triple tapped, because that's not allowed) and eye of winter/ball lightning (basically both are the same; moving projectiles that don't deal damage themselves but shoot out damaging smaller attacks, I like that concept). And they all suck dick.
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So how long did it take until screendashing zoom zoom build started appearing since launch?
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>>745955295
you mean the intended way to play the endgame?
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>>745955137
in the worst times of poo2, the player count was still higher than poo1. hundred of thousand players, or two. poo2 has not been released and it already has poo1 autismal number of 10-20k. it's never been more over. nobody can trust the company to release the game. nobody can trust niGGGers owned by china to do a good job anymore. nobody can trust the game will ever be fun, exciting, good, or at least interesting. it will forever be an autismal dogshit for 3.5 turbo maniacs, paid shills, and bots. Real people have moved on, because the last two years have shown that niGGGers simply aren't capable of making a game worth playing. being high on copium and retardation is not for real gamers, we've seen this shit play out hundreds of times over the past decades. we play good games and don't "wait till something will get better".

TL;DR: poo is dead.
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>>745955357
2 weeks bro, i'm sure it will die this time
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>>745948414
I did. It started to bore me a lot faster than I thought it would.
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>>745955357
Its a seasonal game always been. Like i said majority are not autistic like you, people play and finish off all content pretty fast and play something else and wait for next season.
420,409 was peak numbers during last season, I think its well enough.
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Can you still just tame the fune monke as hunter and shit on everything?
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>>745955484
already dead.
>>745955534
>420k
bots and streamers, yes. there is no such thing as a seasonal game. you have been sold a lie. one day, years later, you will understand the error of your cum cuzzling that is being dripfed to you and play something else. like a real videogame, that is fun and has been released. which won't make it a complete waste of your time.
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what about poop 1 and poop 2 brings out hordes of shitskin retards to whine about it?
i reckon it's streamers. browns love streamers
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>>745955534
>seasonal game
this is some next level goycattle cope
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>>745948414
I already have 800+ hours played. I'll be back when they finally add all the weapon skills and ascendancies so like another year or two at their current pace.
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>>745955331
That's what all arpg devolve into if possible. But you still haven't answered my q
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>>745948414
I should finish up this league's challenges, I just need to finish Delirium and Ritual.
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>>745955724
Time for meds I think, must be fucking hard being this autistic. I told you I enjoy many games I buy and pirate them as well. I don't play one game like you. It will also be out for free and there is no way it will die as you think unless a better isometric ARPG comes out.
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>>745956073
you're a retarded cultist.
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>>745956138
No I think you are if you only play one game that takes up all your time I havent played PoE2 since early july, completed Mortal Shell 2 now.
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I recently completed the campaign and did my first Atlas map.

