all for the low low price of $1800

It's just a Quest 3.5 with a price of premium headset.

>>745955409
it's specs are significantly better actually, but it's still going to be a ripoff

>>745955319
tyler said it would cost more than the pico swan, which is $2500, it's DOA

>>745955409
>no depth sensor
>only black and white passthrough
But:
>eye tracking
>possibility for face tracking, rgb passthrough and depth sensor module

i miss kemono for blender/sfm porn very much

>>745955749
what I want out of the expansion port is those liquid crystal lens varifocal+corrective inserts they patented

>>745955156
if it ever fucking comes out maybe

why the fuck is it taking so long

>>745955857
most of it should be on pawchive.pw
no replacement for coomer that I know of however

>>745955575
tyler mcnigger can suck my tinky winky dick

>>745955156
as long as VR is hundreds of dollars it will always be dead. VR needs to be sub $100 for the normies to invest into VR.

>>745955875
reviewers get it starting this monday, tune back in on the 7th for review, price and lottery

>>745955156
Right now VR needs more open source standards for things like SLAM tracking, controllers, etc..
If Valve ends up contributing heavily to Monado, then I can see this pushing VR out of the toxic, Shartphone-centric bubble of 2010s VR, otherwise it will just be another headset. Valve's own Linux efforts have effectively been replaced by Monado, since they still haven't upgraded Linux SteamVR from a one-person hobby project and most of Valve's own software tends to be kind of shit when compared to what they've managed to do with existing projects.
It's good that the Frame runs Linux and doesn't use Poodroid, but standalone is unsustainable cancer as seen by the indefinite delays associated with needing to cram a pointless, fixed spec ARM brick into the headset.
>>745955857
Depending on the platform, there are alternative sites that have attempted to fill the gap.

>>745955156
Only people who are deep into VR Chat are going to care about it.

>>745956000
Are you saying that it's in 2 weeks?

>>745955156
for the 12 people buying it?

>>745956173
Basically, yes. At least that's what we can piece from the leaks.

>>745955992
Parents of young children also do not want to strap a sensory deprivation box to their faces. If your child falls or gets hurt, you’d have no way of knowing. Maybe the next gen of headsets can have transparent audio like AirPods to put them at ease.

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>>745955575
>tyler said

>>745955575
sneedclave

>>745955925
>>745956438
that's the joke

>2160x2160 LCD
lol no

i'll ask gabe to make a tethered hmd version without inside out tracking or a cell phone board for white people with lighthouses and controllers already

>>745956558
just get a dream air

Doesn't matter how awesome they make VR goggles. There are still almost no games. There's like only a handful that are kinda good. The rest are overpriced and short tech demos.

>>745958170
I'm expecting a mk2 to announce any day now.

>>745958285
yeah this is the problem
meta bankrolling what is essentially extremely low quality mobile slop for YEARS ruined the fragile industry

>>745958407
True, but it will be announced for in 2 years, take 1.5 years longer, then ship half-baked

>>745958505
Pimax release headsets within 6 months of getting the idea, apart from the 12k

>>745958625
lol
dream air was promised to ship 6 months after announcement, and shipped more than a YEAR after that date
and it was once again a qc nightmare

>>745955749
that'll be $1500 please thank you

>>745955156
>1800 bucks for worse screen quality than a Quest 3, and infinitely worse quality than a Pimax
Who is this for?

>>745958285
VR mods are going to have to carry it. The problem is that some of the best titles for VR support are all janky 90s and early 00s stuff.
>>745958442
The current VR industry had the misfortune of officially entering the market after private equity secured their hold on videogames in 2008 and subsequently also lost their faith in videogames after 2011. So no gaems.
It came out after the battle for smartphone supremacy, so everyone wanted to be the next appstore and smartphones also paved the way for people to think that all-in-one phoneshit is good which has been strangling VR.
By the time it became more than an enthusiast product it was basically caked in anti-marketing and garbage design because it put its first foot into a market that was already buried 6 feet deep in an oak casket.

>>745960161
it's predicted to be 2500, and they bumped down the screens to 1600x1600

>>745958285
I don't give a shit about "VR games". I just want VR support for normal games. If there's VR interactions then great, if not then Modders can usually do the rest.

>>745955156
>plastidipped pico 4 pro will save VR

>>745955992
For $100 I would get one for the porn. I will not get one of these to wear for hours on end to play inferior games,

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>>745960161
>and infinitely worse quality than a Pimax

>>745955156
VR is a dead gimmick, and peaked 6 years ago.

>>745960885
simfags only look at paper specs, they don't count quality control, reliability or customer service

>>745960161
>worse screen quality than a Quest 3
this isn't even possible

>>745961025
Which headsets do you mean?

>>745958285
vr games have all been dogshit mobile games thanks to zuck. Recently there's been an influx of vr conversion mods made by ai, still kinda rough but they're improving. It's the only reason to consider a vr headset for gaming

>>745955749
Genuinely not sure if that's worth upgrading from a Quest 2. I just got decent internet for the first time in like 7 years, so decided to give VRChat another go. It's fucking infested with kids and foids now.
The dream has been tarnished for me.

>>745961251
pimax

>>745961313
I only owned the OG Crystal and went through 3 of them. I have the money here for a Dream Air but I'm on the fence until the new Pico announcement

>>745961436
Pico swan is going to be around 2.5k and way more focused on MR, like the samsung one. For pure VR I have a feeling it's going to be ass, the design does not look like it even has average FOV for current headset.

>>745961562
uOLED HMD FOVs are basically all the same
can only do so much with tiny screens
lens size is not the telltale factor

>>745961658
that's kinda why I'm okay with LCD for a few more years, I prefer a polished and smooth experience to a cutting-edge wonky one

>>745961946
to each his own
I can't go back to LCD, the contrast is horrible and it was a downgrade from the original AMOLEDs we had in the first gen HMDs
not to mention 2kx2k per-eye resolution in 2026 is just straight up laughably bad

>>745956000
man that's ages away

and I'm just going to lose the lottery and have to wait til 2027 like with the others anyway

>>745961658
70mm+ PD and 130°+ FOV is what's more important to me
almost every resolution spec is a useless metric because most hmds compress the video signal over usb or wifi

>>745962161
>130°+ FOV
there isn't really anything that gives that properly without terrible distortion profiles so good luck
I had a Pimax 5k Super and it was fucking terrible

>>745955156
as nice as this hardware is, what's the point if no-one makes any VR content? VR porn is terrible, it's either tatted up westerners wearing too much makeup or heavily censored japanese people. There's a very small fraction of the volume and variety that you get with normal porn. VR games basically don't exist. VR movies that aren't porn really actually straight up don't exist.

