What everyone expected:
Battlefield with a CS loadout buying system

What everyone got:
Squad + some Tarkov with a CS loadout buying system

the main mode is extremely boring
weird ass bugs
performance off the ass

the gunplay feels great but god everything else feels like a detriment

just make a slower battlefield clone oh my god why is this so difficult
not everyone wants to play extraction adjacent shit that is for sickos only

>Spend all your budget on marketting and paying influencers to shill the game

>decide to raid enemy fob
>buy ied and head out
>enemy fob seems completely unguarded
>go up to fob and start hacking it
>enemies up in tower start shooting at me
>plant ied and run away
>call it and blow it up
that was pretty fun

>>745954535
Its fun

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>>745954535
So, based on just looking at the trailer this is Planetside-ish?
Three teams fighting over area? With some light cs economy mixed in?
Or am I off the mark?

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>>745954535
too casual for the sweats, too sweaty for the casuals.

>>745954535
arma already exists and is not fun
we did not need an arma knock-off

>all three factions are allegedly identical
>yet somehow green one always wins
>no, really, I haven't seen a single match anyone but the tram green win
>even when I'm in it they win

>>745957920
It's ArmA's king of the hill with tarkov elements
If you've KoTH you've played 50% of the game

>>745958103
That's disappointing. Surprised no one has made Planetside but real world yet.

>>745958091
Bakurani is red/green sided
Ozeti is very not green sided

>>745958320
Tarkov invented inventory

>>745954535
eh, it was never wrong.

>>745954535
>gamemode is kinda boring and incentivizes hiding in a bush and sniping/spotting
>""""MASSIVE MAP"""" but the actual combat area is relativley tiny
>game acts like it wants to be squad where comms are key but in reality a lot of people don't engage with it at all and it changes nothing.
>tarkov inventory system for..... reasons? It adds nothing and death carries very little penatlies to begin with
>no roles, so unless you go out of your way to be a specialized role, noone will
>Squads don't matter. Squad Leaders can't create squad spawn points (like rally points in squad) and they can't call special supplies into the field (like in Battlefield). There isn't even any Squad to Squad comms
>crate supplies are a joke. Yes I do want to buy one stack of every ammo and hope that the retards i'm dropping it on buy it! If used for FOB supplies, you're hardly breaking even with the drop
>pallets are actually a lot better with ROI. But if your teammates are too retarded to understand that they gotta hold F on them? No money for u.
>FOB building in general can either be death maze 50000 or "we built 4 walls around it and then left it immediatley once we started getting mortared
>no veichle limits means that there can be more helicopers than people needing helicopters. I have to become an indian taxi driver and park my ass literally where we spawn, otherwise they'll jump in some other fuckass' heli and I get no money.
>It also means the team with the richest players can just shit out tanks until they win
>having 3 factions means you're a 34 man team fighting against a 68 massive blob of enemies. I'm not looking at faction colors, if he's not on my team he's getting shot. Besides, the map is small to begin with, not like I can contest different areas
>Ozeti is literally just a rehash of Bakurani but with a stadium and no train yard.
>winning isn't important. As long as you end them match with a postitive bank account gain, nothing else matters.

>>745959779
the people most buckbroken by this game appear to be logitards who wasted their money on ammo in crates

>>745959779
>driving sucks balls. You can barrel roll 3 times because you hit a small pothole
>flying is super easy, but attack choppers suck (atleast the minigun and rocket little birds. Literal wastes of money. Minigun little bird cannot take down a Huey)
It's a game you play with your discord buddies while on call and do spec ops together. You're not really working towards winning, you're just shooting stuff and pretending you're making a difference.

and best of all
>40 bucks at launch
>Early Access

lmao

>>745959779
>It also means the team with the richest players can just shit out tanks until they win
Had a round where red team tried this, they had like 5+ tanks in hz
They lost, very embarrassing
>Ozeti is literally just a rehash of Bakurani but with a stadium and no train yard.
Vanta Black Giga-Coal take

>>745960061
until you unlock hueys or urals, that's all you can transport. I expected this game to require logi, atleast to a degree, and it mostly doesn't. Hell, sometimes it's more fun when nobody builds FOBs and it's all mostly boots on ground. Besides, airdropping resupplies is a cool thing in concept. But to interact with this feature, you need a degree of coordination and teamwork that just isn't present. AND it's a net loss most of the time.

