When I was a kid Wolverine was my favorite character, but as an adult Cyclops is just better.
Both are SHIT. HULK is BETTER.
>Noo my glasses>Scooby-Doo, Shaggy, anyone?
COME AND GET MEOPTIC BEAMOPTIC BEAMOPTIC ...SWEEP>dash backBEHOLD... MEGA OPTIC BLAST!...I ...DID IT!DREAMS DON'T DIE!The Dream is Dead.
>>745950616When I was a kid it was Hulk. As an adult it's Peni Parker.
>>745950616they're both shit
>>745950616When I was a kid Gambit was my favorite character, but as an adult, Gambit is still my favorite character
>>745951143imbouttamakeanameformyself
Which mutant is pretty much a Jesus standin but gay since all the mutants were gays with grids standins originally? I'm that guy but not gay. Hope my powers aren't shitty.
>>745950616>When I was a kid Wolverine was my favorite character, but as an adult Cyclops is just better.why do people keep parroting this? I've seen people saying this all over almost verbatim
>>745951183There's like 20 of those. Apocalypse, Joseph, Exodus, X-Man.
>>745950616I went the opposite way. I thought cyclops was cool but now he seems like a fag
>>745951183>Which mutant is pretty much a Jesus standin but gayCable
>>745950616Remember when you could have a Canadian character and plausibly think, "he's a tough and tumble survivor from the harsh north"
>>745951478I expect the next wolverine to be a jeet given the state of canuckistan.
>>745951392They made him beigb cuck after old films, and they killed him in a third one. He got off radar ever since but i think comicfags could tell you alot abouth his downfall.
>>745951316Because Wolverine embodies qualities that a 12-year-old boy likes, wanton murder, sex, not following any rules, shuns responsibility while everyone still bends over to suck him off despite being an huge asshole, while Cyclops generally acts more mature, measured, and tries to maintain an air of responsibility to those around him i.e. he's a boring adult, except since the 00s they turned Cyclops into a Machievellan edge lord which ruined the contrast.All mutants except for like two suck at this point.
>>745951759>while everyone still bends over to suck him offNah
>>745950616When I was a kid Wolverine was my favorite character, as an adult Wolverine is still better. Cyclops is a tight assed dorky fag.
Rogue is best.>>745951846>Cyclops is a tight assed dorky fag.True.
>>745951143>Zany backstory/lore>Fun power set>Happily married to the peak Marvel waifu for 90s kidsThey don’t make ‘em like this anymore.
>>745951846>Cyclops is a tight assed dorky fag.and that's a good thing!
>>745951143based
>>745950851Based
>>745951846Magik would say that about Scott and still be his number 1 fangirl
>>745951846>whiteNot my Magik
>>745951846Actually true. People claiming otherwise are desperately trying to sound like some armchair argument about maturity without realizing the entire discussion is around comic book characters which makes them sound juvenile as fuck to use that medium to compensate
>>745953662Because growing up makes you realize that the ill-tempered violent sperg isn't cool, just annoying.
>>745951143Would of been a legendary character if it wasn't for his crippling french roots. Always made him too feminine.
>>745954841>growing up makes you unable to separate reality and fictionTrue. Kids look at wolverine and think "COOL", adults look at wolverine and think "ugh he's too loud, he smells, is he drinking right now it's 10am what a bum".
>>745953662The irony of posting this on a video game board.
>>745955329>"ugh he's too loud, he smells, is he drinking right now it's 10am what a bum"We should all aspire to be real men.
>>745955470Genuinely though. I see it this way, Wolverine would punch a guy out for catcalling his daughter or insulting his wife, Scott wouldn't. Most men these days are Scott without the good parts which is why they say shit like "when i was a kid wolverine was cool but as a hecking mature adulterino Scott is my man".
>>745955470*real manlets
>>745955643Wolverine is a deadbeat father that sired dozens of bastards, hangs out with more young girls than anyone should be comfortable with, and crept on Scott's girl for the longest, I wouldn't be using him as an example for being a respectable male figure even compared to Cyclops's lowest points, and he's had some low points.
>>745950768kek that episode where mystique took his visor, drugged him and shipped him off to the middle of nowhere was my favourite episode of evolution what a petty bitch
>>745955643Wolverine would appeal the most to posers, yes.
what do you call them
>>745955162Cajun are some of the most masculine yanks, anon.
>>745957212Booster Gold and Absolute Batman i dunno i don't read comics
>>745950616Both are barebones archetypes. Cyclops being cucked to death and treated as a giga loser while literally leading superheroes is also just another form of misery porn, like Wolverine getting experimented on for the 80th time for no believable purpose anymore.
>>745951846>post magik>insult cyclopsBegone secondary
>>745957758Cyclops got hit real bad with the disrespect from Singer and then Disney wanting X-Men in general to not steal any spotlight or moral ground from characters in the MCU. Wolverine barely made it out because he was the second most iconic character after Spidey so constantly having Jackman portray him kept him relevant in normies eyes.
>>745950616As a kid from a non english speaking country, I knew jackshit about Xmen and even then I thought Cyclops was cool. Muscled, with energy beams coming out of his eyes. Wolverine was some ugly hairy midget. I also thought xman was the name of the character and not the comics and that Cyclops was that dude since he had a belt with X on it.
>>745950616for me its rogue
Wolverine is a child's idea of masculinity while Scott is a functional adult's.
Zverb
>>745950616As a kid my favorite was Hulk as an adult my favorite is still Hulk
>>745950768>>745950768i had an unhealthy crush on kitty from evolution
>>745958359Functional adults don't care about superheroes.
>>745958359I don't think a functional adult is meant to think about genocide and juggle multiple telepaths as regularly as cyclops does.>>745958421BASED.
>>745957212
>>745950616Why do the writers hate Cyclops and Spiderman so much? Why are those two always forced into fucking retarded, bullshit storylines where basically the entire universe is taking a massive dump all over them? Why are Cyclops and Spiderman always forced with the worst girls in their respective universes (Jean Grey/Mary Jane) despite much better options being readily available or even teased for a few issues before snapping back to the bitch whose only purpose is making them look bad and suffer?
>>745958359This is a good way of summing it up
>>745958538>telepathsWhy does anyone even care about silly little brute force mutants when mind controllers exist? That's the power that can ruin worlds, get rid of them.
>>745958538>I don't think a functional adult is meant to think about genocideyou dont???>and juggle multiple telepaths as regularly as cyclops does.*playing mind games with psychotic womenand yes you do>>745958627good boys get cucked, simple as
>>745958806Because Psychics are either unbeatable, cheating, broken, transcendent mutants or the most useless faggots in the world with no in between when used by subpar writers. And either option makes them the most boring faggots in the story, the other mutant powers are much more interesting and are generally attached to more interesting characters.
>>745950616Anyone who thinks Wolverine is their favorite character would change their minds quickly if they actually read comics. Luckily nobody does.>Wolverine gets forced everywhere to the point characters in-universe have joked his power is omnipresence. He will be in Japan in his solo series at the same time he's in hell with the avengers, in Genosha with the X-Men, in Africa with the X-Force... then you decide to get away from this annoying ass character by reading Guardians of the Galaxy, but Wolverine is in space too. Hell, even outside teams, you're reading Spider-Man and he's also there. All these stories taking place at the same time by the way.>He's just there to be sniktbub and look angry, he doesn't do anything, has no personality outside of his own series.>Self-healing powers, making him the designated jobber for every team. Villain claims to be the most powerful being ever, how do we test it? Fire a beam towards Wolverine, he can take it.
>>745950616>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLfsC23idT8funny chuds are labelling x-men as muh w0kE now when it was woke in the first placeit's literally a school for special needs outcast minorities made up of multi racial misfits because normal society can't accept them as normal human
>>745950616isn't Cyclops or the Summers family basically a living portal to hell? when he opens his eyes his technically opening the gate to a dimension or planet made up of unlimited turbulent kinetic energy / force
>>745950616I used to do the same but now i learned only cyclops is the only decent mutant a d everyone else is an asshole that deserves the neck collar, specially telepaths
>>745958627Paul was a humiliation ritual but in general the point of being Spider-Man is you can't have a normal life, it's simple but effective. However, it's also highly repetitive which is why they keep escalating the retardation that gets in the way of Peter having some normalcy. Scott on the other hand is way more grounded because no secret identity, but x-men suffered some really retarded storylines in the past couple decades. That said, his love life is in much better shape and if anything, he's the one who ruins it for himself.
>>745951805That was like the entire 90s/00s which was the peak of Wolverine's popularity, where he's on everybody's team, is everybody's friend, and sleeps with every woman in Marvel, he was absolutely sucked off. Even in an event called Age of Ultron, the damn thing was practically about Wolverine. Even Spider-Man, Marvel's biggest character by a light year for nearly half a century never received as much glaze as Wolverine did back in his heyday, you really have no idea how much his character was sucked off.
>>745950616He works well as the alternate leader of the X-Men that can do on the ground operations for Professor X who is wheelchair bound but sees into the future. Wolverine is too much of an edgy hothead to be a definitive leader for them.
>>745959689The punch dimension, yes.
>>745950616BERSERKER BARRAGE!
>>745959459>a school for special needs outcast minorities made up of multi racial misfitswrong retard, it's about jews and the holocaust with two sides of jews ( messianic vs zionist ) fighting for dominance over the goyim
>>745959019Why does it seem that the only difference between a "good" telepath and a bad telepath in Marvel is just the frequency with which they use their powers to do awful things? Like is there really that much different between someone like Charles Xavier and Purple Man when both have used their powers to get women to sleep with them?
