>individualism doesn't work because... because it just doesn't, chud! you see, I defeated your whole ideology by portraying your society to be crumbling and decaying in my own fictional story!
individualism only works when there's just one individual, obviouslydon't be silly
>>745960827why didn't the system shock remakes fix the horrible gameplay? what was the point?
>we're now going to get daily Bioshock threads because some past-prime, troon-friendly e-celeb made a new video on itOh joy.
>>745961369the mandalor? isn't he a certified chud and friends with sseth, the n-word sayer?
>>745961638sseth and mandy both hang around with trannies newfren
>>745959472collectivism is the only system that inherently culls the human ego which is vital in keeping societal stability.
>>745959472I don't see the appeal of it, we live in a society and a society should lift each other up. We're not bestial animals, we're civilized human beings and it only makes sense to look out for each other.
>>745961807>sseth hangs around with tranniesall these years of degenerative gooning and drug abuse leave the mark I guess. at least he left some good videos behind
>>745962560But then people will over breed. Maybe you can share the pie now, but can you share it when there's 2x more people? How about 3x? Resources are finite.
Objectivism is not the same as individualism.
>>745961369I was wondering why bootlickers were spamming these threads
>>745962984I'm sure our problems are totally due to overpopulation rather than a select handful of individuals owning (read: stealing) a comically disproportionate amount of resources
>>745963223There's a difference between stealing and taking anon.
>>745963098I was always confused by the "bootlicker" thing you like to say. Didn't people in soviet union quite literally had to bootlick the communist party to stay alive? Like, what are the boots I am supposedly licking? Elon Musk's?
>>745962984overpopulation is from leeches not having to worry about resources.
>>745963785Yes, and I was referring to the leftists spamming
>>745963576All multimillionaires and above steal by definition.
>>745964267From who?
>>74596450599% of the people on the planet including you.
>>745964505Supposedly they steal value that rightfully belongs to the workers i.e. they don't share profits with the employees enough. However, the vast majority of people do virtually nothing at their jobs and employers are actually benevolent, and employment is a form of UBI. So it's the other way around, the overlords are already sharing quite a lot.
>Supposedly they steal value that rightfully belongs to the workers i.e. they don't share profits with the employees enough. However, the vast majority of people do virtually nothing at their jobs and employers are actually benevolent, and employment is a form of UBI. So it's the other way around, the overlords are already sharing quite a lot.
>>745964778post-ironic shitposting is still shitposting
I really should replay bioshock. I doubt the game has aged that badly.
>>745959472Bioshock doesn't claim that individualism/ libertarianism is bad. In fact, the main problem with rapture seems to be that Ryan compromised on his ideals and became a dictator to prevent himself from being victimized again, like he was previously at the hands of the soviets.
Look up Ayn Rand's early life section kek
>>745959472A healthy society needs a mix of both individualism and collectivism. We are social tribal creatures, and we are all special. Apes unique. And also, apes together strong. Come on guys.
Everything was fine in Rapture until Ryan threw his own ideals out the window because he was mad that Fontaine was beating him at his own game
>>745959472I'm not even an Ayn Rand guy but the game makes such a massive strawman out of her ideas it's genuinely not even worth engaging with it on a writing level. I still like the gameplay and enviroments, it holds up great.
>>745965648Rand's ideas are easy to pick apart because a woman can never form and commit to a coherent philosophy.
>>745965296Same as Karl Marx, except she grew up under communism while he was rich under capitalism
>"individualism is bad">look inside >the problem was hypocrisy and running an autocratic cult It's like you straight up didn't play the game.
>>745965320Everyone agrees, even the most individualistic ancapstani autist imaginable, the thing is, the collectivist part needs to be in common agreement, ie I need to agree which society I want to be part of, having state and federal laws that I have to follow even if I disagree with them is a form of coercive collectivism. I don't agree with tariffs nor did I vote for Zion Don but I'm suffering from it.
>>745965938Yet tariffs are worker protections and every other country in the world has them. And the only other candidate was zionist Biden who was even more collectivist (as all leftists are)
>>745965775If they're so easy then why the game had to strawman those ideas, the story is like>dude no gods no masters no govt will turn everyone into drug fiends and the owner of the land into a dictator lmaoIt's almost as retarded as the who will build the roads argument
>>745965912>the problem was hypocrisyHypocrisy came about because pure individualism didn't work. Ryan had to compromise or he'd lose his power even earlier. Dogmatism doesn't work if there is a shred of ego in play.
>>745966058I never asked from any protection from the government, and the fact that every other country also does it is not a excuse, the USA got rich because it wasn't like the other countries, the revolutionary war started because of this stuff.