Are there any (set) items in the game that incentivize doing other builds like in D3?
I remember playing the demon hunter back then and finding some green item. Then just reading how a shitty ability gets a casual +40.000% damage increase That was motivation enough for me to build for it and farm more items.
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>>745956307
no set items, only yellows and uniques. game is more about buying/crafting very specific items for your build than having built in answers to it like D3 did.
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>>745956297
>shills the dead game it doesn't play as it fondly remembers the cum fed to him back in the day
grim.
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>>745956470
got cum on the brain eh?
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>>745956520
the shills here clearly do. imagine defending a corporation and a game you don't even fucking play. this is next level faggotry.
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>>745955816
I imagine a lot of the butthurt about 2 is needing to pay in for early access
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>>745956307
set items are inherently bad and lazy game design
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the campaign is still boring as fuck
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>>745948414
i'll play for the gameplay but inventoryfaggotry kills it for me
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>>745948414
I just wanted to find that water cave hideout in the late gate but couldn't find jackshit
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>>745948414
nah, if I wanted to play a gacha I would play one with big anime tits
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They promised my MTX would transfer over and less than 5% of what I bought actually works in PoE2. So, no. I shan't be playing.
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>>745956019
about 2 days
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>>745957138
why would they transfer? people will pay again.
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>>745955826
>the seasonal arpg isn't seasonal
?
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>>745956668
I think smaller sets could work, last epoch has a few sets that are like, just a shield and weapon for skeleton builds for example and it works fine. a full set providing 1gorillion damage to a skill just for wearing it sucks ass though yeah
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>>745957228
Because they promised us that they would. If they had been upfront about it I wouldn't have cared and would play PoE2. But they outright lied to us even though they've had years to transfer them over. So I will not play the game.
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>>745956307
>Are there any (set) items in the game that incentivize doing other builds like in D3?
No but there are build-defining Uniques and Uniques that give you special attack skills.
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>>745949271
Wait, so you're a dragon (wyvern) that can't fly?
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>>745957396
they did not follow up on any of their promises. they promised poe 2 will be the new poe 1, remember? they promised we won't need currency to have 6 links in the interface, remember that? they promised the game will be good and fun, remember? and will be released in 2024? and then 2025? I mean, there is a limit to trust and belief.
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>>745957509
there is a move where you hover above the ground and blast fire I think it was
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weren't 1 and 2 supposed to have the same endgame or something too, or am i taking crazy pills
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>>745948414
>play a worse version of PoE1
Why
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>>745958085
naw PoE2's endgame was always about the endless atlas map thingy,
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>>745958085
long long ago. they are just different games now. they share the MTX tho which is nice
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>>745958085
When PoE2 was supposed to be an update to PoE1, sure.
But all of 2s gay changes weren't liked by most of 1s community so they realized they had to split the games
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>>745954834
Don't asnwer anons! It's the what do we nerf next team on assignment
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i've been playing PoE since the first day of open beta over 13 years ago. i'd say PoE2 is in a pretty good spot, the new endgame is substantially better than what it used to be. but having gone back to PoE1 for the last month to play the allflame league, i realized just how much better PoE1's endgame still is. a lot of it is down to the vast amount of content, but another big factor is the lack of freedom over the atlas in PoE2. there is also way too much friction with some of the league mechanics (especially stuff like ritual). in PoE1 you can do whichever map / tileset you want and farm it infinitely. in PoE2 they still try to force you to run terrible map layouts that are all some variant of an obnoxious maze. give me a PoE2 where i can run whichever map i want over and over, reduce the friction, get rid of the stupid fucking tablet micromanagement and just bring back scarabs from PoE1.
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>>745958181
you are incorrect, poe2 and poe1 were suppose to have the same endgame it was suppose to be one game, rewatch the first reveal
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>>745958181
>>745959079
correct. they have literally shown us the poe1 gameplay in poe1 areas but with the poe2 interface, such as the skill gems and links tab, which was supposed to be 6 link free for all from the very beginning of the game. from lvl 1.
but that was too good and fun for a shite game, so of course it was completely enshittified with a new currency. never forget, never forgive.
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why are shills defending poo2? the game is literal dogshit
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What's a good build to blast through PoE2 just for the story? Not interested in endgame or anything
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>>745960026
witch with the minions is always a fuck off type of gameplay. not difficult at all. doesn't depend on top tier gear. minions just do all the work for you.
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>>745948414
>Play Poe 2
did they make free to play yet?
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>>745960026
>Not interested in endgame or anything
The endgame map has its own storylines. Unless you mean lvl 92+ Uber boss grinding as the proper "endgame".

https://youtu.be/vDIgB_bDWqQ?si=6W5MnYrjCu2jqN8Z
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>>745960412
Is her model anatomically correct?
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>>745960582
Yes, most of the female characters in the game have fully modeled anatomy. Every female player character has a unique bush.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GXyna4
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>>745960702
Surprised they're getting away with this, considering they're owned by China.
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>>745960273
not yet, though the current league is likely the last paywalled one, next big update is 1.0.
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>>745960836
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they should raise the price after beta ends. no more SEA dogs or sudaca in my game!
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>>745960828
China is a strange place and a lot of Chinese censorship is done by the developers themselves in an attempt to predict their wishes. Basically self-censorship caused by poor communication
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>>745960582
If you call extra pair of boobs anatomically correct.
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>>745960828
China has seperate servers complete with p2w mechanics. That's why they can kinda do whatever they want with their main games, as long as it's profitable.
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>>745960934
>price after beta ends
Anon....
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>>745960828
>>745961031
They have two different PoEs, the China version is heavily censored and in the chink version you have to buy your own extra stash tabs again in every single new League.
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>>745961058
hot zamn, good shit. This is something you would've seen in a video game, 20 years ago, before everything started catering towards faggots and women.
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>>745961228
I didn't know that. It seems like the objectively best solution for everyone.
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>>745961228
That makes sense. Pretty old school solution, WOW and Dota 2 do this as well.
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>>745961228
>have to rebuy stash tabs every league
that's insane
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>>745961228
>you have to buy your own extra stash tabs again in every single new League.
what
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>>745961254
They just stay true to the grimdark Diablo 2 artstyle. Classic Diablo 2 had nudity and demons really liked decorating their walls with mutilated women. Act 3 in PoE 2 already has lot of Hellraiser stuff and the upcoming Act 5 will have way more of it.