No matter how good the hardware is, what are you supposed to do if no-one makes anything for it?

>>745962012
That's the price to pay for pancakes, you lose 90% of your light, and the remaining is halved if it's OLED
But at least the optics are clear throughout the fov, and way thinner.

I don't have a 5090 so 2160x2160 per eye with some supersampling will already use a good chunk of my ressources, at least with foveated streaming I can actually have a clear image where I look

>>745961946
There's no comparison between the best LCD and current uOLED headsets.

>>745955156
Do you understand that for VR to succeed they have to come up with a generational game that is specifically designed for VR? We might as well get hit by an asteroid before that happens.

>>745962130
2 weeks is nothing you neet
and they have like twice the units they had for the machine despite VR being way less interesting, it won't take that long to get one

Op is a fucking moron and anyone who participated in AWE 2026 Saw all the new prototype headsets coming out next year that make the steam frame look like an outdated piece of shit. There's even on who created its kickstarter already and the thing only fucking weighs 93g.

>>745962393
or a generational VR anything. It needs something so good that people will jump on the medium for it. There's nothing like that on the horizon

>>745962421
They really have more units? They fuckin better man, I didn't really care about losing the machine lottery since I have a PC anyway, but there's no real substitute for a frame

>>745962427
>ultralight kickstarter headsets
lol
https://x.com/fleabane_haru/status/2091417824984195329/en

>>745962469
60k estimated, compared to 30k for the machine
(just in NA, the rest doesn't report shipments)

>>745962474
Don't @ me you fucking luddite freak, I actually was there at AWE 2026. Cellphones as we know them are about to become obsolete and I'm going to piss on the market's gravestone when normies slowly wake up themselves to catch onto what I'm already knowing in 2027 by 2030. You're done, freak.

is demand for this thing going to be really high? Demand massively outstripped demand for the Controller and the Machine. Seems like a bad sign and indicates it'll happen again for the Frame

>>745955920
neat
thanks

>>745962564
Why , what did you see?

>>745955156
I was going to buy this and finally get into VR when I expected it to cost 650-700 dollars. Now that's it's going to be over 1k I've just accepted VR is dead and it's not coming back in any gaming form, the closest it'll get will be some minigame shit on AR glasses.

It's a shame because this was the leap that AAA gaming needed to stay fresh and exciting but the whole thing was fumbled.

>>745962564
By 2030 we're probably all dead from AI, that's way too far out to matter

>>745962568
I think this has the lowest demand of the 3 new steam hardware, and it seems to have the highest launch stock >>745962545
Even in NA people in wait-list are already getting order emails, we're all going to make it bros

>>745955156
VR require creativity and innovation from the game industry to take off, so it's never taking off.

>>745962778
(order emails for the machine I mean)

>>745962615
There's a whole new chip coming out that is ultra low power and is capable of driving 6DoF slam with hand tracking that will be used in a wide array of tethered solutions where the compute will either be on a brick you carry or your streaming device, dropping HUGE amounts of weight from the displays themselves. It's so good that AR replacing cellphones will enhappen. Best part is the cost is ultra cheap too, most of these devices coming out will be around 700 usd with 90 degree fov minimum and micro-oled displays with much higher resolutions than anything currently out on the market right now. Which is fantastic if you don't give a shit about standalone and just want something you can have on your face all day, replacing your traditional glasses. The only thing stopping me from using virtual monitors already with my quest 3 is rough 720p quality resolution from reprojection and the bulky nature of the device.

>>745962320
There's a lot of flat game support now with mods, it's not going to be the same as full VR but it's not bad playing real games in 3D with some hand controls.

https://pcvrcentral.com/mods

I want a HP Reverb with 4k OLEDs.

>>745962856
My MeganeX is a like a 1080p desktop when running at 5500x per eye, which is around 50PPD in the centre. I can see the desktop in Steam as good as I can see the monitor Infront of me when I remove the headset

>>745963479
lol

>>745963872
Why? Very light and comfortable. No bullshit extras. Just start SteamVR and it works.

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I hope Knight of Fiona will have good player base. Release in 2 weeks. It's something I have been waiting for 2 years because all the VRMMOs were dead when I got my Quest 3.

I just want a decent headset to play truck simulator with that doesn't ask me to sign in to a Facebook account (I don't have or want one)

>>745964314
yeah that's the rub at the end of the day. Facebook are just so icky. Their uncool stank has set VR back a decade.

>>745964314
>>745964586
Didn't they remove the facebook account requirement for a long time already?

>>745964764
>Didn't they remove the facebook account requirement for a long time already?
Yes. Now you need a totally different and completely unrelated Meta account.

>>745964959
Correct.

>LCD displays again.
Never, thanks.

>>745965395
this
I don't need more than 72Hz, a bright display, or a modern fov if I can just good BLACKS

VR is so much hassle to setup I think that's whats holding it back I own a VR headset but the idea of putting it on and dancing around after work is so repulsive to me

>>745964201
>VRMMOs
sounds satanic, imagine grinding in VR, Lord have mercy

>>745964201
VRMMOs just can't really exist
there's been quite a few that tried over the years but none of them ever hit more than double digit playercount other than maybe at launch

>>745964201
vr chat only works because an excess of almost 90% of the player base is just the roblox crowd on desktop mode or facebook

>>745965528
Really? I'm taking a break rn to drink a bear because I got my ass raped in RE4VR but as far as the logistics is concerned I just need to keep the headset and spare batteries charged and whenever I want to play it's put headset on and hit play.
I do have an empty 2 by 2 meter space right behind my desk so I admit it's super low friction in my case.

realistically, I'd only use it to try and see if there are more interesting forms of porn on it
I tried a couple games with it at cons and it never felt like an experience I want to shell out for

>>745967356
there's some lightfield stuff with Braindance, no idea how good it is

>>745966279
There are now gorillions of questies. It could work. Too bad that they don't advertise it anywhere.