What exactly do you do for society other than paying taxes? You work for yourself, save money for yourself, buy stuff for yourself, create stuff (90% of people don't but whatever) to fulfill your creative needs. Most people don't even give pocket change to homeless people they pass through on the street.
>>745965938>Everyone agreesi wish
>>745966159Ryan's refusal to support people directly led to Fontaine running a lucrative smuggling ring and getting support from others. That's not a strawman, that's a feature of the ideology. It's almost as if someone's real enlightened self-interest comes from supporting their community and thus getting support in turn.
>>745966336The US always did this you larping tranny
>>745966349I know this is a common insult, and I don't mean it that way. But it sounds like you've never had a job. Because if you did, you wouldn't ask that silly question. It's a very late teens still in school kind of question.
>>745959472Its really not that deep, rapture failed because of the human condition, the desire to be on top. Ryan started off truly believing his own shit, but over time began to break his own rules in service of himself, as anyone would.
>>745959472Individualism doesn't work because without adequate enforcement you get a bunch of commie "individuals" working together to undermine the whole system, and while most normies are too busy worried about getting their day done, some (((Fontaine))) is unionizing to fuck everything up
>>745966748Care to elaborate? Because I do have a job, you're probably gonna insult me next but I wanna know what you mean.
>>745961638Sseth and mandalore are based.
>>745965938That's literally every culture ever.
>>745966349>sure you give 15-20% of your income to the government>sure you pay 8% on every single transaction>sure you pay 15% of your bill on gas>sure you pay 12 bucks for the privilege of parking your car at a national park>sure you pay 1% of your homes value EVERY SINGLE YEARAnd you're trying to say we don't tithe enough? >give more money to the homelessIs something I'm sure more people would do if A) homeless weren't using that money to get high and B) tomorrow wasn't so uncertain
>>745967060Okay I actually agree with you, I'm talking about people who defend collectivism so much yet they don't really care to contribute to anything other than being forced too, and would probably enjoy being told to contribute less.I know some people who say "I would be happy to pay more taxes to help the poor", nigga you can donate right now to organizations helping the poor but don't do it, what they actually mean is they want other people to do it.
>>745965912Bioshock wasn't about individualism, it was about libertarianism. Rapture fell because all it takes to to ruin a libertarian utopia is one scheming asshole to start falseflag NAP violations that lead to a civil war.
>>745967241Oh, my bad Im not the other guy and jumped in a bit late. Have a good day bub
>>745967060>thinks his money goes to the homelesslollmao
>>745966829Because when I sell products to someone, the product doesn't vanish into thin air. It gets used. When the butcher sells the meat, it gets eaten. The butcher gets money, and the buyer gets to eat the meat. Both are better off. We are all helping each other. That's what a society does. We are all working for each other, even if we are only motivated for ourselves. It's not just taxes. People like to focus on the hecking criminals, but those are the minority. Most people are law abiding and play the game fairly. We divide knowledge across the society because one person can't know or do everything. People specialize in things. Some people are good at building houses, others are good at cooking, other people are good at teaching. Etc.
>>745964505From any tax paying citizen.Government gives them your money to fuck you over.Read upon why every single attempt at a k shaped economy failed spectacularly.Very rich people don't create anything just take and circle jerk the money among themselves.Doesn't work out so well once the plebs are dead/have nothing to give anymore.
>>745967446I never said that, Im saying so much is already taken, some in the name of "feeding the homeless", I truly don't have much more to give, particularly in that I'm also responsible for children and would like for them to have some of that money in the event that the hellscape rollercoaster continues to trend downward.
>>745959472Individualism doesn’t work because it enables evil demonic pedophile Jews who eat children to rape your society.
>>745959472if you think about it, genetically we were all the same long ago but by using the power of "individualism " we became humans and ruled over everybody else. Our planet is in disarray too. Soooooooo maybe that aint it chief
Rich people don't even pay taxes, it's individualism for them and collectivism for us.
>>745966829I used to fix computers for a living as a teenager. I did it because I needed money.One day this old man came in and said his computer was slow.He had every malware and virus known to man. I cleaned it up and upgraded the RAM. He paid me money. Later he called me back because he was so happy that I had fixed his computer. Now it was super fast and he was super happy.That's when I realized I'm not just working for myself. He actually had a problem, and I fixed it. Even if I didn't do it just to help him. I ended up helping him simply by being part of the economy. Money motivates people to solve problems for other people.
>>745965495Fontaine would have just taken over the city eventually.