https://youtu.be/rUs7E5aJCvk?si=fm02N7BxjYcjTCAx&t=592
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>>745961446
China has also has pets that pick up the loot for you.
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>>745950698
If they're actually advertising that it's a blatant lie, yeah. It allegedly WILL be free to play someday, but it's been a paid demo for years.
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>>745958169
1 is too jank compared to 2. It has content and more build freedom but that's it. And I don't miss barter.
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>>745961519
Based. Hate when devs do le edgy grimdark but then completely shy away from anything sexual.
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>>745961903
barter? you mean like messaging people for trades? 1 has the merchant tabs too for trading
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>>745961980
No, I mean memorize formulas to know what set of items will give you currency.
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>>745962040
Oh, I don't even bother with that shit unless it's a league challenge.
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>>745961974
>Mother of Filth comments Ranger that her Hills Have Eyes kids wanted their incest mommy to give Ranger to them as their sextoy, she refused and wants to eat her flesh instead.
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>>745962176
Please kill yourself
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>>745948414
>Play Poe 2
Nigga i played PoE from open beta and GGG has done nothing for the past half decade or more but take their game and turn it shit.
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>>745962278
I didn't make that up, GGG did.
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>>745962415
You're disgusting and you should kill yourself
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>>745962176
>>745962415
You are based and should live.
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>>745962176
that .webm is kinda gross
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>>745962415
>>745962505
>>745962540
>Mercenary comments "Eh, I've done worse." when the fight starts.
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>>745960836
Once its free to play i'll give it a go.
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>>745962540
Here, have a less gross webm.
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>>745948414
I don't play freemium shit. I will never play games with any kind of microtransactions whatsoever, especially not "quality of life" microtransactions, which is really just pay to win lite.
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I am. Playing shield wall smith of kitava. it's okay.
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>>745948414
do melee still suck?
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>>745963185
It never sucked. Last League start mace skills even got nerfed a little.
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>>745948414
I want to but the faggots are not releasing the mini-league
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>>745963185
Monk is pretty strong right now. martial artist and hollow form are crazy good and fun to play. I just hope it isn't nerfed too much, Hollow form Whirling Assault is the most fun I've had in the game so far
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>>745963073
Kill yourself. Your brain is broken and the world will be a safer place.
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>>745963073
wtf i didn't know this game had bare boobs
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>>745963390
>Choose WASD controls in the beginning.
>Bind your main mob clear combo to E and F.
>Play with one hand while jacking off to porn in 2nd monitor.
No more clicking needed.
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>>745963445
Sometimes in character select your character model loads before their clothes and you get flashbanged by Witch titties.
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>>745963567
>he still jerks with his right hand
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does it get any better after that desert level you come to after beating some werewolf or something? remember being really bored and dropping it after playing in that desert for an 30 minutes
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>>745965282
background changes, but quests and acts get longer.
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>>745965282
act 3 is the lowest point of the game campaign wise, but I quite like act 4's kind of open structure. endgame maps are pretty fun now too, feels less like mindless wandering and more structured. campaign in general feels really bad for some classes because you don't get the fun skills until later up in levels.
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>>745965694
>>745965391
maybe i will give it another try then
tried both archer and monk, are any of the other classes more fun?
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>>745966103
Monk is my favorite in the game currently, but getting to the point where I was allowed to have fun took quite awhile, but once I got whirling assault hollow form up and running I had a blast. Archer you get some good skills out the gate though. I thought witch was also a pretty miserable leveling experience, anything that scales with spirit feels bad at the start really.
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>>745948414
>online-only
lmao
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>>745954834
Resonating shield is complete dogshit. Your webm did not redeem it saar
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>>745966995
This isn't resonating shield build
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>>745966438
Do you not have friends?
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>>745967085
Whatever it is it looked like shit. Corrupting cry?
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>>745967975
Nope
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>>745948414
Buy an ad.
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>>745968258
>>745967975
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When is it going f2p?
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Welp, final act of interlude and I've meet a rare boss too fast to deal with it with my sorc. Guess I'll farm support gems and buff my skills to win the DPS race.
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every video looks like a mess visually
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>>745970558
Next update which will be 1.0
Sometime before the new year
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you'd have to pay me first and then each hour GGG shill
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>>745948414
I want to try the dragon thing since I like dragons or finish my ice meteor thing. I just hate the fucking jungle. Does poe2 have controller support I like playing from my sofa more then my desk.
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>>745973978
Yes
I don't know if it's good
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>>745948414
Not playing again until they fix optimization and the game stops cooking my CPU.
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>>745973978
>Does poe2 have controller support
Yes. Works better than you'd expect (besides navigatong the passive tree, you better plan beforehand what nodes you'll pick)
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>>745950791
>It's free for people who have already put money into Poe 1
huh? I paid 30 bucks when poe1 was in closed beta for a supporter pack and I never got a free poe2 key or anything
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>>745948414
Poe 2 is ass.