>>745969474
the questies are mostly children playing gorilla tag, I don't think there's a viable pipeline to convert them to other games

>>745955156
Can it run the non-castrated version of VRChat in standalone? If not, it's pointless.

>>745955409
>free operating system
already better than all of Meta products

>>745969542
They aren't children for long and then they want something better than Gorilla Tag.

>>745970160
they'll just boot up fortnite on the computer

I was thinking about getting food instead.

>>745966120
For me it sounds like good time. And I'm going to make a melee guy so I have to play standing. Maybe it will do good for my health too.

>>745970372
i'm slightly surprised fortnite has not attempted to make a VR mode of any kind yet.

who gives a fuck? VR hasn't released a game that interested me since Pavlov and Alyx, it has been literal 5 years of nothingness
Fuck VR and fuck you faggots *fards and shids all over your thread*

>>745955156
They can do whatever they want, but when the most well known VR game is a game where fat furries walk around looking for kids to groom it’ll never erase the stigma of VR

>>745966279
>VRMMOs just can't really exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTSoR9WUCr4

>>745973298
Anthro Heat

>>745973298
Can you do that to me in vrchat?

>>745973298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWyvB6L-pKU
VR's only use

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I have a 5070ti and i cant get VRC to stay above 40FPS in a lobby of people.

What optimizations do i need to do? Is my oculus too old?

>>745955156
So how many scams will it be before faggots stop thinking "ok, THIS will be the thing that kicks VR into mainstream. FOR REAL this time!" This is Star Citizen levels of delusion.

>>745976473
get a better cpu, ideally a x3d
vrchat is cpu bound

>>745976473
You need to block people with shit avatars. You literally cannot buy a computer powerful enough to run VRChat smoothly if you have shitty avatars in your instance.

>>745955156
FEAR VR soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJ5gq9-BtI&

>>745955925
teletubby wouldnt say this

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>>745962320
the point is turning flatscreen games into vr. doom 3 was one of my most memorable experiences.

>>745955575
>Listening to Tyler McNigger

>>745977043
>>745956493

>>745977026
Needs manual reloading

>>745977026
how easy are flatscreen conversions now? do they feel sloppy or genuinely high quality

>>745977415
felt better than the original to me. iirc in the OG you couldnt do flashlight and weapon at the same time.

>>745955156
>It will save VR
I've had VR for eight years and I genuinely believe VR gaming is dead.

>All the best games are still games that came out 7'ish years ago
>Only a small handful of AAA titles for VR, even less if you're not in the Zuccsphere (pretty much just Alyx)
>All new games coming out follow the same formula of tech demos and sub-two hour games designed for replayability to justify the game only being two hours
>VR Porn Games, which you think would be the saving grace for VR, are also dead. It's just VAM and more tech demos.

All that said I still think VR is worth it if you haven't tried it. Just don't spend $1000+ on a headset and find something cheaper to use, even if it's a refurbished Index or a used Quest.

>>745977415
Majority of them are slop. But the good conversions like Half Life 2, FEAR, RE7, Alien Isolation and System Shock are incredible

>>745977648
there's no way it's dead for good. The people who were only using VR as a buzzword to bait investors into thinking they were on the first floor of the next big thing have moved on to AI, but the people who actually care about VR are still working on VR shit and selling to VR enthusiasts

>2160x2160 resolution per eye
>micro-OLED displays
>90Hz+ refresh rate
>120°+ horizontal FOV
>eye tracking
>face tracking
>hand tracking
>6DoF positional tracking
>inside-out tracking
>full-color passthrough
>stereo RGB cameras
>depth sensor
>IR illuminators
>spatial mapping
>real-time room scanning
>automatic play-space detection
>low-latency mixed reality
>dynamic occlusion
>integrated microphones
>spatial audio
>open-ear speakers
>Wi-Fi 7
>Bluetooth
>USB-C
>wireless PC VR
>standalone operation
>high-end XR chipset
>8GB+ RAM
>128GB+ internal storage
>removable face gasket
>adjustable IPD
>prescription lens support
>lightweight frame
>balanced weight distribution
>active cooling
>2+ hours battery life
>quick charging
>wireless controllers
>controller-free hand input
>haptic feedback
>full-body tracking support
>virtual monitors
>persistent AR windows
>room-anchored interfaces
>real-world object detection
>environment-aware AI
>voice assistant
>real-time translation
>spatial notifications
>high-quality pass-through cameras
>VR and MR support
>PC desktop integration
>wireless game streaming
>basically a full computer inside a headset
>but small enough to actually wear
>and not look completely ridiculous
Surely someone hasn't already made this

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>>745977962
you're literary despairing pic related 1:1
Basicity a Steam Frame pro

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>>745977834
>the people who actually care about VR are still working on VR shit

Maybe on the hardware side, but why have we not had a single big hit VR title since Alyx?
I don't wanna be a doomer because I like VR but it doesn't matter how good the hardware gets if the software and games continue to be stagnant.
You can't keep pumping out better and fancier headsets when the most played games are still stuff like Beat Saber which came out in 2019.

>>745978289
yeah I mean I'm with you on how underwhelming the content landscape is. Valve not making something for the Frame is pretty lame, you'd think they would have the money and resources to contribute something

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>>745955575
>Tyler said

>$1600
If someone can make a compelling argument for why I should get this over a meta quest 3 for $250, then I'll consider it.

And no, "zuck spyware" isn't an argument.

>>745979186
it's more powerful, has eye tracking, and has better connectivity

>>745979186
It's a linux computer for your face. If that's not interesting to you, then don't get it.

>>745979186
>zuck spyware
It totally is.

>>745979232
It's marginally more powerful and only has Black and White passthrough. It's DOA for gooners.

>>745979389
>marginally
You might want to actually look at the specs properly anon

>>745979332
Do you have an android or apple phone? Are you using chrome? Are you using a public ISP?

>>745976946
There was a tinky winky plushie that would say "I got a gun", "fatty fatty", "get out big cock", and "bite my bum". There was also a po plushie that would say "faggot faggot" and "bite my butt".

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>>745979432
I did Anon.

>>745979623
that processor in the frame is significantly more powerful btw, look at the detailed specs for each on qualcomm's site: TL;DR it's around 100% faster multicore perf. and 40% faster graphical performance. Plus, it has double the ram with much higher bandwidth (30% greater bandwidth)

>>745979605
i missed out on my childhood..