>>745960191
>Vanta Black Giga-Coal take
they're both shit maps. It's simple

I keep confusing this for Warhounds. FUCK

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these que times are ass

>>745954535
So is this MAG 2 or not?

>>745960534
and alt tabbing CRASHED THE GAME.

>>745960620
no that's Delta Force

>>745955420
god damnit.
unwishlisted.

>"hmm everyone loved when BF2042 did that freeform class thing..."
>"we should copy that for our game and make the players pay for their loudout every life!"
really now

>>745955420
>CS loadout buying system
No one wants this garbage

>>745960970
Why did battlefield fail again?

>>745960970
Battlefield Hardline did it well and then none of them copied it

it feels like no one learns literally anything from anyone else in this fucking industry

>>745961104
because dice are hacks, but when they allowed freeform classes that could use any weapon on any class, it became a lot worse

>>745961152
yeah but in Hardline, you just pay for the unlock, classes are still locked and not every class can use any gun. And money isn't spent while in a match for every action you do. It's always a positive thing, so doing the objective and teamplay just earns you the most money which incentivized to do it.

Its pretty good imo. Performance is way better than any recent fps, it runs great for how big the map is. Gunplay is good, flight physics are engaging. On the autism spectrum it sits at: battlefield-hell let loose-war dogs-squad/arma. You can teleport to the circle every ten minutes so theres way less downtime than a lot of footage would suggest if you are not a complete shitter. The only unknown for me is how much fun it will be once people have unlimited money and how dire the cheating will get.

>>745960970
WHY DID THEY MAKE THE CASH PERSISTENT
JUST MAKE IT AN IN MATCH THING AND LET PLAYERS UNLOCK SHIT WITH XP
OH MY FUCKING GOD TARKOV IS A FUCKING BLIGHT ON THIS INDUSTRY

>>745961410
don't forget that every major update, you are reset to level 0 and no cash. Be sure to cash out your gold bars lol

I didn't get an invite. Looks cool though. I don't much care for the money thing, though. Could take it or leave it.

>>745954535
it feels like battlefield bad company 2, which was my favorite BTB vehicle based shooter

I like it a lot so far but they definitely need to shuffle around the unlocks
>unlock sniper shit super early
>unlock armor and anti-tank/air stuff obnoxiously late
snipers and helicopters are terrorizing the servers because people don't have the stuff to counter them unlocked

also they REALLY need to let you create preset loadouts to purchase instead of only doing "rebuy last purchase"
people (myself included) spend way too much time in the main base buying shit

both playtests I play 4-5 hours on launch and have fun, skip a day and now I feel like I'm way too behind people who grinded all day so don't feel like logging back in, it's gonna be reset anyway

>>745961954
once AA is up, being in a heli sucks balls

i was in 2 matches where the enemy had 3 SAM sites. Very fun since you start with 2 flares and have to remember to buy them every time. Idk how helis are terrorizing people. You unlock attack helis super late and they kinda suck if they have driver mounted guns

oh another thing, having to stop participating in the combat every 5 minutes to pack magazines is retarded and feels like a chore considering how often you have to do it. loose ammo and mag packing works in Tarkov because you don't usually shoot that many rounds throughout a raid, while in this game you are shooting all the time which means you're constantly stopping to pack fucking mags which SUCKS

>>745962342
>oh another thing, having to stop participating in the combat every 5 minutes to pack magazines
Carry more or play less like a bitch.