Poe 1 will forever be superior
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>>745974067
nigga maybe it's time to update the i5 and 750 Ti
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>>745974752
Even the highest spec PCs are getting cooked by poop 2, retard.
>b-but not my machine
Congrats then.
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>hmm maybe I'll reinstall
>140GB
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>>745974857
I have a mid range setup (Ultra 9 285K, RTX 5070) and have no problems with the game. The problem is people like you who still consider their ancient rig to be mid range and expect to keep up.
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>>745975220
Are you talkinf about 1 or 2.
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>>745975351
they both have outrageous file sizes
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>>745975351
2
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I was surprised by how good this game is, because I thought diablo, poe1, and grim dawn were shit
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>>745948414
Look here's the fact of the matter
I'm a 35+ year old man now and my eyes and reflexes aren't what they used to be. My mind isn't where it used to be either so I don't want anymore seizure inducing zooming around the map at light speed clearing entire screens of mobs before you even see them kind of bullshit anymore.
I want something that's actually methodical with real gameplay that isn't ADHD color flashing fireworks on your screen where you can't even make out what's happening anymore but you cleared the entire map somehow.
I want a real ARPG.
Are there any games at all in this genre now that can fulfill that?
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>>745977017
yes it's called PoE2
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>>745948458
Yes, but done badly.
>Still no Summonmancer class
I'm sorry, but if you have no Necromancer with thousands of Boners around him: I don't fucking want it. I want my Skelekake.
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>>745977341
But that's what a late game Lich does do?
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>>745948414
shant
cant believe people fell for literally diablo 4 attempting to appeal to fromfags
the only people who actually like this shit are rmtroons
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>>745977017
Honestly speaking even if people may not want to hear this perhaps soulslop is more your speed?
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>>745977491
>Late game
LMAO.
>Lich and Witch/other class in PoE1
>Where you have to heavily invest
>And can't summon until near mid-game
LMAO LMAO.

Please see: >>745977341
>I want my Skelekake.

"Minions" are by-far the most neglected part of Bald Fucking Retards 1-2 game. Because he ironically had/has a hate boner for summon classes.
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>>745975351
They both have outrageous file sizes. I have no idea why GGG thinks I want to go through 10 "acts" before hitting maps/end-game each season.