>>745979930
From what I have read it is about 20-30% more powerful. Not sure if it would make any difference in the typical VR games anyone plays. Everything else is either a sidegrade or downgrade like no rgb passthrough. And of course it's going to be like 8x more expensive.

>>745955575
Can Valve really not just shoulder the cost (for free) and save VR gaming like they did for PC?

He can't part with just one superyacht?

>>745980687
>From what I have read it is about 20-30% more powerful.
Well you read wrong. Its processor and RAM is a massive improvement, plus it has wifi 7 support with included wireless adapter, paired with foveated streaming it'll be miles better for PCVR. I personally could not give half a shit about passthrough, I played with it for a couple hours on a quest 3 and that's it, it doesn't matter for games compared to eye-tracking.
I just worry how expensive it'll be as valve's pricing is hot dogshit, but objectively it is a better-specc'd product.

>>745980789
They can but there's really no reason to. /v/ keeps saying GabeN wants more people on Linux and Steam and the hardware is just a means to an end, but clearly they don't want to take a loss either. If you actually put together a parts list of steam machine parts, it comes out cheaper than the machine itself. Even if you order more SFF parts, it's still only a bit more expensive so Valve clearly isn't interested in selling anything below at cost.

>>745980908
>Well you read wrong
Every single source I read is saying that. I think I'll trust tech reviewers over some Anonymous on 4channel.

And regarding pass through, it's important to me and a lot of other people since VR porn is a big reason to get it. It may not be important for you, and that's okay, but we'll skip. Similar to how the steam machine's SFF is pointless for most people, but for some it makes a nice display piece.

The HP Reverb 2 keeps winning....

>>745981090
>Every single source I read is saying that.
Which sources are those?

>>745980959
If the small form factor is what makes the steam machine more expensive, then aren't they selling it below cost?

>>745981203
No, because Valve has supply chain contracts which gets them parts for cheaper when they buy in bulk. It's always going to be cheaper than consumer retail where you pay more for off the shelf items since you're only ordering 1-2 units vs that corpo that buys 1000.

>>745981305
>Valve has supply chain contracts
lol
lmao
they definitely do not, they fumbled that bag pretty hard anon. That's why it's so expensive.

>>745981359
Do you not know what a supply contract is? You buy 1000 of something you will negotiate a price beforehand vs retail where you pay whatever the MSRP set by the manufacturer is.

>>745981504
anon they straight up admitted they did not secure any contract for RAM/storage

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>>745981541
You are misunderstanding what Valve said due to lack of real world knowledge. Valve never said they didn't get any contract, just that they only secured short term contracts. Do you actually think Valve is hiring jeets driving to every microcenter and buying RAM/SSD off the shelves?

>>745981634
A month-to-month small order is not a contract.
>In an interview with Gamers Nexus, Valve engineer Pierre-Loup Griffas explained that "there's no contract" with suppliers. They state a price, and either Valve accepts it, or gets cut off.
>"Look, there's no contract; there's nothing," Griffais said. "Like, those guys... they give us a price every month, or something, and they say, 'You can buy that many, and it's yes or no.' And if we say no, then they never talk to us again."
They should have prepared a proper contract ahead of time, genuinely stupid on their part.

>>745981774
You do not know what "contract" means. The fact of the matter is buying in bulk is still cheaper than buying off the shelf.

>>745982304
>Pierre-Loup Griffas explained that "there's no contract" with suppliers

>>745982304
Buying from whatever supplier is available is NOT a contract retard, these are just spot-market orders. Plus, he fucking explained it clearly in that interview that there is no contract. The fact they weren't even sure what they were getting (wrongly stating that some units would have 2*8GB sticks and having to correct the misinfo later) shows how last-minute the order actually were as they DID NOT GET A CONTRACT WITH ANY RAM SUPPLIER.

Anyone know if the index controllers will work with it or not?

>>745977026
autists have doom 2016 VR mod in production

>>745984389
nah way too fast paced, doom 3 worked because it was doom 3, you could even argue that it works better as a vr game than a flatscreen game.

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>>745955156
As someone with a Beyond 2, is it even worth picking one of these up when they come out? I'm a bit behind on its specs.

>>745976473
Avatar culling is your friend. Also, seriously, change your shield and avatar display settings. Take the time to boot up VRC on desktop mode, and comb through every setting. It sucks, but you have to optimize that shit for your system. Retards on VRC play with unoptimized slop models all the time, and it causes even the most powerful GPUs to kneel.

>>745984805
No. It's shit. A HP Reverb will have better image quality

>>745984805
really depends desu
a lot of people I know hate the beyond so much they returned it and are still waiting for the frame
it's not oled, has a slightly lower resolution per eye, but it's 144Hz (and it can actually reach it at native res... fuck you bsb), has big lenses so you don't need to be extremely close to have a good fov, reportedly has quite a bit less glare
it's wireless, which is really down to personal taste since some people really don't want a wire or lighthouses, while others will never accept anything but displayport. The foveated encoding lets it use the bitrate for what you're actually looking at so it should close the gap quite significantly
it's way more comfortable than the beyond since it's light, balanced and the strap and gasket are actually well designed
and eye tracking doesn't need you to sign an agreement saying you let them use all your eye tracking data for training

>>745985378
>fresnel
kill yourself

>>745955156
It will go the way of 3D.

>>745985546
>wireless
lol

leashedfags are the crtfags of vr

>>745986049
Imagine playing VR at 2000x2000 resolution. lol

>>745986337
Imagine playing VR at 72Hz. lol

>>745986658
Who does that?

I'd rather play higher resolution in VR than higher frame rate, especially on a wireless headset where higher frame rate actually means even lower image quality.

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>$1500
>save vr
you can cry all you want about zuckerberg exploiting grandmas and unattended toddlers wasting money on facebook games but he has done more for vr than anyone else
he made it accessible, with the quest 3 you can spend $350 and experience vr, with valve's headset you need to spend $1500 on top of having a high end computer to run the games
without the meta quest 3 the vr userbase would be less than half of what it is today

>>745979450
You don’t know anything about privacy.