>>745950616They're both washed so it doesn't matter, Wolverine has been the same static character since the 90s, Cyclops had a bit of a character change but they it just kept getting worse and worse with whatever trash events marvel writers were cooking in the 2000-2010s, then the absolute dogshit that was Krakoa happened and now the reputation of every single X-Men in existence has been tarnished because some stupid writers decided that instead of going for the "here's why this whole thing was dangerous and should fail" went for the "it was fine actually and was sabotaged only due to outside interference". Even the goody two shoes that people like to pretend to love like Nightcrawler are now tarnished by working alongside mass murderer.
>>745958627MJ is literally the best non super significant other a hero could ask for. Supportive, kind, helpful, independent, attractive and brings in enough money that they can survive if he cant work. Other than eras where Peter isnt allowed happiness, she's an ideal girlfriend/wife.Jean is whatever, she's fine with a good writer but usually she's just Sue but worse.
Since this is the /co/ thread: I'm thinking about branching out from manga into comics. What is a good series that doesn't require me to read five other comics and a wiki to understand the plot, and has a clear beginning and end to the story. Artist and writer suggestions would also be nice.
>>745951143He got cucked like 5 times in the cartoon.
>>745960942Certainly nothing from either Marvel or DC, you want to look at literally anything but these two, Invincible is a fine enough entry level shit with a begging and an end and not stupid tie-in and whatnot.
>>745955162>Would of been a legendary character if it wasn't for his crippling french roots. Always made him too feminine.t. Jean Grey Or Goblin Queenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKVNwAytGA
>>745960942Are you ok with not knowing the origins of a hero, but the story works with just the basics, or do you need a fully self contained narrative>self contained but in a greater universe>Alan Moore Swamp Thing>grant Morrison animal man>neil gaiman sandman>entirely self contained>watchmen>Scott pilgrim>needs a bit of knowledge, but the basics and setup will do>Superior Spider-Man>Claremont X-Men
>>745960869Like FotNS or similar gritty, post-apocalyptic stories? Read Old Man Logan.
>>745950616As a kid I liked gambitAs an adult I like gambit
>>745961220Fuck meant to reply to>>745960942
>>745951143>cool voice and design in MvC>ugly voice and ugly design in RivalsAnd people will say otherwise. I DON'T understand how.
GENE SPLICE
>>745950616BEHOLD! OPTIC BLAST!
>>745951143So much Aura in a 2D sprite.
>>745950616When I was a kid Wolverine looked cool
>>745951478Bear Hugger from Punch Out
>>745950616>Cuckclopslmao
>>745950616Only the most insecure faggots say this.
>>745951759I like this Wolverinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5FlIOEPde0He found some peace
>>745961881>KWABerine
>>745958560
>>745951143Don't mess wit the Cajun!
>>745963116lol'd
>>745962590why does he have eyelashes were his brows should be?
>>745955371I'll admit I'ma retarded video game playing fuckhead. But I'm not trying to use a medium as some metaphorical bullshit to claim to have grown and g become more "refined"
>>745960869In the future, I feel like the debate is going to be whether One More Day or Krakoa did more brand damage to Marvel Comics. Like, what was worse Spider-Man making a deal with Satan to keep a perpetual status quo, or the X-Men’s Nazi hedonist phase that forever justifies the Sentinel program never being defunded ever?
>>745963558Real Krakoa has never been tried before. Trust us, when they do it again in 20-30 years its gonna work for real believe it.
>>745963558>Avengers Dissaembled>House of M>Civil WarThese are the books that basically set OMD & Krakoa(which had actual potential to be good). Joe Q, Millar & Bendis fucked 616 up real good.
>>745962645>just leaves Wolverine hanging and fucks offWhat exactly is Sabertooth's beef with Logan? Like what level of hater do you have to be to harm someone minding his own business then fly off once you're finished?
>>745960942Marvel TransformersUK has the most kino in it though
>>745963773Who's the BIGGEST Hater?>Sabertooth>Black Manta>Lex Luthor>Professor Zoom, The Reverse Flash>Dr. Doom
>>745950616When I was a kid Cyclops was my favorite character, but as an adult Tigra is just better.
>>745960942Shakara is a good one if you just want a straight forward cosmic revenge story
How much longer until the next big reset for the comics?
>>745963558>Spider-Man making a deal with SatanLike really? Did the writers not see anything wrong with this even with context?
>>745950616This game has the best Venom design
>>745964028the reasoning is because having it be a regular divorce would make Spider-Man look old
>>745964135maaan that's lame
>>745964002My best guess is after an inevitable global third world war or a civil war in murica, I don't even care about comics but that's the only way things have historically "reset", after a mass casualty event with over a hundred millions dead.
>>745960942Team Books>Claremont's X-Men>Morrison JLA>Giffen/DeMatties Justice League International >Peter David X-Factor>Kurt Busiek Avengers & Thunderbolts >Alan Davis Excalibur >Tomasi Green Lantern Corps>Late 90s JSA>JLA/Avengers >Peter David Young Justice Solo Books>Mid-70s to Early 90s Spider-Man >Priest Black Panther>Robinson Starmam>Gruenwald Captain America & Quasar>Power Man & Iron Fist>Busiek Iron Man>80s Iron Man>Batman: Year One>Bryne She-Hulk>Simmonson Thor>00s Blue Beetle
>>745964360>I don't even care about comicsThen why did you open your fucking mouth?
>>745950727FPBP.
>>745964472I meant I don't care about modern gay comics.
>>745961005Its funny too because the show plays him as if he has a reputation in the x-men as a womanizing lady's man but as far as we've seen in the show he never actually hooks up with or seriously pursues any woman besides rogue meanwhile rogue canonically fucked sabertooth, colossus, magneto, longshot, archangel, and mr sinister, yet she doesn't have any sort of reputation among the x-men.
>>745960942What interests you?
>>745964706NTA but Planet Hulk and World War Hulk are a good recommend too.
>>745964817>Planet Hulkis that like Planet Fitness? Is it some kind of Gamma Gym?
>>745964594Rogue typically replaces real intimacy and emotional connection with sex. She does this because she cant usually touch the people she cares about, so she forms false bonds with those she can, either because they are already friends (colossus), or because she's emotionally vulnerable (magneto)
>>745964919So she's a million times the two-timing cheating whore Gambit is? Thanks for clearing that up.
>>745964559Still, keep your miserable mouth shut
>>745965000Don't ask retarded questions next time.
>>745964594>western story where the woman is never takes responsibility or is held accountable for her actionsHow shocking
>>745964885the hulk gets shot into space on a one trip by the illuminati, half of which are supposedly his friends, because hes just too dangerous and had done too much damage. He lands on an alien world and goes through significant character growth and comes to terms with his new life. Then something happens to fuck it all upWorld War Hulk immediately follows up the consequences of ending Planet Hulk
>>745965028I didn't ask the question but responded to your retarded answer.
>>745964885Hulk offer 20% off for customers who buy yearly membership over monthly!
>>745964998Its not (usually) cheating, but she's a bit of a whole sometimes. Cheating implies she's actually in a real relationship, which she's too afraid to ever pursue.
>>745964919Wait, when Rouge fucked Colossus?
>>745965082So you're just an assmad faggot who felt the need to interject then.
>>745965167Piotr's skin protects him from Rogue's ability, and whenever Rogue finds out someone can do that, they end up together.
>>745965167
>>745965206>assmad faggotSaid the idiot who thinks millions need yo die because Comics are bad.
>>745964028One More Day was editorial mandate to reset Peter back to being a sad bachelor. Peter isnt allowed to be a grown up anymore, regardless of his actual age, because Marvel has decided they want him to always be a struggling teenager, with teenage relatable problems and not real adult problems or relationships.
>>745965252Y'know, I'm starting to suspect 'immunity to Rogue's ability' is just the excuse for 'writer's personal fetish ship'
>>745965474>writer's personal fetishDon't read Chris Claremont's work
>>745965473>Can't have Peter grow up>Still try to replace him as the young, plucky teenage Spider-Man with MilesWhy does no one at Marvel see how incompatible these two goals are?
>>745965371>yoYep you're buttblasted, consider fucking off back to whatever hugbox echo chamber you crawled out of, faggot.
>>745965474If that were true only mojo would be immune to her touch.
>>745965473Marvel's been downhill since he left
>>745965564>implying I think 'writer's fetish work' is a bad thing
>>745965474At least Collosus being immune makes some sense, Magneto's is some handwavey bullshit about him controlling an electron field so they technically dont touch, or some such.
>>745965576The best part is that Peter as a dad was one of the things people liked the most about the second Spiderverse movie, which just proves that if they really want Miles to be THE Spider-Man, thats how you do it. Have Petet largely retired to be a dad, and show up for the big stuff and to help Miles when asked.
>>745965139Cheating for women is vamping emotions and support as much as it is sex, anon. One leads to the other. This is why you hear so many married guys getting blindsided by headaches leading to dead beds. It's because they're getting the whore wife is getting their emotional validation somewhere else. It's cheating, and it makes Rogue a gigawhore.
>>745965647Oh. My mistake. >>745965769Remember when Spider-Man was good?
>>745965910Anon, im saying Rogue isnt cheating because she explicitly isnt in a relationship and constantly turns down people she would otherwise pursue (Gambit) because she's terrified of hurting them.