Maybe I'm just not an ARPG Autist, but good lord that's tedious bullshit.
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>>745977645
????
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>>745977645
>he ironically had/has a hate boner for summon classes.
the mere idea of a comfy game terrifies jonatroon even though poe was meant to be played as a zoom and chill game
between that and the mega giga long acts even grim yawn feels better
the only good thing you could find in poo2 is the fact that they decided to give the many endgame activities a storyline. they know if they do that for poe1 nobody would even install 2
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>>745977017
>Are there any games at all in this genre now that can fulfill that?
PoE thread? Here comes the mogging from the superior ARPG again
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>have all these dodge roll mechanics to be a hardcore soulslike clone or some shit
>game just ends up being AoE screen clears anyway
For what purpose?
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>>745977310
What was the correct play here?
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>>745978132
Not playing a shitty coward meme build like LA to begin with. Melee is king.
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>>745978132
Not to panic roll way before the actual swing
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>>745948414
Is it free yet?
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>>745978132
have more hp
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>>745978417
It always was
>he didn't get a free key when they were being given out everywhere at launch
Skill issue.
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>>745978453
>>745978303
>>745978294
So stacked HP melee Titan is actually the best class?
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>>745978104
> 10 secs to kill a single normal mob
> "superior"
fromfaggots really are a kind of their own. im glad your shit will be purged from arpgs
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>>745978453
It's the same deal as with the monke slam, most builds are going to be OHKO'd by that attack because it hits ridiculously hard for that level, with no other defenses you probably need 450+ life and capped fire res to tank it in campaign which is simply unrealistic. The correct answer is to sidestep the gigantic telegraph and enjoy the massive free damage window you get when it backfires and stuns the boss.
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>just somehow magically know when the nonsensical telegraph is going to end even though the enemy is just swinging around like a retard with no possible indication of when the attack will occur
looks like a great game
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>+100gb
No, i don't think i will.
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>>745978652
how can poefags claim poe is good when it doesn't generate even a fraction of the cookies per second as cookie clicker?
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PoE2 is the most boring game ever made. Diablo 2 was a mistake in general.
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Is the PoE2 story at least decent? I like PoE1 up until Act V through X. Even Act IV was kinda borderline, I through III was pure unfiltered kino though
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>>745979584
it's tryhard cringe
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>>745979324
poo 2 is nothing like diablo 2 and will never be. Diablo 2 was actually good. The music, the atmosphere, the writing. Show, don't tell. All that. Poo 2 is just dogshit.
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>>745979781
qrd?
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>>745979584
For now it's basically follow the lady and her >yjk tentacle pet throughout the land as they fuck things up. The last twist with act 4 is there's some weapon to kill the tentacle thing but the tribesman took it for himself so you need to kill him for it and then we wait for acts 5 and 6 whichll probably be more following the tentacle hentai lady
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>>745979584
It's not particularly exciting, you're largely just chasing the McGuffin through a bunch of places. There's a couple of standout moments (the unique scene for Monk meeting the Dreamer in endgame blew me away) but it's largely by-the-numbers carried by level/enemy design and voice acting. At least it's better than the slop PoE1's endgame story has been getting lately where the latest threat to the Atlas is Zana's daddy issues.
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>>745979584
Its better than PoE 1 for sure. They put in way more effort this time, especially incorporating league mechanics into the game narrative to expand on the world building.
Voice Acting is ludo kino as usual, especially during big boss fights.
The playable characters also have their own history and unique narratives you get to experience when you play them, they also talk to NPCs and go back and forth in conversations.