>>745987745
>$1500 (source: tyler mcnigger)

>>745986728
bsb2 is 75Hz for native

>I'd rather play higher resolution in VR than higher frame rate
completely retarded

>>745988178
and dream air SE (normal actually goes to 90Hz which is at least higher than the absolute lower limit of 72Hz)

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>>745988178
this is the cope they come up with btw

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>>745955156
Colour pass through cameras, mixed reality are essential for VR to be it's own platform.
By going with black and white 2021-era cameras, they are limiting the device to being a monitor replacement.
Fighting waves of enemies in an IRL environment of your choosing is the raddest fucking shit imaginable if you're in shape, really disappointed I'll have to stick with meta if I want to keep having this.

>>745981096
>The HP Reverb G2 keeps winning....
It honestly does if you want something that "just werkz" and don't care about being tethered. The Frame simply won't be enough of an upgrade for me to switch.
>>745985378
>A HP Reverb will have better image quality
Not with that tiny sweet spot. But otherwise the Frame displays are nearly the same resolution and only improve on refresh rate.

>>745961308
> It's fucking infested with kids and foids now.
>Nervous-acting foid doing "the anime voice" approaches you to ask a brain-dead question
>4 seconds later her accomplice sooner retard who's streaming for probably 4 people interjects to imply you're a pedo for even responding
>He has a 2nd accomplice dressed like a cameraman and he's doing a Chris Hansen on you for his audience

Absolute state of VRchat is insane

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>>745982662
Yes Anon, I'm sure buying 1000 SSDs will be the same price as off the shelf in microcentre.

>>745989441
Best way to ruin normies days on VRC is tell them that you dated a 20 year old as a 30 year old. Age gaps mindbreak these retards and think they can put you in jail for a legal consenting relationship.

>>745988013
Do you? You think making a burner FB account is somehow worse than giving all your data to Google?

>>745989509
>what is spot market vs futures market
Also you're extremely naive if you think bulk orders of RAM during a crisis would be any cheaper at all.
Here's the thing: Consumer RAM sticks are actually CHEAPER than what companies are paying (if they didn't secure their supply via contract), why? Because of excess retail stock, that many consumers are rightfully turning their nose at since the prices are horrific. This is also why the prices of retail sticks are at a historic high with projections that it'll get worse once the current available retail stock dries up.
TL;DR - legacy retail stock is cheaper than brand new stock for businesses right now.

>>745989509
To add to >>745990484
The wholesale price (that's the price to purchase from a direct supplier, such as Micron, Samsung, or SK Hynix) is much higher than the retail price increase you're seeing. Google the cost of NAND flash wafer and DRAM chip cost increases if you don't believe me, and then compare that with the retail price increases. The wholesale cost increase is MUCH higher.

>>745990708
*technically Valve would've purchased from a spot-market broker rather than direct supply, but you get the point. I'm trying to keep my explanations simple.
Valve are effectively left with the dregs that the AI giants didn't purchase, and they're paying out the ass for it. They should've got a contract ahead of time, then maybe the Steam Machine prices wouldn't be quite as assraped.

>>745991016
They probably did but it got cancelled, since the penalty was worth less than how much more they could sell the ram than at the agreed price.
Or they simply couldn't due to the low order size.

>>745991216
>Or they simply couldn't due to the low order size.
It's probably this, small contracts are rarely granted with the big 3

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VR headsets are literally the same as ten years ago, if not worse.

>>745955920
coomerfans dot com
also the size limit on pawchieve fucking blows and trying to navigate the catalogue is impossible due to all the ai slop

I literally do not care for hardware if there are NO GAMES for VR. I haven't used my Oculus Quest 2 for 3 years now and the last true game I thought was worth buying a VR for was Alyx. Only that.

>>745992108
Even games that people typically use VR for (eg. flight sims) are a better experience with a multi-monitor setup (which will give you 4K+ and/or 480hz+ refresh rates, any FOV you want, very comfy unlike VR, etc.) VR is a failed technology imo.

>>745955156
The price and tiny market share will make it irrelevant

AI is saving VR, because nobodies that can't program but have a claude subscription and time to put on and take off a headset 1000 times can simple ask AI to make a VR mod. It's exploding right now. If you just search for "VR mod" of any noteworthy 3d game you will likely find something at some point of progress.

>>745960493
>The problem is that some of the best titles for VR support are all janky 90s and early 00s stuff.

so the good games

>>745989441
these retards go around to other games thinking its similar too
I play a much smaller, paid social game that although has some kids on it, is mostly filled with people 20+ and whenever a retard from vrchat gets the game they always go around "investigating" NSFW spaces expecting to find sinister shit and then they get really assmad when its not nefarious or weird because the userbase for this game is way more chill and essentially all adults. they're the most obnoxious faggots I come across and they've basically made up their mind before even getting any information.

>>745991216
>>745991254
To be honest though this is Valve we're talking about, not some small-time company. If Valve had treated the Steam Machine as a true console competitor aiming for millions of units from day one, they absolutely could have secured those tier-1 contracts, but instead they decided to treat the Machine as a niche product with very low volume even though they were surely aware it would have high-demand based on how successful the Deck was (compared to their projections); Valve is unusually small-scale with their hardware even though their platform has a collosal outreach. They should've taken the risk and had the balls to go big this time.

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>>745992217
Yeah I had a quest 3 for VR simracing, but it was a bad experience due to low FOV and graphics and having a brick strapped to my head for more than 1 hour gave me a headache. Went to a triple monitor setup and never looked back.

>>745992108
What game do you want to play in VR, name the first one that comes to mind, I'm serious.

>>745987745
>dumps billions into metaverse
>get fuck all out of it besides cheap headsets

He set a precedent that VR is a money sink that you do not want to invest into.

When one of the most prominent tech guys loses tens of billions of dollars doing something, that something is going to be avoided like the plague by anyone on the financial side of business.

Yeah, he was the one who hyped it up after he bought out Palmer Luckey, but after that hype there was nothing. A handful of games and billions of dollars gone. He tried way too hard to make VR into this thing that families and office workers were supposed to get into for reasons only he knows.

VR should have stayed enthusiast only and grown on its own merits. When an incredible game came out for it (that made billions instead of losing them) the opposite would have happened. Investors would be scrambling to throw money at VR instead of considering it dead.

>>745992364
This. If Valve really wanted they could have gotten better contracts/prices for components or even taken the hit and subsidize it like they did the steam deck.