>>745954535
going to be dead in a month

It’s crazy they didn’t implement loadouts. Glaringly obvious flaw.

>>745962453
this is what you have said about every game released for the past 2 years anon

>>745956551
the fact you cant spawn at a fob is so braindead, number one thing i hate about the gameplay loop

>>745962419
he's not wrong though, when you start playing you already have little space to spare, let alone space for extra mags. You kinda have to rely on topping up mags until you unlock bigger backpacks

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>>745962521
at least you can buy your previous loadout

>>745959779
the roving sections of 15+ people really killed any engagement I had in this game

>>745962521
yeah if they don't have a custom loadout menu ala COD by the time the full release drops than I don't know what crack they're smoking

>>745962419
it might be less of a problem in the full game but right now I constantly see people scrounging for ammo on bodies because nobody delivers ammo dumps to FOBs, so if you run out you're stuck wandering around looking for bullets like a homeless person
>play less like a bitch
I want to run in and kill people but at lower levels with the shit backpacks when you use something like an SMG you're fully out of ammo after killing 5~ people assuming you don't waste any ammo
>carry more
I'd love to but all the decent backpacks are level gated

Does anybody understand what the hell the inventory in the main menu is? My guess is that it's leftover from when this game was an extraction shooter

Every shooter game needs Tarkov inventory. It is just more fun that way.

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>want to unlock the car with machine gun
>need driver level 8
>no people to transport for exp as they all do the smart thing and take the chopper
>can carry 1 crate with materials
>get 500 exp from delivering that to a fob
>and it only too 5-10 minutes
>now i just need to do that 300 times more

it's good and will likely be a big success

>>745963002
they should definitely increase the rewards for being a logistics slave since currently absolutely nobody wants to do it outside of doing it to level their roles up

>>745963002
crates are so fucking trash for logi runs.
Pallets are better, but you need a huey or a ural and guess what you gotta do to level them up. Thankfully, I enjoy flying helis so I got those quite quickly, but when the spawn APC arrives, nobody wants to ride on the chopper anymore and I get shit profits.

they could've added ANY KIND of personality to the pmc factions but they cheaped out and everyone has the same everything, oh well

>>745962769
when I run out of ammo I just sprint at the enemy screaming to come fight me

>>745963002
Blow up your own spawn vehicle and then drive it into the zone, you get exp for everyone who spawns on it, and assists for their kills

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>buy a car
>everyone gets in the car, running past helis
>drive car into the portal
>subway surfer minigame for everyone in the car
>car pops out of a random portal just outside the big circle
>depending on how good you do the minigame you arrive 50-70% the speed of a heli

>>745963696
bro?

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>>745963002
>want to try being a logistic slave
>no chinook
ahh well see you next year.

couldn't the crates/pallets just have a parachute attached to them?

>>745963851
Couldn't you just fly better?

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>>745954535
>WarDOGs
>Can't play as dog
What are we even fucking doing anymore?

>>745963964
I do, I just don't see why they shouldn't. In a game where I gotta buy my own parachute, I can't buy one for my supplies. Right

>love me some milsim
>but hate dying and respawning all the time
>in hll i drove the tank, got the stay alive for long periods
>haha time for wardogs
>ok no tank, shit
>we can fly a heli i guess
>works most of the time, going back and forth as transport
>until early game is over and the spawn vehicle drops in
>now i can help build the fobs?
>lol no everything has been built
>take this rifle and go get the hotzone

Has the blue team won any of your games, anons? Because I have yet to see it.

>>745963851
you don't need to land to drop pallets off

>>745964213
I am aware. But I gotta lower my speed or else it destroys on impact. And also need to be below 90 meters (for pallets) or 60 (for crates). If an enemy is camping the FOB with a rocket launcher or the enemy has SAM sites, I'm a sitting duck.