>Opening Cinematic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbGfihd0_Q
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My 9 year old nephew is visiting and he chose to play Diablo 2 on my console last night and he chose barbarian and got as far as freeing Deckard Cain. At one point he says "this game is great" or a lot of fun i cant remember but it touched my heart to see an alpha kid try out Diablo get used to the mechanics selling stuff and distributing stats and skills and loving it. I wanted him to see andariel but he probably won't get that far since next time we play its probably gonna be a 2 player game.
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>>745980754
>letting your 9 year old nephew play an M rated game
surprised his parents let him be alone with you
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>>745980945
retard. we all did. I've played DOOM when I was like 6.
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>>745981019
Holy shit are you me?
Playing doom at such a young age is what lead me to become a computer programmer because I was legit curious about how my real world actions like clicking the mouse was able to translate into shooting imps on screen and it blossomed from that moment forth
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>>745953459
Not sure why poe2troons cant admit that diabolos4 won
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>>745980945
You didnt play Diablo 2 when you were around 10? Or at least 12?
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>>745980945
you are fucking retarded or underage. which one
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>>745981106
because your game is even shittier than poe2
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>>745981105
no lol. I was too stupid. But, because of other good video games, I did want to get into IT when I was a little older. Around eleven or twelve.
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>>745948414
I played it a bit but hate how immobile I feel. Why play poo 2 when I can just play poe or d3 or last epoch?
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>>745978104
>doesnt share the game name
colossal smug faggot
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>>745978652
>the concept of fun and engaging gameplay is so foreign to the number go up widget chasing PoE fan that he simply doesnt recognize it anymore
grim.
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>>745981105
>how my real world actions like clicking the mouse was able to translate into shooting imps on screen
So what's the answer?
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>>745979792
>>745979324
path of exile 1 is already diablo 2: 2
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>>745948535
blizzard was never setting the trend
they were always stealing shit from the getgo
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>>745981019
One of my earliest vidya memories is sitting on Dad's lap playing Blood together. Must've sucked to have had parents who slapped that copy of GTA out of your hands saying you're not allowed to play it yet because you're only 17 years and 11 months old.
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>>745948414
No, its dogshit. So is poe1.
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Why can't we get a good ARPG again like Diablo 1?
and before you say anything, I replayed it half a year ago, it was still good.
>The sanctity of this place has been fouled
>That is one BIG mushroom
>Yep that's a cow alright
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>>745981590
who were they stealing from when they made diablo? especially diablo 2? there was quite literally no other game before it nor for years after it
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>>745981713
nah it kinda sucks ass and is boring as fuck to be honest. amazing for its time, but just not fun nor interesting nowadays.
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>>745981823
Shit taste. You've been ruined by NUMBERS GO UP and flashy flashy screen clear zoom zoom go fast garbage

Back then our Claymore did 1-12 damage and we liked it
At least until we found a 4-8 damage falchion
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>>745981019
>>745981105
>>745981127
>>745981202
>nooooooooooo its perfectly fine for kids to play M rated games!
>they'll grow up to be well adjusted like me, a 4chan poster!
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>>745982046
>noooooooooo kids should obey age ratings to the letter, like I did!
>they'll grow up to be well adjusted like me, a 4chan poster!
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>>745982046
>a 4chan poster
Oh fuck he's got you there. But counterpoint you are also a 4chan poster
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Puke of Exile 2 was so bad. I don't know how anyone can stomach """deep""" ARPGs. Complete fucking waste of time and brainpower. You're meant to mow down enemies like in Diablo.
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>>745982439
>You're meant to mow down enemies like in Diablo.
But you do? What do you mean?
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>>745981823
filtered
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>>745982185
I'm not the one letting my nephew play M rated games
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>>745982531
No one wants to boot up an ARPG and end up play dark souls instead. Rollslop and MUH EPIC ONE SHOT BOSSES UNLESS YOU ROLL have ruined an entire generation of games.
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>>745973978
Yeah basically all my playtime is on controller. Makes me mad every time it's time to play a PoE1 league because controller feels much worse on that than 2
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viral marketing threads on 4chan are so lame
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>>745974857
works on my machineâ„¢
it actually does though
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I wish they could hire some insane engineer that could optimize all of the games assets, this shit isn't holding up at all
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>>745982596
>No one wants to boot up an ARPG and end up play dark souls instead.

Then why is PoE 2 more popular than PoE 1 and every other old school arpg like Titan Quest 2 and Grim Dawn.
You're just some washed up unc who can't adapt to change.
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>>745981106
because they refuse to live in reality and refuse to accept they were wrong. d4 started off shit but is now miles ahead. poe2 started off shit and is still shit.
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>>745948414
nah, no thanks
>play PooE 1, it's okay but clearly half polished, lose interest
>Poo2, looks streamlined and something like D3 but good
>it's shit
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>>745982765
And here comes the from soft defence force
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>>745974857
Bunch of faggots on /poeg/ who whine about performance got exposed for still having 970 builds.
Might be time to upgrade your 13 year old PC retard.
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>>745978586
Till they nerf the builds again. They aren't any better than Blizzard with their ideology.
>We didn't intend you to play like this, you have to play how we want it.
Another reason why always online sucks. forced patches.
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>>745983015
Fuck you corpodick sucker
Code a better game and learn how to be optimistic with your engine
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>>745981747
Blizzard North
It was a separate company in a separate location that they bought up and abolished later on.
Diablo was never a Blizzard original game.