>>745992464
A Dark Souls made for VR. With Fromsoft quality. Designed from the first line of code for VR, not a VR mod for existing titles. Just from the top of my head. Maybe also a non-shit co-op dungeon cralwer made with a budget.

>>745992575
They should have gone all-out.
It would've been hugely expensive and risky for them, but they have the capital to have given it a try.
Valve is too risk-averse to ever truly shake-up the PC gaming market. Microsoft is just going to win over Linux/SteamOS in the end if Valve continues to sit on their ass like this instead of taking the financial risk to go directly against them.

>>745992296
>AI can make any VRmod
so where's my DOAXVVVR?
you know it's fucking bs when the AI gives you 5 different scripts for the exact same request, and none of them actually work.

>>745992708
Why would they take a risk though. They have no saying what hardware component will the speculation bubble bloat the price of next. They are literally doing nothing and earning tons of money now. Again - why would they take any risks? People tend to forget that Valve has made many, many mistaked in the past (Steam controller, Artifact, all those PC peripherals nobody cares about), but somehow people only remember the Deck. They are a company, they don't have principles. Don't be a "fan" of a fucking company for goodness sake.

>>745992373
>simracing
driving is the worst for VR, and most people just throw up after 10sec.
It only works for Flight Combat Sims because you basically never look at the ground.

Meta Connect is a month out. Good chance of hearing about their next gen headsets. That are better than the Frame.

>>745993084
I'm not a fan. I've used a Deck, but I don't own one.
Valve should have taken that risk as a strategic move, it would secure the long-term future of their business to an open platform (as opposed to having their money printer potentially restricted by Microsoft). Look at it this way: Microsoft's gaming division WANTS to compete against Steam in the long-term, and there's no way Valve is blind to this: SteamOS and Proton existing is proof of that. If Valve secured a fixed price contract on components with high volume production of the Steam Machine, they could have caused a much bigger stir towards Linux (and away from Windows)

Right now, Valve's main revenue is highly dependent on Windows continuing to not take a slice of the pie against Steam, but it's only a matter of time until Microsoft tries to compete against Steam directly. They've been planning to for a long time and Valve knows this.

>>745993423
I don't give a shit about Zuck's headsets. Meta is a horrible company and I mean software-wise. Dealing with their BS is hell. Their fucking accounts, their firmware updates, UI, their tech problems with drivers. I'm DONE. Never again. I will never understand how the fuck Facebook got popular in the first place. I tried to use it once and thought I would kill myself.

>>745993646
That's only speculation on your part. I'm pretty sure M$ can't just dip their fingers on a storefront's income because muh OS. Microsoft tried their own storefront and what? Thry have to keep subsidizing it because people don't give a shit. Also people don't care about SteamOS. Linux gaming is what? 1%? of all PC operating systems? And that's inluding the deck. Trying to force people away from something they know can only trigger a feedback effect.

>>745993719
That's fine, but many people do care what Meta does in VR. Because the majority of people are using their headsets. And even if you don't care about Meta you have to recognize that paying double for the Frame vs the Quest 3 is a rip off.

>>745994019
Do people really care about what Zuck will promise this time? I will give you that without Quests thr VR community would be 1/5th of what it is now. But still I'm pretty sure for gaming people would rather risk it again with Valve for twice the price than give Zuck money. I'm also only guessing desu.

>>745994002
>That's only speculation
Then you have not been paying attention.
What do you think Helix is going to be?

>>745994347
I've been coming here daily for my gaming news the last 20 years and I have no idea. Please enlighten me.

>>745994465
Google Project Helix then.

>>745992676
>Designed from the first line of code for VR, not a VR mod for existing titles

Ok guess you can sell your headset then

>>745992731
next to the PC version on a shelf somewhere

>>745993117
retard

>>745994591
No, fuck you. Don't give me this "google this and that" or "read a book" argument. Don't make me make an argument for you. You brought it up, you present it here as something relevant to the discussion.

>>745995767
Nah I'm sick of spoonfeeding people ITT about things that take 20 seconds to google

>>745994840
Yeah, that was my point. There's no reason to own a VR headset since there are no good VR games made only for VR with an exception of one or two.

>>745995842
There's no reason for you to own a VR headset, because you decided on a qualifier

>>745992708
I perceive most of what Valve does as just rich people being bored. They have money, they don't really care about more, and so they do triflings. Which can be a good thing. I like my Steam Deck. But even that one never felt like it was particularly hungry. I think the Gaming on Linux thing in general is their only real drive. Their hardware is a hobby that supports that one actual passion.

>>745993117
>Redditor with no license detected
No one looks at the ground while driving.

>>745993646
M$ is already taking steps to compete against steam(OS). They have been putting a lot of work into windows handhelds and the stripped down OS is actually "good enough" for handheld gaming now.

I'll get one if it's like 1200 or less.

>>745996758
>what is VR motion sickness?
poorfag detected

>>745994334
>But still I'm pretty sure for gaming people would rather risk it again with Valve for twice the price than give Zuck money.
I don't agree and I think the steam machine is an indictment against that line of thinking.

>>745998174
You're the one who said that drivers look at the ground, not me.

>>745998273
see? you still have no idea what I'm talking about.
It's the same reason normal FPS with joystick locomotion doesn't work in VR.

>>745998497
You don't work in VR. That's what's going on

>>745955156
is there a release date for these yet?

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>>745955156
Everyone is talking about "saving VR" but no one talks about what VR games they're playing

I don't know if it's worth upgrading to it from my Index honestly. I guess it'd be nice to be able to play in another room without having to move base stations

>>745955156
VR needs two things to succeed. killer apps that feel like a VR-first experience (rather than games that just feel like you took a normal game and fit it into VR) and to be cheap enough for people to actually try it out. beat saber and half life 3 are fine, fun even, but not enough to justify the cost. VRchat feels more like the direction VR needs to go, really playing into the full escapism VR offers instead of just focusing on motion controls

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I bought a brand new PC and meta quest 3 headset two weeks ago. After setting up Steamlink, my first game was borderlands 2 VR, which, most people said was dog shit. I actually found it quite good and movement and world felt very smooth and was , it was a good first experience. I tried
doom 3 VR
Fear VR
left 4 dead 2 VR
fallout 4 VR
I've enjoyed every game immensely except for Fear VR which had choppy movement and some bugs with two handing guns (its still WIP). I've had some thoughts about why VR isnt bigger: it's held back by limited games, high barrier cost for a headset ($599 for meta quest 3) and a powerful GPU for PC VR.
Some of these problems are being addressed naturally with time as people have better GPUs and AI VR mods are porting classics. A game getting a VR mod is basically the best indicator that it was an absolute kino, which also coincides what this anon was saying >>745992358
But the devastating truth nuke is that most normies get motion sick after like 10 minutes, and most headsets are uncomfortable and they cant play for more than an hour. At best, it's a novelty experience, when it needs to be a new revolutionary and better way to play. I think this is why gaben chose their premier VR title to be half-life alyx, as a new entry to the series would have needed a way to be revolutionary/radically different than halflife 2 and VR offered that + it was a chance to "on-board" new VR users.