>>745964135>>745964028Marvel is just too weird to me with the whole time compression thing. Spider-Man is supposed to be the same Spider-Man from the 60s and almost every story in the main comics still happened and is still canon. There's no way you keep Peter young and maintain the status quo for half a century without stuff like deals with the devil or magic spells to brainwash the whole world. DC makes more sense to me, when things start to get too crazy you just reboot the universe and start everything from scratch in the modern era.
>>745966030So, again, she is the X-men's ultimate turned out ran-through mega whore because she will sleep with literally everybody she can bar none? Can you just type that for me so I can know you understand the conclusion we have both arrived at?
>>745966030
>>745966043Its not (just) time compression, its shifting timeline. Unless a character is explicitly tied to a certain real world event, such as World War 2 and Cap or Magneto, they are X years old, and their origin was Y years ago, with the big event being Z years ago, regardless of the current year, and you just assume the real world implications for those events have occurred.
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mvc2 introduced me to cable and he was my favorite character in that game both aesthetically and gameplay. i have never read a cable comic. i just like his big laser
>>745966197I literally said she's a whore, anon, just a less used one due to physical incompatibility with most men.>>745966217You need to be together to be on a break.
>>745966269Read Cable & Deadpool
>>745966030>and constantly turns down people she would otherwise pursue (Gambit)>I clearly see you have feelings for me and I reciprocate those feelings but I'm still going to sleep with other guys and never make it official because I'm afraid of hurting you because I can't control myself around cockWoman logic, checks out.
>>745966394Hurting him physically anon. This isnt an emotional manipulation thing, this is severe mental trauma manifesting as fear of intimacy; she replaces real intimacy with being a whore with those she can physically touch safely.
>>745950616>cyclops is boring except the times he goes evil or "evil">wolverine is genuinely stupid and hard carried by a healing factor for his really really fucking stupid behavior>jean grey is a nutter>gambit has been cucked despite never deserving it way too many times>storm is even more boring than cyclops but with powerscaling>iceman is a fag>angel is useless>nightcrawler is supposed to be about faith but is mostly just facebook bible quotesX-men fucking suck.
>>745966043Read some real comic stories. I know people have probably told you that before and then don't tell you what they are. I'll make some recommendations so you're not left high and dry. Corto Maltese from IDW Eurocomics publishing imprint, all the stories are out now.Invisibles by Grant Morrison has a few different Omnibus options available to you.Sergio Toppi has a bunch of anthology hardbacks available out there of short stories.Asterios Polyp always has a copy out there available.LastMan by Balak has 6 volumes and looks and reads great. The Arctic Marauder.The Eternaut.Any of Chaboute's joints.All of these stories have clear timelines and don't get bogged down in anything other than the stories that they tell. You might enjoy any one of these, or none at all, but it's better than trying to ask a slopfag which slop to wallow in.
>>745966238That too. But I mean, Spider-Man has had Norman Osborn as a villain for a long time, they had many fights, Norman became the leader of the Dark Avengers at some point which lasted years I think, and at this point, if you put everything together, everyone involved has to be older than 30 at minimum otherwise the timeline of events makes no sense. That's just tracking 2 characters, realistically Spider-Man has to be in his 40s if he's supposed to have experienced everything he ever did, even if you compress it so that something like the clone saga happened in one week or whatever. You can't have Peter being written as a young guy in a setting like this without deus ex machina like literal deals with the devil.
>>745950616You really just post this non-stop in different boards huh?The last time it was posted here it was 404'd.
>>745966486X-men is one of those franchises where literally everything that could have been done wrong got done wrong, and with these dogshit foundations, some of the absolute worst shit ever got built on top of that like some kind of fortress of garbage. Sometimes it really feels like people enjoyed X-men for what they wanted it to be rather than what it always was.
>>745965581>You're from a hugbox when you don't want millions dead or make a spelling error.
>>745966546Oh, for sure, I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't as bad as>character from the 70s is in his 30'sdue to the sliding timeline. The raw number of canon events for some characters is unreasonably high, and it corresponds to popularity due to prevalence. To clarify, One More Day literally didnt solve any of this, because it in no way changed Peter's actual age, it just ripped MJ out of his romantic life in order to have ~30 year old Peter suddenly act like hes 19.
>>745966521Don't worry, I did. Even with finding Marvel weird, there's some good stuff there too as long as you don't think too hard. Thanks for the recommendations anyway, some I've never heard of. Invisibles I read so long ago I don't even remember what it was about, and Eternaut has been in my backlog for ages. Another good one is Hellblazer, even though some writers weren't as good as others. Has a beginning and an end, and Constantine ages in real time.
>>745950727FIRST POST. PUNY OP NEEDS SMASHING POST.
>>745966481And this excuses her how?
>>745966486I was going to remind you that Angel can heal, but the writers forget that all the time too. At least Archangel is cool.
>>745965474I think its more that Rogue is just a gigantic slut and the only thing that stopped her from becoming a teen mother of 10 was her mutant power.
>>745967008Excuses what? She isnt stringing him along, she's been very clear about her feelings, fears and refusal. She said no. Again, this isnt me saying me saying she's some virginal epitome of righteous morality, she's pretty slutty and has emotional/mental issues that make it worse. For all her faults, being "unfaithful" to Remi isnt one of them. usually. Its comics, so its probably happened before
>>745963925Honestly, probably Manta. He fucking hates Aquaman to a cartoonish level. Sabertooth worked with Logan when needed. He's a psycho so it never sticks, but there was some camraderie there. Ssme with Lex Luthor. He's an insecure bitch but when everything was on the line, he at least pretended ti play nice. Doom respects every member of the F4 in his way and adores Valeria. He hates Richaaards!!! but its a weird kind of hate where he wants to see him humiliated not dead. Honestly, reverse Flash is probably second closest, but Flash rouges are usually pretty likeable so he stands out as a dick.Black manta, though? No rhyme or reason, just pure hate. Cuts off his hand, tortures him all the time, even when kinda rehabilitated just fantasises about killing fish and aquaman, kills his baby son for the lolz. Guy's just an unhinged negro.
>>745967009Wow its great he has healing powers. That way the next time his wings get torn off (like they get torn off in EVERY story), he can heal faster.
>>745956884did wolverine ever go after his namesake?
>>745950616at first you wanted to fuck jean and now you want to watch jean get fucked
>>745967353Anon, he heals other people. The fact I have to explain kinda proves my point.
>>745963925green goblin
>>745967324My favorite Manta moment was claiming to be black just to sic a mob on Aquaman for being racist.
>>745967393Oh great he can heal all the other mutants with a healing factor
>>745967393I know about the healing blood, I simply dont care, just like how no one cares about angel cause he fucking sucks.
>>745965647Read ALL of claremont's work.
>>745951316Probably because of the recent shit game
>>745966920Hellblazer has an end? Maybe the vertigo line has. It's been reinvented a few years back in dc dark (wasn't even as horrible as you might think, even if it does have John fagging it up a few times too often). But yeah, Hellblazer is a great read, and I know his name is often anathema to comic readers, but to me, constantine started getting real good from Ennis onward.
>>745967324Luthor achieved ultimate power and the universe was at peace. But he had to give up his hatred for Superman. Guess what happened? And that's not even getting into what he did during the TV Adaptation of CoIE.
Doesn't matter. Wolverine is the only mutant probably liked by even fans who want TMD
>>745950616When i was a kid Cyclops was my favorite X-men but as an adult... well he still is. Not only has he fucked both Jean Grey and Emma Frost but he became the heir of Magneto and lead the Summers rebellion. It´s a different story if we include other mutant teams or other heroes though.
>>745964594Forgive my ignorance, how does Rogue fuck anyone without killing them?
>>745950616Bub, snikt, lmao!
>>745967912People's powers make them immune, sometimes in ways that make sense, others in ways that are total asspulls.
>>745967970So Rogue is for muties only?
>>745950727fpbp
How much of a faggot do you have to be hate Wolverine?
>>745968031she's for anyone that doesn't die on insertion, if you'll last long enough for the 5 seconds it takes for rogue to get the baby batter out of you she'll just use the turkey baster to finish the job and turn you into a child support check. rogue is an aspirational superhero btw
>>745967970>>745968031imo Rogue's powers should only work on other mutants, otherwise it can become a bit of a headache over what even qualifies as powers
>>745968031Don't have to be a mutant, but they do need some way of negating the effect. As I noted above some, Colossus, make sense. His power changes his anatomy in order to protect him.Others are bullshit, like Magento who can just do that for some reason.One thing I dont recall is her being with any of the numerous robots that run around, but that might just be a preference thing.
>>745968170Her iconic powerset of Flight, super strength and durability are from permanently draining Carol Danvers, then Ms. Marvel now Captain Marvel, of her powers and putting her into a coma.
>>745967825>Maybe the vertigo line hasThat's what I meant. The original mostly self-contained series ended and they rebooted it in the main DC universe. The ending itself was a little ambiguous if I remember correctly he was killed but woke up at "The Long Journey's End" pub, what that means is not clear. but Constantine himself was already getting too old anyway
>>745966238>such as World War 2 and Cap or Magneto, they are X years old, and their origin was Y years ago, with the big event being Z years ago, regardless of the current year, and you just assume the real world implications for those events have occurred.It's easier to get away with it in Captain America's case since he's meant to be a man out of time anyway.
>>745968420Fair, but it makes things like Winter Soldier or bringing back any prefreeze Cap characters more awkward with time.
>>745951143"Kinetic card!""Kinetic card!""Kinetic card!""Kinetic strike!""Kinetic card!"
>>745965589Whose mojo?
>>745968676X-Men villian that runs an interdimensional gameshow world. He likes to nab the X-Men because its good for ratings. They end up winning and get to go home.