Blizzard North was gutted somewhere after Wacraft3 released which is when the quality of blizzard started slowly plummeting.
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>>745982596
I've played mostly ranged characters and I'm leveling a barbarian gorilla now and it's not a Souls game. You people talk like if standing right here and tank every damage is the optimal way to play a Diablo game.
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>>745982765
quite literally isn't.
>>745950464
casual palworld has 10x the online players without any gay leagues, whatsoever. I get that you enjoy eating shit, but it will never be popular among real gamers. Shit eating is for the select few mongoloids like yourself. and bots. and streamers who are paid to pretend to like it.
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>>745983608
lul u got raped
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>>745983843
nigger what
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>>745978132
pretty sure you can literally just hold sprint and she can't catch you
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>>745983903
One of the first things you should do is looking for boots with movement speed modifiers. It makes bosses way easier.
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>>745981976
its not about numbers go up nor zooming around. its just boring and dated. PoE2 takes some of the slowed paced gameplay of diablo 1 and actually makes it good. but yeah, go ahead and reply with some "old good new bad" cope, ill wait.
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>>745982596
its crazy how simply the basic mechanic of rolling, which was present in so many games long before dark souls, apparently now equals LITERALLY dark souls. the overexaggerating is fucking crazy with you guys nowadays. whats next? every game that is third person where you have a sword is "literally dark souls!!!" now?
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>>745983015
maybe the jews and goynald trump should stop inflating pc part prices by 4x every month, then?
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poe2 FUCKING LOST LOL
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>>745948414
Which arpgs does /v/ approve?
>d2/3/4
>poo1/2
>epoch
>grim fandawngo
>titanquest
>torchlight
for me? it's d2
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>>745979584
the poe2 story is basically a straight rip off of D2. They got rid of the interesting lore surrounding wraeclast etc, and replaced it with a mcguffin searching story to defeat the big bad being chased across the desert. Not lying, it's literally a cheap copy of D2
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>>745984587
Broadly speaking, I approve of all of them and think most are worth a playthrough for sure. Except Last Epoch, honestly.
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>>745984669
Really? Last Epoch is pretty fun to me, only problem is the endgame getting boring but builds are fun
>>745984587
LE, PoE 1, GD
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>>745984587
>>745984839
diablo 2
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>>745978104
I can't wait to see how much content they add on release. I really like the combat in this game, but I wish the loot was actually fun or interesting.

>>745981393
its no rest for the wicked. The game has amazing cutscenes also.
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>>745962757
IDIOT.
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>>745984587
PD2
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>>745967085
>Spend whole time casting resonating shield
>"Its not a resonating shield build"
Then why are you pressingt he button idiot
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>>745948414
>melt the entire boss in 5 seconds
I dont get the appeal
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>>745978104
NRFTW seemed a bit too darksouls for my taste but the suplex has convinced me to play it. Congratulations you got me.
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>>745985136
you can always fight harder versions of the same boss. have you never played a single ARPG before?
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>>745948414
Only nazi chuds play this slop
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>>745984587
This is a SOLDAK board.
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>>745984587
Last Epoch committed seppuku some months ago.
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>>745985451
holy fucking soul
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>>745985581
did it really?
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>>745985705
Yes, they sold it to Krafton and they announced DLC Classes.
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>>745984587
i like poo1 and grim yawn the most, poo2 is alright but i think the campaign is genuinely too boring and i haven't found a skill i truly like yet despite taking multiple really far
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is there a release date for poe 2 1.0 yet? still havent played it as me and my friends are waiting for the full, free release.
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>>745986047
>i like poo1
So why are you calling it that? I fucking hate underage retards and their post-ironic sarcasm poisoned brains that render them incapable of praising the things they like.
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>>745986298
poe1 is in my opinion the most fun arpg on the market and has been for a long time, there are you insecurities placated now because i used a funny meme name
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>>745986185
Set for December this year.
We won't get the official date until Exilecon on November 7th.

They prob don't wanna overlap with GTA6, so it will either be Dec 11th or 18th.
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>>745948414
Ok.
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>>745986298
jesus christ chill the fuck out faggot. are you that autistic that you freak out over some casual irony?
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>>745977017
It's called Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance



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