>>746005276
Thanks for actually posting games
Have you played any games without motion control aiming? There's a few mods I'm interested in but they're head-aim only
>except for Fear VR
FUCK that's the one game I was curious about

>>745992358
Yeh. That's why I said that it was a problem, modern VR porting is easy with Unreal Engine or even Unity if all you want is a perfunctory port, but those older games are obviously more difficult to port.

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>>746005721
>Have you played any games without motion control aiming?
I also tried out Deus ex MD with vorpx, and it just wasn't a great experience. It had head tracking but the interpolation movement on the screen felt crude at best. Coupled with a static weapon out taking up 25% of the screen space, it just wasn't a good experience. Maybe I'll try it again another time, but there are other games to play.
>except for Fear VR
To be fair, I didn't have the two hand glitch all the time, and I seemed to be able to save, re-load and it would reset the axis of rotation for two handing when it happened. It just felt choppy by being limited to the four cardinal directions of your joypad no matter where you're facing, and your body being somewhat static if you move/lean away from your starting position. I did enjoy the docks section thoroughly and I'm ready to move through ATC offices.
I think the key to having a good experience (25 hours so far) is movement where "up" on the joystick/joycon moves you forward wherever you're facing, and that is the reference "north" for all other joystick directions.

>>746005721
>thanks for actually posting games
https://rototrobot.github.io/VRMods-List/
https://pcvrcentral.com/mods?motion=full&quality=native-like

>>745993423
Phoenix is known to have dogshit fov (journos try to sell this as a "focus on diagonal fov" lmao)

>>745988446
I can run 72hz, 75hz and 90hz on my uOLED headset.
The difference between 75hz and 90hz is barely noticeable. I ran 75hz for months before going back to 90hz , just because I could.
The point was that all the Quest poors are larping that their 2000x2000 LCD headset is better than anything else because it's 90hz is comical.

what's your price limit before you tap out of Frame?
There's already zero chance of any price less than $1000 in this market, so what is your upper limit?

>>745955156
Still too big and clunky. Until they're basically just shades it won't ever be popular.

>>745956389
Parents of child should chill out, kids used to be put in a room somewhere to be noisy on their own. Overprotective of kids is recent and fucking cringe.

>>746010420
900 minimum, otherwise it won't do anything new that matters compared to my quest 3 for PCVR

>>746010420
The price of a used Pico4. It's not going to look any better or play anything better.

>>746010420
I'm on a quest 2 and I hate that bulky piece of shit and the meta software
anything below the extreme tyler doomerism of 1500 is fine for me

>>746010618
1500 is a reasonable worst case estimate in this market though
a reasonable estimate would be 1100-1200
absolute optimism would be 1000 flat and absolute pipedream would be anything below that

>>746001887
I'm gonna keep it real with you, I'm here for the HMD and 3D in my flatscreen games.
Both because I'm not a retarded investor who thinks VR needs "it's own grand theft auto" and I'm not the braying retard crying that VR will never "be there" until it can make his micropenis not small.
It doesn't even have to be like, exclusively 3D applications either.
I thought 3DSen was fairly neat and it'd be nice to have something like that for other 2D games.

>>745992497
metaverse was a complete failure but not a single soul bought the quest for metaverse
everyone buys the quest 3 because it's the standard vr headset both for standalone and pcvr, everything else costs multiple times more and/or doesn't run standalone games so it requires a whole high end computer to run steam games

>>746010762
it was still under 1k in march even though the brunt of the increase already happened by that point

>>745955749
Pretty much this. Black and white passthrough literally killed the porn potential for this. Why on earth would you get this over Q3?

>>746012204
Why does passthrough matter for porn?
The passthrough quality is trash too

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>>746013293
Oh... you do not know?

>>746013460
is that it?

>>746013912
He spent like 30,000$ on that

>>746013912
faggot

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>Your bro is jerking you off
>>>>its all in black and white

>>746014426
Quest 3 passthrough quality is so bad I'd rather go full vr for this. The only good passthrough is the vision pro's

>>745955156
the problem is you need 15K dollars for the PC to actually run the games.

>>746005276
>>746007137
I am not the anon you are replying to but I appreciate the effort you put into your posts, very insightful, thanks fren

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>>745955156
>economy crashes on release day

>>746013460
Why does the asian have balls?

Is Meta really THAT bad? Can't you just install CFW in it or something?

>>745955156
It need to be priced 500$to actually makes sense. But we know that's impossible.

>>746014426
instead of relying on shitty cameras, why don't corporations just make it so that the lenses become not opaque when you activate pass through? Have it become literally normal AR glasses or something

Yes, I know that I am genius, please subscribe to my blog.

>>746017302
The current version of Horizon OS is actually pretty good now that they removed the Worlds shilling.

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>>746017302
Yes.
I'm not even shitting you, I have a Quest, I would happily pay 3x as much if it means I don't have to deal with their software and can uninstall Quest software on my PC. It's that bad. It's genuinely that fucking bad, I want my time back.

>>746017809
kill yourself chinkshill

>>746014595
Highkey, made for PC VR games are a rarity now, you can run the recent releases on a GTX 1080 with room to spare. Anon, the VR library is all Quest ports now.

>muh passthrough
Nigga just remove your headset. Mixed reality is a meme for normalfags anyway.

>>746018382
True. People talking about passthrough and MR are a very vocal and tiny minority.

However, Valve not having RGB cameras is cheaping out. This is 2022 mid range hardware being shipped at a premium in 2027.