>>745950616Cyclops has 0 personality so that makes sense
>>745968249>TFW Logan was PISSED that the X-Men brought her in after that because Danvers was a friend of his.
>>745968303Yeah. Basically a crazy old loon whose entire life as a smart talking conman asshole was a fever dream and instead he's just a bum.
I wouldn't mind if more X-Men branched out away from the team/mutant drama. I know Storm joined the Avengers but I wouldn't mind a bit more.>Cyclops leads a team of Avengers. He sometimes flubs the battle cry.>Gambit goes on Lupin The 3rd styled heists.>Magik gets deep in the magical end of Marvel. Joins the Defenders or Midnight Sons?>>745963973Being Tigra is suffering
>>745969413I didnt read it, but Magik was a Sorceror Supreme candidate after Doom.
>>745950616I always liked Cyclops because he shot big ass lasers out of his eyes, which was way cooler than being a short nigga with knives in his hands
>>745969413Make Nightcrawler do his own thing and make hiw own Catholic version of the Avengersformed by him, Daredevil, Venom, Punisher and Scarlet Spider
>>745969010Cyclops has a very distinct personality actually it's just a boring one.
>Childhood is idolizing Professor X>Adulthood is realizing Magneto makes more sense
>>745969798I remember during Krakoa he had a line about inventing his own mutant religion, did he ever do that?
>>745969927>actuallyuh huh
>>745969984>Jew doing his best to ruin the world and the common man's happiness makes the most senseDamn Raimi, don't you have a movie to direct?
>>745970071It's true. His whole personality is being a boring, stick in mud, autistic control freak. What a character
>>745969798>Scarlet SpiderBen or Kaine?
>>745970249Kaine
>>745969654Yeah I think besides Doom & Scarlet Witch, Magik & Spiral are the biggest candidates.
>>745950616When I was a kid, I preferred Cyclops because he had cool glasses. I still prefer him but because he and Emma are cute together, not the glasses
>>745970312>Kaine tries to be Hardcore but the good book doesn't let him.
>>745970182>be in charge of a group of faggots who couldn't control their power when they first awakened it>and some of them still have little or even no fucking control over their power despite Xavier's Faggot School for Groomed Youngsters supposedly teaching them how to control their powers (for like half a damn century at this point)>and have attitude and personality issues as a result of their inability to do anything rightDamn, I wonder why Cyclops is such a no-nonsense control freak it doesn't make any sense!
>>745970107>spends his time hunting down nazis>americunts get angry over it because of a misunderstanding>literally design murderbots to kill him even though he saved them>>dude why is he trying to ruin us lmao?Then he just retired and everybody still would not just leave him the fuck alone. Only thing I don't really understand is why he killed JFK. Probably his worst if not only real crime, especially since it goes unexplained.
>>745951759>I'd rather be the "adult" cucked rule follower getting points from the professor than the based alpha male who is the embodiment of hyper masculinity Society.
>>745970480Well I would say him being unable to control his own power is the origin of him being a control freak, but otherwise yes, he's a very well written and unlikable character.
>>745970385What about Brother Voodoo?
Does Professor X ever try to erase that time he built mutant Israel from people's minds?Just seems like bad optics.
>>745970539>guy who secretly wants to transfer control of currency from the privately owned Federal Reserve back to the government owned Treasury>why did this mutant of a certain ancestry kill him?It is a mystery anon, must have just been a tragic coincidence.
>>745950616When i was a kid i would always pick the cool dude, but now i just pick the cutest girl, what went wrong though?
>>745970775Professor X is a proud Zionist with an Israeli son, he would never do that.
>>745970570>hyper masculinity>getting fucked in the ass by Hercules is hypermasculinity>being a massive faggot and annoyance to everyone around him, a jolly child murderer, is hyper masculinityIf anything, Wolverine is a uppity light weight who keeps trying to prove hes hot shit, he doesnt add anything other than "Please Chuck let me kill people"
>>745969798Fuck It.West Coast Avengers >Hawkeye(Leader)>Quasar>Scarlet Spider(Kaine)>Nightcrawler >Sersi>M.A.C.H.-X>QuakeEast Coast Team>Cyclops(Leader) >Tigra>Beta Ray Bill>Hank Pym>Clea>Sandman(fuck Bryne for reverting him)>Morormouth
>>745971193Legion is the Hunter Biden of X-men.
>>745970752He actually had the title already.
>>745970570Cyclops has been leading the x-men at this point for longer than xavier. He doesn't even agree with xaviers way of doing things half the time.
>>745963116this is the physique they should be going for
>>745951316Wolverine is the OG dadslop character which was cool the first 3 times he did it but by 2012 everyone was sick of it. Cyclops on the other hand got promoted from being Xavier's lieutenant to being in charge of all the X-Men led them through the most difficult period in their history, only getting reset to a loser when Hickman made everyone love mutant israel 2.0
>>745960942Metabarons, Sandman&Lucifer, Moore's Swamp Thingfor capeshit Kirby's Fantastic Four, Claremont's X-men, TDKR and Watchmen
>>745963116>Danny Devito Logan
>>745950616is it true his laser eyes are actually a portal to a laser dimension?
>>745972528The specific dimension is never officially recognized, but yes.There is a canon "punch dimension" but its only confirmed to have been accessed by America Chavez as an attack.Another theory is that his eyes are portals to Cytarak's domain, the being that empowers the Juggernaut.
>>745950616For me, it was Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Longshot of all characters. I got a hand-me-down action figure of him from my big brother, plus I thought his power and backstory sounded cool (my bro explained all that to me too).
>>745961805Capcom had the fucking sauce when they were making the Versus games, genuinely some of the best ever depictions of Marvel characters.
>>745950727I like all 3 and wish they were the faces of Marvel instead of Cuck-Man, Captain Boring and MCU Man.
>>745973258Hulk, Wolverine, and Spidey WERE the faces of marvel until the MCU. You could argue the x-men all sort of blended in together with wolverine but he definitely got the most attention.
>>745972528They've always been punch beams, not lasers but the punch dimension is from a handbook. Cyclops's powers have never been very logical>can use them to slow his descent but doesn't snap his neck when he fires>is firing them non-stop but somehow has a limited amount he can fire>pure "punch" energy but somehow don't work on his brother>punch beams but he can make them ricochet>continuously fires them because of a brain injury or a psychological need for control but doesn't let a healing mutant or a psychic fix himIn the end they just want them to look cool and not instantly kill everyone he blasts
Adulthood is realizing all muties should be dead
>>745974301t. trask
Sorry wolver-chuds. The decade is a cyclops decade, you're just gonna have to sit back and watch. Good luck on the game btw
>>745960467Who did Charles do that to?
Its funny, all these years of Wolverine trying to get Jean away from Cyclops, and its Spider-Man who is making it happen.
>>745973150>missed this skin in Rivals when I had the chance to get itI'm STILL mad.
>>745950616Test
>>745975253>Charles treated a ww2 work camp survivor who had her mind locked into a chidlike state>used his powers to make her believe she loved him>pumped and dumped, used his powers to make her forget>Legion is born out of this ordeal>that time he used his powers to have his girlfriend at the time not break up with himChuck is a very shitty guy and Mags has every reason to use that jar on his head at all times
>>745958323Imagine fucking her in her stinky asshole
>>745973150MvC1 is so pleasing to the eyes
>>745958627>the worst girls in their respective universes (Jean Grey/Mary Jane)Mary Jane's worst sins can't touch Jean's telepathic fuckery. And MJ's personality is much better. And Jean isn't even the worst telepath in Scott's life when Emma used to be an actual supervillain.
>>745975279Anyone who actually likes Cyclops wants Jean to get the hell away from him. He'd be better off with pretty much any other girl
I miss the x-men being cool heroes
>>745970775prof X is too busy making magneto relive the holocaust on the regular
>>745951143>lobotomized himself to make his powers weakerCouldn't be me.
>>745950616>when i was a short childlet the manlet was my favorite, but when i grew up i realized that scott summers is a chadchecks out
>>745975602Oh, Gabrielle Haller!>that time he used his powers to have his girlfriend at the time not break up with himDunno who this is tho.
>>745974301Inde as Rogue is going to be so weird. I don't hate it, but are they just gonna keep everything the same or is she gonna be the latina version of southern belle?
>>745973150Damn, I would trade every single modern fighting game for a new 2d fighter that looks this fucking good, pixelated look and all
Unpopular opinion. Gambit is one cool guy
>>745976208who said that?
oh man, I always had a hear attack there
>watching x-men 97 season 2>this kino kicks in out of nowherehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRIiXiDdXcQ
>>745976445qrd on gambit?
>>745950616This is not about video games. This is just another off topic /co/ thread.
>>745951143>immune to telepaths because he keeps an image of Blob naked in the forefront of his mindhe's truly /OURGUY/
>>745977518Sorry Luddite, but this is viral marketing for MvC4 being announced soon.The Game Awards 2026 btw
>>745977454>uncontrollable power, will blow up the planet>gets mr sinister to take a piece of his brain>to return the favor he leads the marauders to massacre the morlocks
>>745977786>More tagshitSHAN'T BE PLAYING
>>745970775The X-Men have excused off the top of my head:1. The Hellfire Club a cabal of elites who murder, resort to human trafficking including children and have killed mutants either for being weak or for amusement. 2. Magneto...I need not say more and half the Xmen girls have fucked him. 3. Emma Frost and half the Xmen have fucked her. 4. Apocalypse who has taken over timelines and killed members of the Xmen or mindraped them and wants to genocide everyone not in his world order, human or mutant. 5. The Shiar Empire who have genocided entire species, tried to genocide Earth and have clashed with the Xmen routinely.6. Juggernaut who personally tormented Xavier and has tried to kill the Xmen.7. Mr. Sinister who has violated the genetic code of numerous Xmen, kidnapped and tortured or murdered mutants. 8. Godzilla. I'm sorry but its really, if not impossible to see these "heroes" in a sympathetic light. Many of these alliances also happened or were alluded to pre-Krakoa.