>>745964071
heh, lil' expie

>>745964212
Once on ozeti

>>745964175
the APC making heli troop transport redundant pisses me off so much. I love doing squad drops but why should they bother? Just use the APC and you're there in a second. FOBs get abbandoned the second the enemy has mortars up anyways and since i'm airdropping supplies, I can't even use them to farm my "supplies deposited" bonus money.

>>745955420
Funny because what I expected IS what I got and everyone above is secondary.

>>745964770
if you expected shit, you got shit
congrats!

>>745954535
Ukraine Simulator

>>745964423
there is a 10min timer between uses tho

>>745954535
even at the highest mouse sensitivity with (((acceleration)) enabled the mouse is still slow

>>745965640
Staying alive for 10 mins isn't that hard. Just camp and spot for a bit. You earn fat stacks like that anyways and everyone wants to be the american sniper with a rangefinder and a mosin atop a tower anyways.

>>745954535
streamer bait.
Unless you're part of a friend group that can squad up regularly, it's essentially just temu Arma.

Wait for Arma 4, at least then there's communities you can join

>>745958320
Planetside actually working was a miracle in itself that no one has been able to reproduce yet. Reminder that you could have about a thousand players on the same continent (map) on PS2 without it breaking.

>Heard that the game is well-optimized
>On low settings the game is literally unplayable you just can't see enemies in the bushes, plus there's insane ghosting.
I miss the days when low settings in games were actually playable. These days, low settings look like they’ve been pushed to the point of absurdity, like all those videos where people try to run games on really old hardware by disabling half the game’s features through the NVIDIA control panel and all that.

>>745965845
>Just camp and spot for a bit.
Yeah let me just do nothing fun for 10 minutes before I join the battlefield

>>745965968
Arma and its community sucks hot sweaty ass
Fuck off retard I don't care how many IEDs you took to the face in the sandbox I'm not gonna larp being in the military heirarchy with you, we're playing video games, move on with your life.

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>>745964212
Yeah boi

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>>745963378
tbf this is a modern FPS issue, creative factions are almost never done anymore (Including in single player games). Hell in most games you don't even have generic characters it's all custom characters or "hero operators"

>try to do a fob build run
>match starts, grab fob and drop in on heli
>place fob under a tower and build a wall just around that part of the tower
>suddenly all building materials are gone
>some retard has placed walls all around the goddamn area
why wall in the whole area?
just keep it tight around the base of the tower

>>745967520
Would you like to hide in your tiny cuck cube while the enemy is outside?

games like these always feel like you have no impact at all, its just random who wins
had a bit of fun with the alpha and beta but cant see myself playing this game as my main game at all, its just team death match in another flavor, zero innovation, nothing it does it excels in, everything is just average

money too easy to gain, money feels worthless, i can buy everything i want every time i spawn without trying to make money or go cheap on kits

helis shouldn't tank a fucking rocket, that's all I have to add

>>745967821
it would be a lot more interesting if people were incentivized more to actually fight over hotzone. People just wander wherever, no battlelines or nothing. Just scattered pockets of brief gunplay

>>745966310
so? you get money by camping. That IS the game. You're playing the game. Besides, never said that's all you had to do. I guarantee you you'll get more kills than if you went out to actual battle, i've been killed by some nigger camping in a bush more times than I can remember.

>>745967881
the flares should just work desu
little birds also can't tank even a single hit
hueys can tho

>>745968146
>you get money by camping. That IS the game. You're playing the game.
bad game then

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game became considerably more fun after unlocking the tank. With that said the player count needs to be increased to at least 40v40v40

>>745964212
Maybe once. The fact that tons of retards tend to join team blue, the issue is that blue is inherently disadvantaged with very visible uniform colors compared to the black or green ones from the other factions and they get especially fucked in the ass for having a south HQ because they inevitably get sandwiched by the other factions due to the retarded West/East/South layout which leaves the north mostly empty and as a result gives both east and west teams less flanks to care about. I have no idea why these retard devs thought this was a good idea instead of properly going for Northwest/Northeast/South HQs to give every faction an equal space to move around in.