>>745959472stop consuming jewish media
>>745966159There will always be a % of impoverished people in any market economy society. This is unavoidable. There are jobs that are necessary but also not lucrative, there are people that cannot hold steady or high end jobs, there are people that are just unlucky. Those people are liable to fall to addiction and be useful ammo in the hands of businessmen that make them their target demographic, trading per-individual profit for the overall control over a substantial demographic. Fontaine was able to amass huge influence through becoming the baron of the poor. The drugs just happened to facilitate and expedite his schemes.
>a place with no government, where anyone can do what they want! >okay, well I want to be in charge then, it's what I want>no you can't do that and as the leader I will make sure my rule is enforced Really truly anarchocapitalism.....
The fact that jews are pushing for some narrative should make you suspicious immediately as they literally say they only care about themselves.
>>745959472Yeah and how is individualism working now dipshit, everyone with their own podcast on their own niche circles everyone's out for their own profit, fuck off with that shit.
>>745966159I feel like the narrative had to serve the gameplay here. What else would be the result of this if not a dystopian nightmare where everyone is crazy and trying to kill you? That was the end result, the rest is an excuse to get there.
>>745968159I blame women's rights for the absolute state of society not capitalism.
Why did ryan prevent trade with the surface? That would obviously create incentive for smuggling when the only thing to eat is seafood evry meal
I think it's showing that you can have a dictator with any ideology even one that's about individualism no matter how contradictory that is.
Rapture was doomed from the start how do they expect a society to work without sunlight how economy to function without agriculture its a cool setting for games but realistically its a shit woman idea rooted from a shit woman ideology
>>745968804then in 2 they had to reinvent ryan as a character so the female antagonist (lmao) can has her reddit gotcha moment with le chain of progress. So gay
>>745968549There was trade with the surface, but it was limited to trusted merchants that wouldn't get tailed or blab about the libertarian utopia on the ocean floor full of rich people, scientists, and artists that are actively wanted for various reasons by various government entities.
>>745959472I hate collectivist ideals. Especially since they seem to favor hegelian authoritarianism. But Individualists are selfish cunts that spew their poisonous anti-human nonsense all over academia. They make life a misery.
>>745959472>claims to be an individualist >is a carbon copy of every other so called individualist>doesn't even have wealth or resources, just acts a willing slave of those that do
>Jews >Jews >Jews >Jews Shut up already there's heebery on both ends of the argument.Both extreme collectivists and extreme ancaps are overwhelmingly tiny hats or Judeophilic (Kropotkin married a Jewess, F.A. Hayek was deeply disappointed he was genetically gentile) goyim.Probably because extremism is schizophrenic.
>>745959472>Started Bioshock remaster>Reminded about it because of Mandalore>Realized that despite getting Brass Balls on 360 why I dropped it.Fucking retarded cunts who ported this game made it so you difficulty randomly gets changed to Medium from Survivor, so you can't get the achievement for it.>B-but just beat Atlus and change your difficulty last minuteNo way fag, otherwise what's the point?
>>745959472This game is one of the greats and you are a tasteless fuck if you disagree.The only things i dislike about Bioshock are:-Arrow that points where to go-A bit too linear level design for my taste-Last boss fight is shitOther than that its a masterpiece of the high order, it has immersive world, great art direction, great music, fantastic atmosphere, well-written dialogue, great characters, fun gameplay and it has creative presentation.
>>745959472Bioshock 2 as panned on purpose by critics because the story is basically the inverse of Bioshock 1 and it wasn't written by Levine. It's unironically one of the most right wing games I can think of.
>>745967246Fontaine was playing by Ryan's rules. He just did it better and suckered the floor-scrubbing pigs to work for him which ended up gaping Ryan's entire empire.
>>745972998That doesn't contradict anything I said.
>>745973191If your entire """"utopia"""" is built on the idea that might makes right, it was never a utopia to begin with and nobody "ruined" it. You could argue that the introduction of Adam is what ruined everything, but hilariously the cure would have been>fucking regulationwhich would never ever happen because>DA GUBBAHMENT TOUCHING MY FREE MARKET?????
>>745973297Holy TRVTHNVKE
>>745972474>-A bit too linear level design for my taste>it has immersive world, great art direction, great music, fantastic atmosphere, well-written dialogue, great characters, fun gameplay and it has creative presentation.Everything you praise about it is a result of the linearity and wouldn't work without it.Even the music
Posting best Bioshock game
>>745965648>find out this game was heavily influenced by atlas shrugged>the cover of the book is a golden statue like in the game>read the book and expect something like bioshock, a fantasy world whatever>it‘s literally a self insert fanfiction about muh government bad Nah, bioshock did the right thing.