>>745950616cyclops fans are literally just contrarians because wolverine is still more popular, he's either just "captain america but lamer" or "magneto but lamer"
>>745977918mvc is the only tagshit done right, cvs too>which is why new entries for both are currently in development
>>745977995you can do this with like 95% of the heroes in marvel. People work with the fucking Hulk and Doom. Welcome to capeshit
>>745977389>X-Men 97
>>745978105The only tagshit done right is when I tag the game in to the garbage bin because it's fucking KUSOGE
>>745977995Don't forget blaming the Avengers for Genosha getting annihilated by sentinels, despite the fact that it was another mutant that caused it and the Avengers were already busy taking on a much greater threat in Kang taking over the world and the whole thing taking place in well under half an hour.Also neglect the fact that the Hellfire Club also bankrolled the production of sentinels. The same Hellfire Club Emma was a part of, but it's always been water under the bridge if you're a mutant committing atrocities.
>>745978172Hulks not a villain and Dr. Doom has never been excused or allied with on a consistent basis with heroes. Hes killed universes and timelines and everyone knows hes a terrible person. Its just bad writing, even by the standards of Marvel.
>>745978282>/v/ suddenly hates X-Men 97what happened?
>>745978829Season 2 kinda sucks and the pacing is too fast
>>745978172X-Men have the whole civil rights allegory going on which makes them more susceptible to criticism when they do terrible things.
>>745963771civil war is the single worst comic that has been or ever will be made and unironically made manga win the hearts/minds of western youth
>>745978472I fucking hate how writers of today try to vindicate Doom in more of an antihero role. Makes sense since those writers were dorks furiously masturbating over Doom beinf better than Richards all their lives so now they want to make it legit. Doom was/is cool because he's a hammy, unrepentant warlock/artificer with a god complex that still gets one upped by a dude that couldn't care less about competition, not because he's a tortured soul.
More of a magneto guy
>>745978829Season 2 was a big step down, and "creative differences" had the s1 director leave, so its likey s3+ won't get better.
>>745978472the hulk has a rapsheet of destruction a mile long and literally tried to enslave the planet
>>745978950Yeah that was my criticism of season 1 but everyone dismissed it.
>>745965643I miss him
>>745973150>>745975775>>745977004I think MVC1 is better than MVC2 mechanically. The only tweak I would do to MVC1 is have a cooldown timer for assists instead of them being limited in number. Also, depending on the assist, the recovery time would be different to balance out the game as some assists are better than others.
>>745950727Kek you are skinnyfat and you cum on toys of children, cuck.>>745964476>>745966953>>745968043Also you usual samefag, Panpedo.Beerus officially is with Cheelai btw.
>>745980091Who's tried to vindicate Doom? He's Marvel's most consistent egomaniac.
When will it be Zemo's turn?
>>745981585I like Doom when he's a generally benevolent dictator with a hateboner for Reed that sometimes overrules his otherwise mildly evil but very selfish outlook into pure cartoon villainy.
>>745980091Dr Doom is a more interesting character these days than he was in the past. Also, I don't think writers vindicate him, they just make his goals understandable. He's in the same category as Magneto, in that people can relate, but still recognize him as a villain.
>>745981483eh it's less chaotic and the gap between good/bad is smaller but I also think it's overall less interesting. Balance aside I think tying assists to your team's characters is just more fun; even losing on demand m buttons is worth it for that. The enhanced movement in 2+beyond also raises the ceiling a huge amount
>>745950616>ultrachad who fucks a supermodel redhead and cheats on her with an even superermodel blonde vilainessor>digusting ugly stinky old manlet
>>745983075>>digusting ugly stinky old CANADIAN manlet
Does Wolverine have a jetpack? Didn't think so.
>>745983336Every time Logan gets one, Victor motherfucking Creed beats the shit out of him and steals it.
>>745951143He was fun as hell to play as in X-Men 2 Clone Wars for the Sega Genesis. Blowing shit up with cards never got old.
>>745974301i thought sadie sink looked kinda ugly in stranger things but she looked fucking gorgeous in spiderman, the darker tone of red hair suited her really well
>>745983336>jetpacks in>tells Norman to surrender >"uh...no?">jetpacks outI'm so glad MCU will never butcher dark avengers because that shit was hilarious.
>>745950727HULK IS LORD!
>>745983732We will get a Dark Avengers movie eventually, don't get your hopes up
I wish Capcom would make X-Men games again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73gvPR1SJM
>>745984363No way they get someone to match Moonstone's level of bitch
>>745978950It makes no sense why they are rushing through the story. It's not like there's ultimated interesting x-men stories to tell especially since we're approaching the 2000s X-Men.
>>745984694Everything is made for 13 episodes these days. That's why I dread a Spider-Man '94 revival
>>745984694rushing to house of m like a fiend to crack
>>745984410I wish someone other than Insomniac was allowed to
>>745951143https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trtF-jR7hPgCan't see that sprite and not hear his theme.
>>745951143I learned what kinetic and potential energy were thanks to him when I was a kid.
>>745958627MJ was great before Marvel decided they wanted Peter to be single. After that, they dragged her through the mud and did everything they could to make people hate her so they'd shut up about wanting Peter and her to be back together.
>>745950727/thread
>>745983491Full agree.
bros why are hulkfags so insufferable?
>>745986432They're power level wankers that pretend not be with pathetic "muh deep Hulk" shit.
>>745950616Well Cyclops did kill Wolverine. Quite easily in fact.
>>745977995I still am absolutely dumbfounded that they let Apocalypse and Sinister into the ethnostateEven more baffled that Apocalypse never really caused any problems until after it all went to shit
>>745988685>did kill Wolverine.huh I thought he had regenerated from a skeleton after getting nuked before this doesn't look at all worse than that
>>745988826It kinda makes sense for Apocalypse. Survival of the fittest is all of mutant kind when no mutant can die. Sure, he could've sabotaged it all, but that wouldn't be any better or worse for his worldview.
>A great war occurs between human and mutant kind>All the mutants are killed>Earth becomes a paradise.
>>745989390Can you imagine a world without mutants?
>>745960467Purple Man technically isn't a telepathHe just has some really fucking strong sexy odour or some shit that lets him have some telepath powers
>Watch the xmen cartoon >I'm acrually rooting for this Beast fellow >He seems like a nice guy >Check what's he's up to in the comics >mfw Is every mutant like this?
>>745963773They're brothers except Wolverine doesn't really approve of Sabretooth's crap despite indulging very often for a good 50 years or so of his lifeWorse yetThey're canadians
>>745989390>>745989518these scenarios never work out because whatever wipes out mutants eventually moves on to the other super beings and then the too smart people, besides itself of course
>>745989809I struggle to think of a single mutant that haven't completely botched in some way throughout the yearsMaybe Glob, unless some really stupid shit happens in Infernal Hulk
>>745989956Pure writer's contrivance to try and convince the reader that tolerating genocidal ethnocentrists is necessary
>>745964594One of the most consistent character gimmicks in Marvel is how Gambit is actually a depressive loner and the whole cool gambler thing is just a facadeMost of the X-Men being extremely self righteous cunts with a bone to pick also doesn't help
>>745990196more like common sense. It's not even like all mutants were on board with Krokoa or magneto anyway. If you don't like mutants for the problems they could cause then you obviously wouldn't like other similar beings who are really only different in name only. In many ways mutates and the like are worse because they generally breed true while bad writing has turned the x-men into a mystery box that can also flatscan. Peter Parker and expies could accidentally create a spider dynasty
>>745989060Well technically the human healing juices ARE inside the bones
>>745989060Wolverine's been killed and KO'd plenty of times in comics. He's tough to put down for good, but not tough to put down, He's been brought down by gunfire and getting KO'd by martial artists. His power has been wildly inconsistent for decades.
>>745990615>His power has been wildly inconsistent for decades.This is practically every single Marvel superhero
>>745990461you kill mutants because they make more mutantsmetahumans are made by hte same people making whatever is killing the mutantsit's like comparing a soldier to a 3 year old with an AK and an itchy trigger-fingereven that isn't a nearly extreme enough comparison since 3 year olds don't regrularly wipe out entire towns and presumably cities or even countries if they just get a good roll of the diceimagine the kid who wolverine killed that turned everyone within hundreds of meters of him into dust just by existing, but he's in NYC or something. how many tens or hundreds of thousands dead instantly?kill all mutants, before they're born. unironically. anyone who has any other opinion is a lunatic
>>745986432They aren't even close to being the worst Marvel fanbase
Is there any /co/ hero who is relatively boring as they just show up, be professional, do a good job, and then fuck off and enjoy some gardening or spending time with his dog?
>>745990264>Most of the X-Men being extremely self righteous cuntsno one asked you Squirrel Girl
>>745990461The fear of mutants works because every other method of obtaining super powers is either>regulated>intentional experimentation>being granted or taught abilities by another>freak accident with rare materialswhereas mutants manifest arbitrary powers on an inconsistent time frame, with wildly disparate potency, all seemingly at complete random. Non-mutants needs some form of external stimuli to become a threat, mutants can be fine in the morning and explode in the afternoon, with a school full of casualties.Even the Inhumans are regulated by the application of Terrigen. Unpredictable, but can be utilized in a controlled environment.