>>746017809
>wish.com makes an apple vision pro

>>746018382
Nah fuck you you gay. Few times I'm manipulating my desktop or watching anime on a floating screen I bless zucc for giving us depth accurate color passthrough.

When will niggers get it through their fucking head that nobody is going to wear shit on their fucking head

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>>746018917
It's pretty fucking popular now.

>>746018917
The gacha thread for browns is two blocks down.

>>746018519
the problem with RGB cameras is they require more light to function
and I have not been able to quash my anxiety of standing in my room naked with the lights on

>>746019005
>Nintendo Switch 2 sales have hit 23.68 million units shipped worldwide
>Quest 3 barely scraping 1 million units in 8 months after launch
Pretty popular my ass.
XR fans are in a bubble.

VR is only good in concept
It serves only as a tool to increase immersion at the cost of adding more complex control, but there's 3 problems with this:
1: immersion isn't a requirement for a video game to be good
2: immersion can already be achieved with current hardware
3: most gamers prefer to have as few boundaries/interfaces between them and the game as possible, for example it's more efficient to have a single button to achieve an action than a gesture or motion, especially in competitive games where reaction time matters

VR only excites people who think realism is the end goal of video games and porn, and these are the kind of people who goon to AI porn all day

>>746020287
A good VR game isn't trying to be realisitc but is trying to feel convincing. It's why people still jerk off Alyx and Beat Saber while Boneworks is aging like milk.

>>745955156
It's been what, 10 years? Can you touch a titty in vr or is haptic feedback still not a thing?

>>746020386
That's a good example, Half Life Alyx is not a better game gameplay-wise than its non-VR predecessors
As for beat saber, the entertainment factor is the wii-mote swinging rhythm game and the ability to put your on songs, it doesn't actually need or benefit from a headset.

>>746020537
I mean technically Sound Voltex doesn't need an arcade machine or custom controller, but lo and behold. You're thinking about subjective human immersion as a very utilitarian thing. Go on far enough and humans don't need entertainment, why play games?

Alyx is objectively a worse game than HL2. I enjoyed it more than HL2.

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>>745955749
Black and white passthrough is shit since the best application of VR stuff is actually MR programs like Pianovision and Paradiddle.

>>745984756
doom3 was supposed to be the first VR game, but they were too early and focused on 3d monitors

>>746020287
It adds 6DoF cursors and camera control, which is a massive improvement over relying on just two analog sticks for everything.
The average current game is gimped due to the fact that current mainstream controllers are still mostly stuck in the early to mid 90s, so games are overly simplified and mostly play themselves.
VR improves on the precision and versatility of mouse and keyboard instead of continuing to sacrifice gameplay just so that the game can be played on a console controller that only really has 4 buttons available at a time.

>>746013293
>Why does passthrough matter for porn?
>he has no idea how the VR world looks scaled to your furniture

>>746017809
>launch cancelled
What now, chinkshill?
https://x.com/VRARWorld/status/2091832726106366197

>>746021104
and Zuck always delivered

>>746021081
nta, you make some good points but
>due to the fact that current mainstream controllers are still mostly stuck in the early to mid 90s, so games are overly simplified and mostly play themselves.
Lets not pretend VR games are balanced for anyone with above room temperature IQ.

>>746020634
No, I didn't say that.
I accept that sometimes clunky arcade hardware is part of the shared arcade experience, it's charming and fun. But they are made that way to make the button inputs more simple and game-specific, which is the opposite to VR. Immersion is a completely different subject. I think it is valuable, but like I said, it's already achievable without VR. You can play Witcher 3 or Half Life 2 or Halo 3 and be immersed in the world, characters and story. Immersion and suspension of disbelief are already achieved, the headset is not needed. The fact you enjoyed Alyx more despite realising it's a worse game is because you enjoyed the toy you got to play with. But after you get bored of that toy, you don't keep it on when you go back to using the computer normally. You naturally prefer to have one less interface between you and your computer actions.

>>746021081
Yes, more complex control options sounds cool, but you're being disingenuous if you're going to pretend that games only have 4 buttons without VR. On PC we have entire keyboards and we don't need all the buttons. Nobody has more trouble aiming a cursor than they would aiming a gyro remote. The additional control options introduced by VR are a gimmick, equivalent to those mock-truck set ups and tank set ups. It's a fun toy, but after the gimmick loses its novelty, people often say "okay, I actually want to play games now" and they take off the headset and play games freely without the obstruction

>>746021612
>The additional control options introduced by VR are a gimmick
Moving your hands in 3d space is a gimmick? But I've done that all my life

Phoenix rumors are getting wild. Light oled headset with a compute puck. Face and eye tracking for $800!

>>746021871
And a garbage fov

>>746020537
>As for beat saber, the entertainment factor is the wii-mote swinging rhythm game and the ability to put your on songs, it doesn't actually need or benefit from a headset.
Anyone who says that exposes how little experience they have with these games. Dance games benefit from a headset hugely because without the headset you have to keep looking at the tv in front of you and you can't dance properly when you're locked onto a tv screen. You have to stand far away from it to have the space to dance too
Not to mention the fact that hitting notes that are flying directly towards you is much more intuitive than everything that flat dance games tried to do.
And on top of that Wii controllers barely actually fucking work, which is a detail that zoomers who never played Wii just can't seem to understand

>>745992364
>aiming for millions of units
the Deck only sold a few millions after YEARS
the Machine is even more niche, because "everyone has a PC already"

>>746021104
Lol what happened? Frame scared them? Or they realized noone would buy a $2500 when they can get the Frame and soon the Meta Phoenix for $1200?

>>746021934
Quest 3 has one of the best FOV's. I imagine Phoenix will use the same optics.

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I don't play gun games unless there's a 6DOF VR mode available, that's how good aiming and shooting shit with my hands is

>>746022586
The form factor pretty much guaranteed it won't. They also want a high PPD for productivity and media consumption rather than gaming purposes so the only way you get this in a 2.5K headset is by making the FOV much smaller. Rumour is it's 90, smaller than Quest 2 even

>>746022837
The Quest 3 thickness is because of the main board, cooling, battery. With a compute puck you only need a small daughter board to plug in the cameras and tracking. Should make the headset way smaller.

Until it stops being a thing attached to your face, it'll never be more than a small gimmick.

If we can get some sort of AR contact lenses that can go full VR, it's never going to take off.