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you did buy at least 1 (one) gold bar this weekend, right?

>>745968564
it should just be 50v50, there is no reason for it to me 3 teams, it adds nothing and the map isn't big enough to have relevant territorial control. IF it had multiple control zones, then yes, it would make sense for multiple fights to be happening at the same time over different areas. As it stands, it's a big moshpit where I just shoot anything that doesn't show up on my minimap, doesn't matter the color.

Isn't this just Arma KOTH with squad base building?
I'm going to try it after work today, the idea sounds awesome but demanding 40 bucks for it is pretty crazy.

>>745968561
i imagine it's pretty fun to drive a tank when no one has anti-tank weapons

>>745954535
The driving is actually so fucking horrid I ALT F4-d and uninstalled the first time I drove a truck. I don't understand how games like this can fumble something so easy like that

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Oh great, I don't get to hear ahmed yell allahu ackbar now.

>>745969247
all of my matches were dead silent, i wish people actually used voip

>>745968710
yes and its jank as fuck with subpar gunplay and tarkov armor

>>745966045
Planetside was a miracle, and planetside 2 was a pale immitation (though still somewhat fun early on). Since the technology to make planetside as PS1 envisioned work, I really don't know why no one has tried anything like it. Probably would suck ass and be monotized to hell and back anyway

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>>745969247
got that message a few times
only ever heard people talk in helis
i just use the emote wheel for fun

>>745965968
This. Its arcade streamer slop.

only fun to be had in this mess is sitting in a bush with an svd

People are so focused on making giga-FOBs that the second an enemy squad decides to raid them, no one knows how to react when they're under attack. I had a match where Blue hijacked Red's FOB and the game was an endless meatgrinder of Red trying to retake their base from Blue while Green got ignored

>>745969847
PS1 had a subscription model which wouldn't work today so it would have to be monetized to hell and back. Yes, it was the better game with an actual vision and strategy unlike planetside 2 which was released too early, mostly as a means to get the forgelight engine going before sony kept making everything they could to ruin SOE.
A battlefield on steroids they said, indeed that's what it was because there was no real point in winning the fights unlike in PS1.
Still mogs anything out there in terms of scale though.

Both maps in the playtest are a snipefest. It needs more dense areas with shorter sightlines. Other than that I'm having a great time with it. I could never get into milsims but this one is casual enough for me. Flying the heli is fun

>>745955457
>the gunplay feels great
LMAO

>>745970153
Subscription models are still used, albeit in an altered fashion. F2p with optional "premium" sub for any number of benefits is pretty much the same idea. The worst possible implementation is hiding most of the good content behind paywalls. Imagine every cert costing real money, or having to buy your way into the caverns. Or worse yet, war thunder style where anyone with lots of extra scratch and a willingness to blow it on pixels can now pilot their very own BFR. I don't think we'll ever see a PS3 anyway, but who am I kidding I'd still play it regardless of how it's monotized

The voip connection issues were disappointing. Shittalking someone as they loot you is too funny

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funny map name

>>745971263
Tencent bought the rights to the licence like 3 or 4 months ago. Whether they will do something with it or not remains to be seen.

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>>745966108
low settings is cheating

>Assault is killing dudes
>Medic is reviving dudes
>Recon is spotting dudes
>Support is building
>Pilot is delivering
>Driver is suffering

>>745971562
>it's cheating to want to be able to see shit and not have everything covered up by ugly fake shadows
I'm a proud cheater.

>>745971839
at the very least they could make the tapes take no space in your inventory and let you play a lot of them as you drive back and forth

Got some 1 viewer streamer to call me a cheater because the netcode is so insanely bad. I watched it back from his pov and I saw him before he ever saw me when I was house clearing.

Have the devs said if progression was sped up for this playtest?