>>745990770metahumans make more metahumans when they breed and do it better than mutants. It's the same fundamental problem as mutants except they're more consistent and predictable I guess. Also the edgy ass ultimate verse is a ridiculous argument since mutant powers usually don't work like that
>>745950616
>>745990841The best Hawkeye run, Fraction, is mostly a slice of life.
>>745990954Mutates, such as the F4 and Spider-Man, don't inherently breed more Mutates. Mutants are genetic.Aliens are just aliens, even if they have superior physiology or powers.Magic can sometimes be inherited, but is more frequently learned.Tech heroes can pass down or teach, but again, that isn't random.
>>745990807which is the worst marvel fanbase?
>>745990710Wolverine's inconsistencies are more apparent because he'll get shot to shit by a squad of faceless dips and get knocked out long enough to get put into containment, then the next issue he's wading through a sea or molten metal but he's regenerating so fast it's not even a problem, then the myth that he's unkillable gets spread around despite a lot of evidence to the contrary.
>>745991190>Mutates don't inherently breed more Mutatesyeah they do at least based on how Marvel has written them up to this point. Hell sometimes it's worse than the mutants like with the F4 for example. Franklin is scarier than any mutant and Valeria has powers that randomly come and go while at base she's smarter than Reed as a child, yet people freak out over the man with frog powers
>>745991484>Franklin is scarier than any mutantwait when the hell did Franklin stop being a mutant
>>745990954>Also the edgy ass ultimate verse is a ridiculous argument since mutant powers usually don't work like thatNTA but as far as I know, mutants awaken their powers at random when they're teenagers. Someone like Cyclops could wake up one day, open their eyes, and destroy a whole building at minimum before even understanding what's happening.
>>745991484Valeria, to my knowledge, does not have powers. She has tech and magic, as she is a reflection of Doom. Franklin is also a mutant. It's possible both have been retconned.
>>745991521Krakoa because x-men writers can't keep their hands off stuff so to make a clean split they made it so his real powers gave him a "fake" x-gene so now he's just a "regular" metahuman
>>745989809Think about it like this since superhero comics have no end and you keep getting different writers eventually every hero character has a bad guy arc. Original beast turned fully evil so no redeeming him and but there's a also a clone beast from before he turned evil running around too.
>>745989956Not this one. It ends ase the happiest future in Marvel.
>>745991227Spiderman
>>745991730>Doom being based and mutants seethingMust be a day ending in Y
>tfw you're a mutie with the power to make your hair darker on sundays and now these guys are standing outside your house
>>745989809Skip any X-men stuff after Dark Reign until MAYBE very recently, that was the era where they were actively trying to downplay them in the comics so they didn’t give Fox movie ammo
>>745991552Mutant powers take build up and development to be super dangerous (or at least used to). You can also generally turn them on and off at will with few exceptions like Cyclops having brain damage or Rouge having an allergic reaction when hers first manifested (eventually got fixed). A kid just waking up and dissolving a whole city population was just edgy bullshit to try and make a point>>745991654she had powers like Franklin once but I'm not sure if it's main-line or an alt verse. Her ridiculous intelligence is also from the cosmic rays so that's arguably a form of mutation
>>745992046>tfw you're a mutie whose power is to read and you weren't killed by giant robots when you should have been
>>745961832Basedvarine looks so soft
>>745991552Mutants definitely can cause some damage though nothing like the ultimate universe example people bring up upon awakening. If however you have things like cerebro to track awakening mutants you can reduce the damage to be minimal. Education about it can also help and most mutant powers don't cause much damage with intent at least. It's like saying kill all humans because a serial killer could be born. Now I do think mutants would cause problems even with humans gone because the difference in power between mutants is vast, so now you got my hero academia except a lot more people are all for one level or stronger.
>>745992089Beast Hitler was in literally the most recent issue
>>745992046>>745992202You guys are acting like those rather weak sounding powers don't get the biggest upgrades after a whileA mutant with the power to burp on command WILL get to a point where he's just Black Bolt but he gets to talk normally too
>>745992282what about when they don't
>>745951143The real 90s trinity
>>745975625kys amerivermin faggot
>>745956884>hangs out with young girlsEven better, he is a true Chad and what all mutants should aspire to be. Only Gambit even comes close to being as based.>>745951143Based.
>>745992252True but there's still good guy beast around and current villain beast is definitely one of the better written characters in a bad era of xmen.
>>745984363they could have easily done it after Endgame but muh multiverse
How would you guys have written the X-Men so it didn't all go to shit?
>>745992927everything goes back to editorial overruling Claremont and forcing Jean's revival. Which led to them having Cyclops skip out on a pregnant Madelyne Pryor to restart the OG5 x-men as x-factor, which led to mass crossovers and painting Maddy as a villain clone because they couldn't ever make the original decision go back in the box.
>>745978829>suddenly>/v/ is one personWhat happened is that it looked like shit from day one.
>>745992898How do you introduce the Dark Avengers after Endgame?? You at least need like 5 movies before that only for Oscorp, the mutants and all the other stuff like Gargan Venom
>>745992927it's honestly impossible just due to the infinite running yet world barely changing aspect of capeshit. You're either going to spin your wheels and rehash forever or have absurd developments. Now of course making them literally everything they used to fight against is such an absurd direction that no sane writer nor editor would approve of that any dude off the street could do better just by rehashing old shit
>>745993225my bad dog. i was thinking Zemo's thunderbolts
>>745992927Like all marvel comics sack editorial and have them only there to maintain character consistency across writers. Now since it's an ongoing neverending story there will be parts were it's shit because not every writer is good and also retire characters who have run their course not just through death but give them a happy ending.
>>745992927Impossible. You can't have it going on for this long without retiring or massively changing the characters eventually. Which leads either to fan backlash or to editors fearing fan backlash, into an awkward retcon back into status quo.>>745993225NTA but not really. They just need to keep the concept but the villains involved could've been anyone, just use villains you already have and introduce others in the actual movie. Movies have already changed way more than that. I think Norman as Iron Patriot is the only thing that I couldn't see them changing.
>>745958806>that one movie whose premise revolves around the fact that Xavier can kill anyone or everyone with Cerebro and the entire world has been at the mercy of this moderate-sociopath believing extra hard in humanity the whole time>and literally millions of lives have been lost because he doesn't just kill super-genocidal villains (obvious exception of Magneto who is safe)Batman ass scenario
>>745993391oh right... missed chance really
Cyclops is a Cuck and Logan is a Chad who stoled Jean Grey from Cyclops
>>745992202>Age of Revelation>Finale>IT ENDS HERE!This screams desperation, were sales down for this or not?
>>745950727Hulk is a trans allegory though
I don't like it when Mutants get new powers that have nothing to do with their base abilities. It just makes them all bland and samey, and makes characrers too powerful that it disrupts the team dynamic that makes the concept work.
>>745993597Bro marvel sales have been in the gutter for years id say even decades especially now with complete manga domination. Even DC is destroying marvel through their absolute series. Marvel comics is in a very grim place right now.
>>745992252Beast Hitler is a consequence of the era they were trying to replace mutants with inhumans. There’s still remnants of that time rooting around that the inmates in charge of the asylum won’t let them get rid of.It’s doubly retarded because everyone knows the current status quo is a ticking clock until they need to hype up the first X-movie under the marvel studios brand and they bring everyone back to the school and mind wipe Krakoa off the planet or something
>>745993806It makes sense that Cyclops would be a better gunman than Bullseye, Hawkeye and whoever else combined, as his mutant powers require the mathematical richochet sense. Emma Frost's Diamond form as a secondary mutation is harder to explain
>>745993975>Emma Frost's Diamond form as a secondary mutation is harder to explainDoesn't make sense logically but fits with character and separates her a bit from the 50 other telepaths.
>>745992927I'm going to be honest X-Men comics were practically always bad even by Marvel standardsIt's the things like the character designs in a vacuum and non comics content like the TV show that made them good for most people
>>745994064Oh its a great change, I like that she has that ability, and it comes with the downside of being unable to use her psychic powers. It's just funny, what are the chances a telepath that ends up trapped under rock suddenly has the luck to develop a mutation that allows her to survive it.
>>745992419lmao this is like the star quarterback giving some dork a swirlie while the Stacy triplets giggle.
It's sad, Marvel Rivals treated Cyclops with respect and reinforced him and Jean being soulmates, only for spiderfaggotry and NotJean to lead to third worlders trying to tank it
>>745994064marvel fucked up with telepaths in general. They all have this universal skillset now instead of being more specialized. For example Jean used to not be able to mess with minds and was just reading/communication to go along with telekinesis. Now pretty much every telepath reads minds, warp minds, psychic link, etc. Powercreep in general has been horrible
>>745950616I didn't like X-men because they were all lame and gay. New Mutants though were cool.
>>745992927I’d have kept them in San Francisco when they were living on Asteroid-X, that was the last time they were what I’d consider good, with the added caveat that Hope Summers actually succeeded in reactivating the X-gene.Cyclops had graduated from dumbass need to general of all mutants and was acknowledged as the inheritor of both Xavier and Magnetos dreams, mutants as a whole were being accepted by the city and doing the whole autonomous nation state thing more eloquently than Krakoa could ever dream of since they were focusing on diplomacy and making mutants actually liked by the general populace, but demonstrated during Secret Invasion and Dark Reign that they were not to be fucked with when Cyclops essentially dismantled the Skrulls and Osbourne in a quarter of the time the Avengers were dealing with it.Plus it got them the fuck out of New York and gave the west cost an actual super team to play with instead of the usual B-listersBut all that got fucked up by Pearlmutter
>>745993975I'm with minor stuff like Cyclops' geometry hacks, or tradeoffs like Emma not being able to use telepathy in hier diamond form. But everything related to apocalypse's upgrades is needlessly convoluted. Also, everything with Cable, and to a lesser extent Bishop. What's even the point of Bishop using a gun when he can just absorb and redirect energy? Or character's getting totally new powers from external sources like Jubilee turning into a vampire.
>>745950616I never liked eitherCyclops' power is boring and too full of downsides, he's just bland and has little personality,meanwhile, Wolverine's powers are better, but for some ageless grizzled guy, he sure acts like a wronged tantrum child everytime something doesn't go his way.I always liked Gambit, Rogue and Xavier the best
>>745950616For me, It was Rogue then and it's Rogue now
Sex with Penis Parker
>>745993817>Even DC is destroying marvel through their absolute series.It's a real shame Marvel isn't even trying to get inspiration from the Absolute runs really. You would've expected them to start another alternate reality run just like Absolute series months ago with how it's been running for over a year now but the closest thing to a response they have is a singular Spider-Man run.......That's promised for 2027 earliest.It's not like DC wasn't doing better than Marvel on the comics department with consistent and good runs for a long time too
>>745994518Japan captured her essence perfectly, she's so much fun
>>745993975>Emma Frost's Diamond form as a secondary mutation is harder to explainEvery single telepath is required to have a secondary superpower for 0 reasonIt's just how it is, except for Xavier who gets to be the "strongest" telepath on pure telepathy power scales (not really)
>>745993918>the current status quo is a ticking clock until they need to hype up the first X-movie under the marvel studios brandIt's not like Marvel comics were ever gonna be this massive thing again, but I think comics and movie synergy crap is a big part of why the comics suck so much. When I saw the completely ridiculous lengths they had to go to in order to plausibly replace white Nick Fury with Samuel L. Jackson it was hard to keep taking anything seriously. You just know a character who was portrayed one way for decades will suddenly have their personality and backstory completely changed as soon as they appear in a movie.
>>745989956You know with the bad futures that kills all the heroes, how the fuck Earth is still standing? I ask that because the moment the Sorcerer Supreme dies, there should be some DANGEROUS motherfuckers ready to encroach reality. Like Doormarmu or Umar.
>>745976725They'll just rewrite her entirely. MCU writers probably wince at any mention of "southern" anyway.
>>745994590DC is fumbling their cinematic universe while Marvel is resucitating the MCUThen the comcis are the complete oppossite with DC whooping their assCrazy how it works
>>745994612"Goodnight, Sugah~" still lives in my head
>>745950616For me it was Jubilee. But it didn't turn into yellow fever. It turned into a 'women in denim shorts' fetish.
>>745994262the only time I've ever seen you Cyclops fags give a shit about CyclopsXJean or Jean in general is when you're whining about people shipping Spider-Man with Jean
>>745994590>You would've expected them to start another alternate reality runWeren't they trying. I remember some edgy shit where the fantastic four are satanists or something
>>745994590They're probably traumatized by Ultimate
>>745994691>DC is fumbling their cinematic universe while Marvel is resucitating the MCUI thought they were starting to do well there too, with new TV shows and their newer moviesHonestly only saw the Batman movie which was good so can't speak about the Lanters, the Penguin or the Superman movie but stillThey're also pushing newer cartoons hard this and next year which I assume is thanks to X-Men '97's s1
>>745994727comicsfag were very angry at a certain x-men runjust stick to your twitter shipping circlejerk
>>745994727Go away spidertranny tourist
>>745994642Nick Fury was one of the less egregious examples since that was literally in Jackson’s contract, though the comic they did the switch in was clearly a rush job, but it’s not like it came completely out of the blue
>>745994837>>745994846seems a hit a nerve just be honest and say you're just tired of the cuck jokes, MCU Jean is pretty much a completely different character anyway
>>745994727More like spider-cucks know nothing about a female character till they try and ship them with their self insert. Jean and Cyclops have been a pair ever since the original run, they spent years in the future as Slim and Red raising their son Nate. The Phoenix is linked to Jean and Cyclops and their offspring. Sure the dumb wolverine love triangle shit happened, but Jean chose Scott. Secondary writers that don't read comics constantly try to bring it back, much like they bring up Hank Pym and his psychotic break backhand of Janet.
>>745995141>Jean and Cyclops have been a pair ever since the original runnobody has ever disputed that they've been a thing for ages retard just that Jean and the CyclopsXJean pairing isn't popular except with maybe literal boomers.
>>745995249Source: My ass
>>745995136>MCU Jean is pretty much a completely different character anywayI agreeI'm just saying there have been plenty of times that comic book writing has upset fans and it's just recency bias with that new ship. But hey, now you're getting the engagement you wanted.
>>745995294>now you're getting the engagement you wanted.nice projection
>>745994830Lanterns seems fine so farThe Superman movie was good Is just they started off the universe with tons of B and C list characters which is really weird
>>745995076My problem is that movie Nick and comics Nick are completely different characters. Comics Nick was this ancient guy using a serum to keep young. He was a veteran of many wars, served with Captain American in WW2, he had tons of experience. He also has a ton of sci-fi spy tech. And just like Dr. Doom, whenever he lost a fight it wasn't truly him, because he had his own Doombot clones running around everywhere. Movie Nick, while also cool, is more of a regular high ranking military guy, more grounded. There was no reason to replace one with the other, since comics are comics and movies are movies. The precedent it set is that they want a normal person who watches a movie and decides to pick up a comic needs to find everything familiar, and writers will have to bend their stories in the most awkward possible way to make it happen, but to me at that point I'd rather just watch the movie and ignore comics.
Sex with Psylocke
>>745958627You hating Mary Jean is proof of how much she's been getting shit on by bad writers
>>745950616Goku was mine. western capeshit just felt mid in comparison
>>745994590Marvel's Midnight series is their second swing at it, but only the spider-man one has sone potential. Vampire Xmen sound no different than regular and body horror F4 is also not really original.
>>745995249The only competition is Scott and Emma honestly. As they said Jean and wolverine is something writers are obsessed with but nobody likes it. Spider-Man and jean won't happen in comics obviously nor will it happen in the movies so it's popularity will die.
>>745995536NuNick had his own sci fi closet of crap for the limited time that he was able to be around before the writers decided to nuke Shield again, I just mean it’s not like they picked Jackson straight out of the movie purely for synergy, a version of Fury had looked like him since the mid 2000s
>>745995587>how much she's been getting shit on by bad writersThis. Spider-Man's story should have ended in TASM #400
>>745993417>retire characters who have run their course not just through death but give them a happy ending.>fans hate not having muh iconic character around and force them to undo everything and bring him back
>>745993225You could still do it but it will be a wet fart like civil war and not even an ounce of the edge like sentry ripping ares in half or bullseye and moonstone constantly fucking.
>>745950727Based.
>>745994642
>>745995796Yeah superhero comics are cursed with the only way for a character to be left alone is death or becoming unpopular enough nobody cares enough to write about them anymore.
>>745995754>a version of Fury had looked like him since the mid 2000sThat was from the Ultimate universe and that's ok because it was a separate continuity. Nick was just one example, Star Lord is another. I stopped following Marvel but it wouldn't surprise me if Ultron now was related to Iron Man instead of Ant-Man. Again, if they're gonna make comics for movie watchers, I'd rather just watch the movies.
>>745995931Also death doesn't save them either often times but it can give a break
>>745995796>>745995931Just a Marvel issue. DC can have things begin, develop and end because eventually they will do a universe reset anyway which is a better way of bringing back the status quo. Not that they often do it right but the idea at least is better.
>>745995953>I stopped following Marvel but it wouldn't surprise me if Ultron now was related to Iron Man instead of Ant-ManThey haven't done that (yet) but probably because Ultron didn't stick around long enough in the MCU. What they have done though is contrive a reason for Hank Pym to be an old man like the movies, which is better than him being dead like he was before but still not great
>>745950616I find it funny that his laser came from punch dimension is canon, lol.Americans comics are made by fucking hacks.
>>745993597It was a short event where it looked into the future to establish stakes for an already ongoing runI don't think it was ever planned to last for long to begin with
>>745996074>fans keep speculating/making fun of Cyclops's lasers not burning or cutting>writers indulge in bullshittery to canonize the concussive force as from the punch dimension>tourists now see the writers as stupid and not the fanscomics are indeed funny
>>745996074Punch dimension is peak
>>745950727The thinking man's choice
>>745996074well that was a retcon and it never made sense due to how he and Havok's powers interacted but they fucked up so much x-men lore that you shouldn't think about it too much
>>745996298Still made by fucking hacks, maybe if they weren't obessed by OHMYSCIENCE, fiction could be just....fiction.It should be mandatory to know basic calculus, chemistry and basic phsyics before trying to make an opinion about science or get into prison.
>>745996074>punch dimension is canon,It's not though. It was never mentioned in any comic just some data book I believe and marvel rivals which has no say over the comics.
>>745950616Superhero games should look like that, capeshit media peaked in the early 90s in terms of aesthetics, trying to make "realistic" is a mistake and cringe
>>745996787Does anyone believe will ever see a ass like that in a western cartoon show for kids?
>>745995543I hate what happened and what's happening to her.
>>745994727>Cyclopsfags only started caring about Jean in the past monthYou were born after FoX-Men, weren't you?
>>745996995What happened/is happening to her?
>>745996787a new, good x-men legends would be dope
>>745997085It would be Switch exclusive
>>745997085No chance of success, to normalfags it would look like "MUA but with literal whos" because X-Men is largely dead in the non-comics media consumer's mind. Worst timeline.
>>745997076What made Betsy fun is now unmade. And what replaced the unmade are now two terrible things that appeal to no one.
>>745950616No X-man is cool
>>745997396normalfags probably never played mua either
>>745997396Just go with the approach of the first season of X-Men 97, make it 90s as much as possible and try to ignore the two decades of mahvel comics lore that no ones care about
>>745997396you can apply this to literally everything. You think people knew about black window before Scarlet Joboobson? Dangling the known to get people attached to the unknown isn't some kind of bizarre strategy
>>745997575Ice-Man
>>745995640>Spider-ManYeah it's the one I'm actually interested in, maybe it'll be good. X-men doesn't sound that interesting.And to be fair, the F4 could be interesting too. The whole 'fantastic' name and gimmick was already to battle any possible comments on their weird situation by Reed. It really depends on how far they're willing to go really.
>>745997526the body swap thing?
>>745997575Eh X-man is lame imo never liked all the summer children.
>>745996029Hasn't Alfred been dead for like 4 years now for example? Granted, Marvel also used to do things like that but rarely. Like Bucky being dead for decades before being turned into the Winter Soldier
>>745950616Wolverine lol
>>745996627It was canonized by one of their newer superheroes called America whom everybody actually hates because she's all the stereotypes of muh stronk wimmin superhero doing everything better while being sassy and shitYeah Marvel isn't doing well
>>745998117The raped
>>745977786>MvC4>The Game Awards 2026 btwdangerously based post anon. retards will cry out>buh wha about TOKON?! Two marvel tag fighters can't co-exist!While Marvel are totally fine whoring out the IP to many different companies in the trading card space for instance. it will likely be multiplatform w/ crossplay and maybe even target next-gen. I cannot wait.
>>745998145No they canonized the dimension itself but not his eyes being portals to it that is still fanfiction/ marvel rivals.
>>7459980897 years already actually. Batman in the comics does have a supporting cast larger enough Alfred isn't strictly necessary.
>canonthis word has lost all meaning, stop caring so muchScarlet Witch has gone from mutant to not a few times
>>745998286Right, but it's never been stated outside some shitty handbook and marvel rivals that his eyes are Portals. If you ignore canon completely then everything becomes shapeless, so you might as well write your own story.
>>745975625When I was a kid I used to imagine sodomizing Rogue, but as an adult imagining sodomizing Cyclops is just better.
>>745977786>but this is viral marketing for MvC4 being announced soon.Infinite was bad enough I don't want to see what another one would look like
>>745998542you don't want a tag fighter with the WEG art style?
>>745998663Why can't 3D fighting games by the biggest fucking companies have good looking models and consistent art design EVER? The game has to render two fucking characters and HALF of 1 room, and they use this amount of resources to make disgusting mutated freaks instead of good looking characters, consistently. What's happening there, why is it this way?
>>745998208>Two marvel tag fighters can't co-exist!More like they SHOULDN'T exist. Tag Fighters are garbage.
>>745998542Infinite was almost 10 years ago anon let it go.The collection has SOVL and Disney has been reportedly hands off for Tokon so I would expect the same for MvC.>>745998663>muh REEEEEEE enginealready proven to look good in monhun stories 3 and in the future Okamige 2. The likelihood of Capcom doing another MvC with realism is so low it's not worth considering.
>>745950616They need to give Cyclops more eye related abilities then he could be a popular as Wolverine.
>>745950616Thank god I grew up with shonen manga
>>745998987That's my reason for not liking Cyclops. It's not his personality, his power is just ridiculously one-dimensional. Smashing stuff real hard is like Storm using 5% of her full range of effects possible with her superpower. Gambit sandbagging constantly by throwing the least useful throwable items to detonate is somehow a more interesting take on a "just blasting" powerset than Cyclops, which is crazy. Wolverine being able to destroy stuff isn't even his fucking power, it's 6 knives made from special hard metal that no one else wants to carry for some reason. A dude with a gun can kill the same people as Cyclops for the most part. Any MUTANT with a gun has functionally more range of ability than Cyclops.
>>745997009NTA but there is some truth on what he said, because for years in here and outside of this website, i have seen cyclopsfags preferring Scott and Emma, Scott and Rogue (due X-Men Evo) than Scott and Jean, the only times they make fuss about it is due Wolverine being with her or someone else that isn't Scott.
>>745950616Don't worry fan of Cyclops, Marvel is going put him for another millennium of humiliation and turn him into the Potential Man of the MCU.
>>745958359Both are faggotsFunctional adults comprised Xenophon's ten thousand, Genghis Khan's hordes, and the Royal Army in the 19th centuryModerns are just perpetual children by comparison.
>>745999768>and turn him into the Potential Man of the MCU.nah they cast a faggot as Cyclops, Cyclops is going to be gay in the MCU
>>745999768but shang chi already exists
>ways to improve a character starts with a power buffI hate shonentards so much it's unreal
>>745950616both are cucks lol
>>746000776name one capeshit character who hasn't been cucked
>>745950616>When I was a kid Wolverine was my favorite character, but as an adult Cyclops is just better.you grew up and became an adult who realized responsibility matters not sheer chaotic hedonism
>>745950616E
>>745999318That's also why I don't like Wolverine. Nothing he does that can't also be done by someone with a knife. Except the healing factor, but many others have that too and frankly, it's wildly inconsistent anyway.
>>746000809Magik
>>746001352>cucked out of her big bro by some jewish whore
>>746000809Probably some kid or robot who never cared about sex
>>746001352>cucked out of her waifu by her own brother
>>746001410>>746001642Cucking now means two people in your general vicinity have had sex at some point either forward or backward in time
>>745950616facts
>>746000809Black Cat is the Marvel Universe's bike
>>746000275Nobody cares shang chi, Cyclops is expected to live up his status otherwise he will a cuck like in the Fox films or Megumi of MCU.
>>745950616You have to admit the "more recent" reveal that his eyes are lasers, but a bunch of mini fists firing out his eyes from another dimension is fucking retarded.You don't need to explain or improve fucking laser eyes.
Late to the thread, but War Machine.
>>746001793That would be She-Hulk.
>>745996787>we were so close to get a game with old comics artstyle, but Marvel pushed them to turn it into modern animeshit
>>745993215i'm glad i'm not the only one schizoally disappointed by rogue in xmen97it's just not the same with the artstyle and proportions they used
>>746002109Off the top of my head she has>Wyatt Wingfoot>Juggernaut>John Jameson>Iron Man>Thor>Jack of HeartsBlack Cat has>Spider-Man>Daredevil>Wolverine>Luke Cage (allegedly)>Batroc>Puma>That thief lady whose name I forgot>Some other forgettable woman who turned out to be a villain>Other various women during pride specials
>>746002313I was mostly fine with it until GrandMagnetoThen the writing with him made me not bother with season 2
>>746001239That's literally Warpath. He has two vibranium knives that's about as good as Wolverine's claws, but he's also physically superior to Wolverine in every single way by a decent margin, but because he's not popular, he can't be shown being better than Wolverine at his own game.
>>746000809The more comics a character is in, the probability of them being cucked, sent to hell, revived, or reimagined as a black grocery store auntie approaches 1
/v/:>"Capeshit is such a joke lmao fuck capeshit"Also /v/:>a /co/ thread that hits the bump limit
>>745960942pretty much all of alan moore's stuff is self contained.chris claremont's xmen arc is the one that gets referenced in everything and it's pretty much a clean break from the original 60's comics the maxx is unbelievably kino. chronicles of HATE is from one of the best warhammer artists drowntown is by the guy who did the dota comics you can also never go wrong with heavy metal or 2000 ad and of course /ourguys/ sam & max
>>746002640contrarians be contrarianifying themselves into a contrary corner
>>746002640/co/ is already deep in its patterns and has a culture of Knowers already.You can look at a comics thread on /v/ for the wild west of insane takes and varying levels of Knowing. It's more fun.
>>745960942the goon
>>746002640the premise and designs of a lot of capeshit is cool. The source material of capeshit has also been complete garbage for at least 15 years and commits the cardinal sin of making (you) the fan feel like a complete jackass for caring.. Multiple things can be true at once
>>745960942Reading almost anything from the Big Two will require you to accept the fact that they will reference things that you may not have read. 99% of the time the pertinent information will be soft recapped anyway and so it doesn't actually affect the story. If you're jumping into an ongoing the current status quo will probably be different from what you expect from other media, you'll just have to deal with that and pick up how things are based on context. Once you get over that mental hurdle you can basically start with anything
>>745950616I like Wolverine, but he loses cool points whenever he tries to pull ntr shit. he should go for Jubilee prime pussy instead of Cykes' sloppy seconds
>>746002640i dont see no cape, bub
>>746003127you'd think he'd be all about that since he's a massive weeb
>>746003774nu-writers don't like to rummage through his nip lore and his other waifu. They love the jean triangle because it's easy dumb drama
>>746002230yeah it's a shame the comic shader on the classic costumes looks really good, but maybe it's for the best since either way Sony was going to butcher it with there PSN and anticheat and other assorted bullshit either way
Hawkeye is unironically my favourite Avenger
